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Speaker 1: paper at Kroger. It's an interesting reaction we have here

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Speaker 1: the minute we see things falling from the sky like

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Speaker 1: Uncle Randy's dandruff, we tend to panic. And my guess is,

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Speaker 1: I can tell you is this, remain calm. Everything is fine.

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Speaker 1: I'm in charge pending the Vice President's return. And welcome

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Speaker 1: to another Saturday afternoon. A lot of pertinent things going on,

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Speaker 1: not just the way. We have uce basketball coming up.

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Speaker 1: Airtime is at one thirty. That's what we lead into

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Speaker 1: Maybe today you see will actually beat a named opponent.

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Speaker 1: They're in Georgia to take on the Georgia Bulldogs. You'll

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Speaker 1: hear all the play by play action Dan Horde and

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Speaker 1: Terry Nelson. A lot of things that are percolating around

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Speaker 1: the world today, like this Venezuela stuff. Have you heard

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Speaker 1: about this Venezuela stuff. Trump's blowing up boats. They're drug boats,

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Speaker 1: they's cigar boats. Anything that knows anything about boating knows

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Speaker 1: So he's been blowing up these boats. The Democrats are

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Speaker 1: all upset about it, not because they care about Venezuelan

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Speaker 1: something that can get Trump, because that's all they've really

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Speaker 1: been about since twenty fifteen. Get Trump, Stop Trump, Orange

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Speaker 1: Man bad. So we got Venezuela and boats, we got

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Speaker 1: seizing of Venezuela and oil tanker to mix in with

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Speaker 1: That infuriates Democrats, not really, it's just another reason to

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Speaker 1: There's more things in there about Democrats than Republicans. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's only so many rakes you can step on and

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Speaker 1: they're on Trump about this Venezuelan drug war and how

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Speaker 1: he wants to take out Maduro and could there be

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Speaker 1: a chance that we, as the United States people that

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Speaker 1: Joshua Phillip is about to join us. You say, ken,

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Speaker 1: who is Joshua Philip. It's one of the great investigative

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Speaker 1: reporters of our time. He works for The Times and

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Speaker 1: Epic Times TV, has produced many, many different documentaries. He's

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Speaker 1: got a new one that's out. We'll talk about that

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Speaker 1: knows exactly what's going on in South America and what

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Speaker 1: this Venezuelan government is up to. So I've asked him

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Speaker 1: And Joshua Philip, how are you on this glorious.

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Speaker 2: Saturday doing well?

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Speaker 3: An interesting step to watch, I can say.

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Speaker 1: That absolutely more than interesting. What do you think Trump

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Speaker 3: So I predicted it and then it came out the

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Speaker 3: new National Security Plan and Secretary of warp Tex have

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: This is about the re establishment of the of the

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Speaker 1: Right. The Monroe doctrine has been around for over two

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Speaker 1: is not your territory. Okay, got that, But I still

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Speaker 1: don't know what Trump's endgame is with all of this

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Speaker 3: The endgame I think is power shift in power. And

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Speaker 3: you know what's really interesting with Venezuela and Maduro. Even

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Speaker 3: And there's also a government in waiting for Venezuela, which

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Speaker 3: And you know, it wouldn't mean he'd be in power

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Speaker 1: Okay, so Meduro is in power. The only people that

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Speaker 1: I think eventually you run out of cigar boats carrying

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Speaker 3: again the targeted cartel organization right, and with Maduro being

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Speaker 3: And you know, for better or for worse. People can

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm just playing through the political ramifications of

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Speaker 3: You know I wouldn't do. Okay, this is where I

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Speaker 2: And make that case.

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Speaker 3: But you know, the media these days, they just want

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Speaker 1: But it does serve another purpose here. If indeed he

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Speaker 1: we're not playing that game anymore. So maybe therein is

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Speaker 3: and he's even threatening Mexico. And I mean, I don't

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Speaker 3: But if you remember when Trump was on the campaign traw,

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Speaker 3: was part of Trump's campaign promise. And what do you say?

