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Speaker 1: It's nice eyes with Dan Ray. I'm telling you, Boston News.

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Speaker 2: Radio, thank you very much, Suzanne. As we begin this Thursday,

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Speaker 2: April ninth, twenty twenty six, I to send a birthday

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Speaker 2: shout out to my brother, my younger brother, former Massachusetts

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Speaker 2: State Police lieutenant now retired. And I'm not going to

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Speaker 2: tell you how old he is because he beat me up. No,

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Speaker 2: he's a little younger than me. Actually much smarter, much funnier,

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Speaker 2: and serve the commonwealth for nearly forty years, actually forty

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Speaker 2: one years as a member of the Massachusetts State Police.

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Speaker 2: I did a good job. Happy birthday, Dave. We are

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Speaker 2: going to have an interesting program for you tonight. We're

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Speaker 2: going to speak with four different very interesting guests in

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Speaker 2: the first hour and then beginning at nine o'clock tonight,

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Speaker 2: fourteen years old. I've got questions about this and I

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Speaker 2: hope you do as well. And then later on tonight,

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Speaker 2: beginning at ten o'clock, we're bringing up to the date,

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Speaker 2: Middle East. That has been a relatively quiet day as

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Speaker 2: Suzanne said, the stock market started down this morning but

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Speaker 2: came back, which means that the cognizanti, those who think

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Speaker 2: although the Strait of Hormuz at this point remains pretty closed.

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Speaker 2: date on it, that's for sure. But we're going to

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Speaker 2: challenges of long term space travel. And with us is

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Speaker 2: doctor Sandratakovich. I'm hoping I got that name fairly closely.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Stankovich, you got it.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me on tonight. I'm really glad to

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Speaker 2: Dan, delighted to have you here. You are an investigator

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Speaker 2: General Hospital. I didn't even know. And you're a psychologist

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Speaker 2: as well as a scuba diver. I guess psychologists by profession,

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Speaker 2: realize there was a center for space medicine at Mass General.

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Speaker 2: Tell us about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're a pretty new organization at Mass General. We

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Speaker 3: have two goals in our program. We're looking at ways

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Speaker 3: to keep human beings healthy in outer space, and then

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Speaker 3: also using the environment of space to develop new kinds

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Speaker 2: Okay, so in outer space, which of course is a

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about what happens in outer space physically psychologically

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Speaker 2: to long term space travel. I assume we're talking about

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Speaker 3: Understand it, Yeah, that's absolutely right. And most of what

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Speaker 2: I'm just curious hearing your enthusiasm in your voice. At

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Speaker 3: I have loved space since I was a little kid.

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Speaker 3: always loved how space can inspire people to create new things,

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Speaker 3: Everything that we're doing to keep it astronaut healthy on Mars,

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Speaker 2: Well, what a gift to the United States of America

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Speaker 2: that Tito fell in Yugoslavia, the Wall fell in nineteen

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Speaker 2: order to know you, doctor Sandra. In the stack of it,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to follow your career. An amazing person, and

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Speaker 2: I'm blown away that you were able to come to

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Speaker 2: I'll always make space for anything that will involve your enthusiasm.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much, Sandra Stunkovic, Thank you so much. What

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Speaker 2: a great guest, What a great guest. Now she is

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Speaker 2: an investigator at the Center for Space Medicine at mass

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Speaker 1: You're on Nightside with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.

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Speaker 2: Like to introduce Peggy Little. She's with the new Civil

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Speaker 2: Liberties Alliance senior litigation Council. Peggy, this was an extraordinary

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Speaker 2: story when I read it here. There were one million

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Speaker 2: What were they thinking?

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Speaker 1: Good question.

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Speaker 4: It was simply outrageous, as so much much was during COVID.

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Speaker 5: What makes this.

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Speaker 4: Particularly troubling was that this had been a program developed

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Speaker 4: a contact tracing app too. But in those instances, the

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Speaker 6: Okay.

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Speaker 4: Only one state in the United States forced the app

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Speaker 2: You know something, Governor Baker should be ashamed of himself, Okay,

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Speaker 2: Charlie Baker was a very good friend of mine. I've

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Speaker 2: known Charlie for forty years and that is discrib thirty

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Speaker 2: five years. That is disgraceful that his administration did this.

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Speaker 2: What was the idea that if all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: Were they nuts to think they could do that?

