1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: A number of people listening to our news on the 2 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 1: March segment thought that there was a very easy sidebar 3 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 1: that we, you know, we seem to be ignoring. 4 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 2: And that was when we've talked about the. 5 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: I guess the sex store auction off hundreds of items online. 6 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: I think until tomorrow we are aware of the updates 7 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: on the adult bathhouse story. Oh yeah, which apparently is 8 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: under considerable to reopen them. 9 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 2: But I'm not stupid. 10 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: It was already on Kessler's list, So we wait with 11 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 1: eager anticipation to see how Kessler delivers that particular nugget 12 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: of information, the potential return of adult bathhouses in which 13 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: consenting adults would be allowed to I guess, engage whatever, 14 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 1: you know, lascivious behavior they wanted to. That's why it's 15 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 1: been explained to me what a bath house is. Well, 16 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: I don't know that it has to be that, but 17 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: I'm not a great bath house mind. But it kind 18 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 1: of turned into that. We bless Custler, and I'm sure 19 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: he'll have all the background on it as well. I 20 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: have no question that nothing would enhance the restaurant industry 21 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: more than that. I'm sure sure that maybe we'll have 22 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: I'm guessing that might have a better impact than the 23 00:01:57,880 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: e Michelin guide. 24 00:01:59,120 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 3: Thing. 25 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: Could be wrong on that, but that's just me being 26 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: a little bit on the snarky side. 27 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 2: Let me find. 28 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: The and then I'm going to finally allow you to 29 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 1: pay off the teas when I asked you for your 30 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: own opinion about Geno apology and the Dawn Stalely reaction. 31 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: Our good friend Adam Platt, who we appreciate his listening 32 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: to the program he's taught. He heard us talking about 33 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: the subject yesterday that we got into regarding the safety 34 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: of our transit lines, right the story that had been 35 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: in the start tribute on that, and we talked about 36 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: you know, barriers and making people pay and all that 37 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: sort of thing. He tells us that the green line 38 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: of Blue Line really can't be secured with barrier barrier 39 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: gates because most of the stations are are what he 40 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: calls at grade yes, so you can just you know, 41 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: just walk off the platform over the tracks to evade 42 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: the gates. That the lines were built in the European 43 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: Honor system style, where fair enforcement is random on board. 44 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: Only a small number of elevator or underground stations on 45 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: the system could be secured mostly on the Blue Line. 46 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: Transit could put a security to every station and on 47 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: every train, as Seattle apparently does, and I suspect that's 48 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: what will be necessary to arrest the decline of reader 49 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: of ridership. So interesting update from him on some of 50 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: the on the ground realities here that might, you know, 51 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: physically speaking, make it almost impossible. The problem with this alternative, 52 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: I think, is that that's more manpower back to cost 53 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: and manpower as opposed to it. Once a gate's up, 54 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: a gates up, one could assume if it's sturdy and 55 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: if it really keeps people out who are not interested 56 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: in paying So more on that later. So if you're 57 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: just joining us now, I mentioned that we and evaluate 58 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: apologies via the Pelf scale on the Apologazal segment over 59 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: the years, and I had evaluated the original Gena Ariema 60 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: apology as no worthy, no more worthy of, no more 61 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: than a half pelf, largely because he did not mention 62 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 1: the individual that he needed to apologize to first, the 63 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 1: South Carolina head coach Don Staley, who, as I said, 64 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 1: I have no problem with rivalries. I have no problem 65 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 1: with two coaches not particularly liking one another, and I 66 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: don't even know what their history is. 67 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 2: That's part of the game. 68 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: But under those conditions, to literally do everything in his 69 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: power to sort of pitch a very adolescent fit at 70 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: the moment where she's supposed to be celebrating a good 71 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: victory over an undefeated team was embarrassing to him. And 72 00:04:55,480 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: you have to start with her, not just saying her 73 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: staff and everybody else. So he is maybe a heard 74 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: from people saying not enough, even though a couple of 75 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 1: people said, well, he did say he called her directly, 76 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: But at that point early what I heard was that 77 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: Staley said, well, I haven't really checked my text, or 78 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: I don't know if I really have, so who knows 79 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: how if she's playing a game there too. So he 80 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 1: comes back with a more frontal APOLOGYEP in which he 81 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: does do I think a better job of dressing himself down, 82 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: and he does name her specifically, makes her a big 83 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: part of this. So if you've already half pelfed it, 84 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: can you save yourself with another full pelf or does 85 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: that still have to be downgraded? If it took a 86 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 1: second chance for a guy who should have known better 87 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 1: from the beginning to get to that place. 88 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 4: Very simply, I gave him no extra credit for the 89 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 4: eventual full pelf. It's like in college when your grade is, 90 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 4: you know, eighty percent of the homework in attendance, and 91 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 4: then the final exam is twenty percent or whatever. He 92 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 4: gets a zero percent bump on the second full pelf. 93 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 4: So I still I would probably give him a quarterpel 94 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 4: for the first apology. I don't even know if I 95 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 4: can go half. 96 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: Well, I said half, just because half casar to to 97 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: say the quarter, but you're probably probably could be quarter. 