1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI on demand, Lewis, welcome to the 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: Jesus Christ Show. 3 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 4 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 3: So, I just would like to hear you talk about, 5 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 3: you know, fathers or to be the leaders of the family, 6 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 3: the nuclear family, the household, and also how that applies 7 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 3: to the larger family, the church, and if you could 8 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 3: talk a little bit about the scripture second first timoth 9 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,599 Speaker 3: to eleven, where it talks about women learning in silence. 10 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 3: Many people try to say that this only applied to 11 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 3: the church in that time. I mean, I've looked up 12 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 3: that they and they say that, well, it's ridiculous that 13 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:46,919 Speaker 3: a woman should be absolutely silent in the church. And 14 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 3: if you look up in your concordance the worst silence 15 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 3: that they use in the Hebrew or the Greek and 16 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 3: your concordance, the worst silence there doesn't mean absolute silence. 17 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 3: That you could talk about that subject, I'd appreciate it. 18 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 3: I can't stay on the phone, but I like to 19 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 3: hear what you have to say about it. 20 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 1: That's fine, that's fine, I appreciate it. This question, obviously, 21 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:13,960 Speaker 1: is one that has been argued for many, many years 22 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,479 Speaker 1: and will continue to be argued because it's not as 23 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 1: clear cut as people would like. And there are some 24 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: things that people in general, both men and women, don't 25 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: want to jump over, or no one likes to be 26 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: pigeonholed or anything like that. But there are differences. There 27 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:34,199 Speaker 1: just are. The confusion comes in the placement of equality. 28 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: The assumption is equality means you're exactly the same. No, 29 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: not true. Means that you have the same value, but 30 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that you're exactly the same. And once 31 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:48,559 Speaker 1: people get over the concept of being that equality means 32 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: being exactly the same. No one wants to be exactly 33 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: the same. No one should be exactly the same. That's 34 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: the first hurdle. A second hurdle is position. Is that 35 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: it's hard for people to stand the difference of position 36 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: versus person. In the United States, the position of the 37 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 1: president is higher above any other position. But the president 38 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: himself is a human being, is not more of value 39 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: or more equal than someone else. It's about position, value 40 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: of position, purpose of position, and so on, but doesn't 41 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: speak to the value of the individual. It speaks to 42 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: the value of the position. As far as one Timothy 43 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: two eleven, let a woman learn quietly, with all submissiveness, 44 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: I do not permit a woman to teach or to 45 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: exercise authority over a man. Rather, she is to remain quiet. 46 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 1: There are those that argue that some of this is 47 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: placement of time and things that went on during the 48 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: early Church. Some say that there were young new Christian 49 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 1: women that were sitting in the church by themselves and 50 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: would often be asking questions and causing disruptions, and really 51 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: that they were saying, hey, listen, this is something that 52 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: you deal with with your husband and your home and 53 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: not in this context. There's all kinds of hypotheticals this 54 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: is why, and this is why, and this is why. 55 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: But let's just say it is what it is, specifically 56 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: what it is. That doesn't mean that a woman is 57 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: less than a man at all. Ever, there are women 58 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:34,399 Speaker 1: of great power and information and teaching in scripture hands down, 59 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: and you can't walk away from that. You can't belittle 60 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: that or make excuses for it or any of those things, 61 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: Miriam Deborah. You can't just you know, whisk them away 62 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: and say that they didn't have value or they weren't purposeful, 63 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: or make excuses. So it's not about the value of 64 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: a woman being less than a man. But there are 65 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: certain context in which God sees that a man should 66 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: be in a particular position and a woman should be 67 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: in a particular position. Men do not give birth, nor 68 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: will they. That is one of those things that will 69 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: never be equal between a man and a woman. But 70 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: it doesn't lessen the value of a man. And really 71 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 1: the purpose of all this for God was to show 72 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 1: people to work together, to find ways to understand their 73 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: strengths and weaknesses so that they could build bonds and 74 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: relationships working together. And what has happened is people use 75 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 1: these as an excuse to not bond, to not have relationships, 76 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: or to feel less. Then if you feel less than 77 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: because of a position, you're gonna have a problem having 78 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: a job. You're going to have a lot more problems 79 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: than what you have with scripture. And there are you know, 80 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: male pastors that want to run from these things and 81 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: not want to talk about them or deal with them 82 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: in their wholeness. People are always trying to find ways 83 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 1: to excuse my words in scripture or the words of 84 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: the Father or the words of the disciples. Same with profits, 85 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: same with all of it. And thank you, but no 86 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: thank you. The problem doesn't lie with scripture. The problem lies, yes, 87 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: with interpretation and understanding of it in context, but also 88 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 1: in where you stand on this. It's not about separating 89 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 1: men and women. It's about understanding that there are going 90 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: to be places in positions in life, and that in humility, 91 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:40,359 Speaker 1: when you take on those positions, you respect them for 92 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 1: what they are and it doesn't, you know, minimalize you 93 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: you if you were not the boss. And even in 94 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 1: most companies there's always a boss above you. You are 95 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: in a submissive position. That doesn't make you less than them. 96 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: It brings order and structure to the company or business. 97 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: You do this in everything. That's the purpose of it. 98 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 1: It's not just age, and it's not just sex. And 99 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: to understand that, or to understand that there is that 100 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 1: God sees a pattern in thing or creates a pattern 101 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: for order, doesn't belittle There's many things that women do 102 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: and the whole the woman should submit to the man. 103 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: Well read on where it says and the man should 104 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: submit to the woman. There is balance in this, and 105 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: it is with great purpose, and people will be debating 106 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 1: it forever whether there should be. I've seen many churches 107 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: with female pastors and this can be just a state 108 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: of rebellion and people saying, wow that you know the 109 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: Bible didn't understand this or doesn't it And if you 110 00:06:58,240 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: get to that point, then you can just do whatever 111 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: you want. Get to the point where you just say, well, 112 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,799 Speaker 1: this was misunderstood. What have you understanding it? In context? 113 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: Absolutely important, But if something is so clear cut that 114 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: it seems prescriptive, you have to ask why and what 115 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: the purpose was, and the human purpose and the reason 116 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: why people feel this thing is because every person that 117 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: claims to want to make people equal really is talking 118 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: about why they feel superior to other people. It's not 119 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: about equality. You see activists, so called activists, really a 120 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: lot of times they are putting themselves up on a 121 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: pedestal for a reason. And there are those that are 122 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: you know, and I'm not talking that there are needs 123 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: to to fight for the underdog, absolutely, but you know 124 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: the difference, you know, the difference of the professional activist 125 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: versus somebody who's really trying to help someone else. Equality 126 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: is equality that never changes in scripts. Sure, man and 127 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: woman one hundred percent equal in the eyes of God, 128 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean positions aren't different. I say over 129 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: and over in scripture, I am one hundred percent God, 130 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: the Holy Spirit, one hundred percent God the Father, one 131 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: hundred percent God. Christians worship the Triune God. All of 132 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: us different in position and purpose depending on where we 133 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: are and what we're doing, but one hundred percent equal, 134 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:41,959 Speaker 1: and you don't see us squabbling. Jeanie, welcome to the 135 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: Jesus Christ Show. 136 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 4: Oh, thank you. 137 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: How can I help you? 138 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:46,359 Speaker 4: Oh? 139 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 3: Yes, Hi. 140 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 4: We ked a question, and the question was kind of 141 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 4: a true part question. First parting is there a difference 142 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 4: between evil and sin? And then the other part of 143 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 4: the question is as a Catholic. 