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Speaker 1: Welcome back.

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Speaker 2: You're listening to us guarden with Scott Erline. We're tackling

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Speaker 2: garden tropes with Mark Wessell and Paul Cappiello. And and

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Speaker 2: we did have a caller during the break. We couldn't

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Speaker 2: get it answered. If you want to call back, give

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Speaker 2: us a call. We are are taking calls with your

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Speaker 2: experiences with bits of garden wisdom. And when we took

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Speaker 2: the break, our number actually eight hundred eight three eighty

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Speaker 2: two fifty five. Got to remember that it's important. When

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Speaker 2: we left, we dropped the bomb. Woodchips deplete nitrogen.

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Speaker 3: What do you think, Paul, Well, like any organic matter

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Speaker 3: that you use as a multar and amendment, it's always

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Speaker 3: good to have it composted first, so you break down

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Speaker 3: some of that carbon. You know, the basis of the

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Speaker 3: trope is that if you put all that wood material

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Speaker 3: on your soil, the microbes go to town to chew

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Speaker 3: it all down, and all that activity uses nitrogen. But

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Speaker 3: if you compost your stuff a little bit, I mean,

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Speaker 3: the wood doesn't extract nitrogen from the soil. It's the

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Speaker 3: microbe activity that can use up nitrogen in the soil.

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Speaker 3: But if you just compost all that material and use

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Speaker 3: it in reasonable rates. It's a net plus and you

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Speaker 3: can't go wrong with composted organic matter.

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Speaker 2: I've even heard studies where even freshwood chips don't seriously

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Speaker 2: deplete the nitrogen at all.

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Speaker 1: Overall, it's very posish.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and the little is right there at the interface

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Speaker 4: between the soil and the woodchips.

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Speaker 5: It's not some deep deep yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And the other thing is that the more you compost

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Speaker 3: those chips, the better they're going to be texturally for

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Speaker 3: your soil. It just it provides a whole lot better

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Speaker 3: environment for roots if you've got that stuff partially composted.

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Speaker 3: So it's sort of an irrelevant thing. Just compost some

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Speaker 3: stuff and you'll.

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Speaker 1: Be happy, exactly.

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Speaker 2: I had John Butcher from mess Intry Care and Landscape

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Speaker 2: here a couple of weeks ago, and he was even saying,

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Speaker 2: you know, the wood chips with all the leaf matter

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Speaker 2: in it, the summertime woodchips are the best ones of all.

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Speaker 2: So not that the winter ones I think are bad,

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Speaker 2: but if you can get it with all the leaf.

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Speaker 1: Material in there, it's better.

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Speaker 4: The garden professor really pushes there's a name for those

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Speaker 4: remenial there's a name for the fresh wood chips with

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Speaker 4: green matter, and.

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Speaker 1: There's a word for everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just

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Speaker 1: don't know.

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Speaker 4: Paul probably knows it because he's smarter than he's Paul.

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Speaker 5: Do you know the word remanial maybe.

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Speaker 1: Something like that.

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Speaker 2: Listen, let's jump on well as first of all, just

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Speaker 2: knock this down and we've beaten it to death and

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Speaker 2: we don't need to go on it a whole lot more.

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Speaker 2: But the deeper the mulch, the more beneficial it is.

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Speaker 2: And that I'll just say that's patently false. You want

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Speaker 2: two to three inches of mulch, and you know, depending

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Speaker 2: on the mulch, I mean like if you're using wood chips,

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Speaker 2: you could probably go a little deeper, but with you know,

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Speaker 2: typical shredded art mulch, which none of us like especially,

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Speaker 2: but uh, two to three inches is what you want.

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Speaker 1: How do you guys feel about it?

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, it's not two to three inches per year, right,

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Speaker 3: that we make is bill add two to three inches

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Speaker 3: every year. And you know if if you're carrying over

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Speaker 3: an inch, yeah, then you're just adding and it's every

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Speaker 3: year it's just getting deeper and deeper. And it's like

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Speaker 3: planting your plants too. Deeply.

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Speaker 2: So what do you guys think about these dyed mulches,

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Speaker 2: the black ones, the red ones?

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Speaker 1: Is that do you do you know if that die

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Speaker 1: they use is safe.

