1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,360 Speaker 1: So five six six nine zero or kwae commisparated. I'll 2 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: text Lin if you want to interact with anything we've 3 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: talked about. First hour was, oh, we got to a 4 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,040 Speaker 1: lot of stuff. We talked about the Chicago Bears moving 5 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: to Indiana, talked about Drewski fumbling his moment in the spotlight. 6 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 2: For Jackson Smith and Jig be. 7 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 3: Yea. 8 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: That got into, obviously, the perspective of Shelby players in 9 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: the locker room. When teams constantly shift things in the 10 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: off season, how do you even plan to win those 11 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: kinds of things. We talked about over unders as well. 12 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: So if you're a missing parts of the show, go 13 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: check it out on demand at Kaycolorado dot com or 14 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 1: on the completely free It's totally awesome. I heart Ready app, 15 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 1: which is free. I mentioned that, but I'll mention it again. 16 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: It's free. So Declan Doyle we know here locally and 17 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 1: was the offensive coordinator. 18 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 2: With it was No, it wasn't the lines. 19 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: That was Johnny Moore and that was out with the Bears. Actually, 20 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:52,160 Speaker 1: Deklan Doyle's with the Bears, so he transferred to Baltimore 21 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: this year. He's now going to be the offensive coordinator. 22 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: But play caller sequencer there for the Baltimore Ravens. Here's 23 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: what he had to say about the importance of OTAs. 24 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 2: And I think you'll appreciate this, Shelby. We would expecting 25 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 2: to be here and certainly. 26 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 4: Law and so, but it's also you know, if you 27 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 4: want to say that you're going to win a championship, 28 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 4: you want to say that you have championship standards and 29 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 4: those are your goals and your expectations. Certainly that's going 30 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 4: to take work. That's going to take collaboration. UH, that's 31 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 4: going to take the beginning of building the relationship with 32 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 4: their coaches other players, you know, starting off this uh, 33 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 4: this next regime on the right foot. And so that 34 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 4: would be those guys getting in here, us being able 35 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 4: to work with them hands on, uh and be able 36 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 4: to kind of get this thing going in the direction 37 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 4: that we want to and you know, making improvements so 38 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 4: that we set ourselves up where when we come back 39 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 4: in for training camp, we hit the ground run and 40 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 4: we already have kind of shared knowledge, shared language, and 41 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 4: we're able to to go right to work. 42 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 2: So what I I'll tell you what I I appreciate 43 00:01:57,520 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 2: it on it. 44 00:01:57,800 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: I don't like about it, and I know you have 45 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: some thoughts, but so very quickly, Okay, what he's saying 46 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: like sounds like something everybody should want. Everybody should want 47 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: to find camaraderie and build a culture and get off 48 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: on the right foot. And you think in terms of like, hey, 49 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 1: why when you want to spend more time together when 50 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: the receivers, you know, catching passes from the quarterback. 51 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 2: And this feels like a shot at Lamar Jackson to 52 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 2: be honest, because. 53 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 3: He doesn't this is not necessarily the best thing to do. 54 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:25,519 Speaker 2: I don't think he'll get to it. You know, I 55 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 2: wouldn't think so much. 56 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 1: But it's a little bit of a flawed logic too, right, 57 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,679 Speaker 1: because there's this assessment being done here that if you 58 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: don't show for ots, you're necessarious about winning, which I 59 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: think is garbage. 60 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 3: One million percent trash, because it's the same tired idea 61 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 3: that teams do where they start to act like if 62 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 3: you're not an OTAs that means you're not working these 63 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 3: A lot of these guys and myself included, we have 64 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 3: trainers here, we have a way that we do things here. 65 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 3: But also I have a family that this they deserve 66 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 3: my time. I like we give enough time. And I 67 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 3: and I believe, and I will tell you this. I 68 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 3: always the idea that OTA is a voluntary it's only 69 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 3: for a few. It's not for for everybody, you know, 70 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 3: and we all we all know that. And I believe 71 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 3: if you're on your first deal, you you pretty much 72 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 3: have to go regardless, and then as long as you 73 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 3: come into the season and are making plays after that, 74 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 3: it's fine. But it's just the ideas that in order 75 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 3: to be successful you have to be at O TAS's. 76 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 3: It just doesn't make any sense to me, because, honestly, 77 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 3: phase one of OTA's a lot of players actually get 78 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 3: out of shape. They get in worse shape than they 79 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 3: were when they were at home training and so and 80 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 3: and I've heard this multiple times from coaches and and 81 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 3: even for myself. When I got back last year and 82 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 3: I didn't go to OTAs, you know, everyone's like, oh, 83 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 3: you have been working out, Like what are you expect 84 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 3: me to do? 85 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 2: You're a professional. 