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Speaker 3: iHeartRadio dot com slash teachers. Well. As I mentioned the

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Speaker 3: emails already coming in regarding our in studio guest kind

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Speaker 3: enough to join us, Andy Lueger is with us. Now

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Speaker 3: here's what came in. Andy, as we welcome you back.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad you were able to survive the construction zone

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Speaker 3: that we're currently in. It's hard to find a spot,

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Speaker 3: isn't it, my aunt? There you go, there you go.

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Speaker 1: It better look gorgeous when it's I mean, this is

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Speaker 1: like it looks like you're rebuilding.

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Speaker 3: We're shrinking, is what we're doing, and rebuilding at the

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Speaker 3: same time, which is the way it works these days.

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Speaker 3: As I probably know.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to believe it's gonna be pretty when it's.

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Speaker 3: I hope so too. I really do just want to

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Speaker 3: say what a pleasure it was for a group of

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Speaker 3: us retirees meeting Andy Lueger yesterday. Oh yeah, as he

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Speaker 3: was picking up Matza ball soup at the Yum in

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Speaker 3: Saint Louis Park, glanced over to the counter and there

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Speaker 3: was Andy in a crisp white shirt looking sharp.

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Speaker 1: He came over.

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Speaker 3: We had a nice talk. We just want Andy to

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Speaker 3: know we are listening. That's Eric and the young boys

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Speaker 3: checking in the.

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Speaker 1: The point that you got to emphasize is looking sharp.

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Speaker 1: So let's let's make sure we save that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he loved that. I might need that someday, someday

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Speaker 3: down the road.

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Speaker 1: Now, they were great. They called me over and wanted

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Speaker 1: to talk about when I'm gonna be on the show.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna be on tomorrow. Well, here's what you

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Speaker 3: have to clear up right away. When are you running again?

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Speaker 3: I keep seeing online these reports, these rumors that Andy

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Speaker 3: Lueger is on the verge of announcing he's going to

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Speaker 3: run for something.

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Speaker 1: What am I running? Fight?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 1: That's and who? Why don't any of these people call.

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Speaker 3: Me, I don't know, or spell your name right, or

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Speaker 3: spell my name right. There's another issue.

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Speaker 1: Misspelling my name hurt. But I get you know, people

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Speaker 1: send this stuff to me because I'm not online. I

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Speaker 1: wonder who is saying this and why doesn't anybody just

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Speaker 1: pick up the phone call me and say, hey, you know,

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Speaker 1: before I go online and post this rumor. Because I'm

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Speaker 1: in the book, I'm not hard to find. Are you running?

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Speaker 1: And my answer is no, I'm I'm really not, really

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Speaker 1: really not running for office. And I don't know what

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Speaker 1: the act. I don't know what they think I'm thinking about.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the reports have tended to be very vague, but

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Speaker 3: I think it's name recognition. They want reaction with ho Luger. Okay,

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Speaker 3: well you've run before. Plus, as you know, people are

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Speaker 3: going to say, well, he's been a politician, so therefore,

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Speaker 3: even if he says no, no doesn't always mean no

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Speaker 3: in politics, just saying great.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of things I can't I can say

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Speaker 1: no to without anybody believing it. I just who starts

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Speaker 1: a rumor like that, I don't know. I don't one

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Speaker 1: of the There was a woman who was in one

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Speaker 1: is if you're out there and you listen to the show,

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Speaker 1: you should call me and tell me what you're hearing.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you why it's not true.

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Speaker 3: But don't you kind of like it deep down? Isn't

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Speaker 3: it good for the ego?

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Speaker 1: So one would argue my egos? Okay, yeah, there are

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Speaker 1: people that would tell you, Dan, you know, we're not

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Speaker 1: anymore of that. Luger's ego is in good shape. Been

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Speaker 1: to the doctor. Then he goes fine. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: fun to see your name, right, It's just like, what

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Speaker 3: Well? I think some of it is. We've talked about

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Speaker 3: But you know what, I've always wondered if you agree

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Speaker 3: The great irony of the whole situation that if you

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Speaker 1: When I ran for county attorney in two thousand and six,

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Speaker 1: Turns out she's a big DFL activist and you got

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Speaker 1: that's really good. That's not my understanding, but let me

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Speaker 1: looked at her. I said, people talk like that, and

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Speaker 3: And are you sorry you did? Did you feel more

