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Speaker 1: This is the Mark Mann Show.

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Speaker 2: The sky is red, and I don't understand you can

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Speaker 2: three four one two wxdx. We got calls on the fifteens.

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Speaker 2: Up next, Like I said, Jari and goal tonight for Edmonton.

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Speaker 2: He's back from injury and has lost two of three since.

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Speaker 2: His numbers are okay since he got to Edmonton, but

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Speaker 2: he's not solved the problem.

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Speaker 1: It short, don't look that way. So far.

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Speaker 2: McDavid is insanely good, always has been. All he needs

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Speaker 2: is a cup, but he might not get one, even

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Speaker 2: though that well, certainly.

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Speaker 1: At one point it seemed unthinkable.

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Speaker 2: He got eighty five points in fifty one games and

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Speaker 2: he didn't even start the season off so good.

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Speaker 1: That's tied for the scoring lead with Nate Dogg.

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Speaker 2: No goals in six six games for McDavid, though, only

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Speaker 2: seven points in that stretch. That might not bode well.

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Speaker 2: He might explode McDavid. Listen to this number. McDavid has

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Speaker 2: thirty four points in seventeen games against Pittsburgh. Let me

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Speaker 2: do the math, carry the four. Yeah, that's two points

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Speaker 2: per game. He gets amped obviously to play against it.

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Speaker 2: And I get it. You come at the King and

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Speaker 2: McDavid don't miss. But he still needs that cup to

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Speaker 2: be top five. If he gets one, he is period.

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Speaker 2: If he doesn't, he might be.

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Speaker 1: But he might not be.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I'd like hockey calls for the calls

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Speaker 2: at the fifteenth segment, because everything that's been said about

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Speaker 2: the friggin coaching search has already been said. Now we

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Speaker 2: just wait and see what the freak happens. We will

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Speaker 2: have some insight though, at three point thirty, when Dulak

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Speaker 2: joins me because he says the Steelers were mega impressed

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Speaker 2: by Shieldhouse in their virtual interview. Anyway, you look at

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Speaker 2: the matchup tonight at Edmonton, I'm not talking about the teams.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about McDavid versus Crosby. You got the mega

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Speaker 2: fast cheat code in McDavid against the guy who knows

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Speaker 2: how to play hockey better than anybody ever, the legs

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Speaker 2: against the brain. I guess you could say, but each

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Speaker 2: guy got ample of the other two. If McDavid and

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Speaker 2: Sid played for New York and LA, then make movies

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Speaker 2: about it. But they're in Edmonton and Pittsburgh and don't

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Speaker 2: play against each other often enough, and McDavid ain't ovi.

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Speaker 2: McDavid ain't ovi. Goals are better. Ovie's a bond villain

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Speaker 2: turn lovable in his old age, and McDavid's a sourpuss.

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Speaker 2: He's not likable now. In the last ten meetings between

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Speaker 2: the Oilers and Penguins, it ain't gone real good. It

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Speaker 2: ain't gone real good. Edmonton is nine and one, Pittsburgh

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Speaker 2: is won eight and one. Sid has two goals and

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Speaker 2: five assists and he's minus fourteen.

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Speaker 1: Yuch.

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Speaker 2: McDavid has eight goals and sixteen assists and he's plus

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Speaker 2: twenty three. Uh, that's not all on Sid, but you

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Speaker 2: get the idea. Edmonton won at Pittsburgh in December six

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Speaker 2: to four, a game although Edmonton came out, took control

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Speaker 2: and the Penguins kept climbing back but never got there.

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Speaker 2: McDavid with two and two in that game, Sid with

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Speaker 2: just one helper. So we got the Penguins at Edmonton tonight.

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Speaker 2: Sid versus McDavid dry sidle one play he's on. He's

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Speaker 2: in Germany on a family matter, and I just bit

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Speaker 2: my tongue really badly. I might need stitches here. All

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Speaker 2: X uh We talked yesterday about Joey's speculation that the

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Speaker 2: Penguins could get Jason Robertson from Dallas the great winger

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Speaker 2: and restricted free agency or via trade because Dallas doesn't

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Speaker 2: You make that trade at this year's deadline, I'm still

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Speaker 2: not sure you win playoff series, but you make the

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Speaker 2: I said, he's a restricted free agent in seasons end.

