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Speaker 1: Fifty six eleven in the Queen City of Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: Chicklod Wig, seven hundred WLW. This is Sports Talk. Russ

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Speaker 2: Jackson is tonight's producer. Like the raspberries were going all

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Speaker 2: the way to nine o'clock.

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Speaker 1: One point seven six billion dollars a record.

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Speaker 2: That's how much money is expected to be legally wagered

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Speaker 2: on Super Bowl sixty by sixty eight million American adults.

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Speaker 2: Kickoff is six point thirty Sunday between the Seattle Seahawks

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Speaker 2: and the New England Patriots, with Seattle a four and

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Speaker 2: a half point favorite, and you can hear the game

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Speaker 2: right here on seven hundred WLW. Joining us to talk

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Speaker 2: about this wagering frenzy is my good friend, doctor Mark Cormier,

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Speaker 2: Associate Professor in the Department of Kinesiology and Health Promotion

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Speaker 2: at the University of Kentucky, specializing in psychology and sociology

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Speaker 2: of sport. Welcome Mark, how's everything in the Bluegrass?

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Speaker 3: Hey, Chick, it's great to chat with you again. Things

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Speaker 3: are great, little chili still, but we're making our way

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Speaker 1: Oh, fantastic, Mark.

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Speaker 2: And you see the staggering number one point seven six

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Speaker 2: billion dollars and that's just legal, legally waged. There's going

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Speaker 2: to be a lot more than that. Sixty eight million

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Speaker 2: American adults and legal wagering in thirty eight states, And Mark,

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Speaker 2: that nonumber is just crazy And what do you think

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Speaker 2: is the psychology behind it? And what does this say

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think it's got a lot of layers,

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Speaker 3: doesn't it. And I mean I saw that published recently

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Speaker 3: and it's just an insane number. But to me, the

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Speaker 3: number isn't just about the money, even though we're tempted

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Speaker 3: to think it is. I really it really just shows

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Speaker 3: how much we crave emotional engagement and maybe a connection

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: So, yeah, you know, for many, betting can amplify the

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Speaker 3: emotional experience of sport. I mean, the uncertainty of the

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Speaker 3: anticipation that what if all of it activates.

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Speaker 5: Our brains reward system.

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Speaker 3: I mean, even a small wager can make a game

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Speaker 3: feel more personal or intense. You're not just watching anymore,

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Speaker 3: You've got a skin in the game. I mean, talk

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Speaker 3: to anyone who's ever made a March Madness bracket, right,

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Speaker 3: I mean, all of a sudden, they're invested in a

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Speaker 3: game between two teams they've never watched or known anything about.

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Speaker 3: And to many that increases the viewing experience and maybe

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Speaker 3: even the connectivity to something.

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Speaker 5: That wouldn't normally elicit that.

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Speaker 3: And you know that's another piece of it too. We

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Speaker 3: like to think that we're involved in something bigger when

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Speaker 3: we're making bets. We want to enhance our connection to

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Speaker 3: office pools and playing in fantasy leagues and even making

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Speaker 3: friendly wagers. It enhances the connection between those involved. It

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Speaker 3: gives people something to talk about. Ultimately, what it says

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Speaker 3: about our society I think is that we increasingly want

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Speaker 3: sport to do more for us emotionally. And maybe maybe

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Speaker 3: that's the problem. I mean, we're no longer satisfied by

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Speaker 3: further engagement, more agency, and more stimulation. And it sounds

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Speaker 1: Wow. Wow.

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Speaker 2: Now, in doorphins, or chemicals that your body releases when

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Speaker 2: it feels pain or stress, they are supposed to be

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Speaker 2: or these kind of folks that you are talking about here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you actually answered part of the question

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Speaker 5: Because you're right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they're released when we feel stress and during

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Speaker 5: Of the sport, we'll see spikes throughout.

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Speaker 3: A game, during big plays, close calls, final moments, things

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Speaker 5: So a third.

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Speaker 3: Down and long went from being inconsequential to your viewing

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Speaker 3: So if endorphins help us feel locked in, like we

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Speaker 2: Doctor Mark Cormier is with US Associate professor at the

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Speaker 2: University of Kentucky and Mark the NFL a multi billion

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Speaker 2: In your opinion, has the NFL sees the mantle as

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Speaker 2: America's favorite pastime, stealing it from Major League Baseball?

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Speaker 3: I could see this becoming a really fun debate if

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Speaker 3: I think I think the NFL seems to have mastered

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Speaker 3: Seventeen games, one each week. It makes every game feel

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Speaker 3: you know, football has also become about far more than

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Speaker 3: even emphasizes that the pregame experience as much as football does.

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Speaker 3: And if listeners aren't sure what I mean, like, attend

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Speaker 3: But you know, that doesn't happen in any other sport

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Speaker 3: Slower, it's more reflective, it's less about the peak emotional

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Speaker 3: this way. I'd say baseball is still America's nostalgic pastime,

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Speaker 3: but the NFL is America's emotional event when it comes

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Speaker 3: the NFL just aligns better with how modern audiences consume sport.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is some great stuff here, Mark and Gosh.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Cormier is a native of Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada,

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Speaker 2: who received this PhD in Sport and Exercise Psychology from

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Speaker 2: West Virginia University in twenty fourteen. And Mark is a

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Speaker 2: Psychology Registry. How closely are you tuned in and to

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Speaker 2: to win her Olympics and paying attention to both the

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Speaker 3: Oh look, I mean there's no such thing as a

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Speaker 3: In fact, just this morning we sat down and watched

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Speaker 3: I mean, as you can imagine as a Canadian, international

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Speaker 3: I am heavily invested and just love a competitive tournament.

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Speaker 3: contests in international team sports. I'll probably get some soccer

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's just great, no complaints, fantastic. Kashi is

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Speaker 2: He loves his Tim Morton's coffee and he loves his

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Speaker 2: outdoor sports, especially hockey. This is great, great, Mark Cormier.

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Speaker 2: Now here's a final loaded question for you. The Kentucky

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Speaker 2: What does basketball mean to the great state of Kentucky,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'll be there too, So you know, it's

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Speaker 3: that's hard to grasp if you haven't lived it. And

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Speaker 5: It's the highest stage, it's the biggest.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Mark Cormier, this has been absolutely spectacular. Can't thank

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Speaker 5: Mark. All right on conversation, Chick.

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Speaker 1: Fantastic, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: And coming up after the bottom of the hour news,

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Speaker 2: A certain magic lingers in the very name it speaks

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Speaker 1: G how are we doing tonight?

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Speaker 7: Check out doing wonderful? Thank you sir. Now you know

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Speaker 7: I have to tell you two professors in a row. Boy,

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Speaker 7: we're getting very cerebral about sports this evening, aren't we.

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Speaker 2: Could you give us just a little bit of background

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Speaker 7: Thank you. I started my coaching career in the late nineties.

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Speaker 2: Jack, if you could describe Vince Lombardi to the person

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Speaker 7: Arguably the greatest leader of an organization that you could

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Speaker 4: But what coach Lombardi was.

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Speaker 7: Born with is this tremendous gift of teaching. He was

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Speaker 7: interesting story when coach Lombardi became a teacher and a

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Speaker 7: That's exactly right, and chackfe go back, Let's go back

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Speaker 7: to West Point, and probably the most influential person in

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Speaker 2: And Jack, how did all the memorabilia start? When did

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Speaker 2: Just tell us about a few more things that, man,

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Speaker 2: that mean a lot to you in that collection. I

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Speaker 2: mean there's photos, there's wow. The artifacttion that's incredible.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, we're very fortunate, chick to have been able to

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Speaker 7: secure some great historical artifacts. Probably the best one that's

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Speaker 7: not even in the collection anymore, is we got an

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Speaker 7: opportunity to buy the iconic Vince Lombardi West Point sweater

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Speaker 7: everyone who's ever seen Coach Lombardi in the iconic west

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Speaker 7: Point black sweater. We tracked it down after several years

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Speaker 7: of exhausted research. The gentleman who owned it was in

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Speaker 7: Upper Wisconsin. We talked and it was a series of conversations,

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Speaker 7: and when I was thinking that it wasn't going to

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Speaker 7: go well, and as a last desperation, I said, hey, listen,

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Speaker 7: we need to put this thing in this sweater in

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Speaker 7: a place to be shared by everybody. And he came

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Speaker 7: around and we finally got it, and then I made

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Speaker 7: contact with West Point two years ago, and two years

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Speaker 7: ago we went up to West Point and we donated

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Speaker 7: it to their Athletic Hall of Fame. So that iconic

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Speaker 7: west Point Black Vince Lombardi sweater that he wore is

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Speaker 7: back home where it belongs.

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Speaker 2: Unbelievable, Ha has your collection? Does it have a value?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 9: It does?

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Speaker 1: Okay, how many million dollars?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's it's it's.

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Speaker 1: But it's really priceless in the multi Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's priceless to us, it's priceless to the people

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Speaker 7: that view it, but it's in the severals of millions

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Speaker 7: of dollars.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that is incredible.

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Speaker 7: You know me, check is uh my grandson who's is

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Speaker 7: a huge enthusiast about football. Uh he ever since he

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Speaker 7: was six years old. As we've talked about the legacy

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Speaker 7: of that collection, going to him and allowing him to

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Speaker 7: build and allowing him to understand what football means, allowing

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Speaker 7: him to understand what coaching means. And I see myself

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Speaker 7: as I move out and he moves in continuing to

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Speaker 7: do it even better.

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Speaker 2: Hey, one of the great thrills was meeting and speaking

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Speaker 2: with Paul Horning who came to Dayton the Law Theater

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Speaker 2: for the play Lombardy and Lombardi was played by Edward Furs,

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Speaker 2: an actor out of New York and a friend, a

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Speaker 2: Facebook friend, and that was very memorable, just a handful

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Speaker 2: of years ago.

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Speaker 7: It was was wonderful. Ed is, like you said, as

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Speaker 7: a Facebook friend of mine. Also, he always makes contact

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Speaker 7: along with a lot of people from the production, just

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Speaker 7: great people. We had a wonderful time at the showing

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Speaker 7: of the play and we built lifelong friends.

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Speaker 2: And one last thing here about coach Lombardi. After leaving

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Speaker 2: Green Bay as the basically general manager, after he stepped

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Speaker 2: aside as head coach, he's with the Washington Redskins now

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Speaker 2: the Washington Generals, correct or the commanders. I'm sorry, and

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Speaker 2: wound up coaching one year, a winning season, but then

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Speaker 2: succumbing to colon cancer and.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a great tragedy.

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Speaker 7: Yeah check, that's right. And some of our viewers that

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Speaker 7: don't know is the fact that coach Lombardy's last public

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Speaker 7: speech was in Dayton, Ohio in late June. He arrives

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Speaker 7: on a Sunday as all kinds of intestinal distress. He

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Speaker 7: gives this great presentation, gets back on the plane to

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Speaker 7: go to Washington. At this point he's not only the

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Speaker 7: head coach, gital manager, but he also is five percent

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Speaker 7: of the team. He now owns the team, Yes, five.

