1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:06,359 Speaker 1: Tony Pike Cincy three sixty about Cincinnati from Cincinnati, sponsored 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 1: in hard by Penn Station East Coast Subs, hand crept 3 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:14,319 Speaker 1: It hot grilled subs, fresh cut fries and lemonade. It's 4 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: all about good taste. Penn Station East Coast Subs order 5 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: on mine today. This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. 6 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 2: All right, welcome back our three Thanks to Fenn Station. 7 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 2: Thank you for listening on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. 8 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 2: Little college hoops preview coming up in this hour as well. 9 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 2: We'll talk to Moagar. But let's get things started with 10 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 2: our guy from Local twelve here, Skenny, as you know him. 11 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 2: It's Richard Skinner joining us right now. What up, Skinny? 12 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 3: What's going on? Tony? Good to hear from you, Skinny. 13 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:50,480 Speaker 2: How are you doing? 14 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 3: I'm doing fabulous. How about yourself? 15 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 2: Well, you know I'm doing pretty well. Big game coming 16 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 2: up here barcodes Ac Joints. Ready. Look, dadies Lewis is 17 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 2: forty one. He just got signed back today. We've seen 18 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,479 Speaker 2: the Flacco reemergence. I might stay back from Utah on 19 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 2: Saturday just in case I'm needed. 20 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 3: They may they may need you. I mean at the 21 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 3: rate they're going with quarterbacks that they're gonna need somebody 22 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:15,759 Speaker 3: who's got some experiences position you you. 23 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 2: Heard Zach Taylor today, uh fifty to fifty for Joe Flacco. 24 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 2: He's pushing to want to play. As it sits here today, 25 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 2: how do you think that this plays out. 26 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:28,919 Speaker 3: I don't imagine he plays. I mean, that's a pretty 27 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 3: serious injury. It's funny. He just literally and Trey Henderson 28 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 3: rode by by me a second ago on a cart. 29 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 3: They're heading to practice right now, obviously not dressed for practice. 30 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 3: The one thing I can tell you is this, and 31 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 3: I think Zach made it abundantly clear that if he 32 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 3: doesn't take any practice reps, he's still and Sunday says 33 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 3: I can go that he probably will give it a go. 34 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 3: But I just I just don't see it. I'm tony, 35 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 3: I'll be honest with you. I mean, watching him on Sunday, 36 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 3: after he came out and was started to throw on 37 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 3: the sidelines, you could tell he was wincing in pain. 38 00:01:57,880 --> 00:01:59,639 Speaker 3: He went back to the locker room. I would imagine 39 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 3: he got a shot in there that are allowed him 40 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 3: to finish that game. After the game, it wasn't it 41 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 3: wasn't hurting him, but as you know, I mean, you 42 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 3: get shot up, you're not feeling anything right, So then 43 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 3: the next day comes and suddenly there is a real pain, 44 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 3: and then you see what it is and get it 45 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 3: checked out and find out what the official injury is, 46 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 3: which is his brain day seed joint. Those I think 47 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 3: those are awful, tough to come back from in a week. 48 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 2: On top of that, you mentioned Trey Hendrickson riding by 49 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 2: with him as well. Does this feel similar as as 50 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 2: what we saw last week of taking it easy during 51 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 2: practice and building up or is this a little bit 52 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 2: more significant, a little bit more up in the air 53 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 2: on if you'll get him on Sunday. 54 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, he was probably still dealing with some 55 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 3: some swordus in the hip when he was playing Sunday 56 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 3: and then reaggravated it. And I would think the reaggravation 57 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 3: probably would would blend to him probably not playing this 58 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 3: week either, and especially with the bye week looming, and 59 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 3: try to get it fully healed up. You know, if 60 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 3: he does practice tomorrow and that's not off the table yet, 61 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:57,239 Speaker 3: then I think that's at least a step in the 62 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 3: direction of him giving it a shot. But even if 63 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 3: he plays, I wouldn't imagine it's a It's a full 64 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 3: rotational number of snaps. I mean again, you've injured that 65 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 3: hit now twice in the last three weeks, tried to 66 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 3: come back from it after missing a game, and then 67 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,959 Speaker 3: reinjured the very first game you come back. That's probably 68 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:14,679 Speaker 3: not a recipe to say he's gonna play this week 69 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 3: coming off that injury again. 70 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 2: It's it's hard because on offense, we've talked so much 71 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 2: about just get Jamar Chase the ball, Get Jamar Chase 72 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 2: the ball. Is there a Is there a universe in 73 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 2: which you're trying to get Jamar Chase the ball too much, 74 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 2: just feeding him so much that now all of a 75 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 2: sudden you look up and T Higgins was only targeted twice. 