98 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 2: You're right, So it certainly wasn't full. No, I don't give. 99 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 4: Him much credit for it at all, because it's, first 100 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 4: of all, this should have been a one day story. 101 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 4: Maybe I actually got more annoyed by the multiple statements 102 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 4: yesterday because at some point it's how many more statements 103 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 4: do we need here? 104 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 2: Guys? Like it was a dumb moment. It was stupid. 105 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 4: I don't think it's worth the endless discussion and teeth 106 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 4: gnashing on. Well, did he apologize enough? Did he apologize 107 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 4: to the right person? What does Dawn think? Did he 108 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:45,679 Speaker 4: call her? Did they take the call? 109 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 2: Like? 110 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,359 Speaker 4: Do we do this, and I'm being serious about this, 111 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 4: do we do this in men's sports. If coaches getting fights, 112 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 4: do we have to have a statement about it? Fifty 113 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 4: two times? I don't think we do, right, I think 114 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 4: they get asked about it, kind of move on. 115 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's a greater chance they would if 116 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: the first one is as failed as it was. I 117 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: think that's what leads led to you. I would argue that, 118 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: And this is what I've we've always said about Apolo Dazzle. 119 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: When when all the big shots get in a room 120 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: with the individual who's being you know, who's kind of 121 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: going to be forced to apologize, when they sit down 122 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: and try to consider the strategy of it and what 123 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: the best approach is, a lot of times it does 124 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: become performative, and a lot of times that's why it's 125 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: not worth believing, because it looks like it's sort of 126 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: been put together by a bunch of talking heads or 127 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: a bunch of people, yeah, who are literally trying to 128 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: just strategize on it. But I do think one thing 129 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: that anybody in that situation should understand is you probably 130 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: get one shot at it. And I wouldn't say probably, 131 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: I say, if your apology is going to be believed 132 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: at all, and you can again make the argument that 133 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: it's become so performative that it's not worth all this 134 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: teeth gnashing in the first place. But if you're going 135 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: to have any shot at it, it's got to be 136 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: the original. It's got to be the first. You've got 137 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: to hit a home run there, and even then a 138 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: lot of people are going to doubt it, and understandably so. 139 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 4: In in in some cases, I don't think by the 140 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 4: way he should resign or quit or be fired. Oh 141 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 4: you're saying that, no one, But that's where people go. 142 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 4: And I appreciate that. Dawn Staley actually did say, look, 143 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 4: we all do stupid stuff. 144 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 2: Well, that's what I wanted to get to. 145 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: You never evaluated the individual who's been apologized to how 146 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: they react, how they react and whether you know. And 147 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: I thought the reaction she gave was quite good. 148 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 2: Agree. 149 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: I thought, if I'm grading, I don't know what we 150 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: wouldn't use the pel scale there. But I believe the 151 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: way she ultimately handled it, because you know, she could 152 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 1: extend it. Yes, and maybe she's smart enough to say 153 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: we don't need to keep going down this particular road. 154 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 2: But I thought where she said, what was it to 155 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 2: we all do stupid things? 156 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, And we shouldn't be judged on that was That 157 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: was big of hers to rise above it. 158 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 2: That's the adult approach to ten. So I give her. 159 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: If it was on the pel scale, I think that 160 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: would be a full full pelf. And I don't think 161 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 1: we've tended to spend much time on the individual who 162 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: was apologized to how they handle it, because not everybody 163 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: handles it the same way either. 164 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 2: And I thought that was about as good as a 165 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 2: job as you could handle it. 166 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 4: It was great, And I love the fact that in 167 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 4: the heat of the moment she said I'll beat Gino's ass. 168 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 2: Yes, I loved that. Yeah, I didn't have a problem 169 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 2: with it. That was fun. That added to it. I 170 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 2: thought that was cool. 171 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: The texture guy rights, You guys are way over analyzing 172 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: the Geno thing. It's only got legs because you're giving 173 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: it legs. I would vehemently disagree with nine to five 174 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: two guy. The only reason I wanted to talk about 175 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: it anymore. The only reason I wanted to talk about 176 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: originally was because it was lousy. 177 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 2: It was a failed attempt. 