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Speaker 4: Percent of it.

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Speaker 7: And they get him and they check him into Georgetown Hospital,

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Speaker 7: and you know, a couple of weeks later, they removed

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Speaker 7: three feet of his small intestine and at that point

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Speaker 7: nobody knows the severity of the cancer. The cancer is

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Speaker 7: really out of control. But back then, you know, the

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Speaker 7: media never pressed doctors only gave you the basic stuff.

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Speaker 4: Hey, we did the operation, He's going to be okay.

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Speaker 7: And the doctor, the medical staff.

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Speaker 9: Knew that he was in real bad shape.

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Speaker 7: Yes, goes out for a month. Checks back in any guys,

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Speaker 7: September third, nineteen seventy about seven five am.

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Speaker 2: Jack, We're basically out of time here. This has been spectacular.

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Speaker 2: Really appreciate all the insight on the immortal Vince Lombardi,

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Speaker 2: Jack GM Brown, fantastic stuff.

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Speaker 1: Jack, Thank you, appreciate your time so.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate it all right, enjoy the game tomorrow with the

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Speaker 2: Lombardi Trophy on the line.

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Speaker 1: This is Sports Talk with Chick lud Wing.

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Speaker 2: When we come back, huh did the Reds do enough

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Speaker 2: this offseason to give you hope that they win the

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Speaker 2: NL Central Division? Chick Ludwig Sports Talk seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 1: ME seven nine in.

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Speaker 2: l W. This is Sports Talk one hour down, two

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Speaker 2: to go. All fired up that you are here. Appreciate

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Speaker 2: all the loyal listeners to seven hundred WLW and all

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Speaker 2: the Chick Magnets. Thank you so much for tuning in

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Speaker 2: to the Nation station. In the first hour, we heard

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Speaker 2: from doctor Mark Cormier about the psychology of all the

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Speaker 2: wagering for the Super Bowl, one point seven to six

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Speaker 2: billion dollars legally being wagered on tomorrow's Super Bowl sixty.

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Speaker 2: And then you just heard from Jack gam Browne all

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Speaker 2: things Vince Lombardi. Gosh, the foremost authority on Lombardy and

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Speaker 2: the greatest collection with over one thousand artifacts. Just incredible. Well,

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Speaker 2: let's talk some Reds baseball. And on my Twitter page

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Speaker 2: at chick Ludwig, I posted a pole question. With the

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Speaker 2: addition of au Hanio Suarez already a solid starting pitching

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Speaker 2: rotation and I believe a much stronger bullpen. Have the

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati Reds done enough to convince you that they are

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Speaker 2: going to win the NL Central Division. I've got my coffee,

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Speaker 2: I've got my computer. All I need is you at

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Speaker 2: five one, three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand, one eight hundred,

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Speaker 2: the Big one and the next Lance McAllister is on

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Speaker 2: the line. Our good friend Bryce and Anderson, Bryce, what

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Speaker 2: do you think?

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Speaker 6: Iijac and I really like this lineup.

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Speaker 10: I like this team inside out. But one thing I'm

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Speaker 10: gonna be posted a projective Reds lineup and it had

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Speaker 10: me disgusted, and so I made my own lineup, and

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Speaker 10: I realized this is going based off what I think

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Speaker 10: is going to happen in both what I wanted to happen.

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Speaker 10: So do you think I could share it?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, lay your lineup on me.

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 10: So in the leadoff spot, I have TJ.

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Speaker 11: Friedle just consistent.

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Speaker 10: Left you guy.

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Speaker 1: He can get on bass.

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Speaker 10: He has a pretty good eye and he's just speeds

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Speaker 10: around the base pass. And then number two MLB had

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Speaker 10: jj Budet over Spencer Steer. I mean JJ Bludet has

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Speaker 10: less of a data point than Spencer's year. I think

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Speaker 10: Spencer Steer have been more consistent. He could drive and runs.

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Speaker 10: He's one of the power sources on this team behind

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Speaker 10: Elie de la Cruz is now a Hango soars. I

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Speaker 10: like him at the two spot. A lot of people

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Speaker 10: might disagree with you there, three Li de la Cruz,

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Speaker 10: I mean no explanation needed. The all star caliber vet

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Speaker 10: bed on the basis, I think teams will pitch to

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Speaker 10: him more with the edition of au Haneni you Swarz,

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Speaker 10: and I think he could bring up some great opportunities

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Speaker 10: for a Hey Swarz.

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Speaker 1: So right now you've got TJ.

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Speaker 2: Friedle leading off, You've got Spencer Steer in the number

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Speaker 2: two hole.

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Speaker 1: That's that's very interesting.

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Speaker 2: L E number three Gino Auhneus his number four.

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Speaker 1: Who's next.

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Speaker 12: Number five?

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Speaker 10: I've got Noobe Marta. I mean things that were shaky

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Speaker 10: after his suspension a couple of years back, but he

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Speaker 10: really found his place. We got moved to the outfield

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Speaker 10: from the infield of sticky situation there. But once he

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Speaker 10: really found his place, he started raking later in the season.

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Speaker 10: And the number six very hot take. I'm sal Stewart,

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Speaker 10: very young, bet, very young bet, but he hit five

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Speaker 10: home runs in his eighteen games in Cincinnati last season,

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Speaker 10: and I think if Terry or Francota gives him a chance,

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Speaker 10: I think he could absolutely rake. I think he's a

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Speaker 10: twenty plus home run guy.

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Speaker 2: Easily totally agree, love salth Stewart. And then your bottom three, seven,

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Speaker 2: eight nine.

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Speaker 10: All right, So at seven, I Tayler Stevenson one of

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Speaker 10: the better hitir catchers in the league. He could play

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Speaker 10: some good defense. I think more defensively you go to

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Speaker 10: Jose Travina. But it just depends on the day and

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Speaker 10: the situation.

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Speaker 6: Am I right?

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Speaker 2: So yeah, we'll probably disagree with you on that because, uh,

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Speaker 2: Tyler more offensive than Jose Travino.

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Speaker 1: Trevino just a phenomenal defensive player.

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Speaker 10: Absolutely agreed, and number Eight, I've got m Klan absolutely outstanding.

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Speaker 10: Before his shoulder injury, missed the whole season, and then

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Speaker 10: he came back, he was just not swimming the bat well.

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Speaker 10: But I think with the off season, the spring turn

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Speaker 10: of the Cup, I think he'll get back in the

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Speaker 10: rhythm of things. And then nine, I've key Brian Hayes.

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Speaker 10: I think with his defense and if I think he

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Speaker 10: just get the bat working a little bit, just to

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Speaker 10: tiny bit, his defense makes up well well over for

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Speaker 10: his hitting abilities, especially with the how shaky the infield

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Speaker 10: has been over the past few years for the Reds.

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Speaker 10: I think he's a solidified guy at the third base

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Speaker 10: position for this team, a Gold Glove caliber player.

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Speaker 2: Hey, this is good, staff, Brice. Uh Yeah, keep Brian Hayes.

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Speaker 2: The signing of Augano Swarrez, although swore swore as to

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Speaker 2: me and really to everybody you know, a designated hitter, okay,

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Speaker 2: but if ke Brian Hayes spirals into a big time slump, Hey,

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Speaker 2: au hen you can play some third base. Not the greatest,

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Speaker 2: but that is a possibility there too. So hey, great stuff.

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Speaker 2: We got some other folks on the line. Want to

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Speaker 2: hear from always fun to hear from you, Bryce, appreciate you,

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Speaker 2: thank you chick. All right, great, And on my Twitter

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Speaker 2: page right now, I'm asking if the Red's done enough

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Speaker 2: to win the NL Central Division. Now it's only a

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Speaker 2: small sample size at one hundred and two votes, but

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Speaker 2: sixty one point.

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Speaker 1: Eight percent say yes, thirty eight point two say no.

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Speaker 2: Let's go up to a good friend in Columbus, Kevin,

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Speaker 2: What is going on, Kevin?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, hey, Ed, you sound excited.

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Speaker 4: I'm excited too.

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Speaker 9: That's a great addition. Court.

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Speaker 12: It's still going to take McClain and dal La Cruz

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Speaker 12: coming around and some other guys you know, all having

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Speaker 12: some good years. You know, a lot's got to go right,

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Speaker 12: but hey, why not they get off to a good start,

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Speaker 12: stay in the race for the division, you know, within

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Speaker 12: five games, and with the good pitching staff, you can't

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Speaker 12: go into losing streets.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, get more out.

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Speaker 12: Of the pitching staff too, like more out of the starters,

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Speaker 12: get them to go six innings. I don't know what

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Speaker 12: the policy in all is, but to where you don't

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Speaker 12: wear out the bullpen or whatever, you know. But that's

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Speaker 12: the great thing of having this great pitching staff is

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Speaker 12: you remember they used to call them the stopper, you know,

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Speaker 12: that would stop.

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Speaker 9: A losing street.

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Speaker 12: Some pitcher go out there, get the one to nothing

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Speaker 12: win when you're not hitting.

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Speaker 1: You know, they've got that kind of thing. They've got plenty.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 2: I love this starting rotation of Hunter Green and Nicololo

657
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 2: and Abbott and Brady Singer and then the fifth starter.

658
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 2: It's going to be awesome here the race and the

659
00:38:54,840 --> 00:39:00,720
Speaker 2: Chase Rett Louder, Chase Burns okay, and then other guys.

660
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 12: Yeah yeah, maybe sometime here you could comment on that

661
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 12: Louder Is he going to be coming around this year?

662
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 9: And now yet you look good?

663
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: Yeah?

664
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 12: You know, not last year, but the previous year, you know, right, yeah.

665
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, heard all of last year with the gosh,

666
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 2: the obleaku.

667
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: The arm just uh we could use them.

668
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 9: That's oh you know ever heard seven started?

669
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 12: But hey it's hey, get off the good start and

670
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 12: uh you know, and and quit losing these one to

671
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 12: nothing games. That got to be frustrating. How many of

672
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 12: them did they do last year? Wasting your pitching performances

673
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 12: where they should have won.

674
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: You don't got thirteen shutouts? Uh yeah yeah.

675
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 12: Yeah, but let's hey, all right, the more what you got.

676
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 9: To say about all that.

677
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 4: Great talk to you, Tick, fantastic.

678
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,399
Speaker 1: All right, I appreciate you, Kevin, Thank you. Hey, we've

679
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 1: got Sue in Cincinnati. Hi, Sue.

680
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 13: Caught my voice, Sue about me given the name, but anyway, yep,

681
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:59,439
Speaker 13: it's Sue. I would I think Chira should be good

682
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 13: for the team, and also I would say, let's see

683
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 13: how they do and their first seven games of spring training,

684
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 13: Now that should tell pretty good. Okay, times do good

685
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 13: and sometimes still slip after the middle of the.

686
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 2: Well, they're going to look at a lot of guys.

687
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 2: They're going to look at a lot of guys, and

688
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 2: they're going to groom this team for opening day so

689
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:28,760
Speaker 2: that they can start fast.

