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Speaker 1: The following takes place between seven pm and eight pm.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's get to it. Seven O eight seven

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Speaker 2: hundred WLW Welcome in rn AL Carrier Sports Talk presented

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Speaker 2: by Kelsey Chevrolet. I'm Lance Pcalister. Glad you are here.

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Speaker 2: Settle in two hours to get it done tonight. Man,

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Speaker 2: do we have stuff to get done? And who better

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Speaker 2: who's been all over the story of the day today.

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Speaker 2: I think it's fair to say everybody buzzing from here

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Speaker 2: to Goodyear about the news on Hunter Green elbow discomfort.

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Speaker 2: You will see doctor Tim kremcheck then get a second opinion.

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Speaker 2: He's got an MRI scheduled. We'll know more perhaps early

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Speaker 2: next week. But let's get more from the man on

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Speaker 2: the scene and covering all this today and sorting through

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Speaker 2: it for the Inquirer Cincinnati dot Com. That would be

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Speaker 2: Pat Brennan. How are you, Lance, I'm doing great. Thanks

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Speaker 2: a lot for having me on. Help us, help me

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Speaker 2: trace a little of the timeline this This starts back

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Speaker 2: towards the end of last season. He was dealing with

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Speaker 2: some discomfort at the end of last season.

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Speaker 3: Correct, he was, That's what that's what Hunter told us today.

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Speaker 3: He said it was over the last five or six

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Speaker 3: starts of the season last year. I took that to

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Speaker 3: mean that would I mean that the timeline that would

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Speaker 3: obviously include his start against the Dodgers and the playoffs,

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Speaker 3: and he was managing the discomfort. And a few people

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Speaker 3: have asked me today, you know, why wasn't this dealt

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Speaker 3: with in the offseason. Well, Hunter told us that the

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Speaker 3: pain kind of it dissipated and the urgency just I

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Speaker 3: guess wasn't there to to get this image scanned or

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Speaker 3: whatever after the playoff loss to LA And you know,

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Speaker 3: he said the discomfort kind of re emerged about a

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Speaker 3: week before spring training, got an injection, and he's been

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Speaker 3: managing it throughout. But I woke up yesterday Lance before

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Speaker 3: a side bullpen session, reported the stiffness, And basically where

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Speaker 3: they're at now is they just want to nip this

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Speaker 2: Pat I've always I've always found him to be a

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Speaker 2: very smart, very aware individual, always aware of his surroundings

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Speaker 2: and what he's saying. Did was there any sense in reading,

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Speaker 2: listening to words or body language of how much he

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Speaker 2: That may be a weird question or poorly worded.

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Speaker 4: Question, but no, no, I understand. I think I agree

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Speaker 3: I mean, Hunter is so polished in these interview settings,

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Speaker 3: and every word has meaning, every word is calculated and purposeful.

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Speaker 3: And I didn't I didn't sense alarm from him today,

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Speaker 4: He knows that his UCL is intact.

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Speaker 3: Uh, He's also aware of some bone spurs he has

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Speaker 3: in this area, in this general area of his body.

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Speaker 3: I'm not a doctor and I'm not his doctor, so

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure exactly where the bone spurs are lance,

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Speaker 3: But you know, he's really aware of what's going on.

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Speaker 3: I think listening to him talk, there's he is aware

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Speaker 3: But you know, like I said, he also knows that

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Speaker 3: where we're at right now, I look, it's disconcerting however

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Speaker 3: And that's just the point that we're at right now,

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Speaker 2: Pat what will in the timeline, what take us through,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So by the end of the week, he'll have

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Speaker 3: seen longtime Reads team doctor Tim Kremchek, he'll have his MRI.

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Speaker 3: That's not surprising that he would get a second opinion

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Speaker 3: Terry Francona and Nick Crawl expects to have a more full,

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Speaker 2: Pat My Butler math tells me that opening day would

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Speaker 2: make it conducive to Hunter being a part of the equation, right.

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Speaker 3: Terry Francona and nikral were really careful and understandably so

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Speaker 3: To me, that's that he's basically shut down. Is shut

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Speaker 4: In terms of hunters starting the year on time at

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Speaker 2: So how at least for the moment, how would and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well they're not I mean officially.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think they're fixed pretty well for dealing

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Speaker 3: Chase Petty, you throw his name in there. There's there

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Speaker 3: Go down, the Reds are fixed to kind of survive

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Speaker 2: You touched. You touched on Rhett and boy, you're right

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Speaker 2: he he must have been dealing today in those three innings.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to be fair. Terry Francona made a

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Speaker 2: Let me, as I wrap this up, I don't want

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Speaker 3: Well, they didn't have it today as they were using

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Speaker 2: I always enjoy this. I can't imagine how busy and

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Speaker 2: hectic your day was chasing around stuff right and stuff,

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Speaker 2: and for you to make time tonight after a game

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Speaker 2: means a great deal to me. It's a perfect way

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Speaker 4: So thank you. That's my pleasure. Lance, Thank you boy.

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Speaker 2: That For those who want to read more, as I mentioned,

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Speaker 2: you're all over it. Tell them where they can read

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Speaker 3: Awesome stanny dot com and I'm on ex at P

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Speaker 4: Sounds good. Thank you Pat again, Thank you Lane. Right there,

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Speaker 2: Pat Brennan from the Inquirersincinni dot Com the News of

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Speaker 2: the day, Hunter Green, I got a feeling that we're

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Speaker 2: aay Wednesday Night on RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented by

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Speaker 2: Kelsey Chevalet seven hundred WLW all right, seven twenty four,

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Speaker 2: Chevrolet on Lance mccallis. You're your host, Joe whatell your producer.

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Speaker 2: We rolled till nine tonight, hand things off to If

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Speaker 2: it's Wednesday, must be Dan Carroll. He'll take you nine

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Speaker 2: a couple of the headlines. Reds, as you may have heard,

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Speaker 2: RNL Carrier Sports talk Ed by Kelsey Chevrolet seven hundred

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Speaker 2: Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet. And we have a trade.

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Speaker 2: The Reds have traded infield or outfitter Tyler Callahan to

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Speaker 2: they needed Hunter's gonna miss the year and they need

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Speaker 4: He's a reliever.

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Speaker 2: Made thirty one appearances last year in the Majors with

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Speaker 2: be here. Everybody loved Tyler Callahan. We remember the gruesome

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Speaker 2: they say, someone once said, you can never have enough

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Speaker 2: gonna lean and it's why I asked that Brendan the

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Speaker 2: Hunter would have said no. Man hers made it very clear.

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Speaker 4: Now this is like the third thing.

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Speaker 2: So man, it's hard to it's hard to plant my

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Speaker 9: Hunter will not be the first pitcher that has come

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Speaker 6: He was scheduled to come in and throw yesterday, didn't

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Speaker 9: it for this amount of time how many ever days

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Speaker 9: or whatever that time period is that you are resting,

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Speaker 9: then that's how much time you're going to miss in

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Speaker 9: the regular season. If he doesn't come right back and

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Speaker 9: is able to play catch, then that'll put him on

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Speaker 9: the back burner.