178 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: If that if that's your attempt to apologize, don't so 179 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: we're not giving it legs. 180 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 2: Gino gave it legs. 181 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: And he clearly agreed because he came out with another 182 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: more frontal apology too late. So that's the legs to it. 183 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: I like you, My point of this isn't he needs 184 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: to go away. He needs to go to some kind 185 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,959 Speaker 1: of a rehab you know, emotion rehab clinic or whatever 186 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: the case may be. But the legs are are given 187 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: precisely because the original apology was so inept and so weak, 188 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: and in fact, it came off a little bit like 189 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: I'm still annoyed. Yep, I'm still annoyed. I still feel 190 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: like I got wrong somehow, even though you know, all 191 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: she had the temerity to do was beat his team. 192 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: That I'm gonna kind of give you a little bit 193 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: of an apology, but not one all that much. So again, 194 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: you can shoot the messenger if you want, but you're 195 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: you're actually when you do that, enabling I think the 196 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: individuals to say, what's really not about us? We're gonna 197 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: get protected by people. So you guys are talking about 198 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: this too much and beating a dead horse again. It 199 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: was on national TV, the National Championship semi final game 200 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: where everybody is watching the thing, and he made a 201 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: complete fool out of his approach, and people are going 202 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 1: to notice that in that situation, and given his legendary status, 203 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: they're going to notice that even more. Doesn't mean he 204 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 1: has to go away, doesn't mean he has to quit, 205 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:36,559 Speaker 1: doesn't mean anybody here is suggesting he'd be fired. 206 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 2: But you can't be taken seriously on that if you're not. 207 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: Gonna, you know, speak directly to the individual who you 208 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 1: went after on the sidelines, right exactly? 209 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 2: It all right, we'll get a break in now. 210 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: I got a couple of good texts to get into 211 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: on a number of subjects we've explored earlier. Brat Shawn 212 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 1: Brian Caffe and text line is open at six four six, 213 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,719 Speaker 1: eight six. I got a whopper of a story out 214 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: of San Francisco, California. I'm hoping we can get to 215 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: that at about four point thirty. Is anything new on 216 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: the strait of horn mooz? Do we know that it's closed? 217 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: We know what Aron says it's going to do? Is 218 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: it closed? 219 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 2: Do we know? 220 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: We do know that there's continuing fighting going on and 221 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: bombing going on. So to this point, there's not much 222 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: evidence that the cease fire is in any way, shape 223 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: or form holding if it ever even started. 224 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 2: If you get any more on the straight, please let me. 225 00:12:25,920 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 3: Know for another installment of dairy Land Diaries. 226 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 2: It's a dangerous. 227 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 1: Program decision I've made today in that dairy Land Diaries 228 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: over the years, back in its heyday, when it was 229 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: a regular feature on the show Tended. I think it's 230 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: fair to say to mock and ridicule the state to 231 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,079 Speaker 1: our immediate east, correct with. 232 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 2: Stories that came to us unsolicited. 233 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: That's true that you can't you just simply can't make up. 234 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: Some of them had to do with, you know, Green 235 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 1: Bay packers, zelotry. Some of them had to do with 236 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: other issues. Some of them had to do with booze. 237 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: It was a combination of all those things. Right this today, 238 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: this entry is a departure because there's nothing really snarky 239 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: that automatically comes to mind. But I still thought it 240 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: was kind of interesting. And you may know all about this. 241 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but you're familiar. Many people are becoming 242 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: familiar with Kan kanneple. Oh, Yeah, who has become historic 243 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: in his rookie year, right, he has hit more three 244 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: point shots than any rookie in basketball history. 245 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 2: He's a member of the Charlotte Hornets, a team that 246 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 2: just knocked us off. 247 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: You just saw him just the other day. Do you 248 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: happen to know where Kan Kanneple forged his basketball or 249 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: certainly his shooting acumen. 250 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 2: I don't think I do. 251 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: In his dad's Milwaukee, Wisconsin rec league. 252 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 2: Oh I did see this headline, Yes, it's. 253 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: The background to me is pretty good. Wall Street Journal 254 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: version of events indicates that when he was just fourteen, 255 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: he was thrown into a league of grizzled clock punchers, retirees, 256 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: and guys reliving their college glory days. By the time 257 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: anyone was ready to call him a project prodigy, he'd 258 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: spent years honing his skills against the best old man 259 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: hoopers that Milwaukee had to offer. So before he made 260 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: the NBA record two hundred eighty six to three pointers 261 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: at last count, the now six to six Kanneple joined 262 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: a slightly less glamorous outfit known as the Glamorous outfit 263 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: known as the Closed Gym League. The CGL was a 264 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: haven for the most serious weekendek weeknight I should say, 265 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: warriors in the Upper Midwest and was run by his father, 266 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: the first con Kinepal Conkineple the first rosters loaded with 267 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: division former Division one players. Games held at local middle 268 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: schools lasted an NBA length forty eight minutes. Files were grown, 269 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: man hard and rarely called. So he's playing at fourteen 270 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: against guys who are two three times his age, and 271 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: there are a lot of people including you remember the 272 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: name Travis Diener. 273 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, the marquet Gary. 274 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: Yes, I spent parts of five seasons in the NBA 275 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: before retiring to the CGL. He says, it all stems, well, 276 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: I mean the idea here that you know his peers 277 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: are scrimmaging against players in their own grade. The young 278 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: kon Kinepl is taking a crash course in basketball, nitty 279 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: gritty from guys two or three times his age. It 280 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: all stems from getting his butt kicked against stronger, more 281 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: physical people. 