Speaker 1: Do you want to be in a county it's flowing
Speaker 1: me back on seven hundred, w adaddie, Man. We got
Speaker 1: a lot to get to today, for sure, this is
Speaker 1: a really interesting story. We have seen a lot of
Speaker 1: street razors and street takeovers in Cincinnati, and I'm yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if more younger people are doing it
Speaker 1: today than you did back in the day, or it
Speaker 1: could just be that we see it because cameras are everywhere,
Speaker 1: and these people are putting it online and it is
Speaker 1: a problem for sure. So what do you think about this?
Speaker 1: In Kentucky, lawmakers are working on a bill there that
Speaker 1: would allow the state to seize and destroy vehicles used
Speaker 1: in street racing or street takeovers. From a civil libertarian perspective,
Speaker 1: does a punishment fit the crime. It's a good idea.
Speaker 1: It's a good to turn on that From Newport Is,
Speaker 1: Kentucky Representative Matt Lehman, Democratic, Campbell County, Matt, welcome. How
Speaker 1: are you. I'm doing fine. I think we have the
Speaker 1: same temperature. No, kidd, it was like third to walk
Speaker 1: the dog yesterday. Man, it was thirty degrees. It felt
Speaker 1: like it was eighty.
Speaker 2: I know what. That was a nice tot break.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to get forty late next week. It's
Speaker 1: going to feel like we live in Palm Springs. Before
Speaker 1: I get into the crushing of cars used in street
Speaker 1: racing real quick, I want to touch on something you're
Speaker 1: voting on, and that is the new landlord bill in
Speaker 1: Kentucky law that would terminate a rental agreement in three
Speaker 1: days notice when law enforcement or fire protection emergency services
Speaker 1: are dispatched more than three times within a six month
Speaker 1: period to the same location, and it's because of the
Speaker 1: tenants conduct. I think that's really good laws the landlord myself,
Speaker 1: because on this side of the river anyway, at least
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati, they expect the landlord to essentially be a babysitter.
Speaker 1: If you're a grown adult and you're running a property,
Speaker 1: you know, I shouldn't get in trouble because you're speeding
Speaker 1: or doing a streets takeover. Yet when you're in my property,
Speaker 1: it's like, well, wait a minute, these are growing. I
Speaker 1: could see if I neglected the property, but that's about it.
Speaker 1: I can't control the comings and goings of an adult.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so now it's you're right, and and actually the
Speaker 2: bills proposed in Kentucky is actually pretty similar to some
Speaker 2: of the surrounding states, so that you know, this is
Speaker 2: Kentucky's in some ways a little bit behind on this.
Speaker 2: And and you know, look, I anytime I hear a
Speaker 2: bill that the landlords are pushing, Look, sometimes I'm a
Speaker 2: little skeptical. You know, they have their own interest, but
Speaker 2: it's but you're right. So the way a lot of
Speaker 2: municipal walls are, it puts all the burden on the landlords.
Speaker 2: So it's if you own a property and it's a
Speaker 2: nuisance or your tenants a nuisance, it becomes the landlord's property.
Speaker 2: And the landlord doesn't always have the tools, uh to
Speaker 2: remove a tenant that is a true problem and a
Speaker 2: nuisance to the neighborhood. So this this would help and
Speaker 2: kind of reduce the timelines, uh, you know for evicting
Speaker 2: a real problem tenant. Two issues that I you know,
Speaker 2: I've talked to the bill sponsor, we may say, you
Speaker 2: know to two issues that were brought to me. One
Speaker 2: was actually from the city of Newports, the mayor Tom
Speaker 2: Gadilly Junior. I mean he mentioned, look that the the
Speaker 2: largest number of calls for police in the city and
Speaker 2: Newport is actually parking in fractions, and so we don't
Speaker 2: you know, we don't want to be evicting people that
Speaker 2: you know, they've had three calls because their neighbor doesn't
Speaker 2: like where they're parking. You know, I don't think we
Speaker 2: got to make sure this is balanced, that you know
Speaker 2: that there's real infractions and the real problem in the
Speaker 2: neighborhood and not just you know, your neighbor doesn't like
Speaker 2: and keeps calling the cops. And the other one is,
Speaker 2: you know, make sure that you know, we don't want
Speaker 2: to have the landlord making the call say hey, you know,
Speaker 2: I think rent's gone up. I could get a better
Speaker 2: tenant and you know, allow of the landlord to make
Speaker 2: three calls and uh, you know, try to get that out.
Speaker 2: But well, you know, I think there's some we'll get
Speaker 2: the bill in pretty good shape. And I think it's
Speaker 2: got a good chance.
Speaker 1: Okay, good, good, that's all I think. That's I think
Speaker 1: that's good legislation. Matt Lemon. Let me pivot then to
Speaker 1: the issue at hand here, and that is, if you're
Speaker 1: caught up in a street race or a street takeover, uh,
Speaker 1: it's not a three strikes And now this is interesting.
Speaker 1: So the first defense if they catch you doing this
Speaker 1: is up to one thousand dollars five six months in
Speaker 1: jail and ninety day vehicle impoundment. Second time, it's a
Speaker 1: year in jail, two thousand dollars fine, license suspension, and
Speaker 1: the state takes your vehicle. Why why the second time?
Speaker 1: Why not? The third time is usually it's three strikes in,
Speaker 1: you're out. This is two strikes in, you're out.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, I so we passed a bill in the
Speaker 2: House last year pretty similar to the building proposed. It
Speaker 2: didn't make it through the Senate last year, so we've
Speaker 2: kind of made it, tweaked a few changes, and I
Speaker 2: think it made Look I voted for it last year.
Speaker 2: I'll vote for it again, you know. And I know people,
Speaker 2: you know, when you're taking property and so on, it's
Speaker 2: you know, civil libertarians get real cautious. But you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, this is very dangerous activity. I mean, we're
Speaker 2: talking about residential neighborhoods, cars going at very high I mean,
Speaker 2: these are souped up cars that can go one hundred
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty one hundred and sixty miles an hour,
Speaker 2: and it's just, you know, this is how people die.
Speaker 2: And you know, we've had real problems with this in
Speaker 2: certain parts of Kentucky, especially like in Louisville. So the
Speaker 2: bill sponsored bipartisan bill. There's two co sponsors from Republican
Speaker 2: and the Democrat. In fact, the Democrats. She was previously
Speaker 2: the mayor of Shively, which is a suburb of Louisville,
Speaker 2: so she you know, she she's been a mayor and
Speaker 2: now state legislator Beverly Chester Burton, so you know she
Speaker 2: understands it. I mean, there has to be as it's
Speaker 2: you know, it's not cool. I mean, and I think, yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: We saw cam Taylor britt right, do you know what
Speaker 1: three times, you know, a third time he was a
Speaker 1: passionor but it's the car flipped over the other two
Speaker 1: times he's driving like two hundred miles an hour in
Speaker 1: the street.
Speaker 2: You can't have it, Yeah, agreed. And I and I
Speaker 2: just think, yeah, look, I mean sometimes three strikes is
Speaker 2: fine that you know that he's lucky he got a
Speaker 2: third try. I mean, you know, we just yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: it is tough, but I think it's it's a very
Speaker 2: serious problem. And then we're going to address it really
Speaker 2: head on.
Speaker 1: So has this done anything to stop it in Louisville
Speaker 1: since introduced us.
Speaker 2: So yeah, we'll see. And you made a good point.
Speaker 2: So after we did not pass it through the Senate
Speaker 2: last year, the City of Louisville passing unisial ordinance. You know,
Speaker 2: the mayor was on TV summer crushing a I think
Speaker 2: it was like one hundred thousand dollars dodge, you know,
Speaker 2: street racer. You know, right, we'll see, I mean to
Speaker 2: be honest, you know that this went into effect in
Speaker 2: the City of Louisville, I think in the spring. So
Speaker 2: we've seen it, you know, about nine months, so we'll see.
Speaker 2: We'll see if it's working. Anecdotes say it does seem
Speaker 2: to be and especially like I said, when we saw
Speaker 2: the mayor crushing that car, it got a lot of
Speaker 2: attention in Louisville. So yeah, we're hopeful that we'll be
Speaker 2: able to give the tools, not just to the City
Speaker 2: of Louisville, but you know, other other cities around.
Speaker 1: Well, we know that you know, you know, murder is
Speaker 1: not the capital punishment is not a deterrent for people.
Speaker 1: I don't know if this will generally thinking, oh, this
Speaker 1: will be a deterrent. There's there's plenty of knuckleheads out there.
Speaker 1: They'll continue to do that now. Now, granted, not all
Speaker 1: the cars, and certainly I would think it's a very
Speaker 1: small percentage of the cars involved in driving this fast,
Speaker 1: our one hundred thousand dollars vehicles, right that can go.
Speaker 1: Typically it's going to be someone in a you know,
Speaker 1: souped up Honda or something like that. Right.
Speaker 2: I think that's where you know, when you think I
Speaker 2: don't know, Look, I mean there's been street racing forever
Speaker 2: and I when I was in high school and you'd
Speaker 2: see it, I guess the place to do in northern
Speaker 2: Kentucky when I was growing up without in Florence and
Speaker 2: Dream Street and you'd see that you have souped up
Speaker 2: Hondas and stuff. But no, I think this is getting
Speaker 2: much more sophisticated and becoming And that's when it started
Speaker 2: to become a real like it's not just you know,
Speaker 2: teenagers behaving, you know, unsafe. It was like nearly semi professional.
Speaker 2: I mean, these are cars that were meant for racetracks, right,
Speaker 2: lots of money going into it, well organized as well,
Speaker 2: you know, they'd organized on social media, you know, and
Speaker 2: have these events. So it was really getting to a
Speaker 2: point where this this had to be strong, measureds needed
Speaker 2: to be taken.
Speaker 1: I got you. And so the is it is it
Speaker 1: getting worse? What is the day to say? Because you
Speaker 1: kind of harkened, hey back in the day people that
Speaker 1: used to drag race back tell you American graffiti from
Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties. Well, they're doing the same thing that
Speaker 1: that younger people are doing today. It's nothing new. But
Speaker 1: is it getting worse?
Speaker 2: Well, like I said, it's getting almost more professional. The
Speaker 2: cars are much more like these are street cars, I
Speaker 2: should say race cars or near race cars. They're able
Speaker 2: to go very high speeds, and like I said, they're
Speaker 2: you know, collecting crowds or organizing on social media. It
Speaker 2: was not just like I said, it's kind of a
Speaker 2: you know, just on a whim, We're going to go
Speaker 2: out to the countryside and find an open stretch of
Speaker 2: road and you know this is like I said. So,
Speaker 2: I don't know the data says it's more often, but
Speaker 2: it's certainly much more professional, with much higher specification cars
Speaker 2: going at much higher speed and a lot more people involved.
Speaker 1: He is Kentucky. Ret Matt Lehman out of a Newport,
Speaker 1: represents Campbell County and there's a proposal out second time
Speaker 1: around because it failed in the Senate. I believe you
Speaker 1: mentioned Matt last time, and that is to deal with
Speaker 1: the issue of street takeovers and street racers. And so
Speaker 1: if you're engaged in drag racing or takeover, first penalty
Speaker 1: is pretty stip six months in jail, ninety day impoundment,
Speaker 1: and up to a thousand dollars five Second time, they
Speaker 1: could very well take your car and destroy it. And
Speaker 1: that is the eye catching part. They seize your property,
Speaker 1: find you, maybe jael you, but also they're going to
Speaker 1: take that thing and smash it in a million pieces,
Speaker 1: regardless of what it's worth and how much you know,
Speaker 1: how much I could get for it in the market.
Speaker 1: And that for a second offense, how do you balance that,
Speaker 1: Matt with And that's a pretty severe penalty. The concerns
Speaker 1: about due process and proportionality, and of course the Eighth Amendment,
Speaker 1: which is the excessive fines concern that's an interesting constitutional question.
Speaker 1: I'm sure someone would challenge this lawn that the Supreme Court,
Speaker 1: I think in Indiana a few years ago said the
Speaker 1: excessive fine clause applies to states and vehicle forfeiture can
Speaker 1: violate that eighth Amendment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so a couple of things. So one I do
Speaker 2: want to point out in the state law that we're
Speaker 2: proposing in the House, it would actually allow either for
Speaker 2: the crushing of the car or the sale of the
Speaker 2: cart auction, and then the money from that sale would
Speaker 2: actually go to a defense victims fund. So you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's not just about crushing the car and wasting
Speaker 2: money and making a point. You know, there is a
Speaker 2: mechanism that, yes, we could the state could collect after
Speaker 2: selling the car and use it for a good purpose.
Speaker 2: You're right. I mean, look, we always try to balance
Speaker 2: with the crime and the punishment. Like you said, eighth
Speaker 2: Amendment concerns. But and I do think that's been appropriately handled.
Speaker 2: First of all, again, this is a second offense. So you know,
Speaker 2: you do it once, it's you know, it's a it's
Speaker 2: a stiff fine. You do it twice. I mean, you
Speaker 2: you've been warned, you've done it once. I mean there
Speaker 2: is a I mean, look, there is a process. We
Speaker 2: don't just take the car and crush it. You know,
Speaker 2: it does have to go to the court. You have
Speaker 2: to be i mean convicted. So it's you know, this
Speaker 2: isn't just you know, when when you get into some
Speaker 2: of those issues, it tends to be you know, when
Speaker 2: there's like that civil forfeiture sor you know, when the
Speaker 2: police take something before you've had your in court. That's
Speaker 2: not the case here. So this is a pretty well
Speaker 2: established it would be a well established process, goes through
Speaker 2: full court process. You know, you get your day in
Speaker 2: court and the hearing. And like I said, this is
Speaker 2: only if this has happened the second time. And don't
Speaker 2: minimize I mean this, this is very very dangerous activity.
Speaker 1: No question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think I think the different going over
Speaker 2: one hundred miles an hour. We're not talking about screwing around.
Speaker 2: I mean this, this is people die.
Speaker 1: And yeah, well we saw you know the Campdale brid
Speaker 1: thing I brought up earlier. There's in the streets as
Speaker 1: opposed to maybe the nineteen fifties, there's nowhere to go.
Speaker 1: It's the streets are more crowded and there's more people
Speaker 1: around and vehicles, so the screw streets are jam packed
Speaker 1: and it's only a matter of time. And now you
Speaker 1: know the breath will this include the people who are
Speaker 1: taking like them at intersection where they're doing burrons like donuts?
Speaker 2: No, so this is I and you know I'd have
Speaker 2: to take better. We worked on how to define what
Speaker 2: street racing is. This isn't just you know, driving too fast.
Speaker 2: This is I mean, we have plenty of laws about
Speaker 2: you know, speed driving. This is really about when it's
Speaker 2: organized and it's intended to take over the street for
Speaker 2: racing and like these kind of organized events. It's not
Speaker 2: just a driver driving in appropriately off and on.
Speaker 1: Okay, I thought that might include that as well, because
Speaker 1: there's some leeway and read through the bill, looks like
Speaker 1: that that the criteria for what the standard is in
Speaker 1: that bill would meet those that are doing donuts in
Speaker 1: the streets. So is there something else say at play here?
Speaker 2: Too?
