1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI on demand. Jim, Welcome to the 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: Jesus Christ Show. 3 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 2: Hi, how are you, Jesus? 4 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: I'm well, Jim. What's going on? 5 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 2: I'm just having problems in my marriage. It's my second marriage, 6 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 2: and I'm not sure what to do. 7 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 3: Uh. 8 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 2: I've been married now, in my second marriage for six years. 9 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 2: I was married fifteen years prior to that to another 10 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 2: woman who I am friends with. Now. Basically, you know, 11 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 2: the blended family thing is just not it's really not working. 12 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: So you there's kids, both from previous marriage. 13 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 4: He has she has. 14 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 2: Two daughters, and I have one daughter. And they're all 15 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 2: teenagers and they're all girls. So I live in a 16 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 2: house basically with four with four you know, young women 17 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 2: and one adult woman. And you know, from a man's 18 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 2: point of view, at least from my point of view, 19 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 2: it's very difficult at times to deal with their mood swings, 20 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 2: you know, from their hormonal or whatever standpoint. And I, 21 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 2: you know, prior to her meeting me, I used to 22 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 2: drink a lot. When I separated from my first wife, 23 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 2: I suffered depression and I drank a lot. And I 24 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 2: had a lot of women in my life, Okay, to escape. 25 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: And what were you escaping from? 26 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 2: Changed all that? 27 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: So what were you escaping from. 28 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 4: The pain of. 29 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:39,559 Speaker 2: Not being with my daughter? 30 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: Okay, and. 31 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 2: You know I've changed all that, but you know, she 32 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 2: just still doesn't trust me. I'm always getting accused if 33 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 2: I'm a salesman, if I get if I get home late, 34 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 2: if I leave early, you know, if she reads my 35 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 2: text messages, which I don't have a problem with, but 36 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 2: you know, ask me in a way that you know 37 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 2: is respectful, don't accuse me of stuff. 38 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 5: Well, well, let's kind of look at this through a 39 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 5: couple of different perspectives. First of all, you mentioned the 40 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 5: being with a bunch of women and their home hormones 41 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 5: or whatever. I don't know that that's particularly the case. 42 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 5: There's many things that can cause issues when you blend 43 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 5: a family automatically, and it doesn't necessarily have anything to 44 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 5: do with hormones. So I don't know that that's always 45 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 5: the fair assessment. I know many guys tend to go 46 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 5: to that place, but there can be a lot of 47 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 5: things that you're bringing to the equation that can cause 48 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 5: people to be upset or what have you. You have 49 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 5: had a pattern. This doesn't come out of nowhere. 50 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 3: Now. 51 00:02:56,280 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 5: You may know that it's unjustified now, but her, your 52 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 5: wife's emotions aren't completely unjustified. It you you've said yourself 53 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 5: that you used to drink and used to womanize exactly, 54 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 5: So these are all based on things you've done in 55 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 5: the past. 56 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: How is how is the. 57 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 5: So other than than your wife being curious as to 58 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 5: where you are and what you're doing. How is the 59 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 5: so called problems in the blended family. 60 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: Materializing? 61 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 2: I mean it was a struggle. It was a struggle 62 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 2: early on, a real struggle. And you know, especially with 63 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 2: one of her daughters, you know, who was really disrespectful 64 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 2: and and just you know the way she was raised. 65 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 2: She she, my my new wife, came from a really 66 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 2: bad marriage where there he was verbally and emotionally abusive 67 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 2: to them, and so she really had a negative attitude. 68 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 2: And you know, I had to have a I was gentle, 69 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 2: but yet at the same time, I had to have 70 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 2: a firm hand if I was going to make this 71 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 2: work with them. And I'm not allowed now to say anything. 72 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 2: My opinion is not respected or allowed. And if I 73 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 2: see something that I don't think is right, I state 74 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 2: my opinion. I do it respectfully, but I'm basically shot down. 75 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: What would be something you see that you don't feel 76 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: is right? 77 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 2: Okay, well I think that Okay. The oldest daughter is 78 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 2: the one that I have the problems the most with, 79 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 2: and I love her dearly, but she is a procrastinator. 80 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 2: She's an underachiever. She's had several boyfriends after her mother 81 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 2: swear that she would not let her have boyfriends anymore. 82 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 2: And she spends a lot of time on the couch 83 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 2: watching television. 