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Speaker 1: KFI AM six forty. You're listening to Dean Sharp the

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Speaker 1: house Whisper on demand on the iHeart Radio app. Your

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Speaker 1: guide to better understanding that place where you live. That's

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Speaker 1: exactly what we're doing today. We're trying to better understand

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Speaker 1: that place where you live so that those changes that

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Speaker 1: remodel that thing, that transformation that you have been yearning

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Speaker 1: for for your home. I wanted to start in the

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Speaker 1: right way, from the right perspective, in the right place.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to just rush ahead with our first

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Speaker 1: perceptions of Okay, well, it's going to have to be

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Speaker 1: this and this. That's all well and good. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, I'm not questioning the accuracy of your wish

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Speaker 1: list for your home. I'm not questioning it, or I

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Speaker 1: should say, I'm not negating it. I am questioning it.

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Speaker 1: Though I'm not negating it. I'm questioning it. I'm only

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Speaker 1: questioning whether or not we have thought through everything about

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Speaker 1: what the house really wants, deserve, needs, and what could

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Speaker 1: really do the most transformative changes to your home before

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Speaker 1: we commit to the what may seem overly obvious to you. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we get very very you know, micro focused kind of

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Speaker 1: blinders on tunnel vision when it comes to you know,

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Speaker 1: the key to my house is remodeling my kitchen. Maybe

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Speaker 1: that's true. Maybe that's true, maybe it's not. Maybe the

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Speaker 1: key to your home has nothing to do with the

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Speaker 1: kitchen per se, but other things. And it is my

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Speaker 1: job as a designer, as a custom home designer, to

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Speaker 1: collaborate with my clients and point out to them, you know,

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Speaker 1: there's this about the property, there's this, there's that, these

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Speaker 1: are the things that that the house needs most. And

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Speaker 1: you know, sometimes I'm right there with you, like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. We've we've we've done our due diligence

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Speaker 1: and and I think we need to, you know, remodel

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Speaker 1: the kitchen, or we need new flooring in this room,

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Speaker 1: or whatever the case may be. But sometimes, maybe more

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Speaker 1: often than not, we end up laying something on the

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Speaker 1: table that the owner did not expect. And especially during

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Speaker 1: our consults, when we do our three hour design consoles,

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Speaker 1: we may end up making suggestions that quite often the

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Speaker 1: reaction is, wow, I never would have thought of that

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Speaker 1: now that I see it, I can't unsee it anymore.

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Speaker 1: And I'm very very happy about that that you can't

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Speaker 1: unsee it, because I wouldn't have brought it up if

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Speaker 1: I didn't think it was something fundamentally important about your property.

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Speaker 1: So we were talking about the sun and its orientation.

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Speaker 1: I want to get back to that. I want to

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Speaker 1: talk about why it matters. We talked about direct sunlight

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Speaker 1: to gather more of it coming in from the north.

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Speaker 1: What about east and west? Well, we're going to return

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Speaker 1: to that conversation, you know what. I'm here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: I want to address eastern west now and then right

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Speaker 1: after this next break. So I'm pushing off calls for

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Speaker 1: just one more segment here so I can finish up

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Speaker 1: this thought cleanly and then we can return to another

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Speaker 1: one after our calls are done. So let's talk just

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Speaker 1: briefly about east and west windows as well. Here's the

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Speaker 1: thing about eastern sun. Eastern sun is cool sunlight. It

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Speaker 1: sun is low in the eastern sky, even direct light

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Speaker 1: sunrise light. Sunrise light is beautiful. It can be as

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Speaker 1: beautiful as sunset light in the west, however, late afternoon

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Speaker 2: It's not. It's not.

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Speaker 1: There's no differential between the brightness of the eastern sun

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Speaker 1: and when the sun sets in the west. However, the

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Speaker 1: not warmed up yet, and so that is cooler feeling

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Speaker 2: Like, that sun is so hot. It's not.

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Speaker 1: It's no brighter than the sun was at ten in

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Speaker 1: And one of the great tragedies of the northwest facing

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Speaker 1: your home wasn't designed with big, gaping, open, glorious windows

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Speaker 1: were kind of poo pooed at that point. It's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: have a house that has larger windows facing east and west,

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Speaker 1: then the question is are we taking advantage of that?

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Speaker 2: Fully?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: Most people like the idea of a morning room connected

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Speaker 1: think about kitchens, they think about cooking dinner. Okay, However,

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Speaker 1: when you really you know, kind of dig under American culture. Man,

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Speaker 1: That's an opportunity. Can we take advantage of it with

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Speaker 1: on where things are facing, how the sun travels across

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Speaker 1: of in the first place. And the same holds true

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Speaker 1: of course for the sunset and capturing it as well.