86 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 3: I'm a professional. I'm going to go work out. I'm 87 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 3: going to make sure i'm I'm at my weight, I'm 88 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 3: going to make sure that my body' fat is down, 89 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 3: I'm going to make sure i'm quick and I'm explosive 90 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 3: because that's how I do my job, and so it's 91 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 3: just the idea. And I think a lot of teams 92 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 3: still act like this, is that if you're not at OTA's, 93 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 3: you're not working hard, and that you're not really preparing 94 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 3: as hard as you should be for the season, so 95 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 3: you need to come back to your team's town. And 96 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 3: I think that's so wrong on sobing levels. But also 97 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 3: I just think this message is wrong, especially since it 98 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 3: seems like it's pointed at somebody and without saying the name. 99 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 1: Well, and then the messaging becomes when he says something 100 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: like that. Then it's the fans who are like, yeah, 101 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 1: my team isn't serious about. 102 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 2: Winning unless all of these guys, unless we have. 103 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: Like one hundred percent of the team showing up to 104 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: voluntary OTAs. And I do say air quotes a little 105 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: bit becau. Sometimes it is voluntared. Sometimes it is, especially 106 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: if you're a young player on your rookie contract. There's 107 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: a little bit of that, and some guys do use 108 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 1: the opportunity to. 109 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 2: Be at the facility. 110 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: We talked about it a couple days ago about how 111 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: if you get injured off outside the facility, then they 112 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: can come after your guarantees, they can come after your contract. 113 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: So some of the players I know, we'll show up 114 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: to the facility with the opportunity to work out and 115 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: get ready for the season there because they know they're 116 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 1: covered right now. There's some value to it, there's some 117 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,359 Speaker 1: absolute value to it. But the messaging shouldn't be you 118 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 1: either care about it, or you care about winning, or 119 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 1: you don't care about you winning. And that's all based 120 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: on showing up to something that's voluntary. 121 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 3: And that's the part that is kind of sticking with me, 122 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 3: is because you're pretty much saying that you can't win 123 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 3: if you don't show up OTAs now I will. On 124 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 3: the other hand, on the side, I do believe that 125 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 3: we've started to see less quarterback development because of the 126 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 3: lack of OTAs now interesting and the lack of you know, 127 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 3: we've taken away some of Daft's program. And I do 128 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 3: believe that you are seeing the younger quarterbacks not really developed, 129 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 3: because I believe that quarterbacks really can develop if they're 130 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 3: actually you know, going through practice, going through you know, 131 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 3: their throws, and really like you don't even need the defense. 132 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 3: You just have to build that chemistry with the other 133 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 3: side of the ball. But there's other ways around it. Now, 134 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,359 Speaker 3: you know, quarterbacks throwing throwing sessions all over the place NonStop, 135 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 3: and so that kind of takes, you know, that part 136 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 3: out of it. But this is the idea, and I 137 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 3: can't get this oude of my head, the idea that 138 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 3: we won't anyone won't be successful unless they go to OTA's. 139 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 3: That's such a stop in the face to anyone that 140 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 3: doesn't go to OTAs. And it's like, it's we don't 141 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 3: necessarily have to explain to you why we're not going. 142 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 3: It's voluntary, and it seems like a coach that doesn't 143 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 3: understand not the meaning of voluntary is it's saying things 144 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 3: to try to force players to go, and that's not 145 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 3: Players want to go regardless if you want them to go. 146 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 3: Now like if you want them there, it doesn't matter 147 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 3: to them. It's about what they have going on in 148 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 3: the offseason. More likely, most teams will have about sixty 149 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 3: percent participation. This is not a bad number. Your top 150 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 3: guys never show up at OTA's, You're never so I 151 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 3: it's just it's the wrong message. I believe I understand 152 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 3: what he's trying to say about I think he's doing 153 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 3: it the wrong way. 154 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 2: I wonder, I mean, we talk about this a bit 155 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 2: more on the other side. 156 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: I wonder, you know, new head coach Jesse mentor there 157 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: with the Baltimore Ravens. 158 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 2: I wonder if this is a message from him or is. 159 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: This just Declan Doyle saying this right, If this is 160 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: a unified front on a new coaching staff, this is 161 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: what this is our expectation. And listen, you want to 162 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: put out that expectation as a coaching staff. I mean 163 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: that's fine. Yeah, certainly that is in your prerogative. But 164 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: don't be surprised if there's gonna be some pushback, especially 165 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: from the Vets. 166 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 3: To your point, I appreciate the text line. Do not 167 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 3: get me wrong, but if you're going to come and 168 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 3: say some borderline racist stuff, just believe you're going to 169 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 3: hear from me and I'm going to go back and 170 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 3: forth with you. I have no problem with that. 171 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 2: If you do believe. Just very quickly on the side note, if. 172 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: You believe that the league is more owners than the 173 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: players that play the game, I really don't even know 174 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: where to start with a conversation with you. So somebody 175 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: texting that in here moments ago, he fam. 176 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 2: And then saying that the. 177 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: League is the owners. No, no, the league is the players. 178 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: The league is absolutely the players. Now the owners take 179 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: advantage in a lot of ways. That's right, and listen, 180 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,439 Speaker 1: there are some that are very good businessmen and women 181 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: that own these teams, and they do a good job 182 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: to make a profit. But don't get it twisted. The 183 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: league does not exist without the players. 