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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Madison. As we moved into a

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Speaker 2: I want to thank Bradley J. For sitting in for

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Speaker 2: my favorite, one of my two favorite dogs in the world, Mustard,

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Speaker 2: We will talk later about gun violence in Boston's Inner City,

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Speaker 2: tragic death of an eighteen year old woman, young woman

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Speaker 2: Democracy Coalition. We'll also talk about why President Trump has

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Speaker 2: apparently done a one hundred and eighty degree turn, a

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Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein emails. But we have four guests this hour,

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Speaker 2: all of whom are going to bring us interesting stories,

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Speaker 2: that is for sure. So let us begin with Dana

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Speaker 2: Gerber of the Boston Globe Boston Globe reporter, Hi, Dania,

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Nightside. How are you.

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Speaker 3: Hello, I'm doing well. How are you doing? Dan?

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Speaker 2: Well? We have a lot of pet owners in this audience,

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Speaker 2: and this is a really, I think interesting issue. Soaring

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Speaker 2: veterinary costs pushed some pet owners to extremes. I read

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Speaker 2: the article. I don't understand why on us? Well, I

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Speaker 2: think you explained a couple of potential reasons why, But

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Speaker 2: this is horrible. This is horrible for people who have

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Speaker 2: you these expenses, these vet expenses are through the roof.

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Speaker 2: Tell us how you came onto the story and what

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so, I mean it's definitely something that's top of

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Speaker 3: So some of it, you know, you can just chalk

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Speaker 3: up to general inflation, I can imagine. But another potential

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Speaker 3: over the past several years, I would say, in the

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Speaker 2: Identify the identifying the problems, Dana. I just want to

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Speaker 3: But in terms of solutions, I mean, yeah, it is

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Speaker 3: But you know, some folks have found success with pet insurance,

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Speaker 3: it's just your You're right that it is hard to find.

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Speaker 2: Well, one of the things that I learned along to

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Speaker 2: Was a great piece. I really enjoyed reading it. Thanks

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Speaker 2: so much, Dana, Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 4: Have a good night, Dan, you too.

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Speaker 2: Talk soon when we get back. We are going to

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm delighted to welcome Keyan Walsh. Kean. The last

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Speaker 2: You know what whereabouts in Ireland are you from? My

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Speaker 5: That's actually where my family's from. I'm from Cork myself.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, exactly. A Celtic Christmas is a live Irish

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Speaker 5: So it's really brilliant before Christmas, you know, to get

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Speaker 2: I certainly hear you now, Kean. You will be here

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Speaker 2: We'll be talking with Mark she and he's a food historian,

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Speaker 1: Late night Side with Dan Ray. I'm Boston's news radio.

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Speaker 2: Well, Christmas is still, you know, about five weeks away.

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Speaker 2: interesting name for a restaurant. Mark Sheen, Welcome to Night Side.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me what the Northern Spy in Canton.

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Speaker 2: Explain that name to me. There must be a backstory.

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Speaker 2: That's a great backstory. I'm glad I asked the question.

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Speaker 6: Well, and honestly, the original story of how it came

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Speaker 6: the Civil War that Abraham Lincoln was the first president

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Speaker 6: who kind of she got his ear and he listened

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Speaker 6: and he felt like it would be a way to

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Speaker 6: begin the healing process. And I think you know, there

436
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Speaker 6: was this period called the Colonial Revival that really influenced

437
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Speaker 6: New England food in American culture and New England culture,

438
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Speaker 6: and Thanksgiving was a big part of that. That New

439
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Speaker 6: England was looked at as the oldest and the most

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Speaker 6: influential part of the country. And it occurred right after

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Speaker 6: the Civil War, and I think that really played a

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Speaker 6: part why those southern claims to the holiday were sort

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Speaker 6: of pushed aside, and the cederal holiday was the way

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Speaker 6: that it was being celebrated in New England.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The other thing if Lincoln was talking about bringing

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Speaker 2: the country who was at that point fractured by a

447
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Speaker 2: civil war. The last few Thanksgivings that we've talked about

448
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Speaker 2: here in the radio, a lot of it is how

449
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Speaker 2: do you get along with the relatives who see things

450
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Speaker 2: dramatic differently politically and uh so we're kind of back

451
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Speaker 2: to where it all started. I think, where everybody should

452
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Speaker 2: be able to gather around a meal and put their

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Speaker 2: political disagreements aside and be thankful for everything that we have,

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Speaker 2: uh in in this country. Uh And yeah, I just

455
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Speaker 2: think it's ironic when when you when you think about it,

456
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Speaker 2: that we're kind of back to where we started with

457
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Speaker 2: the depth. I mean, we don't have a civil war, hopefully,

458
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Speaker 2: but it's it's some of the Thanksgivings that I've heard

459
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Speaker 2: about from my listeners have not been the most civil

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Speaker 2: events and in recent in recent years.

