1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: It's nice. I'm going easy Boston's News Radio. 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 2: All right, thank you very much, Dan Watkins, I'm joining 3 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 2: us tonight is Boston City Councilor Ed Flynn Council Flynn, 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 2: welcome back tonight, said, how are you this evening. 5 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 3: I'm doing well, Dan. It's great to be with you 6 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 3: and great to be with your listeners as well. 7 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,799 Speaker 2: Well. There was a vote I guess it was yesterday 8 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 2: and the Boston City Council where four members of the 9 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 2: council you included, wanted to get some transparency in the city. 10 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 2: And transparency is one of those words that a lot 11 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 2: of politicians talk about, but they don't seem to be 12 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 2: a supportive office. And the members of the council that 13 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 2: mayor Woo really I think controls. I don't know if 14 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 2: you would agree with that or not voted as a 15 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 2: group to prevent this transparency. Explain to us what exactly you, 16 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 2: councilor Murphy. We're leading the charge. We're looking for for 17 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 2: the wool administration to make available to the City Council. 18 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 3: Then the Boston City Council has the ability to request 19 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 3: any type of information they think is necessary to do 20 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:32,279 Speaker 3: their job. It's called a seventeen f request. It's almost 21 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 3: similar to a I won't use the word subpoena or 22 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 3: but it's like a request for documents and it's almost 23 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:48,559 Speaker 3: always granted. But I wanted to get some public information 24 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 3: on how Boston Police and federal officials interact, and for 25 00:01:55,840 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 3: Boston Police to provide in the Mayor's office to provide 26 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 3: details about how many detainers the city received from the 27 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 3: federal government. The reason for them, how Boston Police responded, 28 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 3: and just. 29 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 2: So that our audience understands, is because there's a lot 30 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 2: of language here that the people are uncertain of. So 31 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 2: when when ice believes that someone might be in custody 32 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 2: of the Boston Police Apartment awaiting trial, they sometimes will 33 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 2: reach out to the Boston Police Department and say, you know, 34 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 2: you know, please would like access to that individual and 35 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 2: maybe might like to take that individual into custody. Now, 36 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 2: depending upon what the individual is charged with doing and 37 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 2: what their criminal record might be, is that a is 38 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 2: that an accurate assessment of what a detainer request is 39 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 2: likely to to to come to pass? 40 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 3: Because of that's exactly right, then, immigration detain a request 41 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 3: or detainers, they're used by the federal government when Basically, 42 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 3: the federal government becomes aware that a city or a 43 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 3: town has detained a person for whatever reason, and then 44 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 3: the federal government formally sends some type of notification to 45 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 3: the local police department asking them or requesting them to 46 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 3: hold the detainee for up to I believe it's forty 47 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 3: eight hours, and this would provide the federal government with 48 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 3: the ability or the option to respond and assume custody 49 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 3: basically of the person. 50 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 2: Of course, we're writing the controversy here about ice and immigration, 51 00:03:55,800 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 2: and the issue has become quite politicized. I think we 52 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 2: have to recognize that, and with what's been what went 53 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 2: on out in Minnesota, which was pretty chaotic, the purpose 54 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 2: of the detainer is to make things a little easier 55 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 2: and to go a little more smoothly. Now in January, 56 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 2: our police commissioner is quoted in a Boston Globe article, 57 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 2: which I'm sure you took notice of that the Boston 58 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 2: Police had received fifty seven requests from US Immigration and 59 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 2: Customs enforcement to detain immigrants in last year twenty twenty five, 60 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 2: and had ignored all of those requests. So I assume 61 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 2: this is what prompted your interest in filing this potential order. 62 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 4: Correct, that's correct, that's part of it. 63 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 3: I do like to Although I support immigrants in Boston 64 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 3: as an immigrant city and we're proud of our immigrant roots, 65 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 3: I also want to provide the safest environment city neighborhoods 66 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 3: as I possibly can, and I do have zero tolerance 67 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 3: for any type of criminal activity. But Dan, I do 68 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 3: want to know when the federal government is requesting to 69 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 3: detain someone, basically for the Boston Police, was there any 70 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 3: criminal activity taking place that that detainee has committed. And 71 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 3: the problem is Boston Police won't release that type of information, 72 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 3: and so it can be frustrating to the public as well, 73 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 3: because the public does support does support our immigrant neighbors, 74 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 3: but we also understand how important it is to have 75 00:05:53,800 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 3: a safe city and requesting certain information and it enables 76 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 