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Speaker 4: Or I have no idea, but I don't like them.

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Speaker 4: I yeah, I just for principle, I do not like

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Speaker 4: dyed mulch. I don't either the more natural kind of guy, Paul,

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Speaker 4: what do.

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Speaker 1: You think, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: It's just but ugly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: So let's go on to Mark's passion and talk about

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Speaker 2: some of the vegetable tropes we've heard down the line.

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Speaker 2: And one of them, the first one Mark you mentioned,

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Speaker 2: was knocking onion tops down to make bigger bulbs.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's all kinds of trimming them or knocking them

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Speaker 4: down when they're getting close, and it's just silly. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: you want to leave those leaves on to keep pump

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Speaker 4: been energy into making your balls bigger. Once you knock

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Speaker 4: the their energy source down and off, that's it. I

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Speaker 4: introduces a better entry for pathogens and old fungi.

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Speaker 2: And all those things we don't Yeah, yep, bad idea.

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Speaker 2: And then you said, I like this one. Bell peppers

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Speaker 2: can become hot by planting them near hot peppers.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, just that's impossible. If you have a hot pepper

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Speaker 4: and a sweet pepper growing together that year, you will

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Speaker 4: not you know, your sweet pepper is not going to

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Speaker 4: become hot. It's just it's just impossible.

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Speaker 1: You can't happen.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, but now if that hot pepper crosses with

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Speaker 4: the bell pepper, you save the seeds. The next year

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Speaker 1: A hot something in between you or hotter yeah whatever.

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Speaker 2: It might be. Using salt to control weeds on asparagus.

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Speaker 2: Had never heard about this one?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well they I think it comes from the

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Speaker 4: asparagus in its native range is a coastal kind of thing,

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Speaker 4: and I mean it can tolerates, it can tolerate salt.

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Speaker 4: But you know, then you end up creating this terrible

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Speaker 2: You know, it might not always want to grow asparagus there.

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Speaker 2: And the Romans ruined fields of their enemies by putting

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Speaker 2: salt on these. Putting salt on your garden where soil

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Speaker 2: is never really ever a good idea.

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Speaker 4: Unless you're have a depletion of sodium some weird reason. Really,

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Speaker 4: I like to save this. I like to put salt

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Speaker 4: on my cooked asparagus.

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Speaker 1: I think that's safe.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And everybody wanted to mention EPSOM salts that's out

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Speaker 2: there all the time, add EPs some salts for this

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Speaker 2: or for that. EPSOM salts are basically very high a

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Speaker 2: magnesium magnesium sulfate. Yeah, okay, And is it ever a

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Speaker 2: good idea to throw more magnesium down for certain things?

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Speaker 1: Again, I mean it comes down to the soil test.

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Speaker 5: That's your soil need that.

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Speaker 2: Does it need magnesium because if it doesn't, you're putting

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Speaker 2: more down.

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Speaker 1: Now you're playing whack them all.

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Speaker 2: With the nutrients, right, Yeah, Paul, do you have anything

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Speaker 3: No, you know. Everything I know about growing vegetables I

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Speaker 3: learned from Mark Wessel's so I like to I like

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Speaker 3: to listen to him or watch his social media feed.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, we have some salts. I don't know. I

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Speaker 3: think sometimes we all just fall back to the old.

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Speaker 3: Well there was a broken bag in the garage when

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Speaker 3: I was helping my grandparents with their garden, and they

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Speaker 3: just threw them in the in the garden to just

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Speaker 3: use it up. And yeah, but yeah, I mean we

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Speaker 3: we just we have access to these great cheap soil

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Speaker 3: tests that give us so much great information. It's just

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Speaker 3: it's so easy to do, and it's there's so much

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Speaker 3: information in it, and it gives you the recommendations like

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Speaker 3: if if you're soil a little low in something, it'll say,

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Speaker 3: use the X number of pounds of this particular fertilizer

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Speaker 3: square feets. So we've made it pretty simple on gardeners.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and in state, the state of varies on how

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Speaker 2: to get your soil tested. Basically, Google, you know, how

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Speaker 2: do I get a soil test for my state?

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Speaker 1: My case, Ohio.