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Speaker 6: You know what, I think. You know, there's a phrase

462
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Speaker 6: that that history doesn't repeat itself, but it oftentimes rhymes yes.

463
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Speaker 6: And I think that's something that that when you look at,

464
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Speaker 6: is the Thanksgiving story historically accurate. It's certainly not, or

465
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Speaker 6: at least we don't have enough documentation. But I think

466
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Speaker 6: the one thing that we've gotten right and we could

467
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Speaker 6: really take some inspiration from, is that the concept of

468
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Speaker 6: a thanksgiving it came from pured and it was a

469
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Speaker 6: way to celebrate what you had, and it was a

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Speaker 6: way to sort of acknowledge that something good had happened

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Speaker 6: in the last year or in you know, that a

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Speaker 6: war had ended, or that a drought had ended, or

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Speaker 6: there was the you know, you had a great harvest,

474
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Speaker 6: and that that then triggered we should all gather. We

475
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Speaker 6: should you know, whatever differences we have we can put aside.

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Speaker 6: And the way that that was celebrated was with an

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Speaker 6: abundance of food and sitting down and taking a time

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Speaker 6: to rest and be together. And I think if that's

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Speaker 6: one part of it that that we got right.

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Speaker 5: It's that.

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Speaker 6: And you know, the football fan and you would say,

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Speaker 6: you know, having a good play to games.

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Speaker 2: On My attitude has always been there's like five apps. Family, faith, football, fun,

484
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Speaker 2: and friendship. Those those that's what Thanksgiving is supposed to

485
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Speaker 2: be all about. Well, thanks for the for the perspective. Mark,

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Speaker 2: are you working Thanksgiving as your your your restaurant open

487
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Speaker 2: serving Thanksgiving dinners? Or how are you closed down for the.

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Speaker 6: Day we're closed? I've actually, you know, I've been working

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Speaker 6: in restaurants now for over twenty years and I've been

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Speaker 6: lucky enough that I've never had to work on Thanksgiving,

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Speaker 6: And ever since I started owning my own restaurants, that's

492
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Speaker 6: been a rule that you know, will be closed on

493
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Speaker 6: Thanksgiving Day. We're closed during the daytime on Friday, so

494
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Speaker 6: everyone can kind of get over there their food hangover,

495
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Speaker 6: and but we're doing sort of like Thanksgiving pre orders.

496
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Speaker 6: You can order pies or we make our ound Parker

497
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Speaker 6: House roles. You can order sides from us we're leaving

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Speaker 6: the turkey to our guest, but we're even offering things

499
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Speaker 6: like a package for build your own sandwich where you

500
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Speaker 6: can get bread and bacon and iola and stuff from us.

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Speaker 6: So that's sort of one way that you can still

502
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Speaker 6: have Northern Spy at your Thanksgiving, even though we'll be

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Speaker 6: at home with our family celebrated.

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Speaker 2: If I was living down in the Canton area, I'd

505
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Speaker 2: be lining up at the door on Wednesday morning to

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Speaker 2: purchase some goodies. Thanks. Thanks Mark, you had me at

507
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Speaker 2: Parker House rolls. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 6: Well, they're not going anywhere, so next time you make

509
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Speaker 6: it down we'll have them for it.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Mark. We'll talk again, Thank you very much when

511
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Speaker 2: we get back. We're going to talk about seven toxic bosses. No,

512
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Speaker 2: not the bosses that you've worked for in your career,

513
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Speaker 2: maybe some of them from ghosts to credit thief. Seven

514
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Speaker 2: toxic bosses and how to deal with them. It doesn't

515
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Speaker 2: sound to me like Mark was Mark Sheen is a

516
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 2: toxic boss. Sounds like a great guy to work for.

517
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Speaker 2: But we're going to talk with a business strategist who

518
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Speaker 2: heads the Ethic See group. Sounds like a good organization.

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00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 2: Back on Nightside.

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Speaker 1: Right after this, you're on Night Side with Dan Ray

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Speaker 1: on WBZ, Boston's news radio.