Speaker 1: Is that I remember when like kids were rollerblading or
Speaker 1: skateboarding and parking lots, so we had this huge ban
Speaker 1: and they can't skate. We're criminalizing skating. And then Minispela said, well,
Speaker 1: maybe we offered them on alternate, Maybe we build some
Speaker 1: skate parks. Do we need to do that with like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, there's plenty of land of race tracks.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, maybe hey, look, I think give
Speaker 1: an outlet. If you're going to do it, here's a
Speaker 1: place to do it safely.
Speaker 2: That's actually not a bad idea. And we actually have
Speaker 2: the Kentucky Speedway that closed down a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: If you've been down that, and maybe that's not a
Speaker 2: bad idea, and that the uh you know, and you
Speaker 2: can do it safely and make sure it's at the
Speaker 2: right place. Yeah, I'm not against that. And maybe maybe
Speaker 2: you have a good idea there.
Speaker 1: We'll throw throw it in there. You got to get
Speaker 1: people alternative, Like if you're want to do it, you
Speaker 1: want to do it, well, you sign a waiver and
Speaker 1: you can hear here's the strip and no one's going
Speaker 1: to get killed. You put some guardrails up or whatever.
Speaker 1: And if you're out there and you get hit, that's
Speaker 1: on you, it's not on us. And you know, we
Speaker 1: have plenty of we have plenty of paved road around that.
Speaker 1: Doing much or parking lots wherever it might be probably
Speaker 1: wouldn't be easy. Command you could get in with the
Speaker 1: car clubs that want to sponsor this stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that may not be a bad idea.
Speaker 1: There's that, that's your idea. I'll tell you go ahead.
Speaker 2: I think so I'll call it the Scott Blown Memorial.
Speaker 2: Pre Racing ville or I'm still yeah, well, I mean
Speaker 2: you've got to get people an alternative otherwise.
Speaker 1: Now if you you know, because well where are we
Speaker 1: going to go do this? Well, there's nowhere to go
Speaker 1: do it because privately people can't afford the insurance. But
Speaker 1: certainly from the municipality or a government standpoint, you have
Speaker 1: the opportunity or something like that. I think. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: the other side, the other side of this, of course,
Speaker 1: when you talk about civil asset forfeiture, what bothers me
Speaker 1: is and you say the antent of the spirit of
Speaker 1: the law is this. But we know that municipalities, especially today,
Speaker 1: when they're when they're they're crunch or cash. I mean,
Speaker 1: look at the speed camera scam that's been going on
Speaker 1: for too long that they will look at as a
Speaker 1: revenue stream. And so now anyone caught and maybe look
Speaker 1: like they're racing, or two people driving fast at the
Speaker 1: same time at a highway or road, hey, now we're
Speaker 1: gonna nail you and seize your vehicle or hit you
Speaker 1: with a huge fine.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: And if we get you a second time, great, we're
Speaker 1: gonna We're gonna simply take your vehicle. And to think
Speaker 1: that somehow we're not going to abuse that it can
Speaker 1: be abused. I mean, I will look at some cases
Speaker 1: around CVG for example, the DEA. Now that's federal, not local.
Speaker 1: But DIA got caught red handed not long ago. It's
Speaker 1: CVEG shaking down what taking eleven thousand dollars on the passenger.
Speaker 1: There's a huge case and I think it was Oklahoma
Speaker 1: or a deputy. There's a guy out raising money for
Speaker 1: a Christian refugees and orphans and they took fifty three
Speaker 1: grand in a traffic stop. He's on his way to
Speaker 1: the bank. Never charged him, never had his day in court.
Speaker 1: They kept the damn money. This happens all the time,
Speaker 1: and it's such a big problem. In the last twenty years.
Speaker 1: You may not know this, but in the last twenty years,
Speaker 1: something like seventy billion dollars has been seized from individuals
Speaker 1: like this, including vehicles. How do you make sure this
Speaker 1: doesn't turn into a case of abuse by the government.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think you bring up Look, the civil
Speaker 2: forfeiture issue is a real problem. I agree with that.
Speaker 2: This is not again, this isn't the case here. This
Speaker 2: is going to be a state crime and it's it.
Speaker 2: And you're like, I mean, at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: you have your day in court, you get your car
Speaker 2: back if you're found not guilty. Right, you know, at
Speaker 2: some point we have to trust our legal process in
Speaker 2: our course. And you're right, it's a balance. So I'm
Speaker 2: not going to quaim it will never be a case
Speaker 2: of a city trying to abuse this in Kentucky, and
Speaker 2: certainly we don't intend that to be the case, and
Speaker 2: certainly that we have our courts and have high level
Speaker 2: of faith in our courts to see through that. But
Speaker 2: like I said, this is very dangerous activity that's detecting
Speaker 2: people's live and again right now, it's been a real
Speaker 2: issue in Louisville, right and it comes up off and on,
Speaker 2: and you know, we just want to make sure that
Speaker 2: there are the tools to make sure people are safe.
Speaker 2: And again, this isn't just a nuisance activity. This is
Speaker 2: a deadly activity. So let's we have to kind of
Speaker 2: put that in balance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it's a big problem in Louisville, probably Lexington,
Speaker 1: and you know, you're closer to Cincinnati than you are
Speaker 1: Louisville because you're a newport and you look across the river.
Speaker 1: Not your problem, but you see what's happening in Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: also in Dayton and elsewhere. So it's a problem across
Speaker 1: the country and in spri state for sure. We'll see
Speaker 1: where this goes, and I appreciate you joining the show.
Speaker 1: We'll probably follow up on this. I'm guessing the future.
Speaker 1: Is Kentucky Representative Matt Lehman joining the show here on
Speaker 1: a Newport Matt, thanks again for the time. Man, It's
Speaker 1: been great anytime. Thankscott, appreciate you. Be well. We'll get
Speaker 1: to a news update then we'll talk about this with you.
Speaker 1: And if you think that this is good law or
Speaker 1: could be right for abuse, my civil libertarian side of
Speaker 1: the thing hates it. I'll be honest with you. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you why. Also, if time allows the pause on
Speaker 1: ice in Springfield, not the cold weather ice rather, but
Speaker 1: of course immigration and customer enforcement that's been on pause
Speaker 1: because of a judge and maybe an angle on this.
Speaker 1: It has been considered yet I'm going to offer, and
Speaker 1: that are actually something called the facts of what it
Speaker 1: is we're dealing with. For those who compare this to
Speaker 1: what's happening in Minnesota, it's entirely two different things. And
Speaker 1: I'll explain why next seven hundred ww plony back on
Speaker 1: seven hundred WLW thanks again to Matt Layman, representative out
Speaker 1: of Newport Campbell County, to talk about this proposal that
Speaker 1: involves seizing a vehicle and crushing it if you're involved
Speaker 1: in street racing, and that would be for the second offense,
Speaker 1: not the first offense. Up to one thousand dollars fine
Speaker 1: for the first defense, six months jail, ninety day vehicle
Speaker 1: impoundment if you are caught speeding, if you've caught well racing.
Speaker 1: I should say in granted, it's a large problem, but
Speaker 1: I think there's a bigger problem this than that is.
Speaker 1: I look at this as someone who just doesn't trust government.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of old school that way. I'm a less
Speaker 1: government kind of guy. Today we have people who claim
Speaker 1: we want less government, but have no problem with more
Speaker 1: government as long as the people they support and voted
Speaker 1: for are doing it. And the problem with that logic.
Speaker 1: Rather than calling out those we supported and voted for,
Speaker 1: and without calling them out and saying, hey, listen, this
Speaker 1: is this is not acceptable. That's what occurs is something
Speaker 1: like this becomes law and it becomes abused because this
Speaker 1: is ripe for abuse. We've seen this before I mentioned
Speaker 1: that CBG, there was someone there's a few years ago
Speaker 1: guys got like eleven thousand dollars cash on them, not
Speaker 1: connected to a crime. You know, it's US legal currency.
Speaker 1: There's no reason to suspect this person was involved in
Speaker 1: crime at all. And yet because it was that amount
Speaker 1: of cash, they seized it and there was no hearing,
Speaker 1: no due process, nothing whatsoever. They keep it to the
Speaker 1: point where seventy billion dollars in the last twenty five
Speaker 1: years has been seized by the FEDS with absolutely no
Speaker 1: remedy to get that money back. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: we know that state budgets, local budgets are squeezed, So
Speaker 1: doesn't that give the government more incentive to be more
Speaker 1: liberal in their application this law if they're looking to
Speaker 1: increase their bottom line. Hey, we need money, we need roads,
Speaker 1: we need cops, we need speedcare. Speed camera is a
Speaker 1: great example of that where it wasn't about stopping speeders,
Speaker 1: it was about getting revenue, revenue enhancement. And if you
Speaker 1: simply go, well, my guys supporting this, my girls supporting
Speaker 1: they are my person's against this, then this is what
Speaker 1: you wind up getting. And it does fit into what's
Speaker 1: going on to some degree right now in Springfield, Oh,
Speaker 1: this is on hold, and I'll tie the two together here,
Speaker 1: same same example. And what is happening with those TPS
Speaker 1: households in this ringfield areas? So as you well, where
Speaker 1: about this point the judge, a federal judge, is ruled
Speaker 1: against any action in Springfield right now, the administration is
Speaker 1: going to appeal because they want agents to go into Springfield.
Speaker 1: And I think they had three out of there's up
Speaker 1: to fifteen thousand. I think Haitian immigrants there, and there's
Speaker 1: three hundred of them allegedly they're looking at, but it
Speaker 1: could be more. And if there's three hundred people doing
Speaker 1: wrong things, you know, you want to enforce the laws
Speaker 1: in that regard. But I think that could be done locally.
Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure. You know, it's like the folks
Speaker 1: that are fighting in Minnesota right now, protesting. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, not all the people that they're rounding up
Speaker 1: are good people. You know, you may be well putting
Speaker 1: your life on the line or screaming and protesting to
Speaker 1: protect someone who's getting hauled off, who certainly deserves it,
Speaker 1: who's not only here illegally but also is involved in
Speaker 1: a felony. Why would you why would you want that
Speaker 1: person living in your neighborhood. It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: But the way this whole thing has been handled, it
Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense at all. And the opposite side
Speaker 1: is true as well. Now we are conflating because again
Speaker 1: we have to be loyal to a person or a
Speaker 1: party as opposed to the constitution. What's happening is the
Speaker 1: same thing with ICE is like, well, wait, hold on,
Speaker 1: just a second, ICE and temporary protective status, that those
Speaker 1: are two different things. You know, someone's here legally and
Speaker 1: the breaking the law. Now most people would say, well,
Speaker 1: just by being here legally, you're breaking the law, And sure,
Speaker 1: I suppose you are, and we deserve to know who
Speaker 1: is on this side of our border, otherwise we're not
Speaker 1: a sovereign nation, right. I think you can do this,
Speaker 1: probably a little bit more surgical as opposed to a
Speaker 1: catch all. But that is the chaos that has taken
Speaker 1: root in America today, for sure. I think when it
Speaker 1: comes though to those going, well, ICE is in Minnesota,
Speaker 1: so we want to do the same thing in Springfield,
Speaker 1: It's an entirely different situation, all right. So temporary protected
Speaker 1: status that is something that our government. Now maybe it
Speaker 1: certainly was under a different administration. And you can end
Speaker 1: this because it is temporary, But why are we into
Speaker 1: get right now? And I bring it up because if
Speaker 1: the conditions in Haiti and they're still in a state
Speaker 1: of emergency by the way, I think since twenty twenty
Speaker 1: four they went in a state of emergency and the
Speaker 1: State Department is still warning Americans not to visit Haiti
Speaker 1: because of kidnapping, crime, terrorism, civil unrestings like that. Gangs
Speaker 1: still control about eighty percent of the capital city of
Speaker 1: Porta Prince, and they've killed more than well thirty five
Speaker 1: hundred people in the first in about six every six months.
Speaker 1: Haiti has not had a president since the assassination of
Speaker 1: the president in July twenty twenty one. Last time they
Speaker 1: had elections was ten years ago. So going hey, you
Speaker 1: know what, it's temporary, everything's okay, you need to go back.
Speaker 1: It doesn't look that doesn't pass a sniff test, and
Speaker 1: so what does that say about us. Comparing this and
Speaker 1: equating this to what ICE is doing across the country
Speaker 1: is silly because it's not the same thing. These are
Speaker 1: people who were invited here and brought here by our
Speaker 1: government and did so in places like Springfield that was
Speaker 1: a dying community, and now I don't know if it's thriving.
Speaker 1: I've been in Springfield a while, but it's certainly a
Speaker 1: lot better off with the immigrants there. And I bring
Speaker 1: this up because my bottom line is the bottom line.
Speaker 1: It's about money, it's about capitalism, it's about enriching our
Speaker 1: tax space and having people in the country that want
Speaker 1: to do stuff and be productive, regardless of where they
Speaker 1: come from. If you came here legally, it's a different story.
Speaker 1: But these people were brought here legally by the United
Speaker 1: States government. And so all right, let's wave the magic
Speaker 1: wand and get rid of some ten to fifteen thousand people.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're can get roll of them.
Speaker 1: It could just be a few hundred at this point. Again, again,
Speaker 1: there is just so much extreme extremes and exaggeration that
Speaker 1: it tends to drown out what the facts are. And
Speaker 1: I tend to look at the facts. So if you
Speaker 1: look at TPS whole an employment rate, this is nationally.
Speaker 1: I don't have the Ohio data in front of me,
Speaker 1: but the rate of those people who come this country
Speaker 1: under temporary protective status, their employment rate is ninety five percent.
Speaker 1: Ninety five percent. The other five percent maybe I don't know,
Speaker 1: stay at home parent could be someone who winds up
Speaker 1: becoming disabled. But ninety five percent employment in that community
Speaker 1: is astounding, which goes to show you what they are
Speaker 1: here to work and do jobs that the rest of
Speaker 1: us really think are beneath us. So for those that think, hey,
Speaker 1: we know, we got to throw them all out because
Speaker 1: they're eating dogs and cats, which is absolutely that's insane.
Speaker 1: What's going to happen to Let's say the building trades
Speaker 1: construction because a lot of the folks who come here
Speaker 1: from those countries. In this case we're talking about Haiti.
Speaker 1: Our men are in the construction field. We're talking industries
Speaker 1: like you know, building in grounds, clear landscaping. Landscaping is
Speaker 1: a really hard job. They're in the transportation that some
Speaker 1: truck drivers, manufacturing retail. Food service is a big one.
Speaker 1: Healthcare is a big one. There are thirteen thousand of
Speaker 1: them are nursing assistants, eight thousand caregivers. There is are
Speaker 1: Haitians alone who are taking care of our parents who
Speaker 1: are in assisted living or something on a situation like that.
Speaker 1: Agriculture of course another big one as well. Some fifteen
Speaker 1: thousand Haitians are in agriculture. These are jobs typically that
Speaker 1: we look at going, yeah, swinging a hammer, I don't know,
Speaker 1: working out in these elements, driving a truck. You know,
Speaker 1: they're in truck drivings, a noble ocuams, So they are
Speaker 1: all noble occupations. Healthcare is certainly a noble occupation, which
Speaker 1: we need more of those bodies. So what happens if
Speaker 1: we do this and now we're seeing the effects of this,
Speaker 1: the chilling effect that it has is all these Haitians
Speaker 1: are winding out, leaving, going somewhere else because they affer
Speaker 1: they're afraid they're going to get swept up, because they're
Speaker 1: conflating with what Ice is doing. And that may or
Speaker 1: may not be true. But again, if you're like, hey,
Speaker 1: and these people bought houses, I mean, the real estate
Speaker 1: market there turned around that I know about, Springfield's doing great.