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Speaker 2: Temmy and Cowboy earlier today. Now, I want to walk

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Speaker 2: through this because the debate, the conversation has been who's

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Speaker 2: the fifth starter. Is it Chase Burns or is it

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Speaker 2: Read Louder. Well, now it would be both unless something

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Speaker 2: goes haywire, which leads to an interesting conversation. And I

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Speaker 2: want to backtrack to last week when Cowboy floated this

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Speaker 2: idea of how to handle if it was going to

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Speaker 2: be Burns or Louder for the fifth spot. Listen to

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Speaker 2: what Cowboy said last week about the value of Chase

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Speaker 2: Burns pitching in the bullpen and Rehet Louder if continuing

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Speaker 2: to pitch well, pitching in the rotation.

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Speaker 4: Here's what Cowboy said.

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Speaker 9: Is Rhet Louder ready to pitch up here? If he's

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Speaker 9: ready to pitch up here, then that makes your decision

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Speaker 9: that much more difficult. You know for a fact that

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Speaker 9: you could put Chase Burns in the bullpen and he

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Speaker 9: would make your bullpen an absolute rock star bullpen. You

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Speaker 9: need somebody to be able to piggyback get to the

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Speaker 9: back end of the bullpen, so you're not taxing your

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Speaker 9: bullpen early. My opinion is, if Louder is ready to go,

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Speaker 9: why would you waste his innings in triple A. You're

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Speaker 9: only gonna get one hundred plus innings out of him.

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Speaker 9: You're trying to put your focus on augustin Setimber. You

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Speaker 9: can use Chase Burns in the bullpen and extend him

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Speaker 9: stretch him out in the bullpen. I mean he could

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Speaker 9: come in and pitch him the sixth inning and close

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Speaker 9: the game six seven, eight nine. I mean that's the

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Speaker 9: kind of guy he is. He can get ready in

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Speaker 9: a hurry. Louder is not gonna be a guy that

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Speaker 9: you're gonna put in the bullpen. My question is is

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Speaker 9: if he's really ready to pitch, are you gonna waste

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Speaker 9: those innings in Triple A's.

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Speaker 2: Great point by the Cowboy that was last week. Things

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Speaker 2: have now changed and potentially the need for both in

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Speaker 2: the starting rotation. Yet, as Chris Welsh pointed out earlier

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Speaker 2: this week prior to the Hunter Green News, you know

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Speaker 2: there's there's differences in innings. There's a difference between a

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Speaker 2: spring training inning and a major league inning. And Red

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Speaker 2: Ladder pitched well today, but is Pat Brennan pointed out

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Speaker 2: it was against a Cuban national team with not many

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Speaker 2: Major leaguers. Most of those guys I'd never heard of,

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Speaker 2: so understand that. And Chris laid out the scenario with

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Speaker 2: somebody like Rhet Lauder and Brandon Williamson coming back from

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Speaker 2: missing last season, the idea of letting them ramp up

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Speaker 2: in the miners listen to what he said.

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Speaker 4: The one thing I think.

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Speaker 10: Is interesting here is that both Brandon Williamson and Louder

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Speaker 10: lost the.

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Speaker 4: Entire year last year.

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Speaker 10: So you're asking these guys to come back after losing

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Speaker 10: an entire season and pitch at the big league level.

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Speaker 4: That's a hard thing to do.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, So for that reason, if not any others alone,

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Speaker 10: I think that that would give those guys a chance

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Speaker 10: to go back and pitch regularly in the minor leagues.

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Speaker 4: Then you get Chase Burns at the big league level. Okay.

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Speaker 6: So the other argument to that would be, why waste

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Speaker 6: bullets down a triple A just to prove that they

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Speaker 6: can they pitch and do well and you know, under

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Speaker 6: real game circumstances.

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Speaker 10: I think real game circumstances and triple A is a

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Speaker 10: better gauge have than watching spring training baseball, especially in Arizona.

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Speaker 4: Hmmm.

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Speaker 2: Now again those comments made prior to this news. Now

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Speaker 2: and this is the fly and the ointment, because in theory,

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Speaker 2: you would say, hey, every team in Major League Baseball

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Speaker 2: would love to have Rhet Louder to fill in if

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Speaker 2: Hunter Green goes on begins the season on.

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Speaker 4: The injured list.

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Speaker 2: It's a former first round pick, and yet Rhet Louder

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Speaker 2: didn't pitch all of last season. He's gonna be on

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Speaker 2: an innings watch, and Chase Burns is gonna be on

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Speaker 2: an innings watch. So at some how do I want

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Speaker 2: to put this. This is more of an issue. This

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Speaker 2: isn't a in the moment issue, depending on the severity

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Speaker 2: of Hunter's injury. It's more of a down the road

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Speaker 2: concern because both Burns and Louder could be in the

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Speaker 2: rotation opening day, but they won't be in the rotation

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Speaker 2: the entire season. At some point they're gonna run out

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Speaker 2: of innings, and the hope would be by that point,

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Speaker 2: whatever point Hunter Green has rejoined the mix, All right,

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Speaker 2: we come back some college basketball to get to. By

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Speaker 2: the way, at eight oh six, I'm gonna try something

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Speaker 2: I've never done it before.

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Speaker 4: I just look at it this way.

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Speaker 2: I have heard everybody and their brothers say something about

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Speaker 2: the Miami RedHawks, and most of it critical what I

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Speaker 2: have not done, and I'm gonna do At eight oh six,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna try to do a segment for Miami basketball

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Speaker 2: fans to call about their team for a segment because

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Speaker 2: I've heard everybody from Bruce Pearl to Dick Fi Talent.

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Speaker 2: Everybody hasn't a big Wall Street Journals writing about the

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Speaker 2: Miami red Hawks. I don't know that I've had somebody

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Speaker 2: call and talk about their team the Miami RedHawks this season.

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Speaker 2: Tried that in the eight o'clock hour. But straight ahead

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Speaker 2: the night for UC Xavier and the RedHawks. As we

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Speaker 2: continue with RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevallet

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Speaker 2: seven hundred WLW. Hey I'm on Twitter. I'd be honored

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Speaker 2: if you followed. If you already do, thank you at

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Speaker 2: Lance McCalister on Twitter. Don't look now here come the

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Speaker 2: UC Bearcats, winners of six of seven. After hammering BYU

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Speaker 2: last night ninety to sixty eight on Senior Night, Bearcats

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Speaker 2: forced the Cougars into fifteen turnovers tournament to twenty one points.

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Speaker 2: You realize during this stretch of winning six of seven,

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Speaker 2: U se is winning by an average of nineteen points

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Speaker 2: a game. In the six wins in this stretch, they

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Speaker 2: beat UCF by twenty, won by twenty nine at Kansas State,

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Speaker 2: beat Utah by four, beat number eight Kansas at Kansas

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Speaker 2: by sixteen, beat Oklahoma State by twenty three, beat BYU

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Speaker 2: by twenty two. They're now seventeen and thirteen overall, nine

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Speaker 2: and eight in the Big Twelve. Next up, they close

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Speaker 2: out the regular season at TCU last night Senior night,

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Speaker 2: and Wes was talking about Day Day Thomas last night

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Speaker 2: with Dan and Terry after the game.

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Speaker 11: We had a lift tonight from this building. I really

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Speaker 11: appreciate how people showed up for dayde Thomas tonight on

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Speaker 11: a senior night. I told my team I would not

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Speaker 11: get emotional before the game, and it was hard not to.

