1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:00,360 Speaker 1: On it. 2 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 2: M Kevin Siefert in studio seven to One Guy writes, Dan, 3 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 2: I'm throwing the flag here. Media should be held to 4 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 2: Connell won and be able to handle the questions for 5 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 2: their decisions same way they demand the coaches and players 6 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 2: that they cover and rightly savage them when they don't. 7 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 2: I get his point, and I'm actually I'm fine with that. 8 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 2: But what the problem I have with the climate we're 9 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 2: in now is I just there we have people who 10 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 2: are we just aren't going to accept it. You know, 11 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 2: because in baseball, the strategy you're talking about. 12 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 3: I used to vote. 13 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:57,959 Speaker 2: I don't vote anymore, but and I know I never 14 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 2: adopted this strategy, but there were people who've done it 15 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 2: for a long time that we're very strategic for the 16 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 2: what you laid out earlier that they said, well, so 17 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 2: and so is going to get in, Willie Mays is 18 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 2: going to get in. So I'm going to pick a 19 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 2: couple other people that I think are worthy just to 20 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 2: try to give them a little bit of a boost. 21 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 2: Once upon a time, people sort of accepted that as 22 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 2: a possibility. Today in this environment, they don't. Yeah, well no, 23 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 2: you're either good enough for you or not good enough 24 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 2: and it's like, well maybe, but maybe it depends on 25 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,759 Speaker 2: how you handle how you believe you should handle your vote. 26 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 2: And as long as you have a vote that's legal, 27 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 2: that's not against the rules. 28 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:37,199 Speaker 3: Yeah. 29 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: And then on the transparency part, like you can either 30 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: if the person, if you demand transparency and then the 31 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: voter tells you what they voted for and why are 32 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: you accepting that? Or you just like if they're exactly, 33 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: if they're if their explanation doesn't fit what you wanted 34 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: to happen, are you've I mean, is that like what what? 35 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: What good has that person done by being transparent? And 36 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: then but some people might be, oh, I see what 37 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: you're saying. Okay, I get that. I appreciate I don't agree, 38 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: but I appreciate you, right, And that still exists in 39 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: the world. And like i'd argue that, I would argue 40 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: that when we quote unquote demand transparency from at least 41 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 1: as a reporter, from the head coach for example, you know, 42 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,519 Speaker 1: why did you, you know, make that call that didn't work? 43 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 2: Why did you throw on second and one? Yeah, that 44 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 2: one in particular my favorite. 45 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: And then yes, because that and that's exactly and we 46 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,399 Speaker 1: and you and then he explains it, and it might 47 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: be something you might still be unsatisfied after that answer, 48 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 1: or you might disagree. But like, and that's where I've 49 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,519 Speaker 1: run into issues with with fans or the readers or 50 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 1: audience or whatever, is like, you know, you didn't push 51 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: him hard enough. 52 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 3: No, I got the answer. I got his. 53 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,959 Speaker 1: Explanation for you. You just didn't like it, which is 54 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: your right. But I am not gonna then go back 55 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:56,959 Speaker 1: and I would. 56 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 2: I would think you would say, and you can judge 57 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 2: the answer, and it's it's unsatisfactory, Yeah, because I didn't 58 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 2: ask three more questions. 59 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 3: Doesn't what they mean? 60 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 2: I disagree with you, Like it's out there, I got 61 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 2: we got it out there. 62 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 3: Now you you evaluate. 63 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he and and and yes, and like 64 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: to go back and then say like, no, that's that 65 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: answer is not good enough. 66 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 3: Do it again, you know, but why did you think 67 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 3: you know? No, he gave his ant. 68 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: I mean, if you know, the times that I think 69 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: people go back at coaches or gms or players is 70 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: when they don't answer it and when they just say, like, 71 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: you know something that is not an answer. But as 72 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 1: long as they get provided, yeah, what they're willing to 73 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: explain about the situation, Like, I don't know, that's where 74 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: the rub is about the transparency for me is that 75 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: that's still doesn't seem to be satisfying to many people anymore. 76 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 2: No, it definitely is is not. And that's the part 77 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 2: that confounds me. Now, there has been a debate forever 78 00:03:55,080 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 2: on whether the pro flip the Hall of Fame voting 79 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 2: system in terms of the number of voters period is 80 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 2: too closed, that it's too small, certainly. 81 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 3: Compared to baseball. It's a completely different system. 82 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 2: And you could you could argue that with baseball you 83 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 2: have enough people voting that a lot of biases, the 84 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 2: power of a lot of biases might be reduced, canceled 85 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 2: out and canceled out, whereas. 86 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 3: In football it's pretty tight. 87 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 2: Still, I don't know if we've talked about this over 88 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 2: the years or not, but what what do you say 89 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 2: to that that that may be a separate question, but 90 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 2: I'm kind of curious to know what you think about 91 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 2: the system in general. 92 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, pardon me, thinks that like, no matter 93 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: what system you do, that will there will it'll be imperfect. 94 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 3: I know it'll be imperfect. There are no perfect systems. 