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Speaker 4: Well, the whole thing was still designed, and thirty states

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Speaker 4: actually did set up the Google program, but only in

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Speaker 4: Massachusetts forced it on your phones. And first Massachusetts didn't

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Speaker 2: But did they actually think, this is my question, you're

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Speaker 2: this case. Did they actually think that, with this insane

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Speaker 2: Was the governor ever named as a defendant in this matter?

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Speaker 4: Well, actually we did try to add more Healy later,

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Speaker 4: proven to be in effective extremely early on in COVID.

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Speaker 4: In fact, the state of Massachusetts abandoned this program.

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Speaker 7: Entirely, and so we added Governor Heally with.

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Speaker 3: The thought thing that we.

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Speaker 4: Were trying to get injunctive relief a remedy, and we

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Speaker 7: On the line.

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Speaker 5: Now, the.

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Speaker 6: Very good federal judge here did not.

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Speaker 4: Did dismiss the case against the governors, saying having the

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Speaker 4: Was sufficient, but he was very concerned about the fact

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Speaker 6: This this hold off sis move because we stopped doing it.

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Speaker 7: No right, but a lot of.

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Speaker 2: Data according to the press release I'm looking at here,

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Speaker 2: Governor Baker. And that's why my question was about Baker.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it was I'm certainly under Baker's watch.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And he always described himself as sort of a

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Speaker 2: This gives lie to that. Let me ask you this,

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Speaker 2: there is there are no monetary damages here the million

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Speaker 2: there's no financial award to the to the individuals are impacted.

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Speaker 2: Let me just let me clear that deck real quickly correct.

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Speaker 6: That's correct.

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Speaker 4: Then the decision was made early on to just seek

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Speaker 4: injunctive relief to get the data deleted. It is a

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Speaker 2: We are a.

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Speaker 4: Small nonprofit and our clients simply one of the data

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Speaker 2: But I mean, you couldn't have counseled with all million people.

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Speaker 2: My question is will the million people who were in

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Speaker 2: I had a an Android phone at that time.

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Speaker 4: There wasn't a favor publication, a last fall of the

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Speaker 2: No, no, I get that. But what I'm saying is

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Speaker 2: And I would think to finish the play. With all

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Speaker 4: Because the way we brought the suit was we did

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Speaker 2: I'm not asking about monetary damages. The question that I'm

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Speaker 2: good legal work on behalf of individuals one million strong

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Speaker 2: I'll just let it go with that, but I appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry I misunderstood. I thought you were asking me

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it might. And it also it's from a point

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Speaker 4: Well, that's a great idea, and I appreciate, uh this,

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Speaker 2: I'll just have to let it go with that. I'm

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Speaker 2: I thought I made myself clear on that. Maybe not.

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Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dy Boston's news Radio.

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Speaker 2: Delighted to be joined by Mike Chinelli. He's a former

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Speaker 2: First of all, Mike, thank you very much for your

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Speaker 6: Thank you so much for the invite. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 6: And they start off with the great questions. I really

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Speaker 2: Now my understanding that on the last flight Artemis one

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Speaker 6: to change the heating expected, which will then change the

438
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Speaker 6: potential for this quote unquote popcorn and this probability issue.

439
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Speaker 6: So we believe we've got that fixed for it, but

440
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Speaker 6: it is a concern.

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Speaker 2: But am I correct that they might have actually been

442
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Speaker 2: too much material applied? It was, it was too thick.

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Speaker 6: And that goes into the permeability part. So right, so

444
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Speaker 6: the application, you're correct, The application is not that they

445
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Speaker 6: you know, didn't do something for design specifications. It was

446
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Speaker 6: done correctly of what they modeled. But interesting enough, and Dan,

447
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 6: this is very interesting in life in general. You know,

448
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Speaker 6: something we modeled and expected that material behaved a little

449
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Speaker 6: bit differently in real life, and that just shows how

450
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Speaker 6: important everything in our everyday life of testing everything we do.

451
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Speaker 6: You know, the model's computer stimulations work great, but there's

452
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Speaker 6: nothing quite like getting it out there. It could be

453
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Speaker 6: your car, it could be anything else you have, but

454
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Speaker 6: you've got to get out there and test it in

455
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Speaker 6: real life experiences and see what it really performs on.