84 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: How old is she? 85 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 2: She's seventeen. She's going to be going to college this fall, 86 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 2: so is my daughter. But my daughter is a four 87 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 2: point two student, which you know, I'm not comparing the 88 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 2: grade point averages. 89 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: Here, Yeah you are. You just did actually literally you 90 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: just did well. 91 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 2: I guess I did. But I'm comparing the effort, is 92 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:27,679 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. 93 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 5: Is there do you find that there's a learning disability 94 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 5: of any kind with the eldest daughter or anything that 95 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,359 Speaker 5: might cause that to manifest in a way that hurts? 96 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:44,799 Speaker 2: Like her youngest daughter is fourteen, and she's very smart 97 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 2: and gets all a's in school too, And she says, 98 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 2: well that her older daughter just struggles. She's just not 99 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 2: as you know, smart, as the other ones. And I 100 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,919 Speaker 2: don't I'm not willing to sell you sold on that. 101 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 2: I think she is that smart. 102 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: Okay, has he did the eldest daughter do better in 103 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: school at one time? 104 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 4: Or Yeah? 105 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 2: When she was in middle school, in junior high school, 106 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 2: she did a lot better than she Then she got 107 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 2: into high school. 108 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: And what happened around high school. 109 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 2: Well, you know the first thing that happened is that 110 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 2: she I got a phone call because her mom was 111 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 2: out of town, and I got a phone call and 112 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 2: she was caught having intercourse with a boy at school. 113 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 2: And I mean I didn't say anything. I didn't yell 114 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 2: at her. I went and picked her up, and she 115 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 2: got suspended from school. And I talked to her and 116 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 2: I said, you know, people make mistakes, and you know, 117 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 2: did you use protection? And I asked the basic questions 118 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 2: and I let it go. At that point, I said, 119 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 2: you're going to have to deal with your mother at 120 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 2: this point, because I don't handle I'd never handled her 121 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 2: girls in that fashion. I've just stated my. 122 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 5: Case, okay, And what what kind of relationship does the 123 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,239 Speaker 5: eldest daughter have with her birth father? 124 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 2: She moved out she when she was fourteen, She left 125 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 2: him and came to the house because she wanted to 126 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 2: be with me rather than him. 127 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: And do you guys bicker? 128 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 2: Are we excuse me? 129 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: Do you bicker? Do you fight? Like not knockdown, drag out. 130 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 2: We don't bicker. We don't bicker. There's times where she's 131 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 2: out of wine, where you know, she gets frustrated because 132 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 2: I tell her, you know what, you need to just 133 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 2: go to your room and be quiet, and she gets 134 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 2: a little bit upset about that. 135 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 4: But we don't. 136 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 2: We don't fight, We don't argue. I mean, and for 137 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 2: the most part, she respects me all the time. If 138 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 2: I ask her for her help, she helps. You know, 139 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 2: she's a good kid. But you know, there's things about 140 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 2: her that I wish to improve, and I'm not being 141 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 2: allowed to do it. 142 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: Okay, but it's going to be hard to improve. You've 143 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: got a lot going on. 144 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 5: First of all, she came into your life at you know, 145 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 5: eleven years old or so, and you're dealing with her 146 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 5: as she's going through an important time in her life, 147 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 5: and she's being pulled apart from a family that in 148 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 5: her head was always going to be together, regardless of 149 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 5: whatever problems they had in that household blended families can 150 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 5: be very difficult. The key always is going to be 151 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 5: between you and the mother, two parents loving each other 152 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 5: and being the example, setting the example. As far as discipline, 153 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 5: the discipline of those children is really going to be 154 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 5: based on your wife. 155 00:08:59,320 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: Their mother. 156 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:03,959 Speaker 5: She should set the tone for discipline for those girls 157 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 5: because they're her girls. And you can be a good 158 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 5: step dad, and you can be good counsel to your 159 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 5: wife and all of those things, but she has to 160 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 5: raise those children, and you've got one that's going to 161 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 5: go off to college. 