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Speaker 3: Can you win if you don't check? We're back to

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Speaker 3: the new term. The last few years has been purity

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Speaker 1: When he first won, I was really into John Fetterman,

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Speaker 1: Christie in New Jersey. Now, Chris Christy kind of went off,

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Speaker 1: you know, has gone, in my view, gone a little

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Speaker 1: least says what the hell he thinks. Right. If I

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Speaker 1: which I won't, I would want to be more like that, Yes, like, heyah,

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Speaker 1: I know you you know I'm pro Israel, I know

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Speaker 1: This is who I am. I'm sorry, and just be

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Speaker 3: Well, I wasn't prepared for that, but since you brought

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Speaker 3: it up. No, no, it's it's an interesting subject because

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Speaker 3: a lot of stuff that's being written now indicates that

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Speaker 3: that issue and not being able to distinguish between whatever

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Speaker 3: you you pick up on that same issue.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, Look, there are very very legitimate concerns about

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Speaker 1: the policies of you know, Netnya who his government. I'm

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Speaker 1: That doesn't mean I want to destroy Gosma, and it

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Speaker 1: all of that, but that I separate that from you know,

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Speaker 1: Springsteen fantastic. You know, whatever Trump said about him recently.

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Speaker 1: There's no room for debate there, but there is plenty

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Speaker 3: Ken Is it possible to be critical of Israeli policy

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Speaker 1: I'm critical of Israeli policy and I'm not anti Semitic.

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Speaker 1: You can be highly critical of Israeli policy. But when

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Speaker 1: certainly after the Holocaust, when you talk about that, that

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Speaker 1: raised Zionism just means there's a homeland for the Jews,

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Speaker 1: That's my Zionism. I'm not racist. I'm not anti Palestinian

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Speaker 1: as my rabbis do, as others do, what Israel is doing,

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Speaker 1: without undermining the notion of a homeland for this.

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Speaker 3: People, isn't it though? Also, on the other hand, likely

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Speaker 3: in the United States of America, having nothing to do

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Speaker 1: Now. It's a very dangerous time, and to me, it's

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Speaker 1: part of a broader global picture where institutions, anything that's

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Speaker 1: So to bring this full circle, because I don't like

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Speaker 3: We're not running for anything. You can do that, but

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Speaker 1: We went to Springsteen Tuesday night. We went to dinner,

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Speaker 3: Yellow or brown Mustard, Andy Lueger.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't have I have strong feelings, but a

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Speaker 1: lot of things and or some things not on that.

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Speaker 1: I prefer brown. But I get it that people. I

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Speaker 1: get the people who were.

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Speaker 3: Pre yellow and a version of mayo.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, don't. I don't want to hear about mayo.

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Speaker 3: See that's what I put on sandwiches. Could put anything?

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Speaker 3: Is that bad on your bagel sandwiches?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, French bread. I mean I actually

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Speaker 3: do it less and less, but I have done it.

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Speaker 3: I'm not a mustard guy. I can't handle mustard. Sorry,

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Speaker 3: but like the flavor, you know.

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Speaker 1: And God bless you for that you could put I

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Speaker 1: put may I've put mayo on sandwiches. It's just not

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Speaker 1: a not a what do you call lunch meat sandwich?

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Speaker 1: Now you don't put anything corn beef for roast beef.

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Speaker 3: What year did you move here?

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Speaker 1: Nineteen ninety two?

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Speaker 3: Did Lincoln Dell still exist?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Lincoln Dell story.

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Speaker 3: Oh go ahead.

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Speaker 1: I know a woman.

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Speaker 3: I went because a couple of people asking about it.

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Speaker 3: And I used to love that spot.

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Speaker 1: I know, and I did.

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Speaker 3: I like love is an overset, Yeah, I would say

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Speaker 3: I like too. I didn't I wasn't irreligious about it.

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Speaker 1: My very first Jewish holiday, I went to pick up,

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Speaker 1: you know, the deli meat and the woman in front

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Speaker 1: of me was ordering a bagel and what was behind

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Speaker 1: the counter really wasn't a bagel.

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Speaker 3: And I know you remind me of on this issue,

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Speaker 3: Larry David. You're very curb your enthusiasm, like on this issue,

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Speaker 3: there's no negotiation for you.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so I you know, there was no filter back then.