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Speaker 2: And my understanding is that there's a period of time

457
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Speaker 2: which is actually relatively short. We're talking about fifteen minutes

458
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Speaker 2: of danger, meaning if something's going to go wrong, the

459
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Speaker 2: expectation would be anytime after seven fifty three, and the

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Speaker 2: splashdown is predicted to be about eight oh seven, So

461
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Speaker 2: it's they're going to know that they're coming up on

462
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Speaker 2: that the most dangerous part of the entire journey. They'll

463
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Speaker 2: almost be able to count down to.

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Speaker 6: That correct absolutely, and we call that entry interface. So

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Speaker 6: as soon as they get to that point, and you

466
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Speaker 6: will set around seven to fifty three ish and we start.

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Speaker 6: Basically what that is for everyone listening is think of

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Speaker 6: your flying through the vacuum of space and you're not

469
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Speaker 6: really encountering anything though when you hit the air's atmosphere,

470
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Speaker 6: start seeing air molecules and particles and you know, you

471
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Speaker 6: start getting one, two threes, and then all of a

472
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Speaker 6: sudden you get millions of particles, right, So that is

473
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Speaker 6: the density of that air that you're hitting, its thicker

474
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Speaker 6: and thicker. You know, that interface where you start transitioning

475
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Speaker 6: from vacuum into that face is entry interface, and the

476
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Speaker 6: heating just continues to build up from there. As you

477
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Speaker 6: will pointed out, it's a relatively short period of time.

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Speaker 6: So if we get through that part, through the peak

479
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Speaker 6: heating and the heat starts dissipating, you know, that's the

480
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Speaker 6: point where folks may remember sometimes you lose communications with

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Speaker 6: a crew because of that. Plant a shield around the vehicle,

482
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Speaker 6: and so we get through that part and we're going

483
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Speaker 6: to be a lot more comfortable tomorrow watching that crew

484
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Speaker 6: come home.

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Speaker 2: And it's in that time. It's specific coast time, so

486
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Speaker 2: they're supposed to this is going to going to happen

487
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Speaker 2: in the eleven o'clock hour here in the East. People

488
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Speaker 2: should be aware of that. Correct, correct, Yeah, wells, best

489
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Speaker 2: of luck, Thank you for for your your time. How'd

490
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Speaker 2: you real quickly, how did you get involved in this?

491
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Speaker 2: Did you did you as a kid grow up and

492
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Speaker 2: say I want to be a NASA test director? Well?

493
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Speaker 2: How did how did your life's path bring you there?

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Speaker 6: That's a great question. Well, you know what my dream

495
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 6: was always come from Upstate New York. So the Northeast

496
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 6: is home to me. So I feel kiddred spirit with

497
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 6: folks from the Northeast. And I always dreamed of working

498
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Speaker 6: in a space program and kind of drove my whole

499
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Speaker 6: life in that direction and just got very fortunate, worked

500
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Speaker 6: for hard but not very fortunate, and came down to

501
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Speaker 6: the Kennedy Space Center and for thirty years have honor

502
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Speaker 6: to in several cases lead to launch countdown for the

503
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Speaker 6: Space Shuttle, oversee the processing for the vehicles, and then

504
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Speaker 6: also have those difficult times of recovering Columbia and the

505
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Speaker 6: crew and having those moments where things didn't work. And

506
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 6: now the exciting part and is I take the message

507
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Speaker 6: outside the gates of NASA. You know, we've learned so

508
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Speaker 6: much over seventy years of history that we apply lessons

509
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 6: learned if you will, and we call it prevent failure.

510
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,959
Speaker 6: So if you want to go to Prevent Failure dot com,

511
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Speaker 6: and we have a way to share these lessons learned

512
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Speaker 6: with all kinds of industries and people to not make

513
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Speaker 6: the mistakes we made and to take the good practices

514
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Speaker 6: and replicate those and if we could possibly save lives

515
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Speaker 6: in the process of doing that and make people more

516
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Speaker 6: safe and successful. It could be driving their family car home,

517
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Speaker 6: taking airline flight, or something is audation as a spaceflight.

518
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Speaker 6: If we can do that in a cruise memory, then

519
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Speaker 6: that's something we're very happy and thankful to do.

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Speaker 2: Great, So give us that website one more time, please.

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Speaker 6: Mike Certainty. It's Prevent Failure dot Com. So Prevent Failure

522
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Speaker 6: dot Com.