95 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, so, and and people might come back and say, well, 96 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 1: you shouldn't be doing it that way, you should be 97 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: doing it this way, and like there's always going to 98 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: be uh discussion. I actually like we've in a very 99 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: different level, we've gone back and forth in our group 100 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: at ESPN about how to do power rankings, because we've 101 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 1: had it years where we've just had like a group 102 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: of like five people and it's just a tight group 103 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 1: that pay attention and and you know, come up with 104 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: their listing of who the best teams were the first, 105 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: you know, in week six. And then we've also done 106 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: it where we've tried to get we have like an 107 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: app where you anybody at the company can vote, and 108 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 1: like the idea is the more people that get in 109 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: there and you can vote as many times as you want, 110 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: and like that that will actually from us if you're 111 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: like a person who's educated in how to do statistics, 112 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 1: I guess like that's a better, sometimes considered a better 113 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: way of coming to a consensus. I don't you know, 114 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: fifty to me, like that's the one person from each 115 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: market plus eighteen people at large, and you know, and 116 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: if those people are like highly connected and it's their 117 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 1: job every day to cover football or be around football. 118 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 3: In the case of like a. 119 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: Tony Dungee who is one of the voters, or Dan 120 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: Foutz I think is one of the voters, then I 121 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 1: think is a number that like I I trust those 122 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 1: people to know who the hall who the people are? 123 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: You know, do I trust all fifty of them to 124 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: do the right thing with that information? And I guess 125 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: that becomes another question. But I you know, I do 126 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 1: think that there's something to be said for, at least 127 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: from a statistical standpoint of the larger the the field, 128 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: the more the more likely you are to get a 129 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 1: good consensus at least of of of each class. 130 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 2: Well, I just saw I was chuckling because at your 131 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 2: network just it was just on the screen moments ago. 132 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 3: We're now at the Senior Bowl. 133 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 2: I love the Senior Bowl the way it looks chilly, though, 134 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 2: where is the senor Alabama? Yea, so it's been while 135 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 2: it's been kind of cold in the South through all 136 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 2: this nonsense, this this last couple of weeks anyway, But 137 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 2: you just your your network just had a grid had 138 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 2: a chart up that listed the the I think five 139 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 2: different coaching categories having to do with victories, Super Bowls, 140 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 2: et cetera, in which he's number one or number two 141 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 2: all time, and shockingly he's number one and number two 142 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 2: or number two in all of them. And I just 143 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 2: that's what makes me chuckle. It's like, well, no, you 144 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 2: don't have to put that up there. It's almost like 145 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 2: to say, well, this is how absurd it is. Look 146 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 2: at all the first seat, Well, we already were. We 147 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 2: kind of know that, don't we. This is bigger than that, 148 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 2: for whatever it's worth. And by the way, I understand 149 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 2: there's going to be reaction. It's hard not to react 150 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 2: when Belichick doesn't get in. But I've always had a 151 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 2: different philosophy in voting. The obsession. For example, in baseball voting, 152 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 2: it's not just enough your first ballot Hall of Famer, 153 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 2: who didn't vote for you? 154 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 3: How many? 155 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 2: You know, like, if you don't get unanimity, if your 156 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 2: three votes short of that, who are these people and 157 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 2: what are they up to? 158 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 3: This is a relatively new. 159 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 2: Trend, I think, yeah, And I don't know what it's 160 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 2: in search of. 161 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 3: I don't know what the pursuit is. 162 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: I think it's it's just fallen into the debate culture 163 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: of what sports has largely become or the sports coverage 164 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,559 Speaker 1: has hadly become and sports coverage has become that because 165 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: there's a lot of indications from the audience that that's 166 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: what they want and that's what they like, and so 167 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: it's not as if somebody just kind of invented that approach. 168 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: But ultimately people wanted to argue about who was better? 169 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 3: You know who? You know who? 170 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: You know, there's all these guys eligible for the Hall 171 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: of Fame this year, like who are the best five? 172 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 3: You know? 173 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: Who was the who are the best players of all time? 174 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: Who deserves to be one of the best, who doesn't 175 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: deserve that? And so the Hall of Fame. I remember, 176 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: and I remember when this started becoming a thing. It 177 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 1: was like sort of just in the beginning of the 178 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: social media era, in the latest two thousand, you know, 179 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: like two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine, And 180 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: I remember I was, I was doing the NSC North blog, 181 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: and you know, we were trying to come up with 182 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: things to write about during a time when there wasn't much. 183 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: So I kind of went through the four your teams 184 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: and tried to find people who maybe should make the 185 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame or not and just did a just 186 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: did kind of innocent posts on that and. 187 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 3: They little did you know, the engagement was. 188 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: Wild and we were like, people, really, do people really 189 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: care that much about like I mean, I know if 190 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: you're you know, Steve Hutchinson, that you deeply cared about 191 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: whether you got into the Hall of Fame because it, 192 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: you know, it's an unbelievably awesome award. But like, do 193 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: people at large really care about who is in the 194 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame or not? And and and there's some 195 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: that do, but I think there's tons who just love 196 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: the idea of you know, what did how good was 197 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: this person? And was he better than that person or not? 198 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 1: And so that that's where the Hall of Fame uh, 199 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: you know discussion kind of veered is when it became 200 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: engulfed in the larger debate culture of sports. I don't 201 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: want to say sports coverage. I think it's you know, 202 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: people in bars talk about that. Like it doesn't have 203 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: to be led by sports coverage. It just is a 204 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: natural thing that people want to argue and talk about. 