Speaker 1: And because Haitians came in and starting to manufacturing, came
Speaker 1: in and created seven thousand jobs. Because say, hey, we've
Speaker 1: got a steady base of people here who want to
Speaker 1: show up to work, who are passing drug screening tests.
Speaker 1: That's what we need to build stuff to get stuff done,
Speaker 1: and we're doing it in Springfield, and now we want
Speaker 1: to turn that off. The question would be why, Well,
Speaker 1: because temporary okay, but why are we ending this now?
Speaker 1: The situation in Haiti is still as bad as it
Speaker 1: ever was. And this is not from me, This is
Speaker 1: from the Department of State. Now DHS is saying, well,
Speaker 1: conditions are proved enough, safe return. But you talk to us,
Speaker 1: it's like, well, they're still an emergency under State of Emergencies.
Speaker 1: Still don't have a president in the last ten years.
Speaker 1: The capital is completely run by gangs. Doesn't tull like
Speaker 1: an area you should go to, But they're telling Americans
Speaker 1: not to go there. Why are we evoking temporary protected status?
Speaker 1: You know, that's all driven by elections. It's driven by
Speaker 1: you know, getting out your core voters if you're Trump.
Speaker 1: But I wonder too, in this climate and with the
Speaker 1: midterm elections coming up, that's a smart thing to do
Speaker 1: in Ohio. If you know the election is going to
Speaker 1: be decided by razor thin margins, it's it's not a
Speaker 1: good look. You know, go ice doing what they do
Speaker 1: and finding bad people and rounding them up. That's what
Speaker 1: President Trump was elected to do. No, no question about it.
Speaker 1: Could you do it a little bit more gently and
Speaker 1: persuasively and surgically, absolutely, But that that is not in
Speaker 1: the nature of these guys. They tend to do things
Speaker 1: and make a big deal, you know, tends to be
Speaker 1: more well, maybe more shows sometimes in actual execution, we
Speaker 1: just throw stuff out there and see what sticks. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I get it, you know, not not all the people
Speaker 1: were protests. There's people they're protesting and do you know
Speaker 1: who you're fighting for? I guess it'd be the question
Speaker 1: that particular individual, what's their story? Well they seem like
Speaker 1: a nice guy, yeah, but wanted unfallily charges, you want
Speaker 1: them living in your neighborhood. But we're gonna fight for
Speaker 1: him anyway because it's us v them And that is
Speaker 1: the blindness instead of just looking at it going the
Speaker 1: problem is really government. We give them too much control.
Speaker 1: This is what happens, and when they do things like
Speaker 1: this and we don't call them out in their bs
Speaker 1: even if we did vote for them, then what's going
Speaker 1: to happen when the tide turns and the opposition gets
Speaker 1: into power. So you want all this stuff change, and
Speaker 1: you're a Democrat and a Republican gets in and we're
Speaker 1: gonna go okay, well, that's just going to give them
Speaker 1: more ammunition. I bring up the thing that Matt Lemon
Speaker 1: was just talking about, and that is civil asset forfeiture. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's bipartisan. He's a Democrat, Republicans are as well. But
Speaker 1: what scares me about that is giving the government up
Speaker 1: power and going, hey, second time we catch you speeding,
Speaker 1: we're gonna seize your car and crush it. Wait what Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: we know that the roads are dangerous out there, more
Speaker 1: congestined than ever before, and we've got idiots out there
Speaker 1: like Cam Taylor Britt. That's a great advertisement for what
Speaker 1: it does they want to do. I get that, But
Speaker 1: what scares me is as budgets get thinner and thinner
Speaker 1: and thinner, aren't thinking to use those laws to maybe
Speaker 1: stretch a little bit and go, well, yeah, maybe I
Speaker 1: we think you were speaking, we think you were drag racing. Well,
Speaker 1: what makes you think that? Why you're driving fast?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 1: What is that?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 1: And it's not codified in this bill? Hall, what is
Speaker 1: that I'm doing fifty and a forty five? Is it
Speaker 1: eighty and a forty five? Is it double this with
Speaker 1: there's no it's kind of just up to us. That
Speaker 1: I don't like because then it opens the system up
Speaker 1: for abuse. And if you encourage the stuff and turn
Speaker 1: a blind eye because it's the person who supported and
Speaker 1: voted for when the tides turn, it's they're not gonna go, well,
Speaker 1: we got to go back the way it was. No,
Speaker 1: they don't. They simply give government power. They don't give
Speaker 1: that away. The next party in power simply goes, we're
Speaker 1: gonna use it even We're gonna use it to the
Speaker 1: same level, if not more, And then people get tired
Speaker 1: of that and swing the next party and as it goes.
Speaker 1: But againually it's the continual erosion, like boiling of You
Speaker 1: know how you cook a frog. As you turn the
Speaker 1: heat up slowly, you don't throw it in boiling a
Speaker 1: wat it'll hop out, But if you turned it out slowly,
Speaker 1: the frog stays in and dies because the water's odd
Speaker 1: enough to kill it. And I think it's the same
Speaker 1: thing here as a matter of fact, anyway, So that's
Speaker 1: on pause right now. We'll see what happens later in
Speaker 1: the show. I want to get into the Savannah Guthrie thing.
Speaker 1: I guess it's Nanty Guthrie. And now, of course anything
Speaker 1: and everything is tied to Cincinnati. Every time we have
Speaker 1: a huge story, there's some connection, weird connection to Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: And we learned that Nancy Guthrie, the eighty fourth of
Speaker 1: the mother of Savannahuthrie, I from MDC News, as they noted,
Speaker 1: d in academy graduate so as roots here in the
Speaker 1: Tri State, which makes the story have a bitle of
Speaker 1: a local feel to it, if you will. But it
Speaker 1: is certainly bizarre. We'll get into that after eleven o'clock
Speaker 1: this morning on the Scotslan Show on seven hundred Wow.
Speaker 1: Here's the story that I did not get a chance
Speaker 1: to talk about the other day. And it's fascinating me
Speaker 1: because you tend to focus on the wrong thing. So
Speaker 1: we had a I got a space where I think
Speaker 1: a couple college students that you see broke in the
Speaker 1: fifth third and arena and tried to steal some alcohol.
Speaker 1: Makes sense, college students, and then you have a dude
Speaker 1: breaking into pay course stadium attempting to steal merchandise and
Speaker 1: food forty two to Antonio. Churchill arrested Sunday after he
Speaker 1: was caught on security camera breaking in the pay corps.
Speaker 1: He forcefully opened the door into the stadium and walked
Speaker 1: through the stadium until he was stopped by officers, responding,
Speaker 1: he's charged with breaking an entry. It's like, Wow, the
Speaker 1: guy's in the pay corps in February stealing stuff, and yeah,
Speaker 1: it's going to be in jail. He's he's locked up
Speaker 1: right now. As a matter of fact, I think the
Speaker 1: bigger question to me would be he was stealing merchandise. Okay,
Speaker 1: there's a merchant and food. The Bengals season ended in
Speaker 1: December and they're not going to open things back up
Speaker 1: in the stadium till August. Is the real crime this
Speaker 1: guy breaking in? Or is the real crime? Wait a minute,
Speaker 1: there's food sitting. If you're holding on to food for
Speaker 1: five six months, what are you gonna do with that?
Speaker 1: Are you gonna I need to know what kind of
Speaker 1: food this is now. I know that there's events that
Speaker 1: they host, different things there, maybe in some of the sweets,
Speaker 1: and you know there's players that show. I don't know
Speaker 1: how many are there this time of year, but you
Speaker 1: know they have food in the But from what I understand,
Speaker 1: this is like happened in the stadium area, not where
Speaker 1: the Bengal's offices training facilities are not conn be wrong
Speaker 1: about that. It's kind of a hard It's just a
Speaker 1: weird story. It's something wait, hold out, is the real
Speaker 1: this guy breaking here of the fact that these guys
Speaker 1: are holding on the on the hot dogs from last season?
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 1: Please tell me it's like not hot dogs. We need
Speaker 1: I think as a because maybe the person who reseat,
Speaker 1: like Alisia Reese or somebody like that, and find out
Speaker 1: this needs a deep die. I need to know what
Speaker 1: kind of food and where the food was and what
Speaker 1: it was for, because I don't know if I want
Speaker 1: those nachos, certainly not getting the sushi to put it
Speaker 1: that way. News on the way in about five minutes,
Speaker 1: the other things to keep me up at night. How
Speaker 1: about you coming up next to the show. I'm seven
Speaker 1: hundred WLW. You may have heard this story. Ohio Representative
Speaker 1: Adam Byrd from right here in Middletown is wanting a
Speaker 1: ban on this name, image and likeness thing for high
Speaker 1: school students. And this is quickly coming to a head
Speaker 1: in Columbus and it begs a whole bunch of quat question,
Speaker 1: is okay? Well, how prevalent by the way are these
Speaker 1: high school deals and do we need to ban it?
Speaker 1: How many people are being affected by this whole thing?
Speaker 1: And I also contend speaking of the Constitution, now it's
Speaker 1: your name, image and likeness. If you can make money
Speaker 1: off it, it's America. You should be able to do that,
Speaker 1: regardless of what the state of allegedly amateur athletics is.
Speaker 1: We'll getting to Adam Bird's head about that coming up,
Speaker 1: and just minutes here, quick time out. More to follow
Speaker 1: on the Home of the Red seven hundred WT. Since
Speaker 1: now here we go it Scott's flowing back on seven
Speaker 1: hundred W all that, but just how much you get
Speaker 1: through this, sour Julie Balki. A little bit later on
Speaker 1: our curs Shirpo will get into the Nancy Guthrie abduction
Speaker 1: and thoughts on that coming up first, though, Ohio high
Speaker 1: school athletes were allowed to accept nil deal since November.
Speaker 1: That's when the Ohio High School Athletic Association responded to
Speaker 1: a lawsuit from a jamiir Bron who is an OSU
Speaker 1: commit and they saw the writing on the wall one
Speaker 1: I don't think we can win this, and so we'll
Speaker 1: give in and we'll allow name, image, and likeness deals
Speaker 1: as we do in college. For high school students. We
Speaker 1: had a new bill out that would ban anil deals
Speaker 1: less than a year before they started. One of the
Speaker 1: people who are co sponsoring this is our buddy representative
Speaker 1: Adam bird the Birdman out of New Richmond and Claremont County.
Speaker 3: How are you, hey, Scott. It's great to be with
Speaker 3: you and looking forward to seeing what we can do
Speaker 3: to protect our students in Ohio from what is happening
Speaker 3: in college.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we saw what's unravelly college and some may say, well,
Speaker 1: you know, let's go back to the way it used
Speaker 1: to be. I don't think you could put the two
Speaker 1: space back in the tube, but it comes a little
Speaker 1: bit different in reality. How many kids in high school
Speaker 1: high schools is this going to impact? Really, it's not
Speaker 1: that many, is it, And therefore, if that's true, why
Speaker 1: don't we need to roll this back?
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no way to know how many this effects because,
Speaker 3: as you mentioned just a second ago, it's only been
Speaker 3: in effect for a couple of months, and so I
Speaker 3: do believe that this is going to unravel, and I
Speaker 3: don't think that we can allow the stand for the
Speaker 3: for the benefit and protection of our young people.
Speaker 1: Okay, so what is it you're trying to protect them
Speaker 1: from exactly explain?
Speaker 3: Well, that's yes, and so you know, I believe that
Speaker 3: athletics and high school are an extension of the classroom.
Speaker 3: They're co curricular activity that is responsible for helping to
Speaker 3: teach students about character and discipline and work ethic and
Speaker 3: communication skills and all of those things, and fitness. And
Speaker 3: so that's the reason why we provide these opportunities for
Speaker 3: our young people. It's not about how much money that
Speaker 3: they can make, and that that kind of situation will
Speaker 3: destroy amateur athletics and the good things that we've got
Speaker 3: going on in high school.
Speaker 1: Right now, I'll push back on that, goough, both of
Speaker 1: those can exist at the same time, can't that. I mean,
Speaker 1: we can put an emphasis on the classroom and character
Speaker 1: and discipline, and probably even more so if money is involved.
Speaker 1: And it's not gonna be a lot of money for
Speaker 1: most of these kids. It's gonna be a little bit
Speaker 1: of money save maybe a couple athletes along the lines
Speaker 1: that are so good at what they do and are
Speaker 1: so coveted by colleges and professionals sports teams that they're
Speaker 1: going to get some money throwing them, no doubt about.
Speaker 1: But the bulk of kids just simply are looking for
Speaker 1: something to do extracurricularly. This wouldn't affect them at all.
Speaker 1: But for those few that would re benefit from the
Speaker 1: NIL deal, how does this go against what you mentioned
Speaker 1: in the learning And it doesn't to me, It doesn't
Speaker 1: change it at them.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, if you're going to have certain kids
Speaker 3: on the team that are benefiting and others that are not,
Speaker 3: you're going to degrade the team work like atmosphere that
Speaker 3: exists in amateur sports that have a team approach, like football,
Speaker 3: like basketball. And it's important that we protect what we've
Speaker 3: got right now. And then the other thing that I
Speaker 3: would say, Scott, is this will turn into a recruiting situation,
Speaker 3: a recruiting war where let's say a wealthy alumni of
Speaker 3: a certain school that has a business wants to sign
Speaker 3: a student to an NIL deal and on the on
Speaker 3: the presumption that you will transfer to the school of
Speaker 3: my choosing, and and so that's going to happen.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's.
Speaker 3: Virtually unavoidable at this point. And so when the school
Speaker 3: is not allowed to know about this, we don't they're
Speaker 3: not going to create collectives like they do at the
Speaker 3: college level, and so the coach is not going to
Speaker 3: supposedly know about it, the athletic director, the school administrator
Speaker 3: is not going to know about it, and so they're
Speaker 3: going to have a hands on approach. You're going to
Speaker 3: have a I believe, a recruiting war based on who
Speaker 3: has alumni that are wealthy enough to affect who attends
Speaker 3: what school.
Speaker 1: But isn't that going on now?
Speaker 2: How?
Speaker 1: I remember stories when I went to high school and
Speaker 1: presumably you as well. What they're schools right now. I
Speaker 1: won't name anybody in particular, but their schools now tend
Speaker 1: to be more private and Christian. But they do this now. Well,
Speaker 1: they'll take, you know, bring the family in, they recruit
Speaker 1: an athlete and they'll put them up for free, like
Speaker 1: like in housing. And so it's going on now.
