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Speaker 1: Ken Kafan welcomes the Black Crows and Whiskey Myers to

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Speaker 1: Mystic Lake Ampatheater around July twenty eighth. Tickets go on

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Speaker 1: sale Friday, February sixth at ten am. Get the complete

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Speaker 1: details on all our upcoming shows on the concert page

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Speaker 1: at kfan dot com Cure calendar.

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Speaker 2: A couple thirteen to.

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Speaker 3: Fourteen pastime common He's tend to be the legendary Mark

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Speaker 3: Rosen in studio A as we like to call it here,

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Speaker 3: Paul Springs is.

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Speaker 4: Nice a time a year, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Uh, it is? You know, you have a good time. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean we made the best out of it. It

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Speaker 2: was really good. And there are a lot of folks

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Speaker 2: from this area. As you know, it's one of the

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Speaker 2: areas I think a lot of the residents of the

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Speaker 2: Twin Cities, et cetera, surrounding areas go to. And yeah,

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Speaker 2: I ran into some Minneapolis Saint Paul people there, and yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's a it's a very peaceful existence for a few days.

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Speaker 2: The best you can do. And I read a book

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Speaker 2: from cover to cover, which was my book I've already written. No,

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Speaker 2: I didn't read your book. I wrote the forward to

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Speaker 2: your book.

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Speaker 4: But did you read my book? Then? While you were

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Speaker 4: there that.

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Speaker 2: I read Jeremy Renner's book, which was really fascinating. The actor,

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Speaker 2: as you know from hurt Locker and Marvel movies and

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Speaker 2: January first of twenty twenty three of that one of

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Speaker 2: those big snow cats, you know that they cleared the

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Speaker 2: story was up in the mountains in Colorado, crushed him.

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Speaker 2: He should have been dead, and he kind of felt

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Speaker 2: like you did die. But it was about his accident

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Speaker 2: in great detail, very long recovery, and in painful, daintyel

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Speaker 2: but astonishingly motivating for me, amazing story. So I actually enjoyed.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's fun reading a book when you're on

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Speaker 2: vacation and for a short time. And yeah, I mean

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Speaker 2: I do. I love the Palm Springs area. I mean

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Speaker 2: it's the weather's sixty eight degrees.

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Speaker 4: Have you been to Sherman's.

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Speaker 2: Of course, I've been to Sherman's. I didn't go this time,

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Speaker 2: but I've been to Sherman's. I'd never been to Shermans before.

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Speaker 2: It was on a recommend it was on a recommendation.

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Speaker 3: It's very good, oh, it was. It was a recommendation

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Speaker 3: by your guy Chad yeah, of course, of course.

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Speaker 2: And you go.

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Speaker 3: There and there's a wait, and you look at the

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Speaker 3: place and it's got that hole in the wall kind

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Speaker 4: Right, I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 2: It's literally the best.

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Speaker 3: Postami sandwich I've ever had in my entire roommate. It

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Speaker 3: was as good as any sandwich I've ever had.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's very I mean, before the Carnegie Deli unfortunately

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Speaker 2: closed down in New York City. You know, like many

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Speaker 2: other tourists frequent in that place quite a bit. And

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Speaker 2: I agree with you, it's hard. I wish they could

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Speaker 2: duplicate that here. I mean, I think Cecils over in

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Speaker 2: Saint Paul is probably the closest tip of the cap

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Speaker 2: to those folks over there, because it's probably the best

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Speaker 2: delicatestant I think in the Twin City area. I may

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Speaker 2: throw in a little I haven't been there in a while,

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Speaker 2: but it's so good. But yeah, I agree, we just

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Speaker 2: didn't get there this time.

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Speaker 3: Bill's Pizza. Are you familiar with Bill's Pizza? I am

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Speaker 3: another recommendation from Hartman. There's two of them, one in

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Speaker 3: Palm Spring. As we went to one it was very

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Speaker 3: close to where we were. It might be the best

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Speaker 3: pizza Peaks I've ever had, And it was. It says

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Speaker 3: in the little story about it that Bill hence Bill's Pizza.

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Speaker 3: You know, when you think, didn't sound like usually when

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Speaker 3: you're thinking of Bill's Pizza just you know, you usually

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Speaker 3: think I some Italian name to go around in pizza, right,

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Speaker 3: But the story is Bill would import all of his

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Speaker 3: flower from Italy. Of course, me and the me and

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Speaker 3: the boys were always you know, final were like, come on,

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Speaker 3: all of you, you know, I mean, you could just

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Speaker 3: basically say why I'm borted this from Italy?

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Speaker 4: And you really didn't. But the crust was what made it.

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Speaker 3: And here's the tragic story, because I looked it up.