205 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 2: All right, let's get caught up one more break and 206 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 2: we'll go to the bottom of the hour with a 207 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 2: little more. There's some good vikings questions coming in, so 208 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 2: we'll get to some of those as well and maybe 209 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 2: leave the Hall of Fame discussion behind. Kevin Steafford is 210 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 2: in studio. Kessler will join at about five thirty. Also 211 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 2: from our studio statement, never. 212 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 4: Missed a chance to know what the latest sports news 213 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 4: is in town, chances to win tickets, or just knowing 214 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 4: what's going on with your favorite KFA shows. You can 215 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 4: follow KFA N one zero zero three on all of 216 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 4: our social channels like Instagram, TikTok, and x stay connected 217 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 4: and follow the sports leader the fan. 218 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 2: Tom from Savage wants to know Kevin stefferd do you 219 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,959 Speaker 2: prefer two word responses or two minute word salad answers 220 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 2: at pres conference? 221 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 3: That might be his way to kind of defend Belly 222 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 3: a little bit. I don't know if. 223 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 1: That's take two minutes over and I don't I don't 224 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: say that just because of the current circumstance. I think 225 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: there's an effort being made there to answer thoroughly, and 226 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 1: sometimes it's more successful than others. Maybe, but the two 227 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: word answers don't do a whole lot for us. 228 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,359 Speaker 2: Dan, I think you're missing the point here. Bill Belichick 229 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 2: ran the football effectively. 230 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 3: He should be a Hall of Famer in your book. 231 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 3: Good point. 232 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 2: Although he threw a lot with Brady eventually, right, I 233 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 2: mean he started out running, but they threw a bunch. 234 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 3: He threw for five thousand yards one fifty touchdowns. Is 235 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 3: that true? I don't even remember. 236 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: That wasn't Randy's ross first year he threw for It's insane, 237 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: broke the damn Arena record. 238 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 3: I could be wrong, but I thought that's what happened. 239 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:38,959 Speaker 2: D w Well, you asked Seaffert what the off season 240 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 2: plan really seriously is for JJ? Are they having him 241 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 2: work with the QB coach who work with Josh Allen 242 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 2: on mechanics for example? 243 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 3: Because we did there was. 244 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 2: A lot of talk during the season of some of 245 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 2: the stuff that needs to get better is the stuff 246 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 2: you tend to associate with off season. So do you 247 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 2: know anything about how intensive our plan is or what 248 00:11:58,400 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 2: their approach is likely to be. 249 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: Well, there's a certain I mean, there's certain limitations in 250 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: terms of what coaches can do with players in the 251 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 1: off season in terms of timing from the CBA. But 252 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: I think I don't have like really specific details, but 253 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 1: I think that there's been it's been strongly recommended and 254 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: strongly accepted that there's going to have to be an 255 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: intense effort on his part to really lock in the 256 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: precepts that they were pushing, you know that and have 257 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 1: been pushing since he got here in terms of his 258 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 1: mechanics and things that kind of I think we all 259 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: agreed got a little bit on the wayside when he 260 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: was spent a year on injo reserve. So that's definitely 261 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 1: an emphasis here in the you know, there's really nothing 262 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: he can do with coaches, the Vikings coaches until April 263 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: in terms of the in terms of the. 264 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 3: Time it changed. 265 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're used to And it's interesting because Aaron Rodgers 266 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: has talked about his time in the Mike McCarthy quarterback 267 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,839 Speaker 1: School that was able to exist in the off season 268 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: in Green Bay during the you know, the late two thousands, 269 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: and then they would just the quarterbacks. It wouldn't really 270 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: necessarily be a lot of the other players on the roster, 271 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 1: but the quarterbacks would be in every day doing quarterbacks school, 272 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: and that's what they called it. And so that just 273 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: doesn't exist because of the CBA change in twenty eleven 274 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: and that, you know, so it's up to players and 275 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: agents to you know, find ways to to to do 276 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: that on their own. And I'm sure JJ will I 277 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: don't think that he you know, I didn't sense any 278 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: resistance on his part. 279 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:36,959 Speaker 3: Too to that idea. 280 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: I think he you know, what he said, what JJ 281 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: said during the season is it's hard to change, you know, 282 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: you don't change your clubs on the twelfth hole, as 283 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: was the quote that he said. And I took that 284 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: to mean like, in the middle of the season, as 285 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 1: you're going through, you're not going to change your arm angle, 286 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 1: You're not going to change your footwork. But and so 287 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 1: I think that is definitely on the table. I think 288 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: it's going to be a priority. You know, we'll see 289 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 1: what the execution of it ends up being. But I 290 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: don't think that it's like that was just people saying 291 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: that and they're not going to follow through with it. 292 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 2: You cannot rewrite history. We've talked and you've written extensively 293 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 2: over the last year about the quarterback options, the deliberations 294 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 2: for the Vikings when they ultimately chose to not really 295 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 2: compete in any meaningful. 