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Speaker 4: follow them. They call it frequency following response in science.

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Speaker 4: So the brain is always doing that, it's always trying

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Speaker 4: to find the patterns. The problem here is that it

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Speaker 4: takes you off the patterns of life. The natural rhythm

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Speaker 4: of the earth is seven point eight hertz frequency, so

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Speaker 4: when you think about that, that's.

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Speaker 1: Seventy eight beats per minute.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, Now when you get up and goes higher ranges,

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Speaker 4: that's why it's so distracting.

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Speaker 1: There's another song on this. You may not know this,

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Speaker 1: but at one time this radio station played music. It's

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Speaker 1: a fifty thousand one radio station, Big signal all across

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Speaker 1: the Midwest, and somebody that got their start in their

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Speaker 1: careers singing on this radio station was Andy Williams. He

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Speaker 1: was from right now in Cincinnati. It's the most wonderful

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Speaker 1: time of the year.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 1: I listen to that song, doctor, I don't know what

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Speaker 1: it does to you, but I mean, it's just uplifting

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Speaker 1: and it's great. But you're telling me that if I'm

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Speaker 1: listening to that song at two hundred and one point

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Speaker 1: sixty three beats per minute, which I suppose that that

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Speaker 1: was your heart, your entire body beyond overdrive. But the

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Speaker 1: fact of the matter is you're telling me if I

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Speaker 1: listen to that song, I'm more distracted than if I

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Speaker 1: listen to perhaps some sort of symphony from the eighteen thirties.

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Speaker 1: Is that what you're telling me, that's what That's what

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Speaker 1: they're saying.

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Speaker 4: But what they're doing is though for you and me,

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Speaker 4: I listen to that song and I'm more focused, I'm energized,

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Speaker 4: I'm ready for Christmas. You know, it brings up this

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Speaker 4: the energy. But some people it might cause them distraction. Apparently,

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Speaker 4: you know, I don't really agree with that one, but

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Speaker 4: there's I would have to see how they actually measured

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Speaker 4: these beats per minute, because that one seems a little

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Speaker 4: weird to me, because when I think of Andy Williams,

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Speaker 4: I remember all the Christmas specials and things like that

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Speaker 4: that were going on.

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Speaker 1: There were good family times. For me, it's a good memory. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I get the Trans Siberian Orchestra. I've interviewed

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Speaker 1: a number of those guys to know what they do

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Speaker 1: on a on a yearly basis. But by and large,

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Speaker 1: listening to music while that you are driving, I think

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Speaker 1: what you're saying here is probably not the most ideal

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Speaker 1: thing right.

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Speaker 4: Right when when people unless you are in it, unless

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Speaker 4: it matches your concentration and focus zone. You know, one

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Speaker 4: thing they're not taking into account is that every brain

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Speaker 4: is different. So some people, if you're listening to certain music,

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Speaker 4: people will say, turn that music off. It's distracting, you know.

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Speaker 4: Other people say keep the music on. Some people drive

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Speaker 4: with no music because they can't handle the distraction of

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Speaker 4: any noise at all.

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Speaker 1: But but it's it's perfectly fine to listen to talk

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Speaker 1: radio well while you're driving, correct, there's no problem with that,

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Speaker 1: especially your show, especially your show, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: So let me let me just ask you this. So

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Speaker 1: we've talked what that kind of music does to the brain.

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Speaker 1: We talked about how it can distract the brain driving.

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Speaker 1: Can you know you can't drive anymore anywhere, particularly in

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Speaker 1: this country, being distracted at all, because God knows what's

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Speaker 1: coming the other way at you, in what state of

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Speaker 1: mind somebody is driving that car. So what is the

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Speaker 1: best way to drive? Doctor? How do we avoid see

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Speaker 1: now I'm going to morph into something that might save

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Speaker 1: lives here. How do we avoid traffic accidents when we're

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Speaker 1: driving so that our brain is completely focused on task?