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Speaker 2: Some states do it for free, some have vendors that

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Speaker 2: do it, and you have to pay. But it's out

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Speaker 2: there and it's pretty simple to do. Usually, I think

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Speaker 2: they send you a kid or tell you how to

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Speaker 2: collect the soil. You send it will often and fairly

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Speaker 2: quickly you get a report.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and recommendations.

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Speaker 2: And the recommendations very important. All right, Let's jump to

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Speaker 2: the one that's going to get us all in trouble

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Speaker 2: native plants.

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Speaker 1: And I love this one.

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Speaker 2: You've heard it again and again and again and for

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Speaker 2: a long time now. Native plantants have deeper roots.

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Speaker 3: Tell that to a trillium.

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Speaker 1: I know, that's my example too trillions.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, yeah, you.

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Speaker 3: Can find you can find a poster child for any

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Speaker 3: ridiculous assertion. But you know, when you make broad generalizations,

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Speaker 1: In trouble exactly.

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Speaker 3: And you know it comes back to the same thing

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Speaker 3: we've all been taught since day one of our first

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Speaker 3: horticulture class. Right plant, right place. You know, there are

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Speaker 3: exotic plants that are better in some places there are

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Speaker 3: native or they're exotic. They just happen to work well

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Speaker 3: solve problems and don't create more problems than we just

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Speaker 3: go with the plant that solves the problem the best.

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Speaker 2: We already have to take another break. This time is

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Speaker 2: absolutely flying by. I'm really enjoying this. I hope everybody

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Speaker 2: We'll carry on about a few other things that you

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Speaker 2: hear about native plants. We're tackling garden tropes today. Give

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, I'm here with Art Wessel from Gardens Alive,

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Speaker 2: Chief Chief Horticulturists with Gardens alive and director of U

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Speaker 2: del Botanical Gardens, Paul Caapiello, we are talking garden tropes,

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Speaker 2: Eight hundred eight two three eight two five five And Paul,

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Speaker 2: we just about to launch into this. The more of

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Speaker 2: the native plant tropes that you hear out there, this

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Speaker 2: But native plants are better adapted to our conditions. And boys,

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Speaker 3: And and it seems so logical, right, All the plants

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Speaker 3: a garden in Louisville, Kentucky evolved in this climate, in

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Speaker 1: It seems adapt way.

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Speaker 3: Better adapted to a certain set of conditions. Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: it's you know the way am your honeysuckle wheedle? Its

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Speaker 2: Conversely, and this is you know, the very unfortunate part

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Speaker 2: pests and diseases, so they're no longer is adapted to

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Speaker 3: Right. Yeah, it's a complex web. And again, you know,

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Speaker 3: we keep going back to the same thing. Broad generalizations

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Speaker 2: How about this one? Native ours are not native plants?

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, boy, you know how I feel all about that.

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Speaker 4: Can't we all just love plants no matter what they are?

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Speaker 1: So why are we drawing lines?

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Speaker 4: It's political anymore. But they are native plants and a

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And if you look at some of these plants

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Speaker 3: If you know, if you're growing a double flowered purple

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Speaker 3: it's still a native.

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Speaker 1: Plant, right.

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Speaker 3: Just choose your varieties for what it is you're trying to.

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Speaker 2: Accomplish, just a mutated one, and some of that happens

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Speaker 1: What I always say about the I think.

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Speaker 2: They call them the palm palm cone flowers, which generally

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Speaker 2: very popular. A lot of people really like those. I'm like, fine,

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Speaker 2: go plant one, go buy one. It's not against the law,

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Speaker 2: it's not against the laws of nature. Well maybe a

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Speaker 4: we've made echinaesia look like a zenia. Yeah, and I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll grow pretty true.

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Speaker 2: Let's jump over the trees, because I hear more tropes

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Speaker 2: about trees and pretty much anything else. Let's start with

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Speaker 2: And more than that, probably more by volume, way more

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Speaker 1: So they're out there pretty far out. This one I

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Speaker 2: But tree roots extend deep, or their tap roots, you know,

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Speaker 2: the roots. The fact is that what is it eighty

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, there's some species very very variability there.

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Speaker 3: But the whole concept of tap root is really seedling morphology.

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Speaker 3: but that's very quickly abandoned for lateral words.

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Speaker 4: And it's also dictated by your soil type or like

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Speaker 5: And you only have eight inches.