184 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 3: And good owners know that if the quality of play 185 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 3: dropped off, these evaluations would start dropping. He is what 186 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 3: I'm saying. So the reason that these valuations are going 187 00:08:56,200 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 3: up is because the players are starting to really build 188 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 3: this brand. 189 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 2: Yeah I would. It's all your face. 190 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: So lets you read some of the next one coming 191 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: in a couple of texts here on the KWA Commas. 192 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 2: Real text line. 193 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: OTAs are more important when you have a new coach, 194 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: so that you can speak the same language, which is 195 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: what he mentioned. It's not about the work. People can 196 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: work somewhere else if they're professional. Listen, I sort of see, 197 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: I sort of see where you're coming from on that, 198 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: and that is something that that tends to be sold 199 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: when it's a new coaching staff. 200 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 2: That's why they usually get a week I. 201 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:33,839 Speaker 1: Think it's at least a week earlier, maybe even two 202 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: weeks earlier than establish coaches. Right, the league allows OTAs 203 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: to start a bit earlier for new coaching staffs just 204 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: for that reason you're installing some new things. But again 205 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: phase one is weightlifting in and conditioning like universally, there's 206 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: no me In fact, are not allowed to do on 207 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: field work at all, that's right, and that's not until May, 208 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: and so you know even if you are starting early. 209 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 1: So this is what I'm talking about, though, is because 210 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: it's sold to the fans like Deckland Doyle is saying 211 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: what I think a lot of coaches want to be 212 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: able to say, which is, well, we care about winning, 213 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: and if the players care about winning too, they're going 214 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: to be here for all the phases, including mandatory mini camp. 215 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: And you sell that to fan bases into fans, and 216 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: so then it becomes like, well, we're working hard, what 217 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 1: are they doing? 218 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 3: I call bs because I heard personally from coaches when 219 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 3: they were talking about moving the OTAs and changing the 220 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 3: OTA schedule and making it that we just start like 221 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 3: fourth of July and have a soft launch into the season. 222 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:45,679 Speaker 3: The number one people that hated I was the coaches. 223 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 3: But what about team camaraderie. You brought that up about 224 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 3: team come rodery, So don't you can't sit there one 225 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 3: instance and say it's about the team. But then this 226 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 3: next instance when we were going to move OTA's and 227 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:00,719 Speaker 3: start to forth, Oh, but you want to lose time 228 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 3: with your family. Oh so now it matters about you 229 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 3: losing time with your family. 230 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: I think what continues to be driven home from me, 231 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: and I think sometimes fans miss this is is fans 232 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: don't see players as people most of the time, like 233 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: people that deal with everyday things. 234 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:19,839 Speaker 2: Like you mentioned that first segment. 235 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: We were talking about this about time with your family 236 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: from August, in fact, actually more late July, last two 237 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: weeks of July all the way to January. 238 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 2: Your your schedule is what it is like. 239 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: If you see your family, maybe you get them on Tuesdays, 240 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 1: but for the most part, the schedule is theirs. Like, 241 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: it's not your schedule anymore, it's the team schedule. You 242 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: know that your family knows that. Everybody knows that. So 243 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 1: imagine for anybody out there, whatever job you do half 244 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: the year, if not maybe even a little bit more 245 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:55,719 Speaker 1: than that, your schedule is not yours. Your schedule and 246 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: including the time you could see your family is not yours, 247 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: And I'm not sure to paint a sympathetic picture. Unnecessarily, 248 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: you guys are compensated for what you do. You do, 249 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: you play this game, you do, you do this job. 250 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: But I'm saying like that doesn't mitigate the other stuff, 251 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: you know, like we can't take away the other part 252 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: and say that it doesn't matter that when you get 253 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: to the off season, in that time that you get 254 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: to spend with your family doesn't matter because everybody else 255 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: out there that matters to them. 256 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 3: Well, if that was you know, like you were talking 257 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 3: about OTAs, if that was as important as you know 258 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 3: they said, then once again it's they would not have 259 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 3: an O tea and they would just have it right 260 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 3: before camp. If it's all about, you know, the camaraderie 261 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:39,079 Speaker 3: and stuff, then what's the point of camp at that point, 262 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 3: because that's what we get told, that's what campus about, 263 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 3: campus about camaraderie. Getting in shape. Okay, so if we 264 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 3: just gotten shape for as, we got to get a 265 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 3: shape again and we need more camaraderie, it's just you know, 266 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 3: this is just all just talking points from the league 267 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:56,319 Speaker 3: to try. You know they're going to end up using 268 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 3: the negotiation. 269 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 2: All right, we'll come back. 270 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: I want to get into a little bit this with 271 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 1: the NBA and tanking, because there's some interesting details coming 272 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: out from Shamsharania about the NBA's anti tanking that they're 273 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: going to be looking into. Plus the nuggets stay you 274 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: get back at actions tonight. We'll get a little bit 275 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: of that. Come off the top of the hour, five o'clock. 