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Speaker 4: But I really genuinely.

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Speaker 11: Appreciate every single person that made this a special atmosphere

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Speaker 11: to night for that kid, because he's what it's about,

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Speaker 11: and he's what college basketball is all about. And I

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Speaker 11: have so many stories. But he could have made more money,

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Speaker 11: he could have left every year. I mean, it's incredible.

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Speaker 11: So I really appreciated the lift that the building gave

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Speaker 11: us tonight.

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Speaker 5: That was special.

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Speaker 2: Jada twelve Last night. In a winning effort, Xavier falls

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Speaker 2: at home to Seaton Hall seventy seven sixty eight. Musketeers

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Speaker 2: now fourteen and sixteen overall six and thirteen in the

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Speaker 2: Big East. The Bad News Trade. Carroll goes down with

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Speaker 2: a hip injury within the first four minutes of the game,

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Speaker 2: played right at four minutes, did not score. Tough to

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Speaker 2: fill that hole. Musketeers couldn't do it. Seventy seven to

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Speaker 2: sixty eight final to Seaton Hall. And then there's the

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Speaker 2: Miami RedHawks thirty and oh After a seventy four seventy

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Speaker 2: two win over Toledo sellout crowd at Mallet last night.

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Speaker 2: They never trailed on Senior Night, defense locked down the

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Speaker 2: Rockets on the final possession. Miami is now seven to

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Speaker 2: zero in one possession games this year. It's their first

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Speaker 2: MAC regular season championship since two thousand and five. Fourth

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Speaker 2: team this century to start thirty and OZHO, joining Wichitas State, Kentucky,

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Speaker 2: and Gonzaga. The RedHawks become the first min American Conference

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Speaker 2: team in conference history to win seventeen in a row

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Speaker 2: in conference play. Is their thirty first rated home. They

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Speaker 2: survived a fifteen turnover night Big One coming up on

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Speaker 2: Friday night at Ohio to close out the regular season.

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Speaker 2: Travis Steele talking about victory and what this season has

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Speaker 2: been like with Terry Bridge on the Miami Radio Network.

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Speaker 5: Really happy for our guys and just our whole alumni

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Speaker 5: base and all the former players and former coaches. Man,

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Speaker 5: there's such a tradition here and I hope we're making

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Speaker 5: everybody proud.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 5: It's been a fun ride so far. But we still

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Speaker 5: got a lot of season left, you know. But it

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Speaker 5: isn't exciting. This is a big moment for us, Mandel.

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Speaker 5: It's really really difficult to win the regular season title.

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Speaker 5: It's a marathon. It's wor getting everybody's best shot. It's difficult, man,

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Speaker 5: So you know, kudos to our guys. I got a

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Speaker 5: tremendous staff.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 5: I'm just so happy for all these guys, build experiences.

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Speaker 4: The Miami community, man is really strong. It's a strong brand, man.

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Speaker 5: And when you put a good product out there, and

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Speaker 5: you got our marketing department who's done a phenomenal job

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Speaker 5: as well this year, man, and everybody's pulling in the

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Speaker 5: same direction.

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Speaker 4: It's amazing.

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Speaker 2: What can happen?

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Speaker 4: Ohio comes up on Friday night?

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Speaker 3: That will be rocking in the nine pm national televisions.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's gonna be a fun one.

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Speaker 5: Man. It's gonna be a blast. We're gonna get their

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Speaker 5: best shot. Our guys will be ready to roll.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 5: It's a players game, man, those are the games you

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Speaker 5: come to college to come to Miami.

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Speaker 2: To play Travis Steele last night with Terry Bridge and

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Speaker 2: the Miami Radio Network thirty and Oh. I mentioned in

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Speaker 2: the Wall Street Journal reference this this week and writing

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Speaker 2: about the Miami RedHawks. They're the most polarizing basketball team

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Speaker 2: in the country. Everybody has an opinion about the Miami RedHawks,

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Speaker 2: and it seems most of that the volume is coming

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Speaker 2: from the critics, the the doubters, the naysayers. Those referenced

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Speaker 2: the strength of schedule that Bruce Pearls has made news

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Speaker 2: in the last week. What I'm gonna try to do

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Speaker 2: in the eight o'clock hour, and I've got some Red's

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Speaker 2: highlights I want to get to and on this date,

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Speaker 2: to get to a couple of different things, but maybe

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Speaker 2: for a segment.

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Speaker 4: And I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I was told this week I talked too much Miami

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Speaker 2: and that's one person. And that person said, you don't

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Speaker 2: live in Oxford, you live in Cincinnati, And yet they're

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Speaker 2: thirty and oh, I think it's the coolest story in

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Speaker 2: college basketball this year. So what I wanna what I

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Speaker 2: want to do for maybe a segment to begin the

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Speaker 2: eight o'clock hour. If you are a Miami Redhawk fan.

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Speaker 2: I'm not looking for somebody to call that's not a fan,

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Speaker 2: to pat him on the back or pat him on

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Speaker 2: the head, or rip the strength of schedule. I'm looking

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Speaker 2: for somebody who's simply a Red Hawk fan who's proud

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Speaker 2: of thirty and Oh we'll do that after news, It's

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Speaker 2: RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevelet seven hundred.

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Speaker 1: The following takes place between eight pm and nine pm.

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Speaker 2: All right, one of the books one to go for

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Speaker 2: the show we call sports Talk Arenel Carrier Sports Talk

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Speaker 2: presented by Kelsey Chevrolet. I'm alliance of Macalister Man. We

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Speaker 2: jumped in with both feet on the Reds and Hunter

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Speaker 2: Green front to lead off the show one hour ago.

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Speaker 2: Pat Brennan from the acquired that podcast will be available

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Speaker 2: seven hundred, WLW dot com and through the iHeart Radio app.

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Speaker 2: Podcasts presented by my friends at Modern Office Methods. We

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Speaker 2: love Modern Office Methods. We'll get back into the Reds

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Speaker 2: in this hour. I've got an on this date to

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Speaker 2: get to and more, but I want to begin with

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Speaker 2: the Miami right Hawks are the coolest story in college

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Speaker 2: basketball right now. I like cool stories. I like talking

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Speaker 2: about fun, cool things. This is a magical story. They're

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Speaker 2: thirty and oh, a team in Oxford, Ohio, in the

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Speaker 2: Mid American Conference is thirty and oh, the only undefeated

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Speaker 2: college basketball team in all of Division one. Could not

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Speaker 2: be happier for Travis Steele in his second opportunity after

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Speaker 2: the Xavier opportunity. Couldn't be happier or more impressed by

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Speaker 2: how he has handled all of the attention that's come

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Speaker 2: with this. And he has made himself available to speak

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Speaker 2: on every front to spread the message of Miami basketball,

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Speaker 2: and his messaging to his team clearly.

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Speaker 4: Has hit home.

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Speaker 2: They've dealt with more and more and more attention, sellout crowds,

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Speaker 2: media has shown up from all parts of the country

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Speaker 2: sticking microphones in their faces, and that's not easy when

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Speaker 2: you're not used to it. And that team has not flinched.