282 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 2: You learn how to play the right way. 283 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: Another CGL regular, your guy Ben Brust. Oh, yeah, another form, 284 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: I say another because as you said, diner was Marquette, 285 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 1: a former Wisconsin Badger. 286 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 2: Radio host nol in no watch Is that true? Yeah, 287 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 2: it does a good show. Huh. 288 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 1: He notes that in Knnepl's first season in the league, 289 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: Brust rammed him with a shoulder to see how you 290 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 1: would react. 291 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 2: Baul Ryan, classy and gracious in defeat. 292 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: Kannepel didn't flinch, didn't call a foul, drove past brust, 293 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: kicked the ball out to an open shooter to win 294 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: the game. At that moment, I was like, hey, he's different. 295 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: Brush said he was eight thousand times smarter than any 296 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 1: freshman I'd ever seen, And soon enough, Kannepel became the 297 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: best player in league's history. Before he could even say 298 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 1: a shade. The league held four seasons per year, and 299 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: in each quarter, Kanneple transformed into the CGL version of 300 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan. Before his sophomore season, he was scoring thirty 301 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 1: points a game. By his senior year, he was averaging 302 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: triple double while going in more than fifty fifty four 303 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: points a night. Fifty four points. I knew nothing about this. 304 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 1: I didn't even know anything about this league. That this league, 305 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: and I guess I assume there's a bunch of these 306 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: around the country. I'm sure, But is this one of 307 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 1: the better ones? 308 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 2: I don't know. This is I think Dayline, Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 309 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 4: I mean every place every lifetime has like a noon 310 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 4: hoops game, right, that's true? And so I know there's 311 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 4: men's leagues and women's leagues all over the place. 312 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 2: But that kind of. 313 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 4: I dropped parallels to like Rubio playing actual professional basketball 314 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 4: in Spain. 315 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 2: It's the same theory. That's true. 316 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 4: You play adults and you're playing grown ass men and women. Well, 317 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 4: a lot of European players. Yes, that's part of their success. 318 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 4: We've talked about that. 319 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 1: That that's they They are accustomed to playing against people 320 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 1: a lot older, and it it toughens them up in 321 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 1: a lot of way and sharpens you as well. 322 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 4: Yes, he's fun to watch too, as painful as it was. 323 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 4: Fan the other question, it's fun to watch him play? 324 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 4: Do you agree with this? Speaking of pro basketball? This 325 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 4: is sevia the Athletic. Although I don't think Johnny Athletic 326 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 4: wrote this. I think it was Zach Harper. 327 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 1: My friend Ian said this regarding the sixty five game rule. 328 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 1: The praise would be universal and immediate if Silver flipped it. 329 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: Who would complain? I'd like to raise my hand. I 330 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:38,479 Speaker 1: would complain. I just don't understand how quickly we're willing 331 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: to live in the moment and forget what prompted the 332 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: rule change in the first place. I hate that the 333 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: rule had to be instituted, but it did, and now 334 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:57,360 Speaker 1: it's having unintended consequences because it's affecting potentially players who 335 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 1: are quote unquote more legitimately injured. But that doesn't change 336 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 1: the past. So the idea, the notion is what's the 337 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 1: Here's what Harper writes, the point of the season awards 338 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: is to one reward players for their excellent performance and 339 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: to tell the story of what happened that season. When 340 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 1: you start eliminating Cunningham and Doncic maybe and Wemby maybe 341 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: and Edwards from the awards, you start affecting the story 342 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 1: of the season. The idea that someone who might win 343 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: Defensive Player of the Year over Wemby on a technicality 344 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,959 Speaker 1: is ridiculous. He's going to run away with that award 345 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: if eligible. I guess I don't agree that it Sully's 346 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: the season, or that people will forget somehow, They'll go, oh, 347 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: I forgot about Wemby, that's right. 348 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 2: I just don't think that's going to happen. 349 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 4: I don't think a lot of us are doing deep 350 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 4: dives on twenty five years later who won these awards. 351 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: But I'm hearing more and more of this sentiment, and 352 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: I think what it is is this stuff gets so 353 00:20:55,119 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: important to people that they are willing to forget. Maybe 354 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: they were consistent and maybe they were against the rule 355 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: changes in the first place. I don't know, but I'll 356 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:09,959 Speaker 1: say again respectfully to to anybody on that side of 357 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 1: this story, you can't leave out what brought us here. 358 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 1: You can't pretend that there were former NBA players who 359 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 1: were incensed. Who's the guy on Serious XM during the day. 360 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: It's on the noontime show. The name will come to me, 361 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: Antonio Daniels. Thank you, Antonio Daniels. He flat out said, 362 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. You got to go back to what the 363 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: players and you could say, to a certain extent, the organizations, Yeah, 364 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,199 Speaker 1: that were way too cavalier. And I don't know, can 365 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: you come up with some kind of a system where 366 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 1: you take it case by case? Well, that's a Pandora's box. 367 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: I think, how you know, how wide are you going 368 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: to open up that box? I'm not exactly sure. Yeah, 369 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:01,640 Speaker 1: it's embarrassing that the league is in a pososition where 370 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: some of the best players might not get the awards 371 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: that they deserve, that they've obviously merited over the course 372 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 1: of the season, but then that still says more about 373 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: what was in place, what was embedded in the NBA culture, 374 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: then it does what the league ultimately chose to do 375 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 1: to try to rectify it. I still think you're mad 376 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: at the wrong people if you are sitting there losing 377 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:33,199 Speaker 1: your mind about rules that most people understood or understand 378 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 1: why they were put in place. 