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Speaker 1: Right, that's all this?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Hey Paul, can you stay with us for

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Speaker 2: one more segment until about eight forty five? All right,

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Speaker 2: when we come back, we have done on the line

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Speaker 2: from Louisiana. It will take that call. You have been

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Speaker 2: listening to Let's Garden with Scott Marolina. I hope you've

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Speaker 2: been enjoying it. We're tackling garden tropes. Are they two?

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Speaker 1: False?

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Speaker 9: Right?

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Speaker 6: Wrong?

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Speaker 1: All those things. We will take a break.

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Speaker 2: We're on the pretty much towards the final stretch here,

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Speaker 2: and I'm privileged.

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Speaker 1: I'm pleased.

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Speaker 2: I'm happy to be sitting in the same room as

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Speaker 2: Mark Wessell, chief gardener at Gardens Alive, and on the

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Speaker 2: phone with doctor Paul Capiello, director of You del Potentnical Gardens.

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Speaker 1: Thank you both for being here.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: We're not going to get through this list of tropes.

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Speaker 1: We just aren't.

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Speaker 2: But what do you say we save the rest some

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Speaker 2: some for another day.

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Speaker 1: You guys both able will anytime, cool anytime.

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Speaker 2: Here's one I I really you know you've heard it

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Speaker 2: forever and ever and ever, and you see it way

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Speaker 2: too often young trees need to be staked. Yeah, oh, Don,

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Speaker 2: I forgot about you. I'll come back to your question

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Speaker 2: after we answer this.

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Speaker 1: We'll be you know. But anyway, let's get it.

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Speaker 3: I'll make it quick.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: You know, letting that young tree move a little bit

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Speaker 3: in the breeze is very helpful. It helps develop a good,

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Speaker 3: strong trunk. Staking the tree too tightly leads to weak trunks,

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Speaker 3: weak stems, and floppy trees.

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Speaker 6: You know, if.

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Speaker 2: If a tree needs staking, it might not have been

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Speaker 4: But there you go, dig up some ten foot tall

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Speaker 4: sapling with you know, stubby rit.

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Speaker 2: Right, you get the best ones. God, that was a

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Speaker 2: joke for everybody out there listening. We do not recommend.

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Speaker 2: In fact, it's unlawful to dig trees from nature preserves,

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Speaker 2: and it's also unethical and very uncool.

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Speaker 5: I'm very ethical person. I would never do that.

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Speaker 1: You are the most ethical person I know.

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Speaker 6: Don.

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Speaker 1: You're on the line. What can we do for you?

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Speaker 9: Good morning?

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Speaker 5: How are you good?

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Speaker 1: How are you doing?

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Speaker 3: Just Doe?

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Speaker 9: I have a couple of questions. If I'm may, By

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Speaker 9: the way, I'm enjoy your program. You have a waxedly

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Speaker 9: gust if I'd say that right, and maybe another word

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Speaker 9: far as called a pert privet maybe privet. Yeah, And

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Speaker 9: so it's twenty four years old and they're like on

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Speaker 9: each corner of the cornering of the front of my house.

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Speaker 9: House is twenty four years old. And a few years

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Speaker 9: and it was shaped similar to a Christmas tree. I

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Speaker 9: So when we had that hard cold spell, the center

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Speaker 9: of it eventually died out. It took it over a year,

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Speaker 9: but it you know, and during that time it sprouted

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Speaker 9: Is there a way because I hadn't trimmed it at all?

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Speaker 9: I was trying to you got a way to retrain

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Speaker 9: the new branches into that shape. I think you can

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Speaker 9: it's all just real big and bushy now like it

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Speaker 2: Are I think what you need to do is go

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Speaker 2: to a single leader, So cut everything except maybe one

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Speaker 2: one stem and hope it grows out to that shape.

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Speaker 1: Do you guys agree with me? Mark?

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Speaker 4: That sounds like good advice. Scott, Yeah, yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: Take a while before Yeah, it may never happen.

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Speaker 4: And you may not even want to take everything away

442
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Speaker 4: initially because you get a little sunburn.

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Speaker 1: Or maybe go to three or something like that. Paul,

444
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Speaker 1: what do you think?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: Can I pull them together with some kind of can

447
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Speaker 9: manipulate a few of the branches together to do there?