276 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 1: Kyle van Noy taking shots to Shelby Heirs. We'll get 277 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: to all that coming up next. I keep selling it 278 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: as Kyle van Ney talking trash. There's a little bit 279 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: of that, but most of it actually is propping up 280 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: the value of your position. 281 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 3: So I hope so because we've helped them out so much. 282 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 2: Oh there we go. 283 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 3: And literally we you know, talking to my house about it. 284 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 3: He's you know, his biggest thing he said, is I 285 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 3: know he doesn't get that sack record without the guys inside, 286 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 3: because if you can't step up, you got to step 287 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 3: out right, And that's exactly what happened a lot of times. 288 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 1: We'll get into it, and once again, the shortest distance 289 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: between you know, two points is where you guys are 290 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 1: usually attacking the quarterback versus the guys on the edge 291 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: coming for much further away. 292 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 2: We'll get to that coming up here in just a 293 00:13:58,920 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 2: little bit. 294 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: So this is and maybe this is something we'll have 295 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 1: to let percolate a bit into tomorrow because this just 296 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: came out moments ago. But Chefsherania, who is like the 297 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,839 Speaker 1: league insider now that woes is out of it, he 298 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: tweeted this out right before we're coming on the air, 299 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: that the league had sent a memo to the thirty 300 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: general managers that the NBA plans to make an anti 301 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: tanking rule and these changes could go into effect as 302 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: soon as next season. Now, bullet point here, I'll kind 303 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: of briefly go through this, but I want to have 304 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: a sort of broader discussion about how big of a 305 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: deal we actually think tanking is and how bad it is, 306 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: because Adam Silver said during All Star weekend that it's 307 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: the worst it's ever been, Like, in his view, tanking 308 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: in the NBA. 309 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 2: Is the worst he's ever seen it. 310 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if he saw Matt Eshbia tweeting out 311 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: earlier today, but he went on like a scathing long tweet. 312 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: It's one of those like I'm not gonna rea all this, 313 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: but I'm sorry it happened to you, or you know, 314 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: like I want to send that response to him, but 315 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: he said, tanking is losing behavior done by losers. Purposefully 316 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: losing is something nobody should want to be associated with, 317 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: embarrassing for the league and for organizations, and to talk 318 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: about this as a strategy is ridiculous. And he was 319 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: responding to a Yahoo Sports article that was talking about 320 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: how some teams sort of strategize tanking. But the bullet 321 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: points of this is more like, hey, if you're going 322 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: to tank, or if it appears as though you're gonna 323 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: tank for several seasons in a row, like remember the 324 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: seventy six ers did that for several seasons because they 325 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: wanted to add talented players to the roster. Makes some sense, right, 326 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: and so they did that sort of the trust the process, 327 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: and they did it for several years and not a 328 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: good team right now, but there's a moment in time 329 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: when all that talent eventually paid off. But the point 330 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: of this is it's there's a lot of things that 331 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: they're trying to implement on some of these teams, including hey, 332 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: if you're losing for too many years in a row. 333 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: You're not going to get a lottery pick, or you're 334 00:15:58,120 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: not gonna have a high lottery pick. You're not gonna 335 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: have an opportunit to pick high players. Generally speaking, what 336 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: are your thoughts on tanking. 337 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 3: I definitely think it's something that makes the game a 338 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 3: little unwatchable. There's little things you can do to tank 339 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 3: in the NFL and NBA. It's it's little simple things 340 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 3: you can do. You know a player's hot, you sit 341 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 3: them down, you know what I mean. It's just little 342 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 3: things that can compound into a bigger issue, and that's 343 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 3: what tanking is. Also, that's just not the product that 344 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 3: people want to watch. There's not enough competitive basketball for 345 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 3: all these teams to be tanking. But also I don't 346 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 3: necessarily understand the tanking because you're not guaranteed the first 347 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 3: overall pick. It's not like the NFL where you worst 348 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 3: record gets the first pick, so you could tank and 349 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 3: then still get the fifth overall pick. In the NBA today, 350 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 3: that's a g leaguer, So what is it? So what 351 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily make sense to me why all these teams 352 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 3: are tanking And it's not like years before where you 353 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 3: can get a Giannis in the mid teens, you know 354 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,120 Speaker 3: what I mean, Like this draft, we've heard about the 355 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 3: top two players and now we heard about the kids 356 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 3: in Markansas. Yeah, you know what I mean. So the 357 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 3: tanking strategy makes no sense because when you tank, you're tanking, right, 358 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 3: So how do you think you're going to lure talent 359 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 3: to come the next year? What are they going to 360 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 3: have the build off of because in the NBA, everybody's 361 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 3: throwing out next deals. Well they used to. Now with 362 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 3: the you know, the levels and all that stuff, they 363 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 3: kind of change what they're doing. But it's just to me, 364 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 3: it just makes no sense why anyone would tank nowadays 365 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 3: with the lack of talent coming in the NBA year 366 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 3: after year. 367 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:57,439 Speaker 1: There's some like obvious examples where teams were projected to 368 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 1: be bad and then they just were bad, right Like 369 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 1: Washington wasn't expected to be a great team, and Sacramento 370 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 1: is another team where like, I don't know, I don't 371 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: know how good they're gonna be, And those are the. 372 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 2: Two last place teams. 