296 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 3: Way to bring back Sam Darnold. 297 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 2: However, you can make the argument, as your former colleague, 298 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 2: my former colleague, Chip Skoggins did that the mistake was 299 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 2: to not find a compromise in the middle, and the 300 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 2: compromise in the middle that he wrote about was franchising him, 301 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 2: which isn't cheap, but is not a three year commit 302 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 2: one hundred million dollar commitment. 303 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 3: Either. 304 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 2: You do lose some money and you can't get everybody 305 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 2: that you want. My recollection to what I said was, 306 00:14:58,000 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 2: you can't give. 307 00:14:58,600 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 3: Them the big deal. 308 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 2: I'm down on him the way it ended, but I 309 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 2: probably would consider franchising him, no matter whether that hurt 310 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 2: his feelings or not. I didn't go fall hard with it, 311 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 2: but I think I at least introduced it so as 312 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 2: a compromise something that the team could have done. I 313 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 2: want you to speak to that, whether you think they 314 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 2: even thought at any point thought long and hard at 315 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 2: that at being a way out of the box where 316 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 2: you're not committing forever to him, but you're saying, we're 317 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 2: going to try to follow up as bad as it 318 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 2: ended here and we'll go ahead and bite the bullet 319 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 2: for the one year deal. 320 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, the franchise tag would have been still with the 321 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: idea that eventually JJ McCarthy is going to be this 322 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: team's quarterback. I don't think they gave it serious thought 323 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: because I think, and we've talked about this, they I know, 324 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: they thought they had an excellent chance to get Daniel Billins. Yeah, 325 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: and so if we're ranking, you know, the misjudgments or 326 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: the mistakes or however you want it to, whatever term 327 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: you want to use, the first mistake that I see it, 328 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: you know, from what I have been able to report 329 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: out and know, is that they put way too much 330 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: belief into that eventual conclusion. Because if they had and 331 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: they you know, if they Daniel Jones would have been 332 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: a certainly a less awkward situation to be in, and 333 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: it would have been probably pretty productive if he had 334 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: eventually gotten on the field based on how he played 335 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: for the Colts, and it would have been cheaper, you know, frankly, 336 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: it would have been in the you know, fifteen million 337 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: dollar range as opposed to the forty million dollar range. 338 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: And basically all the things, all the possible outcomes of 339 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: most of the decisions they made around that, which also 340 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: included the ability to sign some other veterans to stack 341 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: up the offense around him, most of those outcomes didn't 342 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: work out well. So whether it was signing Ryan Kelly 343 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: to be the center and he ends up only playing 344 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: eight games because of injuries or some of the money 345 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 1: they spent on the defensive tackles that maybe they didn't 346 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,199 Speaker 1: get as much of a of a bang for the 347 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 1: buck as they hoped to. But uh, you know, they 348 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 1: they that that is why they did it, and I 349 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,719 Speaker 1: think if they look back on it, they'd say, well, 350 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: if we knew Daniel Jones was not coming back, we 351 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: maybe we would have franchised him. But it never became 352 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: something that they gave serious thoughts to because that they 353 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 1: thought that's what was gonna. 354 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:33,360 Speaker 2: But again, I don't you know, I don't know how 355 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:35,959 Speaker 2: effective it is to re litigate all this because it's 356 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 2: smoot now. But helped me out on the timing. I mean, 357 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 2: was it set up in a way where I mean 358 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 2: it was dangerous to assume that you're gonna get Daniel Jones, 359 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 2: that that you can't If you can't count on it, 360 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 2: then we got a problem. 361 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 1: I mean, they like it would certainly have been dangerous 362 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: to assume it if he hadn't been in the building, 363 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 1: because like if he was just had been a free 364 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: agent or been the Giants court on the Giants roster 365 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: for the end that season, that's one thing. But they 366 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: they had him in and he was on the practice 367 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: squad for for six weeks and then through the you know, 368 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: through into the playoff game, and so that interaction and 369 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: that you know that the time they spent together obviously 370 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: made the Vikings feel pretty good about it, and. 371 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 3: You know, they they just misjudged it. 372 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: And so, you know, I think from from Daniel Jones' perspective, 373 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: as it had always been, you know, business is business, 374 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: you know. And I don't know that he necessarily had 375 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: anything like keeping him out of Minister Like there wasn't 376 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: like there was something he disliked or thought that wasn't 377 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: a good set up for him. It's just he just 378 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: knew that that he felt and I think he was 379 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: right that the Colts situation was better, and so it 380 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: was it was in retrospect certainly they they misjudged it, 381 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 1: but I think that like they probably felt like they 382 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: had enough time with him to feel pretty good about it. 383 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 3: Do they do Seattle? 