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Speaker 2: We're joined by Dwayne Deson. He's a business strategist and

523
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Speaker 2: heads up a group called the Efficacy Group. That's a

524
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Speaker 2: great name for a group, Dwayne, how are you tonight

525
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Speaker 2: the Efficacy Group?

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Speaker 4: Well, thank you, Dan, I appreciate that.

527
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Speaker 2: So you're going to talk about an article that was

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Speaker 2: written by someone named Anker Wurku. I'm not familiar with that.

529
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Speaker 2: I think enough close enough, give it me right, I'll do,

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Speaker 2: I'll listen. I'll get it rather get it correct away.

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Speaker 2: What is it?

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't have done it any better?

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Speaker 2: Okay. He reveals seven toxic bosses who you will meet

534
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Speaker 2: in your career, who you might meet in your career,

535
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Speaker 2: and how to deal with them. An article out of

536
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Speaker 2: the Economic Time. Just like to give credit here, so

537
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Speaker 2: the seven toxic bosses and all of us can identify.

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Speaker 2: Some of them seem to sort of overlap one. I

539
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 2: read the article. To be honest with you, none of

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Speaker 2: these people should be bosses, from ghost to credit thief,

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Speaker 2: with all delved people like that, I guess. Tell us

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Speaker 2: about some of these characteristics.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think that You're exactly right, and that usually

544
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Speaker 4: it's not one trait that it's actually several traits that

545
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 4: kind of combine and make it even worse than it

546
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 4: would otherwise be. And one of the issues that companies

547
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 4: really need to do is they're supposed to make their

548
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Speaker 4: environment attractive so that they get the best talent. And

549
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 4: if you get the best talent, you don't have to

550
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Speaker 4: pay a premium for them to come work for you.

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Speaker 4: And if you and if you have terrible bosses, you're

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Speaker 4: not going to make your organization attractive and lure the

553
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Speaker 4: best talent. So it's it ripples you out an organization.

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Speaker 4: So I think whether you're a whether you're working for

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Speaker 4: a toxic boss, whether you're you know a toxic boss,

556
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Speaker 4: or maybe even have a few listeners that are those

557
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 4: toxic bosses, it matters to everyone.

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Speaker 2: Well just to hit some of them. Here again, this

559
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Speaker 2: are article by anchor Mariku uh The ghost invisible and

560
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 2: support but visible and blame. Yeah, I get it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'd like to use the metaphor of a baseball manager

562
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Speaker 2: that I made all the right moves, but that pitchure

563
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Speaker 2: hung the curveball. That's why we lost.

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Speaker 4: You're you're Under that scenario, you're you're kind of on

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Speaker 4: your own and you need to make sure you document

566
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Speaker 4: what you need, make sure you document your your progress,

567
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Speaker 4: and then try to find support from your team members

568
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Speaker 4: and see if if you can support each other because

569
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Speaker 4: you're not getting support from your boss.

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Speaker 7: What do you do when you when you go to

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Speaker 7: a company, you you you sign on with someone, and

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Speaker 7: again carrying the metaphor of sports, uh, you could you

573
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Speaker 7: could be a great athlete, and you sign with the

574
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Speaker 7: wrong team, and all of a sudden you realize, oh, man,

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Speaker 7: I was I was happy with that old team.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm with it. What do you do? I mean,

577
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 2: do you, as they say, try to build some alliances

578
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Speaker 2: with other people you don't even know amongst the group

579
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Speaker 2: who the boss might be controlling and might have might

580
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Speaker 2: be a spy. I mean, it can get it can

581
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Speaker 2: get pretty machiavellian. I think it.

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Speaker 4: Is difficult because really, in most average interview scenarios, you

583
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 4: have maybe an hour or two at best with the

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Speaker 4: person you're gonna end up working to where it's and

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Speaker 4: it's and it's a situation where it's not that different

586
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Speaker 4: from a marriage. You're gonna spend a lot of time

587
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Speaker 4: with that individual and and have to have a good

588
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Speaker 4: relationship with that that person, and so two hours isn't

589
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Speaker 4: really much time to make a very very important decision.

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Speaker 4: And if you can, and you always try to, you know,

591
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Speaker 4: check references or see if you find somebody that knows

592
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Speaker 4: somebody that works with that individual. But once you start

593
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 4: there and if if it's not what you expected, you

594
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 4: can't just leave. So you you have to find a

595
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 4: way to shine regardless. And it a little bit depends

596
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 4: on what trade it is and that that's interfering here

597
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 4: or causing the problem, which is how you should handle it.