Speaker 3: Well, I agree there is recruiting going on now, and
Speaker 3: yet it's not supposed to happen, and it's supposed to
Speaker 3: be investigated by OHSAA. I don't think that they can
Speaker 3: handle it. It's beyond their stripe and so this will
Speaker 3: just make it worse, It will exacerbate it, and there
Speaker 3: will be a recruiting war to create all star teams
Speaker 3: based on who has wealthy alumni that are willing to
Speaker 3: take their school down that path. And I just think
Speaker 3: we see how this has ruined college athletics, and it's
Speaker 3: going to have the same impact at high school.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if it ruined it. What we're
Speaker 1: in flux right now. I think that's the thing. And
Speaker 1: what's college and athletics look like in five or ten
Speaker 1: years will be the question. We don't know, because it's again,
Speaker 1: it's changing so quickly before eyes. It seems like it's
Speaker 1: broken right now, but it may not be ultimately. If
Speaker 1: you're a student or the parents of a student, shouldn't
Speaker 1: you be able to profit off someone's namage? And like
Speaker 1: the why? Why why is the money? Why is it
Speaker 1: a bad thing? I mean, I guess the team unity
Speaker 1: and things, but you know, let's face it, we have
Speaker 1: we have kids who are poor playing sports with kids
Speaker 1: who are rich and kids you know have you know,
Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars cars and the other kids got to
Speaker 1: walk to practice. So we already have that disparity. That's
Speaker 1: nothing new.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not opposed to kids making money off of
Speaker 3: their ability. But if they want to do that, they
Speaker 3: ought to go to the Olympics, they have to join
Speaker 3: a professional tour. They ought to go go get enrolled
Speaker 3: in college early and get college in IL money. But
Speaker 3: we want to protect what has been a pure amateur
Speaker 3: situation in Ohio high school. And and you know that's
Speaker 3: you see what it's happening. Like, let's use the University
Speaker 3: of Cincinnati Bearcat quarterback who just transferred to I think
Speaker 3: it was Texas Tech. He didn't transfer for a better
Speaker 3: educational opportunity or a better major. He transferred because that
Speaker 3: other school was willing to offer him five million dollars
Speaker 3: And he's going to make more next year than the
Speaker 3: Cleveland Browns starting quarterback over his entire five year contracts.
Speaker 3: And this is this is to just continue to take
Speaker 3: us down the wrong path.
Speaker 1: Well should we be celebrating? I mean I look at
Speaker 1: that and go wow, good for that kid. That's like
Speaker 1: getting a full ride scholarship to Harvard I suppose. And
Speaker 1: the educational side of this thing, and we don't look
Speaker 1: at that going oh, grey, well, this kid's doing really well.
Speaker 1: Or you know they're there kids that win science fairs
Speaker 1: and the company goes and buys their ideas. We celebrate that.
Speaker 1: I don't distinct make that much potential in that and
Speaker 1: what's going on in sports.
Speaker 3: I guess, well, I guess we may have to disagree
Speaker 3: on that, Scott, because I believe that we need to
Speaker 3: protect our students from agents. We need to protect our
Speaker 3: students from tax advisors. We need to protect our students
Speaker 3: just like we do in child labor laws. We protect them.
Speaker 3: And this is the people are going to come after them.
Speaker 3: They're not ready psychologically or mentally to handle this kind
Speaker 3: of pressure. We've seen how over the last a couple
Speaker 3: of decades it's the number of suicide among college athletes
Speaker 3: is doubled. And so we need to protect them from
Speaker 3: this kind of pressure, protect them from becoming some kind
Speaker 3: of influencer, and they should be there to learn and
Speaker 3: grow and not to earn an income.
Speaker 1: Represent of Adam Bird out of Clement County of the
Speaker 1: show proposing to stop nil for high school athletes here
Speaker 1: in the Buckey States, CO sponsored that piece of legislation.
Speaker 1: You know, I look at this and okay, name age
Speaker 1: in life. I don't know how much your typical high
Speaker 1: school athlete's going to get, if anything, it could be
Speaker 1: like fifty bucks or something like that, because most schools
Speaker 1: in Ohio are rural and maybe I don't know, there's
Speaker 1: a local oil change place goes okay, fine, we'll give you.
Speaker 1: I don't give you like one hundred bucks a month.
Speaker 1: It's that that big a concern because I would dig typically.
Speaker 1: You know, you mentioned the outliers, the kids making millions
Speaker 1: of dollars, which are it's extremely rare. But if a
Speaker 1: kid does get one of these things, it's only going
Speaker 1: to be for a little bit of money. Anyway. Is
Speaker 1: this a you know, killing an aunt with a sledgehammer?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think. I mean, you made some assumptions there,
Speaker 3: and I'm I'm going to push back on you a
Speaker 3: little bit. I don't think that you can just assume
Speaker 3: that it's going to be fifty dollars. I don't think
Speaker 3: that you can assume that's going to happen in rural areas.
Speaker 3: I think the rich will get richer so to speak,
Speaker 3: when it comes to talent at certain schools. And you know,
Speaker 3: it should not become a bidding war, a recruiting war
Speaker 3: based on money. It should be about, you know, where
Speaker 3: it's the best educational choice. Option for my child so
Speaker 3: they can grow and be ready to contribute to society.
Speaker 3: And so we're trying to protect the children. We're trying
Speaker 3: to protect the school opportunity, and we don't want this
Speaker 3: to become a recruiting war based on money, the way
Speaker 3: it's happened in college.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think too, it's already become that. And if
Speaker 1: you're to go back, I think the problem is mom
Speaker 1: and dad have leaned into this themselves in a sense.
Speaker 1: Is that okay, in banning the n will be one thing,
Speaker 1: but to really address the root costs of the problem.
Speaker 1: And you said, you know this is about amateur sports.
Speaker 1: I don't know how amateur it is. When you have
Speaker 1: you know, trainers and coaches and agents and you're not
Speaker 1: you can't ban that. The competition from you know, youth
Speaker 1: on to get in a travel league, to get in
Speaker 1: this to are pushed to have a calling to play
Speaker 1: a particular sport or sports. And of course, the more
Speaker 1: mom and dad invest in their athletic career, the more
Speaker 1: that they see as at stake. And a lot of
Speaker 1: parents think wrongly so that their kid's going to get
Speaker 1: a college scholarship and go play professional sports when odds
Speaker 1: are you know, very very much against Rocky Boyman could
Speaker 1: talk about how hard that is here on seven hundred
Speaker 1: WW this afternoon, But I look at it and go, well,
Speaker 1: you know, if this is about the semantics of education
Speaker 1: putting that first, didn't mom and dad throw that out
Speaker 1: the window a long time ago?
Speaker 3: Well, there's no doubt that mom and dad are spending
Speaker 3: a lot of money on their children's travel team. And
Speaker 3: you know, if you're going to add in there and
Speaker 3: a presumption now that mom and dad are investing all
Speaker 3: of this money in your travel team and your travel
Speaker 3: opportunity right that now you're going to help reimburse mom
Speaker 3: and dad based on what you might be able to earn.
Speaker 3: I think that's tremendous pressure on a young person that
Speaker 3: we don't want.
Speaker 1: And again, but it's happening. I know it's happening right now.
Speaker 3: Well, no, and IL is not happening right now. Kids
Speaker 3: are not getting paid right now. And OSSCA would like
Speaker 3: to take us down this path. And may I remind
Speaker 3: you Scott that they are only doing this because one
Speaker 3: judge in Hamilton County issued or ruling and so they
Speaker 3: made a change. And I don't think that we should
Speaker 3: take the entire state of Ohio down this path because
Speaker 3: one judge and Franklin County made this decision, and I
Speaker 3: believe that this is an important enough issue that the
Speaker 3: state legislator should weigh in on this. And if my
Speaker 3: colleagues decides that I'm wrong, then at least we considered it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's fair.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 1: I mentioned it's happening now in the sense that you know,
Speaker 1: their schools even before this NIL deal was struck, that
Speaker 1: we're essentially paying the parents to come move here and
Speaker 1: stay of getting their district and go to school academies
Speaker 1: and things like that. I mean, it is happening now.
Speaker 1: It's also happening that you know, there's tremendous pressure for kids,
Speaker 1: not just in the athletics, but especially academics, as you mentioned,
Speaker 1: where kids a suicide rate and the mental health issues
Speaker 1: among college students out of all time high, simply because
Speaker 1: of that pressure that's put on them by people in
Speaker 1: there inner circle name their own families. I don't know
Speaker 1: if NAL's it probably will contribute to that somewhat, but
Speaker 1: that's already the reality for a lot of college students.
Speaker 1: Whether there's student athletes or not.
Speaker 3: Well, there's there's scientific data out there that show that
Speaker 3: college athletes are committing suicide at double the rate that
Speaker 3: they work twenty five years. Again, that is a scientific fact.
Speaker 3: And we are putting tremendous pressure on these people at
Speaker 3: age nineteen, twenty twenty one. And I don't think that
Speaker 3: we should do that to fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen year olds.
Speaker 3: And we're trying to protect our children from people who
Speaker 3: want to come down and take advantage of them based
Speaker 3: on their athletic skills. And we need to protect our
Speaker 3: kids from these kinds of people that want to come
Speaker 3: in and take advantage of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and okay, it's double where it was, but the
Speaker 1: suicide rates for college students who aren't student athletes are
Speaker 1: paced up there. It went up like something like sixty
Speaker 1: percent over the last twenty years. That's increasing at the
Speaker 1: same ratio. And so it's not student athletes. It's all
Speaker 1: college students, and that is because of the tremendous pressure
Speaker 1: we put on college students, not let alone those who
Speaker 1: are student athletes. It's all college models. The problem is
Speaker 1: that we think the way to you know, having a
Speaker 1: perfect life is to go to college. We know that's
Speaker 1: that true. We're starting to rethink those whole things. It's about,
Speaker 1: you know, the person themselves, as opposed to the degree
Speaker 1: that you're having on the wall. We've overvalued college education
Speaker 1: and we're starting to see that come back down, and
Speaker 1: I think the athletic part certainly fits into that. I
Speaker 1: agree with you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know this bill is about returning the
Speaker 3: the OHSAA amateur status law to what it used to be.
Speaker 3: I don't want to micromanage OHSAA. I don't want to
Speaker 3: oversee their every move, but I do think that we
Speaker 3: need to say no, we're going to move backwards. And
Speaker 3: I might remind you to Scott that we have done
Speaker 3: this twice in the past when it comes to transcender
Speaker 3: eligibility and the state legislature said no, we're going to
Speaker 3: protect our girls. We also said no to OAHSAA a
Speaker 3: couple of years ago on the issue cash when you
Speaker 3: attend the game, and we require them to accept cash
Speaker 3: when you.
Speaker 2: Want to enter.
Speaker 1: Isn't this going to create a black market again? I
Speaker 1: mean it existed before. There's schools out there that were
Speaker 1: doing this long before. Nil Adam Bird that we're recruiting
Speaker 1: kids from different districts or held different states of that matter,
Speaker 1: finding jobs for mom and or dad, putting up at places,
Speaker 1: and essentially they're getting de facto payment, maybe not cash,
Speaker 1: and maybe some walking around money from the booster's life
Speaker 1: for very powerful schools, not necessarily public schools, private schools.
Speaker 1: How would that apply to the how to fix it?
Speaker 1: Wouldn't this just create a black market? They just go
Speaker 1: back to the way they've voiced done it, and then
Speaker 1: you still have.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know that there's there's been that kind
Speaker 3: of situation. Maybe there has and I'm not been aware
Speaker 3: of it. Lady mom or dad. Yeah, so you know,
Speaker 3: I don't think that we should I don't think that
Speaker 3: we should add to that. Again, this is about protecting
Speaker 3: our kids from a situation that they're not prepared for.
Speaker 3: You we're talking about teenagers here. They're talking about teenagers
Speaker 3: that's going to need a tax advisor, They're going to
Speaker 3: need an agent, they're going to be entering into contracts,
Speaker 3: and you've got to be careful about protecting our young
Speaker 3: people from the people that want to take advantage of them.
Speaker 1: Now, well, I think they also get some if they're
Speaker 1: getting big money, they're getting some of those too. It's
Speaker 1: not like they're complete victims. Well, I mean the composition's
Speaker 1: pretty good.
Speaker 3: I want to do that if you want. If you're
Speaker 3: so uber talented that you're capable of taking advantage of
Speaker 3: the athletic giftedness, then you need to go to the Olympics.
Speaker 3: You need to go to a tour, a professional tour.
Speaker 3: You need to go to college early and go Aaron College.
Speaker 2: And I owe money.
Speaker 1: You mentioned the protection thing, so doesn't that I mentioned
Speaker 1: the model that existed for a long time where at
Speaker 1: private schools that they do this. I don't know how
Speaker 1: how often it does, but it still has happening right
Speaker 1: now as a matter of fact, where you have, you know,
Speaker 1: kids recruited from other areas to move back to the
Speaker 1: district in order to play for their team, and then
Speaker 1: of course the family winklink is taken care of. How
Speaker 1: would this protect them?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean you point out that recruiting is
Speaker 3: happening today and yet OHSAA deems that are legal, and
Speaker 3: so recruiting happens anyway. And I don't think that they're
Speaker 3: going to be able to police the situation that they're
Speaker 3: putting in place here, and they're not going to be
Speaker 3: able to investigate all of that. You're going to put
Speaker 3: You're going to put now a burden upon the school administrator,
Speaker 3: the athletic director of the coach to help police this,
Speaker 3: to make it to inform OHSAA on these kinds of things.
Speaker 3: And I just we're opening a can of worms that
Speaker 3: I don't think is the reason why the public tax
Speaker 3: payer pays or weight rooms, stadiums, gymnasiums so that they
Speaker 3: can have an extension of the classroom. And now we're
Speaker 3: going to allow people to take advantage of these young
Speaker 3: children that well they're not young children, but they you know,
Speaker 3: they're not of age, and take advantage of them based
Speaker 3: on facilities that have been sent by the text player.
Speaker 1: Adam final point is is this a nanny state issue?
Speaker 1: Does this feels like nanny state to me?
Speaker 3: Well, I think we have a duty. Okay, we have
Speaker 3: a duty and responsibility as a government to protect our children.
Speaker 3: And we've got people that want to use the situation
Speaker 3: to take advantage.
Speaker 1: But my point is if the parents are okay and
Speaker 1: they lean into this, going wow, I've got the next
Speaker 1: year borrow here, we can get some money, Well, how
Speaker 1: is it? Why is it the state's obligation to protect
Speaker 1: that child from their own family.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we do this all the time. And you know,
Speaker 3: we can talk about multiple examples of how we try
Speaker 3: to protect children and and so you know, it's again,
Speaker 3: they're not emotionally stable, they're not ready for the kinds
Speaker 3: of pressure that we're going to place upon them. And
Speaker 3: we want to protect the reason that we created these
Speaker 3: athletics in a first place, which is an extension of
Speaker 3: the classroom. It's not it should not be, I believe,
Speaker 3: and I hope to convince my college league that it
Speaker 3: should not be about allowing these young people to be
Speaker 3: preyed upon. We went and protect them and preserve what
Speaker 3: we've had in the past.
Speaker 1: Are you hearing a lot from constituents supporting it or
Speaker 1: is it just simply too early?
Speaker 3: You know, mostly I think people constituents are listening and learning.
Speaker 3: But who I'm hearing mostly from our school administrators and
Speaker 3: coaches who are very much opposed to this. And remember
Speaker 3: that there were a couple of hundred schools who have
Speaker 3: stained from this vote. They did not want to go
Speaker 3: down this vote. Others have told me that they didn't
Speaker 3: want to vote yes, but they voted yes because they
Speaker 3: felt strong armed by OHSAA. So most of the people
Speaker 3: that I'm hearing from are those that are actually in
Speaker 3: the school community.
Speaker 1: Now they're worried about this Jimy Brown laws that's going Hey,
Speaker 1: you know, win in violation of that. It's going to
Speaker 1: cost us a lot more money. We just acquiesced, even
Speaker 1: though we think it's wrong. But no, I'm interested to
Speaker 1: see Adam how this thing plays out. I appreciate coming
Speaker 1: on this morn and answered tough questions, and we'll continue
Speaker 1: the discussion probably at the other date. Add Richmond, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: Adam bird out in New Richmond, claimout Conney, thanks again,
Speaker 1: but I appreciate coming on absolutely. Scott, thanks, thank be
Speaker 1: well be well. I've got to get a news update in.