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Speaker 2: That is when you make the trade. You got him

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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh's gonna make the best offer or be the most

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Speaker 2: attractive place to go. Robertson's gonna get seven or eight

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Speaker 2: The Penguins could squing it and making a move like

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Speaker 2: this has always been part of the dupest plan, you know,

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Speaker 2: just this segment and what I did with Tom in

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Speaker 2: the first hour. I love talking about hockey and the Penguins,

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Speaker 2: F the Steelers, F that coaching search.

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Speaker 1: I don't care at all.

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Speaker 2: And it's gonna just run back to the same old

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Speaker 1: What they want.

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Speaker 2: And you're too dumb to figure it out. And that's

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Speaker 2: not fear to you. You're just dumb in general. This

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Speaker 2: I love talking about hockey and the Penguins. I could

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Speaker 2: do it the whole show, So chime in now if

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Speaker 2: you like. Uh eight three three four one two wxdx

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Speaker 2: this note because I've been talking about the series on

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Speaker 2: HBO Max, which a lot of people are calling the

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Speaker 2: gay Hockey Series, but it's more than that.

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Speaker 1: It's really good.

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Speaker 2: Uh Ovechkin and the other Russians on the Washington Capitals

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Speaker 2: declined to take part well, mostly declined in the Caps

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Speaker 2: Pride night. So I guess the gay hockey craze is over.

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Speaker 2: I guess ov isn't watching heated rivalry now. Now when

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Speaker 2: I say didn't participate, OV did sign stuff to raise money,

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Speaker 2: but he didn't use the Pride tape, the rainbow tape.

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Speaker 2: And that's okay, that's okay. Everybody should believe and do

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Speaker 2: as they want. Belief systems are not one size fits all.

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Speaker 2: I got to be honest, like I'm baring my soul

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Speaker 1: I used to have.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sixty five. When you're younger, you just

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Speaker 2: of homophobia. You just did it. It was we weren't

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Speaker 2: of that. The point is I would use rainbow tape,

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Speaker 2: that would actually impede the Let me think about where

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Speaker 2: that tape would would serve best. No, I'm kidding as

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Speaker 2: Another topic we already early in the show talked about

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Speaker 2: Tom's gonna come up with with people I've unreasonably disrespected

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Speaker 1: I'm depressed just doing the t's.

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Speaker 2: Those aspca ads cordied animals that show cordy to animals.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to see cruartity to animals.

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Speaker 1: That said I did at worked one five nine the X.

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Speaker 2: I feel like today's show's been really great. I'm opening

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Speaker 2: them up. I'm sharing. I have considered. I've talked about

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Speaker 2: using pride tape to tape abella dangerous ankles together.

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Speaker 1: That wouldn't work.

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Speaker 2: You know what I've seen used very effectively with Gina Linn,

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Speaker 1: But uh she was.

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Speaker 2: The first person I ever saw get handcuffed to the

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Speaker 1: Okay, we got calls on the fifteens.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm still curious about with the Steelers

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Speaker 2: before I take some calls here.

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Speaker 1: They need to keep Andy Widel.

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Speaker 2: He interviewed for that GM job in a Kabali said

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Speaker 2: that was for next year.

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Speaker 1: He's not interviewing for a job for next year.

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Speaker 2: He is more likely he goes somewhere next to I

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Speaker 2: don't know, but I don't think the Falcons brought him

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Speaker 1: And he's very highly regarded anyway.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Lou Lou, you're only double M Lou.

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Speaker 1: You're on the air. Okay. We'll go to Brian. Brian,

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Speaker 1: you're on the air. Why isn't this working? Okay? Let's

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Speaker 1: try Phil, Phil, you're on the air. Okay.

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Speaker 2: Our calls aren't working, so somebody needs to come in

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Speaker 2: here and fix that immediately.

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Speaker 1: We got three calls on. I can't take him.

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Speaker 2: What the friggin' frick, What the friggin' frig Well, that's okay.

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Speaker 2: I'll just do endless monologues until I freaking vomit on air.

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Speaker 2: We got the conference championship game Sunday. Oops, nope, already

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Speaker 2: did that monologue. The peng was could get Robertson from Dallas. Oops, No,

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Speaker 2: already did that monologue. Crosby versus McDavid is a mega

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Speaker 2: fast cheat code versus the guy who knows how to

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Speaker 2: play hockey better.