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Speaker 2: They have taken everybody's best shot, road games, sellout crowds,

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Speaker 2: promotions to come out and make it a tough night

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Speaker 2: for the Miami RedHawks, and they have stared down every

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Speaker 2: opponent seven to zero in one possession games. His players

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Speaker 2: they it is a fun style of basketball to watch.

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Speaker 2: They share the ball, they shoot it, well, they win

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Speaker 2: close games, and everybody and their brother is talking about

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Speaker 2: the Miami RedHawks.

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Speaker 5: What.

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Speaker 8: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it shouldn't bother me because they're not I can't

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Speaker 2: claim him as like my team. But it bothers me

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Speaker 2: that so much of the narrative now is to criticize

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Speaker 2: and cast doubt on the Miami RedHawks. They've got the

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Speaker 2: three hundred and whatever strength to schedule. Oh, if they

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Speaker 2: played in the Big Twelve, they win this many games.

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Speaker 2: It just it's to me, it's kind of tiresome. But

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Speaker 2: more anything else, I think it's un fair. Bruce Pearl

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Speaker 2: has made headlines over the last week. The former Auburn

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Speaker 2: coach who came out is in his role as a

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Speaker 2: national analyst and was talking about how Miami's not one

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Speaker 2: of the best teams in the coach sixty eight best

696
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Speaker 2: teams in the country, wouldn't deserve a bid if they

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Speaker 2: don't win the automatic bid, and that's led to continuing

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Speaker 2: discussion about the Miami Red Hawks. Travis Steele after the

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Speaker 2: game last night, was asked about Bruce Pearl. Listen to

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Speaker 2: what Travis said.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Number one, I'm an address Bruce. I like Bruce.

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Speaker 4: I do. And Bruce a great guy.

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Speaker 5: I'm not calling Bruce and asking him for his opinion

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Speaker 5: on our team.

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Speaker 4: All respect that.

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Speaker 5: Bruce, Bruce is a way better coach than I'll ever be.

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Speaker 5: All right, Like he's a he's a he's a Hall

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Speaker 5: of famer. He's won everywhere he's been back. Got what

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Speaker 5: I talk. I get care less with that, he says.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's we control our own deskin. That's let's

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Speaker 5: prepare the right way. Let's let's let's focus on the

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Speaker 5: right things now. For David uh sailor, I love that

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Speaker 5: he's going to back for us. Now. He's a fighter,

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Speaker 5: you know, he's gonna fight for us, you know. So

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Speaker 5: he's not afraid to afraid of anybody, and he wants

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Speaker 5: to see our program do really well and get to

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Speaker 5: get the recognition to deserve.

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Speaker 4: So I appreciate David's I guess it's worse.

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Speaker 5: I don't even know what he said or what's happened,

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Speaker 5: but like I've heard, but that haven't really seen it.

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Speaker 4: So I appreciate David Dell.

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Speaker 2: David Saylor, the director of athletics who has taken on

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Speaker 2: all comers and been on any show willing to have

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Speaker 2: him talking about the case for the Miami RedHawks. After

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Speaker 2: the game last night, Scott Van Pelt on ESPN Sports

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Speaker 2: Center had Travis on live and asked Travis about the

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Speaker 2: message to his team through all the criticism and doubts

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Speaker 2: being cast upon their their resume. Here's what Travis said

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Speaker 2: to ESPN.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I told our guys earlier.

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Speaker 5: I said, there's going to be people out there that

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Speaker 5: are going to try to tear us down, you know,

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Speaker 5: and it is what it is. But I don't if

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Speaker 5: I'm not calling those people and asking for their opinion

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Speaker 5: on our team or for what we need to do,

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Speaker 5: then why the heck should we listened.

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Speaker 4: To them right now?

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Speaker 5: That's sure, right, you got to focus on the things

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Speaker 5: we can control, and that's having a great film session tomorrow,

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Speaker 5: great lift, a great practice to get ready for the

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Speaker 5: next game.

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Speaker 4: We control our own destiny.

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Speaker 5: But that's the beauty of this thing, and our group

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Speaker 5: has done such a great job of just staying present

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Speaker 5: and staying in the moment.

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Speaker 2: Travis Steele last night. So this is what I thought

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Speaker 2: I would do. And again it's against the backdrop of

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Speaker 2: I get pushedback for talking about Miami as much as

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Speaker 2: I talk about Miami. To me, why wouldn't you talk

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Speaker 2: about Miami. They're thirty at oh And it's just it

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Speaker 2: seems like every opportunity presented to talk about Miami turns

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Speaker 2: into some form of debate or criticism about Miami. And

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Speaker 2: I said to me, if I were a fan, that

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Speaker 2: would I like the diehard who add a claim to

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Speaker 2: it more than I do that it would bother me,

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Speaker 2: so I said. And I don't know. I feel comfortable

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Speaker 2: doing things I've never done before because I don't know

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Speaker 2: how much they're gonna work. I'm just wondering if there's

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Speaker 2: a Miami Red off fat there who would like to

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Speaker 2: talk about their team. We head to Middletown and Leanne,

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Speaker 2: welcome to seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 8: Hi Lance. I am a proud, proud, proud Miami Redhawk

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Speaker 8: from back in the days when they were Heaven Forbid

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Speaker 8: the Redskin, and I am so glad that you are

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Speaker 8: taking up their case. And all the naysayers are pure

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Speaker 8: and simple jealous.

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Speaker 2: It's that simple, and Leanne to me, it's just such

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Speaker 2: a feel good story. In a world war, so much

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Speaker 2: negativity is out there. This is as fun as it gets.

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Speaker 2: It's a fun team to watch.

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Speaker 8: Absolutely absolutely. I talked to you years ago about somebody

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Speaker 8: asking like a two year old, and either you or

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Speaker 8: I brought up Charlie Coles, God rest his soul.

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Speaker 2: Hawks man, oh man, no doubt. Well, Leanne, I'm glad

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Speaker 2: you were listening. I'm glad you took the time to call.

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Speaker 2: Thank you and enjoy this, all right, thank you, all right,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much. All right, there you go, thank

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Speaker 2: you for checking in. So all right, then I accomplished

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Speaker 2: what I was looking for. I gave somebody an opportunity

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Speaker 2: to talk about the Miami red Hawks who's a fan,

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Speaker 2: and she mentioned Charlie. And I've thought this all along, man,

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Speaker 2: Just how is he looks down? How excited and proud

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Speaker 2: he must be, and how much I would love to

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Speaker 2: I've always said I wanted to sit on a front

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Speaker 2: porch and drink an iced tea or a cold one

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Speaker 2: with Charlie and just listen to him tell stories. And

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Speaker 2: to be able to sit on a front porch now

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Speaker 2: with Charlie Coles and get his thoughts on what is

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Speaker 2: happening with Miami basketball would just be the coolest thing.