690
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right.

691
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:34,240
Speaker 13: Now I'm looking forward to seeing Hunter Green, the DOLO

692
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 13: signer and some of them. And I'm looking forward Wause,

693
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 13: I don't bring feather weather and no more snow to shevel,

694
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 13: so you can go on to the next one.

695
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: All right, thank you, thank you, Sue. Appreciate you.

696
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 4: Hey.

697
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: John's in Middletown, John, what do you think.

698
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 4: Man, chick?

699
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 8: I've been thinking Reds with this cold winner for the

700
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 8: last couple of days, you know what I mean?

701
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 4: My coffee couldn't taste any better. I can almost the

702
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 4: leather of the glove.

703
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: I love it.

704
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, the lineup.

705
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 8: Thing got me wanting to call, so I thought, I thought,

706
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 8: you know TJ priedele. Okay, Matt McClain playing second.

707
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, you like him in the chew hole.

708
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:15,479
Speaker 4: That's if he's hitting.

709
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 8: And I got an interchangeable on this lineup that I'll

710
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 8: tell you when I get to the end, because there's

711
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 8: a piece that could bat second just as easily. Okay,

712
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 8: So Matt McClain's second, Elie.

713
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 4: Third, you haane he o.

714
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 8: Fourth. Love that pick up. Would have loved to have KYLEE. Warber,

715
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 8: but that's the next best.

716
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: You hand him a good right, Yeah.

717
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 4: And he's got something on his card. We know what

718
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 4: he can he can do. We've seen his baseball card. Yes, right,

719
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 4: and Spencer Stair.

720
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 8: Bat in fifth and back that up that way we

721
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 8: don't have to put the clean up pressure on him.

722
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 8: But he's right there where he needs to be knocked

723
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 8: some runs in Spencer Stair playing first.

724
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 4: I imagine that's.

725
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 8: Where they want him, you know. And then JJ acts

726
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 8: like he looked he looks like he has some promise.

727
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 8: I just for something tells me this guy is going

728
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 8: to have a streaky little season and he's gonna get

729
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 8: predominantly most of the starts there and left Bill and

730
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 8: I guess, and I'm gonna put it by him. Sixth

731
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 8: and no belly, Okay, this is the entertageable part. Bat

732
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 8: and seventh playing right field. I guess that's where they

733
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 8: want him.

734
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 6: Belly button.

735
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 8: Yeah, no, doub Helvey, I'm sorry the Marte and you

736
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 8: can enterchange him and Matt McLain whoever's hitting, because you

737
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 8: know they're both streaky. So so no belly said. He

738
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,399
Speaker 8: put him in that two hole and put Matt down

739
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 8: there in the seventh, okay. Cabrian Hayes batting eighth. No,

740
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 8: they're going to have him on the field if he's healthy,

741
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 8: because he brings so much defense and he and he

742
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 8: sometimes he keeps a run off the you know, scoreboard.

743
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 8: Tyler Stevens from baton seventh, not because he can't hit,

744
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 8: but just that's where he needs to be to bock

745
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 8: in the loose runs, not to put the pressure on

746
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,760
Speaker 8: him and just play the loose because he's big and strong.

747
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 4: He just needs to play a little looser.

748
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 8: I think Kyler you know, bat and last, But I

749
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 8: think you know that. You know that Matt McLain and

750
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 8: no lv and entertained, you know, and you got spots on.

751
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 4: The bench you can fill in and so and so

752
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 4: it's hurt. You know.

753
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 8: We got a pretty intertangeable line up, even on the bench, A.

754
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 1: Tremendous amount of hoversatility, tremendous amount.

755
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 8: Yes, I would love to ketch that finall. You know,

756
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 8: I don't know what his situation is if he goes

757
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,720
Speaker 8: back out to the free agent and he'd be signed cheaper.

758
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 8: He just brought a lot of different ways we could

759
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 8: use him on the team. But I guess the gentleman

760
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 8: from a triple trip way that plays shortstop. I'm trying

761
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 8: to think of his name, but I guess he can play.

762
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 14: He can play pretty good to sell us down here.

763
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh with JJ with uh, with south Stewart coming on,

764
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 2: so h where's Spencer Steere gonna play?

765
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 4: He can?

766
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 2: We know he can play first, but he could be

767
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,240
Speaker 2: in left field. So a lot of like you said,

768
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,919
Speaker 2: interchangeable parts and lineups matter.

769
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 4: You know, Lance always argues with me about this. He

770
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 4: loves to do that. But you know, and I love Lancy.

771
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: He's right on the point. He's great.

772
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 4: He's great with every everything he does. Now, you know,

773
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 4: but that doesn't mean we agree on the lineup.

774
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 8: And he thinks that really doesn't mean to me, it

775
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 8: does because look, I love I loved our.

776
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 4: Coaches lineups, you know what I mean? Uhh he they

777
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,040
Speaker 4: was way better than David.

778
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 8: Bell Us and right off the rimp, we want a

779
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 8: few more games, or right off the rip we went

780
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 8: to the playoffs, and his lineups made sense when you

781
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 8: looked at him, they were kind of like what I

782
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 8: was thinking.

783
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 4: I mean, they just made sense.

784
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 8: And David Bell's lineup was like he was trying to

785
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 8: trip away people and water to get better next season?

786
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and seventy nine last year. With the additions that

787
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 2: they've made, man, can't they get up closer to ninety?

788
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 4: And I think so?

789
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, John, I got to run. Appreciate you man, Thank you, chick,

790
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 2: thanks so much. We've got Andy in Fairfield and dy.

791
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 9: Okay, hey, chick, Hey, I got.

792
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 14: To say I love the lineup.

793
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 4: Ideas.

794
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 14: I'm pretty optimistic about the Reds. I think they reinforced

795
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 14: that bullpen at the starting pitching is what it is,

796
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 14: you know, that's going to be great the offense, ed Frez.

797
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 14: And if these young guys play like they didn't to

798
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 14: their ability and hit and they're not hurt, the sky's

799
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 14: the limit.

800
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: I mean, if they stay healthy.

801
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 2: You were actually right, Andy, If they stay healthy, the

802
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 2: sky is You're right.

803
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 14: And what I really called about though, if you looked

804
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 14: ahead to that opening day series against Boston, Hunter Green

805
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:13,240
Speaker 14: against Garrett Crochet, Brady Singer against Sonny Gray, Andrew Abbott

806
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 14: against Rangers for us, that could be the playoffs on

807
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 14: the first series of the year.

808
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: Awesome.

809
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 14: But there's pitching matchups and I think we can. I

810
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 14: think we can beat them.

811
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: Appreciate it. I agree, yep, thanks so much. Andy.

812
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 2: All right, and we're going out to Mason with our

813
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 2: good friend Ken. Can we can we snag Ken?

814
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:36,439
Speaker 4: There?

815
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: Ken? I got a question for.

816
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 4: You, Okay, TJ.

817
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 2: Friedel is your leadoff batter? Ellie and Gino are three four?

818
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 2: Who is your number two hohole batter? Because we know

819
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 2: that person has to be selfless and he's got to

820
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 2: have a versatile bat to win anything, to move runners

821
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:57,439
Speaker 2: over and get them.

822
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 11: In Well it all I'm done. Is Matt McClain healthy?

823
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 4: Andy?

824
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 11: I mean, that's the biggest thing. People don't understand. He's

825
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 11: had too serious operations, one on his shoulder and the

826
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 11: other on his rib cage and Andy Chick.

827
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 5: As you've seen through the years, a lot.

828
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 11: Of guys never you know, regained their stroke. I mean,

829
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 11: and certainly he didn't swing the bat well last year

830
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 11: at all. He looked restricted, his hands weren't as fast

831
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 11: as they've been normally. I might be looking at Spencer

832
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 11: steering the two hole, you know, with the lineup they have,

833
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 11: or maybe the young kid.

834
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 5: That came up at the end of the year last year.

835
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 11: Wow, Yeah, South Stewart, he might be a two hole

836
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 11: hitter too, especially he's lost twenty five pounds in the offseason,

837
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 11: so he's going to be a sleeker version of himself.

838
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 15: But the one thing I wanted to add, I'm not

839
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 15: not playing Gino a third base to Brian Hayes. You're

840
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 15: giving up he's almost an automatic out. I would use

841
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 15: if if they're gonna keep Kbrian Hayes, I would use

842
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,720
Speaker 15: him as an eighth ninth any defensive replacement for Gino.

843
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 15: Gino doesn't like the DH a whole lot either.

844
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 6: I mean, you're.

845
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 11: Already talking about a guy that's gonna give you forty

846
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 11: home runs in two hundred and ten strikeouts.

847
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you know.

848
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 11: And his strikeout numbers might go up when he's just sitting.

849
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 11: He doesn't like the DH you know. And Cabrian Hayes

850
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 11: is a guy they ought to be moving, you know.

851
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 11: And the Arroyo kid, it's short. I mean we talked repeatedly.

852
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 11: I cannot understand why they're not playing the Arroyo kid

853
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 11: at shorts up those the best defense up the middle

854
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 11: in baseball.

855
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 6: Arroyo is phenomenal.

856
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: We're gonna find out this spring.

857
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, the kid hit okay last year. He's

858
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 11: gotten better as a hitter. I mean, I've been scouting

859
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 11: for thirty two years. He's one of the finest defensive

860
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 11: players I've ever seen him. And McClane would be unreal

861
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 11: up the middle. Yeah, they don't seem to get He

862
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 11: didn't get into bat last year, if I remember right,

863
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 11: I don't think Royal ever came up at any point

864
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 11: in the season.

865
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:03,240
Speaker 1: I don't think he did.

866
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 2: And uh yeah, when Ellie needs a break, you know

867
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 2: that mcclan will go over to short and then we'll

868
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 2: see who gets uh gets the nod at second base

869
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 2: and can I got to run, appreciate it as always,

870
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 2: and hey, when we come back, we're going to go

871
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 2: out to Goodyear Arizona and talk to Rich Oldham, a

872
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 2: resident out there, moved from Southwest Ohio. His job took

873
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 2: him out to Goodyear. I've had him on the last

874
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 2: two years. For all the fans going out to Goodyear,

875
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 2: what to expect when we return. This is Chick Ludwig

876
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 2: Sports Talk seven hundred WLW Bloodwig, and I am so

877
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 2: glad you're here.

878
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for tuning in.

879
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 2: Well, the Cincinnati Reds are descending on Goodyear Arizona for

880
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 2: spring training workouts on Monday, and Reds fans are headed

881
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 2: out to Goodyear Arizona.

882
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 4: Two.

883
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: What's it like in the desert.

884
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 2: Well, let's go out and find Outlet's bring in my

885
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 2: good friend, a transplanted Daytonian too, Goodyear Arizona, my good friend,

886
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 2: Rich Oldham.

887
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 1: Rich, how are you and the family?

888
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 6: No, I chicked, We're doing great. Every bringer well and

889
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 6: it's another year older, but getting excited for the Reds

890
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 6: and the Guardians being out here next week.