162 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: You can't help. 163 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 5: But wonder if there's a sexual intercourse going on at 164 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 5: such a young age that it might not have something 165 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 5: to do with her searching for that male attention and 166 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 5: those things that are being torn apart in her life. 167 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 5: It's not about being a stern hand. It's about being 168 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 5: a good voice and a good partner to your wife 169 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 5: in a way that the kids, all the kids yours 170 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 5: and hers, can see it and use it as an example. 171 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 5: That's the best you're going to be able to do 172 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 5: in a situation like this. Sean, Welcome to the Jesus 173 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 5: Christ Show. 174 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 6: Hi, all right, My question is why did Satan rebel 175 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 6: against God? If you ultimately knew God would destroying at 176 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 6: the end, and basically, you know what makes Stayton think 177 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 6: that he'll be able to result himself above the. 178 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 4: Throne of God. 179 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 5: It's an interesting question because you think, Wow, you know 180 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 5: you're there in the presence of God already, You're a 181 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 5: special creation, a beautiful angel, powerful angel, and then all 182 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 5: of a sudden there's this rebellion. The belief in modern 183 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 5: Christian theology is very simple. 184 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: It's pride. 185 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 5: Now, Angels have the same ability to rebel as humans do, 186 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 5: with some exceptions. They have the total sum knowledge they 187 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 5: will will ever have, so anything done will be permanent, 188 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 5: and the decision has been made, both good and bad 189 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 5: has been made. So the one third of Heaven that 190 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 5: went with him all locked, that's their decision. Those that 191 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 5: stayed all locked, that's their decision. It is also said 192 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 5: that it is believed that angel have intellect, will, and 193 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 5: emotion as well, the same as humans do. Again, the 194 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 5: difference being they have the total some knowledge they're going 195 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 5: to have. Whereas you are accumulating knowledge throughout your life, 196 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 5: and only at the point of death will you be 197 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 5: at that point that that same point that an angel 198 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:17,319 Speaker 5: would be where you had the total knowledge of making 199 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 5: any decision that would be permanent. So now you take 200 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 5: all of those things, and you have this angel that 201 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 5: slowly starts becoming prideful, wanting to be God. Isaiah fourteen 202 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 5: twelve through fourteen. How you are fallen from heaven oday, star, 203 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 5: son of Dawn, How you are cut down to the ground. 204 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 5: You lay the nations low. You said in your heart, 205 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 5: I will ascend to heaven above the stars of God. 206 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 5: I will set my throne on high. I will sit 207 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 5: on the mount of Assembly. And it goes on and on, and. 208 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 4: Well, that's the version I'm kind of stuck at because 209 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,839 Speaker 4: so if angels are supposedly, you know, a thousand times 210 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 4: smarter than us humans are, I mean, how does that 211 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 4: make any sense that he knows that he's signing his 212 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 4: own descentence? Or does she think that? 213 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: Isn't that interesting? 214 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 5: Isn't that interesting that your assumption is that sin is 215 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 5: based on ignorance not intelligence. That's not the case. It's 216 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 5: a matter of thinking you can get away with it, 217 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 5: building up pride. That's what we talked about earlier, getting 218 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 5: to a place where you know, many criminals are caught 219 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 5: people they understand the consequences, but you fool yourself into 220 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 5: believing and you think it's an intelligent thing, and it's 221 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 5: not not at all. Pride supersedes that. Pride becomes the 222 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 5: power that leads, not the mind or the intellect. So 223 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 5: you go straight to the smarts when it's not smarts 224 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 5: at all. It has nothing to do with that. It's 225 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 5: pride that builds up exactly every time think about the 226 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 5: things you do wrong in life. So Sean, when you 227 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 5: make mistakes or you sin, you know you're you're coming 228 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 5: for that sin. You know you're approaching it, and you're 229 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 5: justifying it in your head. Well, it's okay if I 230 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:06,439 Speaker 5: speed because I need to get there and I'm a 231 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 5: little late, or I'm a good driver. These other people 232 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 5: are idiots, but I'm good and I'll take. 233 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:11,559 Speaker 1: Care of this. 234 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 5: You justify it, and that's all the enemy did. It's 235 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 5: not about intellect at all. There's very smart criminals out there. 236 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 5: All they do is they allow their emotions to supersede 237 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 5: their greed, to supersede their intellect, to transcend above that 238 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 5: and tell them, hey, you could be something even better 239 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 5: if you broke the rules. Karen, Welcome to the Jesus 240 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 5: christ Show. 241 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 3: Hi, good morning. I was wondering about pluralistic marriage where 242 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 3: a man could have more than one wife in the 243 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 3: Old Testament, and my husband and I are just driving 244 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,719 Speaker 3: along and discussing this. So I was wondering if you 245 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:52,239 Speaker 3: could give me some insight about when that became permissible 246 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 3: in the Old Testament and then when it stops being permissible. 