1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:01,920 Speaker 1: This is the Mark Madden Show. 2 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 2: Big games start at three o'clock Real Madrid at Liverpool 3 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 2: in the Champions League. It's a game the whole world 4 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 2: will be watching, including me, so expect a little soccer 5 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 2: touretts today. Let's talking now to Tommy Radio. Tom would 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 2: you have paid that price for Myers? If for the 7 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 2: Steelers a fourth and a sixth store even a bit more, 8 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 2: if that's what it would have took. 9 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would have best did that offer. I would 10 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 3: have done your third round pick in a sixth round 11 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 3: pick scenario. I think that that is a no brainer 12 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 3: to me. And honestly, Mark, I kind of saw this coming. 13 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 3: I'm sure you did too, because last year's receiver market 14 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 3: was the same way. It's a little bit less volume 15 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:40,919 Speaker 3: this year as far as receivers on the move, but 16 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 3: the price tag is the exact same. And you kind 17 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 3: of heard these rumors out there like, well, the prices 18 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 3: are out of control, that's why you're not seeing receivers move. Well, 19 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 3: then the number one receiver that could be moved in 20 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 3: a lot of people's eyes gets moved for a fourth 21 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 3: and a sixth. 22 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: You had to get in there. I mean a lave 23 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: might move, But yeah, you're first one for now. 24 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 2: You're right on about the price for Myers that the 25 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 2: Steelers should have paid it, and it wasn't that deer 26 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 2: even if he is going to be a free agent 27 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 2: of seasons in. I don't get why they make the 28 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:12,839 Speaker 2: huge deal for DK and pay him, but it's evident 29 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 2: they don't have enough at receiver and they won't make 30 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 2: this little. 31 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 1: Deal to flush out the offense flesh out. 32 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 3: And when you have the opportunity like you do with 33 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 3: the Ravens starting so slowly and you jumping out to 34 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 3: the lead that you have in the division, you got 35 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 3: to capitalize on that or else. All this talk about 36 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 3: we're going all in and we're getting Rogers to finally 37 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 3: win a playoff game, and it was just talk because 38 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 3: you're not actually walking it out right here in this 39 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 3: opportunity to add to that offense and help them. 40 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 2: Well the Steelers one hundred percent of the time, or 41 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 2: just talk. So one thing, one thing this isn't is surprising. 42 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 2: You can't be all in and then pass up a 43 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 2: deal like that. You can't have all these grandpas and 44 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 2: not add to try to win now. And the explanation 45 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 2: always is they build through the draft. I get it 46 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 2: right now. Like I said, you're all in with a 47 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 2: bunch of senior citizens, and a fourth and a sixth 48 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 2: isn't that big of a price. I mean, you'll get 49 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 2: close to that back and then summon com picks. 50 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 3: Uh. Do you really trust the Steelers to draft with 51 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 3: fourth and sixth round picks too? 52 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 2: Like? 53 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: Should we be giving them that benefit of the doubt 54 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: right now? I wouldn't trust the Steelers to wash my car. 55 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 3: They just haven't been nailing draft picks at a high 56 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 3: volume lately, and I'm sorry, that's just a fact. So 57 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 3: why not use them to get a proven commodity in 58 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 3: at Jacobe Myers. 59 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 2: Well, I feel like they need a cornerback more than 60 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 2: a why dot Anyway, I just don't want Slay to 61 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 2: ever play. 62 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: Is that? Okay, let's bail some hay. Yeah, I completely 63 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: agree with you, Happy Gilmore. 64 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 3: I mean, he's Coodn't they do that spot in the 65 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 3: sequel too? I think they did start to riff a 66 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 3: little bit back and forth. Christopher McDonald, I think starting a. 67 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 2: Shooter during the fight at Grandma's. 68 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 3: Great Yeah, I think shooters started to entertain that with him. 69 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 3: Oh hi, Grandma but anyway, yes, Slay is cooked. You 70 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 3: gotta get him off the field. I'm with you on 71 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 3: the cornerback thing. I do flinch at that price tag 72 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 3: for Sauce Gardner and two first round picks. 73 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: So you would not have made the sauce Gardener deal. 74 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 3: I don't know if I would have made the sauce 75 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 3: Gardener deal. Maybe I'm too puslanimous for that. 76 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: Let me tell you why I would have. 77 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 2: He's twenty five, you got him for five years on 78 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 2: top of this one. If your first round pick next 79 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 2: year is Sauce Gardener and the year after it's Sauce Gardener, 80 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 2: those are two pretty good first ground picks. And I 81 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 2: think a part of it might be and people have 82 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 2: certainly said this on social media that they don't want 83 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 2: to trade away their first round pick when the draft 84 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 2: is in Pittsburgh this coming year. But okay, just give 85 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 2: him a first round pick in twenty seven and twenty eight. Then, 86 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 2: I mean, if you can't make that deal, then throw 87 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 2: in a second. I mean, get Sauce Gardner to try 88 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 2: to win now. And if you're basing how you construct 89 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 2: your roster based on where the draft is next year, 90 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 2: that's a pretty crappy way of constructing your roster. 91 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: That is a bad priority. 92 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 3: It's a bad organization right there if they're letting fan 93 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 3: noise and making sure the fans have a good day 94 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 3: in April for the draft. 95 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 2: But they sure are doing that. I mean, not that 96 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 2: they would ever trade for Gardner, but in any potential 97 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 2: trade situation, they're just not giving up the first round 98 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 2: pick when they host the draft. 99 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 3: And you know, I bet people will push back at 100 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 3: you for saying that you would trade the first round 101 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 3: picks for Sauce Gardener and say, what about Menca. This 102 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 3: is way different than Menca. Sauce Gardner is a legit 103 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 3: number one, lockdown cornerback. That's one of the three most 104 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 3: valuable positions in it. 105 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 2: It's a year when you're all in, not a year 106 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 2: when Ben got hurt and Minca, let's not forget, came 107 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 2: in here and had two and a half really impactful truth. 