891
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 2: Fantastic. I'm excited too, And Rich, can you believe this?

892
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 2: Will be the Reds seventeenth year in Goodyear, Arizona, the

893
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 2: home of the Reds spring training since twenty ten.

894
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 1: I can't believe it's been that long.

895
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's going to be our fourteenth spring training.

896
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 6: We've been out here thirteen and a half years, and

897
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 6: it was funny. Had no idea that we were going

898
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 6: to get transferred to to Phoenix in the first couple

899
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 6: of years they were out here. I had absolutely no

900
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 6: idea anything about the Goodyear area, but it sure has changed.

901
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 6: I know when they started seventeen years ago, it was

902
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 6: basically a stadium and all farm land around it. But

903
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 6: Goodyear on the west side of the valley has grown

904
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 6: tremendously and when the fans come down this year, they're

905
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 6: going to run into a lot of traffic, a lot

906
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 6: of restaurants, a lot of apartments have been built over

907
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 6: the last couple of years. So it's been completely different

908
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,399
Speaker 6: from the Reds when they first came down seventeen years ago.

909
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 2: And yeah, the population in Goodyear just over ninety five

910
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 2: thousand and twenty twenty and now well over one hundred

911
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 2: and eighteen thousand and continuing to grow.

912
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, every I saw listing last year the top ten

913
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,359
Speaker 6: growth cities in the US, and I think Goodyear was

914
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 6: two or three, and our neighboring town Buckeye to the

915
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 6: west was right there to us. So if anybody has

916
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 6: been to Phoenix in the past, all the broach was

917
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 6: on the east side and north of Scottsdale. Now they've

918
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:15,800
Speaker 6: really moved into the desert and from the west we're

919
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 6: completely booked up. Hardly any land available that hasn't been

920
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 6: purchased and doesn't have plans to either grow retail, commercial warehousing,

921
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 6: or definitely apartments.

922
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: Incredible. I like the name of that, that town, Buckeye.

923
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: I like that.

924
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know if you know the story. The

925
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 6: Goodyear Tired Rubber Company started Goodyear. They were growing rubber

926
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 6: or excuse me, cotton for their rubber products, and all

927
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 6: their executives would come out for the winner and the

928
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,399
Speaker 6: next town over, since everybody was from Ohio, they named

929
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 6: it Buckeye in honor of the state of Ohio.

930
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:03,439
Speaker 2: Just fantastic, Rich and rich Oldham with us. The job

931
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 2: took him out from Dayton to Goodyear, Arizona. Can you

932
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 2: talk about the complex that the Reds and the Guardians share,

933
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 2: what's it like.

934
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:20,720
Speaker 6: Oh, it's beautiful. And all the stadiums in the Phoenix

935
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 6: area have either been recently built or renovated, so if

936
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 6: you come out to any of the stadiums are going

937
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 6: to be absolutely beautiful. It's probably in the eleven thousand

938
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 6: c main stadium. Free parking, the concessions are fairly reasonably priced,

939
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 6: and you know, the ballplayers are very friendly when they're

940
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 6: when they're in town, so if you're off the game,

941
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 6: you know you can get some autographs, pictures. The stadium

942
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 6: is right outside of the complex. The Reds have a complex,

943
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 6: and the guardians are right next to them. Probably between

944
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,280
Speaker 6: both of them, there's probably probably close to twenty different

945
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 6: diamonds hitting cages. And the good thing is before the games,

946
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 6: if you want to go down to watch either team practice,

947
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 6: it's open practice, so you can get in there, you

948
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 6: can watch them, you can sit in the stands and

949
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 6: then walk over to the stadium for the main game.

950
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 6: The one thing the Reds did add this year they

951
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 6: built a housing complex for their minor league players on site.

952
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 6: So it's a complex of townhouses where the non forty

953
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 6: man roster can stay. Because if you're on the forty

954
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 6: man roster, for spring training. You have to make your

955
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 6: own accommodations, but if you're not on the forty man roster.

956
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 6: It looks like all the Reds players this year will

957
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 6: be staying at their complex. And the Guardians did the same

958
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 6: thing probably four to five years ago, so all their

959
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 6: players will be staying right there on on campus of

960
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 6: the facility.

961
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:06,280
Speaker 2: Man that has live in baseball twenty four to seven,

962
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 2: When you're right there, man, that's incredible.

963
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 16: Yeah.

964
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 6: I drove by the complex the other day. The Guardians

965
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 6: had players out. I think it may have been some

966
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 6: people rehabilitating, but they looked like they had seven or

967
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 6: eight guys out their throwing getting ready. I did not

968
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 6: see any movement yet on the Reds complex. I'm sure

969
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 6: though they're there now. But I have seen a lot

970
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:35,240
Speaker 6: of cars in the housing complex, so they have moved

971
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 6: in a lot of players so far.

972
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,879
Speaker 2: Rich Oldham is with us, a resident of good Year,

973
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 2: him and his family and Rich a lot of amenities

974
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 2: and recreation aside from you know, watching baseball for fans

975
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 2: that come out there for multiple days or weeks.

976
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:59,359
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's plenty to do. And unlike the people back

977
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 6: in the Trice State area, I know you've had one

978
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 6: of your coldest winners so far, we've had a very

979
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 6: hot winner. I think January was the second WARN's on record.

980
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,839
Speaker 6: It was eighty two degrees today in Phoenix. I know

981
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,280
Speaker 6: some of your listeners somebody have been watching the Waste

982
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 6: Management Phoenix Open that's going on this week. The weather's

983
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 6: been absolutely beautiful. So there's golf, there's a lot of hiking.

984
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 6: There's plenty of mountains to hikes. You know, there's a

985
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 6: lot of shopping. Scottsdale is a wonderful town for you know,

986
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 6: some high class restaurants and you know shopping there. You know,

987
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 6: So there's there's plenty, plenty of things to do in

988
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 6: the Phoenix besides baseball. And the one good thing about

989
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:56,399
Speaker 6: Phoenix and spring training, all the stadiums are within an

990
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 6: hour of each other. So if we want to go

991
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 6: watch the Reds and the afternoon, you can go see

992
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 6: another game in the evening or or vice versa.

993
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 5: You know, you can.

994
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 6: You can definitely catch two games a day if you

995
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 6: want to.

996
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 2: And yeah, talking off the off the air with our

997
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 2: producer Russ Jackson, you know a lot of Reds fans

998
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 2: miss going to hell to Tampa. You know in Florida,

999
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,879
Speaker 2: but man, the the different complex is down there. You've

1000
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 2: got to drive forever but out in Goodyear and the

1001
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 2: surrounding areas, like you mentioned, so many teams within close proximity.

1002
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, the only the only bad thing is that, you know,

1003
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 6: at Florida you could drive the swing training. If you're

1004
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 6: a fan here you have to plan it out a

1005
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 6: little bit, you have to fly out. But the weather

1006
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:48,240
Speaker 6: is just absolutely wonderful and there's so many other things

1007
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 6: that that you can do while in town. So my

1008
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 6: recommendation is, you know, cheaper, cheaper price, easier to get

1009
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 6: in and out, more relaxed thatmosphere, you can watch the practice.

1010
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 6: If you still have a chance to make it this year,

1011
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 6: you know, you should come on down or make plans

1012
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 6: in the future. It's it's a great time if you're

1013
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 6: a baseball fan and you know you can definitely travel

1014
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 6: with the Reds and like I said, never be more

1015
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 6: than an hour away from your hotel or whatever accommodations

1016
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 6: you come up with.

1017
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 2: And rich Oldham with the Guardians and the Reds sharing

1018
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 2: that complex, man, it's an Ohio invasion hopefully.

1019
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, they have a lot of specials at the at

1020
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 6: the stadium. You can get some Skyline product there. The

1021
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 6: Indians also in the in the uh the Chuven Air Shop,

1022
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 6: they sell some of their stadium mustard and some other

1023
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 6: Cleveland basics. So yeah, it's great. And with both of

1024
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 6: them being in the playoffs last year and the Guardians

1025
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 6: win in their division, you know, there's high hopes for

1026
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 6: both teams this year. And I think the Reds have

1027
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,919
Speaker 6: definitely improved themselves. You know, we had so soreheads last

1028
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 6: year out in the desert with the Diamondbacks, and he's

1029
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 6: good for thirty plus home run so I think that

1030
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 6: was a great move for the Reds picking him.

1031
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 2: Up absolutely to Yeah, land right in the middle of disorder,

1032
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 2: right behind Elie de la Cruz probably is the cleanup hitter.

1033
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 2: And with the young players that the Reds have and

1034
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 2: the arms that they have in the starting rotation, and

1035
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 2: then what they added three quality folks for the bullpen, Yeah,

1036
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 2: high hopes here for the Reds this year.

1037
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, let's just hope something happens to the Dodgers.

1038
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 16: I'm getting tired of them going out buying whoever they want,

1039
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 16: but that's I guess that's the way the game is

1040
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 16: and the Reds have been smart as a small market

1041
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 16: team rebuilding, and you know, you got to be rooting

1042
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 16: for teams like that versus the guys that just go

1043
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 16: out and try to buy a tenant.

1044
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 2: And you mentioned this might be a good year to

1045
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 2: go out to good year, because who knows what's going

1046
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 2: to happen next year with a possible lockout, with a

1047
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 2: possible uh yeah, work stoppage, with the collective bargaining agreement

1048
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 2: ending after this season.

1049
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 6: Well, let's hope people come to senses. I know, back

1050
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 6: in the eighties when they had the last big strike,

1051
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 6: that was terrible and it took a long time for

1052
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 6: baseball to come back, and some people say it never

1053
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 6: came back fully. So let's hope that they can avoid

1054
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 6: work stoppages. You know, I know it's a business for them,

1055
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:50,959
Speaker 6: but for the fans, it's a game. It's entertainment, gives

1056
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 6: us a break from our lives, and we kind of

1057
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 6: lived through these people playing that childhood game that we

1058
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 6: all used to play when we were much younger.

1059
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 1: That's exactly right.

1060
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 2: And when we were coaching for the Purple Hawks soccer

1061
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 2: team back in the day, remember.

1062
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 6: That, Yeah, that was that was good times.

1063
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 1: They really were.

1064
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 2: And you know, I'm looking to some pros and cons

1065
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 2: here of Goodyear Gosh, a family friendly community, the amenities,

1066
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 2: the recreation, the economic growth and jobs and the quality

1067
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 2: of life and the housing and the cons traffic is

1068
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 2: starting to get brutal, and the hot summers and uh

1069
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 2: distance from the East Valley, who knows. But uh, yeah,

1070
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 2: still an awesome place to uh to reside.

1071
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're happy. We absolutely loved the weather. And you know,

1072
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 6: I would rather be outside in the heat versus the cold.

1073
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 6: You know, I was never a skier. Snowmobile or if

1074
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 6: you're smart, you can still play golf and do some

1075
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 6: of the things earlier in the day before the heat comes.

1076
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 6: So it's I'd much rather take the heat versus the cold.