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Speaker 4: But I think the main thing is you know they

501
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Speaker 4: say we have the attention of a goldfish about five seconds.

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Speaker 4: So always change your point of view, like when we

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Speaker 4: look in the rear view mirror from side to side,

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Speaker 4: we look in front of us. Always change your point

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Speaker 4: of view, but refocus because what happens is you get

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Speaker 4: distracted because you maybe you see a stop signed down

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Speaker 4: the way, but you don't see the car hitting the

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Speaker 4: brakes right in front of you. So it's about keep

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Speaker 4: your eyes moving when you're driving. You need to be vigilant,

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Speaker 4: like you said, So it is a stressfully them you know,

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Speaker 4: a lot of people think that on airplanes or driving

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Speaker 4: an automobiles, you know, they sleep the whole way, but

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Speaker 4: then they're tired when they get there. That's because every

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Speaker 4: cell of your body is moving and you're stressed out.

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Speaker 4: You're creating more cortisol in that, don't you meine I

516
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Speaker 4: was talking about, and neuropronaffter and all those things trigger

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Speaker 4: the wakefulness that we need in the morning. Our bodies

518
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Speaker 4: were not designed and especially our brain was not designed

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Speaker 4: for the technology that we're experiencing today. So we need

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Speaker 4: to just take that downtime. You know, when you get back,

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Speaker 4: when you get home from driving, take a moment, take

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Speaker 4: five minutes and do some breeding and just relax. Because

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Speaker 4: you went from one stressful event. Maybe you walk into

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Speaker 4: a house, it's another stressful event. The problem isn't the stress.

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Speaker 4: The problem is that nobody's taking time for recovery.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody knows how to sleep in this country. If

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Speaker 1: you haven't noticed that, doc, at least without chemical help.

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Speaker 1: I'm just wondering when people go to brain tap dot com,

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Speaker 1: what happens. You come on the phone and you talk

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Speaker 1: monotonously to them until they pass out for monotony, and

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Speaker 1: then they fall asleep. What happens at brainsap.

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Speaker 4: Dot com cos Oh, No, we use sound frequencies too

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Speaker 4: beats permitted, but we're going to use earth frequencies zero

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Speaker 4: point five to eighty eight and depending upon the brain

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Speaker 4: we want to train. In the morning, we want to

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Speaker 4: train SMR to get them well woke up, to get

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Speaker 4: them going. It's about between ten cycles actually ten to

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Speaker 4: fourteen cycles per second, and then or beats per minut it.

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Speaker 4: And then when we talk about the afternoon, we want

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Speaker 4: to have a full reboot because our temperature drops at

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Speaker 4: two a pm. We're cyclic creatures. It increases two degrees

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Speaker 4: at two am, so the body is always cycling from

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Speaker 4: something called the circadian rhythm. So we reset the brain

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Speaker 4: and back in. You know when you read books. I'm

545
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Speaker 4: reading a book right now that was written about India.

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Speaker 4: They never worked past two o'clock in the afternoon, and

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Speaker 4: now now we worked until eight o'clock at night.

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Speaker 1: So we're pushing the.

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Speaker 4: Boundaries of our biological system and we're not taking the

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Speaker 4: time to recover.

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Speaker 1: So the middle afternoon is really good. And then at

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Speaker 1: night we need to down regulate.

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Speaker 4: Just get that beats permitted as slow as possible, turn

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Speaker 4: off the lights, drink plenty of water two hours before

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Speaker 4: going to bed, get yourself ready for bed and cool

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Speaker 4: dark place, and just let yourself relax, you know, and

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Speaker 4: do the breeding exercises which I've talked about on your

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Speaker 4: show before. You know, like at night those people that

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Speaker 4: aren't sleeping. Two thirds of the world, by the way,

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Speaker 4: is not sleeping. Well, so when you think about that,

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Speaker 4: when you go to sleep, it's a sport.