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Speaker 3: Bill died at like sixty three. He fell off the

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Speaker 3: roof of his pizza place that we were eating on.

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Speaker 4: Yes, apparently it didn't say how.

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Speaker 3: My assumption he was working on the roof for something, right,

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Speaker 3: probably doing his own work work in the air conditioning

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Speaker 2: But Bill's Pizza lives on.

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Speaker 4: And the pizza was really really good. Yeah, yeah, Now.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of I mean, I think if you

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Speaker 2: know the history, and I never thought about going there before,

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Speaker 2: and we've been there enough four years in a row

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Speaker 2: not just that the Palm Springs Museum, but the ones

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Speaker 2: in tribute to the old old Palm Springs. I mean

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Speaker 2: you think of you know, the Bob Hopes and the

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Speaker 2: who you know lived and worked, and you know, Palm

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Speaker 2: Springs became an oasis for them. A lot of the

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Speaker 2: movie stars. Uh I mentioned Bob Hope, you know that

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Speaker 2: left La decided I wanted to get a little more

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Speaker 2: peaceful quiet away from the craziness of and so Frank

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Speaker 2: Lloyd Wright designed a lot of homes there and it's

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Speaker 2: a it's a fun city to drive around Ian and

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Speaker 2: uh we always We've enjoyed it tremendously.

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Speaker 4: It's only taken about four minutes to rip Who me

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Speaker 4: what I do now?

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Speaker 3: Rose and Jeremy Renner's accident occurred near Lake Tahoe in

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Speaker 3: the Sierra Nevadam Mountain ranging out in Colorado. Oh okay, sorry,

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Speaker 3: you shouldn't really try to focus on the pertinent details.

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Speaker 4: The next time you read your book from cover to cover.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. It wasn't Lake Tao, Yes, and there

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Speaker 2: you go, but it was. It was a phenomenal book.

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Speaker 2: It really was.

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Speaker 4: Let me ask you a question, what do you think

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Speaker 4: of Sam Darnald?

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Speaker 2: Now I haven't changed my mind about him? Old Sam Donald.

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Speaker 4: Has an armed e I E I.

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Speaker 2: It was a super big game. Here is a big

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Speaker 2: game there. Yeah, that's a that's a hell of a

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Speaker 2: football team they have. And I was he looked and

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Speaker 2: I was one of the few.

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Speaker 4: That when they decided part wise, I said, what.

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Speaker 3: Are you doing when you have a franchise quarterback in

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Speaker 4: You do not let him go?

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Speaker 3: They said, you stick to radio real, stick to the

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Speaker 3: quarterback position in the Minnesota Vikings.

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Speaker 2: Well, we have recited this story a million times, and

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Speaker 2: Donald was looking for a long term contract and the

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Speaker 2: Vikings weren't willing to give him. And I, you know,

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Speaker 2: it can all you can. Hindsight's great. But I think

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Speaker 2: the one they were concentrating on that they really thought

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Speaker 2: they was not going to leave the building was Danny Jones,

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Speaker 2: Danny Dimes. They thought they had him locked up to be,

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Speaker 2: you know, the quarterback in waiting in case JJ wasn't

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Speaker 2: going to come through. And I think I've told, I've

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Speaker 2: said it, admitted a thousand times, the Viking's miscalculation about

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Speaker 2: the idea that JJ McCarthy, after not being able to

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Speaker 2: do anything as rookie season, was going to be a

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Speaker 2: come doormand out of the gates like Drake May and

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Speaker 2: perform at that high level. Now, if he doesn't do

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Speaker 2: that this year, well then a couple of guys may

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Speaker 2: be looking for jobs next year. But the dartl thing was,

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Speaker 2: it wasn't that they didn't want him, but the idea

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Speaker 2: they're gonna have to commit to a you know, a

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Speaker 2: long term contract.

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Speaker 3: That's not they against Detroit. And when we saw against

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Speaker 3: the ramsmon we don't trust him, I know, but no,

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Speaker 3: I know what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: Well, Detroit was not the ram de Troy didn't play well.

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Speaker 2: I understand that we all know that he didn't play well.

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Speaker 2: He looked like he was the moment was too big

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Speaker 2: for him. The Rams game, he got buried, uh, basically

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Speaker 2: by that defense. And and that shows you the difference

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Speaker 2: between Seattle's offensive line and the Vikings offensive line from

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Speaker 2: a year ago, A big difference Uh, Sam had a

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Speaker 2: lot more time to throw the football, and he's got

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Speaker 2: a you know, he's got a great team around who

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Speaker 2: good running attack. But they the Vikings were concentrating on

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Speaker 2: Danny Jones to come back, and it looked like they

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Speaker 2: had a deal. And then Danny's looking around at Indianapolis

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Speaker 2: and they got Anthony Richardson, who's as it turns out,

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Speaker 2: was damaged goods. And you know where am I going

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Speaker 2: to get a better chance to play and start right away?