1077
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you mentioned golf. I head on the golf

1078
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 2: pro Zach Amsler. He's the head golf professional at the

1079
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 2: course that houses the Arizona State men's and women's teams,

1080
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 2: And yeah, he's getting ready for the waste management Phoenix

1081
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 2: opened this week, and man, it's a golf heaven out

1082
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 2: there in Arizona.

1083
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1084
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 6: I mean, you can go on golf now and get reservations,

1085
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 6: no problem. If you don't have anything set up in advance.

1086
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 6: The courses are all in great shape because of the

1087
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 6: weather that we've had, so yeah, I would. I was

1088
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 6: looking last week to play. My wife was out of

1089
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 6: town and I had a free day, but everything was booked.

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Speaker 6: So my recommendation is if you're coming in, make sure

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Speaker 6: you have a tea time like some of the courses

1092
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 6: we have in season where you can do a walk up.

1093
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 6: Sometimes that's hard this time of the year in the

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Speaker 6: Greater Phoenix area, well.

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01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 1: In the deep freeze.

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01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 2: Back here in Ohio rich oldham Man, I can almost

1097
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 2: smell the leather, smell the grass, and man hear the

1098
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 2: crack of the bat and the thump of the ball

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Speaker 2: hitting the mid man.

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Speaker 1: It's it's an exciting time, it really is.

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Speaker 6: It is. And I know my schedule for the month

1102
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 6: of March is kind of busy, but I still have

1103
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 6: time to probably make three or four games. I like

1104
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 6: going during the week if I can sneak out for

1105
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 6: the office for the afternoons. Now that's crowded, very relaxed,

1106
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 6: so you know, the one one of Dan's I have

1107
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 6: and sometimes I have a very last minute schedule so

1108
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 6: I can go down and see two really good teams.

1109
01:02:57,000 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 6: If the Reds are playing that day, that's great. And

1110
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 6: I'm also a Guardians fan, so I can always see

1111
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 6: another good Ohio team play.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's fantastic, Rich. I think this is the third

1113
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 2: year we've done this. I absolutely love doing it. We

1114
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 2: really appreciate you joining us and to give us all

1115
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 2: the ins and outs here of a trip to Goodyear, Arizona,

1116
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 2: seventeenth year as the Red spring training home starting in

1117
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 2: twenty ten.

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01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 17: Time flies, Man, I was still fairly young back then. Yeah, yeah,

1119
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 17: all right, Rich, all the best to you and your

1120
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 17: family and man, being a grandpa again, that's got to

1121
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 17: be a great feeling.

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01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:38,919
Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Actually that's where I'm at now. I'm in South

1124
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 6: Dakota visiting my new granddaughters. She's fourteen days old. And yeah,

1125
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 6: it doesn't get any better than this.

1126
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 2: A grandson Townshend, an aristocratic name, and a granddaughter Francis.

1127
01:03:57,880 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 1: How sweet it is.

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Speaker 6: Yep, that's all good.

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01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,959
Speaker 1: All right, appreciate you, Rich, Thank you, all right.

1130
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 6: Have a good one, chick, Thank you, and I look

1131
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 6: forward to next year.

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01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 1: All right, fantastic.

1133
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 2: Well, when we come back after the top of the

1134
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 2: hour news, I'm going to reveal my Super Bowl pick

1135
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 2: who I'm going to be rooting for Tomorrow. Kick off

1136
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 2: six point thirty right here with all the coverage starting

1137
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Speaker 2: at five o'clock on seven hundred WLW. This is Chick

1138
01:04:31,280 --> 01:05:07,920
Speaker 2: Ludwig Sports Talk on the Big One, seven hundred WLW

1139
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 2: eight o.

1140
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 1: Nine in the Queens City of Cincinnati.

1141
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 2: Chicklugwig, seven hundred WLW, this is Sports Talk. Russ Jackson

1142
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 2: is tonight's producer. We're going all the way to nine

1143
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 2: o'clock tonight. That's when Donna g takes over these airwaves.

1144
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 2: Now is the time when I tell all the loyal

1145
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 2: listeners who I'm rooting for in tomorrow's Super Bowl. I'm

1146
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Speaker 2: rooting for the Ohio State Buck.

1147
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 1: Guys.

1148
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 2: It's not just the Super Bowl, it is the Buck

1149
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:42,920
Speaker 2: Eye Ball and here to talk to us all about it.

1150
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 2: He's retired from the Columbus Dispatch, where he covered Ohio

1151
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 2: State football for fifteen seasons from twenty eleven to twenty fifteen.

1152
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 2: Now he's doing it on his substack. You can check

1153
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:59,200
Speaker 2: it out at Bill Rabinowitz, author of three books, Buckeye Rebirth,

1154
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 2: The Chase, and most recently, The Story of the twenty

1155
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 2: twenty four National champion Buckeyes Buck Eye brotherhood. Let's welcome

1156
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 2: in our good friend Bill Rabinowitz. Bill, how we doing.

1157
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 14: I'm good, chick.

1158
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 9: How are you? Oh?

1159
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 1: Fantastic?

1160
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 2: And it is like a Super Bowl reunion for the

1161
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 2: buck Eyes tomorrow at Levi Stadium in Santa Clara.

1162
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Speaker 1: I love it.

1163
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:28,960
Speaker 9: Yeah, you have. You have Mike Rabel obviously coaching the Patriots.

1164
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 9: Buckeye player, Buckeye coach, Yeah, Jackson Benjigba. I would see

1165
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 9: a breakout year for him with the sale Seahawks. And

1166
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Speaker 9: then again two more Patriots coaching are playing under Rabel,

1167
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 9: Trevon Henderson and Sarah Munford. Yeah, just a quick correction.

1168
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 9: I was at its beat till last year twenty twenty five,

1169
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 9: not twenty fifteen. But I know what you meant, chick. Yeah,

1170
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 9: I left that betch. No, that's fine, I knew what

1171
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 9: you meant. Yeah, I'm not covering the team on subteck.

1172
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 9: I'm not retired. I retired from the Dispatch, I guess

1173
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 9: you could say, but I'm not retired as an ohiose

1174
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:04,439
Speaker 9: deep beat writer. So I hope you'lverbittomous that Stuffstack dot com. Yeah,

1175
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 9: it should be a really fascinating game. I mean, Mike,

1176
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 9: what Mike Rabel has done coaching a team that was

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01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 9: you know, look, they kind of hit rock bottom after

1178
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:15,720
Speaker 9: the Belichick Brady years, and he brought him back faster

1179
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 9: than anyone thought he would. And you're probably looking for

1180
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 9: like a funny Ohio state story or whatever, I've got

1181
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 9: one because when Abel Rabel, remember was hired by Luke Fickle,

1182
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 9: when Fickle took over for Jim Tressel after the whole

1183
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 9: tax two gate stuff. That was the one hire that

1184
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 9: Fickle was able to make. But the next year, when

1185
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 9: urban Meyer took over, urban Meyer didn't want to keep Fickle,

1186
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 9: and he certainly didn't want to keep Drabel, who was

1187
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 9: a rookie coach basically and said, okay, you know, prove

1188
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 9: yourself on the on the whiteboard. I'm gonna have you

1189
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 9: diagrammed this. I'm gonna it's basically like a like a grilling.

1190
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 9: And he bombed. He just he bombed. I mean he

1191
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 9: told me for in the in the Buck I Rebirth

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01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:59,959
Speaker 9: book that he thought like a rookie and training camp

1193
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:04,680
Speaker 9: just getting crushed by blockers, and he urban Meyer gave

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01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 9: him a second chance, said okay, you know we'll try

1195
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 9: to get tomorrow at six o'clock. He basically pulled an

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01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:12,480
Speaker 9: onliner and he ate it and that's how he was

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Speaker 9: able to stay on the staff. The other thing that

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Speaker 9: Meyer told him was we want you to go recruit

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Speaker 9: somebody you've never had to recruit. Go do it. And

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Speaker 9: there was a player, a five star player, no Spence

1201
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 9: from Harrisburg and most people thought he was going to

1202
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:29,760
Speaker 9: go to Penn State, but that was after the Jerry

1203
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:33,439
Speaker 9: Sandusky scandal it hit, and so obviously had a real chance.

1204
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:37,680
Speaker 9: And so Fickle and Verebel go to Harrisburg and they

1205
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 9: go to the Spence house and Fickle is talking to

1206
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Speaker 9: Noa Spence's mom in the kitchen and ver Abel said,

1207
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:45,720
Speaker 9: hit come, I mean and they went in dining room.

1208
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 9: I guess they moved some tables around and they were

1209
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 9: doing pass rushed drills and Vrabel comes out of this

1210
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 9: and he's got like a bruised, you know, bloody lip

1211
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:55,400
Speaker 9: and a bump on his forehead or something like. It

1212
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 9: was like nuts. Well, they did get no Offense, who

1213
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 9: unfortunately didn't really pan out Ohio State the way people thought.

1214
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 9: But he kind of proved his recruiting shops right there

1215
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 9: and no offense is living room.

1216
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:09,840
Speaker 2: Oh that is just a fantastic story. And what else

1217
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 2: about Vrabel is a head coach. Man, he's just really

1218
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 2: blossomed here. He was terrific with the Tennessee Titans. Then

1219
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:22,160
Speaker 2: things went south, but they come back to where basically

1220
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:25,680
Speaker 2: home for the New England Patriots, and man, just his

1221
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 2: connection with his players is special.

1222
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Speaker 9: Yeah, he's a very blunt guy. There's no kind of

1223
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:35,519
Speaker 9: gray area with Mike Rabel. I mean, I can't say

1224
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 9: that I know him as well as some people do,

1225
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:40,280
Speaker 9: but I I was around him enough to get a sense, uh,

1226
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 9: you know what he's like. He's just a very direct,

1227
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 9: honest guy. And I think that NFL players want that

1228
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:50,759
Speaker 9: they want. They don't want sugarcoating, they don't want soft peddling.

1229
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 9: They want the truth. And the fact that Vrabel was

1230
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 9: what however many times Super Bowl champions a player gives

1231
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:02,559
Speaker 9: him extra instant credibility, especially in New England, and obviously

1232
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 9: was a good coach with Tennessee, so it was a

1233
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:07,639
Speaker 9: perfect fit. I think when that job opened up, people

1234
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:10,599
Speaker 9: kind of thought, well, variables the obvious candidate. I don't

1235
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 9: think that most people thought that very able would turn

1236
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 9: them around as fast as they did. I mean, the

1237
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:17,439
Speaker 9: New England last year was terrible, and I don't know

1238
01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:19,439
Speaker 9: what the odds were this year. You know, I'm guessing

1239
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:22,559
Speaker 9: like one hundred to one. But they've done it, and

1240
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 9: you know, obviously they have a good quarterback and Trayvon

1241
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:29,920
Speaker 9: Henderson has certainly been important for them. You know, there's

1242
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:32,120
Speaker 9: another guy that's got an interesting story. I'm actually gonna

1243
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 9: write something on substack. I've written some of it. I

1244
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:36,559
Speaker 9: have to finish it tonight. You know, just the journeys

1245
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 9: that all four of these guys took, and and all

1246
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 9: of them kind of had major adversity along the way.