108 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 3: But also market's not it is about winning now, but 109 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 3: Sauce is winning in the future too. I mean, this 110 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 3: guy's got, like you said, you got five years of control, 111 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 3: and he's probably got at lace five, six, seven more 112 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 3: years of runway of being an all Pro caliber player anyway, Now. 113 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: Ramsey is gonna stay at safety this week. I like it. 114 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 2: I think it should be permanent and probably should have 115 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 2: been done a while back. 116 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 3: Absolutely, I think that this probably should have been what 117 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 3: they did the beginning of the season. Imagine if you 118 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 3: had a full training camp under his belt, where he 119 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 3: could have just completely made that transition to that position. 120 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 3: Although kudos to him, I think he's gonna make it 121 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 3: pretty smooth. Even I don't think it's going to bet. 122 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 3: He played it in college, so I mean there's some familiarity. 123 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 2: I think he's really smart. I can only see that 124 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 2: on the field. I think it's very evident just you 125 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 2: watch games. 126 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 3: And you know what, I think that smarts might translate 127 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 3: to kind of recognizing where he is because you don't 128 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 3: really see him pushing back, do you about switching to safety. 129 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 3: He's embracing it, at least so far, and he needs 130 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 3: to to keep his career running at a high level. 131 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 2: Now here's why I would have got Sauce or Jacobe 132 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 2: and probably both. To be honest, the Steelers are all 133 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 2: in with Vets. What happens in like two years, when 134 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 2: all those guys are retired or really bad, he might 135 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 2: have drafted your franchise quarterback, but he has a crappy 136 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 2: roster to work with. 137 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. 138 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 3: And also the quarterback suck right now in college, right, 139 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 3: So like, how valuable is that first round pick if 140 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:57,799 Speaker 3: you really aren't gonna be going into that quarterback? 141 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,919 Speaker 2: Well, you're you're obviously looking at how ten not just 142 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 2: current performance. 143 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 3: But yeah, but to what you said, they're like, if 144 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 3: your first round pick was Sauce Gardener next year, oh 145 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 3: my god, you take that in a hardpeat. You're not 146 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 3: gonna pick in a spot next year without trading up 147 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 3: to get a player of the caliber of Sauce Gardener. 148 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 3: So you know, when you look at the quarterback crop, 149 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 3: it's like, why would we hesitate when these guys don't 150 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 3: look like they're franchise changing guys. And then the bomber 151 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 3: doesn't come out from pitt intill like two years, so 152 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 3: you'll have your first round pick when he's out. 153 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's your guy obviously. Now. 154 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 2: Now here's the thing too, I don't trust them for 155 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 2: one second to draft the white quarterback right and develop 156 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 2: him even if they do, because Tomlin, except for hereting Ben, 157 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 2: has been one of the worst NFL. 158 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: Head coaches, his track record. 159 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 2: At finding and using and developing and having good quarterbacks. 160 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 3: Well, I think that's why there's no coincidence that the 161 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 3: offenses that looked the most competent since Ben is when 162 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 3: he's gone out and found like other franchises quarterbacks who 163 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 3: are now mercenaries. Russell Wilson gave that offense an air 164 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 3: of seriousness last year, and then Rogers has just taken 165 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 3: it to a completely another level. Like Rogers does look 166 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 3: like what Ben kind of looked like towards the end 167 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 3: of Ben. 168 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: It looks better. 169 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, he's got more arm talent because Ben Ben, 170 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 3: if you're listening, sorry, it wasn't your fault. It is 171 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 3: an injury, yeah, probably probably. 172 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 2: Even bad surgery. Let's blame anybody. Yeah, exactly. I can't 173 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 2: trust doctors a day I mean I do, but you 174 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 2: know there's nothing they can I mean, look at me 175 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 2: a day later. I'm still impressed up with the win 176 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 2: over Indy, and that's a big win over a good team. 177 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 2: I'm glad they didn't have sauce. If they would have 178 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 2: sauce for that game, they win the game. But I 179 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 2: think it, like, what is sauce going to do in 180 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 2: that game affects the way you approach the game. But 181 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 2: I feel the Steelers are headed to the same destination 182 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 2: ten and seven on a first round exit. I don't 183 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 2: feel like that when Yesterday convinced Monday up Sunday whenever 184 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 2: it was played, convinces me enough to make me think 185 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 2: it's going someplace better. 186 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 3: I was convinced that it was going someplace worse until 187 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 3: that win happened on Sunday, Like it looked like they 188 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 3: were actually headed to mee being eight to nine, dare 189 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 3: we even entertain that? Or for sure being nine to 190 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 3: eight not getting to ten and seven. Now it just 191 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 3: feels like they're kind of back on track to being 192 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 3: that ten and seventeam. If you don't think that a 193 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 3: letdown can happen when Flacco comes back to town, or 194 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 3: that you go to Chicago on Monday night football, that's 195 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 3: probably the more likely one on the road against the Bears, 196 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 3: Like that's still a very very high possibility. 197 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: Tom. 198 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 2: Can't you just feel Buffalo in Kansas City as wild 199 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 2: cards in the AFC when the Steelers whin the AFC North, 200 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 2: I'd be shocked if not. 201 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 3: I especially feel that with Buffalo. I think they still 202 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 3: got a pretty good shot to take out the Patriots 203 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 3: for the AFC East. But Buffalo's got to win like 204 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 3: every game and keep pace with them. Because the Patriots 205 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 3: play nobody, their schedule's awful. They're just gonna keep racking up. 206 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 2: I don't think both Buffalo and Kansas City will come 207 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:47,199 Speaker 2: back to win the division. One will be a while. 208 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 3: One of them card slot and that's who the Steelers 209 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 3: will play. One oh five nine the X. 210 00:08:53,480 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 4: It's the pregame show brought to us by the personal 211 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 4: injury expert cener Ovic, Cendrovic and fishmen. 