3: you to do your job the. 77 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 4: Best you can. You can't do your job. 78 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 3: With limited information on not the full story, and I 79 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 3: do want to have all the facts before I make 80 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 3: serious decisions on these issues. But I don't have all 81 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 3: the facts because the Boston Police does not like to 82 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 3: be transparent, I assume, and. 83 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 2: If I'm wrong here, feel free to correct me, because 84 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 2: you know this much better. Than I do. I assume 85 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 2: that the Boston Police, their leadership, is doing what the 86 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 2: Mayor's office is instructing them to do. Is there any 87 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 2: reason for me not to think? I mean, I don't 88 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 2: think the Boston Police is making policy. I think they're 89 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 2: following policy from this from city Hall. 90 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 3: That's exactly correct, and so it might be a little 91 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 3: bit unfair of me to to, you know, put the 92 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 3: blame on the Boston Police there. 93 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 4: They're following orders. I understand that. 94 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 2: So now, so you know, according to what the police said, 95 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 2: there were fifty seven detained requests, none of which were 96 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 2: acknowledged or or there was no cooperation the Feds, as 97 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 2: I understand it, are saying that the figure was much 98 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 2: more than that. Have the Feds put in number on 99 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 2: the number of detainer requests that they submitted to the 100 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 2: police department last year? 101 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,119 Speaker 3: They said it was much higher than that. I don't 102 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 3: know the exact figure. 103 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 2: Would it be possible? And I realized that you and 104 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 2: I think Councilor Fitzgerald and Council of Culpepper, along with 105 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 2: Councilor Murphy, it was the four of you who voted 106 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 2: to have the information you know, passed from the police department. 107 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 2: You know this mayor to tell the police department to 108 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 2: pass that information to you folks, And it was frustrating 109 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 2: that there was you know that you don't have that information. 110 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 2: Would the Feds have you have any of you in 111 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 2: the city Council? And I don't know if you have 112 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 2: standing to do this. Ed have anyone on the City 113 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 2: Council said to the federal government here in Boston, to 114 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 2: the to the ice agencies in Boston give us the 115 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 2: informations that we're being frustrated we can't get it from 116 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 2: the Mayor's office. Is that a route that you've thought 117 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 2: about following? 118 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 4: It's it's a route I considered. I haven't. I haven't 119 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:33,439 Speaker 4: pursued that. I did want to work within. 120 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 5: The the limits of my job as a city council 121 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 5: of working with the Boston Police, and I still think 122 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 5: it's appropriate for me to get that relevant basic public information, 123 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 5: although I haven't received it, but I have not reached 124 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 5: out to the federal government asking for that information. 125 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 2: Okay, let's take a break. One of the things I'd 126 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 2: like to ask my listeners to do is let give 127 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 2: you some guidance as to whether or not they support 128 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 2: what your initiative, is your your initiatives the initiative that 129 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 2: you and Counselor Fitzgerald and Councilor Murphy and councilor Culpeper 130 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 2: voted for, so that you would know exactly who is 131 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 2: being detained, what are the charges? 132 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 4: Uh? 133 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:31,559 Speaker 2: Were you looking for the names of the individual? Is 134 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 2: there any sort of a privacy that did the mayor's 135 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,839 Speaker 2: office or the other city councilors who voted this down, 136 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 2: did they say, well, we don't want the names of 137 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 2: people to be released, or were you looking just for, uh, 138 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 2: the the identifications of the crimes that they either have 139 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 2: been charged with or or previously had been convicted for. 140 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 4: Yeah. 141 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 3: No, that's a good question, Dan. I was only looking 142 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 3: for the charges, the criminal charges. I wasn't looking for 143 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 3: any names. But the the reason it was voted down 144 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 3: is one of my city council colleagues basically highlighted that 145 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 3: he did not want to give the any oxygen. I 146 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 3: think that's the word he used to the Trump administration's 147 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 3: policy that have led to violation of constitutional rights in 148 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 3: cities being terrorized through through through violence from the government. 149 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 3: So and they said it was a false narrative that 150 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 3: cities are unsafe because of immigrants. I I you know 151 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 3: Dan the seventeen If I could just be brief in this, 152 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 3: but for decades, it has always been within the city 153 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 3: council authority as a legislative body to request, as I mentioned, 154 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 3: relevant information. In my experience, over the last eight years, 155 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 3: we've done you know, several thousand and several thousands of 156 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 3: seven seventeen f's. I only know two that have been denied. 