1247
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 9: And Trayvon Henderson. I remember talking to him before the

1248
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 9: Georgia game in twenty two. That was a sophomore year,

1249
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 9: I think it was, and he looked that was the

1250
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 9: year he broke his broke his foot, He had a

1251
01:10:57,920 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 9: broken bon in his foot. He had some link of

1252
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:02,439
Speaker 9: of damage too, and I was talking to him on

1253
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 9: a media day and nobody else was there. He was

1254
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:08,640
Speaker 9: not playing at that point, and he just looked almost despondent.

1255
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 9: His career was not going the way he wanted it to.

1256
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:14,240
Speaker 9: And I remember saying to him, do you even want

1257
01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 9: to like come back? And he was noncommittal. I mean

1258
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:19,599
Speaker 9: I really thought he was gone. But the next year

1259
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 9: he was healthier. And then last year in twenty twenty four,

1260
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 9: he welcomed Quinchhawn Judkins as a transfer from Ole Miss.

1261
01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:30,760
Speaker 9: They were a dynamic duo, helped wives they win the

1262
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:34,000
Speaker 9: national championship and boosted his draft stock. Is the second

1263
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 9: round pick, which is really good for a running back,

1264
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 9: and he's had them plays this year and they just

1265
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:40,519
Speaker 9: he just kind of go wow. I mean, that's Trevion Anderson.

1266
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:41,080
Speaker 1: That's right.

1267
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 2: Maybe a slow start to his pro career, but man,

1268
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 2: he's turned it on and he is he's a special talent.

1269
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:50,879
Speaker 2: And then you come to JSN, Jackson Smith and Jigba

1270
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 2: and he truly is the human joystick out there.

1271
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:59,320
Speaker 1: Wow. His uh yeah, he's got some great hips.

1272
01:11:59,479 --> 01:11:59,719
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1273
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:01,800
Speaker 9: I remember the catch he made. I think it was

1274
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 9: against Nebraska his freshman year. It was late in the game.

1275
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 9: You know, he was a backup then obviously, and then

1276
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:10,800
Speaker 9: the pass was it was in the back of the

1277
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 9: end zone and it looked live like okay, he was

1278
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:15,920
Speaker 9: out of the end zone, and then the refts. I

1279
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:18,720
Speaker 9: don't know if they did on a review, and it

1280
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:21,040
Speaker 9: was clear it was very much like the catch that

1281
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:23,559
Speaker 9: the Indiana guy made it against Penn State this year.

1282
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 9: Very similar. I mean the stakes weren't ashig as. The

1283
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 9: last day was blowing out who if they were playing.

1284
01:12:28,479 --> 01:12:31,759
Speaker 9: But I remember watching that play and thinking, oh my god,

1285
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 9: I mean, that was an incredible catch. He has great

1286
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:41,680
Speaker 9: body control. His quickness is incredible. You know, he can

1287
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:43,880
Speaker 9: make him missing a phone booth. He's one of those

1288
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 9: kind of guys. Not the biggest guy, not the fastest

1289
01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:50,640
Speaker 9: guy in terms of forty speed. But everyone remembers the

1290
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 9: Rose Bull game. I remember, I mean, chrys Olave and

1291
01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:57,240
Speaker 9: Garrett Wilson opted out to protect the draft status, and

1292
01:12:57,320 --> 01:13:00,839
Speaker 9: it was C. J. Stroud and Jackson Smith and Jigoba

1293
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:03,479
Speaker 9: and they put on that show against Utah. I mean

1294
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 9: in Jigba, I forget the number of three hundred and

1295
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 9: fifty yards receiving, I mean something insane like that. Yes,

1296
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:12,519
Speaker 9: and then unfortunately the next year he gets hurt. He

1297
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 9: got hurt early in the Notre Dame game, and the

1298
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:17,479
Speaker 9: opener was never healthy. I think, ohios, they had probably

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Speaker 9: mismanaged that a little bit, you know, and and it

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Speaker 9: was a non factor. And I believe I've tweeted this

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Speaker 9: so that if he had been healthy that year, they

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Speaker 9: won the National championship. You know, they they lost to

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Speaker 9: Georgia in that game after Marvin Harrison got knocked out.

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Speaker 9: They're playing with you know, makeshift players at the end

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Speaker 9: of that game. If they had had him all year, boy,

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Speaker 9: I really think they would have won the National championship.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And and fair Mumford is a good story too,

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01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:47,559
Speaker 2: making his second stand here with the Patriots on the

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Speaker 2: offensive line.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, and he's a Cincinnati guy. And I think about

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Speaker 9: his mom mainly Melissa, who Fair was was clearly talented,

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01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:02,360
Speaker 9: but he was overweight and his grades weren't very good,

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Speaker 9: and she made the decision to have him move and

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Speaker 9: move in with the Nassaline coach and his wife, and

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Speaker 9: that really turned his life around. He lost weight, he

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Speaker 9: got his grades in order I have a State which

1317
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:16,680
Speaker 9: he had been recruiting him but then was very kind

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01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 9: of if he about it because of the weight and

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Speaker 9: because of the grades. And then he became one of

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Speaker 9: the most revered players. I mean, the thing that stands

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Speaker 9: out to me about his Ohio State career is now,

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Speaker 9: how many left tackle volunteer volunteer to move to guard

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Speaker 9: because they thought another player deserved a starting spot.

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Speaker 4: That's what happened there.

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Speaker 9: Munford was the left tackle as a junior, Dewon Jones

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01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:46,879
Speaker 9: was developing as a right tackle, and sarre Munford said, Okay,

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Speaker 9: if we think I think Dwon needs to play, I

1328
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:53,760
Speaker 9: will move inside. Have Nicole Petite Ferrer move from right

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01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:56,519
Speaker 9: tackle to left tackle to open that spot up for

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Speaker 9: Dwon Jones. And he did. I mean, it's almost unheard

1331
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Speaker 9: out the left tackle, which is the glamor position on

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01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 9: the line, would volunteer to lunteer to move inside. But

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Speaker 9: that's what he did. He was the BLOCKO recipient, which

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01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:13,639
Speaker 9: is a huge honor for Ohio State. He was only

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01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 9: a seventh round pick by the Raiders a few years ago,

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01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 9: and those guys tend to bounce around and he and

1337
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:22,759
Speaker 9: he has, but you know, he's landed in a great spot.

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01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 2: And you could follow Bill Robinowitz great stuff here at

1339
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:29,960
Speaker 2: at Bill Rabinowitz and man, you've got to check out

1340
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:33,919
Speaker 2: his sub stack covering the Ohio State Buckeyes. Yes, retired

1341
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 2: from the Columbus Dispatch, but not retired from sports riding

1342
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:41,800
Speaker 2: and kudos to Kobe Bryant the University of Cincinnati, a

1343
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:48,479
Speaker 2: former Cincinnati star safety now with the Seattle Seahawks and Bills.

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Speaker 2: It's a strange feeling for an alum at the Ohio

1345
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:55,920
Speaker 2: State University. Uh yet disappointed with the losses to Indiana

1346
01:15:56,280 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 2: and the University of Miami. But I feel good because

1347
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Speaker 2: the Bluckeyes beat Michigan at Michigan.

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Speaker 9: Yeah it is. And I actually put this a little

1349
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:13,559
Speaker 9: poll vote on my sub stack. You know, before all

1350
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 9: that stuff, would you rather beat Michigan and not win

1351
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 9: a national championship or win a national championship but lose

1352
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:22,439
Speaker 9: the Michigan again? And it was kind of split. And

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01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:25,519
Speaker 9: so I think you're not alone, Chick. I think there

1354
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 9: are a lot of people that, you know, if they

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01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:32,559
Speaker 9: had to choose, said Okay, Michigan is the must win. Now.

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01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:36,720
Speaker 9: I think Ohio State fans are truly and rightfully disappointed

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01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:40,400
Speaker 9: that they didn't beat Indiana. Then in the the tencha Michigan,

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01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:42,599
Speaker 9: they didn't play their best and they did not play

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Speaker 9: their best against Miami. So if you had told me

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Speaker 9: on the field of ann Arbor at the Big House,

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01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 9: the Ohio State wasn't gonna win again out of a

1362
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 9: very surprised because I think they were the best team

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01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:57,080
Speaker 9: this year. You know, again, Indiana deserves it, and they

1364
01:16:57,120 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 9: beat Ohio State far and square. I would have loved

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01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:02,840
Speaker 9: Seedo rematch in the National championship game, but look, Olives

1366
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:05,559
Speaker 9: State didn't get it done and Indiana did, so props

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Speaker 9: to them, but I you know, it was a very,

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01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:11,640
Speaker 9: very good team. I think the fact they were not

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Speaker 9: challenged really all year except for the Texas game, hurt

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01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:18,599
Speaker 9: that and I thought it might I remember asking Ryan

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Speaker 9: Day that question sometime in November. They had that stretch

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Speaker 9: where they play Purdue, UCLA and Rutgers, and I'm thinking

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01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 9: to myself, this doesn't do them any good. You know,

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Speaker 9: they they just haven't been tested. What's going to happen

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Speaker 9: if they're in a close game, because they will be well.

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Speaker 9: They didn't respond very well against Indiana, and they didn't

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Speaker 9: respond very well against Miami.

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Speaker 2: You're absolutely right, and they've got a very take. It

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01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:43,960
Speaker 2: looks like a very difficult schedule next year, very.

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Speaker 9: Tough, very tough schedule. If they go ten and two

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01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:48,439
Speaker 9: next year, that's a really good year. I mean, if

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01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:50,840
Speaker 9: they go ten to two in the regular season, people

1383
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:52,680
Speaker 9: ought to be very very happy. I mean, if they

1384
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:56,840
Speaker 9: go eleven and one, that's well, I think twelve and zero, look,

1385
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:58,920
Speaker 9: anything could happen. But if they go twelve to zero

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01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:02,960
Speaker 9: against that schedule, I mean, they play at Texas, they

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Speaker 9: play at Indiana, play at Iowa, at usc and they've

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01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:09,800
Speaker 9: also got a home games against Oregon and Michigan. That

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01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:13,360
Speaker 9: is that's a that's a grind now they've got to have.

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Speaker 9: They're a very good team. I mean, if you have

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Speaker 9: Julian Saying and you have h Jeremiah Smith back, the

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Speaker 9: defense should be pretty good. I'm not sure it'll be

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01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 9: quite as good as last year, but you know, pretty

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Speaker 9: good at the bare minimum. But it's a that's a

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Speaker 9: tough schedule, and there's only one by this week for

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01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 9: next year, that's that's gonna be a challenge one by

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01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 9: and so it's it's gonna be a meat grinder for

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Speaker 9: the Buckeyes.

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Speaker 2: And one thing we learned last year Will Howard was

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Speaker 2: a weapon running the football. Julian Saying is a beautiful

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01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:51,800
Speaker 2: passer of the football. And man, we we watch Indiana

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01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:56,200
Speaker 2: with Fernando Mendoza the touchdown run he made Miami, I'm

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01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 2: thinking can Julians saying run a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but yeah, that's he can.