373 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: They the roles, well, yeah, because they have Russ Westbrook, 374 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: they have some players there, but then they still like 375 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: you're like, I don't know maybe it doesn't come together, 376 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: but that that's the one thing I was gonna add 377 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 1: is like Dallas, for example, who is Cooper Flagg? 378 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 3: Right? 379 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: And well you had ad for a little bit you 380 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: traded him, but there was but you're gonna be without 381 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving. It was one of those We're going into 382 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 1: the season with hope that we can put together a 383 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: roster and compete, and then you find out halfway through, 384 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: we're not even halfway through a quarter. The way through, well, 385 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 1: injuries have caught up to us. Kyrie Irving is definitely 386 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: not coming back this year. Anthony Davis has hurt already, 387 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: and then we're gonna end up trading him and trying 388 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: to recoup some assets from a really bad Luka Doncis trade. 389 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: Are they tanking or are they just recognizing what's happening 390 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 1: this season and they're they're saying, hey, you know what, 391 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: let's push your chips into next year. 392 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 2: See that just feels strategic to me. 393 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 3: It's it's not strategic when it doesn't work. And the 394 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 3: Pelicans have been bad for how long? The Wizards have 395 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 3: been bad for how long? Sure you know what I means? Teams? 396 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 3: The Jazz have been bad for how long? Great point, 397 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 3: the Kings have been bad, Like these teams have been bad, 398 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 3: and they've been tanking year after year and they have 399 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 3: not gotten better. 400 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: So we're talking about what like four or five franchises maybe, 401 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 1: I mean, you seem like I'm not saying that's like nothing. 402 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 3: But because they're hoping they can turn into the magic 403 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 3: and found a pallow that trail. Like you know, you're 404 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 3: trying to hopefully find your guy, but you have to year. 405 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 3: The talent in the NBA draft is getting less less 406 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 3: and less, and if you're going to tank, you want 407 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 3: to do it for something worthwhile. 408 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: Well, and this was weird, like teams can't pick in 409 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: the top four the year after making the conference finals. 410 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 1: It's like Indiana, for example, Right all of a sudden, 411 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: Halliburton gets her hurts. You're no, you're not gonna be 412 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 1: a good team the next year. Like you're gonna try, 413 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: but Haliburton's not out there, so you're gonna be a 414 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: bad team. 415 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 3: You know who that's for. That's for Oklahoma City. That's 416 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 3: one for Oklahoma City because they own all of these 417 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 3: bad team's picks. 418 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 2: Oh you know, I didn't even think about that. 419 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 3: And that's the first time. If they did that for 420 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 3: Oklahoma City because they're like, the rich can't keep getting richer, 421 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 3: it's going to ruin the NBA. 422 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 2: So that you know, and I didn't even think that's 423 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 2: a great point. I didn't even consider. 424 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 1: Well again, it just came out, so I haven't a 425 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: she has to really saus it out. But that's a 426 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 1: great point you bring up because a lot of these 427 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: teams are trading picks. Now that's another thing, like if 428 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: we don't go down the rabbit hole, but trading picks 429 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: into the future of seven years is insanity, especially because 430 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 1: some of these teams are bad and they're gonna continue 431 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: to be bad, and and and then unless they have 432 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: protected picks. You're right, Oklahoma City, congratulations, you're gonna own 433 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: another top protected pick because indianimate a terrible trade forever ago. 434 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, and the nimated a bad trade. But then you 435 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 3: got to think of it like the Jazz and I 436 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,439 Speaker 3: belief have picks, like that's the team that have picks. 437 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 3: But usually a lot of times when these bad teams 438 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 3: have a superstar and they trade them, you're getting bad 439 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 3: picks because obviously you traded the guy to a team 440 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 3: that he's going to elevate. So that's why these teams 441 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 3: just keep getting worse and worse and worse. It's because 442 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 3: nobody wants to play there. And when you do find 443 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 3: a player that wants, that's actually you draft somebody that's good, 444 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 3: give it a couple of years. Then he's like, I 445 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 3: want to get out of here because you guys aren't good. 446 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 3: And then it's just a reoccurring cycle over and over 447 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 3: and over again. And that's how the Wizards. The Wizards 448 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 3: haven't had a guy since John Wall and Bradley Beal 449 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:52,719 Speaker 3: who hasn't played You, hasn't played, Trey Young, hasn't played 450 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 3: George how would actually would be very interested to see 451 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 3: that that combo. I think they won't be as bad 452 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 3: as to would think, but I just the tanking issue 453 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 3: is it'd be really hard to fix. And also you're 454 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 3: tanking for an NBA lottery that a lot of people 455 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 3: think it's fixed. 