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Speaker 2: Minnesota when they're going to basically saying, remember, we can

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Speaker 2: probably go with JJ or in Indy. So they went

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Speaker 2: that went that route.

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Speaker 3: It sounds like you're you're downplaying Sam's contributions to this club.

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Speaker 3: You're samways with a great team, a great offensive line.

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Speaker 3: He is he was not brilliant against the Rams. He

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Speaker 3: was an NFC Championship very good brilliant.

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Speaker 5: Well yeah, well he he He had a quarterback rating

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Speaker 5: him like one twenty nine, one twenty seven, didn't throw

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Speaker 5: any picks, threw three touchdowns him.

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Speaker 2: I'm not denying that. I just hope he wins. I

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Speaker 2: hope he wins a big game, you know, I hope

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Speaker 2: he does. I mean, I think he will. I don't

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Speaker 2: think New England can can compete with Seattle right now.

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Speaker 2: I think Seattle's and that was still very you know

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Speaker 2: that the Rams game was Seale was very entertaining, and

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Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford had one chance maybe to pull that game

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Speaker 2: out when they got down the five yard line I'm

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Speaker 2: talking about I think the drive before what turned out

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Speaker 2: to be you know, you know, they had like thirty

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Speaker 2: misfired on third and fourth down, and they couldn't capitalize

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Speaker 2: and may potentially win that football game at the last minute.

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Speaker 2: Highly entertaining game, and Darnold was terrific. He was I'm

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Speaker 2: entertaining away from him. That's why he had that kind

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Speaker 2: of a year for the Vikings last year. I wish

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Speaker 2: they would have been able to keep him, but they

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Speaker 2: were going to go with Danny Jones instead because of

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Speaker 2: the contract situation. So good luck to Sam. He deserves it.

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Speaker 2: I love the way that anytime someone asked him about well,

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Speaker 2: you know they doubted you. You know that you always

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Speaker 2: used that line, and every time he's asked that, he

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Speaker 2: just shrugs his shoulders and shakes his head and goes

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Speaker 2: you know whatever. I don't. I don't care. I'm I

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Speaker 2: moved on with my life and I'm yes, I'm going

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Speaker 2: to the big game. So I don't. I don't care

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Speaker 2: what other people think about me or what they It's

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Speaker 2: the late Denny Green, ones said. If you're looking for

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Speaker 2: Denny Green in Los Angeles, New York.

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Speaker 4: Look on the high road. That's what Sam Darnold who

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Speaker 4: took her high road.

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Speaker 3: This will be the last thing on the Vikings quarterback situation.

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Speaker 3: But Tennebe pointed this this was Alec Lewis of The

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Speaker 2: What that you talk about a story? If something, If

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Speaker 3: That would mean the guy we had that we wanted,

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Speaker 3: have to make a move they need. You know, it'd

436
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:31,920
Speaker 3: be great if they could get a young point guard.

437
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,359
Speaker 3: That ain't gonna happen, I don't think. Or they'd let

438
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 3: you get some you know, some scoring off the bench,

439
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 3: somebody to give him a lift. But I you know,

440
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 3: I I've said this so many times, I just don't

441
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 3: know what to think of the club because it's that

442
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 3: that's that they have so many ups and downs and

443
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 3: you know, and again I saw an ant interview and

444
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 3: it was kind of like, have well, I don't know,

445
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 3: I can't really explain why we don't have the effort sometimes,

446
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 3: you know, and they do, you know, and I am.

447
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 3: They're probably tired of talking about it, but you know,

448
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 3: they I think they're still locked in the sixth spot

449
00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 3: right now, and I think it's so. But it goes

450
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 3: back and forth from day to day even because it's

451
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:06,160
Speaker 3: all just like it's just logjam. But yeah, I don't

452
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,400
Speaker 3: know if I'm assuming they'll make a move. But then again,

453
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 3: I don't know, because I think I was reading we

454
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 3: talked about it yesterday. There's a CBS Sports story about

455
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 3: looking at every NBA team of the contenders and what

456
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,199
Speaker 3: do they think they would do, And they said, well,

457
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,920
Speaker 3: the Wolves would like to get a point guardess or

458
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 3: a scoring off the bench, But you also have salary,

459
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 3: you know, the first Apron, the second d Apron, and

460
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,119
Speaker 3: the Wolves really don't have a ton of money to

461
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 3: play with either.

462
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it's I do believe they'll make

463
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 2: a move. I mean, I think they'll make every effort

464
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 2: to make a move. I don't think that doesn't necessarily

465
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 2: have to be Uh. You know that we've heard Kobe

466
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 2: White's name over and over and over again from the Bulls.