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Speaker 1: It's not an activity.

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Speaker 4: Tomorrow morning you're going to get up and you're going

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Speaker 4: to become a part of the human race, you know,

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Speaker 4: and it's a race like you get up to one

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Speaker 4: hundred yardsh and say, what do you mean I got

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Speaker 4: to run one hundred yard dash. I didn't train for this. Well,

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Speaker 4: that's your life. So at night, that's when you do

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Speaker 4: your training while you sleep. So breathe into the count

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Speaker 4: of four, hold that breath, breath out to the count

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Speaker 4: of eight, and you'll start regulating your nervous system and

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Speaker 4: teaching your body to recover. Because sleep is when you

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Speaker 4: get those superpowers you need tomorrow morning when you wake

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Speaker 4: up to have the energy to listen to those songs

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Speaker 4: on the radio, do the things so listen to talk radio,

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Speaker 4: process the information you need, and live the life you

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Speaker 4: really want.

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Speaker 1: Well, we got a lot of people around that don't

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Speaker 1: work past two o'clock. You can't find them with a

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Speaker 1: search warn after two o'clock at this place. But nevertheless,

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Speaker 1: doctor Patrick Porter, expert on brain health. You can find

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Speaker 1: him at brain tab b r A I ntap brain

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Speaker 1: tap dot com. Okay, you have a great holiday season

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Speaker 1: and stop listening to that Christmas music when you drive. Chris,

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Speaker 1: I'm on the road with you, Doc, all right, thank you,

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Speaker 1: you bet you bet? Yeah, all kinds of who. As

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Speaker 1: a matter of fact, here's another song that'll make you

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Speaker 1: plowing to the guy in front of you, he says

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Speaker 1: Nat King Cole. He's like mister Christmas, but apparently not

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Speaker 1: good for your brain. Now driving to the guy next

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Speaker 1: year and plunge into a brick wall. Be careful what

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Speaker 1: just taking out now your host Ken Brew on News

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Speaker 1: Radio seven hundred WLW, Snow continues to fall one thirty.

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Speaker 1: You know all, we have UC basketball live from Georgia.

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Speaker 1: As the barricades take back, Bearcats take on the University

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Speaker 1: of Georgia. All the play by play right here on

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Speaker 1: But this is a team that can put up points.

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Speaker 1: We'll see how the Bearcats handle them. You want to

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Speaker 1: warm up snow falling, let's talk baseball, Yes, let's talk baseball.

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Speaker 1: A lot of things that get us warmed up. Reds

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Speaker 1: Fest a couple of weeks away, and then of course

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Speaker 1: they start a spring training and a new book has

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Speaker 1: just come across my table. I have a little table here.

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Speaker 1: Books come across and every so often I stop the

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Speaker 1: ones I like this. One is written by a buddy

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Speaker 1: of mine, Matt Snyder cbssports dot com. It's called The

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Speaker 1: leadoff Man, The History of the Evolution of and Fun

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Speaker 1: with the greatest catalyst in sports. The leadoff man maybe

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Speaker 1: the most difficult position in a batting order to staff,

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Speaker 1: and Matt Snyder, as I said, has done a deep

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Speaker 1: dive into this. His book has just come out, and

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Speaker 1: I wanted to get him on the show today, not

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Speaker 1: only to warm us up, but to talk about all

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Speaker 1: of this, and he's kind enough, probably snowed in in

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Speaker 1: his home in Indiana, nevertheless kind enough to join us. Matt,

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Speaker 1: how are you on this glorious Saturday.

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Speaker 6: I am great. Thank you so much for having me

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Speaker 6: on to talk about the book.

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Speaker 4: I am.

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Speaker 6: I'm ecstatic about it.