157 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 3: This one, and there was one last year about a 158 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 3: request for information from a city councilor that was looking 159 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 3: for information about whether any city grants were given to 160 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 3: city employees for down payment on a mortgage, and that 161 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 3: information was not provided either. 162 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 2: Well, if city money is being given out or being 163 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 2: used for individuals to put down payments on mortgages, you 164 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 2: would think that would was that again turned in both cases, 165 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 2: I assumed that the mayor's office could have voluntarily released 166 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 2: that information to any individual counselor. And then when the 167 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 2: mayor's office chose not to introduce it, that's when you 168 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 2: asked for a formal vote from this Any councils that 169 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 2: the way it works procedurally, Yeah, the. 170 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 3: City council on both of them took a vote and said, no, 171 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 3: we don't want that information release to the public or 172 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 3: to city councilors. 173 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 2: Okay, and okay, we'll take a break. My guest is 174 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 2: City Councilor Ed Flynn. Obviously he is a little frustrated. 175 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 2: He's trying to do the best job that he can 176 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 2: do for the city of Boston and for the safety 177 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 2: of people in the city of Boston. I think it's 178 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 2: an interesting question. I'd love to know what you think. 179 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 2: Would you like to know more about who are the individuals, 180 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 2: not necessarily their names, but they're agers, and perhaps what 181 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 2: sort of a record they have. I mean, I hope 182 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 2: that Immigration and Customs enforcement are not looking at for 183 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 2: people who have been arrested for spitting on the sidewalk 184 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 2: or jaywalking, but I would love to know if they're 185 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 2: more serious people who are in their custody and they 186 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 2: are not being turned over to Ice. We'll take your 187 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 2: phone call six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty 188 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 2: six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. I think 189 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:10,439 Speaker 2: the mayor probably feels very confident in her positions on 190 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 2: these issues. She did very well in the elections last fall, 191 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 2: winning I think virtually almost every precinct save six in Boston, 192 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 2: and we'll we'll talk about that. And I'd like to 193 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:26,559 Speaker 2: hear from me if you, if if you're a Boston 194 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,719 Speaker 2: resident and you'd like to know this information, I think 195 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 2: you probably want to give Council Flynn some kudos for 196 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 2: at least attempting to get the information. Six one, seven, two, five, 197 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 2: four ten thirty or six one seven, nine three one 198 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 2: ten thirty. This is a local issue. It's important. It's 199 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 2: a capital city, not only in Boston, the capital region. 200 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 2: We'll be back on nights Side right after this. 201 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's News radio. 202 00:13:55,600 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 2: My guest is Boston City Council Ed Flynn, Boston. I 203 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 2: know that the language here can be difficult, but Boston 204 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 2: is thought of and Massachusetts is thought of as a 205 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 2: sanctuary in a city in a sanctuary state. Massachusetts is 206 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 2: not formally a sanctuary state as far as I know, 207 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:20,479 Speaker 2: I've never seen anything that has passed that with that language. 208 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 2: But but Boston does have what's called the Trust Act. 209 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 4: Correct, That's correct. 210 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 2: Okay. Now I don't know if in your mind that 211 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 2: makes Boston a sanctuary city or not, but what the 212 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 2: Trust Act is intended to do. What that limits the 213 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 2: amount of cooperation that any city agency can provide federal 214 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 2: immigration officers. Is that an accurate understanding of the Trust Act? 215 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 4: I believe that's accurate. 216 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 3: And under the Trust Act, BPD will will not work 217 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 3: with ceteral official unless it's a serious criminal, criminal crime, 218 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 3: it's a criminal conviction or ongoing crime. 219 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 2: But I don't the problem the problem with that, And 220 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 2: I watch the US Attorney's Office on their mailing list, 221 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 2: and it seems every day they're arresting people not only 222 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 2: in Boston but elsewhere around Massachusetts in their jurisdiction, people 223 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 2: who have re entered the country illegally, you know, three 224 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 2: or four times, and while they've been here, they've committed crimes, 225 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 2: some of them Boston, some of them outside of Boston. 226 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 2: But I look at those and I see a US 227 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 2: attorney who is working very actively to find people who 228 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 2: are here illegally and have also committed criminal activities. And 229 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 2: it sounds to me like despite the great work that 230 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 2: the US Attorney's Office is doing, there's little or no 231 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 2: co operation from Boston. Is that a fear assessment in 232 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 2: your mind? 233 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 4: I think that's accurate. 