76 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 2: Is there a Is there a fine line of balance 77 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 2: when it comes to how much you're pushing the ball 78 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 2: to Jamar Chase as a quarterback? 79 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 3: I think there is. I mean it is. I I listen, 80 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 3: I know, you know they made a point at the 81 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 3: end of the game. They doubled both Jamar and T 82 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 3: and that's why the ball went to Andrea yoshibash But 83 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 3: I can't imagine any world where andre yoshibash gets more 84 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 3: targets than T Higgins in the game. He got three, 85 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 3: t got two. And listen again, I know coverage dictated 86 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 3: some of that, but I don't think they were doubling 87 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 3: on every play. So you know, the thing right now 88 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 3: is they're finding ways to scheme jam arow open. It 89 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 3: is incredible. I mean almost what forty targets in the 90 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 3: last two games. I mean that seems almost crazy to 91 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 3: think about. But you know, the fact of moving him 92 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 3: around and doing some different things with him like they 93 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 3: did at points last year, I think I think it's 94 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 3: it's been a good recipe for them. Yeah. The other 95 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 3: part that equation, though, is again, I can't find a 96 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 3: world where I only find a way to target teams twice. 97 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,679 Speaker 3: By the way, garget five times on jump balls alone. 98 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 2: You know you you mentioned Yoshi and Austin had the statue. 99 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 2: I don't have the stats in front of me, Direk, 100 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 2: but I know of something along the lines of the 101 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 2: separation is not there. He's had drops and he's not 102 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 2: making contested catches. Yoshi vas is not being asked to 103 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 2: beat double teams. He's not being asked to take on 104 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 2: the top cover guys of another team. He's asked to 105 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 2: win one on one matchups against probably a team's start 106 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 2: or fourth best cover guy. With what we've seen to 107 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 2: this point, is it time to see Mitchell Tinsley? Is 108 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 2: it time to give Jermaine Burton an opportunity on a Sunday? 109 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 2: What do you what do you view as that wide 110 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 2: receiver three solution? 111 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 3: Oh, I think they'd like to give Jermain Berger an 112 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 3: opportunity if Jermane Burton would quit screwing up. I mean, 113 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 3: I think that's that's a part of it. Yeah, I 114 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 3: would watch rather see Mitchell Tinsley at this point. And 115 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 3: and you know, to Austin's point, I think that last 116 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 3: play in the in the game on sunny he's a 117 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 3: perfect example, very little separation, was a contested catch. Was 118 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 3: it an easy catch? No, it was not easy catch. 119 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 3: But you know NFL wide receivers have to make those catches, 120 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 3: and he didn't, and he had some drop issues and 121 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 3: that either that's the same part about that's where the 122 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 3: coverage dictated the throw went. They took away Jamal, they 123 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 3: took away t Andre, had one on one situation and 124 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 3: really couldn't beat the one on one and then when 125 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 3: the throw was you know, he had to make the 126 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 3: throw and it could have been caught by Andre and 127 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 3: he didn't. So yeah, I think it is. I we 128 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 3: asked Dan Pitcher today when we talked to him for 129 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 3: a little bit, and he says he still had a 130 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 3: lot of confidence in Andre. And I know how coaches 131 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 3: can sometimes coach speak it up, because that's what it 132 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 3: feels like. Because they had desperate, in my opinion, need 133 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 3: to find a third wide receiver because right now Andrea 134 00:05:58,000 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 3: Ooshibasch is not working that spot. 135 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 4: They have figured something out. It seems like in the 136 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 4: run game, Skinny, do you feel like because of how 137 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 4: bad the defensive has been that Zach will start to 138 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 4: lean more onto the run game just to limit the 139 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 4: amount of time that the defense is actually on the field. 140 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 3: No, I still think he's a past first guy, but 141 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 3: I do think they've leaned on it more because they've 142 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 3: had success in it. And I wrote a story last week. 143 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 3: I mean, I asked dam Pitcher, I has a couple 144 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 3: offense lineman, I have Zach in the press conference, I 145 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 3: what kind of started to click in the run game, 146 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 3: And there was really no one answer to it. Some 147 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 3: of it is guys were just playing better up front. 