467
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 6: You know.

468
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,119
Speaker 2: Simmons, Uh, Terrence Simmons been. He's been out for weeks

469
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 2: and weeks and weeks, and I noticed tonight they're playing

470
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,879
Speaker 2: in Dallas. He's still on the injury list. Aunt was

471
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 2: listed as you know, questionable. He's going to play night

472
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,640
Speaker 2: with right ankle maintenance. You know, we've had an infected

473
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 2: toe or something. But now they get themselves another back

474
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 2: to back situation where tonight they're playing Dallas US on

475
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 2: the road, and they come right back tomorrow night and

476
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 2: play Okay, see here, Uh well, you know they always

477
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 2: get up for that game. It feels like and I'm

478
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 2: a I'm not there's no excusing any of it, but

479
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 2: it just feels like it's we're kind of in the

480
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 2: dog days of the regular season here and and certain

481
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 2: teams go through the motions at times. I have a

482
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 2: hard time. And there's a lot of a lot of

483
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 2: discussion today about Giannis and what you know he's he's

484
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 2: open to making a trade, and.

485
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,439
Speaker 4: He'd look good in the Timberwolves uniform.

486
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:34,119
Speaker 2: I heard uh, Trent Tucker and Sinnicon talking about it

487
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 2: this morning and Double te and you know, and Cyndicon

488
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 2: I think was speculating what would the Wolves have to

489
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 2: give up, you know, Jade McDaniels, Julius Randall, Rob Dillingham,

490
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 2: whatever they would be. I went, I don't know if

491
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 2: that would be enough to get Jannis on this team. Yeah,

492
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 2: I'd go for that in a minute and a heartbeat.

493
00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 2: I would make that trade. But I don't I don't think.

494
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 2: I mean, Minnesota is one of those teams that's mentioned.

495
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 2: He's already in the Midwest. Yeah, come on over the

496
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 2: Water's fine, But I don't I mean that's that would

497
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 2: be shocking. I mean, that would be as shocking as

498
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 2: any move the Wolves have ever made if he were

499
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 2: to come here. So, I mean, I think, you know

500
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 2: the fact he's open to a trade, and you know,

501
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 2: Minnesota is still an attractive team to be a part

502
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 2: of with Aunt. Anything's as KG said, anything's possible, But

503
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily think that's going to be the one.

504
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 2: I mean, I saw Butler's they mentioned at Golden statement,

505
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 2: Well he's going to be out for another year? Is

506
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 2: and he now? I mean, and it's not getting easier

507
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 2: at his age to come back from a very serious

508
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 2: knee injury. And at what what kind of Jimmy Butler

509
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 2: are you getting at this point where he's been so

510
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 2: effective for so many years. I'm not quite sure why

511
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 2: he's mentioned in the trade blocks.

512
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 3: So Lebron James Lakers, they're playing at Cleveland?

513
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 4: Has he announced this as his last year?

514
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 3: We're just assuming it is because the reason I asked is,

515
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 3: you know, on the television screen here on the fifty

516
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 3: five inch Tshiba REGs there, you know, we talked about

517
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 3: you know, two o'clock for an hour there's always NBA

518
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 3: today right at ESPN, and it was like the crawl

519
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,959
Speaker 3: on the butt or you know, the what do they

520
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 3: call that where they had you know what the topic

521
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 3: that they're having was put up there on the stain

522
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 3: of says, how.

523
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,479
Speaker 4: Should Cleveland handle Lebron's appearance? What do you mean how

524
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 4: should they handle it? What do they mean by that's?

525
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 3: Like I mean, if they believe this will be his

526
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 3: last time there? I guess you say. And for the

527
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 3: LA Lakers number twenty three helped bring us two or

528
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 3: three world champions.

529
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 4: To put it in your hands together for Lebron James.

530
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 4: But it's supposed to stop the game, give him a rocking.

531
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 3: Chair, a big video. I mean, don't we have enough

532
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 3: of the idolization and pedestalization. Hasn't he and all the

533
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 3: other great ones? They he knows what he's done. Everybody

534
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 3: there knows what he's done. But I guess that's just

535
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 3: part of sports. Is you want to you want to

536
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 3: one more time give a guy the accolades that he

537
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 3: probably said will, But I just like it.