448
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Speaker 3: Is that a bad idea someone that.

449
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Speaker 9: Knows nothing about gardening?

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Speaker 1: Okay?

451
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think the best place to start

452
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Speaker 3: is cut out the dead stuff, so you open up

453
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Speaker 3: the center of that because it sounds like there's a

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Speaker 3: lot of growth in the center. So if you cut

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Speaker 3: out the dead and leave what's green and then continue

456
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Speaker 3: to work it from the outside and allow it to

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Speaker 3: branch in and fill in that center over time. But

458
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Speaker 3: as Mark said, this is not a this is not

459
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Speaker 3: like a one season fix. This may take several growing

460
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Speaker 3: seasons to gradually get those branches to fill in that

461
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Speaker 3: that center. But those legostumes are pretty tough and they're

462
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Speaker 3: pretty good at sprouting and branching. So if you open

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Speaker 3: up that center, get rid of all that dead stuff,

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Speaker 3: and then just continue to work the green from the

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Speaker 3: outside and shape in it a little by little, it'll

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Speaker 3: probably fill in.

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Speaker 1: Yep, thanks Tom for your call. We appreciate that. I

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Speaker 1: think we have a.

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Speaker 2: Time maybe for one more, maybe two more tropes. Here's

470
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Speaker 2: one that is a favorite of mine. It's an irritant

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Speaker 2: of mine, I'll say. But newly planted trees, newly planted

472
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Speaker 2: small trees like sapling side as are one or two

473
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 2: year whips catch up to larger trees because they suffer

474
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Speaker 2: suffer less transplant shock. Is that Has that been the

475
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Speaker 2: the the.

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Speaker 1: What you guys have seen in your plants.

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Speaker 4: I've kind of seen that, but I don't I didn't

478
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Speaker 4: you know, this wasn't a double blind university study. But

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Speaker 4: on observation, I've seen big trees suffer a long time

480
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Speaker 4: and then yeah, saplings grow, no problem.

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Speaker 2: I looked for studies on this and couldn't find them.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that anybody's done them. Paul, what do

483
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Speaker 2: you what do you know?

484
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there there is some research out there, but it's

485
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Speaker 3: it's old research. But was good work that looked at

486
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Speaker 3: a lot of different types of transplanting and sizes of

487
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Speaker 3: plants and bare roots, which is ballin boro versus container

488
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Speaker 3: and you know, and in general, if you were to

489
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Speaker 3: plot out the recovery and performance from a one foot

490
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Speaker 3: red oak to you know, transplanting a ten inch diameter

491
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Speaker 3: trunk with a giant tree speede. The bigger the tree,

492
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Speaker 3: the longer it takes to recover. You know, whether that

493
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Speaker 3: small one will catch up and pass it. A lot

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Speaker 3: of times they do if you're at the extreme ends

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Speaker 3: of that scale. But you know, the difference between a

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Speaker 3: two inch caliper tree and a three inch caliber tree

497
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Speaker 3: is probably negligible. But it's a big, long sliding scale,

498
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Speaker 3: and really a lot of times what you planned is

499
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Speaker 3: going to come down to sort of a multi layered decision.

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Speaker 3: You know, how much money are you willing to spend?

501
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Speaker 3: How much patience do you have. I once had a

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Speaker 3: lady call and asked me to recommend a tree for

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Speaker 3: her backyard because she had lost a big tree. And

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00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 3: while I was thinking on the phone, she said, I

505
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 3: need to tell you that I suffer from eol syndrome.

506
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Speaker 3: And I said, I'm sorry, ma'am, I'm not familiar with that,

507
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 3: she said, I mean extremely old lady, and I don't

508
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Speaker 3: have much time to wait something that's going to grow fast.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's always that, you know, you know what you plan.

510
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Speaker 3: And how long, how much time you're willing to wait

511
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Speaker 3: for it to grow. But in general, smaller plants do

512
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,959
Speaker 3: tend to recover and take off faster than larger but

513
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 3: it is a very squishy scale.