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Speaker 1: Is it fair to say that the leadoff hitter, and

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you go into this in your book, is

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Speaker 1: it fair to say that the evolution of that particular

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Speaker 1: it began as one thing and now has evolved to

651
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Speaker 1: where it is now. Maybe speed and on base early,

652
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Speaker 1: but now it's almost a position that demands some sort

653
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Speaker 1: of ability to hit for power. Am I right about that?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, It's covered heavily. There's a chapter on the evolution.

656
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 7: I go back to the eighteen hundreds.

657
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Speaker 6: It's interesting.

658
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 7: I talked to Major League Baseball historian John Thorne and

659
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 7: he said, actually, at the adjunct of the game in

660
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 7: the eighteen sixties and eighteen seventies, they did just hit

661
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 7: their best player first, because becomes the best and most

662
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 7: That was the logic. The turn of the century, it

663
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 7: changed and it became hey, you got to save your

664
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Speaker 7: best hitter for fourth. Now, if you go back like

665
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 7: Honus Wagner, ty Cop, they had the profile where they

666
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 7: would have been great leadoff hitters, but they hit clean

667
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 7: up pretty much their entire careers. And the stolen base

668
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 7: thing fifties sixties seventies is when it became, hey, you've

669
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Speaker 7: got to rack up steals from the top spot.

670
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 6: You had guys like.

671
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 7: Maury Wills who didn't really get up base much at

672
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 7: a great cliff, but sotole a bunch of basis so

673
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 7: they had to hit lead up. Guys like Gary Pettis

674
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 7: I talked about should never have.

675
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 6: Bad at leadoff, but he sole basis. So we got

676
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Speaker 6: a bat, we got a beat leadoff.

677
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 7: And then you know, I feel like Ricky did a

678
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 7: little bit in terms of the power. People started to see, hey,

679
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:08,919
Speaker 7: you know, this is the greatest leadoff man of all time,

680
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 7: and he has some power. Alfonso Soriano, I think, really

681
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 7: started to kind of push it. And here recently we've

682
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 7: seen George Springer types and now we've got I mean,

683
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 7: Kyle Schwarmer a couple of years ago was hitting lead

684
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Speaker 7: off for the Phillies.

685
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: Shoho Tani bad leadoff.

686
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 7: So Ronald Lacuna Junior sitting over forty bounds in the

687
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 7: leadoff spot. So it's yeah, I talk about the evolution,

688
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 7: but yeah, Brady Anderson in the nineties had power as well.

689
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 7: I know everybody just focuses on the one fifty homer season,

690
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 7: but he hit over twenty three other times, so he

691
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Speaker 7: had power a lot of different seasons.

692
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Speaker 6: Betting leadoffs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's interesting about putting your best hitter in

694
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: the in the in the leadoffs situation that has they've

695
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 1: evolved out of it in baseball, but there was a

696
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: time here in Cincinnati in the mid two thousands where

697
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: they put Adam Dunn in the leadoff hter simply because

698
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: he was a guy that could hit for power and

699
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: at that time he was fond of, if not their

700
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 1: best leadoff hitter. Yeah, and he took his walks too.

701
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Speaker 6: So it's I go through.

702
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 7: There's a chapter where I go through and I say, like,

703
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 7: if the evolution had happened sooner, or if people were

704
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 7: a little bit more open minded, some players through history

705
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 7: that could have or even should have let off and

706
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,959
Speaker 7: Joey Voto in twenty twelve, I mean, the Reds didn't

707
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 7: lead him off at all, running out Zach Cozart and

708
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 7: is two eighty eight on base percent of hitting leadoff.

709
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 6: And it's not like you needed to save power.

710
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 7: I mean they had Ryan Ludwick, Jay Bruce, Todd Frazier, FRANM.

711
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 7: Siltz could have hit tip. I mean, they had plenty

712
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 7: of power. They should have just hit Botto leadoff.

713
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 6: And that was a team that made the.

714
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Speaker 7: Playoffs Eve though they didn't go anywhere in the playoffs.

715
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Speaker 6: I think they could have streamlined it.