Speaker 1: I'm sure this story has legs. Yeah, I'm not convinced
Speaker 1: this is this is the remedy. But anyway, quick time out.
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Speaker 1: braving the weather and warmer climates. How are you good, lying?
Speaker 4: I am fantastic good.
Speaker 1: We've often talked in the past about well, for example,
Speaker 1: the CEO and the CFO that we're you know, at
Speaker 1: the at the at the concert and then they were
Speaker 1: banging and they got probably got fire. They had resigned.
Speaker 1: It was a big ugly thing. And also we've had
Speaker 1: people posting stuff on social media that's gotten them fired.
Speaker 1: We know the boundaries there. There's a local case here.
Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit different though. This guy's
Speaker 1: a mail carry out of Fairfield. Jason Thompson has been
Speaker 1: a mail care for more than two decades. They put
Speaker 1: him on leave after the last big snowstorm because he
Speaker 1: posted his frustrations on Facebook about working in conditions that
Speaker 1: were not optimal, and they said, hey, they showed up.
Speaker 1: They're no trucks, there's nothing to deliver. But they wanted
Speaker 1: us to dig out our trucks by hand without any
Speaker 1: equipment to do so. I'm sixty years old. I'm not
Speaker 1: in the best shape, you know, I'm sixty. Everything hurts
Speaker 1: at this age. I get you. They plowed a lot,
Speaker 1: but pushed all the snow up against the trucks they
Speaker 1: were supposed to dig this alid by hand. And he
Speaker 1: complained about this on Facebook during this level two snow
Speaker 1: emergency that we had, and the end result is the
Speaker 1: postal Service pulled him off the job for a little
Speaker 1: bit of time, I think a few hours anyway, before
Speaker 1: the union got involved. But you know, this feels like
Speaker 1: a whistleblower thing to me as opposed to an actual,
Speaker 1: you know, doing something stupid on social media. How does
Speaker 1: this work in the real world in the workplace.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we've talked to I think we've referenced this,
Speaker 4: but there is there are so many cases winding their
Speaker 4: way through the system right now of people who were
Speaker 4: fired for posts on their private social media and the
Speaker 4: courts were you know, it is. It is a mess
Speaker 4: right now in terms of what really does violate your
Speaker 4: company's code of conduct or ethics or contract or whatever
Speaker 4: it is when you post it. And you know, I
Speaker 4: can give you points on both sides as why it's
Speaker 4: from or why it's right, but in this case, it's
Speaker 4: interesting he simply posted this is unsafe, this is dangerous,
Speaker 4: this is unsafe, and you know, like you said, they
Speaker 4: they put them on leave for a few hours. Then
Speaker 4: the union got involved, or the post office realized, oops,
Speaker 4: you know, we're not going to win in the court
Speaker 4: of public opinion here, or we don't have a leg
Speaker 4: to stand on, and so we need we need to
Speaker 4: put the genie back in the bottle if we can.
Speaker 4: And you know, if I was thinking about this, can
Speaker 4: you know this whole rain or sleet or even snow
Speaker 4: that we.
Speaker 1: That's not true anymore?
Speaker 4: What are so used to looking outside and the mailman's
Speaker 4: trudging through two or three feet of snow, And but
Speaker 4: I start thinking about the mail I get in my
Speaker 4: mailbox every day because so much is available online. I'm
Speaker 4: not gonna I'm not going to miss the flyer for
Speaker 4: a window replace if it doesn't deliver for a day
Speaker 4: or two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, a couple of generations ago. You go
Speaker 1: to the mailbox, Oh, I got bills, I got a
Speaker 1: I got two dollars from Aunt Dorothy for my birthday.
Speaker 1: I got that doesn't happy give out to the mailbox.
Speaker 1: It's depressing because ninety nine percent of its trash and
Speaker 1: the other they are bills. Like, I don't want to
Speaker 1: go to my mailbox anyways. It's a box of depression.
Speaker 4: Julie, but you know, like you said, us be the
Speaker 4: highlight of the day. I remember we used to get
Speaker 4: when I was grown up. We got the newspaper in
Speaker 4: the morning and the newspaper in the evening, and like
Speaker 4: so much had changed during the day, but it was
Speaker 4: like we would go oud look for it because it
Speaker 4: was our only source, the only way we got bills.
Speaker 4: We got that card from Aunt Martha, and we understood
Speaker 4: what was happening. And so the world has changed so much,
Speaker 4: and I understand that that, especially if you're older, you
Speaker 4: still may as I am, but I don't. I get
Speaker 4: most everything online, and I get that service from the
Speaker 4: post office, which is wonderful that tells you what's coming
Speaker 4: in your mail and so you can see it online
Speaker 4: what's coming before it shows up. So the world has
Speaker 4: changed in terms of how we get information, and so
Speaker 4: I think it's time as we look at this what
Speaker 4: makes sense. It's not what makes sense in terms of
Speaker 4: employee safety. What makes sense in terms of you know,
Speaker 4: what the people expect, And there's very little we can't
Speaker 4: live a day without, especially when we get so much
Speaker 4: paperless anymore. So I think it's you know, in this space,
Speaker 4: I'm like, come on, the guy expressed his opinion, his opinion,
Speaker 4: and I think clearly they looked at it and said, Okay,
Speaker 4: you know we're not going to win here, because if
Speaker 4: you're being asked to dig your time out by hand
Speaker 4: give to take people their advertisements, there's something I think
Speaker 4: they need to purse my personal opinions. They need to
Speaker 4: step back and take a look at what are the expectations.
Speaker 4: I know there's been talk about limiting the mail to
Speaker 4: three days a week. You know, all those sort of
Speaker 4: things have been talked about, and we will get there someday.
Speaker 4: But I think when you look at your people and
Speaker 4: clearly they have a union for this, that's reasonable. You know,
Speaker 4: if the whole town is shut down, if Kroger is
Speaker 4: shut down, I think we've got to look at reasonableness
Speaker 4: instead of standing on this rain, sleep, snow, hurricane. You
Speaker 4: know you will get your advertising.
Speaker 1: I don't think, honestly, I don't think that's the way.
Speaker 1: I mean, moneys don't. We didn't get mail at our house,
Speaker 1: A mailman didn't, and a jeep I don't think that.
Speaker 1: I think that hole in the rain are still seats now.
Speaker 1: I think it's like if we get you most days
Speaker 1: of the week. We're good. I think I think the
Speaker 1: model's changed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and not.
Speaker 1: Only that's I'll point out to Julie in this case,
Speaker 1: he said, there are no trucks coming to drop stuff up.
Speaker 1: We had nothing to deliver. They're just making us clean
Speaker 1: our trucks out, to clean our trucks out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I'm sure it was. Well, we're
Speaker 4: paying you, we're going to have you do something right. Well, Susan,
Speaker 4: what case is leadership or whatever you want to call it,
Speaker 4: We'll just call it loosely leadership of organizations. And the
Speaker 4: more you know, it's a government organization, right, and so
Speaker 4: there's not generally a lot of agility or a lot
Speaker 4: of thinking around is what we're doing still makes sense.
Speaker 4: And believe it is not just government organizations. It is many, many,
Speaker 4: many that are really stuck in this is the way
Speaker 4: we've always done it. And that is that's really dangerous
Speaker 4: because you can't. You've got to keep up. Whether you
Speaker 4: agree or not with what's going on in the world,
Speaker 4: you have to keep up if you expect to attract
Speaker 4: and retake retain good people. And this generation, these people
Speaker 4: you're trying to attract to take on these mail routes.
Speaker 3: They're not going to do that.
Speaker 4: And again, rin your hands, clutch your hurls. But you
Speaker 4: can't argue against what is. And so what can you
Speaker 4: do to change your environment, change the culture, change the expectations.
Speaker 4: And if you are in a situation where it is
Speaker 4: a real disaster for you if you miss your mail
Speaker 4: for one day. You have someone who's who's pretty adept
Speaker 4: at technology, have them help you learn how to do
Speaker 4: things online, do things paperless. Right, It's I mean, it's yeah,
Speaker 4: there's a little bit of a learning curve if you're
Speaker 4: not used to that, but it's going to reduce the anxiety.
Speaker 4: And people are even send your birthday cards by my
Speaker 4: text now.
Speaker 1: So right, you just get a text happy Birthday with
Speaker 1: some emojis. Good enough, She Julie Balki Our career Sure
Speaker 1: up every Wednesday morning on the Scots Slone show. Today
Speaker 1: it's about this Fairfield postal worker that got suspended for
Speaker 1: a little bit because he posted pictures of them having
Speaker 1: to digular on trucks of a lot and so that
Speaker 1: we don't do that. It's like and I'm older and
Speaker 1: it's like they didn't give us any shovels and the
Speaker 1: snow is really high and we're not delivering stuff anyway.
Speaker 1: With that was the plant of this because he saw
Speaker 1: it as a safety issue. Is that the distinction here?
Speaker 1: I mean, you post, you bleep, post stuff about your employer,
Speaker 1: You're probably going to get talked to. You make it
Speaker 1: yelled at, you make get suspended, you might get fired.
Speaker 1: But if it's a safety issue, is that different.
Speaker 4: I think it's harder to it's harder to make it
Speaker 4: stand up if you are asking someone to do something
Speaker 4: that you know that literally they're saying to everyone, stay
Speaker 4: at home, stay off the roads, just just for your safety,
Speaker 4: you know, don't don't get out there. You have to
Speaker 4: look at what is what the community at large is
Speaker 4: being asked to do, what the school's doing where I
Speaker 4: mean companies were. I mean you have to look at
Speaker 4: what's reasonable inside of that instead of taking a stand
Speaker 4: and saying no, you know, get out there and clean
Speaker 4: off your vehicle. It's I mean, be treat your people
Speaker 4: like the humans they are. If you have bad performance
Speaker 4: or bad behavior, that's one thing. But if somebody, if
Speaker 4: somebody raises what could reasonably be called a safety issue,
Speaker 4: I think you have to instead of just responding and
Speaker 4: saying you're suspended, you have to step back and say,
Speaker 4: you know, so and so raised a good issue. We
Speaker 4: you know, will take a step back and look at this,
Speaker 4: and you know this this I'm I'm a leader, I'm
Speaker 4: your boss, I know the best, do what I do,
Speaker 4: what I tell you to do. That style is not
Speaker 4: working anymore. And again, if you don't like it, sorry,
Speaker 4: but it's it's just the way it is, and there's
Speaker 4: got to be some room for flexibility and reasonableness.
Speaker 1: Now we only know part of the story here too.
Speaker 1: It could very well if that person went to management
Speaker 1: and said this is well, why are we doing it?
Speaker 1: And that's to shut up and do it anyway, then
Speaker 1: that's valid. But if they, instead of complaining, decided to
Speaker 1: put pictures up on social media, they may have a
Speaker 1: legitimate compliant. Does that change things?
Speaker 4: I mean maybe, because people.
Speaker 1: Often will jump to social media's for you know all
Speaker 1: escalator rightther and going hey, what about the you know,
Speaker 1: the passive aggressive thing. So many people now are passive
Speaker 1: aggressed of like, well, why wouldn't you just tell me
Speaker 1: that this is a problem instead of going and making
Speaker 1: a big deal out if you had asked me, I
Speaker 1: would go, hey, maybe you're right about what what happened,
Speaker 1: just you know, communicating communication. We don't know if that
Speaker 1: happen here though, we.
Speaker 4: Don't know, we don't And I think it's you've got
Speaker 4: to look at this and say this Probably going to
Speaker 4: the leadership at the local level and saying this makes
Speaker 4: no sense is probably not going to get to anywhere.
Speaker 4: Let's be honest. I mean, maybe the union as a
Speaker 4: whole could take this to the table, into the conversation.
Speaker 4: But we are seeing and this is not always good,
Speaker 4: but we are seeing that public pressure has a really
Speaker 4: strong impact on companies, on humans, that we're seeing it
Speaker 4: in every sector of society. And again, you know, it's
Speaker 4: sometimes it's so cringey and other times like yeah, I
Speaker 4: mean once, once your bad behavior was put into the
Speaker 4: into the spotlight, you had to change your behavior because
Speaker 4: you weren't going to do it any other way. So
Speaker 4: we're seeing that play out in real time in every
Speaker 4: sector of life. So I'm actually not surprised if they
Speaker 4: said see you later and then they you know, and
Speaker 4: then they said, oops, never mind, come back to work.
Speaker 4: So this is something that someone has to be the
Speaker 4: one to surface the problem, and then the power the
Speaker 4: people that have the power have to decide or get
Speaker 4: to decide. I guess what to do about it. And
Speaker 4: they might say go back to work, but don't ever
Speaker 4: do that again or you'll get fired. They might say that,
Speaker 4: you know, and but it's social media gives us incredible power,
Speaker 4: and it's sometimes used for good and it's sometimes not
Speaker 4: so much. And that's all that's I would say, I'm
Speaker 4: so glad it wasn't the thing when I was Wow.
Speaker 1: So it's always changing. That's that's the nature of it. Children. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in that regard, I look as go, okay, well, so
Speaker 1: what's the take away from someone working right now? I
Speaker 1: was like, well, this thing at work? Should I put
Speaker 1: something up online? I mean, what, what's what should be
Speaker 1: the checklist in your mind for stuff like this?
Speaker 4: If I post this is what I think all the
Speaker 4: time about what I post.
Speaker 3: Okay, what's the worst.
Speaker 4: Thing that could happen now when we are in our emotions,
Speaker 4: when we are feeling like this is wrong and I
Speaker 4: got to tell the world about it. If we don't
Speaker 4: take that extra step to sit back and say, okay,
Speaker 4: I want to post this. If you're really strongly about it.
Speaker 4: What's the worst thing that could happen? In this case,
Speaker 4: he might have said, I could lose my job. Is
Speaker 4: it worth losing my job for? And he might have
Speaker 4: said heck yes, Or he might've not even had that
Speaker 4: extra thought. He might have just an other world needs
Speaker 4: to know about this. So thinking about the downside before
Speaker 4: you post, and then decide, am I okay? Like if
Speaker 4: you post something and what if this goes What if
Speaker 4: this goes viral? What if all of a sudden, you know,
Speaker 4: tens of thousands of people are posting this and coming
Speaker 4: in and give my giving my business a one star review?
Speaker 6: I live with that.
Speaker 4: So you really have to imagine am I always going
Speaker 4: to be proud of what I posted? Am I going
Speaker 4: to be willing to defend it? And so that we
Speaker 4: see examples of this everywhere where you think what were
Speaker 4: you thinking? That goes through my head so many times
Speaker 4: a day when I see things people post like what what?
Speaker 4: What is the thinking here? And a lot of times
Speaker 4: there isn't any thinking, And the other time maybe there is.
Speaker 4: And I don't care what people you know, I don't
Speaker 4: care what kind of backlash I get to. You get
Speaker 4: to decide that. But then you have to live with
Speaker 4: the consequences of what you do.
Speaker 1: Is it tend to be more generational because I think,
Speaker 1: you know, younger people, there is the time my daughter's
Speaker 1: posted stuff and going take that stupid what are you doing?