234 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 3: I think that's fair to say. 235 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 4: I think that I think there's. 236 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 3: A complete lack of communication. Dan is part of the 237 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 3: is part of the problem between the federal government. 238 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 4: And Boston Police. 239 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 3: I think you have to have some communication and then 240 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 3: the Boston Police. We asked federal officials if they if 241 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 3: they send over a de chainer request, to send it 242 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 3: over via facts and not not through email, which is 243 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 3: which is a little strange to me. 244 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 4: You know, I think there has to be a. 245 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 3: System to keep track of the documents that we're receiving 246 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 3: from the federal government as well. 247 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't think anybody used fax machines anymore. 248 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 3: I have heard that there's one designated fact machine that 249 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 3: the federal government uses to send these requests to Boston. 250 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 3: But then, you know, I go back to the communication, 251 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 3: so ICE or federal officials, I said that it sent 252 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 3: Boston Police Department in twenty twenty four one hundred and 253 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 3: ninety eight detainee detainers that year. Will Boston Police said 254 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 3: they only receive fifteen. 255 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 4: So the reason I bring that up. 256 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 2: And that's twenty twenty four and we're talking about the 257 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 2: number of fifty seven was last year in twenty two 258 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 2: to keep those. 259 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 4: Use Yeah, that's right. 260 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 3: In the issue from twenty twenty four was based on 261 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 3: the facts Machine issue, But I bring that up as 262 00:17:55,600 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 3: an example because there's no ongoing commune lodication between the 263 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 3: federal government in Boston place. The other information I asked 264 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 3: in is basic information, and I believe Counselor Weber in 265 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 3: Council of Santana asked for it as well, and it 266 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 3: wasn't provided either. But they also asked for and I 267 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 3: also asked for, are there any memorandum of understanding between 268 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 3: the City of Boston and the federal government as it 269 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 3: relates to. 270 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:30,360 Speaker 4: Public safety issues. 271 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 3: That's a simple request, and that information has not been 272 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 3: provided even to the most progressive city councils that asked 273 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 3: for it. But Dan that information should be public. I 274 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 3: would think the public would want to know that. I 275 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 3: would think it's important to be transparent and accountable in 276 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:59,719 Speaker 3: release information on if there are any memorandum of understanding 277 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 3: or or if you want to use another word such 278 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 3: as a cooperation agreement or any type of partnership between 279 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 3: the federal government in Boston police. 280 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 2: Well, we're a city that had the marathon bombing in 281 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 2: twenty thirteen, and there was great cooperation between not only 282 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 2: Boston police, but Watertown police, Cambridge Police, federal agents, and 283 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 2: we were able to identify the Boston bombers, and one 284 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 2: is on waiting death sentence out of a superman president 285 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 2: in Colorado. I don't understand what has changed. I mean, 286 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 2: I know that in twenty thirteen President Obama was the 287 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,360 Speaker 2: President of the United States. He spoke here in Boston. 288 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 2: Remember there was that big event at the cathedral the 289 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 2: day before the captive I don't need the Boston bombers 290 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 2: I don't use their name were captured, and all of 291 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 2: a sudden, within about a year, we're passing some a 292 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 2: morphous group, some amorphous a statue called the Trust Act, 293 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:12,719 Speaker 2: which I think defies definition. When they were using a 294 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 2: you're telling me that they were using a fax machine. 295 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 2: I remember fax machines in television newsrooms twenty years ago, 296 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 2: and the machine would spit out of facts, a public relate, 297 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 2: a pr statement, and it would just fall on the floor, 298 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 2: and no one was ever assigned to you know, you 299 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 2: look at oh, look at this this is going on. 300 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 2: But I kind of imagine that the communication that that 301 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 2: Boston wanted was a fax machine, was a fax from 302 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 2: the federal government. It should be it should be on 303 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 2: a secure line. There should be a standard secure email 304 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:55,360 Speaker 2: system or some sort maybe even encrypted, to make sure 305 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 2: that the information is, as you said, communicated professionally. 306 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 4: This is counselor right. 