384 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,239 Speaker 2: When you see what they've done, you could say it's 385 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,120 Speaker 2: a different a little bit of a different landscape. Well, 386 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 2: they ultimately beat the same team that beat a similar team, 387 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 2: the team that beat the Vikings last last year in 388 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 2: the playoffs, killed the Vikings last year the playoffs. Is 389 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 2: there something about the Seattle infrastructure offensively that you think 390 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 2: explains why Darnold has looked it looked so much better 391 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 2: this time around, at least his last game. Maybe not 392 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 2: the whole playoff run, but certainly this last game. Then 393 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 2: he looked with us last year. 394 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 3: I mean, I want to say that they are obviously. 395 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at the teams that had 396 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: the highest percentage of design runs over the course of 397 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,360 Speaker 1: the season, the Seahawks were right up near the top, 398 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:35,719 Speaker 1: and so he very much was in a was in 399 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: an offense that was I don't know if you want 400 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: say run base, but certainly a lot more heavily run. 401 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: But like in that overtime game against the Rams at 402 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: the end of the regular season that got the Seahawks 403 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 1: the division title, and then this most recent one, I mean. 404 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 3: He was he was like they were, He was dealing, 405 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 3: like he was throwing. 406 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 1: He was here for three hundred and fifty yards in 407 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:01,479 Speaker 1: the NFC Championship, no picks, three touchdowns, So he you know, 408 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: he did lead the league in turnovers this year, and 409 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,959 Speaker 1: that was an issue at different times for him, uh, 410 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: with the Vikings in twenty twenty four. But if you're 411 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: asking like, what, yeah, I don't know if I have 412 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 1: enough x's and o's expertise to say that here are 413 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 1: the reasons why he was able to to continue to 414 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: throw the ball really well into the playoffs with the 415 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: Seahawks then with the Vikings, other than the fact that 416 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: you know, they had a structure that was set up 417 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: there that you know, they could rely on the run 418 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: more than that twenty fourth Vikings team. 419 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 2: We're going to need another center, right, I would assume. So, yes, 420 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 2: so that didn't work. 421 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 1: No, that was that was a that was one of 422 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 1: the things that they were able to do with the 423 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: extra salary cap space, and that that one didn't work. 424 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 3: I guess. 425 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 1: You know, Will Frys at right guard, he managed to 426 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: play the entire season and gave them, you know, solid 427 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,400 Speaker 1: play there, you know, the two defensive tackles. I think 428 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: that you can look back and say, maybe they didn't 429 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: get as much of an impact, like big play impact 430 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 1: from those two guys as they probably hoped. But you 431 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: know it's all it's all a give and take. And 432 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 1: you know, my my point during all of this has been. 433 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 1: You know, the Vikings are going to get bashed. I mean, 434 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: people are going to see what Sam Donald has already done. 435 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: And if Sam Donald wins the Super Bowl, which if 436 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 1: you hadn't noticed and checked, the Vikings have not won 437 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl, then it'll only add to that angst. 438 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: And and I totally get it, but I think people 439 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 1: should just be to the extent that they even want 440 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: to be, should be you know, clear eyed about the 441 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 1: circumstances and the context of. 442 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 3: Of why that came to be. You have them winning. 443 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard right now to say that that that 444 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 1: they shouldn't be a significant favorite. You know, I think 445 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: Mike Rabel is an awesome coach, and I think that 446 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:56,640 Speaker 1: he figures out ways, you know, little ways to uh 447 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: to to get advantages during games. And we we not 448 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 1: that not that he's doing what we were talking about 449 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: with Bill Belichick at the beginning of this of this hour, 450 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: but you know, I think he very much and he 451 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: did some of this at Tennessee too, very much as 452 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: a student of the rule book and figures out ways 453 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,439 Speaker 1: to just little things, yeah, just define things during the 454 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 1: course of a game. And so I can't rule out that, 455 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: you know, that they he can coach them into a 456 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 1: potential win, that they on paper seem to be overmatched. 457 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 3: And will you be going to the bowl? No, sir? 458 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 3: How many bulls have you covered? Have you added them up? 459 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 3: It's in the ten this range. 460 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: But I haven't been to one since the one here, 461 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: and so the way things have gone right in terms 462 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: of personnel disbursement and so, but I've I enjoyed all 463 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 1: the ones and hopefully I'll get to go to another 464 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: one sometime. Well, that would be that would be the 465 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: clearest pay for me. Yes, I think I would continue 466 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 1: to cover them into the battle. 