456 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:12,679 Speaker 2: Well, and there's that too. 457 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody's asking about I thought there was a lotter 458 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 1: for basketball. There is, but there's percentages like they don't 459 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,439 Speaker 1: see it, and there's there's concern about it. 460 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 2: It's legitimacy in a lot of ways. 461 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, when when the MAVs trade away Alika Doncic 462 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 3: and then they're not even in the top three percentages 463 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 3: to get the top overall pick, and then somehow come up. 464 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 3: So that's and then they get Cooper Flags. So that's 465 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 3: why people think it's rigged. And I'm one of those people. 466 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 3: I can probably say that I believe the NBA Draft 467 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,479 Speaker 3: lottery is completely rigged because they want to see the 468 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,719 Speaker 3: best players go to bigger markets. They're not trying to 469 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 3: send Cooper Flag, who picked number two this year, the 470 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 3: Cono number two. Yeah, they don't want to for in Charlotte, 471 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So that's where these issues 472 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 3: come from. So they don't do anything to settle these rumors. 473 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: I know it was the it was Dalan Harper to 474 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: h the Spurs. Actually, oh you mean this last year 475 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. Yeah, the hardest picked fourth. 476 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 3: So they got Connon for Delan Harper was two, who 477 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 3: was three. 478 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: Through seventy six ers they got Edgecombe. So so pointed, Yeah, 479 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 1: I understand. Listen, I hear what you're saying. I guess 480 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: I that haven't had no we were just talking about 481 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: with the NFL, right, the disparity I guess if I 482 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: was a fan of a team that is perpetually tanking, 483 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: it would be pretty disheartening, like like from a you know, 484 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,640 Speaker 1: the whole trust to process thing with the seventy six 485 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: ers became kind of a joke. It was a bit 486 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 1: of a punchline because how many bad years are we 487 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: gonna have to endure as Philadelphia seventy six ers fan. 488 00:23:58,119 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 2: Until you're gonna be good again? 489 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 1: Now eventually you did. Eventually they did. They were good. 490 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 3: The Pistons the same way. Yeah, now looking them this year, 491 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 3: they're great, you know what I mean? But they were 492 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:08,919 Speaker 3: bad for you how many years? 493 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: But kay Kunne was hurt all last year. So were 494 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,199 Speaker 1: the Pistons tanking last year or are they just recognizing, Hey, 495 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,919 Speaker 1: our star players isn't in so we're just not going 496 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 1: to be a good team. 497 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 3: Well it's a matter of are we going to just 498 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 3: get into the playoffs and lose first round? Well then 499 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 3: that that sucks. But I'd rather that than the tank 500 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 3: because that shows especially what are you telling your players, Yeah, 501 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 3: we don't want you to play this game, you know, 502 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 3: we want to lose. 503 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: So you mentioned NFL and I think we've touched on 504 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,880 Speaker 1: it before I mean the most obvious way for a team, 505 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: And I wouldn't say it starts at the beginning of 506 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 1: the year because that would be hard to do, especially 507 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: the physicality of the sport you guys play. But as 508 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 1: the season wears on and you start to recognize it's 509 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 1: just not going our way. 510 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,199 Speaker 2: There's subtle ways. I don't know. I don't know if 511 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 2: you'd call it tanking. 512 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: Again, it seems a bit strategic from an origin's acial standpoint. 513 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: Maybe you play the backup quarterback to get him reps, 514 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: or back back of any position to get them reps. Right, 515 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 1: you play some younger players like I don't think there's 516 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: especially NFL coaches, because they understand we might be kicked 517 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: to the curb as soon as this next year. 518 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 2: Look a look at Brian Flores. That's an example. 519 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: But like even out in Arizona right, like bit is 520 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: close with Jonathan Gannon, Jonathan again was told he was 521 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 1: going to become it back next year, so they had, 522 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,640 Speaker 1: as as Ben puts it, this is his term, a 523 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 1: soft tank in mind. That's why Jacoby Rissett stated in 524 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 1: and evenh Kyler Murray potentially could come back. 525 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:39,199 Speaker 2: They didn't put it back out there. 526 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: You know why, because the intention of trading him in 527 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 1: the off season and they don't want him to get 528 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: hurt again and then they have to pay in the 529 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 1: guarantees because of injury. So that's how you do tanking 530 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 1: in the NFL. But see again, I continue to look 531 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:53,959 Speaker 1: at as strategic not tanking. 532 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 3: Okay, you literally said if we're going to sit or 533 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 3: starting quarter he was already hurts, I know, but he was. 534 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 2: Ready to get the physical game. You guys get hurt 535 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 2: all the time. 536 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 3: Kyler Murray runs it four for he'll be all right. 537 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: I mean, look at your toe right now. Man looks swollen. 538 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was from my chair that I get really hurt. 539 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: I'm just saying that really hurt. You should you should 540 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: take it easy. Maybe take a couple of weeks, maybe 541 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: take a month. No, that's let's just get to the 542 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: off season. 543 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 3: You know, whatever which way you want to call it 544 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 3: is still tanking. And in the NFL teams it's a 545 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 3: different way to do it. You can replace one player 546 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,919 Speaker 3: and it changes a lot of stuff, especially on offense. 547 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 3: If your quarterback gets yeah i'm doing air quotes here, 548 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:44,159 Speaker 3: hurt and you decide to shut him down for the 549 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 3: rest of the year. You're obviously not going to win 550 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 3: as many games as you were supposed to before. 