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm happy for all involved, all right, So that

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Speaker 2: worked out. Okay, when we come back, I've got some

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Speaker 2: highlights from the Reds today. You'll hear Tino talk about

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Speaker 2: Matt McLean and Austin or Austin Hayes and Key Brian Hayes,

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Speaker 2: and uh, you know what we haven't done. I haven't

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Speaker 2: taken your calls one Hunter Green five one, three, seven, four, nine,

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Speaker 2: seven thousand, one, eight hundred, the Big One, that and

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Speaker 2: more as we roll on with RNL Carrier Sports Talk

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Speaker 2: presented by Kelsey Chevrolet seven hundred WLW A twenty two

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Speaker 2: seven hundred WLW RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey

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Speaker 2: Chevrolet on Lance Alyster Joe Waddell producing tonight stick around

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Speaker 2: at nine, Dan Carroll's in we uh have jumped into

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Speaker 2: Red's conversation. They went nineteen to two today, game called

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Speaker 2: after eight innings basically Cuba. It was the Cuban national

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Speaker 2: team they played. They had run out of pitchers, and uh,

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Speaker 2: it seemed Terry was a little bit miffed. They had

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Speaker 2: hit two Reds batters in the in the seventh inning

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Speaker 2: and it just it seemed like it had become a

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Speaker 2: long day and was no longer serving a purpose. And

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Speaker 2: they came uh. It came back from commercial break and

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Speaker 2: Tommy said, well they've decided that's it. They're shaking hands

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Speaker 2: now and this game is over. So after eight innings,

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Speaker 2: Reds win nineteen to two. They pound out nineteen hits.

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Speaker 2: Rhet Louder was the pitching story. Three innings, two hits,

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Speaker 2: no runs, no walks, three strikeouts. He threw just forty

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Speaker 2: three pitches in three innings and through twenty nine strikes,

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Speaker 2: he got ten swings and misses. Today the offense well

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Speaker 2: headlined by a whole bunch of people. Let me start

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Speaker 2: with Sal Stewart. Two hits, both with two strikes, had

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Speaker 2: a double, a three run homer, scored twice, drove in three.

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Speaker 2: He stole third base, and the three run home runs

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Speaker 2: sounded like this.

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Speaker 6: This ball is well hit deep right field. Mosa's back turns,

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Speaker 6: looks it's gone. Stuart drives it out of here. Another

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Speaker 6: two strike, extra base hit for Sal Stuart the other way.

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Speaker 6: This one leaves the yard, a three run blast. It's

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Speaker 6: nine to nothing. Reds.

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Speaker 2: They were just getting revved up. Noelve Marte. He had

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Speaker 2: a three hit day, a double, a three run homer,

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Speaker 2: scored a couple of runs. Here is how the Marte

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Speaker 2: blast sounded back.

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Speaker 9: To the dish fly ball deep left field. You can

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Speaker 9: kiss that baby goodbye. Oh my lord, that's a long fall, Doelvie.

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Speaker 9: Marte has broken this baby wide open. A three run

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Speaker 9: home run for Marte, and he got every bit of it.

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Speaker 9: Looked like a high breaking ball and he just absolutely

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Speaker 9: destroyed it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he did one of three hits on the day

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Speaker 2: and last, but not least in our highlight parade. JJ Bleda,

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Speaker 2: who keeps working on a nice spring. I just I

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Speaker 2: don't know how the numbers are gonna work that he's

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Speaker 2: gonna make the team, but he would certainly be a

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Speaker 2: quality depth of triple A if that's the way. It

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Speaker 2: eventually winds up a two hit day, three run home run,

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Speaker 2: two runs scored. Here's how his long ball sounded.

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Speaker 4: Reds are up sixteen.

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Speaker 6: Now bled Day slings and he launches this high in

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Speaker 6: the air, deep right center field.

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Speaker 2: There it goes, it is gone.

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Speaker 4: A three run home run for Jay J.

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Speaker 6: Bleday, just to the left of the access tunnel and

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Speaker 6: right center field. The Reds have batted around here in

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Speaker 6: the eighth.

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Speaker 2: Inning thirty six runs in their last two games seventeen

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Speaker 2: against the Cubs nineteen versus the Cuban national team today.

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Speaker 2: Dear perk we go, Hey Keith, welcome to sports Talk.

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Speaker 12: Hey Lance, how you doing the same name?

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Speaker 4: I'm well, how about you?

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Speaker 12: Not too bad? The Reds just made a trade. Yes,

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Speaker 12: they traded Tyler Callahan.

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Speaker 4: To the Pirates. Yes, per a.

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Speaker 12: Pitcher by the name of Nicholas. I believe, Yes, Nicholas.

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Speaker 2: Twenty seven year old right handed reliever.

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Speaker 12: What is the impetus of making this.

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Speaker 4: Trade, do you?

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Speaker 2: I would think it'd be a couple of things. One,

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Speaker 2: you can never have too much pitching. Tyler Callahan wasn't

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Speaker 2: gonna make the team, and I don't know how much

868
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Speaker 2: playing time he was going to wind up getting a

869
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 2: triple A as many prospects as they have there, from

870
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 2: Balcazar to Arroyo and others there. So I would imagine

871
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 2: the Reds looked at another arm, a bullpen arm being

872
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,720
Speaker 2: more valuable and helpful to them this season than Tyler

873
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 2: Callahan would be, and they make the deal.

874
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 4: They've had their their bullpen.

875
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 2: I don't want to I don't want to go off

876
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 2: the deep end and say it's been shaky, but Luis

877
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 2: May has been hit or miss Zach Maxwell hasn't been great.

878
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,800
Speaker 2: Graham Ashcraft got knocked around a little bit more today,

879
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 2: So I don't know how much that was a driving force.

880
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 2: But Kyle Nicholas's guy who pitched the majors thirty one

881
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 2: times last year for the Pirates and eighty six times

882
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 2: in his career. So it's a major league commodity. And

883
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 2: they traded somebody who has what a couple of games

884
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 2: of major league experience under his belt to get that

885
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,280
Speaker 2: major league pitching. So I would assume, unless there's something

886
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 2: I'm missing, those would be the biggest reasons.

887
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 12: Okay, Well, you know, I just found it curious that,

888
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 12: you know, it comes out that they're worried about Hunter Green,

889
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 12: and yeah.

890
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 2: But as I said, he's a reliever. He's never started

891
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 2: in the major league, so he's not he's not part

892
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 2: of the equation.

893
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 12: Okay, I don't know. I really thought in the short

894
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 12: time that Callahan was up, he played really well until

895
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 12: he ran into the wall and broke his arms.

896
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 4: I thought he looked really good.

897
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 2: Yea, but here, here, here's back to what I said.

898
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 2: Where was he going to play on the major league team?

899
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 12: Well, I probably wasn't going to on the major league

900
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 12: team at this point. But I hate to see someone

901
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 12: that looks that talented not well in our system. Well,

902
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 12: I never know when injury, no question, you need to.

903
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 4: Come up, no question.

904
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 2: But they're they're pushing a lot of prospects up to

905
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,399
Speaker 2: Triple A this year anyway, and and not to I'm

906
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 2: not going to short change him because the injury was gruesome.

907
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 2: But you say he looked good. He had one hit

908
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 2: in six at bats last year in the major leagues.

909
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 2: That's the sample size that we saw of it.

910
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 12: Yes, I realized, but he made good contact. I mean

911
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:14,919
Speaker 12: there was a lot of the balls that he hit

912
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 12: that become outs. Okay, we're good contact hits, Okay.

913
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 2: Well, I would assume that if it comes down to that,

914
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 2: they were trading that which you just articulated for a proven,

915
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 2: experienced major league arm, which they consider more helpful at

916
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 2: this point, because so much of the messaging this year

917
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 2: is it's time now, not let's worry about the future now.