Speaker 1: You're going to You're not thinking of the implications of this,
Speaker 1: you know, and you'll go, yeah, yeah, you know, you're right,
Speaker 1: Well I feel this way. Well, just because you feel
Speaker 1: that way doesn't mean you know, you're employer could look
Speaker 1: at this and go, yeah, we got some problems right there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can exercise your First Amendment rights, but it is
Speaker 1: not an absolute right that you have. There are limits
Speaker 1: in your eployer. If it's your employer, you got problems there.
Speaker 1: On the other hand, you know, we often talk about
Speaker 1: especially the older workers, and I think you know, when
Speaker 1: we start talking about term limits for presidents, be it
Speaker 1: you know, seventy or seventy five, whoever it might be,
Speaker 1: I think that's a good idea because the older you get,
Speaker 1: the more out of touch you get with the with
Speaker 1: the current state of values, and it's always changing. It's
Speaker 1: never don't give me this, it's the way it used
Speaker 1: to be. It's never going to happen America is always
Speaker 1: changing for that reason, so as we get older, we
Speaker 1: get less in touch with what the current zeitgeis to
Speaker 1: the current fields are, or the the way the direction
Speaker 1: the country's headed or or communities headed. That's just natural.
Speaker 1: It's always happened, happened when we were well, we didn't
Speaker 1: have this when we were younger. Yeah we did. It
Speaker 1: was just it's not as extreme or different than this
Speaker 1: because our parents and grandparents bitched about how stuff was
Speaker 1: when they were kids, and then we just looked at
Speaker 1: them and all, please stop. And it's that's the way
Speaker 1: we evolve in America. And so I think the same
Speaker 1: thing is here too, is that. Yeah, maybe younger people
Speaker 1: not thinking about it, But then there's older people that
Speaker 1: are putting stuff up there. They are saying things that
Speaker 1: wind up getting in trouble for because they think this
Speaker 1: is the way it used to be and it's not anymore.
Speaker 1: So I think the two ends of the spectrum are
Speaker 1: the reality.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And you know, it's when you get older you
Speaker 4: don't sometimes really understand how it works. How There was
Speaker 4: this case, this thing recently that happened a furniture store
Speaker 4: in Clarkfield, Tennessee.
Speaker 6: The guy's wife.
Speaker 4: Posted something really horrible and like everybody who shows up
Speaker 4: to a protest deserves to be shot. I mean it
Speaker 4: was like it was that that like direct and guess
Speaker 4: what the backlash against his furniture store, their furniture store,
Speaker 4: even though it was the wife and I don't know
Speaker 4: how involved he all, but the backlash was and he
Speaker 4: came out there and tried to quell it. But I'm
Speaker 4: sure I'm sure she's mortified that she's Look, she still
Speaker 4: may think that way, but I'm sure she's mortified that
Speaker 4: she posted it and put it out there in public,
Speaker 4: because I don't think and these people are probably in
Speaker 4: their fifties, I would guess, so just we don't think
Speaker 4: about we get so in our own bubble that we
Speaker 4: don't think about how the person who thinks one hundred
Speaker 4: and eighty degrees differently than we do, all they might
Speaker 4: respond to this, and what the backlash might be.
Speaker 1: And extremes are I Matt, with extremes, that's the that's
Speaker 1: the probable. And you know what's really weird about that story.
Speaker 1: It was in where the Carolinas, I think, and you know,
Speaker 1: I'm sure the woman's mortified. She canna be more mortified
Speaker 1: when she's got to live out of her car because
Speaker 1: they're gonna close that store. Is there's a furniture store
Speaker 1: I think in Northern Kentucky or Kentucky that had the
Speaker 1: same name, and people were dosing that store and guys like,
Speaker 1: that's that's not We're not the same company, and I'm
Speaker 1: not the same guy. And so you know, people just
Speaker 1: lob handgrid at each other now without even getting it right.
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Speaker 1: With news on the way in five minutes, full forecast
Speaker 1: coming up in just seconds. Here I also get into
Speaker 1: and just talking this out with you is the latest
Speaker 1: on the Nancy Guthrie abduction. Because this is something you
Speaker 1: just don't see anymore. You used to see it more often,
Speaker 1: and you don't see it anymore. And that is allegedly
Speaker 1: the ransom. What so the dynamics behind this to me
Speaker 1: are fast. And I was talking to a law enforcement
Speaker 1: professional who she'll rename be named nameless. I guess I
Speaker 1: should say, I talk for a living, don't worry about it,
Speaker 1: and it's some interesting stuff they pointed out you may
Speaker 1: not think of when it comes to trying to find
Speaker 1: out the person responsible. Of course, bring this lady back alive.
Speaker 1: That's on the way after news on seven hundred WW
Speaker 1: since now five thousand dollars that's the average amount of
Speaker 1: money people in the Scott's loan. This is seven hundred
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Speaker 1: Baby almost made it, almost made it to the tipping point.
Speaker 1: So much going on in our world, but also this,
Speaker 1: this is one of those things that you look at
Speaker 1: and it's just a horrible sit situation obviously, but I
Speaker 1: think we're all fascinated to some degree by it. And
Speaker 1: of course talk about the disappearance of Notre Dame Academy
Speaker 1: alumni Nancy Guthrie, the mother eighty four year old mother
Speaker 1: of NBC's Savannah Guthrie. And people I know that work
Speaker 1: for NBC who have an after an interactor, they said,
Speaker 1: she is the real deal, Like Savannah Guthrie is one
Speaker 1: of the nicest persons, the nicest people in broadcasting. And
Speaker 1: of course even if you're not, do you deserve your
Speaker 1: eighty four year old mother to suddenly become missing. I mean,
Speaker 1: here's Savannah Guthrie is supposedly going to go to Italy
Speaker 1: for the Olympics, and now she's not going to be
Speaker 1: able to do that because her priorities as such as
Speaker 1: her mom is missing and she's got to be there
Speaker 1: for her. So she's in Arizona. The very latest on this,
Speaker 1: we do know that her Nancy Guthrie's DNA or blood
Speaker 1: was found at the scene, namely in the front near
Speaker 1: the front door. Police do heavy what they think is
Speaker 1: a ransom note, but they're not sure it's real. I
Speaker 1: don't know what that means in evidence, of course, indicating
Speaker 1: she was removed against her will, and it's not dementia related.
Speaker 1: Why said she just simply physically has not been able
Speaker 1: to walk like fifty yards. But she's sharp as attack mentally,
Speaker 1: which we all hope to be at her age. And
Speaker 1: of course the narrative about kidnapping comes first and foremost,
Speaker 1: because that's what it feels and smells like. But it
Speaker 1: is getting increasingly more common, and I shouldn't say common,
Speaker 1: that's an exaggeration. But there was a time in America
Speaker 1: where ransom kidnappings happened all the time. If you go
Speaker 1: back to like the nineteen twenties and thirties, it was
Speaker 1: big back then. And in nineteen thirty two, Charles Lindbergh's
Speaker 1: baby was kidnapped. I'm sure you know that story. He
Speaker 1: is twenty months old and was taken later found dead,
Speaker 1: and Bruno Hopman, of course, was the individual controversially executed
Speaker 1: for his abduction and murder, and there's some controversy surrounding
Speaker 1: that they got the wrong guy. But nonetheless, what happened
Speaker 1: in thirty two. Up till thirty two, it happened all
Speaker 1: the time. People in Cincinnati were getting kidnapped, and not
Speaker 1: for as much money as you would think, just because
Speaker 1: they would do it. And so what happened in thirty two,
Speaker 1: because it gripped the nation, the Feds got involved and
Speaker 1: they made kidnapping a federal crime, meaning it was in
Speaker 1: the pervian jurisdiction of the emerging FBI and now you
Speaker 1: have federal resources behind you. And the penalties were increased
Speaker 1: during that with that law to include the death penalty
Speaker 1: for kidnappings resulting in death, and it created somewhat of
Speaker 1: an effective deterrent through aggressive prosecution, and that ended pretty
Speaker 1: quickly after nineteen thirty two. Today we're starting to see
Speaker 1: a little bit of resurgence, and that is because technology
Speaker 1: and you know kid well, you think about what's preventing
Speaker 1: them too, is you know technology, they had the kids,
Speaker 1: digital tracking, amber alerts, we have a massive surveillance infrastructure. Hell,
Speaker 1: we're talking about putting more cameras up and all these
Speaker 1: going to be on the show to our console person
Speaker 1: who wants more cameras up maybe in relation to or
Speaker 1: indifference of the curfew center that's costs like three hundred
Speaker 1: and eighty thousand dollars. She's going to come on the
Speaker 1: show tomorrow to talk about that. But again, we have
Speaker 1: more license plate readers and sell town to sell tower triangulation.
Speaker 1: You have GPS, you've got ring door bells, everybody's cameras
Speaker 1: are always on. It's harder for criminals to do what
Speaker 1: they do, plus the digital trails and forensics and things
Speaker 1: like that, and it's become unprofitable because there's a really
Speaker 1: high likelhood because of that, you're going to get caught
Speaker 1: and you're facing a life sentence or death penalty and
Speaker 1: the fencer behind this, and so we're starting to see
Speaker 1: it maybe a little bit of a resurgence in this.
Speaker 1: So recently there's an alarming new trend, at least for
Speaker 1: the first half of the last starting last year, we're
Speaker 1: starting to see a spike and domestic kidnapping for ransom cases.
Speaker 1: They think the economy is largely behind this, but the
Speaker 1: technology that eventually catches up the law enforcement uses catches
Speaker 1: up for the bad guys as well. And so the
Speaker 1: digital landscape makes it easier for criminals demand payment through
Speaker 1: untraceable means. We're talking cryptocurrency and anonymous banking apps, and
Speaker 1: so now they look at it go, well, it's hard.
Speaker 1: You know, they can't trace the you know, the serial
Speaker 1: numbers of the bills anymore like they used to. It's
Speaker 1: all crypto. And so now that gives them going, well,
Speaker 1: if we can hold somebody for random some using crypto,
Speaker 1: that could be a game changer for us, and there
Speaker 1: are individuals trying that. I don't know if that's the
Speaker 1: case with Nancy Guthrie, but the speculation that that is
Speaker 1: the case. Who knows at this point, and so you
Speaker 1: could see the pendulum start to swing the other way.
Speaker 1: I don't think it will, simply because there's just so
Speaker 1: much attention and the FBAT told but we just simply
Speaker 1: don't negotiate. We don't give brands some money like we
Speaker 1: used to. And that is the Canada with Patty Hurst,
Speaker 1: for example, and that you know, it doesn't work out
Speaker 1: well usually, as the case may be. I think what's interesting.
Speaker 1: I talked to someone in law enforcement about this, not
Speaker 1: on one with any direct knowledge of the case, and
Speaker 1: we chewed the fat for good twenty minutes about this,
Speaker 1: and I thought it was really really interesting about what
Speaker 1: this individual thinks is going on that by now, at
Speaker 1: least in the first forty eight hours, you know, you
Speaker 1: could be hundreds and hundreds of miles away for sure.
Speaker 1: So this is why you've got the border patrol involved,
Speaker 1: because this is an Arizona and the border's a pretty
Speaker 1: close and so border patrol good. They have active air surveillance,
Speaker 1: but they're also going to do some financial deep digging here.
Speaker 1: So Savannah Guthrie makes like eight million dollars a year,
Speaker 1: she's worth tens of millions of dollars, And so instantly
Speaker 1: you think of an abduction for ransom. In most cases,
Speaker 1: in the fewer, maybe the growing number of ransom cases
Speaker 1: we have, generally it involved, believe or not, children that
Speaker 1: are being held for ransom. Now in this case, as
Speaker 1: an elderly woman who needs your medication, and so the
Speaker 1: thought is, well, this person may be an individual who
Speaker 1: is close to her in the sense of knowing because
Speaker 1: they knew the house, they knew what time she was
Speaker 1: going to be home, she knew all these things about her.
Speaker 1: They did break in obviously, and then the as you
Speaker 1: mention the ransom note, if it is indeed a ransom note,
Speaker 1: I don the police kind of describe that awkwardly. I'm
Speaker 1: not quite sure what it means. I think they're not
Speaker 1: convinced it is indeed a ransom, And maybe a decoy
Speaker 1: is that if that individual has knowledge, because you know,
Speaker 1: you're up against the clock with her medicine. She only
Speaker 1: has a limit amount of time she needs medicine to
Speaker 1: keep her alive. The speculation is or they say, well,
Speaker 1: look at is does this person, because they have intimate
Speaker 1: knowledge of Nancy Guthrie, do they have the medicine she
Speaker 1: would need to survive. They left the medicine behind thinking
Speaker 1: she doesn't have access to it, and that puts more
Speaker 1: of a time constraint on meeting the person who is
Speaker 1: holding yours demands, if that's indeed the case here. And
Speaker 1: I thought that's interesting is if they knew then they
Speaker 1: got her the medicine she needs, knowing what she's on,
Speaker 1: they would leave the bottle behind and that would make
Speaker 1: her think she doesn't have it when she actually does.
Speaker 1: Which is a lot to think about if you're like
Speaker 1: me or you. But now this is an investigators do
Speaker 1: all the time. Obviously, they have to locate the vehicle, shoes,
Speaker 1: transport in her car, her cell phone, her wallet, all
Speaker 1: of that stuff was left back, keys, everything left behind.
Speaker 1: She has mobility issues. She's sharp as attack mentally, but
Speaker 1: mobility is a problem for her because she's eighty four
Speaker 1: years old. So finding the you know, iiding the car.
Speaker 1: We see that now with plate readers and everything else,
Speaker 1: and how they're rather quickly able to piece together the
Speaker 1: vehicle and get a tag and a hit on a tag.
Speaker 1: And it happens all the time that someone's out walking
Speaker 1: and they wind up, you know, spotting them getting vehicle
Speaker 1: and they want up now on them. The guy who's
Speaker 1: you know, the we just had a case of that
Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, and it was all done
Speaker 1: by you know, cameras on poles somewhere. And I think,
Speaker 1: you know, looking at this and talking to the individual
Speaker 1: I spoke to, I think it's interesting that, you know
Speaker 1: the timeline of this investigation. Someone almost had to know
Speaker 1: she was home alone, uh, and so who had access
Speaker 1: to her schedule? And you know, they're going to be
Speaker 1: looking at people in her church. They're going to be
Speaker 1: looking at relative speculation there maybe a relative involved in this,
Speaker 1: who who did service calls to her house or visitors deliveries,
Speaker 1: all that stuff, and establishing whether or not that ransom
Speaker 1: communication is is that if it's a ransom note indeed,
Speaker 1: or it's a decoy, or maybe it's not even a
Speaker 1: ransom note at this point, so they're you know, hospitals
Speaker 1: all on the alert as well, and they're looking at
Speaker 1: cell phone data and all that stuff. The person I
Speaker 1: spoke to speculated now knowing what we know publicly had granted,
Speaker 1: the information that law enforcement has in Arizona is a
Speaker 1: lot more detailed than we have, because, as you know,
Speaker 1: they only release certain things to the public, so there's
Speaker 1: a lot more information they're sitting on. They aid in
Speaker 1: their investigation, and knowing that, they said, well, there's higher likely,
Speaker 1: the most high likelihood at this point. Know, what we
Speaker 1: know is that it's a targeted a targeted abduction by
Speaker 1: a known individual. Because of that, you know there's forced entry,
Speaker 1: but limited forced entry. Knew her limitations and schedule and
Speaker 1: all those things as well, and so they would look
Speaker 1: at that first. And that's also now. Secondarily they're looking
Speaker 1: at less likely a financial motive for this thing because
Speaker 1: Savannah is high profile. She's had her mom on her show.