538
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 2: I don't understand, well, considering that the Lakers play, you know,

539
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 2: in Cleveland like once a year now, I mean, because

540
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 2: they're playing in an Eastern Conference team, I have been

541
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 2: unaware if indeed he's announced it officially or a there's

542
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 2: been tributes to him on some of these East Coast

543
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,479
Speaker 2: trips because the Lakers only play there one time. I

544
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 2: haven't seen it. If I've seen it, if it's happened,

545
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 2: I haven't paid attention to it, or it hasn't haven't

546
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 2: crossed my mind. I got to believe it's it. I mean,

547
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 2: I can't imagine but it's Lebron. His ego is insatiable too,

548
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 2: that he wants to continue to play and prove that

549
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 2: he's going to set records that will never be broken.

550
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 2: And so I think, you know, there are nights he

551
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 2: can still dominate games and that which is astonishing at

552
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 2: his age and what his capabilities are. But the the

553
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 2: Lakers don't look like serious contenders in the West. I

554
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 2: think they're just not. They don't have all the right

555
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 2: stuff what it's going to take to certainly.

556
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 3: No and with you know, with with Butler out and

557
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 3: you know, an aging Steph Curry's still playing pretty well.

558
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 3: But I don't think Golden State's no factor anymore either.

559
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 3: So you know, we've talked about this a lot. I mean,

560
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 3: if you're in the top six, you got your chip

561
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 3: in your chair and a chance, barring a significant injury

562
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 3: to like Aunt or Randall or or just a collapse.

563
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 3: They're making postseason places. Where are you going to be

564
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 3: in the pecking order? Are you going to be the

565
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 3: third seed, fifth, sixth, can you get to two? Whatever

566
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 3: the case may be. What they have shown they did

567
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 3: it last year they were a six seed and got

568
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 3: to the Western Conference finals. So better to have the

569
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 3: higher seed, but it's not absolutely necessary in order to

570
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 3: get to the finals.

571
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 2: No, honestly, right now unless the Wolves make up, you know,

572
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 2: and we just said it's kind of the dog days

573
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 2: right now. They've been in more of a slump than

574
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 2: anything else. They're play in Dallas tonight. Dallas is out

575
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 2: of playoff consideration at the moment. They're nineteen and twenty seven.

576
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 2: The Wolves are in seventh spot, but they're kind of

577
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 2: they're tied with Phoenix. Well, actually they're tied with Phoenix

578
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 2: for sixth. The Lakers are still a game ahead of them,

579
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 2: The Houston's a game and a half ahead of them

580
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 2: at four, and I think four realistically, I think Dever's

581
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 2: going to get better. We get a joker back and

582
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 2: and uh, that's a really good team in San Antonio.

583
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 2: Is you know the Wolves are really to a twenty

584
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 2: a half games back of second spot. So yeah, I

585
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: mean there's a lot of games you predicted.

586
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 4: They were going to get into finish number two. And

587
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 4: do you still think that's possible?

588
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 2: Well, it certainly as possible. Absolutely. I mean I just

589
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 2: mentioned they're only five games backup second, But I haven't

590
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 2: seen enough from this team to believe that they're they're

591
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 2: consistent enough to go on that kind of a run

592
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 2: when they're not taking some of these games with the

593
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 2: seriousness that all very other few other teams are doing.

594
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 2: And Oka see has continued even though they went to

595
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 2: a mini slump for them. They're thirty eight and ten.

596
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 2: Their defense is elite. They got you know, they got depth,

597
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 2: they got all all the right stuff, and they look

598
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 2: like they're still hungry to win a national their NBA championship.

599
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, I think the Wolves should be

600
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 2: in the conversation. They're they're battle tested when it comes

601
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 2: to the postseason, so they'll be in the mix. And

602
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 2: that's we'll see what happens after that, because I don't

603
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 2: know right now with this team. So I think they

604
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 2: have to make a move. I don't think they're good

605
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 2: enough right now, this version of them two uh to

606
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 2: make a significant runner, maybe even get back to the

607
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 2: Western Conference finals. I think they need to do something

608
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 2: to shake that, shake that team up a little bit.

609
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 4: Your wild club, what a rally last night.

610
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 3: Down three goals, We thought the two goal leader was

611
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 3: the most dangerous lead. The three they win, they come

612
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 3: from behind, and much like the Wolves.

613
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 4: You look at the Wild.

614
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 3: And say it would have to be a complete implosion

615
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 3: for them not to make postseason plays, just.

616
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 4: Kind of play it out more than likely, or playing.

617
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 2: Dallas right well, right now though, yeah, the Wild they're

618
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 2: one point ahead of Dallas. They got seventy points, but

619
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 2: they've you know, and maybe Tenet can answer this and

620
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 2: Dallas has got sixty nine. What it's interesting to me

621
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 2: if you look at the standings and Colorado's having an

622
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 2: epic regular season right now with a thirty five and

623
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 2: six record with nine you know, overtime whatever, they've only

624
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 2: played fifty games a while, they played fifty four. What

625
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 2: did they get some rained out rainouts or something or

626
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 2: why are they only.