144 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 5: I was born great to believe that people were born 145 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 5: with the stain of original sin, but they're born good, 146 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 5: with the tendency to do good or bad. And the 147 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 5: debate I'm having with my partner here is that people 148 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 5: are born sinful, period, They're just bad. 149 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: Yes, so you're born in a state of sin, not 150 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: because you've done something necessarily, but because it is in 151 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: the blood of human beings passed down through Adam and 152 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: Eve generation of generation. That sin is in the blood 153 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: you will sin is. Scripture says all have sinned and 154 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: fallen short of the glory of God. 155 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 2: All. 156 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: There's not one that is apart from sin except for me. 157 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: That's it. On all of mankind, So you will sin. Now, 158 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: as far as the difference between evil and sin, sin 159 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: is like the application of evil. I think of it 160 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: this way. There's a difference between knowledge and wisdom. Knowledge 161 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: is just facts and things, whereas wisdom is the proper 162 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: application of knowledge and facts and things in your life 163 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: due to experience and understanding. So sin is missing the mark. 164 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: The actual translation means to miss the mark. Sin is 165 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: a religious word that you kind of use now, but 166 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: it means missing the mark. So that means there's a 167 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: mark for you by God. That's the will of God. 168 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: That's the pattern of truth, justice, nobility, kindness, love, all 169 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: of those good things, courage, everything good is on that line. 170 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: When you step outside of that line is when you 171 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: step into evil. Evil is that which rejects the will 172 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: of God, anything that rejects the will of God. So 173 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: when you partake in rejecting in the will of God, 174 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: that's sinning, which is partaking and evil. But evil's not 175 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: a thing. It's not something. It's not something you taste 176 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: or touch or step in it is. It's not a thing. 177 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: People will question and say, well, if evil's a thing, 178 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: God created all things. Therefore God created evil. Evil's not 179 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: a thing. Evil is, it's a it's a relationship between 180 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: morally neutral things. For instance, if if you take alcohol 181 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: and you put it in the radiator, uh, it keeps 182 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: the you know, things from freezing over. That's a good relationship. 183 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: You take the alcohol, you put it in the driver, 184 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 1: and you put the driver behind the wheel and they drive. 185 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: That's a bad relationship. Same things. You can put the 186 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: good bullet made out of good metal in the good gun, 187 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:39,199 Speaker 1: and if you pointed it to your good head, there'd 188 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: be a problem. There's a bad relationship there. Therefore evil 189 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: comes in. However, you could use that gun in the 190 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: hand of law enforcement or military to protect and to serve. 191 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: So it's the it's the application of things in life 192 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: that become evil based on how they're used and the 193 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: relationship sin partakes in evil. Sin is evil, but it 194 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: is not the only part of evil. There's temptation. There's 195 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 1: all kinds of things. There can be evil temptation even 196 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,319 Speaker 1: though you don't give into it in sin. But they 197 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: certainly play a part hand in hand with one another, 198 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: and how they are applied to your life, how you 199 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: experience them. But evil is all around in the form 200 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: of temptation and the enemy's desire to get you to sin, 201 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: to do those things that are outside of the will 202 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: and the nature of God, that are outside of the 203 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: purpose and the focus of God, that are outside of 204 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: that path that God has created for you. When you 205 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 1: embark on those areas, then absolutely you are embarking on sin, 206 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: which is evil. Dennis, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. 207 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 6: Yes, good morning, money is Dennis. 208 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:57,599 Speaker 1: Hi, Dennis, how can I help? 209 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:02,959 Speaker 6: I appreciate this service. I really believe in their Lord 210 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 6: Jesus always taught us how to love, you know, the beatitudes, 211 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 6: the durable of the Good Samaritan forgives seven times seventy. 212 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 6: I just read Revelation, and I've read it before, but 213 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 6: for some reason, certainly, how shocked it was. How angry 214 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 6: and dangerous ngeful God is. 215 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: He even says he's vengeful, even says he's jealous. 