379 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 2: And I don't know, I'm not going to toss and 380 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 2: turn at night. Oh God, Wemby didn't get Defensive Player 381 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 2: of the Year. What are we going to do? 382 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 1: I'm sorry if we reach a point where there's a 383 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: revolution in thinking and fewer and fewer players go down 384 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: that particular And by the way, I think the commissioner said, 385 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 1: and I think he's right. Their research indicates that the 386 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 1: rule has had the effect it needed to on a 387 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: lot of players. Maybe not enough teams because now we're 388 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: intan you know, got nine teams tanking, right, but that 389 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 1: in terms of many players it has. It has cleaned 390 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: that up. And what has happened is it's just making 391 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 1: it easier to be frustrated by these other quote unquote 392 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: injuries that we look at and say, well, those you know, 393 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 1: a collapse lung is a collapse lung. Right, there's nothing 394 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: phony or fake, that's not general soreness, right. But I 395 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 1: just I can't lose that much sleep over it that 396 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: somehow the story of this season is going to be 397 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: forgotten if the right players don't win those awards. 398 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 2: What do you think. I'm not going to lose any 399 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:42,959 Speaker 2: sleep over it. 400 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 4: What do you think of Finchi's idea because it got 401 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 4: brought up I think when Ant started missing games again 402 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 4: this most recent time because. 403 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 2: He's ineligible for all of them. Yeah, that's true. 404 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:58,120 Speaker 4: His idea was, and I haven't looked into this, give 405 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 4: the award to the player, but not any of the 406 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 4: financial the financial benefits that they might get from it, 407 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 4: whether it's in their contract or some things get triggered. 408 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:08,919 Speaker 2: I don't know. 409 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 4: That was his idea was, then they at least get 410 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 4: acknowledged that they were first team All NBA or whatever 411 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 4: it was, but the money that. 412 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 2: They would have made they don't get that. 413 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that's an interesting thing he brought proposition, 414 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: because you're back to what that would indicate his belief 415 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: that what motivates the players to keep playing is the 416 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 1: money that they might get with the award. 417 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 2: I guess right. Does that would that make the difference? 418 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 2: Maybe it would. 419 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I'm sure you'd probably have an argument 420 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: from the players union on that. I don't know where 421 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:43,919 Speaker 1: the players would be, and I don't even know what 422 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: the answer is. But in any case, that's where we are. 423 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: And as we get ever closer to the end of 424 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 1: the season and these awards and being named, you're gonna 425 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:56,120 Speaker 1: have endless, for sure, hyper ventilation and these handwring stories 426 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: like how stupid is this? 427 00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 2: There's an asterisk by this one. 428 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's but if you leave out the start 429 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: of the story, it's not as stupid. 430 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 2: As it seems. 431 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 1: If you just say, well, he's the best defensive player 432 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: in basketball ten times over, including Rudy Gobert at this 433 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,360 Speaker 1: point Wemby and he is, there's not any question about that. 434 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: In any case, we'll stay on that story as well 435 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: over the next few weeks. 436 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 2: I'm sure. 437 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: All right, let's pause here. We've got top five to 438 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,159 Speaker 1: five at the top of the hour. We've got Kessler 439 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: coming up at five point fifteen. We're out at six 440 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:35,120 Speaker 1: o'clock today. I've got an interesting story out of San Francisco, 441 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: California that's getting a lot of attention that kind of 442 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 1: I think, I don't want to say explode some myths, 443 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: but it certainly suggests that some ideas that gained great 444 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:56,199 Speaker 1: credence on the streets are being re examined, even in 445 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: you know, liberal I guess you could say precincts like 446 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 1: San Francisco, California. We'll get to that and who knows 447 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: what else when we return right here in the fans 448 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 1: a national story dayline San Francisco, California. But I hope 449 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:44,360 Speaker 1: that members of Minneapolis city leadership read it might even 450 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: get some ideas from it, especially given a number of 451 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,919 Speaker 1: stories recently about the direction we apparently are going in 452 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,199 Speaker 1: on a number of fronts, and some. 453 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 2: Items being under. 454 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: That are being, shall we say, in the business put 455 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: under consideration that I'm not sure ends up being in 456 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: the best interests of the community, but will probably be 457 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: in the best interests of or the direction that this 458 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: particular city council tends to want to go in. Written 459 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: by a writer named Herman Lopez, and the headline is 460 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 1: this is the New York Times. It's an opinion piece. 