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Speaker 1: Than anybody ever?

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Speaker 2: Oops, No, already did that monologue? Did the heated rivalry monologue?

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Speaker 2: Teas the ASPCA monologue. I guess I could just start

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Speaker 2: repeating stuff over and over again. You know, let's get

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Speaker 2: can we get this Stuart Skinner SoundBite. Stuart Skinner played

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Speaker 2: a good game at Calgary last night. But the peng

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Speaker 2: was played very good defensively limited what Calgary did in

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Speaker 2: terms of good chances, and Skinner handled the rest. Yet,

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Speaker 2: two apples and being named the third star.

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Speaker 1: Do we have that yet?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I saw a lot of composure, really simple plays.

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Speaker 2: And the big thing with with doing a good enough

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Speaker 2: We'll do it on the We'll do the whole show

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Speaker 2: on the friggin fly if the equipment isn't up to snuff.

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Speaker 2: I still can't believe that the Steelers have a nineteen

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Speaker 2: too big. Tampa got two women, though Steelers ain't got

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Speaker 2: no women. Steelers sexist organization. There should be a rooney

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Speaker 2: here's that Dan Orlowski SoundBite, and he really lays it

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Speaker 2: on the line that the Steelers shouldn't hire McCarthy and

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Speaker 2: You want a season where every game means something so

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Speaker 1: One nine d X Rob King here for the latest

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Speaker 2: earlier in the day from the Post Cazette of Steelers

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Speaker 3: And while they might not be able to guarantee certain guys, look,

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Speaker 2: But he was.

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Speaker 2: Now, now, Jerry, what about the notion and this is

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Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned Mike McCarthy, and to me, Jerry, it

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Speaker 3: Well yes, but again that goes that's going to your coordinator.

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Speaker 3: Believe me, Mark, they want to hire the person who

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Speaker 1: Jerry. Uh, would they really bring Aaron Rodgers back?

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Speaker 2: You hear that the players and I guess we could

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Speaker 2: I mean, I just feel like, first off, he'd make

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Speaker 3: this revolving door going, why would you bring him back?

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Speaker 3: Why would you bring that?

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Speaker 5: Jerry?

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Speaker 1: You're preaching the choir. I would definitely not bring him back.

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Speaker 2: That said, if you don't want to keep the revolving

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Speaker 2: door going, who's the quarterback going to be?

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Speaker 3: Well? Again, but here's well Mark. They know I don't

441
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Speaker 3: mean the revolving door necessarily next year, I mean going forward,

442
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Speaker 3: and they know they can't keep this up and at

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Speaker 3: some point they have to stop it. And that is

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Speaker 3: their intention. Now again I'm not saying it's going to happen,

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Speaker 3: because you can't predict how everything's going to go in

446
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Speaker 3: the draft and what they can do. How much of

447
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Speaker 3: a move can they make. That is their intention. Whether

448
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Speaker 3: they're able to pull it off, we'll see, because they

449
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Speaker 3: know they can't continue five different starting quarterbacks in five years.

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Speaker 3: That has to change.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, but I think it's going to continue

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Speaker 2: for one more year. I don't think you're gonna go

453
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Speaker 2: with Howard. I don't think you're gonna go with Rudolph.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to bring back Rogers. I just I

455
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Speaker 2: don't see them having laid any groundwork for beyond right now, Jerry.

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Speaker 2: That's always been my complaint about the Steelers for the

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Speaker 2: last just about a decade. They never think past the

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Speaker 2: next year, not even past.

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Speaker 3: The next game, right and Mark, that's right, And that's

460
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Speaker 3: because they always feel their you know, that they're playoff team,

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Speaker 3: and that, you know, for a team that who espouses

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Speaker 3: publicly the goal that we want to win the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: That's all we care about, you know anymore, they're just

464
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Speaker 3: trying to stop the playoff bleeding, if you will. And

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Speaker 3: you know that that whole mentality has to change. And

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Speaker 3: now that you know they're moving on from a new coach,

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Speaker 3: then it's time to change all that, change all that.

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Speaker 3: And so bringing Aaron Rodgers back. And I like Aaron,

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Speaker 3: and I thought he was much better than I thought

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Speaker 3: he would be. I don't really think that's in their

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Speaker 3: plans now. Again, just like with drafting a quarterback in

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Speaker 3: the first round. We'll see how it all plays out,

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Speaker 3: but I don't I don't think it's in their plans

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Speaker 3: to bring Aaron Rodgers back.