551 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: Well, what if the backup comes in and messes things up, 552 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: you know, Tim Tebow style, you know, comes in and 553 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 1: all of a sudden plays, Well, Tim Tebow was not 554 00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: supposed to win a bunch of games. I'm geting appointed that, 555 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: and specifically because Broncos fans will know exactly what I'm 556 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: talking about. Tim Tebow was inserted in the Miami game 557 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 1: early in the season because, well, think Andrew Luck was 558 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: in the draft the very next year. John Elway wanted 559 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: Andrew Luck, and the fans were clamoring for Tim Tebow 560 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: to be the starting quarterback. It's like, halfway through the season, 561 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: I'm inbo Littleston halway through the. 562 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:20,479 Speaker 2: Season, and what did you do? 563 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: He started ripping off wins left and right, screwed everything up. 564 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: They went eight and eight, and they went to the postseason. 565 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,439 Speaker 2: They won the division. Can you imagine? 566 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess we can, because we see teams 567 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:32,400 Speaker 1: win divisions with losing. 568 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 2: Right right, That's the one that comes to mind. 569 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, eight and nine eight nine is good enough, but 570 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:40,959 Speaker 1: an eight and eight record, they win the division. So 571 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, that's that's what happens. Is, Well, 572 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: you know we're gonna we're gonna see what this guy 573 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: can do. We see we see the riding on the wall. 574 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 1: What the season is gonna be? 575 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I can I can see it. 576 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:55,919 Speaker 2: I'm glad you finally agree with me. 577 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 3: I don't, but I'm saying I can see it. But 578 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 3: also doesn't mean it's right. Doesn't mean it's right. 579 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 2: Well, right and wrong is all in perception. 580 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 3: Come on now, Yeah, but I do. I will say this. 581 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 3: I do like what one person said on the tech sign. 582 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 3: He said, if you don't and this is going back 583 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 3: to NBA, if you don't want good players going to 584 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,919 Speaker 3: small markets, then why have teams in small markets? And 585 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 3: I agree because it seems like in the NBA they 586 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 3: try to force players to always the big market. If 587 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 3: you're a star player on a small market team, every 588 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 3: media talking head shams is over here saying that you should. 589 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 3: They want to get out, they want to get traded 590 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 3: to a bigger market. So then what's what's the point 591 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 3: of having these teams even in Milwaukee, Indianapolis. 592 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: David Stern for that, like David Stern created I mean 593 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: and justifiably like the league is what it is in 594 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: a lot of ways because David Stern built it to 595 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: this point. But he always had this mindset about the 596 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: major markets have to carry this thing. 597 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 3: They have to be competitive, Like the NBA is not good, 598 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 3: that the Lakers aren't good, the NBA is not good, 599 00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 3: the Knicks aren't. 600 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: Good, Celtics and exactly like the major markets have to 601 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: carry this thing. The smaller markets exist to. 602 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 2: Feed the big markets. 603 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 3: And how does that make sense if you're literally in 604 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 3: a competitive sports league. It doesn't How does that make you? 605 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: For for years, like I've argued with you will about NBA, right, 606 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: and I know you know you're a Milwaukee fan, and 607 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: of course I'm a Nuggets fan. And even though Dave 608 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: tells people I'm not a Nuggets fan, I am a 609 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: Nuggets fan. 610 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 3: I'm Dave. I got you today. You're a TIMBERWL fan. 611 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 3: We know we don't. 612 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 2: I am not. 613 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 1: But the point of it is is like that's what 614 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 1: the NBA designed itself to be. 615 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 2: It's not the NFL. 616 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 3: And that's why the NFL is so you know great 617 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 3: in its own is because you have a town of 618 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 3: one hundred thousand people having having a team in Green Bay, 619 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 3: Wisconsin and it's always you have to hear one of 620 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 3: the best teams in the NFL and they're a town 621 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 3: of one hundred thousand people and there's never Jordan a 622 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 3: They got to Jordan Love needs to get to La 623 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 3: Jordan Love needs to get to Miami. 624 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: It was so weird, by the way, just a side note, 625 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: like if the NFL, if we did, if we did 626 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: cover the league, like that, what a weird thing to say, Like, boy, 627 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: Jordan Love is just wasting his talent out there in 628 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: Green Bay, you know. 629 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 3: What I mean. But like that's crazy. But that's the 630 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 3: NBA though, Yeah, that's the NBA in a nutshell. It's like, uh, 631 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 3: you know, we'll let the small market team win one. 632 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 3: And that's why I'm just figuring. I'm just waiting to 633 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 3: see what happens with Oklahoma City. What's the NBA going 634 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 3: to do to try to break them up? Because we 635 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 3: can't have these small market teams winning for too long. 636 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 2: It's fascinating stuff. 637 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: Hey, before we get the top of the hour and 638 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: then we're gonna hear from Kylevin, NOI I want to 639 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: do a. 640 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 2: Do you hear Michael Irvin going off about San Francisco. 641 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't necessarily agree with everything he was saying. 642 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 2: I'm play a little bit of it. It was very long. 643 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: Thank you Grant for cutting this down because it was monotonous. 644 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, here's Michael Irving saying that this is the 645 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 1: worst super Bowl he's ever been to. 646 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 5: This they don't need they should never, ever, ever, ever 647 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 5: bring the Super Bowl back to San Francisco. 