716
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 7: So there's twenty five different guys where I run through

717
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 7: like that. And also you'll find this fun. I believe

718
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 7: I had something stuck with me.

719
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Speaker 6: I was when I was a little kid.

720
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Speaker 7: We went to a game in Cincinnati and my dad

721
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 7: would throw on Wow on the way home and to

722
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,760
Speaker 7: listen to the postgame show. And there was a caller

723
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 7: who I believe it was nineteen eighty eight, because there

724
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 7: was a caller who wanted to set the perfect lineup

725
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 7: for the Red and.

726
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 6: He started he said somebody.

727
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 7: Else other than cal Daniels, and the host pushed back

728
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 7: and said, wait, wait, wait, you've got to hit cal

729
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 7: Daniels leadoff. He leads the league on base percentage, and

730
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 7: the caller was adamant that he.

731
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 6: Had too much power and he needed to save that power.

732
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 6: So I talk.

733
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Speaker 7: About the mindset that was permeating throughout baseball fandom, baseball

734
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 7: media managers for a long time.

735
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 6: It was hey, hey, hey, he's too good. He can't

736
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Speaker 6: bat lead off.

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Speaker 1: The best I thought at that position that I ever

738
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: saw was lou Brock, and that's just I think more

739
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: of a of an era that I come from. But

740
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: Pete Rose hit lead off quite a bit here in Cincinnati.

741
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: Is wondering where he would put where where would you

742
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: put Rose? Or where did you put Rose?

743
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Speaker 2: In?

744
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 6: I ranked that I have a ranking chapter. I ranked

745
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 6: the top twenty, and I also went through honorable mention

746
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 6: by era.

747
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 7: So like the dead ball era, pre integration, post integration,

748
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 7: predh deoid era two thousand and four to present, I

749
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 7: ran through over eighty five guys that I did you

750
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 7: know little blurbs.

751
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 6: On in the top twenty. I expanded on each guy

752
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 6: a little bit.

753
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 7: And Peter ros is easily easily in the top twenty.

754
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 6: I'll say I'll reveal top five, okay, b lou Brock

755
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:31,280
Speaker 6: is top ten, number one. We can spoil that because

756
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 6: it's easy and obvious.

757
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: The Tree interested absolutely absolutely yep, and I think he

758
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: defined the position four years to come, but it's it's

759
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Speaker 1: absolutely it's so difficult for teams to find a leadoff hitter.

760
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: You mentioned what they did here with Kozart several years ago.

761
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: They're still looking here for a guy that can put

762
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: up at the plate and get on base in essence,

763
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Speaker 1: quote unquote set the table. Why is it so difficult

764
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: for teams? And the Reds aren't just alone on this,

765
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: why are they? Why is it so difficult for teams

766
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: to find a quote unquote leadoff hitter.

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Speaker 7: I think for a long time there was a mindset

768
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 7: you have to be different when you're leading off. And

769
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Speaker 7: I interviewed a lot of guys about this, Mookie bet

770
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 7: TJ Friedel, Pete Armstrong and half George Springer, and a

771
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 7: lot of them said, well, I don't really change my approach.

772
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 7: And Boba shed actually was funny because he argued with

773
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 7: himself for a second when I was like, hey, do

774
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 7: you approach your bets differently when you're cleanup hitter versus

775
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 7: when you're leadoff? And he was like no, well yeah, no, wait, yeah, yeah,

776
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 7: I think I do, and that to me comes up

777
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 7: why I think it's difficult because guys will say I

778
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 7: don't want to change anything.

779
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 6: But when they get up there first and you're the

780
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 6: first batter of.