Speaker 1: I guess those around that area and Tucson know that
Speaker 1: she is Savannah Guthrie's mom because she's semi famous, and
Speaker 1: so you see that and go, oh, she makes this
Speaker 1: kind of money. I need money. If I'm going to
Speaker 1: hold someone ransom, it would be someone like this. Plus
Speaker 1: your elderly can't really fight back. That's why it tends
Speaker 1: to be children and elderly folks, and so you know,
Speaker 1: they also said, I think it's interesting too, that doesn't
Speaker 1: strike them as like a professional criminal who researched the
Speaker 1: target that much because of some of the mistakes that
Speaker 1: they made. No normally if it's I get you know,
Speaker 1: like like the the individuals who burgled Joe Burrow's house.
Speaker 1: I mean, hell, there was a cop out front, and
Speaker 1: they got in, they got out, knew exactly where they're going,
Speaker 1: what time of day, how to disabled everything, They did
Speaker 1: their research, they did their homework, still got caught. But
Speaker 1: according to them, this does not look like it is
Speaker 1: someone who like some sort of gang or organized activity,
Speaker 1: that they would be that good in getting this individual.
Speaker 1: And of course then there's a personal vendetta against Savannah Guthrie.
Speaker 4: In that.
Speaker 1: You know, journalists who make enemies, You have political extremists,
Speaker 1: you have people maybe upset by her anger, her interviewing
Speaker 1: she did interview with Trump, for example, that she did
Speaker 1: interviewed Biden. Maybe someone took that the wrong way and
Speaker 1: saw this as a personal vendetta against Savannah Guthrie. Although
Speaker 1: you know, you look at the nature of this whole thing,
Speaker 1: and why would you take someone, you know, if you're
Speaker 1: gonna if you're gonna do harmon trying to ruin someone's
Speaker 1: life and make them hurt because you're so twisted you
Speaker 1: think that physical violence is the only way to save
Speaker 1: your reputation or get back at someone for reporting on something,
Speaker 1: which is absurd. But they're crazy people in the world,
Speaker 1: and if you look at it in that regard, and
Speaker 1: why why would you capture someone and take them as
Speaker 1: suppose to just killing them? And fortunately it's an abduction
Speaker 1: because there's still hope that this lady's alive. And then ultimately,
Speaker 1: finally it's like a crime of opportunity that you know,
Speaker 1: someone observed her scene and going in maybe made that connection.
Speaker 1: Could be local criminal activity, recent parolice and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So the problem is there's so many, so many strategies
Speaker 1: and theories out there. And the sheriff said, this isn't
Speaker 1: a ransom, but there was a ransom note what to
Speaker 1: make of that, we don't know, but they get they
Speaker 1: would start with their social and church connections and someone
Speaker 1: that knows because she went to dinner and then I
Speaker 1: guess drop off and she was gone later that night.
Speaker 1: And again that's like a long period of time from
Speaker 1: the evening till the next morning or next afternoon I
Speaker 1: should say noon when she didn't show up to church
Speaker 1: when they figured, hey, something's going on here, and so
Speaker 1: she's been gone for a long time. Could be anywhere
Speaker 1: at this point. But it's such a fascinating story in
Speaker 1: my opinion, because hey, you often don't see this. You know,
Speaker 1: you see people being you know, children for example, being
Speaker 1: held against their world, people being abducted and held in
Speaker 1: a house somewhere as some sort of you know, weird
Speaker 1: sex slave or something like that. But abductions for ransom
Speaker 1: or in the appearance of ransom anywhere extremely rare in
Speaker 1: this country. Used to be fairly common, but not anymore,
Speaker 1: although they are making a resurgence for the reasons I mentioned.
Speaker 1: But it certainly is a gripping and interesting story and
Speaker 1: of a sad at the same time, because, like I said,
Speaker 1: the person who had interacted with Savannah Guthrie, she's a really,
Speaker 1: really nice lady. And even if they weren't, you know,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't wish to sign your worst enemy, because could
Speaker 1: you imagine getting a call that your mother has been abducted? Wait, what,
Speaker 1: your mother's missing and we think she's been abducted, you
Speaker 1: better get out to Arizona. That had to be and
Speaker 1: still is one of the worst things you could possibly hear,
Speaker 1: because at eighty four, she's pretty frail and needs her medicine.
Speaker 1: And we have no idea yet what the endgame is here,
Speaker 1: but the speculation is running rampant, which, of course, as
Speaker 1: we deal in here on the show and on this
Speaker 1: radio station, it's simple speculation, but these are based in fact,
Speaker 1: and you wonder what was going through the mind of
Speaker 1: the individual or individuals that abducted her, and what is
Speaker 1: this they seek to gain by holding captive an eighty
Speaker 1: four old woman. I mean, financial gain comes to mind instantly.
Speaker 1: The second would be some sort of retribution because of
Speaker 1: what Savanah Guthrie does for her job. But the family,
Speaker 1: I guess, is heartbroken. So TMC is reporting a possible
Speaker 1: ransom note demanded millions of dollars in crypto at a
Speaker 1: verified bitcoin address. So this just broke just now as
Speaker 1: I was talking about this, and I was speculating that well,
Speaker 1: cryptocurrency bitcoin, it's much easier to do this today before,
Speaker 1: But the FBI is very, very good at what they do,
Speaker 1: and they are there to help. According to Keshptel, the
Speaker 1: FBI director, to help in this case. Now, if you're
Speaker 1: holding someone ransom and wanting crypto, that certainly does invoke
Speaker 1: the FBI here, and they're pretty good despite what we
Speaker 1: believe in how you know what justice looks like. FBI
Speaker 1: still pretty good at getting this stuff. Hopefully I find
Speaker 1: an answer here holding her hostage for some cryptocurrency. I
Speaker 1: just wonder how organized the group holding here is in
Speaker 1: that particular case. Anyway, So we got that going on
Speaker 1: today coming up in a few minutes. Here Sarah Lisa
Speaker 1: is in and this is a snort report, I imagine
Speaker 1: because she is such a front runner we're going to
Speaker 1: talk about. We're going to talk about her all the
Speaker 1: modern Miami University and they remain undefeated. I think next up.
Speaker 1: I think they got Marshall next if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 1: and not how many games they got left in the schedule.
Speaker 1: But it's awfully tough to go undefeated. So she's here
Speaker 1: talking about that. I'm sure some Joe Burrow Pro Bowl
Speaker 1: stuff in the mix as well. The Nicholas nickolasche was
Speaker 1: on My show yesterday at eleven oh seven at this
Speaker 1: time and dropped his song about wanting to the Bengals
Speaker 1: to sell the team, presumably to him, and he denied it.
Speaker 1: But I like, I don't know. You've got friends, you
Speaker 1: got investors, you know if you're in la you know
Speaker 1: sin you're famous like Nick Laay. You know people who
Speaker 1: got money. You got some money. But you pull all
Speaker 1: together by the team. Is it for sale? That's a question.
Speaker 1: So we'll talk to Sarah about that coming up in
Speaker 1: a few minutes. And of course the news that ah
Speaker 1: Suarez is back in a redg jersey is giving us
Speaker 1: some hope that one of our sports teams is going
Speaker 1: to be successful here and maybe that maybe fcfc's about
Speaker 1: registered the season too, But our hopes hang on our
Speaker 1: red legs and some degree FC coming up as they
Speaker 1: kick off the season. By the way, pitchers and catchers
Speaker 1: reporting just days away. Despite what the weather's like outside,
Speaker 1: the minute you hear Baseball Day Baseball on seven hundred
Speaker 1: WLW from Arizona, it feels like summer. Let's say it
Speaker 1: all on your mind, it all melts away, It all
Speaker 1: melts away. Early on the show, if you missed it,
Speaker 1: I had a couple of interesting guests. I had Ohhi
Speaker 1: representative Adam Bird on at ten o'clock, so you can
Speaker 1: catch out on the podcast, follow the show via the
Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app and downloaded for free. Or if you're listening
Speaker 1: to show right now and you're going somewhere, you can
Speaker 1: pop your earbuds in and take us with you. Regardless. Anyway,
Speaker 1: representative of Adam Bird out of Claremont County was on
Speaker 1: and proposing an NIL band for high school athletes in Ohio. Now,
Speaker 1: the Athletic Association just ruled and said, hey, listen, you
Speaker 1: know what, you can't fight city Hall. And you can't.
Speaker 1: It's awfully tough to go to war against the law
Speaker 1: because the law is ruling in favor of individuals or
Speaker 1: at least one kid who's an always you recruit that
Speaker 1: Hey listen, I want to make money off my namage
Speaker 1: of lightness, and I'll take you to court to get that.
Speaker 1: And so they acquiesced and said, okay, uncle, and now
Speaker 1: the legislator's look in this going, well, you know what,
Speaker 1: we think it could destroy high school athletics, the sanctity
Speaker 1: of high school athletics, and it was present. Adam presented
Speaker 1: a great case. I thought in that his line of
Speaker 1: thinking is this is about protecting the institution of education
Speaker 1: of higher learning about amateur athletics and the like. And
Speaker 1: I think that it sounds good, it feels good, it
Speaker 1: feels right, But you know, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: I guess I have a problem overall with the state
Speaker 1: telling parents what to do with their kids. And I
Speaker 1: look at it going, well, if your kid is so
Speaker 1: exceptional that he or she is going to be offered
Speaker 1: not only a scholarship and hopefully, most likely if things
Speaker 1: play out the way they are, some sort of pro contract,
Speaker 1: why can't I capitalize that on now? And the idea
Speaker 1: here that the state knows more than the parents do.
Speaker 1: It's kind of a horn to me in that regard,
Speaker 1: like you can't prove a lot of harm being done
Speaker 1: by a kid taking money. Yeah, well they got to
Speaker 1: get an agent, and then they got tax guys, And well,
Speaker 1: how many people who are adults right now go, well,
Speaker 1: that's a good problem to half, that's rich people problems.
Speaker 1: I got to get a tax account and an agent. Damn,
Speaker 1: I hate my life, said no one effort. So I
Speaker 1: don't know if the state is staying why the state
Speaker 1: would be in the way of doing that to protect
Speaker 1: the children. And I always loath of people when they
Speaker 1: say it's about protecting the children. And I'd also contend
Speaker 1: that there are schools in our listing area right now
Speaker 1: that are doing the same thing under the radar and
Speaker 1: have been for a long time when it comes to
Speaker 1: bringing kids in from out of district or out of state,
Speaker 1: even because they're so exceptional at the sport that they play.
Speaker 1: And then of course taking you the boosters take care
Speaker 1: of the parents, and there's housing and maybe some stipends
Speaker 1: and things like that. And directly, I say, if you're
Speaker 1: going to do that, then you've got to go after
Speaker 1: that as well, because you are just creating the block
Speaker 1: market that we seek to fix in the first place.
Speaker 1: Scott's Loan Show with News and five here we got
Speaker 1: snow moving and yet again seven hundred w.
Speaker 2: Yes smarted.
Speaker 1: Lots of sports today report. Thank you Sarah Lisa. You
Speaker 1: are from the kid Chrisha one of two seven e
Speaker 1: d and social media slash sports this midweek morning. How
Speaker 1: are you happy day? You are way extra today? What
Speaker 1: is going on?
Speaker 6: I'm just really caffeinated and well rested.
Speaker 1: Holy cow, you are just coming. You're like eleven on
Speaker 1: a scale of nine.
Speaker 5: I know a lot of you old dudes around here
Speaker 5: are like on a scale of one to tend.
Speaker 1: Now that you're forty, you've joined.
Speaker 6: The not yet not yet twenty nine plus tax. Okay,
Speaker 6: take it easy.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of tax. You are in California.
Speaker 5: It's tax plus shipping and handling a few other things
Speaker 5: here and there, some tariff stuff going on.
Speaker 6: But excited about our Red Hawks Mi Alma Mater. Baby.
Speaker 6: They moved to twenty three and no after a big
Speaker 6: win last night.
Speaker 1: Win last night.
Speaker 6: It was a nail bier. They they they're going to.
Speaker 1: Have some nails and some luck to be perfect.
Speaker 6: And you know what, and that's okay.
Speaker 1: No one runs the table.
Speaker 5: If it means that you're going to be undefeated and
Speaker 5: a little bit of luck comes your way, than by
Speaker 5: all means how.
Speaker 1: Many games left?
Speaker 5: Ooh, a few, We've got a few. I don't have
Speaker 5: the schedule put up in front of me, but I knew.
Speaker 5: I know that they are back this Saturday. They're gonna
Speaker 5: be back on the road. Then they'll be back at
Speaker 5: home after that.
Speaker 6: I don't know. You have to pull up the sketch. Yes,
Speaker 6: it is seventy three to seventy one.
Speaker 5: Over Buffalo is the final. They are fired up, they
Speaker 5: are super fired up there and.
Speaker 1: They're losing their minds at Miami right now. Eight games.
Speaker 6: There are eight games, loft, that's a lot.
Speaker 5: They can do it, just keep winning and it's one
Speaker 5: game at a time. How do you eat an elephant.
Speaker 1: With a knife and fork?
Speaker 6: One bite at a time?
Speaker 1: Oh, one bite at a time? How do you eat
Speaker 1: at that elephant?
Speaker 6: Anyways, they're at Marshal on Saturday if.
Speaker 1: You can there. Yeah, Marshall on Saturday. Okay, got it?
Speaker 6: And they are fourteen and eight should be another nail better?
Speaker 1: Well, you're a way too yep. Huntington's a tough place
Speaker 1: to play football, especially.
Speaker 5: And I believe that the RedHawks are twenty eight No
Speaker 5: at Milette.
Speaker 6: How cool is that?
Speaker 1: That's pretty cool? Nice? All right?
Speaker 6: So I was there on Saturday and I felt very old.
Speaker 1: Here's yeah, no kidding, right.
Speaker 5: I hadn't been back to my college campus and quite
Speaker 5: some time. Went up to High Street and it was
Speaker 5: a bunch of kids running around like in onesies and
Speaker 5: drinking beer, and I was.
Speaker 6: Like, I really feel old?
Speaker 1: Do you feel how how many years after graduation you
Speaker 1: go back to your alma mater? And you feel like
Speaker 1: a creep.
Speaker 6: You go back for like alumni weekends.
Speaker 1: You feel like a creep.
Speaker 6: You don't just go just to go.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I did feel a little creepy, even though
Speaker 5: I was with people that are my age, and you know,
Speaker 5: it was alumni basketball weekend and there were plenty of
Speaker 5: other adults there. But watching all these kids running around,
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh my god, they.
Speaker 1: Look like, baby, you're the age you could have a kid.
Speaker 6: I could have a kid there. This is true. I
Speaker 6: could have a college kid, now, do.
Speaker 1: I if you know who the mother was?
Speaker 6: Absolutely not no kids for me ever, no things.
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll see no thank you.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I was giving back and you know, hitting
Speaker 5: up skips and bricks situation.
Speaker 1: When you go back, you can go back to my
Speaker 1: alma mater. You go back to your alma mater. And
Speaker 1: it's like you go back like the first year after
Speaker 1: like still snows some people, right, and that's fine, and
Speaker 1: that's fine. But by the second or third year you
Speaker 1: go back and you go, man, I'm old. I mean,
Speaker 1: it happens quickly.