148 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 3: Some of it is, you know, the chance to lean 149 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 3: on it a little bit more. Some of it is 150 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 3: they've gone under center a little bit more with Joe Flaccow, 151 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 3: and I would assume they will do that with Jake Browning. 152 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 3: And I think that's helped the run game a little bit, 153 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 3: where now you get a running back with a little 154 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 3: bit more but downhill start to things. And I think 155 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 3: it's all it's all kind of pieced together maybe the 156 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 3: right time, because they could really need, they really need 157 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:54,799 Speaker 3: the run game to lean on on Sunday. 158 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,239 Speaker 2: It goes without saying that the defensive performance has been putrid. 159 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 2: Give we have thirty nine to that Jets team after 160 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 2: their quarterback was publicly pretty much disgraced by their owner. 161 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 2: They didn't have Garrett Wilson in the game, they didn't 162 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 2: have their second leading receiver in the game, and yet 163 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 2: they put up thirty nine points. After the game, we're 164 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 2: left hearing things like someone needs to step up looking 165 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 2: for a leader on that side of the ball. They 166 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 2: had a players only meeting this week on the defensive side. 167 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 2: Who's the leader on the defensive side of the ball 168 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 2: or who could be a leader on the defensive side 169 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 2: of the ball, skinny, because the hard part is, as 170 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 2: you know, if you want to be that leader, your 171 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 2: play also has to back it up to a certain 172 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 2: extent or else you're gonna have guys sitting there saying, well, 173 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 2: why is he talking about this when he's not doing 174 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 2: his job? Who is that on defense? 175 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 3: I think it's Brett Carter. But then again, Brett Carter 176 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 3: had really good moments on Sunday, and then he also 177 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 3: had a moment where he had the other running back, 178 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 3: Davis get in the hole. I mean, made the right diagnosis, 179 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 3: triggered quickly right in the hole one on one and 180 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 3: he runs right through him on a tackle and go 181 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 3: fifty yards. That can't happen. And I think to your point, 182 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 3: I think he is that leader. I think they believe 183 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 3: he can be that leader. But if you're going to 184 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 3: miss a tackle in the hole, it is hard to 185 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 3: be the leader, right, So he needs to make some 186 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 3: more plays to become that guy. But I think he 187 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 3: is that guy that I think they're gonna lean on 188 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 3: to become that leader. 189 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 2: The early returns on this year's draft class, Shamar Stewart 190 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 2: has not played well up to this point, and I 191 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 2: know he missed time in camp, but he's got one 192 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 2: tackle he's putting credit for on the season. Dimitrius Knight 193 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 2: is missing a lot of tackles. Are what are your 194 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 2: early returns on the top end of this draft class? 195 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 2: Because it was so pivotal with the money they're spending 196 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 2: that you have to hit on your top end draft picks. 197 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 2: What's your early view of that? 198 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 3: So, Tony, I'm actually after I get done right in 199 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 3: this Joe Slacker injured story. I'm gonna do a doing 200 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 3: a column on redrafting the first three rounds this draft 201 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 3: for the Bengals to where I would take g Hot 202 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 3: Campbell in the first round. Yep, there's my line. There's 203 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 3: one of my linebacker fixes. Believe I probably I don't. 204 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 3: I'm only doing the first three rounds because I think 205 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 3: thosere the guys you you should lean on. But I 206 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 3: think Derrek Cart and Jaden Rivers are gonna work out 207 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:07,319 Speaker 3: finest fourth and fifth round picks. And they are kind 208 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 3: of working out fine as fourth and fifth round picks. 209 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 3: But you'd had G. Cambell in the first round Tate 210 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 3: Rattles in the second round because you said Tate Ratlage, 211 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 3: you didn't do to do Dylan Fairschild and Xavier Watson 212 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 3: the third round as a safety because they have no 213 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 3: backup safety at the moment. They just don't and they 214 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 3: need one. They need somebody to I just stepped in 215 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 3: and play for one of these two guys in the 216 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 3: back end, and they just don't have that guy. And 217 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 3: so that to me, And I know it's revisionists, but 218 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 3: I know all those guys and you guys probably talked 219 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 3: about it too, All those guys were talked about in 220 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 3: those in those shots in the draft, and yet they 221 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 3: went three different directions. They took a guy who again 222 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 3: had long, long traits, short on production and to your point, 223 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 3: I mean, I can't remember how he snaps he played 224 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 3: in the last game, but it was just rounded to 225 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 3: fifty snatch in the last two games that he's played. 