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Speaker 1: Well, what what's your hunts? Jerry.

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Speaker 2: I I don't want to put you on a spot,

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Speaker 2: but who would be your best bet right now to

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Speaker 2: be the coach? And it's worth noting Chris Shuley is

479
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Speaker 2: the betting favorite in Vegas.

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Speaker 3: Of course he is, and he's everybody's betting favorite. And

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Speaker 3: that started, you know, a month or so ago, when

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Speaker 3: in today's ay and age, Mark, with social media and

483
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Speaker 3: all the you know, all the twenty four to seven

484
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Speaker 3: news on ESPN and NFL network, you know all these candidates.

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Speaker 3: There's no there's no surprise Chuck Knowle anymore, you know,

486
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Speaker 3: even even going back to Coward, even Mike Tarmlin, those

487
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Speaker 3: names weren't circulated then like they are now, and so

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Speaker 3: quite naturally, he is a betting favorite. And I don't

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Speaker 3: want to say it's not going to be him because

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Speaker 3: I don't know that. Mark. I'm I will say this too.

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Speaker 3: Do not rule out Anthony Weaver. I will tell you that.

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Speaker 3: And if you ask me, the guy they should hire

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Speaker 3: is Sean McDermott. But I don't think, I don't. They're

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Speaker 3: not even going to talk to him, they Mark. It's

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Speaker 3: surprising to me that nobody is talking to him. And

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Speaker 3: he said he wanted to steal coach that that that's

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Speaker 3: and I know some of the jobs have been feeled,

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Speaker 3: but what only four the ten surprised?

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Speaker 2: They did talk to Stefanski, I mean Daniel, I mean

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Speaker 2: they're they're they're passing up. I don't want to call

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Speaker 2: him big names because none of them ever wont anything.

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Speaker 2: But but you know, why don't you talk to those guys?

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Speaker 3: Mark? I didn't think Stefanski. I'll tell you a small story.

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Speaker 3: Uh back in after Bill Kauer stepped down, uh the

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Speaker 3: big popular rumor, and my friend Tony Grossie, I remember

506
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Speaker 3: him calling me. He thought, he thought and the people

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Speaker 3: in Cleveland thought Bill Cower would be perfect. Bill Cower

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Speaker 3: will take this job. He played here, he coached there.

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Speaker 3: Bill Kwer once told me he would never take the

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Speaker 3: Cleveland job because he coached he because out of respect

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Speaker 3: to the roone he's in the Steelers, he would never

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Speaker 3: do that. And so you know, maybe Stefanski wouldn't even

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Speaker 3: consider that for maybe the same reasons. I'm not going

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Speaker 3: to sit here and talk about his loyalty to Browns

515
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Speaker 3: or especially that nut job of an owner they have,

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Speaker 3: But maybe that was part of it. Maybe Stefanski thought,

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to go within the division and coach.

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Speaker 3: So yes, Kevin Stefanski is a good coach, but that

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Speaker 3: may have been a part in their decision. And whatnot

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Speaker 3: to even talk to them.

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Speaker 1: Is Brian Flores still in the mix?

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Speaker 2: He re upped with Minnesota, but he hasn't out if

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Speaker 2: he's offered a head coaching.

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Speaker 3: D Yeah, Mark, because you know, I mean, like McCarthy,

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Speaker 3: he came in and met with the Steelers. You know, again,

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Speaker 3: I can't sit here and tell you that he's not,

527
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Speaker 3: but you know, his reputation for what happened in Miami

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Speaker 3: White coach has to hurt him. I just can't imagine.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to say I can't imagine. I don't

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Speaker 3: foresee them doing that and wanting to go down that road.