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Speaker 1: Now I've got a filter now. And I just said

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Speaker 1: to her, what are you doing? And she looked at me,

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Speaker 1: and what do you mean? I said, don't don't. Don't

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Speaker 1: order that. I said, that's not a bagel, that's a

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Speaker 1: role with a whole. And the guy behind the counter

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Speaker 1: said who are you? And I said, I'm here to help.

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Speaker 1: And I don't remember what she did or didn't do,

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Speaker 1: but I sort of realized, you're not in Kansas anymore.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't anymore.

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Speaker 3: All right, why don't you establish your sports bona fides

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Speaker 3: here as a former player?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: For people who don't know, we generally talk obviously a

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Speaker 3: section stuff, a lot of political stuff, feeding our future stuff,

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Speaker 3: all those things. Today they were kind of trying to

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Speaker 3: mix it up a little bit, although we eventually might

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Speaker 3: get to some other political stuff and we already have

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Speaker 3: cover Israel. So give me your the For the audience

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Speaker 3: who don't know your history, they're your sports bonafides.

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Speaker 1: I played offensive guard, primarily left guard, a little bit

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Speaker 1: of right guard in football for twelve years, including my

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Speaker 1: freshman year in college, and football is kind of what

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Speaker 1: got me into college college where Amherst College, Massachusetts a powerhouse.

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Speaker 1: We were Division three, We were undefeated my final year.

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Speaker 1: You were Yeah, how good? Were you? Not that good?

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Speaker 3: Me? Or you individually good blocker? I was legitimately good guard.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes I was. I was not good enough to

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Speaker 1: play beyond Division three, but I was good. I was

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Speaker 1: co captain of my high school football team. I was good.

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Speaker 1: I was fast. I was a polling guard. I became

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Speaker 1: an offensive guard because I watched Jerry Kramer. Really yep,

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Speaker 1: Kerry Kramer inspired me to play football and to be

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Speaker 1: an offensive guard. And I got to tell him through

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Speaker 1: a friend. I got to tell him that story years later.

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Speaker 3: Jerry Kramer. That's a big name. I mean, that's an

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Speaker 3: old time name. But obviously he was part of the

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Speaker 3: Packers dynasty, one of Lombardi's favorite players wrote a great book,

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Speaker 3: too great was it?

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Speaker 1: Two books?

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Speaker 3: Instantly a Replay is the one I remember. Was everyone

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Speaker 3: after that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he wrote I'm a Jerry Kramer person. He wrote

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Speaker 1: Farewell to Football the year after when he decided to

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Speaker 1: hang up his cleats. But Instant Replay was about the

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Speaker 1: year that ended with the Ice Bowl, and the Ice

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Speaker 1: Bowl was a formative experience in my life, watching it

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Speaker 1: and watching the last play of the game, which many

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Speaker 1: people have not everybody realizes Jerry Kramer made the block

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Speaker 1: on Jethro Pew that allowed Bart Starr to score on

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Speaker 1: the sneak that won the Ice Bowl. And I've watched

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Speaker 1: that play a thousand times. I've got a picture of

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Speaker 1: it on the frame on the wall on a home

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Speaker 1: and watching him do that, and then reading the book

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Speaker 1: as a kid, that's what I want to do, and

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Speaker 1: I loved it well.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that remains one of the most mythic games

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Speaker 3: and plays in the history of football for people who

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Speaker 3: are historians and want to pay attention to more than

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Speaker 3: just what happened twenty minutes ago. A tremendous game and

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Speaker 3: one of the coldest obviously ever played as well Kramer.

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Speaker 3: The last year, What year was the super Bowl? Last year, Blakemore,

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Speaker 3: you look that up because I'm bad on years. But

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Speaker 3: the last time we had the super Bowl here super

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Speaker 3: Bowl Week. If you were working, you know what they

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Speaker 3: called media row. We had places, we were all lined

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Speaker 3: up upper level Mall of America. They had a bunch

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Speaker 3: of you know, a bunch of that's where all the

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Speaker 3: equipment was. And so the deal was you'd have a

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Speaker 3: bunch of national guests that would sort of go from

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Speaker 3: from you know, show to show some of them national

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Speaker 3: around the country. Obviously we were there for the reasons

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Speaker 3: that that we were hosting, and then you signed of

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Speaker 3: trying to figure out who the ones you really wanted,

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Speaker 3: and we got Kramer. Oh really he was tremendous. Oh well,

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Speaker 3: he was just outstanding. We had a great week. The

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Speaker 3: guest lineup was was exemplary, and he was he was

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Speaker 3: definitely one of the best. What year was that, twenty

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Speaker 3: eighteen fifty, that was the one.