461 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 1: The headline reads San Francisco Sobers Up, and he writes 462 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: that when he visited San Francisco in twenty twenty three, 463 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: three years ago, parts of the city looked like open 464 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 1: air drug dens. Users made homes in tents that lined 465 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:59,120 Speaker 1: the block after block. They bought, sold, and smoked fetanyl 466 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 1: and meth, and public use drugs in front of a 467 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: police station, visibly undeterred by the threat of the law. 468 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: Hees that I once saw four people hunched over in 469 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 1: what's called the fentanyl fold along a sidewalk in site 470 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,919 Speaker 1: of city Hall, A startling vision, he writes of what 471 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 1: has gone wrong with West Coast progressivism this year, He writes, 472 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: I went back to find San Francisco and what he 473 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: describes as the early stages of recovery. Tents were gone, 474 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: spotted drug use much less frequently. Officials didn't ignore the 475 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: remaining addicts. Community ambassadors, as the city calls them, patrol 476 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,479 Speaker 1: the streets and try to persuade users to get into treatment. 477 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: At a minimum, they made sure that people didn't treat 478 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: sidewalks as campgrounds. I could move through the city without 479 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: having to walk in the road, something most of America 480 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: mercifully takes for grant. He describes this as a series 481 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 1: of failures in the eighties and nineties, or after the 482 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: failures of the eighties and nineties, when he writes that 483 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: lawmakers responded to a crack an epidemic with mass incarceration, 484 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 1: progressives united around an approach that decriminalized drugs either literally 485 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: or effectively, literally in Oregon, effectively in San Francisco. The change, 486 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: he writes, was well intentioned, grounded in the reasonable reasonable 487 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: view that addicts need help, not punishment, and the government's 488 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: role was to make treatment available and to keep people alive, 489 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: but not force them to stop. The theory was eventually 490 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: people would seek out help on their own. In practice, 491 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: he writes, drug users didn't get help free of serious 492 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: consequences for even public drug use. They took over urban 493 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 1: neighborhoods across the West Coast and injected, smoked, and snorted 494 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: more freely than ever before that By the time he 495 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: visited as we said earlier, in twenty twenty three, drug 496 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: users and their tense, clogged city streets and overdose deaths 497 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 1: reached a record high for San Francisco in the year 498 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 1: when national overdose deaths actually declined. So San Franciscans, many 499 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 1: of them, got tired of it. Even in this progressive Bastion. 500 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 1: One of them, Daniel Lourie ran for mayor. He was 501 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: an heir to the Levi Strauss clothing fort, and he 502 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: had no I think politics in his background. He founded 503 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 1: and ran a local anti poverty nonprofit. Said he changed 504 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: tact because of the slide into what he describes as disorder. 505 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 2: Here's the quote. 506 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: We lost our way as a city, the mayor told 507 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: me in an interview from his wood paneled office. When 508 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: you swing so far that there are no consequences, that 509 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 1: you're allowing this many people to use and to die 510 00:30:54,960 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: in your streets, something has gone wrong. City's voters apparently 511 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: agreed with him. They elected him and what's described here 512 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: as a more centrist board of supervisors something we could 513 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: only dream about here in Minneapolis, I would say. And so, 514 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 1: he writes, the new government set about dismantling the lacks 515 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: approach of recent years. Local officials described their load star 516 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: as getting addicts into treatment, even if that requires more 517 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: force and coercion than the city's previous odes to bodily 518 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:39,719 Speaker 1: autonomy might have supported. As background, he mentions that in 519 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 1: two thousand, the San Francisco Health Commission approved a resolution 520 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,239 Speaker 1: adopting what's called harm reduction. It's a term you hear 521 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: a lot some of that here. By twenty twenty, harm 522 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: reduction was, in effect the city's only drug policy. Treatment 523 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 1: and recovery became secondary goals, if they were goals at all. 524 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: Mentions that during that twenty twenty three trip, one harm 525 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: reduction provider of the Social Services program Glide, told me 526 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: that his group had recently dissuaded a client from quitting 527 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: drugs cold Turkey because the goal was unrealistic. Harm reduction 528 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: providers did not want to push users into treatment. They 529 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: worried that doing so could hurt their ability to help 530 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 1: clients by scaring them away. The approach all carrot, no stick, 531 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: he writes, this failed to acknowledge the realities of drug use. 532 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: Addictions not a disease like the diabetes or cancer. Diabetics 533 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: and cancer patients treat it typically want treatment. Many addicts, 534 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 1: because of the nature of addiction, do not, and that's 535 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 1: why people struggling with addiction often need an outside push, 536 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: family member, friend, or ultimately even the government to seek 537 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 1: that help. 538 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 2: He notes that. 539 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 1: In the mid twenty tens, the city's policy did not 540 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: keep people alive on making their drug use safer when 541 00:32:55,560 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 1: fetnyl reached that city. Instead, accidental over as overdose deaths 542 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: spiked to more than eight hundred at their peak in 543 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, which is triple the national rate. Public 544 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: drug use sword and as addicts sought money to pay 545 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: for drugs guess what shoplifting increased to avoid by voter 546 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: approval changes to a state law on twenty fourteen that 547 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: reduced penalties on property offense. Some businesses fled, including half 548 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: of CBS stores and pharmacies, and the city's illegal drug 549 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: problem made it harder for San Franciscos to even get 550 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:34,719 Speaker 1: their legal drugs situation as it's deteriorating the city's progressives. 