216 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 6: I mean, just the torture of people. They were wishing 217 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 6: they were dead with the plagues, and they kept alive. Yeah. 218 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: A lot of people say the same thing about the 219 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: Old Testament as well, certainly that they. 220 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 6: Is God love or not? I don't know. 221 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 1: I mean God is not only love and that's where 222 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,079 Speaker 1: people get God is one hundred percent holy and righteous 223 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 1: as well, and people get them the two confused that 224 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: they're that they're somehow diametrically opposed. It's about positioning as 225 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 1: well when it comes to God. God is holy and 226 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: righteous and is love and is all just. So there 227 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: are things that God does that you couldn't do, Like 228 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: God can be jealous, and it's okay because God is 229 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: righteous and his jealousy, there is nothing for you to 230 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 1: be jealous of God. It's righteous for him to be jealous. 231 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 1: There is nothing for you to be judgmental over because 232 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: you have your own faults. That's why it points that 233 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: out in scripture all the time. However, God can be 234 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: judgmental because God is perfect, God is holy, and yes, 235 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: God is all loving. But whereas a human might get 236 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: skewed by their love like that, if you have allegiance 237 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: to someone, if you have devotion to someone like a 238 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: football team or a race, your race, or your political affiliations, 239 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: if you have devotion to those things, you'll be skewed 240 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: and your decision making. Well, God's love is pure, so 241 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: you may say you're doing something out of love, but 242 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: really there's hidden motives. If you don't punish your children 243 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: and you say that you're not punishing them under love, 244 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: that's really not helping. It's hindering. But God's perfect love 245 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: means that his justice will be perfect as well, but 246 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: it doesn't mean humans will always understand it or appreciate it. Floyd, 247 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. 248 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 2: Hello, Good morning Jesus. 249 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: Hi Floyd, what's going on? 250 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 2: Hi, I've been going through a crisis of faith over 251 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 2: the last two or three years. And three years ago, 252 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 2: I was diagnosed with kidney cancer in my right kidney 253 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 2: and I had surgery to remove it, and shortly after that, 254 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 2: I left kidney Field and I've been on kidney dialysis 255 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 2: for a year and a half. 256 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: How many times do you go? Is this every day? 257 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 2: No, it's three times a week. 258 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: You three times a week for three hours or so? 259 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, and a half hours. But I've been having a 260 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 2: lot of other health problems too, and I'm in a 261 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 2: lot of pain, and I'm overweight, and i have severe arthritis. 262 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 2: I'm very obese, and I struggled with smoking most of 263 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 2: my life. And I've been praying so much to God 264 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 2: over the last several years. I've listened to your program 265 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 2: for several years itself and finally get the courage to 266 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 2: call in. And I don't know. I'm on a lot 267 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 2: of medications too, and I sort of feel like my 268 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 2: brain isn't functioning all that well. I'm flowly losing my 269 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 2: cognitive ability and my ability to think clearly, and I 270 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 2: enter into a lot of depressive despair a lot. And 271 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 2: I've only gone to church very rarely over the last 272 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 2: couple of years, and I'm physically it's difficult for me 273 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 2: to get out of my apartment a lot, and I'm 274 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 2: I sometimes I feel like I've lost my faith in God, 275 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 2: and I don't know whether I've deserted him or He's 276 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 2: deserted me. I'm in a lot of emotional distress about it. 277 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: Well, the truth of the matter, Floyd, is when when 278 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: you're standing next to a building and it's in front 279 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: of you, and you close your eyes and you open 280 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: them and the building's gone, it's most likely you've turned 281 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: away from the building. Then the building's gone. 282 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I tried to recognize that. 283 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 1: Okay, so the likelihood of God rejecting you is slim 284 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:46,959 Speaker 1: to none. 285 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 2: I want to believe that, I really do I struggle. 286 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 2: I want so much to believe in God right now, 287 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 2: but I sort of feel like the way my brain 288 00:17:57,880 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 2: is working right now, I feel like I've lost all 289 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 2: connection with Him. 290 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 1: And that may be true. So let's find out how 291 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 1: to ignite that connection. Out of the things that you 292 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: describe that you're going through, some of which are out 293 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 1: of your control. Certainly kidney cancer is one of them, 294 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:23,239 Speaker 1: but smoking and obesity is in your control. I know 295 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:26,199 Speaker 1: that you're struggling with a lot of things, So we 296 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: need to turn that struggling into something that's very actionable 297 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: in a way of making change, because you know that 298 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: affects the way you think and how you feel as well, 299 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 1: and your mobility and your connectivity to other people and 300 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: life in general. And then that puts you in a spiral. 