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Speaker 1: Did you go to that game? No, but I went

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Speaker 1: to some of the parties. I got invited by friends.

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Speaker 1: I went to a couple of parties. I didn't go

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Speaker 1: to the I've never been to a Super Bowl, and

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Speaker 1: I got to fix that at some point. Kramer is

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Speaker 1: one of those old fashioned guys. And if you watch

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Speaker 1: and you know I do sort of the Vinsulambardi story

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Speaker 1: or the you know, whatever they put out on NFL

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Speaker 1: films or ESPN, the history of Visulambarty, it's always got Kramer.

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Speaker 1: And the famous picture of them carrying Lombardi off the

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Speaker 1: field after they win the Baseball and the Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: is Kramer is on Kramer's shoulders. And so he was

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Speaker 1: a just likely this formative person. And if you weren't

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Speaker 1: a football fan back in the sixties and seventies or

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Speaker 1: the at least sixties, they had the Packers sweep and

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to be the guard who led the sweep.

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Speaker 1: And I studied it and I watched it, and I

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Speaker 1: learned how to do it, and the idea of pulling

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Speaker 1: out and leading a running back I didn't need to.

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Speaker 1: I touched the football three times when I was in

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Speaker 1: the twelve years I played, and one of which was

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Speaker 1: a fumble that bounced into my hands as I was

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Speaker 1: doing a sweep. And you get a first down, everybody's

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Speaker 1: screams go down because they just assund and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I got the ball, I'm going I try and then

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Speaker 1: I heard the yelling go down and I went down.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I chick him out. But but to lead

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Speaker 1: a running back and clear the path for them was

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Speaker 1: nirvana for me, and that's what I wanted to do,

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Speaker 1: and I did that for years.

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Speaker 3: That's tremendous. Do you know David Marinis an award winning writer.

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Speaker 3: He still may be at the Washington Post. He was

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Speaker 3: at the Post for years. We've had him on for

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Speaker 3: almost every book he has done. Terrific, very talented reporter

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Speaker 3: and writer.

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Speaker 1: And he did I.

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Speaker 3: Think the best Lombardy biography when it was when Pride

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Speaker 3: Matt I think was the one he wrote. I believe

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Speaker 3: you can have Blakemore looked that up as well, but

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Speaker 3: an absolutely, I think the best Lombardi book I remember

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Speaker 3: being written as by David Marris, who's from Wisconsin originally.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Lombardy was just such a fascinating figure

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Speaker 1: and hated racism and you know.

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Speaker 3: All those way ahead of his time.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so I you know, I really admire that time period,

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Speaker 1: admired those players, and you know, back when you know

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Speaker 1: football players had a job in the off season selling

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Speaker 1: cars or something. I'm not saying we should go back

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Speaker 1: to that. I'm just it was. It was a different era, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's for sure.

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Speaker 3: So given that backdrop, you do duck in and out

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Speaker 3: from time to time and then text me about your

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Speaker 3: own reaction regarding several issues we've discussed, and the one

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Speaker 3: most recently, of course, was the historic Yukon comeback over Duke,

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Speaker 3: the misplay that led to the game winning shot, and

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Speaker 3: then the larger issue that comes up, which is why

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Speaker 3: we seem often is a human nature to fixate on

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Speaker 3: the screw ups more than we do the achievements. So

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Speaker 3: what what can you bring to that discussion or what

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Speaker 3: were you thinking about at that point?

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Speaker 1: So I always go back to the exact same place.

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Speaker 1: Pretty early on as a kid, I heard about Teddy

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Speaker 1: Roosevelt's speech the Man in the Arena, and everybody talks

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Speaker 1: to me, you know, nothing ventured, nothing gained. If you

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Speaker 1: don't try, you don't. But that always hit me home,

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Speaker 1: and I've you know, different people live their lives according

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Speaker 1: to different premises. That always stuck with me. So I

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Speaker 1: always believed in striving for something more than me. Maybe

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Speaker 1: even you are capable of or striving for the best

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Speaker 1: you can possibly be, and that comes with risks. And

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Speaker 1: if you're going to be on the duke basketball team,

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Speaker 1: you're going to have this moment in the sun and

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Speaker 1: there's a chance you're going to blow it. And that's

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Speaker 1: just how it is. And we need to kind of

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Speaker 1: to make at least sort of embrace that fact. What

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Speaker 1: is it Hoiberg with the four people four four or

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Speaker 1: only four of his players on the court, It's gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: We're not robots, we're human beings. And I both embrace

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Speaker 1: what happens. I feel badly for the person, and but

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Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta realize, I'm on the big stage.