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Speaker 2: Well it's great. Thank you so much, and thank you

524
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Speaker 2: for answering that additional question. Because everybody has these doors

525
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Speaker 2: of opportunity that swing open in their lives, and sometimes

526
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Speaker 2: there's multiple doors and you have to figure out which

527
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Speaker 2: one you want to walk through and where that door

528
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Speaker 2: will lead you. So that's why I'm always interested in

529
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Speaker 2: how people get into these uh you know, these careers.

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Speaker 2: And again I thank you very much, Mike Chinealey uh

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Speaker 2: informant NASA test director. A lot of great information, Mike,

532
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Speaker 2: and we'll be watching closely and even perhaps say a

533
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Speaker 2: prayer or two for the astronauts as they come back

534
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Speaker 2: to Mother Earth.

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Speaker 7: Thanks Mike, it's actually my pleasure.

536
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Speaker 6: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Talk to you again. Well we get back. We to

538
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Speaker 2: talk with the vice president of the buston Carmen's Union

539
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Speaker 2: Local five eighty nine. It was a very ugly incident

540
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Speaker 2: that occurred on an MBTA bus. We're going to talk about,

541
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Speaker 2: but the individual who allegedly basically assaulted an MBT A

542
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 2: bus driver and and also sexually touched her, let's put

543
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Speaker 2: it like that, which early in the evening, so we

544
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Speaker 2: want to be very careful the language we used. He

545
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Speaker 2: assaulted a female m bt A driver and he is

546
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Speaker 2: now facing charges which are going to be increased as

547
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Speaker 2: results of this legislation that has recently passed. Where we

548
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Speaker 2: talk with Bill Beardino, vice president of the Boston Carmen's Union.

549
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Speaker 2: Coming back on Nightside right after this.

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Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Ray Boston's News Radio.

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Speaker 2: There was an ugly incident recently on an m BTA bus.

552
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 2: Uh and that individual who is charged with assaulting and

553
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Speaker 2: poking his finger in the eye of a female driver

554
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Speaker 2: and also I don't want to say fondling, but touching

555
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Speaker 2: her breast in the in the process. Bill Barry, a

556
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 2: vice president of the Boston Carmens Union. Bill, why don't

557
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 2: you give us the ugly story here? This is a

558
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 2: female driver who had dropped something while she was picking

559
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Speaker 2: up passengers, and I guess some guy was kind of

560
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 2: enough to pick up what she for. He dropped whatever

561
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 2: she dropped, and then he he was a he decided

562
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 2: that he wanted to take some liberties with the driver.

563
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Speaker 2: Tell us about it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, thank thank you, Dan, thank you for having us

565
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Speaker 5: on to discuss this bill a law. Yeah, match twenty first,

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Speaker 5: the female, one of my female operators was sexually assaulted

567
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Speaker 5: I believe, on the one route and the perpetrator was

568
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Speaker 5: arrested on the spot. This was the first arrest since

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Speaker 5: this law went into effect on match sixth.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's before we reference that, let's let's explain the law,

571
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Speaker 2: because I know what you're talking about. I want to

572
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Speaker 2: make sure my audience knows what you're talking about. The

573
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Speaker 2: MBTA bus drivers have just received the benefit of a

574
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Speaker 2: piece of legislation which is now the law in Massachusetts,

575
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Speaker 2: which gives them some added protections in these assault cases

576
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Speaker 2: that previously didn't exist before earlier in March, tell us

577
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Speaker 2: about it.

578
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Speaker 5: Correct, Okay, So Massachusetts Chapter two sixty five, Section thirteen

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Speaker 5: D is for public work, but it was basically meant

580
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Speaker 5: to be for police and fire. So when we had

581
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Speaker 5: a board change about eighty percent of our board and

582
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Speaker 5: under the new leadership of my president Jim ev Is,

583
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Speaker 5: I asked him if I could look into trying to

584
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Speaker 5: figure out if we can get a law in place.

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Speaker 7: He gave me the.

586
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Speaker 5: Full green light and ended up writing out some words,

587
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Speaker 5: gave it to our lobbyists. They ended up going to

588
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Speaker 5: the state House lawyers and we came up with this

589
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Speaker 5: bill that now is added into Chapter two sixty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So basically, you piggybacked on a piece of legislation

591
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Speaker 2: which is great that protects police officers firefighters. Added protection

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Speaker 2: for police officer and firefighters. I'll bet your E and

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Speaker 2: T s are also I would hope included in that.

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Speaker 7: Category as far as.