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Speaker 2: It's yeah, there's a lot of variables involved. I will

515
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 2: say we've planted a lot of two to four inch

516
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 2: trees at the Zoo, and given you know, irrigation and

517
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 2: adequate care, you don't see that transplant shock slowing them

518
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 2: down for very long. We planted a bunch of oaks

519
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Speaker 2: along one of the streets around the zoo, probably in

520
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Speaker 2: twenty twelve. These were probably three inch swamp whites and

521
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 2: a couple others. Those things have hit the ground running

522
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 2: and they're big, and I would challenge anybody to show me,

523
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 2: you know, one to three foot whip that it would

524
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Speaker 2: have caught them in that same amount of time. But

525
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Speaker 2: then there's always you know, are you planning for like

526
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Speaker 2: a tree re establishment? You know, you're trying to a

527
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 2: bunch of trees all at once. You know, is there

528
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 2: deer pressure or kid pressure that's going to beat up

529
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 2: every little tree that you've got, so it don't never

530
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Speaker 2: catch any kind of bigger tree, which actually is probably

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Speaker 2: could be big enough to escape those those risks.

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Speaker 1: So but you.

533
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Speaker 2: Hear that as a blanket statement all the time, and

534
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 2: I guess that's maybe the point of this show is

535
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 2: blanket statements in gardening ninety nine times out of one

536
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 2: hundred are just going to put you in a in trouble. Right,

537
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 2: we got time for one more. Let's let me see

538
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Speaker 2: what I can find. It's just going to get us,

539
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 2: get us all fired. Oh, here's a great one. If

540
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Speaker 2: it's sick, give it fertilizer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, this is this is one of my favorites.

542
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 3: Kill it with kindness, kill it with well. Here's here's

543
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 3: a great statistic to keep in mind. For every unit

544
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 3: of nitrogen that a plant absorbs and puts to use

545
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 3: building more proteins or whatever it's going to it's going

546
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 3: to tie up twenty four units of carbon. So what

547
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 3: happens if you have a plant that's struggling and you

548
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 3: dump a bunch of nitrogen on it. What it's going

549
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 3: to do is cannibalize existing parts of the plant, because

550
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 3: plants are always going to preferentially send resources to the

551
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 3: growing tip for that new growth, and so you end

552
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 3: up causing the plant to cannibalize itself in order to

553
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 3: keep up with using that nitrogen. So if the plant

554
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 3: is sick, you need to find out why the plant

555
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 3: is sick and deal with that rather than just dump

556
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Speaker 3: a bunch of nitrogen on it.

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Speaker 5: Right, boy, I mean you can, you can.

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00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 4: That's why you once again, that's why you brought Paul

559
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 4: on the show.

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Speaker 1: And that's my strength.

561
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 2: That's my strength is bringing in surrounding myself with people.

562
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Speaker 1: Who are much smarter than me.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, well let's like carry that on just a little bit.

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00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: No, here's one more we can do, and I think

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Speaker 1: we have time for it. Uh.

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Speaker 2: And this this is something that's that that bothers me

568
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 2: a lot, is you know you For a while there,

569
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Speaker 2: everybody was arguing, you know, glacysed's dangerous around up is dangerous.

570
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 2: What alternatives are there out there that are safer? And

571
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Speaker 2: the one that I heard again and again and again

572
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 2: is acetic acid or hortic cultural grade vinegar and arguing

573
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Speaker 2: that that somehow is safer.

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Speaker 1: Uh, then.

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00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 2: Whatever herbicide that you might want to use. And my

576
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 2: argument for that is whereticultural vinegar can burn your skin,

577
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 2: it can blind you, and let alone whatever it does

578
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 2: to what insects or animals you accidentally spray it on,

579
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 2: you don't even want.

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Speaker 1: To think about that.

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00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 5: I ever thought about that.

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Speaker 2: And just to recommend it blankly again to people go

583
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 2: out there with this, it solves your problem. First of all,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't even kill the weed. It might if it's

585
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 2: a very young weed, but it's mostly going to burn

586
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 2: off the foliage and not the root. And if the

587
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 2: roots established should send up new growth.