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Speaker 1: Stuff's gonna happen. If you don't want to live with

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Speaker 1: the consequences of that, don't get on the big stage.

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Speaker 1: In my own little way, in my own career, in

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Speaker 1: my own world, I've you know, I've pushed the limits.

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Speaker 1: I've done some things that were risky and most of

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Speaker 1: them paid off, not all, And you know the risks

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Speaker 1: and you know, hey, I'm either gonna have mud on

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Speaker 1: my face or I'm gonna you know, succeed. So that's

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Speaker 1: how I feel like, because I think you were asking

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Speaker 1: somebody is it. Is it better to not have been

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Speaker 1: there at all? I think you got to be there

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Speaker 1: and you got to go into it.

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Speaker 3: Even if if it's a spectacular finish like that spectacular

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Speaker 3: in the wrong way, an infamous way, you're saying, you

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Speaker 3: still have to go for that.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely that at least if you can handle, yes, and

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Speaker 1: you got to learn and you know, psychologically emotionally not

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Speaker 1: everybody can handle that. I'm not sure. But if you're

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Speaker 1: gonna go and play a due can do. There's a

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Speaker 1: chance you're gonna miss the foul shot at the end

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Speaker 1: of the game. There's a chance that Christian Latner doesn't

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Speaker 1: hit that shot. Michael Jordan apparently always did. But there's

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Speaker 1: a chance, and we talked about this Freddie Brown nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty two NCAA Championship game against North Carolina passes it

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Speaker 1: to James Worthy on the different team with the game online,

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Speaker 1: with the game on it, there's a chance that's gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: So just being there, being in the arena to me

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Speaker 1: is what matters. And God bless you if you win

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Speaker 1: and if you hit the foul shot or you hit

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Speaker 1: the shot that Christian Layner did. But there's a chance

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Speaker 1: you won't and that's okay, all right, let's get we

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Speaker 1: got to get caught up.

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Speaker 3: One more break because we went long, and we went

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Speaker 3: to the bottom of the hour, Andy Luger, for one

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Speaker 3: more secon when we've got Russo Radio coming up at

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Speaker 3: the top of the hour. Lots of good texts are

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Speaker 3: coming in and we'll continue this conversation in just a minute.

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Speaker 3: So Brett Blake Moore tells me that Anthony Edwards has

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Speaker 3: been ruled out for the Wolves game against the Pistons tonight,

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Speaker 3: a game you can hear on the Timberwolves channel this evening.

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Speaker 3: And this is not knee related. He's kind of had

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Speaker 3: a chronic knee issue. It's being called illness. Is that correct?

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm seeing from Johnny Athletic to Alan Horton illness,

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Speaker 2: Andy Lueger, did you ever have to tell your coach,

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Speaker 2: I can't start the game because I need to use

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Speaker 2: the restroom, as Anthony Edwards did recently where he was

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Speaker 2: supposed to be.

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Speaker 3: Is his first game back from injury, and he was

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Speaker 3: supposed to start, but he didn't come into the game

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Speaker 3: immediately because he told the coach, well duty, I mean,

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Speaker 3: you know, Nature called, were you ever in that position? Amherst?

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Speaker 1: No, Nature never called me that much. I did have

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Speaker 1: to tell the coach there was a guy I couldn't

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Speaker 1: block when I was really guy was three hundred and

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Speaker 1: something pounds. He was running, and I just the coach said,

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Speaker 1: we'll just grab onto him and bring him down with you.

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Speaker 1: And I just started holding the guy every play because well,

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Speaker 1: and had a ref come up to me at one

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Speaker 1: boy he is the lugar. I said, what he just

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Speaker 1: hold him less.

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Speaker 3: He didn't say don't hold him at all, just said,

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Speaker 3: try to be a little more discreet.

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Speaker 1: Tony. That's from Hasburg Heights, New Jersey. I couldn't stop

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Speaker 1: him for anything.