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Speaker 1: Of course, this extends beyond the house into the yard

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Speaker 1: I promise we're going to the phones.

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Speaker 1: Reach me eight three to three two. Ask Dean eight

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Speaker 1: three to three, the numeral two. Ask Dean your calls

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Speaker 1: when we return your Home with Dean Sharp the house whist.

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Speaker 4: KFI AM six forty.

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Speaker 2: Thrilled to be talking to you about your home.

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Speaker 1: And it's always an honor, always an honor and a

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Speaker 1: pleasure to spend time with you. I know how important

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Speaker 1: your weekends are. Gosh, I know how important my weekends are.

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Speaker 1: And so the thought that you've carved out some time

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Speaker 1: to hang here with me and talk about this all

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Speaker 1: a great honor and a pleasure. And I do not

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Speaker 1: take it for granted. All right, speaking of talking directly

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Speaker 1: to you about these things, it's time to go to

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Speaker 1: to talk to Rick, Hey, Rick, welcome home.

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Speaker 3: Yes, good morning, Dean.

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Speaker 5: Thank you for taking my call, and we have the

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Speaker 5: perfect topic today talking about the sun and where it's

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Speaker 5: setting on the house. I have a house that's nineteen

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Speaker 5: gets really hot, I mean really hot. The neighbors across

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Speaker 5: the street had a huge tree and tore it down.

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Speaker 5: So that was my fail safe, has to be able

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Speaker 5: to keep the house cool. But that has been taken

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Speaker 5: And I was just wondering what would be a good

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Speaker 3: Cool off that wall.

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Speaker 5: I've been seen around that there's places that girl plants

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Speaker 5: that from kind of ivy the girls on the wall.

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Speaker 5: Not sure if that cools off the wall or keeps

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Speaker 5: the heat coming in the house or maybe even five

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Speaker 5: or cement siding or do you have a suggestion?

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, So let's talk a little bit then about

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Speaker 1: the orientation of your home. When we're talking about that

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Speaker 1: western sun and that western wall, what wall is it?

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Speaker 1: What which direction is the house facing, what what are

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Speaker 1: the what's that that heat affecting?

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Speaker 2: What rooms are we talking about?

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Speaker 3: Mainly the living room?

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Speaker 5: And when I had the air condition put in, and

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Speaker 5: I told the guy that this this living room gets

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Speaker 5: really hot because the living room wall faces west, and

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Speaker 5: he goes, well, you're going to need two supplies and

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Speaker 5: two returns to get that hot. And sure enough it helps,

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Speaker 5: but you know, it's just drving my lecture bill of

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Speaker 5: like crazy. The front door faces south and it has

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Speaker 3: But that west wall of the living room which.

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Speaker 5: We're always in, and it just gets the unbearable, unbearable hot.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so a couple more questions, Yeah, yeah, a couple

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Speaker 1: more questions. You said the house was built in nineteen

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Speaker 2: Sorry, sorry, thirty nine, okay, nineteen thirty nine.

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Speaker 1: Home that wall, we've got a big window in that

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Speaker 5: H Well, I had a little remodeling, so there's a

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Speaker 5: and those are double plane windows. It's not very big,

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Speaker 5: but it just it still sucks up the heat and

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Speaker 5: you can almost feel that heat coming through the windows,

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Speaker 5: even though they're double double pained windows. Okay, but then

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Speaker 5: the window on that side.

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Speaker 1: Okay, gotcha, gotcha. But the wall in general is just

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Speaker 1: I mean, you can feel the wall radiating heat. What

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Speaker 1: about insulation in this nineteen thirty nine home, because I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you, in nineteen thirty nine, nobody in southern California

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Speaker 1: was insulating exterior walls. It wasn't even part of the code.

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Speaker 1: Is that an insulated wall?

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Speaker 5: No, that is not And I have been asked about that,

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Speaker 5: and I've been I want you to do it, but

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Speaker 5: the house is built by a DII Wire who built

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Speaker 5: everything himself, So I'm not sure how the the separation

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Speaker 5: stuckle surface on the outside. Okay, well there's quite a

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Speaker 5: bit of I know there's no insulation. But yeah, I

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Speaker 5: have heard that if I do insulate that they will

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Speaker 5: but I'm not sure you're really gonna find the right

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Speaker 1: Pumping in expanding foam closed cell foam insulation into the wall.

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Speaker 4: KFI AM six forty.

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Speaker 1: Every home deserves great design, especially your because that's where

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Speaker 2: My friend.

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Speaker 1: It is ground central for you, ground central, ground zero,

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Speaker 1: It's HQ, it's something, it's you.