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Speaker 9: There was a play the play before the miss field

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01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:12,920
Speaker 9: Goalgainst Indiana, there was a swing bo Jackson went out

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01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:15,360
Speaker 9: on what could have been a swing pass, ended up

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01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 9: throwing it to the tight end in the end zone.

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01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:18,800
Speaker 9: That was bad of a way. He could have run

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Speaker 9: for a first down on that, or at least got

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01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:22,400
Speaker 9: some Yeah, I think it was third one or something.

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01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:24,639
Speaker 9: He could have run for that first down. I think

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Speaker 9: that next year he will. People have to remember that

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Speaker 9: Julian saying was a red shirt freshman. Yes, Fernando Mendoza

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Speaker 9: and Carson Beck, the two quarterbacks in the championship game,

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01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:43,559
Speaker 9: probably had fifty well how many starts with it, they

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01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:46,439
Speaker 9: could have like eighty starts between them. Yes, you know

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01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:49,640
Speaker 9: in that game they were fifth year guys. There is

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01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:52,479
Speaker 9: a difference between a twenty year old and a twenty

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Speaker 9: four year old or a twenty three year old.

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Speaker 4: There just is.

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Speaker 9: And I think people didn't quite appreciate that with about Julian.

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01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 9: I mean, look, he's clearly a gifted quarterback, a gifted tasser.

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01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:08,120
Speaker 9: I think he's perfectly fine as a leader. I think

1425
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:11,760
Speaker 9: the players respect him, but he was a first year guy, yes,

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01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:15,080
Speaker 9: and next year, you know he's not gonna lose his

1427
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:17,719
Speaker 9: throwing touch and he's going to add things to his game.

1428
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:19,400
Speaker 9: And I think what happened at the end of last

1429
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:21,160
Speaker 9: year is going to drive him, just like I think

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01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 9: Jeremiah Smith will be motivated because he was the one

1431
01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:26,720
Speaker 9: who missed that block on the pick six. If he

1432
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:30,680
Speaker 9: gets the way of that Miami guy, that's not a

1433
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:33,280
Speaker 9: pick six, and it's an entirely different game. And so

1434
01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:36,799
Speaker 9: I think those guys and really everybody on the Buckeyes

1435
01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:39,160
Speaker 9: are going to be highly motivated because they know that

1436
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:42,080
Speaker 9: they kind of, you know, blew a real good chance.

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01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:47,080
Speaker 2: To repeat, Bill, this has been fantastic and I can't

1438
01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:50,200
Speaker 2: thank you enough. Bill robino Whit's retired from the Columbus

1439
01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:53,240
Speaker 2: dispect but check out his sub stack covering the Buckeyes

1440
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:58,680
Speaker 2: at Bill robino Witz and Bill appreciate you and all

1441
01:20:58,720 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 2: the best of you and your family.

1442
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:02,720
Speaker 9: Finn chick All, we want to catch it up with you.

1443
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:05,679
Speaker 1: Fantastic, Thank you so much.

1444
01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:11,040
Speaker 2: And before we go to the break, gosh want to

1445
01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:16,839
Speaker 2: congratulate Paul Keels, the voice of the Buckeyes, for entering

1446
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:20,200
Speaker 2: and being inducted into and enshrined in the Ohio Basketball

1447
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:24,040
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame this year. So you are listening to

1448
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:27,960
Speaker 2: Sports Talk and when we come back, I'm going to

1449
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:33,599
Speaker 2: tell you the reason why and how the Cincinnati Bengals

1450
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:39,880
Speaker 2: lost Super Bowl sixteen at the Pontiac Silver Dome. After

1451
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:42,799
Speaker 2: the nineteen eighty one season. It was January of nineteen

1452
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:46,519
Speaker 2: eighty two when we return, Chick Ludwig Sports Talk seven

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01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:51,640
Speaker 2: hundred WLW thirty nine in the Queen City of Cincinnati. Chickludwig,

1454
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:56,439
Speaker 2: seven hundred WLW, thank you so much for tuning in.

1455
01:21:57,120 --> 01:22:00,320
Speaker 2: Really appreciate being with you for three full hours night

1456
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:04,080
Speaker 2: from six to nine, and when I sign off, Donna

1457
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 2: d is going to take you from nine to midnight tonight. Well,

1458
01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:17,560
Speaker 2: I saw the interview that Chris Collinsworth and Mike Turrico

1459
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:29,920
Speaker 2: did on Fox Radio and that is your broadcast team

1460
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:33,479
Speaker 2: tomorrow for NBC. The game can be heard right here

1461
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:37,760
Speaker 2: on seven hundred WLW starting at five o'clock with a

1462
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:44,080
Speaker 2: six thirty kickoff, and the Seahawks are favored by four

1463
01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:47,559
Speaker 2: and a half points and the over under is forty

1464
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:52,839
Speaker 2: five and a half. But the interview with Dan Patrick

1465
01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:58,120
Speaker 2: was phenomenal with Mike Jerico and Chris Collinsworth. And Collinsworth,

1466
01:22:58,200 --> 01:23:03,480
Speaker 2: of course, play in Super Bowl sixteen for your Cincinnati

1467
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:08,320
Speaker 2: Bengals as a rookie out of the University of Florida,

1468
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:14,120
Speaker 2: and he said something very.

1469
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:16,200
Speaker 1: Interesting on this interview.

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01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:24,599
Speaker 2: Diana Ross sang the national anthem Super Bowl sixteen at

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01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:28,000
Speaker 2: the Pontiac Silver Dome, and collin's Worth is talking about this.

1472
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 2: She walked right in front of our bench. Diana Ross

1473
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:40,519
Speaker 2: was this close in front of me, and he put

1474
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:45,360
Speaker 2: his hands about two feet apart. So we're all sitting there,

1475
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:50,240
Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Bengals, We're all sitting there with our mouths open,

1476
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:55,679
Speaker 2: and we go in at halftime down twenty to nothing.

1477
01:23:57,640 --> 01:24:01,840
Speaker 2: Final score the San Francisco forty nine ers twenty six

1478
01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:09,599
Speaker 2: Bengals twenty one. If she would have walked in front

1479
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:14,559
Speaker 2: of the forty nine ers bench, dot dot dot. In

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01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:18,120
Speaker 2: other words, he said it was kind of the Diana

1481
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:23,439
Speaker 2: Ross deal. So bottom line, the Bengals were freaked out

1482
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:30,760
Speaker 2: by the superstar singer, entertainer and actress Diana Ross and

1483
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:34,519
Speaker 2: they really never fully recovered. So we can blame Diana

1484
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:41,360
Speaker 2: Ross for helping the Bengals lose Super Bowl sixteen. But,

1485
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:45,240
Speaker 2: like collins Worth said, it's the energy that comes from

1486
01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:53,000
Speaker 2: live television that doesn't exist anywhere else, And they're trying

1487
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:59,760
Speaker 2: for the perfect game to call tomorrow. Very difficult to do.

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01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:05,160
Speaker 2: No one is perfect, but Collinsworth said, it's just like

1489
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:09,680
Speaker 2: playing in the game when you are announcing it on television.

1490
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:12,760
Speaker 2: Once again, it's the energy that comes from live television.

1491
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:18,720
Speaker 2: Colins Were said that doesn't exist anywhere else. Well, I

1492
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:26,280
Speaker 2: thought this was the game where the Miami RedHawks would

1493
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:29,759
Speaker 2: meet kind of their waterloo. I thought going into Huntington,

1494
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:31,840
Speaker 2: West Virginia might do it.

1495
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:36,919
Speaker 1: But no. The twenty three the twenty third.

1496
01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:42,719
Speaker 2: Ranked Red Hawks chop down Marshall ninety to seventy four,

1497
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:48,720
Speaker 2: Ian Elmer with eighteen points, Peter Souter was seventeen, and

1498
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:54,439
Speaker 2: the RedHawks are twenty four and zero. The world's largest

1499
01:25:54,439 --> 01:25:57,680
Speaker 2: living room is no more Malette Hall. You used to

1500
01:25:57,680 --> 01:26:00,160
Speaker 2: be able to take a pillow and a blanket to

1501
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:02,080
Speaker 2: the upper deck and take a little nap.

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01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:03,879
Speaker 1: Not anymore.

1503
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:10,559
Speaker 2: The place gets packed out and absolutely love it, bringing

1504
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:16,400
Speaker 2: back memories of the Wally Zerbiak led Miami run in

1505
01:26:16,439 --> 01:26:20,400
Speaker 2: the NCAA Tournament in nineteen ninety nine.

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01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:22,200
Speaker 1: Well.

1507
01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:25,120
Speaker 2: When the Cincinnati Reds hit at least one home run

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01:26:25,160 --> 01:26:29,080
Speaker 2: in a game last season, they were fifty eight and

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01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:33,880
Speaker 2: thirty six. When they didn't hit a home run in

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01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:39,120
Speaker 2: a game, they were twenty five and forty four. So

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01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:45,040
Speaker 2: it was extremely clear this offseason that the Reds needed

1512
01:26:45,080 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 2: a power bat in the middle of that lineup. Elie

1513
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:51,360
Speaker 2: de la Cruz led the team in home runs with

1514
01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:54,479
Speaker 2: twenty two and only hit one in the second half

1515
01:26:54,479 --> 01:26:56,880
Speaker 2: of the season, and he led the team with eighty

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01:26:56,920 --> 01:27:06,040
Speaker 2: six RBIs enter au Haannio Suarez. He's back home a

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01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:13,599
Speaker 2: favorite son. Red's investing fifteen million in Swarez this year

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01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:17,840
Speaker 2: and there's a mutual option for sixteen million next year

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01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:23,679
Speaker 2: for Swarez and yes, uh, my colleague at the Dayton

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01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:27,639
Speaker 2: Daily News, Hal McCoy said Sworez is a reasonable fac

1521
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:33,040
Speaker 2: simile of the Babe Kyle Schwarber. Schwarber hit fifty six

1522
01:27:33,080 --> 01:27:35,400
Speaker 2: home runs and drove in one hundred and thirty three.

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01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:39,880
Speaker 2: Sworez hit forty nine home runs and drove in one

1524
01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:45,240
Speaker 2: hundred and eighteen. The trouble is both strike out a lot.

1525
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:48,760
Speaker 2: Swore As one hundred and ninety nine times Schwarber one

1526
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 2: hundred and ninety seven, and both have low batting averages.

1527
01:27:53,439 --> 01:27:58,840
Speaker 2: Schwarber hit two forty, Sworez two twenty eight. Both have

1528
01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:06,120
Speaker 2: defensive efficiencies best suited really for the designated hitter role.