551 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: Dug In argued that people have physical autonomy, meaning they 552 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: should be allowed to put whatever they want into their bodies. 553 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 1: San Francisco's experience showed those freedoms, when translated into public 554 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 1: drug use, infringed on other people's rights to public safety 555 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 1: and order. Many San Francisco's lost access to basics of 556 00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 1: modern life, walkable spaces, secure park, grocery stores, and pharmacies 557 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: a minorities. Unchecked drug use was wrecking the city for 558 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: pretty much everyone else. I walked my kids to school. 559 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,919 Speaker 1: The mayor said, I couldn't explain to my kids why 560 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: they were seeing a guy walking across the street naked 561 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 1: at eight a m. So he's laid out a series 562 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 1: of changes that again nobody wants to celebrate too soon, 563 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:38,320 Speaker 1: but seemed to suggest a significant change on the street level. 564 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: When this writer, as I said, Herman Lopez has returned 565 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:49,879 Speaker 1: to San Francisco this story, he quotes a guy named 566 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 1: Tom Woolf, a local attict turn activist, walked me through 567 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: some of his old spots for drug use. When I 568 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: asked him how he got into recovery, he said his 569 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: stints in jail with a push he needed. I've talked 570 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 1: to hunthundreds of former and current addicts across the country 571 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 1: in my fifteen years covering drugs, writes the writer of 572 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: this piece, The importance of consequences is a regular theme. 573 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,319 Speaker 1: Pressure and threats from friends, family, and the government are 574 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: often the tipping point in stopping drug use of San 575 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: Francisco's new government is working to operationalize this concept that 576 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 1: shouldn't be particularly radical, but in many precincts is considered radical. 577 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: He writes at the approach, well, let me back up 578 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,360 Speaker 1: the mayor holds weekly meetings with around twenty agencies to 579 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 1: keep the city focused on the same mission. Board of 580 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 1: supervisors passed the law that made getting addicts into recovery 581 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 1: the city's explicit goal. The plan is to open hundreds 582 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,799 Speaker 1: of new treatment beds. San Francisco still does have harm 583 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,400 Speaker 1: reduction services such as needle exchanges, but they're treated as 584 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 1: a bridge to treatment, not the endgame. He writes that 585 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 1: the approach is holding steady overdose deaths from their peak, 586 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 1: but most of the drop preceded mister Lowie's time in office, 587 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 1: most likely because Fetnah had already killed much of the 588 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 1: vulnerable population. Death dropped further, although only slightly during his 589 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,800 Speaker 1: first year as mayor, on track to fall more this year. 590 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 1: And getting drug users off the street is not merely 591 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 1: to make the city look better, he writes, It gives 592 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,400 Speaker 1: addicts a clear social signal that their drug use, especially 593 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,479 Speaker 1: in public, is no longer tolerated. That kind of friction 594 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,840 Speaker 1: could drive some to seek help. As community as ambassadors 595 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 1: can attest. Everyone else benefits too from cleaner, safer, and 596 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 1: walkable more walkable spaces as well. Now it does go 597 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,319 Speaker 1: on to say that the challenges well He likens this 598 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 1: a little bit to a widely celebrated approach in Portugal, 599 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 1: where all drugs were decriminalized in two thousand and one, 600 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,120 Speaker 1: meaning that possession no longer carried the threat of a 601 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 1: prison time, but that the country also funded more treatment 602 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 1: set up a system that threatened drug users with punishment 603 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 1: such as fines, community service, or revoking professional licenses to 604 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,799 Speaker 1: keep them or to push them into seeking care. There's 605 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,800 Speaker 1: a little bit of muscle involved that's from the architect 606 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 1: of that Portugal system. The writer points out that as 607 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,600 Speaker 1: San Francisco tries to tighten up the policy, there is 608 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:33,399 Speaker 1: a major obstacle the state government in Sacramento. San Franciscans 609 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 1: may have changed their minds, but the state and its 610 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:41,520 Speaker 1: lawmakers remain deep blue California voters have repeatedly enacted ballot 611 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 1: measures making the criminal justice system more lenient. Local officials 612 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 1: frequently complain that state policies restrict how much they can. 613 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:52,759 Speaker 2: Indeed do. 614 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 1: Biggest problem in the state's enforcement of drug laws well 615 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,439 Speaker 1: in theory, possessions of misdemeanor published punishable with the jail 616 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,360 Speaker 1: time the kind of leverage a prosecutor could use to 617 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,760 Speaker 1: purcha to push a user into treatment. In practice, lacks 618 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:13,320 Speaker 1: and conflicting state laws, in combination with liberal judges and juries, 619 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,400 Speaker 1: have made it nearly impossible to get a conviction, let 620 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,880 Speaker 1: alone jail time for what's called simple drug possession or 621 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 1: public use. The San Francisco DA Brooke Jenkins says it 622 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,400 Speaker 1: can be difficult to get prison time even for drug dealers. 