598
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 4: So some of the traits, like if they're a micromanager

599
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Speaker 4: and we all know what that is, those are traits

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Speaker 4: that sometimes you can talk to the individual and say, look,

601
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Speaker 4: I think maybe I haven't gained your confidence yet, and

602
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 4: how I work how could I better gain your confidence?

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Speaker 4: And a lot of times micromanagers almost appreciate that because

604
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 4: they're overworking themselves, because they're busy micromanaging everybody, and so

605
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 4: they're looking for ways to lessen that if they can't,

606
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 4: and if you can find a way to help them,

607
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 4: they appreciate that. And other situations like some of the

608
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 4: other ones you mentioned where they're credit thieves or they

609
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 4: live in the blame game and those type of things

610
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 4: that they manipulate you. Those are much harder ones to

611
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Speaker 4: deal with, and you have to find a way to

612
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Speaker 4: shine and just believe in yourself and not let their

613
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Speaker 4: toxic environment create doubt in yourself.

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Speaker 2: And the other problem is, particularly if you're on a

615
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Speaker 2: career path, you don't want to have you know, seven

616
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Speaker 2: jobs in your first four years in your career, on

617
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Speaker 2: your career on your resume because no matter what, that's

618
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Speaker 2: going to make you look peripatetic at best and somebody

619
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Speaker 2: who's not willing to stick in a job at worst.

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, move in every six months. Uh. That

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Speaker 2: that's a that's a poison pill in my opinion, on

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Speaker 2: a resume. So tell us about your company, the Efficacy Group.

623
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Speaker 2: What tell us a little bit more about what you

624
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 2: obviously a commenting for us tonight, you're a business strategist.

625
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 2: But what what does your group offer to my listeners?

626
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Speaker 2: What are you do you deal just with institutions, with companies,

627
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 2: with with corporations and businesses, or do you do you

628
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 2: help counsel people who find themselves in these situations.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's interesting that I got into this and became,

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Speaker 4: I guess, a facto expert in this subject because my

631
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 4: background is cost management, and I wrote a book about

632
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 4: cost management and how to help companies be more efficient

633
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 4: and create a successful and buy fairman. And in that effort,

634
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 4: I started listening out the traits and I do this

635
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 4: in my book that are going to hurt a company.

636
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 4: And it was interesting as I realized many of those

637
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 4: same traits impact the company in many ways they wouldn't like.

638
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 4: So if somebody as a manipulator, as we talked about

639
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 4: one of the toxic bosses, they're not only manipulating their employees,

640
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 4: they're manipulating the organization in many ways, and they're toxic

641
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 4: for the overall organization just as they're toxic for the employee.

642
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 4: So what I try to do is try to help

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Speaker 4: companies recognize what challenges they have and how to make

644
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 4: their company. I even refer to this way, how to

645
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 4: make their company attractive, how to make it a place

646
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 4: where people want to work. If you want to save

647
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 4: money as an organization, one of the best ways to

648
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 4: do that is not to have to overpay your employees

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Speaker 4: to come to work. Because no one wants to work

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Speaker 4: there absolutely.

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Speaker 2: What was the name of the book in case people

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Speaker 2: would like to perhaps read.

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Speaker 5: It operationally stealth as in spelts and lean.

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Speaker 2: And as V E Lte.

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Speaker 4: If I'm not mistaken, I appreciate that a lot of

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Speaker 4: people can get that.

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Speaker 5: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: I was a spelling bee champion. Look, I really enjoyed

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Speaker 2: the conversation, the good sense of humor, but it's a

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Speaker 2: serious topic. And I thank you for being with us tonight,

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Speaker 2: Dayne and hopefully get you back at some point. This

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Speaker 2: was a fun conversation. Thank you much.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Well we get back. We're gonna talk about an increasing

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Speaker 2: murder rate in Boston. I mean, it's not off the charts,

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Speaker 2: but it's more than it was a year ago, and

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Speaker 2: a lot of it is happening in one major area

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Speaker 2: in Boston. We're gonna talk with Reverend Kevin Peterson of

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Speaker 2: the New Democracy Coalition. There's some tough stories we're about

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Speaker 2: to talk with you about coming up right after the

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Speaker 2: nine o'clock news, and I want to hear from you

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Speaker 2: whether you live in one of these areas or you

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Speaker 2: live in the relative security of maybe some of the

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Speaker 2: other communities and think for a moment what it would

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Speaker 2: be like in your community if you were dealing with

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Speaker 2: gunfire every night and street murders coming back on nightside