247 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: Okay, it's not permissible, it's never permissible. 248 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 6: Good. 249 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: Why is your husband? 250 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 3: Uh? 251 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 5: Is he trying to negotiate with you? Or this is 252 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 5: just theological. 253 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 3: We're driving along and we've got the Bible. We just 254 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 3: we talk about things. 255 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: Okay, that's wonderful. 256 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 5: I was wondering, you know, somehow he was going, so, honey, 257 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 5: what would you think if we got a little, you know, 258 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 5: extra help around the house? 259 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 2: Uh? 260 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, probably not not a good idea. But since you 261 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 5: both are just looking at it academically, understand this that 262 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 5: not everything in the the Bible is prescribing what you 263 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 5: what you should do. Sometimes it just talks about what's 264 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 5: being done, and that happens throughout the entirety of scripture. Now, 265 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 5: there's ways that you can you can conclude based on 266 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 5: what's being said in scripture. Uh, that polygamy is not 267 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 5: for the godly person. In the New Testament, for Timothy 268 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 5: three to two and twelve Titus one six, it talks 269 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 5: about the standard and qualifications for spiritual leadership, and that 270 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 5: person is to be a husband of one wife, it says, right. 271 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 5: And it also goes on to talk about different things 272 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 5: that dealing with leadership, dealing a beat, like being above reproach, 273 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 5: being temperate, self control, respectable, hospitable. So if these things 274 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 5: are for every believer, then there's no reason to believe 275 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 5: in not just for leadership, there's no reason to believe 276 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 5: that the other qualifications here in this case dealing with 277 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 5: the husband of one wife, that that is not forevery 278 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 5: Christian either. Plus, you can look back to Adam and 279 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 5: Eve and the creation, that God was looking to build 280 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 5: a couple that would work together and that could be partners. 281 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 5: And the word in scripture is help meet, and that 282 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 5: God wanted Adam to have a help meet or help meet, 283 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 5: and in this case it was woman, and it was 284 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 5: one woman. So when you combine all those things and 285 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 5: you look, you can even find in Deuteronomy, Deuteronomy seventeen 286 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 5: fourteen through twenty, if you read through that you'll see 287 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 5: that it's talking about having that it's not good to 288 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 5: have multiple wives and these types of things. So anything 289 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 5: that's prescriptive, that's prescribing what you should do or not 290 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 5: do in scripture. 291 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: In scripture says no, not good. 292 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 5: But the other stuff is just describing what's taking place, 293 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 5: that there are people that were doing that, but it 294 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 5: describes all kinds of sins in scripture, correct. 295 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 3: Correct, And was the action of taking more than one 296 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 3: wife influenced by the cultures around them? 297 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 6: Sure? 298 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 5: Many times that's why you're not seeing a direct consequence. 299 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 5: So you're not seeing a consequence necessarily to it. So 300 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 5: you think, well, gosh, you know, maybe God is okaying 301 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 5: it or giving any thumbs up. No, there's a different friends, 302 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 5: because God allows all kinds of things, and the Father 303 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 5: is very allowing because humans need to make their decisions. 304 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 5: So if God was constantly coming down and stopping you 305 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 5: from making a decision, then no one would have free will. 306 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 5: And that in the case of people in scripture that 307 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 5: you know, people will say, well, what about you know, 308 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 5: mighty kings, what about Solomon? What about these things? Well, 309 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 5: if God says they're great, then how come they're doing 310 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 5: things that aren't great. But that's the entirety of scripture. 311 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 5: Moses was a murderer, you remember, Moses murdered the Egyptian 312 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:39,439 Speaker 5: and he looked left, he looked right, and forgot to 313 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 5: look up, you know. And so there's there's many times 314 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 5: where you will find people who miss the mark in 315 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 5: scripture that are still referred to as great men and women. 