212 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 2: Others charged forty percent, they charged twenty five. I'm a 213 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 2: rumor they might have a Christmas seal where they charge 214 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 2: twenty four percent more on that as it trickles in 215 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:22,599 Speaker 2: h I'm serious when I say the Steelers should have 216 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 2: made that deal for Sauce. I had have traded two 217 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 2: frust round picks for Sauce. If I'm the Steelers like 218 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,599 Speaker 2: Indy did, I'd have definitely traded a fourth and a 219 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 2: sixth to Vegas for Jacoby Myers, the receiver. 220 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: I'd have traded a third and a sixth. 221 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:36,199 Speaker 2: I might have traded a third and a fifth to 222 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 2: get it done and have a legitimate receiving corps. But 223 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 2: that's not the Steeler's way. Here here's a great stat 224 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 2: on Sauce Stott. Sauce has not allowed more than two 225 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 2: receptions to any receiver all year. Wow, he's a top 226 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 2: three quarterback. People say, well, he doesn't get interceptions. That's 227 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 2: because nobody throws in his direction. He takes away half 228 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:06,839 Speaker 2: the field. He's like Grievas efing Island and then the 229 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 2: Jets doing a fire sale. Quinnin Williams, the defensive tackle's 230 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 2: great goes to Dallas. We don't have the return yet, 231 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 2: but but that's a dumb deal for Dallas. Dallas is 232 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 2: three five and one. They lost last night. Their season's over. 233 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 2: But Jerry Jones likes the wheel and' neal because that 234 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 2: keeps his name in the media. Jerry Jones is a buffoon. 235 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 2: That's why Dallas sucks. They have a fan as their 236 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 2: general manager. He happens to be the owner, which means 237 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 2: he can't fire. Well, he won't fire himself as GM, 238 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 2: but they have a fan as the general manager. I 239 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 2: want you to rebut me on the Sauce stuff and 240 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 2: the Jacoby stuff will be taking calls next hour, lineup now, 241 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 2: line up right now, wait for an hour, prove that 242 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 2: you want it by dollaring eight three to three, four 243 00:10:54,840 --> 00:11:01,719 Speaker 2: one two ninety nine thirty nine. Okay, let's talk Penguins, 244 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 2: because that game last night started out as magic and 245 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 2: it wound up as tragic. Up three nil after two 246 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 2: at Toronto, and the least scored four in the third 247 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 2: period of one four to three. 248 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: The Penguins dominated. 249 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 2: For two periods, absolutely dominated, but Toronto tied it in 250 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 2: the first seven minutes of the third and it was 251 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 2: light shot, light shot for Pittsburgh. After that, Penguin's not 252 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 2: shot Toronto. Check this out this number Penguin's not shot 253 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 2: Toronto twenty five. 254 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: To eight through two periods. What happened? I don't know. 255 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 2: Maybe they got over confident during the intermission. Maybe they've 256 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 2: been over their skis to this point in terms of 257 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 2: starting eight two and two, then eight three and two, 258 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 2: now eight four and two. I'm pissed that they blew 259 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 2: the lead, but I understand these Penguins are a team 260 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 2: in transition and games like that are gonna happen. They 261 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 2: happened to every team, but maybe more than once to 262 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 2: the Penguins. Maybe last night was the first in a series. 263 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 2: Maybe if they lose to Washington at home on Thursday, 264 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 2: they go on a legit skid. That game suddenly if 265 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 2: you think they can make the playoffs, that game's important. 266 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 2: For teams that are really borderlined points in October November, 267 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 2: they matter a ton, and the Penguins are a Cup 268 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 2: contender and probably realistically not even a playoff team. At 269 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 2: eight to four and two, they've been overachieving. So here 270 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,719 Speaker 2: are my criticisms for what happened last night. First off, 271 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 2: Jari was afland goal deep in his net. There was 272 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 2: that pinball goal to make it three to two. He 273 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 2: loot four goals on twenty shots, a save percentage of eighty. 274 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 2: A shooter tutor would do better. Saran wrap or a 275 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 2: pylon might do better. Mus put Market on Sid's wing 276 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 2: part way through the game because Hallander ain't it on 277 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 2: Sid's line, And I don know if Sid said something 278 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 2: or if muse just divine Sid's will, but whoever decided, 279 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 2: it's just an awful move. 280 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: It traditionally doesn't work. It didn't work last night. 281 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 2: Bob Airy said that on the broadcast a couple of 282 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 2: years ago, when Selby went to it. 283 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: This just never works, and it did not last night. 284 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 1: It makes the Penguins. 285 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 2: Insanely easy to play against, to check, it makes them 286 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 2: a one line team. Beyond description. You can't just make 287 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 2: sure Sid's got a line he likes. I mean you 288 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 2: can if you don't care if you make the playoffs. 289 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 2: But somebody said that Sid deserves to be in the 290 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 2: playoffs every year. Well, I mean, okay, then coach that way. 291 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 2: That's the first thing Muse did that I just thought 292 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 2: was insanely dumb. Brunic was rotten again, minus two again. 293 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 2: I'd still keep Runic and Pittsburgh, but I bet they don't. 294 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 2: I bet he goes back to juniors. Ben Kendall, our guy, 295 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 2: had two goals, including one on the power play, and 296 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,719 Speaker 2: then in the third period when it was three to 297 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 2: three and the Penguin's got a power play. On that 298 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 2: power play, Kindle never got the puck. Hey, why feed 299 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 2: the hot hand? Just let the veterans figure it out. 300 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 2: But they didn't. Let me tell you, I've seen enough 301 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 2: of Ben Kindall. He should be on the left half 302 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 2: wall of the power play when everybody's healthy, and it 303 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 2: should go through him the whole friggin power play all 304 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 2: the time, because it's never been a great power play guy. 305 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 2: Gino's never been a great power play guy. I used 306 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 2: to think Carlson was, but he's not no more. The 307 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 2: guy on that team with the best power play instincts 308 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 2: is eighteen year old Ben Kindall, but I would say 309 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 2: that he's my favorite Penguin. Uh, tom, I feel like 310 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 2: Jari was most to blame. It was a traditional Jarry failure. 311 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: Too deep in the net, that pinball goal, and he 312 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: never makes the save he needs to. 313 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent, Jarry is the most to blame. 