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Speaker 3: That's one of the big differences is you know glac

589
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 3: to say it's a systemic herbicide that's absorbed into the

590
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 3: plant and kills it. Horticultural vinegar or cetic acid burns

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00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 3: the tops. But you're right, Scott, it's you know, people

592
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 3: hear vinegar and they're thinking salad dressing. Yes, but if

593
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 3: you're using true horticultural vinegar, it's much more concentrated if

594
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 3: be very careful with it. I don't have enough lawyers

595
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Speaker 3: on staff to be able to go into a long

596
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:43,719
Speaker 3: discussion about what thing is safe safer than another. Bottom

597
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 3: line is anything that you use to kill anything else,

598
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 3: you should use with a lot of respect and care,

599
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 3: right because you're using it to kill something.

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Speaker 2: So personal protection. I mean, if you're doing that, you

601
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: need eye protection to the max. You should be wearing

602
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 2: long sleeves. You should follow whatever label there is on that,

603
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 2: as you would any other pesticide or herbicide.

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00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: One of the drawbacks with horticulture vinegar is you're always

606
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 4: craving salad when you're out there. It smells like a vinagrette.

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00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well maybe that's a good thing. Eat more salad

609
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 4: and you can use it.

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Speaker 1: Use it to clean your windows, Go ahead, Paul.

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Speaker 3: One of the places I've seen it used effectively is

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00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 3: places where you don't want anything to grow, like a

613
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:29,359
Speaker 3: gravel driveway, or if you've got pavers and you've got

614
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 3: you know, little weed seedlings coming up in the in

615
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 3: the joints. I've seen people use that that horticulture vinegar

616
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 3: fairly well, if as long as you don't let the

617
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 3: weeds get too large. But again, it's it's all about

618
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 3: safety and yeah, you know, anything like like we've already

619
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Speaker 3: said that a number of times. Anything you're using to

620
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 3: kill anything, you need to use with some care and respect.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, small annual weeds is where where? Yeah that's the

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00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 4: wheelhouse of horticulture, vinegar and flame weaters.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, same thing, and again comes with its own set

624
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 2: of dangers. Paul, we've run out of time. I'm really

625
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 2: really happy you joined us and appreciative and we got

626
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 2: to do this again because we didn't even cover half

627
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 2: the list of things that are out there.

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Speaker 3: Well, we'll have twice as many things on the list

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Speaker 3: next time.

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Speaker 2: That's right, We'll keep thinking of more so. Paul Capiello,

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Speaker 2: Director of u Del Botanical Garden, Crestwood, Kentucky, just outside

632
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Speaker 2: of a littleville. How can people learn more about you?

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Speaker 3: Dell Udelgardens dot org is our website and you can

634
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 3: access both our online nursery and all of our programs

635
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Speaker 3: and all of our history and everything on the website.

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Speaker 2: Sounds great. Thanks for being here. We're going to take

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Speaker 2: our last break. We'll be back in just a few minutes.

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Speaker 2: of fun having you here. Avertise always good time, great

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Speaker 2: talking plants. How can people learn more about you and

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Speaker 2: Gardens Alive, the company that owns gurnees.

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Speaker 4: Well, the biggest way you can see my smiling face

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Speaker 4: is go to Gurneys dot com. Just google Gurneys in

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Speaker 4: that opening page if you scroll down. I have a

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Speaker 4: series called Dig Dig In. I answer three questions per

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Speaker 4: month from customers. Customers send in questions, and we do

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Speaker 4: videos three per month, three per month.

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Speaker 1: Boy, is that ambitious?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, Well you know, I know, and you're busy.

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Speaker 1: You have a big job. You're very busy.

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Speaker 5: So you'll see why.

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Speaker 4: The last shoot, I'm like, boy, I need I'm demanding

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Speaker 4: a makeup artist come in and help help.

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Speaker 5: With good circles and all that.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Mark, Yeah, you want to talk to Gary Sullivan.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, let's talk Gary.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk to Gary. Gary. Are you there? I am here.

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Speaker 6: How are you doing fine?

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Speaker 1: Thank you good? What's on your show today?

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Speaker 6: Well? We got It's summertime, man, there's plenty of stuff

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Speaker 6: to work on.

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Speaker 1: Right. It doesn't feel like summertime.

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Speaker 6: No, it doesn't.

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Speaker 3: It is not.