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Speaker 2: Know, it's important. That's what we're doing. Home is important.

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Speaker 1: It is the launching pad for everything you do every

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Speaker 2: Love talking to you.

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Speaker 1: And we're taking calls right now, and it's time to

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Speaker 2: I want to talk to Pat. Hey, Pat, welcome.

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Speaker 3: Home, Hey Dean, thanks for letting me on the big show.

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Speaker 2: Oh you are very welcome, sir. How can I help?

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Speaker 3: she read somewhere that can be a problem with LVP,

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Speaker 3: and our flooring guy who's put in the floor in

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Speaker 3: is a big proponent of the new waterproof laminate. He said,

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Speaker 3: if I was doing my house over again, I would

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Speaker 3: use that. And I don't know why. Maybe it's more

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Speaker 3: realistic looking, I don't know, But should we be concerned

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Speaker 3: about plastic in the environment from LVP.

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Speaker 1: I think everybody should be concerned about plastics in the

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Speaker 1: environment because we're surrounded by plastics, and so I'm all

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Speaker 1: in with your wife's concerns. I will be very super

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Speaker 1: honest and realistic and tell you that both laminates and

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Speaker 1: plastics lvps are going to off gas in their own way.

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Speaker 1: I know of no laminate or LVP flooring, and most

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Speaker 1: hardwood floors because they're engineered these days with glues and such.

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Speaker 1: We have to be concerned about all of them in

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Speaker 1: terms of their ongoing off gassing. Right, they're VOCs, they're

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Speaker 1: volatile organic compounds, right, and that's what we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about off gasing of plastics into the air

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Speaker 1: that we breathe and into the environments around us. And yes,

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Speaker 1: the less reputable, cheaper lvps and laminates out there, and

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Speaker 1: hardwood floors they all, you know, they're cheaper because they

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Speaker 1: use cheaper materials, less expensive adhesives, and that we just

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Speaker 1: don't worry about the chemical makeup there, and they off

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Speaker 1: gas a lot. However, that is a concern throughout the industry.

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Speaker 1: And there are some fine lvps and laminates and hardwoods

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Speaker 1: out there that take it very very seriously.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not going to.

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Speaker 1: Say eliminate off gassing altogether, but reduce it significantly, significantly

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Speaker 1: to the to the point of getting beyond any localized

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Speaker 1: health concerns.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Just not absolutely hitting the zero mark, but reduced volatile

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Speaker 1: organic compounds, lowered off gassing because of the material and

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Speaker 1: the chemical choices made. So is are the new waterproof

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Speaker 1: laminates are they? Do they off gas less than LVP?

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Speaker 1: I can't speak to that directly because there are so

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Speaker 1: many brands out there, It's not like it's just one

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Speaker 1: uniform field.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: This is what I would do, though, I would stay

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Speaker 1: conscientious like you guys obviously are h and do your

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Speaker 1: homework with the specific brands that you're looking for. Look

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Speaker 1: for the lowest off gassing possible. And so with that said.

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Speaker 1: With that said, let me just speak for a moment

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Speaker 1: as the from the designer's perspective about the new waterproof

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Speaker 1: laminates versus the lvps LVP luxury vinyl plank. It's a

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Speaker 1: vinyl product through and through. It is a resilient floor,

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Speaker 1: meaning that it has a little give to it.

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Speaker 2: It's softer.

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Speaker 1: It's a softer floor to walk on to stand on

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Speaker 1: because it's an all vinyl products, so it's a little squishier,

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Speaker 1: as we say, than a laminate floor. Laminate floor has

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Speaker 1: a very very hard surface coating on the top, and

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Speaker 1: then it has a core underneath it and the old

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Speaker 1: lamin It's the reason why we've moved away from the

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Speaker 1: old laminates is because even though that surface on the

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Speaker 1: top was water resistant and you know waterproof, the surface

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Speaker 1: was waterproof, but if water got underneath, to the soft

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Speaker 1: underbelly as it were, then they would swell and they

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Speaker 1: would they would just it would just be a mess.

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Speaker 1: And lvps don't do that because they're vinyl through and through.

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Speaker 1: You can throw LVP into the pool and not have

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Speaker 1: it change its consistency, it's shape, its size for months

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Speaker 1: and pull it back out and put it in your room.

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Speaker 1: That's why we can run it into bathrooms and such.

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Speaker 1: But lambinit's a special new class of laminates have come

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Speaker 1: out that have a waterproof core, so they are just

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Speaker 1: as waterproof as the lvp's. The difference is the surface.

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Speaker 1: And now I'm up against a break, so pat you

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Speaker 1: hang tight. We'll talk about what the difference between those

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Speaker 1: two is, are right, after the break, This has been

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