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Speaker 3: You are a you have told me you're a committed

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Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy fan. You want to see this kid get

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Speaker 3: a chance to figure the damn thing out. You also

699
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Speaker 3: know that the team has decided to hedge its bet

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Speaker 3: they should there with Kyler Murray. So you're on board

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Speaker 3: with this or are you?

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Speaker 1: I am where I've always been. They needed a Kyler Murr.

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Speaker 1: I think they probably needed a Carson Wentz too. As

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Speaker 1: much as I love Max brosmur I don't think that

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Speaker 1: was happening. I think that JJ McCarthy is our quarterback,

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Speaker 1: will be our quarterback, should be our quarterback. And I

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Speaker 1: think he's had a rough start, but I still believe

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Speaker 1: in him. I've seen the talent, I've seen the ability.

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Speaker 1: I've listened to people talk about Kyler Murray. If Kyler Murray,

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Speaker 1: you know, sort of arrives yes and and and excels,

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Speaker 1: I'm thrilled.

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Speaker 3: I don't expect that will luger way in on which

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Speaker 3: game is more physical? This has become a debate point

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Speaker 3: on the show, as prompted by regular contributor John Krazinsky,

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Speaker 3: Hockey or basketball? What is a more grueling, physically punishing sport.

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Speaker 1: Wow, This has been a debate on the.

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Speaker 3: Show Massive, Massive, with a lot, a lot. It's become

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Speaker 3: as polarizing as anything politically that we've talked about in

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Speaker 3: the show for years.

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Speaker 1: I'm going with basketball.

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Speaker 3: You are going to basketball.

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Speaker 1: I am if you if you sit down close and

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Speaker 1: you watch the pounding that they do, and i mean, look,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm not a hockey fan, but you rotate

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Speaker 1: off every fifteen seconds. In hockey, they're always getting out

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Speaker 1: and taking a break. What are there? Are there three

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Speaker 1: lines or two lines?

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Speaker 2: Four?

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Speaker 3: Sometimes, but be careful who you ask behind you, because

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Speaker 3: he's the hockey, all right.

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Speaker 1: I don't and I don't mean that the mean hockey.

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Speaker 1: It's very physical and people break their noses. I get

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Speaker 1: all that. I just I just think the pounding they

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Speaker 1: do on each other in basketball is incredible. But I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to be a strong basketball. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to go with basketball. So I have to vote. I

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Speaker 1: voted basketball.

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Speaker 3: Okay, fair enough. We don't have a lot of time left,

739
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Speaker 3: but let's get I guess the news is broken official

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Speaker 3: that there's been another dismissal in the Trump administration involving

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Speaker 3: the Attorney general. Correct, what do we make of that?

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Speaker 1: I think it's a good thing. I've never been a

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Speaker 1: fan of hers. But somebody asked me today when it happened,

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Speaker 1: and I said, doesn't matter that much. It matters in

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Speaker 1: most administrations. Who's in these jobs really matters. It seems

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Speaker 1: in this administration everything comes from the president. So whoever

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Speaker 1: has that job is going to do what the president

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Speaker 1: wants them to do. It's not like we're going to

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Speaker 1: get some upgrade. I you know, she drove me crazy,

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Speaker 1: and she also she also went after the people Bondy

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Speaker 1: were talking about it. Yeah, she went after the people

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Speaker 1: who resigned on principle the day after they did, and

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Speaker 1: then on Fox News fired them from Minnesota. My friends

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Speaker 1: and I can't forgive that. So go back to Florida.

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Speaker 1: Do what you're going to do. But I don't think

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Speaker 1: this means an upgrade at the Attorney General's office either.

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Speaker 3: Isn't The number one reason that she was fired is

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Speaker 3: that she in the president, in his eyes, didn't do

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Speaker 3: his bidding to the degree that he demands. That's why

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Speaker 3: I don't know why there should necessarily be any celebration.

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Speaker 1: No, there's nothing to celebrate here. I mean, I good riddans,

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Speaker 1: is what I say. But right on the other hand,

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Speaker 1: there's nothing to celebrate about. The world will not get better.

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Speaker 3: Do we have a replacement named already because we've been

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Speaker 3: I haven't been even checking X during the break, so

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Speaker 3: our breaks.

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Speaker 1: Todd Blanche who's the deputy becomes the attorney general until

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Speaker 1: he confirmed somebody else. There was talk about this guy Zelden,

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Speaker 1: who's the EPA director, who will not be an improvement.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry to say.