627
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: I think that's I just seem to happen every year.

628
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, you're probably your average team right

629
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: now has played fifty two games, and so Colorado's just

630
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: a couple of games below the average, and the Wild

631
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: there are a couple of games above the average.

632
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 2: That's so as simple as that. When when do they

633
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 2: what are they shut down for the Olympics next? Obviously

634
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 2: it's gonna be the.

635
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: Next the exact dape but in our opening ceremonies, like

636
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: February sixth.

637
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're getting close. Yeah a week. Yeah, the Super

638
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 2: Bowls that Sunday, so I think, yeah, the opening ceremonies

639
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 2: are the six So I'm thinking we're gonna you know,

640
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 2: a week. I have looked at the schedule, but it's

641
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 2: got to be ash. I guess less than a week away,

642
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 2: a week away from shutting her down or the Olympics.

643
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: Looks like February fourth is our last game against Nashville

644
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: and then we don't play againstil February twenty sixth.

645
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 2: Wow, okay, well, chive all all bodies healthy by then

646
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 2: again fourth through the twenty sixth.

647
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 3: There you go, Bill Belichick. We're being told is not

648
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 3: going to make the Hall of Fame as a first

649
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 3: ballot Hall of Famer. Mark Craig, a writer extraordinary for

650
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Speaker 3: Fisherrap Factory West Side, who is a selector because Tennembe

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Speaker 3: and I were trying to expect it us how we

652
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Speaker 3: couldn't get there, and you know, we both thought maybe

653
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Speaker 3: he just rubbed people the wrong way, you know, and

654
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 3: didn't get in up to the charity candles. But Craig

655
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Speaker 3: goes into it and I can't read the whole thing

656
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Speaker 3: It's worth a read, though, but it talks about He

657
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 3: starts up by saying ESPN dot Com says Bill Belichick

658
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Speaker 3: has not made the Pro Football Hall of Fame in

659
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Speaker 3: his first year of eligibility. I can either confirm her

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Speaker 3: to either report.

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Speaker 4: And I was there.

662
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Speaker 3: I was in the January thirteen virtuals election medium that

663
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Speaker 3: took eight hours and fifteen minutes. We fifty selectors weren't

664
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Speaker 3: given the results of our final votes. But it's clearly

665
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Speaker 3: anonymously source information came from Belichick after the hall call

666
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 3: to reject him, rather than knock on his door to

667
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 3: film his acceptance, so we can assume ESPN got it right.

668
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 3: He says, I voted for Belichick. I spoke up on

669
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 3: his behalf. Why. Then he talks about why. He goes

670
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 3: on to say to reach the Hall of Finals needs

671
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 3: eighty percent of the votes at forty so at least

672
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 3: eleven selectors didn't vote for Belichick. He says they can

673
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 3: explain their decisions if they choose. Then he goes into

674
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Speaker 3: this long the way the voting selection has sort of changed.

675
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 3: It used to be very It used to be very simple,

676
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 3: you know, where it was just a yes or no,

677
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 3: up or down, but now you have different categories.

678
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 4: And then I think he explains in there.

679
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 3: Well, if this guy can get in on this category,

680
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 3: should I wait and get him in there? And it's

681
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 3: like it does, say, obviously, spy gate, the flate gate

682
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 3: cheating scandals at Belichick and the Patriots were found guilty

683
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 3: of were discussed. No state secrets revealed there, right, He

684
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 3: says selectors were not allowed to give details of what

685
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 3: was said in the meeting.

686
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 4: I can say that that of the.

687
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 3: Twenty people presented, the longest discussion, forty five minutes and

688
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 3: fifty two seconds was on Belichick. Thirty five minutes fifty

689
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 3: seven seconds was on Eli Manney.

690
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 4: But so it's worth the read if you've.

691
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 3: Got the time, just how the procedure works and how

692
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 3: you go and so it gets it gets a bit complicated,

693
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 3: but I guess at the end of the day, it

694
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 3: is more complicated than it.

695
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 4: Used to be.

696
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, and I'm wondering, and it's just a

697
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 2: you know, one of those rhetorical type questions is the

698
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 2: scandal because you know, as record speaks for itself, I mean,

699
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 2: second in career wins only to Don Shula terms of

700
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Speaker 2: all time coaching wins, and you know he was a

701
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 2: great defensive coach. But is his sign stealing scandal the

702
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 2: spygate thing in the flight gate is that the equivalent

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Speaker 2: of the steroid era? I mean, is that the coach's

704
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 2: equivalent of of, well he took steroids. I can't you're

705
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 2: not going to go in the Hall of Fame. I'm

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Speaker 2: not going to vote for you, you know, because there's

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Speaker 2: no way in the world and anybody who's who's worth

708
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 2: their salt in Football Writers Association could look at Bill

709
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Speaker 2: Belichick and say that's not a Hall of Fame career.