226 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 3: It might be a little bit more. Man even I 227 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 3: know he played twenty two in the in the Pittsburgh 228 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 3: game and one assisted tackle. 229 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 2: That's just that's just jumping on a pile, skinny, That's 230 00:09:58,120 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 2: exactly right. 231 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 4: This leads me to ask, why is this so hard 232 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 4: for them? Like, is there anything you can pull? Everybody 233 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 4: wants to blame the size of the scouting department, but 234 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 4: I don't know that that matters that much. I'm sure 235 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,079 Speaker 4: it plays a role, but it seems like they make 236 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 4: it so much harder on themselves. 237 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 3: It feels like I could take Dang Brugler's Beast Guide 238 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 3: and do it better. I mean, honestly, yeah, I think 239 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 3: fans can probably take the guide and do it better. 240 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 3: It's almost you know, they're long on these traits, things 241 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 3: like Miles Mersey has traits and we see you saw 242 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 3: it and can't tell I mean, smart short has traits. 243 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 3: I mean he's a freak when when he gets clicking. 244 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 3: But production does mean something. Yeah, I mean, neither one 245 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 3: of those guys can disengage on block. It's not just 246 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 3: a matter of not getting to the corn mark. They 247 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 3: can't even get disengaged on blocks. And you had to 248 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 3: have seen that on tape. You had to have seen 249 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 3: that person as a scout, You had to see what 250 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 3: the production was on paper, and yet you went ahead 251 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 3: and did it an It's almost like you're trying to 252 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 3: be the smartest guy in the room when just make 253 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 3: the easy decision. Don't be the smartest guy in the room. 254 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, Gihad Campbell has an eighty three point one PFF 255 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 2: grade this year so far, or four hundred and sixty 256 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 2: one snaps. He's six out of registered linebackers across the 257 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 2: National Football League In ret Ledge is starting at guard 258 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 2: for the Detroit Lions and playing extremely productive. It's it's maddening, 259 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 2: and it leaves I guess the major question, Skinny, because 260 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 2: here comes the trade deadline. I don't know if just 261 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 2: one edition would help this team. Losing to the Jets 262 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 2: certainly helps that Outlook, do you see this team doing 263 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,719 Speaker 2: anything one way or the other by this time at 264 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 2: the deadline next week? 265 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 3: I think if things are if they lose the Bears, 266 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 3: I think you really have to look long and hard 267 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 3: at trading trade heads. Except there's one problem with that 268 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 3: at the moment, he's got the hit issue. What team 269 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 3: wants to take that on with the money attached to 270 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 3: it with a guy you're not sure how good a 271 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 3: h is? It? 272 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 2: Well, it's also if you get picks in return, do 273 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 2: you trust that they're going to utilize those picks? 274 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:49,559 Speaker 3: See, that's just as fair of a point. You're right, 275 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 3: there's no question about that. Yeah, I don't think if not, 276 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 3: they're in their DNA to go out and get somebody. 277 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:56,319 Speaker 3: I mean, i'd say I'm not telling you they shouldn't, 278 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 3: but it just doesn't seem like that's that's in the cards. 279 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,439 Speaker 3: And honestly, it's not just one guy. They need helping 280 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 3: at really almost every level on the defense. I mean, 281 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 3: we can argue the rookies linebackers, just let them keep 282 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 3: playing through this and they'll get better with experience, and 283 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:11,719 Speaker 3: I do think they will. I do like both of them, 284 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 3: but it is hard to play two rookies together. I mean, 285 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 3: I don't think they're doing this other than that out 286 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 3: of necessity because Logan Wilson's play and slips so badly. 287 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, you could use another corner. You 288 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 3: could certainly use at least a safety, if not a couple. 