314 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 3: I mean, it just comes down to sixteen saves on 315 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 3: twenty shots. You gotta be a lot better than that. 316 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 3: And he wasn't tested through those first two periods like 317 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 3: at all. It was a very easy kind of walk 318 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 3: through the park. And then it just kind of turned 319 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 3: up for him in the third period and didn't respond 320 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 3: any that often. 321 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: Said, Tommy is the attention span of a goat. He's 322 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: not that bright. He just loses focus at the drop 323 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: of a hat. 324 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 3: And that game was such a game that you could 325 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 3: lose focus in, right, Just a sleepy first couple of 326 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 3: periods for him, and then look what happens just they 327 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 3: explode on him for four goals. 328 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 2: Now, I think we got some sound from Dan Hughes. 329 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 2: We might play later. But if you're the coach, do 330 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 2: you now rethink that rotation? You know, a different guy 331 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 2: game in and game out. I probably don't, but it might. 332 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 2: This might be the first step in leading me to rethink. 333 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's the first step, but it would 334 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 3: be a little too knee jerky to do it now 335 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 3: after one back to back instance of Sheilv's not playing 336 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 3: well against the Jets early in that game than Jari 337 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 3: not playing well late in this game against the Leaf 338 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 3: So I would stick with it. See if they can 339 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 3: both bounce back, or maybe one of them bounces back, 340 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 3: and then that kind of makes you go down the 341 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 3: path a little more of Do I stick with this rotation? 342 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 4: Now? 343 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 2: I don't blame Jari for the first Toronto goal Matthew's 344 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 2: on a breakaway because it begs the question, how in 345 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 2: the frig does the guy who once scored sixty goals 346 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 2: get behind your defense when you lead three to zero? 347 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: How's that happen? What are you looking at? What do 348 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: you think it? Yeah? 349 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 3: Absolutely so, I don't worry about that one, But like 350 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 3: you said, the three two. 351 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: No, no, I don't worry about Jari allowing it. 352 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 2: I worry about how that happened, opportunity materialized. 353 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 3: Maybe that's the side of the whole team kind of 354 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 3: just got sleepy on the game, just kind of fell 355 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 3: into a trap. 356 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: And you said that, you. 357 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 3: Know, the Penguins were kind of playing at a level 358 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 3: that was a little bit above their heads. I think 359 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 3: that's fair to say. To start the season, well, the 360 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 3: Leafs have been the opposite, right, like they've been at 361 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 3: the bottom of where their expectations are. 362 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 2: I still don't think seeing them last night, despite the comeback, 363 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 2: I don't think they're very good. 364 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: But in their mind, I think a lot of teams 365 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: in the East aren't very good. 366 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 3: You might be right about that, but I'm just saying 367 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 3: in their locker room, they think they're not a bottom 368 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 3: Eastern Conference team. So they had to be feeling in 369 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 3: that locker room between second period and third period, like, yo, 370 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 3: we got to wake up and do something here. 371 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: What did you make of moving malkin the Sid's line. 372 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't work, It never works. 373 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 3: And I know that you didn't have Brazos so it 374 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,199 Speaker 3: wasn't like you were breaking up the monster line. So 375 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:32,959 Speaker 3: that's good for me because you can't do that. That 376 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 3: line's just been it's barely been the engine for the fact. 377 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 2: Let's keep in mind Manta who did play. Yes, you 378 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 2: know he has thrived based on playing with Gino. Okay, 379 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 2: what the freak happens to him when Malkin jumps the 380 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 2: Sids line? And like I said, if it's being done 381 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:47,919 Speaker 2: for the sake of Sid and Malkin, if that do 382 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 2: you want to make the playoffs or not? They should 383 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 2: have been trying to grind out that result. 384 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 3: And why does it have to be Gino? Like if 385 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 3: you are going to indulge it and say, okay, Hallander's 386 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 3: off your line for the rest of this, Like, why 387 00:17:57,600 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 3: wouldn't you put coivin In up there again and try 388 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 3: that out? Why wouldn't you put Kindle up there and 389 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 3: try that out? 390 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 2: Maybe for a couple of shifts, I will say I 391 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 2: wanted Kindle on the Sid line at one point, but he's. 392 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 3: Sentences the center. You want to be a center, He's 393 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 3: got to be the second line center next year. 394 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: Then he's why you can't keep Gino. Yeah, can't block him. 395 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 2: It worries me so much that they're gonna do stupid 396 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 2: stuff like keep Gino if he has a decent season 397 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 2: and wants to keep playing. 398 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 3: And then you kind of see them do a little 399 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 3: bit of stupid stuff like put Gino on Sid's line, 400 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 3: and I guess that makes you worry a little more. 401 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 2: What makes me worry even more than that the fans 402 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 2: will want Gino to stay. 403 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: Because they won't see the forest through that tree. 404 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 2: Well, put it this way, if the crowds remain low, 405 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 2: I wouldn't let what the fans want influenced me even 406 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 2: a little bit. 407 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 3: I saw you getting some stick on Twitter about people 408 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 3: be like, well, if the good could beat up Juda, 409 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 3: it'll deserve to be the second line center. It's nothing 410 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 3: to do with that. You're not gonna put Gino on 411 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 3: your third line center. That's not gonna happen for a 412 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 3: nineteen year old kid. 413 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 2: Genny Mankin and Ben kindall are heading in opposite directions. 414 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 2: It will not be long before they pass each other 415 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 2: going in opposite direction. And when I say not be long, 416 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 2: I'm talking like januinere youre February. 417 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 3: He already has passed him in the power play Kendle 418 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 3: versus Malkin. He's the best hard to do. He's the 419 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 3: best power play guy on the team. Admittedly small sample, 420 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 3: but that's what I see. 421 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 2: I I know those classic circle guys. 422 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: Uh, shit, ain't Marcin, ain't Kindle? 