623 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,840 Speaker 1: She estimated it takes two to three arrests to persuade 624 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:36,280 Speaker 1: a court to hold someone in custody. That's an improvement 625 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,279 Speaker 1: for four to five cases required when she started the 626 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 1: job in twenty twenty three, but says quite a lot 627 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,280 Speaker 1: in of itself. There's a section here about the governor 628 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 1: and his approach and what impact he has had on 629 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 1: this story as well. The mayor concludes with we have 630 00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:01,440 Speaker 1: our really important progressive values here in San francisc going 631 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 1: to state of California, but we have to take care 632 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,319 Speaker 1: of people in a different manner, and it's not by 633 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,160 Speaker 1: allowing them to continue to use and die on our streets. 634 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,400 Speaker 2: It's a terrific story. You can find it via New 635 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:12,120 Speaker 2: York Times. 636 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,520 Speaker 1: Herman Lopez is the writer, and I think it does 637 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,759 Speaker 1: have relevance to the city of Minneapolis and some things 638 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,320 Speaker 1: that are under consideration now, and just a general philosophy 639 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 1: of approach. And I like more than anything the section 640 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:31,319 Speaker 1: where Lopez is saying to the notion that you have 641 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,920 Speaker 1: the right to put whatever you want in your body. 642 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 2: It's a point of view. Actually, I think that that 643 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:38,799 Speaker 2: can be. 644 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 1: Persuasive for a lot of people, even across the political 645 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 1: you know, I mean all over the political spectrum. But 646 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,720 Speaker 1: what it does conveniently leave out is what revealed itself 647 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,400 Speaker 1: in San Francisco. If you go with this approach and 648 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,360 Speaker 1: this philosophy too openly over a period of time, you 649 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:05,920 Speaker 1: are more likely to create conditions that deprive others of 650 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 1: their rights to even, as I said, walk around a 651 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,399 Speaker 1: city without having to deal with things that I think 652 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,920 Speaker 1: most of us would say should not be a part 653 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,239 Speaker 1: of the menu. It should not be a part of 654 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:23,919 Speaker 1: the equation. And we've seen, I think, in some other 655 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:28,960 Speaker 1: places the pendulum swing a little bit back in this 656 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:33,719 Speaker 1: particular direction. The question is how long it can be 657 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,600 Speaker 1: sustained and how many people actually believe in it. 658 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,200 Speaker 2: But there should be I think. 659 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:47,640 Speaker 1: A desire I think to bring about a better, a 660 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:53,400 Speaker 1: safer situation, and a greater sense of stability. That doesn't 661 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,319 Speaker 1: mean you have to be terrified by or afraid of 662 00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 1: the homeless, or afraid of addicts. But it's perfectly human 663 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:06,799 Speaker 1: to be afraid of conditions and situations in which you 664 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:12,359 Speaker 1: feel less safe. And the goal, as hard as this is, 665 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,040 Speaker 1: should be to me emphasizing more what this city of 666 00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,920 Speaker 1: San Francisco now seems to be doing after it has 667 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 1: learned a series of hard lessons, because what happens to people, 668 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:30,279 Speaker 1: even progressives. The rhetoric's good, the verbiage is good. But 669 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,320 Speaker 1: if you reach a point where enough of your time 670 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,560 Speaker 1: you are finding yourself in the middle of these challenges, 671 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,640 Speaker 1: just walking down the street seeing the impact it has 672 00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,960 Speaker 1: and in many cases has on commerce as well, guess 673 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 1: what it becomes real. It becomes practical in a sense 674 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,960 Speaker 1: that says, all of the things I've been told sound 675 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:59,839 Speaker 1: good in theory, but there are ramifications, There are consequences 676 00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:04,480 Speaker 1: to continuing to go down this road. So he points 677 00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:08,040 Speaker 1: out again that doesn't mean the fight's over, doesn't mean 678 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,319 Speaker 1: you can oversimplify the story, but this is what he 679 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:17,799 Speaker 1: writes about, and he says what he sees are encouraging 680 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,799 Speaker 1: signs of progress, but what must be acknowledged. Is a 681 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:27,480 Speaker 1: different approach, A dare I say it tougher approach that 682 00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:31,400 Speaker 1: you can't weaken on, that you cannot walk away from, 683 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,160 Speaker 1: that you cannot flinch the first time there might be 684 00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:39,720 Speaker 1: some controversy or difficulty related to that particular procedure. Definitely 685 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 1: worth I think your time. All right, here's our deal 686 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,720 Speaker 1: the rest of the way. We're out at six o'clock 687 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:50,120 Speaker 1: today for Timberwolves basketball or wild hockey, which is it 688 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,520 Speaker 1: Wolve's Magic Wolves Magic, in which the Wolves are sitting 689 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,960 Speaker 1: pretty much everybody. You'll talk about that in more detail 690 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:57,960 Speaker 1: in the top five and five. Why the Wolves now 691 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:02,520 Speaker 1: feel confident about pretty much riding their bench probably for 692 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:06,520 Speaker 1: the rest of the season that doesn't have much left. 693 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,920 Speaker 1: And we'll get to some hockey. We'll have Kesler at 694 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,759 Speaker 1: about five point fifteen. We'll find out where we are 695 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,080 Speaker 1: on the Straight of Horror movez. Is it closed as 696 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,600 Speaker 1: Iranian officials have declared it to be. Where are we 697 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:25,400 Speaker 1: on that story? Where are we on Minneapolis bathhouses? Because 698 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:29,840 Speaker 1: that's become something I guess under consideration as well. I 699 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,560 Speaker 1: don't think I had that on my BINGO card, No 700 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:33,080 Speaker 1: did you? 701 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:37,520 Speaker 2: I did not, But it's there. There's no question about that. Six. 702 00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,319 Speaker 1: Six is the brat Shawn Brand Cafe in text line, 703 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:41,160 Speaker 1: what else for tough five? 704 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:42,000 Speaker 2: You nailed it all. 705 00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,600 Speaker 4: We got the Wolves in, we know the wild opponent, 706 00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:46,800 Speaker 4: and we should mention the hottest team in baseball? 707 00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:49,399 Speaker 2: Have I not mentioned them yet? 708 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:49,640 Speaker 1: Today? 709 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,560 Speaker 2: We have not mentioned them yet today. My bad