467 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, here's thanks for the time. Yeah, thanks 468 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 2: for coming in. We appreciate it. We'll hopefully talk at 469 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 2: some point next week because there is no off season 470 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 2: for the National Football League. What did you did you 471 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 2: have something that you need to share with us? 472 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 3: Oh? 473 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 2: I thought Blake Moore had something on his mind, like 474 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 2: a breaking news story that he wanted to get to. 475 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 2: That's just the usual look on his face. Okay, he's 476 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 2: just eager. We'll get to the break. And as I mentioned, 477 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,959 Speaker 2: Kessler will join us in studio at about five thirty 478 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 2: this evening. Keep the text coming as well back in 479 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 2: just a minute. 480 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 4: Here in the Wild fans, this is your season. You 481 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 4: can experience the energy, the goals, the unforgettable moments at 482 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 4: grank you know arena. You can get your tickets now, 483 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 4: Wild dot com slash tickets to cheer on the Wild 484 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 4: this season. Wild dot com slash tickets. 485 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 3: A lot of Donald envy right now. 486 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 2: But so it has less to do with the quarterback 487 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 2: via the bratchean Brian kV In text line that it 488 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 2: does the offensive line. Let me read you a couple 489 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 2: of texts following up on our discussion with Kevin Seffert. 490 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 2: The Seattle O line is the difference for Sam last 491 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 2: year to this year, especially against the Rams. That is 492 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 2: one that's from Scott, a six point two guy, basically 493 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 2: says the same thing O line. Can you ask Kevin 494 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 2: if they asked Jones first then Donald? Or did they 495 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 2: ask Donald first? Well, I don't think it was that sequential. 496 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 2: I mean, the problem is they could have asked Jones, 497 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 2: and Jones's people could have said, we're very interested, but 498 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 2: we got to play this out a little bit. And 499 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 2: now would his representation have known immediately that the Colts 500 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 2: were as interested as he ended up being I don't 501 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 2: know that. 502 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 3: I will just say there is a risk. 503 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 2: In taking the approach that we're not gonna worry even 504 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 2: that much about considering a franchise tag on Donald because 505 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 2: we think we have a pretty good shot at Jones. 506 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 2: Having a pretty good shot at somebody is very different 507 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 2: because you can't if he's a free agent, you can't 508 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 2: control it. You have no control, You have no advantage 509 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 2: other than one could say he's been in your room 510 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 2: and perhaps you feel like, well, this is really where 511 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 2: he wants to stay. But very dangerous, I think to 512 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 2: suppose anything. I'm more into sure things. And again I 513 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 2: don't want to overplay the Donald as with franchise tag, 514 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 2: because even that has you could say, who had really 515 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 2: the stomach for that? The way it ended, I go 516 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 2: back to it was two straight bad games, right, the 517 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 2: Detroit game which was for home ice, and then the 518 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 2: Rams in the in the postseason, And my recollection was 519 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 2: I felt in one of those games it had more 520 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 2: to do with the line that it did Sam, but 521 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 2: another of the games it's headed more to do with 522 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 2: Sam uh than than the line. I don't know which 523 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 2: was which I think didn't didn't he get sacked will 524 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 2: you look up the sack totals Vikings Rams postseason game 525 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 2: a year ago, because I want to say nine times 526 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 2: we did talk about that. Yeah, uh now is that 527 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 2: play call? My guess is that's always a combination of things, 528 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 2: line play calling, quarterback. But I think part of what 529 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 2: happened to an extent in that game might have been 530 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 2: that he got traumatized because he he got hit a lot, 531 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 2: and even quarterbacks better than him it ends up sometimes having. 532 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,120 Speaker 3: A pretty significant impact. 533 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 2: So you know, again, it's just the reality the Vikings 534 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 2: reside in right now, even if it's unfair to try 535 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,679 Speaker 2: to relitigate history and to go back over it and 536 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 2: pretend that the atmosphere was different than it really was, 537 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 2: because it wasn't very pro Darnald in this town after 538 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 2: that Rams game. 539 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 3: But as long as that guy that you had. 540 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 2: Has moved on to the super Bowl with a great 541 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 2: chance to win it, and you're trying to figure out, well, 542 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 2: how much off season fundamental work can our quarterback get 543 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 2: to get us that better place? Man, That's just those 544 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 2: are different plateaus and it's got to hurt. There's not 545 00:27:55,000 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 2: any question about that. Oh this one is a callback 546 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,919 Speaker 2: to my discussion about the Wolves Warriors game that I 547 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 2: thought the second game of the two in a row, 548 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 2: which I thought was hideous, just absolutely hideous basketball. Somebody 549 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 2: has weighed in, who is there? Let me see if 550 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 2: I might have favorite of it are? Let me go 551 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 2: back to the top, because I think I did. Your 552 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,679 Speaker 2: report from the country Club on Monday night was spot on. 553 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 2: Dan The atmosphere and ball was no better from Section 554 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 2: two forty at fifty Bucks. Both teams threw guys out 555 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 2: there I've never heard of. Didn't see Draymond or Stephan 556 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 2: the building. The only time the crowd made any noise 557 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 2: was for the chicken sandwiches and a miss free throw. 558 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 3: Awful. 559 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 2: Would have rather watched Meat Sauce play badminton. Wow, that's 560 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 2: a fabian Saint. Paul Foot, commuter correspondent for the Afternoon 561 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 2: Beast program. 