423 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 3: Is something about that number on the power play? Huh 424 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 3: number eighty one. Let's like shills out there again? 425 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 2: Kindle shopmore last night on the power Play? Then fielded 426 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 2: some months. 427 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: Uh. 428 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 2: Would you keep Brunick or send him back to Junior 429 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 2: eight because he was bad for another game? 430 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 1: Comedy in a row now a lot. 431 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 3: I like what you said recently about keeping the kids together, 432 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 3: and that's kind of why I would keep him here. 433 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 3: It doesn't mean that you have to play him every game. 434 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 3: If he has to be scratched back to back games 435 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 3: for his development, that's fine. Put Doomba out there, I'd 436 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 3: keep him. Pickering and Brunick were brutal last night, though, 437 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,120 Speaker 3: I mean, just an awful pair. Black hole for that team. 438 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 3: Pickering soft. 439 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: Uh. 440 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 2: The Penguins host Washington on Thursday at PPG tom It 441 00:19:58,040 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 2: could be a third loss in a row, although the 442 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 2: you know they're below the peng was in the standings. 443 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 1: If they do lose though, Might that trigger collapse? Yeah? 444 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: I think absolutely. 445 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 3: I think we're always going to be on the look 446 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 3: for a collapse right now, right because of the expectations 447 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 3: were just thrown so askew at the start of the season. 448 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 3: But we thought this team was not going to be 449 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 3: a very good team this year, and you know, still 450 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 3: the same team on paper that we predicted wouldn't be 451 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 3: very good. So I think we're always going to kind 452 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 3: of be looking for Hey, they lost three games in 453 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 3: a row. 454 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: Is the bottom falling out now? And it might make 455 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: twenty time? 456 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, but that loss last night could be a learning experience. 457 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,439 Speaker 2: I hope somebody in that locker room said, look, we 458 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 2: thought too hotly of ourselves, and that is why they lost. 459 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 2: If they would have coming to the third period trying 460 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 2: to grind not the results. But they're used to being 461 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 2: a team that extends lead as opposed to holding leads. 462 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: But they're not that team anymore. 463 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 3: And I could see how that first two periods really 464 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,120 Speaker 3: kind of fed into that and then feeling themselves because 465 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 3: they were awesome in this first two periods since pass 466 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 3: to Carlson for the opening goal was so sick and 467 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,439 Speaker 3: Gino on the power play Mark when he's like direct traffic, 468 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 3: like get that stick out of my way, and then 469 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 3: he feeds Kindle for the goal. 470 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 1: It was awesome. They were playing great on. 471 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 2: The last power play. Should have been directing traffic to Kindle. 472 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. I and you know what needs to be said. 473 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 2: I when I coached not to bring my vast but 474 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 2: but illustrious ball hockey coach agreed to this. If we 475 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 2: didn't have a good goalie, I would find an excuse 476 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 2: for the goalie to be doing something else or talk 477 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,719 Speaker 2: to one the assistant coach, whatever, and I would say, 478 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 2: listen to the team, we know so and so is 479 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 2: not very good. 480 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 1: Okay, he tries. 481 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 2: We like him. Even if he didn't try and we 482 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 2: didn't like him. But I said, he tries and we 483 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 2: like him. But you got to understand that that you 484 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 2: got to play a certain way in front of a 485 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 2: goalie like that, and you got to get guys to 486 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 2: buy into it. I think with these goalies, and especially 487 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:48,199 Speaker 2: Jari and his proneness to just really bad stretches, the 488 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 2: Penguins have to talk amongst themselves and realize that and. 489 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,959 Speaker 3: That certain way is not letting Austin Matthews sixty goal 490 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 3: scorer to get behind your entire defense for a breakaway 491 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 3: on that said bad goaltender. 492 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, It's like I couldn't believe it was a breakaway, 493 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 2: and then I though it was Matthews, and I really 494 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 2: couldn't believe it. 495 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 5: One X Thursday night, the Pens hit the ice against 496 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 5: the Capitals. 497 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 1: Game time is seven. 498 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 5: Our coverage starts at six here every game and the 499 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 5: best coverage right here on your Home of the Pens. 500 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: One O five nine The X. 501 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 6: We're adding another show to The X's concert calendar. 502 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 5: Prepare for the Maximum Fun Tour, A date to remember 503 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 5: Yellow Card, EPG Paints Arena November fifth, special guests, The 504 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 5: Wonder Years and Dinosaur Pile Up. 505 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: Tickets on sale. 506 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 5: Now at ticketmaster dot com and The Maximum Fun Tour, 507 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 5: A date to Remember Yellow Card. 508 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 6: A car crash can change your life in seconds. 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But he's wrong, He's wrong. 526 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 2: I will say Quinn Williams, he won't have the impact 527 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 2: that Michael Parson's with Dallas, but he will definitely have 528 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 2: impact Tom. I was gonna say that since the Jets 529 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 2: are having a fire sale, not unlike the Diehard with 530 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 2: Timothy Oliphant, is the heel that the Steeler should inquire 531 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 2: for Garrett Wilson to wide out. 532 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: But Rogers and he do not like each other. 533 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 2: And that may be a mild euphemism for how much 534 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 2: they don't like each other. 535 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no way that Rogers would would greenlight that. 536 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 3: That just did not work. It was like oil and 537 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 3: water in New York with him Garrett Wilson. When Matt 538 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 3: Williamson actually told me why it was like that one day, 539 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 3: he was just like Gillart, Wilson's a big improviser and 540 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 3: Rogers this no buyo. When you're playing with Rogers, you 541 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 3: got to be where Rogers expects you to be. 542 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 2: I'm not sure Sauce Gardner liked Rogers either. I heard 543 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 2: that that him and Wilson kind of were a unit 544 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 2: of two and felt that it you know that it 545 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,919 Speaker 2: was going to be their team, and you know, it 546 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,919 Speaker 2: became Rogers's team the minute he got in there, but 547 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 2: part of us because they drafted the boyd toy Zach Wilson. 