781
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 7: The game, or you're supposed to be setting the table,

782
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 7: I think there is a change in mindset, like, hey,

783
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 7: I'm supposed to be a table setter, so I'm supposed

784
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 7: to be more patient here. And that's why you see

785
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 7: leadoff hitters take more pitches than most other guys in

786
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 7: the batting order. Now, the truly great ones are was

787
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 7: attacking the first pitch. George Springer, for example, he's great

788
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 7: at sneak attacking with the first pitch or deciding to

789
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 7: take it every once in a while. I talked to

790
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 7: Dexter Fowler about it and he said he was the

791
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 7: same way, like he generally would try to take pitches,

792
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 7: but every once in a while he'd get in his

793
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 7: head like, hey, I'm going to sneak attack him on

794
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 7: the first pitch here because he thinks that it's going

795
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 7: to be easy to get a.

796
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Speaker 6: Strike on me.

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Speaker 1: We're chatting with Matt Sneyder cbsports dot com, but the

798
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Speaker 1: author of a book that has just dropped the leadoff man,

799
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: the history of the evolution of and fun with the

800
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: greatest catalyst in all of sports. I've got to ask

801
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: you this. The winter meetings just wrapped up. The Reds

802
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 1: targeted Kyle Schwarber and came up about twenty five million

803
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: dollars short. He's back with the Phillies. How do they

804
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: recover from that? Because this town was geeked for about

805
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: forty eight seventy two hours and now it's like, oh,

806
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: same old Reds. They really don't want to play the game.

807
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: How do they recover from that?

808
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 7: I thought they should have pivoted to Pete Alonso, but

809
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 7: now there's a slinging the mist there as well.

810
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 6: Look, we don't need to run through it again. You

811
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 6: know how badly they need power.

812
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 7: Elie de la Cruz Census Seer, the team leaders in

813
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 7: home runs with twenty two and twenty one.

814
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Speaker 1: Swarba or Alonzo.

815
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 7: Would hit forty to forty five, if not fifty in

816
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 7: that ballpark the next two years at Leeds.

817
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 6: If you were worried about the last two years of the.

818
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Speaker 7: Contract being a stunt costs, I'm sorry, I don't know

819
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 7: what to tell you. Because the Reds just made the

820
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,240
Speaker 7: playoffs last year, but they were outclassed by the Dodgers,

821
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,280
Speaker 7: in part because they don't have enough power in the lineup,

822
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 7: and you had these two mega power hitters sitting there

823
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 7: on the market and all it takes is money, all

824
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 7: you got to do. I don't think Swarber was ever

825
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 7: really going to leave Philadelphia, but sometimes the polls going

826
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 7: back home can be there at least match it. At

827
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 7: least match it and say hey, we'll give you the

828
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 7: same money.

829
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Speaker 6: Just come home. The Reds have the money, They're not

830
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 6: tied up with a bunch of huge contracts or anything.

831
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 6: They need to.

832
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Speaker 7: Capitalize on that run to the playoffs. I mean, they

833
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 7: hardly have anybody making five figures in the season. I

834
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 7: think maybe Preaty will be over ten million, but Hunter

835
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 7: Green's going to be the second highest tape player next year.

836
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 7: To me, sorry to pile on, but unacceptable that the

837
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 7: Reds weren't willing to swim in the big boy pool

838
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 7: here for Shober. And then again I would throw Alonzo

839
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 7: in there too.

840
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. The book is the leadoff man, the History

841
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 1: of the Evolution of and Fun with the greatest catalyst

842
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 1: in sports. I'm looking right here on Amazon. If you

843
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: order it today, you can get it delivered free by Monday.

844
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 1: So that's pretty darn good. Good luck with the book, Matt,

845
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: and you know I'll visit down the road. But congratulations

846
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: on that, and thank you, thank you for your time

847
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: here today.

848
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 2: As always, thank you so much.

849
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Speaker 1: I'm very platteruing you should be actually very proud of

850
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: what you did. It's a terrific book. I would recommend it.

851
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: I've read it. It's great. Yeah, it looks like the

852
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: Reds are left with the Ryan o'hearns of the world.

853
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: Who's still out there? Thirty two years old, hit two

854
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: eighty one last year, seventeen home runs. But it could

855
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,280
Speaker 1: have been so much much better, really deflating one twenty

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858
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