307 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 3: No, I agree, Dan, know what my challenge is on 308 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 3: the city council sometimes is I I came from a 309 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 3: career in the US Navy for twenty three twenty three years, 310 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,120 Speaker 3: and I served in a I served in the fifth 311 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 3: Leet in Bahrain and in Guantanamo. So I'm used to 312 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 3: having a professional environment where you're accountable for your actions, 313 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 3: and you could you could not get away with that 314 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 3: type of behavior or or management system where you're sending 315 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 3: a fax and if someone gets the facts and they 316 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 3: don't like the message, we'll throw it in the barrel. 317 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 2: You get it. It's just shread that baby. 318 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and there's no accountability. 319 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:48,679 Speaker 2: Let me do this. I gotta I gotta take a 320 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 2: very quick break. We've got a couple of phone calls 321 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 2: that are coming in. We're going to go right to 322 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 2: phone calls on the other side of the break step 323 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 2: and Larry, you stay right there six thirty. Whatever your 324 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 2: point of view, If you just agree with the councilor 325 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 2: that's you're more than welcome. If you agree, I suspect 326 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 2: you to be more than welcome. My counsel of Flynn, 327 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 2: I think he has courage to stand up in the 328 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 2: face of a lot of people who probably disagree with him. 329 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 2: But I think it's important that that the safety of 330 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 2: everyone in Boston, whether you were here, whether you live 331 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 2: here as a citizen, if you're a mere resident, if 332 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 2: you're a visitor, if you are a legal immigrant. For 333 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 2: that matter, I want the illegal immigrants to be safe 334 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 2: as well. I don't want anyone. And I think that 335 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 2: this is frustrating the FEDS and and and they're being 336 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 2: forced to take some of the means that they that 337 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,919 Speaker 2: they took in Minneapolis. We saw what happened there because 338 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 2: the mayor of Minneapolis and the government of Minnesota was 339 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,719 Speaker 2: not being cooperative with the FEDS. I mean to basically 340 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 2: say to them, oh, yeah, if we have them, we're 341 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 2: going to let him go, and then you go chase 342 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 2: him in neighborhoods. That's crazy. Six one seven, two, five, 343 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 2: four ten thirty six one seven nine three one ten 344 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 2: thirty Getting a little worked up on this. I hope 345 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 2: you are as well. Dial the phone let me know 346 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 2: what you think. Coming back on Nightside. 347 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBS Boston's 348 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: news radio at Flynn. 349 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 2: I'd like to go to some callers here and get 350 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 2: their their questions answered or their comments received. So let's 351 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 2: start off with Steve and Marion, Massachusetts. Steve, you are 352 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 2: on with Boston City Councilor at Flynn. 353 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 6: Go right ahead, Steve, Hi, Dan, I'm great program as 354 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 6: usual and lived in Boston many years. I think that 355 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 6: Councilor Flynn is right on and a great credit to 356 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 6: the City of Boston. And I wonder though, if the 357 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 6: City of Boston Mayor WU is falsely construing these requests 358 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:49,199 Speaker 6: from the Feds to be quote unquote federal enforcement of 359 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 6: federal laws and by local entities, which is of course 360 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 6: a constitutional problem, which it is not at all. I 361 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 6: just wondered if you had any opinions on that. 362 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,199 Speaker 2: I'll just before Ed jumps in, I'll just take a second. 363 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 2: I've never heard her express that. I mean, when when 364 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 2: the bombers came into Boston and left those bombs at 365 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 2: the marathon, they broke federal law, which is why they 366 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 2: were tried in federal court, and they were Boston Police 367 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 2: officers who for that entire week were following every lead 368 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 2: they could. So I kind of imagine that she could 369 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 2: be thinking that way and feel free to respond to 370 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 2: Steve's question, which I think is a good one. 371 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 3: No, I agree with the way you highlighted and respond responded, Dan, 372 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 3: I think what you said is accurate. 373 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 4: I my main goal. 374 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 3: Is for Boston to work as effectively and professionally as 375 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 3: they can with our law enforcement partners. So Boston is 376 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 3: the safest city. 377 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:58,400 Speaker 4: It can be. 378 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 3: And you know, even during these difficult and challenging political times, 379 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 3: I still think you need to have a working relationship 380 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:14,360 Speaker 3: with state and federal law enforcement partners. It's critical. It's 381 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 3: about the safety of the residents of the city of 382 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 3: the Commonwealth, and if we're not doing our job, if 383 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 3: we're failing to develop ongoing, in positive, working relationship with 384 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 3: our law enforcement partners. 