301 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: Plus as much as you're going to be on blood 302 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 1: pressure medicine and things like that for kidney problems, you 303 00:18:54,040 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: compound the issue by being obese. So why do you 304 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: think and is this something that have you been obese 305 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 1: for you know, since you were a kid, or is 306 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 1: there a particular time where you feel now this is 307 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: where it. 308 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 2: Kicked in or most of my life since my teenage years, 309 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 2: I lost weight a few times, but after I was 310 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 2: like on weight watchers several times, I lost it a 311 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 2: lot and I got down to a good weight. But 312 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 2: with crises and emotional problems and relationship problems and various 313 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 2: health problems over my life, I guess I've just indulged 314 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 2: myself in poor diet and surely you know, and it's 315 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 2: very easy to do. It's a coping mechanism, but it's 316 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 2: a very bad one. 317 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 1: And yeah, it's quite destructive. I mean, don't don't misunderstand. 318 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: Everybody has their own coping mechanisms that they lean on, 319 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 1: and whether it be sex, drugs, rock and roll, or 320 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:05,640 Speaker 1: you know, a McRib sandwich, it is everyone leans on 321 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: different things. And the hope is to learn and to 322 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: teach you you spiritually and physically, to lean on God 323 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: at times of pain rather than these other coping mechanisms. 324 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: So it's not about picking on you. I just want 325 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 1: as a way of seeing hope understanding that there are 326 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 1: things that you can change that you can be a 327 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 1: part of. But as you continue, for you, eating is 328 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: a sin to the form of gluttony, and so like 329 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: an alcoholic, there's not there is there's similarities, but The 330 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: biggest problem is an alcoholic can say okay, don't eat 331 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: or don't drink rather, but a human can't say don't eat. 332 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,120 Speaker 1: So an alcoholic can say, okay, no more alcohol for me, 333 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: and it's done. 334 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 2: Now. 335 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 1: There still struggles with that, but at least there's a 336 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: line where you can say, don't have alcohol in the house. 337 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: You can't very well not have food in the house 338 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:05,199 Speaker 1: or not eat, because that's equally as damaging. So finding 339 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: that place of moderation is much more difficult than other 340 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: addictions or concerns because you can't very well just not 341 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: have stuff in your house. However, there are certain types 342 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: of foods that you can ban from your life and 343 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:23,679 Speaker 1: things that are tied to studies dealing with brain issues 344 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: as well. As you know, obviously this show is not 345 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: about medicine or those things. It's about truth and about 346 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: scripture in those things. But there are studies that tie 347 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: fried foods and things like that to dementia and memory 348 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: loss and things like that that you mention that your 349 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,679 Speaker 1: brain function has been a little weird. That can be meds, 350 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: that can be other things as well. My concern is 351 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: getting you right with God, and if you continue down 352 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 1: paths of rebellion, which overeating is. It just pulls you 353 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 1: away from God. And you know what we're you know, 354 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: you talked about way watchers. People always say all those 355 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: things don't work. Yet they work if you work them, 356 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: you know, if you apply them to your life, of 357 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 1: course they work, just as overeating works to make you heavier. 