562 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 3: Does Meat saus play badminton? I'm certain would be a 563 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 3: sight to behold if you didn't. I loved playing badminton, 564 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 3: don't have played in years, But you ever. 565 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 4: Played badminton in gym like in high school? I feel 566 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 4: like it's been replaced with pickleball. Yeah, kind of the 567 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 4: go to it seems too. 568 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. Unfortunately, there's probably some truth to it. 569 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 2: I asked the question via x at the start of 570 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 2: the show the pregame tweet which Winter sports team needs 571 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 2: a trade more badly, the Minnesota Wild or the Minnesota Timberwolves. 572 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 2: And I think it's it's a tricky question because one 573 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 2: could make the argument that on the basis of just 574 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 2: consistency of performance, that the Wild have had a better 575 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 2: regular season. 576 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 3: Now they started badly, but now what do we have? 577 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 2: Second best record in hockey, third best record, whatever, It 578 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 2: is pretty close to the top. I mean, we're not 579 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 2: going to catch nobody's gonna catch the lance right so 580 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 2: this point and then look like that's gonna happen. But 581 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 2: the thinking it's it's it's too it's on two different 582 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 2: planes because among hockey fans, as we talked about yesterday 583 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 2: with Louie and even earlier in the show, the assumption 584 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 2: is the while are desperate to make a move, and 585 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 2: it's a big move. It would be another signature move 586 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 2: to bookend with the first signature move, if it's possible 587 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 2: to do it right. And the thinking there isn't that 588 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 2: the team would be would not make the playoffs without 589 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 2: doing so, or would be awful without doing doing so, 590 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 2: but would give itself a legitimate chance to actually get 591 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 2: out of the first round and maybe even make a run, 592 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 2: and presumably make a run more than one year in 593 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 2: a row with the Wolves. I don't think the general 594 00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 2: thinking is you're gonna make a signature move on the 595 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 2: level that's been anticipated for the Wild, but you got 596 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 2: to make even a medium to big sized move in 597 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 2: order to protect your bench. Give you the semblance of 598 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 2: the makings of a bench, because right now the Minnesotambis 599 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 2: do not have a bench. They literally do not have 600 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 2: a bench beyond nas read at least from an offensive standpoint. 601 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 2: So I'll cop out and say both, but it's with 602 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 2: different expectations because I don't like, for example, the word 603 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 2: is now. Jannis has said, I'm ready get me out 604 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 2: of Milwaukee, good run. I'm tired of it. I got 605 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 2: booed the other day in a halftime with the Wolves game. 606 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,479 Speaker 2: I just I want out someplace. The Bucks are a mess. 607 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 2: Basically ever since they've won the title, nothing has worked 608 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 2: for them, so that would be considered that's a signature guy. 609 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 2: I mean, that's a big time signature guy. My gut 610 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 2: tells me that Tim Conley being Tim Conley, he absolutely 611 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 2: would explore a move that big because you can't. You're 612 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 2: not doing your job if you do not at least 613 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 2: look into how it might be possible to acquire him 614 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 2: on this. By the same token, you're probably remaking your 615 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 2: team and that might be too big a move during 616 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 2: the season for them to really want to go down 617 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 2: that road. So in the case of the Wolves, I 618 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 2: don't expect it to be that big. But we've talked 619 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 2: a lot about Kobe White, the Bulls guard, who's an 620 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 2: expiring contract. That's a that's more than a pedestrian move. 621 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 2: It's not a honest move, obviously, but I would say 622 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 2: if you forced me to pick one or the other, 623 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 2: I actually think the Wolves need to move more badly. 624 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 2: And I know there are people out there that say, well, 625 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 2: what are they gonna do? They kind of it's more 626 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 2: about what they're doing internally and being more consistent internally, 627 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 2: And there's some truth to that regarding commitment to defensive performance. 628 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 2: But if you literally don't have anybody who can count 629 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 2: on to score off the bench, I mean, if you 630 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 2: just continue to throw out the same people, just does 631 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 2: not make any sense. So I think they are. They've 632 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 2: never replaced Nikhil. We all know why they didn't bring 633 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 2: him back. They couldn't bring everybody back. They moved aante 634 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 2: to the starting lineup. Mike Conley is having a harder 635 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 2: and harder time staying in the mix. The kids just 636 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 2: aren't doing anything yet, so you have to add somebody 637 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 2: who you can count on for Let's say you can 638 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 2: get twelve thirteen points and on a given night, maybe 639 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. The Wild I think is currently constituted, 640 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 2: aren't going to go away. But if you really are 641 00:33:55,840 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 2: talking about taking a run, is it vital that you 642 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 2: take the next step. My problem with saying yes is 643 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 2: we threw out some names yesterday. I don't think we 644 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,879 Speaker 2: know whether any of those, or how many of those 645 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 2: are available, even if we throw in the goaltender, whether 646 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 2: we can get any of those guys. So to me, 647 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 2: it's a little bit more speculative, even if I understand it. 648 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,360 Speaker 2: But in terms of let's just say the rest of 649 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 2: this regular season, I think the Wolves need to move 650 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 2: more badly and more worse than actually your wild club does. 651 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 4: It's it's too in a short term, if you're just 652 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,359 Speaker 4: looking at this season, I would say, I would agree 653 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 4: with you and say the Wolves. I think if you're 654 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 4: looking at the last five ten years, I mean, the 655 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 4: Wolves have been the. 656 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 3: Question yes going backward, no question. 