289 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 3: A guy who could rush the pass or other than 290 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:27,959 Speaker 3: Trean Henderson would sure be nice to have. It'd be 291 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 3: a nice little luxury out of the say hey we 292 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 3: have a guy, go get the cornerback, because you have 293 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 3: nobody right now to go get the cool right I 294 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 3: mean they you know, they have three quarterback hits in 295 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 3: the last two games combined. Yeah, one of them on 296 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 3: that nine second scramble Aaron Rodgers head to meet yours 297 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 3: night hit him at the end, and the other one 298 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 3: from a cornerback Cam Tiller bred on a blitz this 299 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 3: past weekend. Yeah, that's it. Three quarterback hits and one 300 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 3: of them was on it for nine seconds and the 301 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 3: other one by a cornerback. That's embarrassing. 302 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 4: At what point do you think, Skinny, is the point 303 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 4: of no return for them to where you know if 304 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 4: it is it a loss this week against the Bears, 305 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 4: is a loss coming out of the by against the 306 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 4: Steelers to the where they say, Okay, this is a 307 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 4: lost season and we're going to start changing some things. 308 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 4: And if so, what kind of changes would you expect 309 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:08,319 Speaker 4: when it reaches that point. 310 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 3: I would say through the Pittsburgh game, because Pittsburgh could 311 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 3: lose this week, and even if you lost as Goofies, 312 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 3: it sounds you only game and a half out and 313 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 3: you get a chance to go to Pittsburgh and close 314 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 3: that gap to a half game. I mean, if you 315 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 3: win this week, there's still is a world where you 316 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 3: go to Pittsburgh with them five and four U four 317 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 3: and five and a chance to tie for first place 318 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 3: as Goofy's. That's sound. Yeah, So I would say through 319 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 3: that game. If you'll lose to the Bears, and you 320 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 3: lose that game, I think it becomes a lost cause. 321 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 3: But I just don't know what changes they're going to 322 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 3: make at that point. I aga any changes you see, 323 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 3: it will come at the end of the season. 324 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 2: H skinny. Speaking of changes to come, Brian Kelly has 325 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 2: already been removed. The seat for Luke Fickle seems increasingly hot. 326 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 2: What about down in the Bluegrass? How is how's the 327 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 2: seat for Mark Stoops right now in Kentucky? 328 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 3: Well, unless somebody can write a thirty million dollar check 329 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 3: that they have to pay him thirty eight million dollars 330 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 3: and in sixty days of firing, oh read out within 331 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,959 Speaker 3: sixty days. Now, you can maybe try to negotiate that 332 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 3: and say, hey, we kind of screwed up on our end. 333 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 3: We can we do this in an installment. 334 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 2: It's a plan. 335 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, can we do this in like a ten year 336 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 3: payment plan and day it'll behoove you too. I mean, 337 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 3: that was one of the worst contracts negotiating, and I 338 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 3: believe I think I have this right. So, you know, 339 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 3: the whole thing with the James Franklin buy out, there's 340 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 3: all set language that James Franklin gets hired by Florida. 341 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 3: Let's say sure that the money that Pennstaate owes him 342 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 3: is offset by the money he's getting paid at Florida. 343 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 3: There's no offset language to my no house in Mark 344 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 3: Stevens contract. You're gone. He's thirty eight mel budd, he 345 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 3: have a good day here. He could take thirty eight 346 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 3: mil and go Coak somewhere else. 347 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 2: It's a good agent. 348 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 3: It's a great agent. Smart man on the trustees and 349 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 3: bad on the kind of contract. 350 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 2: You ain't kidding. That is Richard Skinner from Local twelve. Uh, 351 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 2: you mentioned the the Joe Flaco update. You got the 352 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 2: piece coming up about redrafting. What's the easiest way to 353 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 2: follow along with everything you got coming up? 354 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 3: Yep, just at the Local twelve dot com slash sports 355 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 3: or follow me on the Twitter verse at Local twelve. 356 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 2: Skinny, Skinny, you're the best. Thank you man? 357 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 3: All right there? 358 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 2: He is skinny Richard Skinner from Local twelve. 359 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 4: Gosh, Skinny doesn't I just realized Skinny doesn't follow me 360 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 4: on Twitter. 361 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 2: Wow, that kind of hurts. Now it's time to call 362 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 2: him out, call him back. That kind of hurt call 363 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 2: him back, put him on dangs skinny. All right, basketball season, 364 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 2: as we just talked about for the UC Bearcats kicked up, 365 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 2: kicks up on Monday. Yeah, we'll spend times as the 366 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 2: season gets closer as well. We'll talk about the Muskies 367 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 2: as well. But when we come back. Wes Miller held 368 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 2: a press conference today to talk about the start of 369 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 2: their season happening on Monday. You'll hear that next on 370 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station Now