548 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 2: He failed miserably. 549 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 3: I think Sauce and Rodgers had a good relationship at 550 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 3: the beginning, Like I remember when he first got in 551 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 3: your they were popping up like court side at Knicks 552 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 3: games and they were doing a lot of stuff together. 553 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 3: But I think when Rogers didn't deliver on that promise 554 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,880 Speaker 3: of greener pastures, Sauce kind of I think it wore 555 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 3: out on him, and then he was kind of becoming 556 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 3: a huge distraction for the team. So yeah, I think 557 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 3: there's I don't know if Sauce doesn't like him like 558 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 3: Garrett Wilson probably doesn't, but I bet you Sauce is 559 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 3: like that dude didn't deliver what I thought he was 560 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 3: going to. 561 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 2: And you know what, the point I made that enough 562 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 2: people haven't picked up on Rogers in New York made 563 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 2: it worse by being on the McAfee show and the 564 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 2: stuff he said. Rogers and Pittsburgh has made a better 565 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 2: by not because Pat's not your friend. If you're a 566 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 2: guest on that show, pass not anybody's friend. Pats f 567 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 2: himself first and second and everybody else. 568 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 3: I would love to know how that you know all 569 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 3: broke too write like whose idea was it? Was it 570 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 3: Rogers saying I'm gonna pull back on that kind of stuff? 571 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 3: Did the Steelers suggest it? Well? First off, was the 572 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,959 Speaker 3: guy who recruited Rogers to do it, old teammate from 573 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 3: Green Bay. Yeah, and I would guess the Steelers said, 574 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 3: we'd prefer this something like that in the very genteel way, like, 575 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 3: you know, we don't think this is a good idea. 576 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 3: We're not going to tell you can't, but we would 577 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,360 Speaker 3: prefer you don't. And he acquiesced Rogers has been great. 578 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 3: He's done everything right now well, and Rogers is no 579 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 3: dummy either. 580 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 2: I would think that Rogers probably looked at, you know, 581 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 2: the fallout from some of his appearances, you know, on 582 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 2: McAfee in New York and said, Okay, yeah, they're right. 583 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: Do you think it was hard to resist that million dollars? Though? 584 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 2: I don't think a million bucks beats anything to Aaron 585 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 2: Rodgers Tom Social media has overreacting to Penguins loss, and 586 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 2: that's fun, I guess, and I admit it. It's the 587 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 2: type of loss that readily invites overreaction blowing a three 588 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 2: zero lead in the third period. But one guy on 589 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,400 Speaker 2: Twitter said, you got to call up Morrishaw from Wilkes. 590 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 2: He's killing it in the AHL and Jarry stinks. Okay, 591 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 2: Morshoff is killing it and Jari does stink. But where 592 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,360 Speaker 2: do you think these Penguins are at if you want 593 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 2: to make that move? What's the ceiling with morishoff? Even 594 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 2: if he comes up and is you know what we 595 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 2: hope he is and is morishof for sure one hundred 596 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 2: percent for sure ready to play behind a team that 597 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 2: imploded like the Penguins did last night. Because I'm blaming Jari. 598 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,199 Speaker 2: But but the way the Penguins played defensively did not 599 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 2: cover itself in glory. So is he ready to play 600 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 2: in the NHL for sure? And what's gained? You know, 601 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 2: what's the ceiling to rush him? You people out there, 602 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 2: I know you want everything now. If you want everything now, 603 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 2: sell out PPG paints Serena. Maybe then you get more 604 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 2: of a focus on now to repay that. But try 605 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 2: to understand the agenda here. 606 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't want to like put marishoff in bubble wrap, 607 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 3: but I really want to be extra careful with him 608 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 3: because follow the plan. Yeah sure, and maybe he has 609 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 3: expedited the plan slightly because his play has just been magnificent, 610 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 3: but not expedite it to the point where it's just 611 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 3: a month in the AHL, and then you're right at 612 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 3: the NHL level, a team that's in second place in 613 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 3: the metro and has eighteen points. Like there's pressure there too. 614 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 3: It's like, hey, save us from potentially having a slide here, kid, Yeah, I. 615 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:09,239 Speaker 1: Just I'm not doing it. 616 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 2: Here's here's the scenario that I could live with is 617 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 2: if they're in a playoff spot in February and you 618 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,199 Speaker 2: and you somehow trade Jari or push him down a 619 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 2: flight of steps or. 620 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:19,640 Speaker 1: He gets hurt. 621 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm in ahead with the rubber hose. I 622 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,199 Speaker 2: don't I don't care what you do, but but you know, 623 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 2: then I could see it. But the thing is, you 624 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 2: can't call up more Shoff and send Jari down because 625 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 2: then you would be saying, Okay, the goaltending that miraculously 626 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 2: got us here isn't good enough. 627 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 1: And I think I think the. 628 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 2: Locker room knows how good Morshof is, but I think 629 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 2: that would still disrupt it. 630 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 3: It might just be the best for the team for 631 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 3: that logo moving forward, for Mehrishov to get a full 632 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 3: AHL season under his belt, go on a playoff run 633 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 3: with the wilkes Bard Baby Penguins, and then next year 634 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 3: come into training camp with eyes on becoming the number 635 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 3: one goalie for the Penguins that season, him and she 636 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 3: Lofts as the kind of the tandem, him kind of 637 00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 3: being the one a option. 638 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 2: It is not yet, James Bond need to know time 639 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 2: this trade deadline today, it's been a pretty good trade deadline. 640 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 2: What's the best trade deadline? I think it might becoming 641 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 2: the NFL. It really is, because there's blockbusters happening more. 642 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: You know what, the Luca deal in the NBA. NBA 643 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: is still very good. 644 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 2: You know what does suck about about all the trade 645 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 2: deadlines and really all the trades that are made period 646 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 2: and all the sports, they're all something for a draft pick. 647 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 2: And in every sport but baseball, there's too many cap dumps. 648 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 2: Like I used to like when I was a kid, 649 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 2: you would have the player for player trade, you know 650 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 2: what I mean, Like I'm trying to like when the 651 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 2: Pirates traded Tony Pania, who was an All Star catcher 652 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 2: Cardinals like Lavalliere and I forget who the other guy was, 653 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 2: but they got players who were the basis of being 654 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 2: a really good team, those playoff teams. 