1529
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:10,920
Speaker 2: Now we'll see if au Hanio warms up to be

1530
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:16,000
Speaker 2: in the DH. To me, his signing is a little

1531
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:18,120
Speaker 2: bit of a wake up call for key Brian Hayes,

1532
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:24,240
Speaker 2: Gold Glove winner at third base, But if his batting

1533
01:28:24,280 --> 01:28:29,679
Speaker 2: average is below or near the Mendoza line at two hundred,

1534
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:35,959
Speaker 2: the Reds might definitely consider Sworez playing third base, although

1535
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:40,680
Speaker 2: not as well as keep Brian Hayes.

1536
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:43,920
Speaker 1: Who's just an unbelievable fielder. We saw that last year.

1537
01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:50,120
Speaker 2: A couple of other items I want to get to here.

1538
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:56,519
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame manager former Pittsburgh Pirates skipper Jim Leland

1539
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:04,320
Speaker 2: has been diagnosed with stage four lung cancer. He managed

1540
01:29:04,360 --> 01:29:07,639
Speaker 2: the Pirates for eleven seasons from nineteen eighty six through

1541
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:12,120
Speaker 2: ninety six, won four consecutive National League East Division titles.

1542
01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:15,720
Speaker 2: He was named National League Manager of the Year for

1543
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:19,040
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety and nineteen ninety two, beating out Cincinnati's Loop

1544
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:25,040
Speaker 2: Panela in nineteen ninety, but he was h. Leland was

1545
01:29:25,080 --> 01:29:34,479
Speaker 2: an absolute writer's dream. And Sonny Folks, publisher of Pressprosmagazine

1546
01:29:34,479 --> 01:29:39,840
Speaker 2: dot com, which is a terrific website, was once a

1547
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:46,519
Speaker 2: minor league umpire in work games that Leland managed, and

1548
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:49,719
Speaker 2: Sonny said he was tough on umpires, and you knew

1549
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:52,839
Speaker 2: if he didn't like you. But he was the fairest

1550
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:57,000
Speaker 2: manager I ever worked with. He would come out and say,

1551
01:29:57,200 --> 01:29:59,280
Speaker 2: just tell me you missed the call, and you won't

1552
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:02,280
Speaker 2: see me again. And he was true to his word.

1553
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:08,519
Speaker 2: But Leland was a chainsmoker, and he often smoked in

1554
01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:12,080
Speaker 2: the dugout. And during a game in the Class A

1555
01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:15,880
Speaker 2: Florida State League, Leland sprinted out of the dugout to

1556
01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:22,320
Speaker 2: dispute a call, and Sonny Falk said he forgot he

1557
01:30:22,439 --> 01:30:27,040
Speaker 2: had a lit cigarette in his hand, so on his way.

1558
01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:29,080
Speaker 1: Out, he stuck it in.

1559
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:32,559
Speaker 2: His back pocket of his double knit uniform and it

1560
01:30:32,680 --> 01:30:35,360
Speaker 2: burned a hole in the back of his pants. And

1561
01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:39,480
Speaker 2: he wasn't wearing anything underneath the pants but a jockstrap.

1562
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:49,120
Speaker 2: So just an incredibly colorful character. Jimmy Leland fighting fighting cancer.

1563
01:30:52,240 --> 01:30:52,760
Speaker 1: One or two.

1564
01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:58,960
Speaker 2: Give congratulations to Scott Rogers. You heard Bill Cunningham saying

1565
01:30:59,160 --> 01:31:04,439
Speaker 2: the praises of Scott Rodgers, the long time Mount Notre

1566
01:31:04,520 --> 01:31:11,400
Speaker 2: Dame women's basketball coach, entering the Ohio Basketball Hall of Fame,

1567
01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:16,680
Speaker 2: and along with him, the voice of the Buckeyes, Paul Keels,

1568
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:22,280
Speaker 2: and I also want to give some praise for another

1569
01:31:22,360 --> 01:31:28,280
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame member this year, Ray Darringer, being inducted

1570
01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:30,960
Speaker 2: into the Ohio Basketball Hall of Fame Class of twenty

1571
01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:36,040
Speaker 2: twenty six for achievement in men's college coaching in the

1572
01:31:36,160 --> 01:31:39,640
Speaker 2: Enshrinement ceremony of Saturday, June sixth at the Hilton Polaris

1573
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:48,240
Speaker 2: in Columbus. Ray is a native of Wapakaneta, Ohio, a

1574
01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:51,720
Speaker 2: star at the University of Dayton, where he graduated in

1575
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:56,840
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty six, and he coached, got his coach and

1576
01:31:56,880 --> 01:32:02,479
Speaker 2: started at Elder High School. He was also an assistant

1577
01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:07,400
Speaker 2: at the University of Cincinnati during UC's big time heyday

1578
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:10,040
Speaker 2: in the early sixties when they won back to back

1579
01:32:10,360 --> 01:32:13,800
Speaker 2: national championships in nineteen sixty one in nineteen sixty two.

1580
01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:18,520
Speaker 2: But Ray became the head coach at Cleveland State University

1581
01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:23,400
Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty nine, and he guided the Vikings in

1582
01:32:23,439 --> 01:32:29,559
Speaker 2: their daunting transition to NCAA Division One status. They didn't

1583
01:32:29,560 --> 01:32:32,840
Speaker 2: have a home arena, they didn't have a place to practice,

1584
01:32:32,840 --> 01:32:38,280
Speaker 2: They had to go to high schools, and they finally

1585
01:32:38,360 --> 01:32:43,880
Speaker 2: had a gymnasium at Cleveland State called Woodland Gym, and

1586
01:32:43,960 --> 01:32:48,880
Speaker 2: sometimes they played their games downtown Cleveland at the Public Hall.

1587
01:32:49,000 --> 01:32:52,640
Speaker 2: But Ray spent fourteen seasons at Cleveland States as their

1588
01:32:52,680 --> 01:32:56,000
Speaker 2: head coach and was inducted into the Vikings Hall of

1589
01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:59,960
Speaker 2: Fame in nineteen sixty eight, and a whole bunch of

1590
01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:03,280
Speaker 2: folks on the West Side where he coached at Elder

1591
01:33:04,160 --> 01:33:07,400
Speaker 2: got his career started, and his kids went to Saint

1592
01:33:07,479 --> 01:33:11,160
Speaker 2: William's School and Elder High School, and all of us

1593
01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:16,120
Speaker 2: Elder Panther fans were absolutely crushed when Ray moved to

1594
01:33:16,160 --> 01:33:20,080
Speaker 2: Cleveland because he had to take his son, Rodney, who

1595
01:33:20,160 --> 01:33:23,759
Speaker 2: was a star at Elder his sophomore year, and then

1596
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:27,240
Speaker 2: wound up taking him to Cleveland. I believe he wound

1597
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:31,559
Speaker 2: up at Cleveland's. It was either Saint Ed's or Lake Yeah,

1598
01:33:31,600 --> 01:33:34,680
Speaker 2: Lakewood Saint Ads, I believe. But Rodney came back to

1599
01:33:34,760 --> 01:33:38,200
Speaker 2: Miami University and was a three year letterman for the

1600
01:33:39,200 --> 01:33:44,160
Speaker 2: varsity basketball team at Miami University. So Ray Darringer still

1601
01:33:44,200 --> 01:33:47,920
Speaker 2: alive down in South Carolina at the age of ninety four,

1602
01:33:48,760 --> 01:33:52,880
Speaker 2: and after his coaching career, he was a longtime NBA

1603
01:33:53,000 --> 01:34:00,800
Speaker 2: scout with the Dallas Mavericks. So just just a phenomenal

1604
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:07,360
Speaker 2: guy and a great family. So I want to thank

1605
01:34:07,640 --> 01:34:18,480
Speaker 2: today's guests. Doctor Mark Cormier, just absolutely phenomenal talking about

1606
01:34:19,439 --> 01:34:22,880
Speaker 2: the whole idea was you know, one point seven six

1607
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:27,960
Speaker 2: billion dollars is the money that's expected to be legally

1608
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:33,240
Speaker 2: wagered on the Super Bowl by sixty eight million American adults.

1609
01:34:34,160 --> 01:34:37,880
Speaker 2: And that's a staggering number. It's a record number. And

1610
01:34:37,920 --> 01:34:41,880
Speaker 2: that's just the legal money. There's thirty eight states that

1611
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:50,720
Speaker 2: have legalized wagering. Hawaii and Utah do not and they

1612
01:34:50,760 --> 01:34:56,719
Speaker 2: probably never will, but other states, you know, folks are gambling.

1613
01:35:00,439 --> 01:35:01,799
Speaker 1: So it's a staggering number.

1614
01:35:01,840 --> 01:35:06,559
Speaker 2: But Mark Cormier, the assistant professor at the University of Kentucky,

1615
01:35:06,640 --> 01:35:12,639
Speaker 2: talked about the connection that fans have with big games.

1616
01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:15,040
Speaker 2: They want to have a stake in it, they want

1617
01:35:15,080 --> 01:35:19,680
Speaker 2: to have feel a part of it, and they do

1618
01:35:19,760 --> 01:35:23,599
Speaker 2: that by wagering. And yes, the endorphins will be going

1619
01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:30,439
Speaker 2: wild tomorrow for millions of fans worldwide. Watching Super Bowl sixty.

1620
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:38,599
Speaker 2: LX are the Roman numerals L for fifty, X for ten.

1621
01:35:39,200 --> 01:35:44,759
Speaker 2: It's already Super Bowl sixty and Jack gam Browne joined

1622
01:35:44,840 --> 01:35:48,360
Speaker 2: us to talk all things Vince Lombardi. That's the trophy

1623
01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:57,759
Speaker 2: that the Super Bowl winning team wins. And thinking back

1624
01:35:58,720 --> 01:36:04,000
Speaker 2: and I talked about this last week Super Bowl three,

1625
01:36:04,200 --> 01:36:08,000
Speaker 2: Joe Namath and the New York Jets knocking off the NFL.

1626
01:36:08,760 --> 01:36:15,840
Speaker 1: It was the AFL and NFL Championship and the New.

1627
01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:20,160
Speaker 2: York Jets defeat the Baltimore Colts sixteen to seven, and

1628
01:36:20,200 --> 01:36:24,400
Speaker 2: it's arguably the most important game played in NFL history

1629
01:36:24,520 --> 01:36:28,519
Speaker 2: because that gave the AFL legitimacy leading up to the

1630
01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:29,840
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy.

1631
01:36:29,560 --> 01:36:32,000
Speaker 1: Merger between the two leagues.

1632
01:36:33,479 --> 01:36:35,479
Speaker 2: Well, I want to take this opportunity to thank all

1633
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:38,600
Speaker 2: the loyal listeners, all the chick Magnets out there, and

1634
01:36:38,760 --> 01:36:42,360
Speaker 2: especially uh. I want to thank our producer Russ Jackson

1635
01:36:44,040 --> 01:36:46,759
Speaker 2: for keeping the chickster off, the legend in the fairway

1636
01:36:47,640 --> 01:36:51,000
Speaker 2: and until next time, this is the Chickster chick Ludwig

1637
01:36:51,080 --> 01:36:54,040
Speaker 2: saying thanks for listening to the Home of the Reds

1638
01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:58,080
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