918
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,959
Speaker 2: And certainly, if that reliever is on this major league roster,

919
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 2: he would help more in the now than Tyler Callahan would.

920
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 12: Well, believe it or not, I actually think we're in

921
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 12: position the Reds are that if Hunter Green is going

922
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 12: to go out, they have the arms to replace him.

923
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,399
Speaker 2: Right now, they do, at least for the time being.

924
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 2: There's no question about that, right Hey, I enjoyed it. Thanks,

925
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 2: thank you, appreciate you check it in. The only problem

926
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 2: because and this would be more or less the doomsday

927
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 2: scenario if there's more to it with Hunter. The only

928
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 2: thing wrong?

929
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 4: How do I want to say this? Not wrong?

930
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 2: The only The only fly in the ointment with needing

931
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 2: to use both Burns and Louder is they're both going

932
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 2: to be working on an innings limit, so they're only

933
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 2: going to be able to pitch so deep into the season.

934
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 2: I don't know if Rhet Ladder gets to one hundred

935
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 2: innings this year before they shut him down. I don't

936
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 2: know if Chase Burns gets to one fifty this year.

937
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 2: Either way, they're both going to be monitored because Chase

938
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 2: will be in his first full major league season and

939
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 2: Rhet Ladder didn't pitch other than nine minor league innings

940
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 2: last year. So it's not like you can plug them

941
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:51,399
Speaker 2: both in if something is extended with Hunter. Because either way,

942
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 2: even if Hunter's fine, neither Burns or Ladder is going

943
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 2: to be able to pitch the entire season. That's the

944
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 2: only the only issue with their starting pitching depth is

945
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 2: Burns on a pitch limit, Louder on a pitch limit,

946
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 2: Brandon Williamson coming back from Tommy John, and Julian Aggie

947
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,399
Speaker 2: are coming back from Tommy John, meaning they're all going

948
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 2: to be monitored and limited to some extent. That's the

949
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 2: only problem associated with the depth they have for starting

950
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 2: pitching options. They're just limited on the back end of

951
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 2: how far they're and deep they're going to be able

952
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 2: to pitch into the season, or how many innings they're

953
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 2: going to be able to go. Still, add more of

954
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 2: your calls plus twenty two days the Red's Opening Day

955
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 2: perspective on that with Arnel Carrier's Sports Talk presented by

956
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 2: Kelsey Chevrolet seven hundred WLW. Hey digging around on Kyle

957
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 2: nicholas numbers of notes final fifteen appearances last year with

958
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 2: the Pirates. He was scored on one time in one appearance.

959
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 2: He gave up four runs in that appearance, but his

960
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 2: earned run average was two over his final fifteen appearances

961
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 2: and fourteen of those fifteen appearances zero runs allowed, so

962
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 2: certainly finished strong last season for the Pirates, Dry Ridge,

963
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 2: we go, Harry, welcome to sports Talk.

964
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 12: Asked, I'm getting kind of tired of this, this head

965
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 12: of Green business.

966
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 6: He's always playing sick.

967
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 4: You know, you know, play well.

968
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 2: He's not sick, he's injured. And I'm not sure who

969
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 2: you're trying to be, but I'm opting to move on.

970
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 2: Will Benson today two hits, two RBIs in a run,

971
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 2: Key Brian Hayes a hit, a run in an RBI.

972
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 2: Nathaniel Lowe continues to hit double walk Ribby Tito in

973
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 2: the pregame, talked about it, and Matt McClain had a

974
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 2: hit today. Tito in the pregame talk with Tommy about

975
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 2: Matt McClain's spring to this point and Key Brian Hayes

976
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 2: to this point. Listen to the Red Skipper.

977
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 6: Are you noticing a difference in his approach already this

978
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 6: spring from what he was doing that gave him fits

979
00:52:58,280 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 6: last year?

980
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, a little bit. And and early on in spring

981
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 7: you saw n poke a couple balls to the right field.

982
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 7: He doesn't even have to hit him good that way,

983
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 7: but like you know, the way defenses are now with

984
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 7: the runner on first, that hole is there for the

985
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:13,760
Speaker 7: taking and when you use that hole one, you're covering

986
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,439
Speaker 7: some pitches maybe you weren't covering before, but you're also

987
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 7: one for one. You feel a little better by yourself

988
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 7: and then all of a sudden, you know it. Just

989
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:21,720
Speaker 7: confidence plays a big part in this game.

990
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 6: I know, Key Brian Hayes has been working on some

991
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 6: things and we haven't talked much about him this spring.

992
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 6: What do you need to see from him for him

993
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 6: to be a productive player. We're just trying not to

994
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 6: turn him into something he isn't. I think at times

995
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 6: in his career has been asked to maybe pull the

996
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 6: ball or do certain things. Just be a good hitter.

997
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 7: I think when you do that, whatever type of hitter

998
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 7: you are, we're gonna get the most out of you.

999
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 7: And he hits the ball to right field so well

1000
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 7: and in our ballpark, you're gonna get rewarded for that.

1001
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 2: Keep Brian a hit run RBI this afternoon. Reds and

1002
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 2: Dodgers go out it tomorrow after noon on Fox Sports

1003
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 2: thirteen sixty twenty two days. The Reds Opening Day, twenty

1004
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,919
Speaker 2: two days. A Miley, the no hitman, wore the number

1005
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 2: twenty two. Luke Mayley, the pride of Cubcats, who I

1006
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 2: believe is in Royals camp right now, wore twenty two.

1007
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:11,399
Speaker 2: Brandon Drury, solid player for the Reds for a couple

1008
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 2: of months in twenty twenty two. They signed him in March,

1009
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:17,240
Speaker 2: traded him at the deadline at the end of July

1010
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 2: that year, Derrick Dietrich, a very interesting individual, wore the

1011
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 2: number twenty two. Eric Milton, who gave up forty home

1012
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 2: runs in the two thousand and five season, and among

1013
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 2: the worst free agent signings in Red's history were the

1014
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:36,439
Speaker 2: number twenty two Brady Clark, reliable fourth outfielder and pinch hitter.

1015
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 2: Extraordinary number twenty two John Nunneley. John Nunneley came over

1016
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:45,280
Speaker 2: with Chris Steins in nineteen ninety seven. The Reds traded

1017
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 2: Scott's service front of the show and Hector carrasco and

1018
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 2: if you remember, both Nunneley and Steins just tore it

1019
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:54,879
Speaker 2: up the rest of the year, and we all thought, oh,

1020
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 2: they're gonna be fixtures on this team for a long

1021
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 2: time to come. None only in fact, over the final

1022
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 2: sixty five games of that season when the Reds got him,

1023
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 2: he hit three to eighteen with an on base percentage

1024
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 2: over four hundred and an ops over a thousand. The

1025
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 2: next year, in almost the same number of games, he

1026
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 2: hit two oh seven. Billy Hatcher World Series Hero War

1027
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 2: number twenty two. Dave Collins, one of the fastest Reds

1028
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:25,240
Speaker 2: in franchise history, stole seventy nine bases in a season,

1029
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 2: and one of the last Reds to wear glasses, wore

1030
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 2: number twenty two. I think of Dave Collins wore glasses.