655 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, player for player trades are so rare. You know, 656 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 3: the sport where like the big trade hasn't been happening 657 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 3: as much. And maybe I'm way off. Maybe I'm just 658 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 3: not paying attention to the sport that much. Telling on 659 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 3: myself is baseball. And that was kind of like the 660 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 3: cliche hot stove. If you just referenced that trade with 661 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 3: the Pirates and the Cardinals like that was when you know, 662 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 3: you'd think trade deadline, MLB trade deadline players are going 663 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 3: to be on the move. 664 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 1: I feel like that's died down slightly. 665 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 3: You don't see like the big big fish really move 666 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 3: that much at that deadline. But every other sport you 667 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 3: do Marshawn and hockey last year, Luca and basketball sauce 668 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 3: right now. 669 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 2: In football, yeah, but going back to when I was 670 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 2: a kid, which is way before, when you were a kid, 671 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 2: but when there was a reserve cause you know, and 672 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 2: you could become a free agent. When you made a 673 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 2: trade in baseball, you knew that guy was yours indefinitely, 674 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, you wanted them, so that 675 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 2: made the trades bigger and they wanted to do it, 676 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 2: and like you know there, I mean, there's no cap 677 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 2: in baseball now, but a lot of trades, like every 678 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 2: trade the Pirates make is made with financial consideration in mind. 679 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, no question. 680 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 3: But I think football your original question has really picked 681 00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 3: up as far as their trade deadline is concerned, because 682 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 3: there was a time I remember as a kid, like 683 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 3: trades in the NFL was were not a thing, Like 684 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 3: you didn't do it in the middle of the season. 685 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 3: It was very very rare offseason you'd see sometimes. But 686 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 3: that has just become such a difference now. I mean, 687 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 3: sauce Gardner I did not see coming. The Jets having 688 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 3: this huge fire sale, I didn't see coming. 689 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 2: The sauce Gardner deal is to my mind, almost comparable 690 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 2: to the Luca deal in the NBA. Yeah, I kind 691 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 2: of know what I'm gonna say. More so you know why. 692 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 2: It is a It is a big picture changing deal. 693 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 2: Like now, if you made me pick a team to 694 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 2: win the AFC, I'm not saying I'd pick Indianapolis. You 695 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 2: know what, Right now, I would pick Indianapolis even though 696 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 2: the Steelers just beat them. 697 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: That's a huge deal for them. 698 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, who would you pick ahead of them? 699 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 3: I still like the Chiefs. You're not gonna like me 700 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 3: on that, but I do like they're not in the 701 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 3: playoffs right now. I know they're not. 702 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: The Bills. Still give me a second place right now. 703 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: I know. I know it's tough. It's it's a weird, 704 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: weird year with teams that I just don't trust. 705 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 2: Yet, for some reason, Indianapolis saw an opening and they 706 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 2: took it. You know why, Tom, because they are serious people. 707 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 2: One O five nine the X. 708 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 1: One O five nine d X as your shot at eggs, 709 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: drie cash keep money like that a secret luchow. 710 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 5: I'm rich, rich rich, gim listen all day for your 711 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 5: chance has some extra cash on one oh five nine 712 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 5: The X. 713 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 1: It's the mark Man for game show on one oh 714 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: five nine d X. 715 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 2: Breaking news, Tom Well breaking news on top of news 716 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 2: we already knew. Adam Schechter of ESPN reports that the 717 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 2: Steelers did make a run to try to trade for 718 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 2: Jacoby Myers, the receiver from Vegas. But we're out bid 719 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 2: by Jacksonville. How did you get up bid by Jacksonville? 720 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 2: And like I said, that offer, I mean, I mean 721 00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 2: a fourth and a sixth that's I mean. 722 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: I don't think the Raiders got cheated. But if I'm the. 723 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 2: Steelers, like I said, I would have gone as high 724 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 2: as a third and a fifth. 725 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 3: I mean the way that Chefter worded that, outbid by 726 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 3: the Jags, So what you were offering a fifth round 727 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 3: pick and weren't willing to move off of that? 728 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: I mean, what does that even mean? I think you're 729 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: not bid by the Jags that too, but you think 730 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: it would be. 731 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 3: Like a second round pick came swooping in and it's like, 732 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 3: I'm not giving that for Myers a fourth and a 733 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 3: sixth that outbids you. 734 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 2: And here's another thing that that that deal reflects on Tom. 735 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: Do you think the Jags are better than the Steelers? No, 736 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: I don't. 737 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 3: I think the Steels are better than the Jags, but 738 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 3: they're roughly the same class. 739 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: I went for a reason. What do you think it's 740 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 1: a better chance the Super Bowl? 741 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 3: The Steelers do okay, But yet the Jags are more 742 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 3: aggressive the deal. 743 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 1: They're aggressive because they are serious. 744 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 2: Well I can't say that because we've had Tony kan 745 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 2: in studio, but they are serious people. 746 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 3: They're acting more serious than the Steelers are right now 747 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 3: as far as being aggressive at the trade deadline and 748 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 3: trying to get as much as they can out of 749 00:33:58,560 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 3: their offense. 750 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: And they're an offensive minded football team too. 751 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 3: Like that's that's clearly where their motivations are. They got 752 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 3: it Brian Thomas Junior as a receiver. They go out 753 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 3: and trade for this receiver. They're trying everything they can 754 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 3: to make sure that the money they gave Lawrence is 755 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:11,320 Speaker 3: actually wise. 756 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 1: You know, Tony Kahan, for those. 757 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 2: Who don't know, is the son of the owner of 758 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,760 Speaker 2: the Jaguars, and his family owns not only the Jags, 759 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,439 Speaker 2: but Fulham Football Club in England and AEW wrestling, which 760 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:22,840 Speaker 2: which Tony does the creative for. 761 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:24,839 Speaker 1: I think it's hilarious that Tony. 762 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 2: Is involved to some degree in the administration of all 763 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 2: three and his first priorities wrestling. 