710
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 2: So there's got to be I don't know what else

711
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 2: other factor. He was grumpy to a lot of the writers.

712
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 2: But you could throw a lot of Hall of Fame

713
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 2: baseball players, so that category starting with Steve Carlton and

714
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of others. So I I you know,

715
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 2: you can't look at his record, well that's not a

716
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Speaker 2: he's not capable of being in the Hall of Of course,

717
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 2: he's a Hall of Famer. So I don't know what else.

718
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 2: Tom Brady said, it comes down to the votes and popularity.

719
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Speaker 2: Then welcome to the world of voting. You may as

720
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 2: well try out for the Oscars to get a big

721
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 2: panel to tell you you're good or not. It's the

722
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 2: way that works. Unfortunately, he's going to get in the

723
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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame in the end. I'm not worried about that.

724
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Speaker 4: I guess i'm'll go a little deeper. Here's here's what.

725
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 3: Craig Wright says, also discussing table for a later day

726
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 3: with Hall of Fame. The current voting procedure that require

727
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,959
Speaker 3: selectors to use three votes on a group of five

728
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 3: people from three categories, one coach and one coach in

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Speaker 3: this case ballot check, one contributor Patriots own a Robert

730
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Speaker 3: Craft and three senior players else Greenwood, Ken Anderson, and

731
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Speaker 3: Roger Craig. Last year, only one person from the senior's

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Speaker 3: coach contributor group of five senior players, Sterling Sharp, received

733
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Speaker 3: the eighty percent voter spread their collected one hundred and

734
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Speaker 3: fifty votes in many directions, causing four finalists to fall

735
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 3: short of forty. Under the old voting procedure, the coach,

736
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Speaker 3: contributor and seniors were decided separately, with yes or no

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Speaker 3: votes on each individual.

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Speaker 4: That final year it was done that way, three.

739
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Speaker 3: Individuals got in, while a coach and a senior player

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00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 3: fell short of forty votes, so changes in how they

741
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 3: vote to It's sort of like if you remember in

742
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 3: the Major League Baseball where after like how many years

743
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 3: of eligibility you have to get a certain percentage of

744
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 3: the votes to being in the middle of the ballot

745
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 3: for next year. Well, then what happens is you'll hear

746
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Speaker 3: the last certain people who you vote, and not all

747
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 3: of them speak up and talk, but many will, and

748
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Speaker 3: they'll say, well, I really thought Edward Julian was if

749
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 3: I didn't give him a vote, he was going to

750
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 3: be off the ballot, right, And I think he's deserving,

751
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 3: deserving him a further look. And I know Joe Demagio

752
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 3: is getting in, so I'm not going to vote for

753
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Speaker 3: Joe Demago.

754
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Speaker 4: I'm going to vote for Edward Julian.

755
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Speaker 3: Well, okay, so then Joe doesn't get unanimous and people

756
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Speaker 3: will go, why couldn't he be unanimous?

757
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,280
Speaker 4: Well, it's because some guys trying to protect Edward Julian.

758
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Speaker 3: And so it's like there's a lot of different reasons

759
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Speaker 3: for people wanting to vote for who they vote for,

760
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Speaker 3: why they vote for. It just looks to me if

761
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 3: a guy like Belichick if I'm a voter, I'm like, well,

762
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 3: how can I not, Like Tennbee said, two big games

763
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 3: as a coordinator, six as a.

764
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Speaker 4: Coach, How are you not? How are you not in

765
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 4: first ballot unanimous?

766
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 2: It can't be. You can't vote based on personality and

767
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 2: whatever interactions you had with him. I know that human

768
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 2: nature's human nature. But I went, well, he never he

769
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 2: never gave me an interview or a game. He gave

770
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 2: me one word answers to my question. And so what,

771
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 2: Like I said, there's there's a whole wing of baseball

772
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 2: players in the Hall of in Cooperstown who never ever

773
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 2: cooperated much with the media. And that's not the crime.

774
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 2: That's not one of the criterias. You shouldn't be No,

775
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 2: But I mean, I think I think that the so

776
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 2: called cheating scandals, that's just my assumption.

777
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 4: I know, regarding the cheating scandals.

778
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: If you're going to go down that road, then is

779
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 1: Tom Brady not going to be a first ballot Hall

780
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: of Famer because he was doing he was deflating footballs

781
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: and he was part of the team the one spy

782
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 1: getting and Jimmy Johnson, former Cowboys coach. He's very vocal

783
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 1: today and I thought there was any saying the most Well,

784
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things he said, but the most

785
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: interesting one I thought was regarding the spygate one. On

786
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 1: the notion that voters passed over Belichick's punishment for cheating,

787
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson said, quote, if they're using the excuse of spygate,

788
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: that's ridiculous. Many teams, including ourselves, tried it. Howard mud

789
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: at Kansas City, who later coached for Bill Pollion and

790
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: Tony Dungee gave us the idea he was the best.