316 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 5: It's because they in overall, looking at them in comparison 317 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 5: to other humans and to the will and want of God, 318 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 5: that they're standing up to a certain standard. But they 319 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 5: all are sinners, and they all will make mistakes, and 320 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 5: some of them grievous mistakes. So there if you look 321 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 5: through scripture and the men of renown and those that 322 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 5: people often quote as being wonderful and great and everything, 323 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 5: they all have problems. And that goes for even great 324 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 5: kings with you know, the the heart and mind of God. 325 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 5: There are those that make many mistakes. But polygamy is 326 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 5: never in scripture condoned. It's allowed, just as any other 327 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 5: sin is allowed. 328 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: But not condoned. Very good, So I hope that helps 329 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: your drive this morning. 330 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 3: It does, it does, Thank you very much. 331 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 1: You're very welcome. 332 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,439 Speaker 5: There is nothing more beautiful to me than when a 333 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 5: couple takes the time to spend and discuss these things. 334 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 5: I just I think it's fabulous. It builds a wonderful 335 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 5: relationship between two people to engage in ideas and thoughts 336 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 5: and wondering. And so I commend you and your husband 337 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 5: for Karen for spending time in the car that most 338 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 5: people could just be quiet or you know, be upset 339 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 5: about how long it's taking to drive wherever these types 340 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 5: of things, and then using it for something so productive 341 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 5: and wonderful. 342 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's pretty cool. Bob, Welcome 343 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: to the Jesus Christ Show. 344 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 3: Hey, how are you? 345 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 7: Thank you for taking. 346 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: I'm well, how can I help you? 347 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 7: Well, I'm kind of in a dilemma. I'm a new 348 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 7: Bible reader, and you know, when you start, when you 349 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 7: talk about the Bible with people, everybody has an opinion. 350 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: Of course, but. 351 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 7: I'm sure not everybody is right because there's so many difference. 352 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:53,199 Speaker 7: So my question is I started at Genesis, and my 353 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:58,479 Speaker 7: dilemma is this. I read that Adam and Eve were 354 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 7: presented with an opportunity to make a decision, and they failed, 355 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 7: but the result of their decision was told to them 356 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 7: in advanced that they would positively die. My question is 357 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 7: were they do they did they have the prospect of 358 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 7: going to heaven? Because if that was presented to them, 359 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 7: the pros you know that they would positively die. Is 360 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 7: that prospect to all men that if you sin, you die? Now, 361 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 7: obviously we're sinners, so I guess we all die. I 362 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 7: guess just I want to know what their disposition is. 363 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 7: Do they have the opportunity to go to heaven? 364 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 5: I love that you are thinking this way. You've you've 365 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 5: pointed out some really wonderful things to be thinking about 366 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 5: from going through Genesis. So I want to commend you 367 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 5: on that you're going down the right, the right path 368 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 5: of how people should approach scripture. Scripture says in the 369 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 5: Selonians to test all things and hold fast to that 370 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 5: which is true. And I love that you're doing that. 371 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:06,719 Speaker 5: But let's look at a couple things. What is it 372 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 5: you have to look at what the words mean? What 373 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 5: does it mean to surely die? Well, it's not talking 374 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 5: about a physical death. It was talking about a spiritual death. 375 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 5: So you're rightly curious to say, well, does that mean 376 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 5: that they're for sure going to go to Hell? Which 377 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 5: is the spiritual death or what part does it play. 378 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 5: There's nothing in scripture that points to Adam and Eve 379 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 5: specifically that says Adam and Eve went to heaven or 380 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 5: paradise in their case. 381 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 1: Nothing. 382 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,880 Speaker 5: But you have to look at it in context and 383 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 5: look at it this way. Everyone that sins is going 384 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 5: down the path of surely dying. 385 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 1: So imagine. 386 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 5: And you tie that with later in scripture, the wages 387 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:57,199 Speaker 5: of sin are what yes, okay, so you know that 388 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 5: the wages of sin is death. God's saying here that 389 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 5: Adam and Eve, if they if they eat of this fruit, 390 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 5: will surely die. To the same statement, those that sin 391 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 5: will die spiritually. The only thing is so imagine it 392 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 5: more like a payment. Those that do this, in this case, 393 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 5: sin will have to pay a million dollars. Let's make 394 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,479 Speaker 5: it simple. We'll have to pay it a million dollars. 395 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 5: Will owe a million dollars. So that payment will have 396 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 5: to be made, is what it's implying throughout the entirety 397 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 5: of scripture that payment is going to have to be 398 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 5: made by someone. Now, a million dollars can be paid 399 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 5: by someone, but you have to think of it in 400 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 5: a way that it couldn't be paid by any individual. 