358 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: So my first goal for you would would be to 359 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: take the things that you can control and control them, 360 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 1: and in doing so, you're when you owe somebody money. Yeah, 361 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 1: you've ever been in that situation where it's a friend, 362 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,360 Speaker 1: They either they owe you or you owe them, and 363 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: it gets past a certain time, and maybe it's innocent, 364 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: maybe you just forgot and now you don't have it 365 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: this moment, but it gets to a point where where 366 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 1: you stop talking to each other and you don't call, 367 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: and you don't and every time you see them that 368 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: feels awkward. So you start to avoid them because it's 369 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: just gotten too long and now it's weird. People do 370 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 1: the same thing when it comes to their own sins. 371 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 1: They you start to hide from God because of the 372 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 1: things you know that you're doing wrong or the things 373 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: that you know are causing a division between you and God. 374 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: And the relationship therein and the smoking. You know, drinking 375 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: can fall into that category. Over eating certainly can fall 376 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: into that category. And you start to hide not only 377 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 1: from other humans because you know they're going to mock you, 378 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 1: and you already know that what you're doing is not okay, 379 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 1: and you do it towards God too, and you hide 380 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:35,199 Speaker 1: towards God. And God hasn't moved. But you're not going 381 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 1: to allow God into your life, Floyd, until until you 382 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 1: find that that place where you're kind of taking these things, 383 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 1: these burdens off of your own your own body, and 384 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: then you're going to slowly start seeing God again. But 385 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:58,679 Speaker 1: God hasn't moved. It's about you seeing Him and hiding 386 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 1: from Him when you're in this place of kind of 387 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: self destruction with the smoking and the overeating. And so 388 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: I would really like you to start there, and hopefully 389 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: we will talk again, but briefly, i'd like to talk 390 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 1: about that, you know, after talking to Lloyd, the concept 391 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 1: of the things you can change in things you can't change, 392 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 1: you know, just take a time. We only get a 393 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:25,679 Speaker 1: little bit of time to talk to each other on 394 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: the program, and hopefully Lloyd will take those thoughts to 395 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: heart and think of ways for him to produce better 396 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: results in life those ways, and that part does play 397 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:47,360 Speaker 1: some role in connecting with God. A lot of those 398 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: things can be shame based when it comes to overeating 399 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: and things like that. But it's a struggle that many 400 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: people deal with. I mean a good number of people 401 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: deal with it one form or anothercluding my producer Neil, 402 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: who struggles with white. And one of the things that 403 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: he and I talk about constantly is managing things by 404 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 1: being aware of them. And sometimes it's about turning your 405 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 1: brain on to those issues and being aware of them 406 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: in a way that you you can see them. For him, 407 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: you know, go figure, there's an app for that for him. 408 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: He has an app on his iPhone and he just 409 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: makes sure he knows what he's eating. That's all as 410 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: simple as that. Every calorie is logged, not for some 411 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: sort of strange anal retentiveness, but so he's accountable, just 412 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: like a bank account accountable for calories in, calories out, 413 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: and the use of calories in his body. That's it, 414 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 1: and when he adheres to it, it's a piece of cake. 415 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: But you better believe that when you break patterns and 416 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: start to go well, I want to do what I 417 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: want to do, or it's a rough time or going 418 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,360 Speaker 1: through difficulties, I'm just going to eat what I want. Yeah, 419 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,679 Speaker 1: you will. That state of rebellion will put you in 420 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: a place of not caring or registering. It's the same 421 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: with your money. That if you treated money like you 422 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: treat your calories or other physical things, whether it's smoking 423 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 1: or drinking or anything like that, you'd be you know, broke, 424 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 1: fat and drunk all the time. It's a matter of 425 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: knowing those things and it's not going to happen overnight, 426 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: and it is a struggle and there's always work involved, 427 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: especially if you've let it go too far. You know, 428 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: if your credit's bad, or you drink too much, or 429 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: you're overweight, any of these things in their excessive state 430 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: are going to be difficult and you're going to look 431 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 1: at it and go, oh my gosh, this is too much. 432 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,360 Speaker 1: But it's not a little at a time. That's how 433 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 1: you gain the way, that's how you lost the money. 434 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: That's how you became an alcoholic. And you in reverse 435 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 1: do the same process to weed these things out of 436 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: your life, and you'll be surprised how you allow God 437 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 1: into your life more once you've done that. Thank you 438 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: so much for taking the time to join me today, 439 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 1: and remember, more importantly, in all this craziness, I am 440 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: with you always. KFI AM six forty on demand