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Speaker 3: And Mark, to me, if the Steelers didn't bring him

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Speaker 3: on as a senior defensive assistant in twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 3: he might still be sitting out there unemployed. But I

534
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Speaker 3: think when the Steelers did that, that kind of softened

535
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Speaker 3: a lot of people's stance about that we want to

536
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Speaker 3: take a chance on this guy. And I think the

537
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Speaker 3: Steelers kind of broke the ice with that, and I

538
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 3: think that's how he got back in the league. To

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Speaker 3: be perfectly honest, I don't know that, but I kind

540
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Speaker 3: of suspect that. And so but anyway, he you know,

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Speaker 3: his reputation for when he was the head coach in

542
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Speaker 3: Miami is not good for everything. The way it was

543
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Speaker 3: going down and the way it shook out. I just

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Speaker 3: don't know that that's going to happen. Uh.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned, uh Anthony Weaver a moment ago. We just

546
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Speaker 2: talked about Brian Flores. How much does the Rooney rule

547
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Speaker 2: figure in with with Art wanting to be like his

548
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Speaker 2: dad maintain a lot of the things he did, and

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Speaker 2: it is the Rooney rule.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that influences who they hire. Mark. Obviously,

551
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Speaker 3: they're following the protocol every team has to. Again, they

552
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Speaker 3: will hire, uh, the right guy. And I know two

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Speaker 3: of the guys that they that they like and are

554
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Speaker 3: impressed with are guys who you know are minority candidates,

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Speaker 3: and that's Shiel House and Anthony Weaver. I mean, Anthony

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Speaker 3: Weaver is going to be the first play of first

557
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Speaker 3: candidate who had a virtual interview and right now the

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Speaker 3: only one to have a second interview to meet with

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Speaker 3: the Steelers. So obviously they like the guy, and I

560
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Speaker 3: don't think you know usually because you have to meet

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Speaker 3: with two minority candidates in person, and I know he

562
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Speaker 3: would check that box along with Brian Flores. But that

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Speaker 3: doesn't mean they're just checking that box because if they

564
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Speaker 3: talked to Nate Schulhouse, he is a minority candidate as well,

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Speaker 3: so they would be checking that box beyond the minimum requirements.

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Speaker 3: But I know those are two guys that they like,

567
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Speaker 3: but I don't Again, I don't think the person they

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Speaker 3: hire is going to be hired just because of the

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Speaker 3: run girl.

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Speaker 1: Jerry. How long is this going to go on?

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Speaker 2: And I'm not saying it should be rushed, but it

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Speaker 2: already seems like it's been going on for about six months.

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Speaker 3: Mark, I expect it to be done by the end

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Speaker 3: of next week. And I say that because for several reasons.

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Speaker 3: You know, they did eighty virtual interviews, they've only done

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Speaker 3: one follow up, and Brian Floyes doesn't count, Mark, because

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Speaker 3: even though he talked to them, that was more just

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Speaker 3: kind of they already know Flores. That was more about hey,

579
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Speaker 3: when can you come in or you're willing to talk Bob,

580
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Speaker 3: But that wasn't a virtual interview, and they've even said

581
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Speaker 3: that quietly. So so of those eight guys, though, only

582
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Speaker 3: one more has come back in. And I was told

583
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Speaker 3: last week that there would be a couple more candidates,

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Speaker 3: but if there are, I haven't heard them. And maybe

585
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Speaker 3: there are, but I haven't heard of any. But to

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Speaker 3: answer your question, I think it's going to be done

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Speaker 3: by the end of next week. Mark. And I say

588
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Speaker 3: that because the Super Bowl. The NFL does not like

589
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Speaker 3: to have announcements during the week of Super Bowl. So

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Speaker 3: I don't think the Steelers are going to wait till

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Speaker 3: after the super Bowl, which would be February ninth. I mean,

592
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Speaker 3: because now you're losing out on distant coaches, coordinators, things

593
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Speaker 3: like that, and so I personally and I don't know

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Speaker 3: this as a timetable, but I expect it to be

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Speaker 3: done by the end of next week.

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Speaker 2: Jerry is always a pleasure. Thank you for the insight,

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Speaker 2: and we will talk again next week.

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Speaker 3: You got it, Mark, always good chatting with him.

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Speaker 2: That's the great Jerry Dulax. Check out his work at

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Speaker 2: Postcazette dot com. He's brought to us by bud Light.

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Speaker 2: Easy to drink, It, easy to enjoy. Okay, we're gonna

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Speaker 2: do calls on the forty fives. Because our equipment's been fixed,

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Speaker 2: we can't take phone calls. We'll do calls on the

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Speaker 2: forty five, then calls on the fifteen next hour. Or

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Speaker 2: I can just play some sound bites, or I can

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Speaker 2: just babble.

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Speaker 1: It's up to you.

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Speaker 2: But if you want to make it a call segment

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