385 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 2: I can tell you this, Stephen, and I'm sure you 386 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 2: know of what I speak. The most serious phone call 387 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 2: that our call out of the radio, that an officer 388 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 2: can make is an officer in trouble call. And at 389 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 2: that point, it doesn't matter what agency you happen to 390 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 2: be working for what level of government. There was a 391 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:50,919 Speaker 2: police officer, and I'm not sure if it was a 392 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 2: state police officer, a Boston officer who a week or 393 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 2: so ago pulled a car over and the car took 394 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 2: off and dragged that officer about twenty feet uh and 395 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 2: the driver of that car they were able to put 396 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 2: out his license. He was caught up in New Hampshire. 397 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 2: He was a New Hampshire person. And you know, people 398 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 2: are if if people out there who are willing to 399 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 2: take these risks think that police agencies are going to 400 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 2: function only within their own little jurisdiction and there's going 401 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,679 Speaker 2: to be no cooperation. That's going to incentivize drivers to 402 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 2: do what that guy allegedly did earlier this week. And 403 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,439 Speaker 2: when you get pulled over by a local jurisdiction or 404 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 2: by a state police officer, just take off, take off 405 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 2: and they you know, and you'll be fine. No, these 406 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 2: agencies have to work together, and ed, I assume you 407 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 2: you probably know more about that incident the other day 408 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 2: than I do. But all these agencies have to work 409 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 2: with each other, federal, state and local. 410 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 6: Right then, because I work as a volunteer in the 411 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 6: Coastguard and for anti terror and stuff. And you're absolutely right. 412 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:06,919 Speaker 6: Intercommunication is vital to getting the job done, and everybody 413 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,479 Speaker 6: in the loop is very cognizant of all the legal issues. 414 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 2: Believe me, well ed you were going to say something 415 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 2: right ahead. 416 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 3: No, I think both of you answered and responded perfectly. 417 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 4: I just would highlight. 418 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 3: When I when I was stationed at Guantanamo and I 419 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:30,920 Speaker 3: would be in the intelligence unit once once a week, 420 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 3: I saw, believe it or not, I saw a city, state, federal, 421 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 3: international law enforcement working together to protect the United States, 422 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 3: to protect protect the world. 423 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 4: Really, and I highlight that. 424 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 3: Because I saw, I saw how important it is to 425 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 3: communicate and develop working relationships built on trust and built 426 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 3: on a sense of respect. 427 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 4: And I think that is lacking. 428 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 3: In our country today, where we're almost afraid as a 429 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:14,479 Speaker 3: city to have a conversation with the federal government because 430 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 3: of because of politics. That's that's very unhealthy. And who 431 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 3: who is hurt the most is the public. 432 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 2: Well, the new ICE director is a guy from Boston. 433 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,919 Speaker 2: If I'm not mistaken, todd lyons right he. 434 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,439 Speaker 3: Is, And I know his I know Todd, I know 435 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 3: his family, I know his father very well. And yeah, 436 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 3: and he's one of the founders of the South Boston 437 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 3: Vietnam Veterans Memorial. He's one of my who is my 438 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 3: uncle Dennis's best friend, who were both Vietnam veterans. 439 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 4: But I also know I also know Todd. And although 440 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 4: I may agree. 441 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 3: And disagree with at times with Todd, like like we 442 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 3: all disagree with each other, he is a man, in 443 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 3: my opinion, a matter of principle of integrity, honesty, and 444 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 3: someone someone I respect because I know the work he's done, 445 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 3: especially on veterans' issues and and and he's the son 446 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 3: of Boston as well. 447 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Steve, I appreciate what you do. Thank you for 448 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 2: your volunteer work, and thank you for calling tonight. Very 449 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 2: important to hear your perspective. 450 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 4: Verty much go Thanks Steve, Go coach God. 451 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 2: Thank thanks Steve. Calmore often. Doctor you soon. We'll take 452 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 2: a very quick break. Larry and Dorchester you're next. I 453 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 2: got some open lines, which is ridiculous. We're going to 454 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 2: change topics at ten o'clock. I have a guest coming 455 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 2: in at ten o'clock and we're going to talk about 456 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 2: where the US economy is headed. We just lost Larry 457 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 2: from Dorchester. Say a wide open line six one, seven, two, five, four, 458 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 2: ten thirty six, one seven, nine thirty. We'll be right 459 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 2: back on Night's side. Feel free to join the conversation, 460 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 2: give us a call. We'll get you on here with 461 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 2: Bosses of the council Ed Flynn. I think this is 462 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 2: an important issue. I hope some of you in my audience, 463 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 2: whether you agree or disagree, think this is an important 464 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 2: issue because you saw on Tuesday night when the President 465 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 2: spoke in Washington, that there are American families who have 466 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 2: been really adversely impacted by people who are here illegally. 