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Speaker 3: Here's that you might I think you'll like this text

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Speaker 3: toom Oh by the way, well I'll save it because

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Speaker 3: as Anthon Edito was related, I'll save that for a

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Speaker 3: little bit later. This is from Brett, longtime listener via

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Speaker 3: Invergrove Heights. Lucer needs to be on more often just

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Speaker 3: talking about whatever he wants.

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Speaker 1: I agree.

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Speaker 3: I mean you probably prefer that so that it's not

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Speaker 3: always so heavy h also political.

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Speaker 1: We got into the Israel thing that I didn't come

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Speaker 1: in here. Let you talk about That's good.

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Speaker 3: That's how I want the conversation to be free flowing.

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Speaker 1: You never know.

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Speaker 3: I don't want it all scripted. So it turned out

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Speaker 3: to be fine real quick. I'll give you one other

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Speaker 3: a section one the Minneapolis police chief, so to start

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Speaker 3: to beuting a story suggesting that he is more under

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Speaker 3: fire because more complaints have come up. Where are you

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Speaker 3: on this story?

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Speaker 1: So I'll be very clear. I am as pro Brian

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Speaker 1: hel'hara as you can get. Bryan O'Hara and I became

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Speaker 1: very good friends when he got here because he's the

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Speaker 1: most effective police chief since in the entire time I've

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Speaker 1: lived in Minnesota. He is driving change where we need it,

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Speaker 1: and he is on the scene. He works twenty four

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Speaker 1: hours a day. He knows policing, and he rubs people.

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Speaker 1: I guess the wrong way, because you can't be a

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Speaker 1: change agent without doing that. And I don't you know

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Speaker 1: the bits and pieces we get about what those complaints

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Speaker 1: are that he was rude to a guy and he

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Speaker 1: dyna he's a great police chief, and we need to

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Speaker 1: be focusing on the results and the passion and the

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Speaker 1: skill that he brings to the job, and how he

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Speaker 1: comms people during times of crisis by going on TV

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Speaker 1: and saying what's really happening. That's who I want for

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Speaker 1: my police chief. And so unless there's you know, I

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Speaker 1: don't buy any of this stuff, they're going to be

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Speaker 1: sniping at him because he's bringing change.

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Speaker 3: Well, the irony is I thought among many of the

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Speaker 3: activists they wanted change, that was the whole idea. They

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Speaker 3: didn't want someone who is going to go along. That

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Speaker 3: to me is what doesn't quite connect with me on

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Speaker 3: this end that if you're going to do that, then

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Speaker 3: they're going to be rough edges and they're going to

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Speaker 3: be disagreement. So you're back to wanting what exactly.

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Speaker 1: When when I was US Attorney and Mayor Fry had

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Speaker 1: an opening a police chief and announced that one of

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Speaker 1: the finalists was Brian o'haron. I have former police chief

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Speaker 1: friends around the country. Who are you know, police reform experts,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. I got all these phone calls saying, Andy,

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Speaker 1: this is the number one draft choice in police chiefs.

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Speaker 1: You got to get him, and he arrived. He and

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Speaker 1: I connected all the gang stuff, all the carjacking stuff

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Speaker 1: that I did in lockstep with Brian o'hier.

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Speaker 3: Last text, you also need a good pickle with those

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Speaker 3: Deli sandwiches. Are you a big pickle guy?

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Speaker 1: I am. That's a really good point. I don't fly

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Speaker 1: in my pickles. I guess somebody criticized much money I

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Speaker 1: spend on. But look, you got a certain amount of money,

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Speaker 1: you pick and choose where you want to spend it. Correct.

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Speaker 3: I don't you know, I dot it's cost thousands of dollars.

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Speaker 1: Does not cost thousands of dollars. It's a little extravagant

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Speaker 1: to fly in bagels. I do it three or four

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Speaker 1: times a year. I don't you know. That's a really

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Speaker 1: good point. And New York delis have great pickles, you know,

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Speaker 1: like Cecils has good there. You can get a good

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Speaker 1: pickle in Minnesota.

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Speaker 3: All right, fair enough. I enjoyed the hour. Thank you

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Speaker 3: for coming in. I appreciate it. And now we'll talk soon.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having Andy Lueger in studio. We got Russo

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Speaker 3: Radio from the arena formerly known as the X.

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Speaker 1: That's