1031
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 2: Tom Hume alan nicely, but really who? In fact? I

1032
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 2: shouldn't I shouldn't ask things I don't know the answer to,

1033
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 2: like a lawyer. The last Red to wear glat not goggles.

1034
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 2: The last Red to wear glasses would be kit to

1035
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 2: Covid Well, No, I don't know. I don't know the

1036
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 2: last one. Sal but Terra wore number twenty two. He

1037
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 2: didn't wear glasses. Catcher and Dan Dreeson wore number twenty two.

1038
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 2: I think Dan Dreson is one of the more overlooked

1039
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 2: Reds from the standpoint of I think he gets there's

1040
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 2: a built in penalty because he replaced Tony Perez. It

1041
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 2: wasn't his decision to trade Tony. But I don't know

1042
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 2: that we fully appreciate Dan Dreson's first season replacing Tony Perez.

1043
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 2: I mean Dan had been up in what seventy two, three,

1044
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 2: four five, he'd been up, not a regular by any

1045
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 2: stand but in seventy seven when he took over for

1046
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 2: Tony Perez, the man, imagine the pressure. You're coming off

1047
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 2: back to back world championships, and Tony Perez, the heart

1048
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 2: and soul gets traded and Dan, it's yours. He drove

1049
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 2: in ninety one, he stole thirty one, He had thirty

1050
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 2: one doubles, and he hit three hundred in his first

1051
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 2: season replacing Tony Perez and went on to have in total,

1052
00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 2: what like an eighteen year career, all of those EDGs

1053
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 2: wearing the number twenty two. All right, before I run

1054
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 2: out of time and do on this date, I got

1055
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 2: to mention Lou Holtz the sad news today, the coaching legend,

1056
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 2: the Hall of Famer, passed away at the age of

1057
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 2: eighty nine, And Lou Holtz was the first coach that

1058
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 2: I really dealt with, among the first coaches I dealt

1059
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 2: with when I got into the business professionally out of

1060
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 2: Butler University, I went to work at WSBTTV in South

1061
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 2: Bend the CBS station. I was a sports anchor and reporter,

1062
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 2: and I was very blessed in my very first year

1063
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty eight to suddenly be covering a Notre

1064
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 2: Dame football team that would go on to finish undefeated

1065
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 2: and win the national championship. And so on one hand,

1066
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 2: I was dealing with Digger Phelps, who just was a

1067
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 2: pain in the ass. And on the other hand, I

1068
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 2: was dealing with Lou Holtz, who was just a joy

1069
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 2: and sech a different and vibrant and funny, and he

1070
00:57:55,360 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 2: would do magic tricks and he would do and just

1071
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 2: there's little things I will always remember about Lou. And

1072
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 2: he would always insist if you were coming out to

1073
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 2: practice and we're going to shoot video of practice, he

1074
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 2: wanted you to follow two rules. Now, I wasn't shooting

1075
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 2: the video. I was out.

1076
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 4: I was with a photographer.

1077
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 2: I was, you know, get post game or post practice

1078
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 2: interviews with players and Lou and everything else. But he

1079
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 2: always insisted if you were going to shoot video of

1080
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 2: him on the practice field, it had to be under

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00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 2: these conditions. This one condition, don't show video of him

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00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 2: with the pipe in his mouth, because Lou smoked a pipe,

1083
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 2: but he didn't want kids to see him smoking a

1084
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 2: pipe during practice. So you could shoot video, but not

1085
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 2: if he had a pipe in his mouth. The other

1086
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 2: thing I always remember whenever Lou would come to the station.

1087
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 2: I also did radio at WSBT Radio A and TV

1088
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 2: did Notre Dame pregame show, and on occasion. It's not

1089
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 2: like he was there all the time, but if Lou

1090
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 2: ever came to the station for TV or radio, he

1091
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 2: had one request. He wanted a Diet Coke. That's all

1092
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 2: I wanted. Just have a Diet Coke ready for me,

1093
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 2: want to get there. And the other thing I will

1094
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 2: always remember, even after I left South Bend and look

1095
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:24,919
Speaker 2: in South Bend, I butted heads on occasion with Lou

1096
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 2: because I understand South Bend is small, Notre Dame is big,

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00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 2: and Notre Dame is very protective of Notre Dame and

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00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 2: the brand. And when there was controversy, and there was

1099
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 2: at times, you know, Rick Meyer and Dimitris de Bo's

1100
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 2: got busted for drinking before the opener one time and

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00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 2: Lou was on the there was a Sports Illustrated story

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00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 2: accusing Lou of not being very uncaring about his players

1103
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 2: when it came to injuries, So there was controversy that

1104
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 2: would pop up at times. It was just part of

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00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 2: the thing, but the name was very protective of stuff

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00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 2: like that, and we'd try to circle the wagons on

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00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 2: stuff like that. And you know, when you're working at

1108
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 2: a TV station in town, there's questions to be asking

1109
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 2: things to be done, and in all always wasn't fully

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01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 2: accepted by Lou. So we would butt heads on occasion,

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01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 2: but I always thought it was the coolest thing that

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01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 2: after I left South Bend, I was in Chicago on CLTV.

1113
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 2: I went directly into TV in Chicago was hosting a

1114
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 2: nightly show. It was basically sports talk on TV. It's

1115
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 2: called CLTV, and I would have guests in the studio.

1116
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 2: I also take calls. People would call in on the

1117
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 2: TV show and it'd just be me sitting in front of

1118
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 2: the camera answering, kind of like I do here, but

1119
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 2: with a camera in front of me. Well, Lou had

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01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 2: an event in South Or in Chicago. This was probably

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01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 2: a year after I left, maybe been two years after

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01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:40,439
Speaker 2: I left.

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Speaker 11: And.

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01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 2: I asked if he would do a live interview with

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01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 2: me for the show while he was in town, and

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01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 2: he agreed to and I can't tell you what the

1127
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 2: event was he was speaking. It was a dinner and

1128
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 2: he was in a tuxedo, and he made the time

1129
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 2: to go to we were owned by the Tribune compan

1130
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 2: but WGN, we were all owned by the Tribune Company,

1131
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 2: and he committed to going over to the Tribune building

1132
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:11,479
Speaker 2: where there was a camera setup and doing the live

1133
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 2: interview with me. We our studios were out in Oakbrook,

1134
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 2: out on the suburbs, and the studios at the Tribune

1135
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 2: Tower downtown had a camera setup where if someone was

1136
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 2: in town and was available, you could do interviews with

1137
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 2: them back and forth from there. And Lou agreed to

1138
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 2: do that. And this had to be at least a year,

1139
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 2: maybe two years after I had even left South Bend.

1140
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 2: And I'll never forget he spent twenty minutes on the

1141
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 2: show and he was wearing a tuxedo and he was

1142
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 2: just a as he always was. He was just a

1143
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 2: delight and the storytelling and how his face would light

1144
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 2: up with that smile, and I remember him with the

1145
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 2: just kind of the shoes he wore on the sidelines

1146
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 2: and the pants with the Notre Dame pullover or the windbreaker.