791
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: We didn't get anything and stopped, but many teams gave

792
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:02,959
Speaker 1: it a try.

793
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 2: Don't doubt it. Yeah, yep, No, it's kind of embarrassing.

794
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 2: I want to say it's kind of embarrassing, but we

795
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 2: don't know. We'll never know. The names. Probably this they

796
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 2: disclosed themselves. I didn't vote for Bill Belichick because so

797
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 2: and so you don't have you don't have to disclose it.

798
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 2: But when you think of his his coaching career, it

799
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 2: would be an automatic almost so it's unanimous to be

800
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 2: in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

801
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 3: Well, then you know my opinion on the whole thing.

802
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 3: It's just it's just an exercise. And silly we yeah,

803
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 3: you were a really good coaching. We really need to

804
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 3: take them to that, you know, because the only thing

805
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 3: I guess that.

806
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 4: Could be you could add it.

807
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 3: You know, if you make the Hall of Fame, the

808
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 3: only thing is the twelve foot statue in from the stadium.

809
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 3: And then after that, what's the next step? And how

810
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 3: then you got ring of Honor?

811
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 4: You have this and that.

812
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 3: After a while it's like enough is enough? We know

813
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 3: you were really good at what you did. Why do

814
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 3: we feel a need to our our our sports heroes

815
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 3: are really successful that we need to continue?

816
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 4: You do you know? Are they ever going to make

817
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 4: a statue of you for w C C O TV?

818
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 2: Do you think? Because they have like busts? And then

819
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 2: I've said, Dave Moore want what is that? The only

820
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 2: one that's the only one I'm aware of? It's still

821
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 2: inside the stage.

822
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 4: Should there be one for you and Bud Crayley? I

823
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 4: think there should be?

824
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 2: No. No, I won't rest until until until there is

825
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 2: a bust of base and Bud Cragley inside. Whell you

826
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 2: know what happened Belichick too? Next year he'll get voted

827
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Speaker 2: in and then he'll uh, he'll go to camp for

828
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 2: his acceptance speech, and you'll get up to the microphone

829
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 2: and he'll go thank you. Then I'll just walk uh

830
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,399
Speaker 2: you see, he'll be so pissed from the year before. Yeah,

831
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 2: he'll give a two word acceptance speech and then that

832
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 2: would be so classic.

833
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: Girlfriend will pull them off stage too, She'll find her

834
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: way into it.

835
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Speaker 4: I saw I saw.

836
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 3: Another just a headline that both Brady and Craft are

837
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 3: just beside themselves.

838
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 2: What's this all about? You know? And of course I

839
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 2: got to stick up for him well and Craft they

840
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 2: didn't know, you know, I'm any owner and coach. You know,

841
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 2: at the end, it's it gets a little fractured, and

842
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 2: they didn't always see eye to eye. But that doesn't

843
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 2: mean that Robert Craft doesn't believe that. He has said

844
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 2: very publicly that it's uh, you know, they'll sort you know,

845
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 2: the forty out of fifty votes needed. Nobody understands it. Well.

846
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 2: I don't know what else it could be. Ask those

847
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 2: guys had voted on it.

848
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 3: If Hall of Fame voting dependent on personality, Rosen would

849
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 3: not be in the Hall.

850
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 4: Now that's a cheap shot.

851
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 3: You have a terrific personality. You are somebody I always.

852
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 2: Try to emulate. Thank you?

853
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 3: Was that I was to learn one della guy? Just

854
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,399
Speaker 3: another cheap Yet why do they want to pick on you?

855
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe because they've listened to the show before.

856
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 2: That's all I can think about. Oh no, that hurts

857
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 2: my that's always feel week.

858
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 3: So anyway, uh yeah, oh my gosh.

859
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 4: Oh I was fast.

860
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 3: We got in. We got out that again tomorrow? Do

861
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 3: spread swing tomorrow? No, no, because we've got a week here.

862
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 3: We got to buye week and then it we'll we'll

863
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 3: do it next Toys Day.

864
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 4: We'll break down the game. All plenty of time to do.

865
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 4: There's plenty to get to you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Paula Springs, Tenna be thanks for having that

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Speaker 3: great job you as well. We enjoyed our visit.

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Speaker 4: We're back again tomorrow at twelve noon.

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Speaker 3: But stick around Big Ticket and Brett Lake Moore they

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