648 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 3: I'm sorry. 649 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 5: I'm sorry the city this is and all the years 650 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 5: of going towards Super Bowl, this was the worst. 651 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:28,719 Speaker 3: This this this seems so like blah. It was blah 652 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 3: in the city, you know what I mean. 653 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 5: It was just it just wasn't jumping like you see 654 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 5: his super Bowl was jumping. 655 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 3: It was blad. 656 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 2: The people blah blah. 657 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 5: The buildings out here looks blah. 658 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 6: You know, when you go and and you're going to events, 659 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 6: it's like blah. 660 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 5: I'm thinking, it's so much money out here because the 661 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 5: techs out. 662 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 3: Here, right, but it all looks so blah. 663 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 6: Blah blah blah blah blah. And I didn't want to 664 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 6: dance in anybody also hope about a super Bowl during 665 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 6: the Super Bowl, So I said I'm gonna wait, but 666 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 6: I couldn't wait until. 667 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 3: This moment came to tell you. Damn, it's just this, 668 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 3: I believe for Super Bowl I've ever gone to. Okay, awful, 669 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 3: Like I'm not. I think his comments are awful. 670 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 2: You were out there, I was out there. 671 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 3: And the one thing I will say is the NFL 672 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 3: definitely needs to plan a little bit better. You know, 673 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 3: there's and not just the NFL, the party planners all that, 674 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 3: because it did seem like it did take a while 675 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 3: to get around because San Francisco is a busy city. 676 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 3: It's a small city, but it's a lot of people. 677 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, you need to go like San Jose for some things, 678 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 2: and that. 679 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 3: There's some part there's some parties and stuff in San Jose. 680 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 3: I think the media thing was in San Jose. But 681 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 3: if people don't know the geography, that's a forty five 682 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 3: minute hour drive depending on traffic, right, And so some 683 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 3: people'd have some one thing in San Francisco and then 684 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 3: they have to go to San Jose later. For I 685 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 3: just remember it was I think it was k Kailani 686 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 3: was playing in San Jose and my wife was like, 687 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 3: do you want to go to that? I was like, 688 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 3: maybe you're from here. Do you think we're going all 689 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 3: the way down to San Jose just for a concert? No, 690 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 3: no we're not. But so the one thing I will 691 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 3: say is like that it was not closely spaced. But 692 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 3: what I will fight back on as the people. There 693 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 3: was great people all around. There were fans all around. 694 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 3: There were Seahawks fans, Patriots fans, there was forty nine 695 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 3: Ers fans all around, It was Raiders sin There was 696 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 3: people all around, and it was a great vibe. It 697 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 3: was great weather. Clearly mid seventies, like load of mid 698 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 3: seventies a whole week, and in San Francisco that's rare, 699 00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 3: so the weather was perfect. I just don't understand, and 700 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 3: I honestly definitely believe that Michael Urban has a East 701 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 3: Coast you know, love affair because he's a Miami guy, 702 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like, he's a Miami guy, 703 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 3: So of course he's gonna go to California and talk 704 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 3: about how crappy it is because obviously he wasn't back 705 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 3: in Miami. Blah blah blah blah blah. But it was 706 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 3: a I had a great time. It actually was Me 707 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 3: and my wife had an amazing time. I think because 708 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 3: the last sup Bowl I went to was Arizona, and 709 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 3: I actually think it was way better than Arizona and 710 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:36,840 Speaker 3: I truly enjoyed myself. 711 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been to the one in Atlanta and the 712 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: one in Minnesota. I've heard New Orleans is really good, 713 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: like I've heard, like being in New Orleans for the 714 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,240 Speaker 1: Super Bowl is pretty awesome as far as the layout 715 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: of things. The onely thing I like about Minnesota is 716 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 1: everything was walkable. It was all right there in the 717 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,279 Speaker 1: mall of America. You didn't have to even really go 718 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: outside to get to anything. 719 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 3: Everything's connected by tunnels, That's what I'm saying. So that's 720 00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 3: like the cool part about it. So you could do 721 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:00,840 Speaker 3: Indianapol too, because. 722 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,279 Speaker 2: Everything's connected, That's what I'm saying. 723 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 1: So like I personally like that, but you're right, I 724 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: mean from a planning standpoint, but this is it was 725 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:11,799 Speaker 1: a decade ago when the Broncos were out, there was 726 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,239 Speaker 1: the same thing, Like you had to travel everywhere and 727 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 1: forty five minute drive. 728 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:16,840 Speaker 2: That is kind of obnoxious. 729 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 1: But the way he's framing it though, is like it's 730 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,879 Speaker 1: a bad city and I don't I don't feel that. 731 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,919 Speaker 3: And and that's what I fired back home. But also 732 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 3: I was in Oakland. I was an Oakland Raider when 733 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 3: the Broncos won that Super Bowl, and so I was 734 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 3: around and it was a great time and everybody was 735 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,759 Speaker 3: enjoying themselves, and so I enjoyed San Francisco. Next year 736 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 3: is to LA and so we'll see how it goes. 737 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: We come back Kyle van Noy in one hand, saying 738 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 1: very nice things about the position that Shelby Harris plays, 739 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,319 Speaker 1: on the other hand, taking some shots of Shelby. 740 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 2: We'll get to that next