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Speaker 6: I agree with you. I think a couple of things

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Speaker 6: will work on today. Will maybe not painting, but maybe

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Speaker 6: painting but really what I want to focus on sometimes

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Speaker 6: is like vinyl shutters and vinyl sighting. A lot of

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Speaker 6: people think, you know when you when you get vinyl sighting,

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Speaker 6: you're talking to the sales guy, it's like, well a

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Speaker 6: color is baked all the way through it, and you

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Speaker 6: think that's great, man, that's good and never wear out.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 6: However, vinyl sighting probably oxidizes in about six months. Ah,

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Speaker 6: so you know you start which no one really knows

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Speaker 6: is if it's wider, if it's you know, like a

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Speaker 6: pale yellow or a beige, but if it's like shutters,

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Speaker 6: if it's a forest green or it's a maroon, that oxidation,

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Speaker 6: seriously in six months can turn those Uh. You know

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Speaker 6: if you if you pulled out a brand new panel

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Speaker 6: of a maroon shutter and put it next to the

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Speaker 6: ones you put up a year ago, you'd be shocked.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 6: But there are different products that actually remove the oxidation

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Speaker 6: and you put a clear coat on it and it

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Speaker 6: totally revitalizes the shutter. So we'll talk a little bit

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Speaker 6: about that. It's a labor intensive to do a whole house.

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Speaker 6: But what a lot of people don't realize is you

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Speaker 6: can you can paint vinyl sighting, So we're going to

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Speaker 6: talk a little bit about that too, because there's a

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Speaker 6: certain kind of tint. They actually rate different colors on

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Speaker 6: how much solar heat gain it can stand before it

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Speaker 6: begins to warp. So we'll talk about that whole process.

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Speaker 6: So I don't have to live with that, you know,

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Speaker 6: oxidized sighting, and it haven't looked very tired of for

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Speaker 6: a year or two.

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Speaker 1: Right. It's interesting.

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Speaker 2: My brother in law paints houses, and we were thinking about, well,

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Speaker 2: we did paint our house, but we were talking different colors.

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Speaker 2: He said, don't paint it blue. It oxidizes very fast.

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Speaker 5: Yep.

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Speaker 2: And you know, we started looking around at blue houses

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Speaker 2: and noticed that a lot of them a little tired.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm sure you also, you know, some of the

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Speaker 6: quality of paints. I don't think people really realize the

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Speaker 6: quality of paints, how much they've improved improved with you

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Speaker 6: V resistance, breatheability, oxidation. But you're right, the blues, the maroons,

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Speaker 6: they still fade, you know. And if you day with

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Speaker 6: more of a neutral color, of course it's less noticeable,

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Speaker 6: which means it lasts longer. But yeah, those darker colors

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Speaker 6: they certainly they're tough. They are not too tough to

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Speaker 6: take the sun, That's what I'm trying to say.

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Speaker 2: But and but you say there's products that people can

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Speaker 2: use to breathe new life into them.

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Speaker 6: Well, for vinyls, yeah, for paints, no, you just use

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Speaker 6: more another code of paint. But you know, for the vinyls, yeah,

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Speaker 6: it's it's just a really deep cleaner that removes the oxidation,

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Speaker 6: then a clear coat, not like a varnish or anything.

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Speaker 6: It almost goes on almost like the viscosity of milk.

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Speaker 6: So it's very easy. You can't see that it's misapplied

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Speaker 6: or anything like that. You just get it on. There

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Speaker 6: creates a little bit of sheene, which brings back to

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Speaker 6: the original color.

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Speaker 2: Well, we'll look forward to listening to that. You'll be

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Speaker 2: on in just a few minutes. In the meantime, Mark again,

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Speaker 2: thank you, thanks very much, and so my thanks to

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Speaker 2: doctor Paul Capiello from you Dell Botanical Garden. Uh you guys,

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Speaker 2: every listener out there, thanks and the callers. Thank you

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Speaker 2: Danny Gleason for his great production work and for performed

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Speaker 2: performing c p R on me two times during the breaks.

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Speaker 2: Podcasts are available wherever best podcasts are found just Google.

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Speaker 1: Let's Garden with Scott Berline. My email address.

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Speaker 2: Scott b e U E R L e I n

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Speaker 2: at iHeartMedia dot com. We'll be back next week with

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Speaker 2: a really good show.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. Gary Sullivan is next