Speaker 6: It really does. And they don't look like they're eighty.
Speaker 5: I mean they looked like they were like thirteen, Like, man,
Speaker 5: these kids are looking younger than ever.
Speaker 1: Well, we're getting older faster.
Speaker 6: And I think that's what's going on.
Speaker 1: When I go there now, they hold doors open for.
Speaker 6: Me and stuff like their do you need a wheelchair?
Speaker 2: Are you?
Speaker 1: Are you here for the are you of the clinic?
Speaker 6: You're there for? Like nurse students?
Speaker 1: Did you go back like homecomings? Michelle and I met
Speaker 1: at BG. You went to Bowling Green.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we played guys in the twentieth button and.
Speaker 1: So you know, you go back there and you feel
Speaker 1: that way. But it's funny when you go back when
Speaker 1: you went back, like or you're on campus, let's say, yeah,
Speaker 1: and they like a homecoming and you see like the
Speaker 1: class from nineteen fifty coming in. Wow, those people are
Speaker 1: really old. Oh huh, Now I'm that age. I'm like,
Speaker 1: damn okay, And.
Speaker 6: Time really does fly.
Speaker 1: It's fun.
Speaker 5: But it was really good to be back on campus
Speaker 5: and to be at the game. And I'd never seen
Speaker 5: a crowd that big at Malette before, No one has. They'
Speaker 5: set a record of ten thousand and six forty Pretty
Speaker 5: cool stuff. I love what's happening in Oxford right now.
Speaker 1: If if the RedHawks lose what bandwagon you can jump
Speaker 1: on this.
Speaker 5: This is not a bandwagon when it's literally my college.
Speaker 1: I never talked about him before they go undefeated. That's
Speaker 1: front running.
Speaker 6: They had never been waiting like this before.
Speaker 5: There's a reason why we're leading with the Reds, the Bangles,
Speaker 5: and I know what you're.
Speaker 1: Gonna do if if and I'm not saying they are,
Speaker 1: but if Miami.
Speaker 6: Loses, which I'm sure that they will offenually.
Speaker 1: We're going right to the Reds.
Speaker 5: I guarantee well, we are going to go right to
Speaker 5: the rest right now because good vibes, baby es. He's
Speaker 5: so back, and this is exactly what this team needed.
Speaker 5: He was the answer to all of our prayers. Now, granted,
Speaker 5: is he gonna how many runs is he gonna get?
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 5: He got forty nine bombs last season. You come to
Speaker 5: great hot hitter, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know, because you get great hitters at GBP
Speaker 1: unless they're wearing the opposite uniform. Similarly, don't do well.
Speaker 1: I don't know why that is. And it's been that
Speaker 1: way since Junior came here.
Speaker 5: I just here's my thing with Gino, Like I love
Speaker 5: his good vibes, and you know, I hope that he
Speaker 5: can bring all the bomb stats to GBP, Like that's
Speaker 5: really cool. But I wouldn't expect this guy to go
Speaker 5: like four or four every time a book.
Speaker 1: But you got the guys line can hit too, and
Speaker 1: maybe that takes the pressure off of Ellie and other guys.
Speaker 5: I think, Yeah, he is a perfect fit for this team.
Speaker 5: And he said, you know, it's good to be back here.
Speaker 5: This is where my wife and I had our baby
Speaker 5: and got our family started. It feels like home. And
Speaker 5: Nick Krawl last night said, great clubhouse guy. Great guy
Speaker 5: with the vet.
Speaker 1: Element is very underrated too.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's a vet.
Speaker 5: Now you come in and he's coming in at thirty
Speaker 5: four years old, and I think he's probably one of
Speaker 5: the older guys on.
Speaker 1: The team, working with ke Brian Hayes a little bit
Speaker 1: at the base and you know, spread it around and
Speaker 1: be that guy, be the guy. And he doesn't have
Speaker 1: You're right, he doesn't have to rake. You know, whole season.
Speaker 1: It's like somebody's got to.
Speaker 6: Hit someone, and I do think it will be I
Speaker 6: am so.
Speaker 1: And in credit to the Castellini's for going. Hey, listen,
Speaker 1: you know what, the fans are not happy. We didn't
Speaker 1: sign Schwarbur anywhere else, and this is not the top
Speaker 1: let's face it. It's kind of like, you know, the
Speaker 1: best remaining hitter available. We waited until Yeah, and they
Speaker 1: spent more money they planned, but they see an opportunity
Speaker 1: here and you know what, you've got to give the
Speaker 1: Reds credit for that.
Speaker 6: Totally worth it.
Speaker 5: And yeah, definitely a lot of credit to the Ruds,
Speaker 5: like this was a great move by them.
Speaker 6: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I pitching, you got the bullpen squared away, you've got depth,
Speaker 1: you got the outfields, like be exciting, let's go.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I do think that's wos. We'll get people
Speaker 5: in the seats that man.
Speaker 1: Winning will get people this winning.
Speaker 6: Does ever fact look in Oxford ten six four zero.
Speaker 1: I went, hey, listen to fans, but reach Nation wasn't
Speaker 1: happy about this. We're gonna spend more money than we
Speaker 1: budgeted for because we think there's an opportunity here. And
Speaker 1: it was smart or smart with their money, but they
Speaker 1: listened to fans. I think a lot of that is
Speaker 1: driven by the anks the fans had we had about
Speaker 1: going in and so they listened unlike our football team.
Speaker 5: Well yeah, because I mean, were you excited about any
Speaker 5: of our hitters this year, who were you most excited about?
Speaker 5: Ellie we strike out, Spencer.
Speaker 1: Steer to be better than he was, and a couple
Speaker 1: of the guys.
Speaker 6: And Matt McLean can only get.
Speaker 1: Black and McLean is another one, right, I would hope
Speaker 1: for should get to figure it out. Yeah, but maybe
Speaker 1: this also takes pressure. So that good news for the Reds.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I know that the you know, the team,
Speaker 5: they're all excited about having their guide back, familiar face,
Speaker 5: and you know, the Red social team obviously very excited
Speaker 5: to be posting. I mean, they made twenty five posts
Speaker 5: about him yesterday and of course Gina reunited with his
Speaker 5: bestie Jim Day.
Speaker 6: I don't know if you saw that, but.
Speaker 1: It was cute, very cute.
Speaker 6: Does Dave have the clip of that by chance? Their interaction?
Speaker 6: I would be impressed if Dave had that clip on hands.
Speaker 1: Not sure three two one he doesn't have in front
Speaker 1: of you ever. Mind what did what did gino saying.
Speaker 5: That he was like, oh Jim, good to see you again,
Speaker 5: and they just you know, hugged it out and just
Speaker 5: like old besties.
Speaker 1: See you again. Okay, there you go. There's a clip
Speaker 1: that's Yeah, that's what it sounded like.
Speaker 6: He was happy to see the snow.
Speaker 5: He's got his wife and his too, his two kiddos
Speaker 5: with him, so I'm all very very excited.
Speaker 1: He's really happy about this. Look at you, man, Wow,
Speaker 1: it's nice. What do you think of the snow on
Speaker 1: the field?
Speaker 2: Like, yes, happy time.
Speaker 1: That's cool.
Speaker 2: As happy as I am.
Speaker 5: It's been a long time now. Jim Day has like
Speaker 5: a really good interviewer.
Speaker 1: Gino's reaction was like, Jim Day, you're still alive.
Speaker 6: You have a job here.
Speaker 1: How the hell are you still employed? You're terrible. I
Speaker 1: love Jim he is the best suck you used to
Speaker 1: work here. Oh my god, you said it, not me. No,
Speaker 1: I love Jim Dave. If I didn't know Jim Day,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be breaking as chopped like that. That's funny.
Speaker 1: So anyway, that reaction and he in the clubhouse.
Speaker 6: I think I can't.
Speaker 1: You're right, I gotta laugh. I didn't even get a
Speaker 1: snort out of that. I need a snort.
Speaker 5: Come on, woman, I think, Gino, he will get seg
Speaker 5: out of this place and back to the club house,
Speaker 5: I really do.
Speaker 1: But he's back, so I go Tuesday. Thank you.
Speaker 6: She really brings them all up.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. I bet I hope
Speaker 1: Jim does like one of the you know, the the
Speaker 1: ones that they used to fill the rain delays with.
Speaker 6: Oh you know that's coming.
Speaker 1: I mean he's so good. I love that. I love
Speaker 1: that because it's you know, look forward to with rain delay.
Speaker 1: But you know there's gonna be content there.
Speaker 6: That's when you turn on l W and you those guys.
Speaker 1: Because he knows the backstories. No, no, I think he's
Speaker 1: still here. Do you think Jim Day is terrible? I've
Speaker 1: always enjoyed.
Speaker 5: Does all you bud so Wow Pitchers and Gadgets report
Speaker 5: next week to Goodyear and they've got their first game
Speaker 5: against the Guardians on the twenty first, and it was
Speaker 5: truck Day yesterday on their social page as well, So
Speaker 5: they got the truck all piled up with the gear
Speaker 5: and mister red Legs is driving the whole thing.
Speaker 6: If you see him on seven, when.
Speaker 1: Does the head come off? And the media op he's
Speaker 1: driving it? You're driving a big rig with a Oh my.
Speaker 6: God, do I have time for a quick head story?
Speaker 1: What thank you?
Speaker 6: When I was in Bristol.
Speaker 1: That's not what I think you're going okay, well maybe
Speaker 1: it's going somewhere right.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, when I was in Bristol, let's go.
Speaker 5: I've got a good head story. I was in Bristol
Speaker 5: last year and of course, you know, the rain was
Speaker 5: the name of the game, and I'm in this room,
Speaker 5: like the media room, and we're just you know, on lockdown,
Speaker 5: and somehow the mascots were locked in with us, you know,
Speaker 5: like they can't go out and get the head, you know,
Speaker 5: wet and the outfit and everything. So like they're still
Speaker 5: in there as mascots and when they're in public, even
Speaker 5: with just the media, they have.
Speaker 6: To be performing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So like mister Red Legs and Rosie and Gaper
Speaker 5: and everybody, Like they're just sitting there with all these
Speaker 5: like very you know, serious media people and they're just
Speaker 5: you know, waving and kind of playing batty cake and whatnot.
Speaker 5: I'm like, dude, you can take off the head like
Speaker 5: it's really okay, like we will not judge.
Speaker 6: But no, they stayed in character. It's party. Yes, it's
Speaker 6: exactly like Mickey and Disney.
Speaker 1: You cannot take it off because you're scared of kids.
Speaker 6: That is my head story.
Speaker 5: I don't know what their heads in real life look
Speaker 5: like but they are baseballs in my world.
Speaker 1: You should see standing next to Gapper, like in the
Speaker 1: restroom and he has to keep the head on.
Speaker 6: They look over to each other.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean it's you can't see your but
Speaker 1: he's bumping his head is like he's going he's flying
Speaker 1: blind against a journal because the face is pushing up
Speaker 1: against the wall. Just don't let the bats your equipment,
Speaker 1: all right, So at least it's the smart report this
Speaker 1: morning on seven hundred W. But she's just trashing for
Speaker 1: some reason.
Speaker 5: That is all you. But Joe Burrow real quick, if
Speaker 5: he's happy in Cincinnati, dun't dunt dun stop.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 5: We had Robin Burrow on not long ago to talk
Speaker 5: about the Marty Girl.
Speaker 6: And he's happy.
Speaker 5: He's playing with those guys t Higgins and Jamar Chase
Speaker 5: of course last night playing with them in the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 6: But yeah, Joe was asked if he's happy, and he goes, yeah,
Speaker 6: I am.
Speaker 5: I think you know everybody has bad days, right right,
Speaker 5: he said sometimes they fall on press conference days, which
Speaker 5: we've definitely seen some.
Speaker 6: Bad days for Joe Burrow dealing with the press.
Speaker 1: He wants to win and he goes.
Speaker 6: So that's how it goes sometimes. All right, it was fine.
Speaker 5: I don't think we need to look into this any further.
Speaker 5: I don't think anyone should be worried about Joe Burrow
Speaker 5: leaving Cincinnati time.
Speaker 1: He knows who he plays for and what their commitment
Speaker 1: is or isn't at this point, as we all do.
Speaker 6: And what about our guy Nicholas Chef him?
Speaker 1: Like the Pro Bowl? It talk about burying the Tuesday
Speaker 1: night Pro Bowls?
Speaker 5: Why are we burying the lead? Who cares about the
Speaker 5: Pro Bowl? When Miami is undefeated and we have Gino back, it's.
Speaker 6: Way more important.
Speaker 1: You brought up Joe Burrow and he played last night
Speaker 1: in the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I watched the intros. Then I saw Tee Higgins get
Speaker 6: a touchdown. Then I go to bed. The thing stopped.
Speaker 6: This thing started at like nine o'clock a night.
Speaker 1: I though, I need to share how little this after
Speaker 1: that it was, it looked like there was heldon's all,
Speaker 1: like somebody's practice bubble in San Francisco. There's ten thousand,
Speaker 1: not even there's like five thousand people.
Speaker 6: There, maybe five.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was really realining, but I get it. It's
Speaker 1: like they realized the Pro Bowl is not like it
Speaker 1: can't you can't do it in the NFL. I turned
Speaker 1: in the flag football is a good ad for their
Speaker 1: flag football thing.
Speaker 5: So this score was like fifty to forty. I mean
Speaker 5: it was wild truly. It's yeah, guys, not ticket it. Seriously,
Speaker 5: It's like, no.
Speaker 6: Should you You shouldn't.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you don't want to get hurt because you know,
Speaker 5: that's that's what we always worry about, especially seeing Joe
Speaker 5: Flacco and Joe Burrow out there, like keep the QBS.
Speaker 1: You have one more thing, the Nicolas thing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I heard your guy Nicholas on yesterday.
Speaker 1: Not Happy. He's got that song out.
Speaker 6: Fuel to fire Field. That song is way too it's
Speaker 6: way too.
Speaker 1: I said, it's more like baby naked music than it is.
Speaker 6: A Yeah, he's got to like ramp it up, all right.
Speaker 6: If we want to make this like a one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it shouldn't be like a r and it sounds
Speaker 1: if it sounds, you know, the musical ability is great,
Speaker 1: but it's like, man, it needs to be more like scream.
Speaker 6: Oh but he's he's not. Yeah, he needs like a
Speaker 6: slip Knot influence on this song.
Speaker 5: Head.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe I don't hearing screamo though I.
Speaker 5: Don't think he has it really good to hear from Nikolache,
Speaker 5: even though we shouldn't care about what he has to say.
Speaker 5: I feel like he made really good, valid points and
Speaker 5: he goes, look, I know that the Bengals will probably
Speaker 5: never hear this, and I don't think they'll care if
Speaker 5: they do hear about it, and he's like, but they
Speaker 5: don't care about Cincinnati. That's pretty much everything that wraps
Speaker 5: up with what he had to say, But we do.
Speaker 1: Sarah especially cares about Cincinnati so much. She is leaning
Speaker 1: into the Miami RedHawks and Oxford Scott Sloan show. She's
Speaker 1: back on the Kid Christio tomorrow on one of two
Speaker 1: seven EBN where she attacks where she attacks Jim Day
Speaker 1: and probably other Reds broadcasters on that daily basis, Oh
Speaker 1: you Willie is on the way next seven hundred ww