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Speaker 1: I know, No, not right now, and I know to

596
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Speaker 1: get them we.

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Speaker 2: Got to get them included too. Is because you find

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Speaker 2: themselves in dangerous situations. These are people who are interfacing

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Speaker 2: with the public, providing a public service, whether it's police protection,

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Speaker 2: fire protection, you know, or medical attention or in this

601
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Speaker 2: case transportation. My understanding is that this guy who took

602
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Speaker 2: took these liberties. I'll use those words because young people

603
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Speaker 2: are listening. He went to the back of the bus

604
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Speaker 2: and sat in the back of the bus for several

605
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Speaker 2: stops before he got off. I mean, he's pretty audacious

606
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Speaker 2: about this.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's basically the public that we transport transport is

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Speaker 5: they think it's okay to away with it. Now with

609
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Speaker 5: this law, it's not okay. It makes it a felony

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Speaker 5: now to assault the transit operator.

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Speaker 2: No, he's just basically has this guy been arranged yet?

612
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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 5: And that's the next thing we're going.

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Speaker 2: To mention about that. I think I know what you're

615
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Speaker 2: going to tell me.

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Speaker 5: Go ahead on July twenty first, he will be as

617
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Speaker 5: the boss the court and we're calling on.

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Speaker 7: All five eighty nine brothers and sisters.

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Speaker 5: Any transportation people that want to be there to pack

620
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Speaker 5: this courtroom to show the judge in the state that

621
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Speaker 5: we've had enough. Enough is enough the assault stop now.

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Speaker 2: I hope I heard you incorrectly. I hope that his

623
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Speaker 2: arrayment hasn't been postponed to July twenty first. Why such

624
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Speaker 2: a delay in an arrayment?

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Speaker 5: And that's the pre trial, that's what we have. He's

626
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Speaker 5: going in for pre trial on July twenty.

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Speaker 2: First, So pre trial, okay, So he's already was arraigned.

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Speaker 2: My understanding is he was giving a very low Bay

629
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Speaker 2: of like five hundred dollars. I think that's that bail

630
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Speaker 2: for someone like who's that who acts that outrageously is

631
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Speaker 2: way too low. I mean.

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Speaker 5: Hundred percent agree with you, sir, But that's the attorney,

633
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Speaker 5: you know, the a G and the DAS and the

634
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Speaker 5: course that set that out. Yeah, well you need to

635
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Speaker 5: sit down with them a little bit and have a

636
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Speaker 5: discussion with them about it.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it would send a message which is, look,

638
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Speaker 2: if you're going to use the MBTA, which is a

639
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 2: service that is provided by taxpayers, uh for your benefit,

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Speaker 2: you better tat you don't treat the people who are

641
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Speaker 2: driving those buses with anything other than respect. Uh. And

642
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Speaker 2: and I hope they throw the book at this this guy.

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Speaker 2: So that's I'm not I'm not a member of your union,

644
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 2: but I feel very strongly about this. It's as simple

645
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Speaker 2: as that people should not be well subjected to that.

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Speaker 5: This is not just for the Boston comments Union.

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Speaker 7: This this flar is for the state.

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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, peace driver and state wide. Absolutely yeah.

649
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 5: Sure, it's crams at employees State ride.

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Speaker 7: So this is from my.

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Speaker 5: Data's you know, my brothers and sisters in Brockton and Plymouth,

652
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Speaker 5: the Cape Cod with the Springfield Low Coach Carriers Greyhound

653
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Speaker 5: kiole is am tracked.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's it even better. You know, if we if

655
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Speaker 2: we had people who were who were who were driving

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Speaker 2: people around indic pedical pedal bicycles, they should be protected

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Speaker 2: as well. Bill, I appreciate it, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad we had an opportunity to make people aware

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Speaker 2: of this and hopefully the audience will think twice about

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Speaker 2: ever taking any liberties with someone who is involved in

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Speaker 2: transporting the public ever Again, Bill Beverdino, Vice president of

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Speaker 2: the Boston Carmens Local five eighty nine, Thanks thank you.

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Speaker 7: Bill, Thanks Dan, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: Very welcome. When we come back, we're going to get

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Speaker 2: to the nine o'clock hour and we're going to talk

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Speaker 2: about an effort by the state legislature which I have

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Speaker 2: a little concern about and I want to talk to

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Speaker 2: you about it coming back on Nightside right after the

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Speaker 2: Night