467 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 2: I don't want anybody to be abused, but if someone 468 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 2: has come here and is a criminal and has has 469 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 2: committed crimes, or has committed crimes while they are here, 470 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 2: they need to be to serve their time and be 471 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 2: shown the door. In my opinion, it's pretty simple. And 472 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 2: if you if you don't agree with that, I'd love 473 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 2: to hear you try to explain it. Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten, 474 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 2: thirty six, one seven, nine thirty. Coming right back on 475 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 2: Nightside and Larry and Dorchester callback will get you in. 476 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm Boston's News Radio. 477 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 2: Is Boston City Councilor Ed Flynn. Let me go to 478 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 2: Melissa in Sudbury. Hay, Melissa will welcome you next on 479 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 2: Night Side with Boston City Councilor Ed Flynn. 480 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 7: Oh hi, I sorry, we were just listening and I 481 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 7: was just curious, like there was some comment about, you know, 482 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 7: immigrants breaking the law, and then you know that immigrants 483 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 7: who are breaking. 484 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 6: The law should be deported or whatever. 485 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we're talking about we're making a distinction between 486 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 2: there are legal immigrants and there are illegal immigrants. So 487 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 2: we're not talking about legal immigrants. We're talking about those 488 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 2: who are here illegally and if they are accused of 489 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 2: a crime, sometimes the federal government wants the City of 490 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 2: Boston or other communities to turn them over and they 491 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 2: file what's called a detainer. So that's what we're talking about. 492 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 2: We're not talking about legal immigrants, people who have come 493 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 2: here and have come here through the proper channels, talking 494 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 2: about those who are here illegally, and there's been you know, 495 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 2: I'm sure, I'm sure you understand and appreciate the distinction. 496 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 2: Did you have a question or a comment you'd like that? 497 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 7: Yeah, So when you're taught, so I guess you're saying 498 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,479 Speaker 7: that just if they're here illegally, then even if they 499 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 7: get a speeding ticket, that's enough. I mean, where's the raw, 500 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 7: where's the lines drawn? I guess for crime? 501 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 2: Well, I don't think this is my opinion, and we'll 502 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 2: give you a chance to give your his opinion as well. 503 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 2: If you are here illegally and you've run a foul 504 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 2: of the law, uh, and therefore the law is aware 505 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 2: of you being here. If you are here illegally, you 506 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 2: need to go back to your country and try to 507 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 2: come through the process legally. If you want to come 508 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 2: here and assert asylum claims, you can do that. If 509 00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,959 Speaker 2: you want to come here uh, and go through and 510 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 2: get a visa and try to come here and become 511 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 2: a There's a lot of ways to come here legally. 512 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 2: If you do not make that distinction between someone coming 513 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 2: here legally and illegally, why would anyone go through the 514 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 2: aggravation and the expense of coming here legally. Anyone would 515 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 2: be a fool to that to do that, which I 516 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 2: think many people who are legal immigrants and have come 517 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 2: here feel that way because they went through the proper channels. 518 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 2: It's like going to the airport Melissa. To put it 519 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 2: in the simplest terms, you go to the airport, you 520 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,959 Speaker 2: have to have a ticket to get through security, and 521 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 2: you have to have a ticket to get on the airplane. 522 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 2: We understand that. Why is it so difficult for people 523 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 2: to not understand that distinction between legal and illegal when 524 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 2: people are coming into this country? 525 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 7: Okay, I think that's sort of a fair take on it. 526 00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 7: I just I guess like some of the stories of 527 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 7: like a child who's here, where does that line happen 528 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 7: if a child is here sort of illegally, Well. 529 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 2: It depends upon if the child arrives here, rather if 530 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 2: the parents arrive here and they're here illegally and they 531 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 2: have a child that's born on American soil. Currently, that 532 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 2: child becomes an American citizen under the constitution that is 533 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 2: being challenged by the Trump administration and whether or not 534 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 2: the court is going to take out that so called 535 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,439 Speaker 2: birthright citizenship. But if you just happen to be here. 536 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 2: Let's assume that you live in England and you come 537 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,720 Speaker 2: to New York City on a vacation and someone gives 538 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 2: birth to a child. You know early that child by 539 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,439 Speaker 2: virtue of the fact that he or she is born 540 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,760 Speaker 2: in the United States currently is automatically a United States citizen. 