1147
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 2: I will always remember that about Lou Holtz, and I

1148
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 2: will always remember this in four years in South Bend,

1149
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 2: and since I don't know that there's ever been anybody

1150
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 2: who had a greater understanding of and appreciation for Notre

1151
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 2: Dame football than Lou Holtz.

1152
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 4: I mean it.

1153
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 2: Truly meant, though it's not cliche to say, it meant

1154
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:24,919
Speaker 2: the world for him to be the coach at Notre Dame.

1155
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 2: I mean, he knew the history like the back of

1156
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 2: his hand, up and down and just and I always

1157
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 2: marveled at the fact he spent eleven years there, eleven

1158
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 2: years coaching at Notre Dame. I always said, it's kind

1159
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 2: of like the dog years calculation, dog years versus human years.

1160
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 2: Eleven years is the coach at Notre Dame football, It's

1161
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 2: like twenty two years coaching someplace else. Because of the

1162
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 2: demands that people just don't understand, the spotlight and the

1163
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 2: scrutiny and the demands, and you always have to be

1164
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 2: on and there's fundraisers and everything that came with that.

1165
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 2: He was just so dang good handling all of that.

1166
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 2: And oh, by the way, won the last national championship

1167
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 2: that Notre Dame won nineteen eighty eight. Thirty eight years ago.

1168
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 2: He went one hundred wins, thirty losses, and two ties.

1169
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 2: Now I will also say this one more to lose story.

1170
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 2: He and now I'm trying to figure out. Remember was

1171
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 2: at Michigan State. They had a game at home one

1172
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 2: year and he decided to run out the clock and

1173
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 2: settle for a tie. And it raised a lot of

1174
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 2: questions and scrutiny, And why did you just sit on

1175
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 2: the football and run up the clock and not try

1176
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 2: to win it? And I may or may not have

1177
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 2: shown up at a gathering with lou and I was

1178
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 2: wearing a tie, a tie, and on the tie was

1179
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 2: a picture of a tie with a circle and a

1180
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 2: red line through it like no ties. He may have

1181
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 2: seen it.

1182
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 4: He may have.

1183
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 2: We may have had a conversation about that. We had

1184
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 2: some conversations I'm looking for. He once wrote me a letter,

1185
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 2: and he would handwrite letters. He once wrote me a

1186
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 2: letter and I'd asked him to use I can't remember

1187
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 2: what the circumstances was about using video of something, and

1188
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 2: he asked me to not use it without even looking

1189
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 2: at it. And I didn't use it that night on

1190
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 2: the news. And then he later wrote me a hand letter,

1191
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 2: and he said, I want I want to thank you

1192
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 2: for not running it. He says, I shouldn't have asked

1193
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 2: you to do that. I should have looked at the

1194
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 2: video first. And I for like me, I don't even

1195
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 2: remember what it was. It wasn't that big a deal.

1196
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 2: But he said, don't don't run it, and I didn't.

1197
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 2: But he wrote me I hadn't written it somewhere in

1198
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 2: the basement, saying I did. I appreciate you doing that.

1199
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 2: All right, we'll head down the stretch. I thought my

1200
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 2: thoughts in prayers to the the Holtz family and Skip

1201
01:04:56,200 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 2: Poltz and everybody. But he was the first guy. And

1202
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:03,440
Speaker 2: I look back on that and think, here, I'm a

1203
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 2: snot nosed kid out of Butler, and what the hell

1204
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 2: am I doing on TV in South Bend? And holy crap,

1205
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 2: I'm covering Notre Dame and they're playing for a national championship.

1206
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 2: And I'm covering Lou Holtz and the Tony Rice and

1207
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 2: Ricky Waters and the fighting Irish and all those guys.

1208
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 2: We'll head down the stretch. Darnell Carrier Sports Talk presented

1209
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 2: by Kelsey Chevrolet seven hundred wlw.

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Speaker 4: Oh Man.

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01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 2: Down the Stretch, We go, We go in a hustle

1212
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 2: and Carol in after the nine o'clock news. What happened

1213
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 2: on this date in sports history? A couple of things. Man,

1214
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 2: this is sad. Never forget this or the visual of it.

1215
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 2: This date, nineteen ninety Hank Gathers dies after collapsing during

1216
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 2: Lola Marymount's West Coast Conference Tournament game against Portland. He

1217
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 2: was twenty three years old. The previous season, he'd become

1218
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 2: just the second player in Division one basketball to lead

1219
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 2: the nation in points and rebounds. I believe Xavier McDaniel

1220
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 2: was the only other, and Hank Gathers was on track

1221
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 2: to be a first round pick in the NBA draft.

1222
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 2: Man that team, Hank Gathers bow Kimball. Paul West had

1223
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 2: the coach, and I can still see him going back

1224
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 2: down the court and staggering and collapsing and never being revived.

1225
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 2: Just a horrific scene on this date in nineteen ninety

1226
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 2: and four years later, nineteen ninety four, I know where

1227
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 2: I was. I was in Sarasota, Florida. Michael Jordan comes

1228
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 2: to bat for the first time in a Chicago White

1229
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:29,040
Speaker 2: Sox uniform, playing in a spring training game. Jordan grounds

1230
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 2: out to the pitcher. Will I think I can safely

1231
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 2: say this, no matter what I do the rest of

1232
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 2: my life, I will never have a week in this

1233
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 2: business like I had in Sarasota week plus covering Michael

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01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 2: Jordan with the Chicago White Sox and spring training. Absolutely

1235
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 2: bonkers week of chasing that story around Michael Jordan's sightings,

1236
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 2: all around that he was in the complex, then he's

1237
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 2: in uniform. It was just absolutely insane. And to think

1238
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 2: he was thirty one years old, fresh off three NBA

1239
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 2: titles and decides to play baseball after retiring and spends

1240
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 2: a season at Double A Birmingham with the Barons, managed

1241
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 2: by Terry Francona, and then goes back to the NBA

1242
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 2: after eighteen months and wins three more titles. Most of

1243
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 2: the days I was in Sarasota, we had a deal.

1244
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 2: We had an affiliate a what's called a Konas truck,

1245
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 2: a satellite truck, and part of me going down there

1246
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:33,640
Speaker 2: was I had to provide coverage for other stations. I

1247
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 2: was doing fifteen live shots a day to fifteen different

1248
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 2: TV stations around the country, me just basically standing in

1249
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 2: front of the stadium or inside the stadium where Jordan

1250
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 2: was with an earpiece on in just one station of

1251
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:49,080
Speaker 2: the next I'm talking with Biloxi, Mississippi, Peoria, Illinois, you

1252
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 2: name it, and they would. The story obviously was you

1253
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 2: know what happened that day with Michael Jordan, and it

1254
01:07:56,000 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 2: was just absolutely insane. Had a blast that week, all right.

1255
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 2: I wish I had more time. I don't have about

1256
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 2: two hours tomorrow night six to eight. I sent some

1257
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 2: more Reds conversation and I thank you for being here tonight.

1258
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:11,919
Speaker 2: I hope you'll be here tomorrow. Stick around the news

1259
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:14,480
Speaker 2: and then Dan Carroll. Thanks to Joe Waddell for producing,

1260
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 2: Thanks to you for taking a listen. This has been

1261
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 2: RNL Carrier Sports Talk, presented by Kelsey Chevalie seven hundred

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Speaker 2: WLW