401 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 5: So all that says will surely die is pointing to 402 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 5: the fact that it is the consequences or the judgment 403 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 5: is death. So our Jewish brothers and sisters look towards. 404 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 5: We're looking forward to the Messiah. So imagine this way 405 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 5: that really the things that they did were more like 406 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 5: writing a check on a bank account that will be 407 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 5: filled one day, whereas modern day Christians are looking backwards 408 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 5: at an already filled bank account that they're tapping into 409 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 5: by receiving Christ or not receiving Christ. Either they accept 410 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 5: or reject me. So if you look at it, all 411 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 5: those pieces play a part. What our Jewish brothers and 412 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 5: sisters did to write that check was to do sacrifices, 413 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 5: animal sacrifices, and those burnt offerings in the like were 414 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 5: pointing towards the ultimate sacrifice which would pay for it, 415 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 5: which was my death on the cross. You're taking all 416 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 5: of these things into account, and you read Genesis three 417 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 5: twenty one, and Genesis three twenty one says, and the 418 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 5: Lord God made for Adam and for his wife garments 419 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:03,120 Speaker 5: of skin and clothe them. Many theologians believe that this 420 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:09,199 Speaker 5: was actually the first sacrifice, and that this sacrifice that 421 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 5: is taking place there to make the garments and to 422 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 5: clothe them, points to the fact that they, Adam and Eve, 423 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 5: indeed were saved. And I say that in air quotes 424 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 5: to understand the difference between somebody looking forward and writing 425 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 5: that check by way of animal sacrifice versus a Christian 426 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 5: that is looking backwards towards the filled account that it 427 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 5: was paid for on the cross. So it's not the 428 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 5: it is the full justice, which is the full justice. 429 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 5: The wages of sin are death, period. However, that's for 430 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,919 Speaker 5: everyone across the board. Yes, even Adam and Eve. They 431 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 5: will surely know death. What that is to say is 432 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 5: they will understand they will have a debt that is 433 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 5: death that can only be paid for by death. 434 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: But in this case the sinless lamb. So it's all 435 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:19,640 Speaker 1: everyone that has ever sinned, oh man, all of sin 436 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: and fallen short of the glory of God. 437 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 5: The consequence of that is spiritual death. However, by receiving 438 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 5: the gift of grace, the blood on the cross, that 439 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 5: debt can be paid for. But that's after the crucifixion 440 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 5: and the resurrection. So prior to that, all the Jewish believers, 441 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 5: all of those that were people of faith were looking 442 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 5: forward towards the Messiah, Messiah, the Machikh, and therefore they 443 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 5: were writing the checks on that account, which is the sacrifice. 444 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 5: Genesis three twenty one lies the sacrifice by the garments 445 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 5: of skin. So that would imply to many theologians that 446 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 5: in fact Adam and Eve were saved by the grace 447 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 5: of God via the sacrifice. Also the relationship that God 448 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 5: has with them afterwards, although changes does not go away, 449 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 5: does not become obsolete, and so that points to that 450 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 5: as well. So really the scripture is best when you're 451 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,719 Speaker 5: reading it, and I love the way you're parsing it 452 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 5: and hearing those things, and they stood out to you 453 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 5: they should. But really, in the fullness of scripture, they 454 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 5: call it the hermeneutics. Reading through and seeing the harmony 455 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 5: of scripture throughout the entirety of scripture, not just one 456 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 5: book or one verse or something like that, you'll see 457 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 5: that that that overall theme is throughout the entirety of scripture, 458 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 5: that the debt is death, and the payment is my life, 459 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 5: my resurrected life, and that blood on the cross, and 460 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,239 Speaker 5: that death that took place the perfect and sinless and 461 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:10,160 Speaker 5: spotless lamb and the combination of those things, although look 462 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 5: a little different depending on what side of the cross 463 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 5: you're standing, if you're looking towards it not happening yet, 464 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 5: or looking back at it it's already happened. The actions 465 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 5: are different, but they have the same meaning. So that's 466 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 5: where Adam and Eve fall in that story. 467 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 1: It wasn't that God. 468 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 5: The Father was saying, you're you're gonna surely die and 469 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 5: there's no way out of it. It's saying that, yes, 470 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,719 Speaker 5: the wages of sin are death. That payment will have 471 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 5: to be made, and at this point, because the cross 472 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 5: had not occurred, the payment will be made by way 473 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:49,640 Speaker 5: of a burnt offering, an animal sacrifice, and that's talked 474 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 5: about in Genesis three twenty 475 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 4: One KFI six on demand