541 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 2: There are companies in China who are running what they 542 00:34:55,600 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 2: call tourism business and they basically bring people to the 543 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,799 Speaker 2: country who are seven and eight and nearly nine months 544 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,799 Speaker 2: pregnant and they pay a great deal of money to 545 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,799 Speaker 2: be housed in a hotel for some time and then 546 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,400 Speaker 2: go to an American hospital and give birth. So there's 547 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,319 Speaker 2: there there's a real cottage industry out of China that 548 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 2: is doing that right now, which is kind of calling 549 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 2: in to question the whole concept of birthright citizenship. It's 550 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 2: it can be complicated, but if you break it down, 551 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,320 Speaker 2: the real question is, I think, do you believe in borders. 552 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 2: Does the country have a right to have a border 553 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 2: and prevent people from coming into the country who are 554 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 2: who are who are not coming in legally? And if 555 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 2: you think the country does not have a right to 556 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 2: have borders, then I think you can be you can 557 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 2: be an advocate of illegal people, of people coming here illegally, 558 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 2: and that's a consistent argument, But you can't have borders. 559 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 2: And maybe you shouldn't have plane tickets either. Maybe it's 560 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 2: just they the plane should fly and whoever gets to 561 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,240 Speaker 2: the airport first, gets on the plane, it would be 562 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 2: it would be chaos, Melissa in my. 563 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 7: Opinion, Yeah, yeah, I mean, I guess the biggest issue 564 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 7: is how you know the administration has gone about going 565 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 7: into communities. 566 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 2: Well, I mean we and again I really basically we 567 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 2: had open borders for four years and about ten to 568 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 2: fifteen million people across the borders, which if I was 569 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 2: living somewhere in the world, I'd want to get here too. 570 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:39,720 Speaker 2: To be honest with you, I think it's the greatest 571 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,799 Speaker 2: country in the world. Ed Flynn. I assume you would 572 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,799 Speaker 2: try to come here if you had been born in 573 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 2: Ireland or anywhere else in the world. I can understand 574 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:48,920 Speaker 2: that instinct, but it doesn't make it legal. 575 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I do think you have to have rules and 576 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 3: laws in place to protect the country. I do think 577 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 3: you have to protect and have law law enforcement that 578 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,319 Speaker 3: that protect the border. Also, I think I think even 579 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 3: democratic presidents supported that even one time. 580 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 4: At one time. 581 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 2: Bill Clinton did, Barack Obama Jad. 582 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 4: But something changed, Yes, yes, something did change. 583 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,919 Speaker 3: But you are right Bill Clinton did, and and and 584 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 3: and Obama did as well. And I think I think 585 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 3: as president, you know. 586 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,720 Speaker 4: The buck stops there. You do have to have. 587 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 3: A safe country, and that's part of the job of 588 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:39,239 Speaker 3: being an executive is the safety and the security of 589 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,440 Speaker 3: the people in your city or state or country. And 590 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 3: public safety is not something you can pass pass the 591 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,880 Speaker 3: buck on as an executive. But you do have to 592 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,960 Speaker 3: have laws in place, and if you do have laws 593 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 3: in place, you have to you have to enforce them 594 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 3: or respect the laws. 595 00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 4: And if you don't have them. 596 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,160 Speaker 3: If you have laws and you don't respect them, what 597 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 3: good is the law then if you're not if you're 598 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 3: going to pick and choose which law to respect. 599 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, said Melissa. I hope we can have more conversations. 600 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,239 Speaker 2: I'm running out of time here, but I appreciate you 601 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,280 Speaker 2: taking the time to call, and you're welcome to call anytime. 602 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:19,759 Speaker 4: Do you thank you for it. 603 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,799 Speaker 7: Call Melissa all right, thanks, thanks great, have a great 604 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:25,319 Speaker 7: night to the callers in the line. 605 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,799 Speaker 2: Wish you called earlier. Sorry about that, but we've run 606 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 2: out of time. Ed Flynn, thank you for what you 607 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 2: do and I know it has to be frustrating, but 608 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:34,920 Speaker 2: I hope you keep on keeping on. 609 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:36,799 Speaker 4: Dan. Thank you. 610 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 3: I enjoyed talking with you. I enjoyed talking to your 611 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 3: listeners and if anyone needs to reach me, just send 612 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:44,920 Speaker 3: me an email at City Hall and I'll get back 613 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 3: to you. 614 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 2: I know you will because many people tell me you're 615 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 2: one of the most responsive political leaders in the city 616 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,719 Speaker 2: right now, Thanks Ed Flynn. When we get back, we're 617 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 2: going to take a look at the economy, the US 618 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,400 Speaker 2: economy in twenty twenty six. It's only February. Where's the 619 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,880 Speaker 2: con of the economy headed. If you have an opinion 620 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:03,759 Speaker 2: on it, you're going to want to join the conversation. 621 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,319 Speaker 2: I'll be back with a very special guest right after 622 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:07,279 Speaker 2: the ten o'clock News