764 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 1: I don't know how it couldn't be the two other 765 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: sports one of those too. He's a fan. 766 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,919 Speaker 2: I guess it was all His dream wasn't to run 767 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,760 Speaker 2: Fulham or the Jags, it was the promotion. 768 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. 769 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 3: All right, well, he's living his dream. I guess I 770 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,320 Speaker 3: would love to run the Jazz and I respect that. 771 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 3: I just don't think he's you know, I think he 772 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 3: could use some help. That's a diplomatic way to put it. 773 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 3: What do we got for the trifecta? Tom? All right, Well, 774 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,279 Speaker 3: since it is the trade deadlinemark, I've got my three 775 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,840 Speaker 3: best trades ever. Number three for me is going to 776 00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,359 Speaker 3: be trading Jack Parkman to the White Sox to bring Tanaka. 777 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 2: In tremendous it's the best, which was which let's not 778 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 2: forget that was a salary dump. 779 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 3: It was a salary dump. But Tanaka very valuable, mark, 780 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 3: defensive prowess, good glove. I mean he's scaling the wall. 781 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 3: John runs. Yes, not those Jack Giants. Also a sneaky 782 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,280 Speaker 3: value for Tanaka. He got Serrano going little marble bags, 783 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,919 Speaker 3: remember right, But that was in Major League two, which 784 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,759 Speaker 3: was not good. But Tanaka saved that. Jack Parkman saved it, 785 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 3: or tried to save that movie. A Number two for 786 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,400 Speaker 3: me is the trading of a washing machine for ed monics. 787 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,360 Speaker 3: That's just the sign of a very aggressive owner. 788 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 2: I still think the introduction of monarchs to the Tropics 789 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 2: was one of the best scenes in that movie, which 790 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,359 Speaker 2: is Will Ferrell's best movie by far. 791 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 3: I hmm, it's tough to disagree with that, but there's 792 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 3: just so many that I love. I mean, the other 793 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 3: guys just flies to the top of the list. But 794 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 3: semi pro what a flawless picture. 795 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: He's an old warrior, yeah, he old. 796 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 3: But the number one trade off has to be Colonel 797 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 3: Hans Landa's escape and freedom and life as a war 798 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 3: hero in exchange for his cooperation in the assassination of 799 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 3: killing Hitler in the Nazi high command, thus ending the 800 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 3: war that night. 801 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,879 Speaker 1: That's just a damn good deal. Would you take that deal? 802 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 1: I'd take that deal. I don't blame you damn good deal. 803 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 1: So those are the three best trades ever. 804 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 2: In fact, I won all the members of Operation Kino 805 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 2: to receive the Medal of Honor. 806 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,000 Speaker 1: He like gives him, yeah the little X sly like 807 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 1: nun almost thumbs up. 808 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 3: And brad Pitt's just so mad when he does that 809 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:27,239 Speaker 3: best line in the movie. 810 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 1: To me, brad Pitt couldn't wait to carve the swastik 811 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 1: it his fork to. 812 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 3: Be hyperbolic, because there's so many lines that I'd say 813 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 3: the best line in the movie. But at the end 814 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 3: when he's like he'll be shot for this and he goes, nah, 815 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 3: more like chewed out. I've been chewed out before. Yeah, 816 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 3: he's right there, gonna he actually could have shot hands 817 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,760 Speaker 3: Londa and I don't I'm not even sure they wouldn't 818 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 3: have shot him for trees, right, Yeah, No, he would 819 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,320 Speaker 3: have been fine, just chewed out, like he said. 820 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,760 Speaker 2: But I think it was I think that that Aldo 821 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 2: got more satisfaction of carving the swastik at his head. 822 00:36:58,200 --> 00:36:59,360 Speaker 1: And that was his masterpiece. 823 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,440 Speaker 3: As he's to Yudovich to close the movie, that's the 824 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,880 Speaker 3: only time you actually see it too, and it's just 825 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:05,800 Speaker 3: so gruesome. 826 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:10,440 Speaker 2: Now you get the Broadways practice. Yeah, that that's just 827 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:11,799 Speaker 2: such a good But you know what would have been 828 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,239 Speaker 2: I would like to see maybe a short film on 829 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,319 Speaker 2: hands Lond his life on Nintucket Island years later. 830 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 3: Like having to go to the store, the corner market 831 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,360 Speaker 3: and have to like wear a hat really low and 832 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:25,839 Speaker 3: have it like blow off in the wind or something, 833 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 3: and then everybody sees this giant swastika on his forehead. 834 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 3: It'd be an interesting little like ten to fifteen minutes. 835 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,280 Speaker 2: Do you think there would have been any like plastic 836 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 2: surgical techniques back then that could have remedied. 837 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,160 Speaker 3: He would have tried, or honestly, do you try to 838 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 3: get a tattoo over top of it? 839 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:39,560 Speaker 1: You know what I mean, like just kind of take 840 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,440 Speaker 1: an into like a checkerboard, like a Rubik's cue, or 841 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 1: take a knife to yourself to fix it. 842 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was You're right, that's the only time you 843 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,839 Speaker 2: see all to carve the swasti gag and seeing him 844 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,880 Speaker 2: gripping the ground and ripping the turf. 845 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,799 Speaker 3: Up right, And they allude to it earlier right in 846 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,719 Speaker 3: the movie when they let the one prisoner go after 847 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,400 Speaker 3: I remember the bear jew hits them with the bat. 848 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 3: They let the one guy go to tell the story 849 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,399 Speaker 3: to Hitler and they kind of like show he takes 850 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 3: off the hat, remember, and they just show Hitler's face 851 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,239 Speaker 3: and they're like, they're like horrified on the swastika that 852 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:09,719 Speaker 3: was carved in. 853 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,839 Speaker 2: And by the way, you have to like Hitler as 854 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,359 Speaker 2: a semi comedic figure in any movie. Who are what 855 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,399 Speaker 2: is a private boots? Okay, we're gonna keep talking about 856 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 2: how the Steelers should have got Sauce Gardner and I'm 857 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 2: not kidding. 858 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 1: I'm right. 859 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,680 Speaker 2: The Steelers are wrong because they are not serious people. 860 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 2: One oh five nine the X. 861 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: Now it's your chance to win one thousand dollars just 862 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:38,800 Speaker 1: entered this nationwide keyword on our website. Bank that's bank 863 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:39,759 Speaker 1: that's right now.