657 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, I would argue that's the wild that need it socially, 658 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,760 Speaker 4: just because anything to just get out of that first 659 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 4: round with how stupid the playoff format is, that's firm. 660 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 3: So I do I think. 661 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 4: They can if they stand pat can they get out 662 00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 4: of the first round? Possibly? Probably do. I think it 663 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 4: would be much more likely if they got another big fish. 664 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,359 Speaker 4: Absolutely Where the Wolves, you know, they've kind of been 665 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 4: there and done that. They they have, They've shown that 666 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 4: they could potentially, I mean, get past It's a lot 667 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 4: easier to get past the first round in the NBA 668 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 4: than it is NHL. But getting to the Western Conference 669 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 4: finals two times in a row is no joke. No, 670 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,239 Speaker 4: that isn't any joke. Yeah, but what has you know, 671 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 4: what is the number one difference between those two teams? 672 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 2: Well, obviously they'd made a big deal between those runs 673 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 2: involving Karl Anthony Towns, who, by the way, is like 674 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 2: he's in the doghouse worse in New York every day. 675 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 3: He didn't play down the stretch of another victory. 676 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 2: It's that name is coming up a lot if the 677 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 2: Knicks are going to try to go get Yannis. 678 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 3: But I digress. 679 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,359 Speaker 2: The problem the Wolves have is if you go back 680 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,959 Speaker 2: to two years ago, their bench was solid to good 681 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:59,800 Speaker 2: even after the division the Cat deal. Remember de Vincenzo 682 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,360 Speaker 2: played off the bench last year, Nas was off the 683 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 2: bench last year and Nikhiel was off the bench last year. 684 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 2: Only one of those three are still standing, and so 685 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,280 Speaker 2: it's not the same team. 686 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 3: I don't think I. 687 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 2: Honestly don't think they can get back to the Final 688 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 2: four or beyond without trying to add some kind of 689 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 2: a bench scoring presence. 690 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 3: I just like I said, I don't see it. 691 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 2: And you can argue Mike Conley, as much as we 692 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,279 Speaker 2: respect him on this show, as important as he's been 693 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,759 Speaker 2: to this franchise, he's having a hard time right now 694 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 2: as he gets older. So that's another change from the 695 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,960 Speaker 2: last two years. Right Well, you had a better version, 696 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:42,880 Speaker 2: certainly the first of two years, you had a much 697 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 2: better version of Mike Conley, even at times. 698 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,760 Speaker 3: Last year you had a better version of Mike Conley 699 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:47,839 Speaker 3: than the one now. 700 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,759 Speaker 2: So I don't think you can just live on the 701 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,799 Speaker 2: equity of Well, I've been there twice, so guess what, 702 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 2: why do you doubt them? I don't doubt they're good. 703 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 2: I don't doubt that they're not going to fall off 704 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 2: the end of the edge of a table. But I'm saying, 705 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 2: give yourself the best chance to get back there again. 706 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 3: The numbers just don't compute. 707 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 2: This whole season was based on the hope that at 708 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 2: least one of the young guys was gonna was gonna 709 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,719 Speaker 2: make a major step forward this year, and that just 710 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 2: hasn't happened at all. There's still time for it too, 711 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 2: but I don't think it's it's likely that it would. Dan, 712 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 2: can you change your trade question to which team does 713 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 2: Minnesota need to trade to reduce our misery? Neither the 714 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 2: Wolves nor the Wild will do enough to be taken 715 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 2: seriously as a postseason threat. No wonder we talk NFL 716 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,320 Speaker 2: three hundred and sixty five days. 717 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 4: Well, it's not like the Vikings are a glowing postseason threat. 718 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:42,800 Speaker 4: I mean, can't really. 719 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 2: Well, I know, I guess he's saying that we just 720 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:48,840 Speaker 2: just not worth talking. We just keep Yeah, they're not 721 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,799 Speaker 2: worth talking about, and it's still football, So we talk 722 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,319 Speaker 2: about the Vikings even if we got a lot of 723 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,799 Speaker 2: ground to cover. Double T SAIDs get a point guard 724 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:55,840 Speaker 2: so you can free up do Ante to be a 725 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:56,839 Speaker 2: scoring pop off the bench. 726 00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,720 Speaker 3: That's a rude Paul. Uh. Yeah, Now I don't disagree 727 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 3: with that. 728 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,480 Speaker 2: However, I think they think they're getting more out of 729 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:08,279 Speaker 2: Dante as a starter, So would that be problematic they 730 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:09,239 Speaker 2: have n't go back to the bench. 731 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 3: I don't know. 732 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:14,960 Speaker 2: I just know that simple math indicates that these this 733 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,279 Speaker 2: isn't especially when you start playing better teams in the 734 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 2: postseason and longer series. It's just not going to hold 735 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,399 Speaker 2: up without some kind of added threat, doesn't. I don't 736 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 2: even think have to be a superstar player, but it 737 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,920 Speaker 2: has to be somebody. Now, if the guy is a 738 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 2: good enough guard that you end up in putting him 739 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 2: in the starting lineup, yeah, then maybe that you can 740 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,359 Speaker 2: convince Dante to come back off the bench, and you're 741 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,720 Speaker 2: they got to get one player deeper, whether it's a starter, 742 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,440 Speaker 2: which would be ideal because long term obviously eat a 743 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,960 Speaker 2: point guard so that Anthony doesn't have to do too 744 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,919 Speaker 2: much of it, or off the bench as well. 745 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,400 Speaker 3: Either way, Top five. 746 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:55,960 Speaker 4: Will include both winter squads. Proposed trades for Giannis and 747 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:57,320 Speaker 4: more Hall of Fame snubs.