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Speaker 1: very happy Monday for you, despite of the fact we

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Speaker 1: don't get Brian James this morning Money Monday's Brian James

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Speaker 1: taking a day off. I am so pleased bring back

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Speaker 1: the museum. Gary Walton, welcome back man. I understand you

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Speaker 1: got a big event going on this weekend. It's good

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Speaker 2: Oh it's crazy to be back on the show. And

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Speaker 2: I do want to talk about the event. But the

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Speaker 2: most important thing I want to talk about is the

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Speaker 2: last time we were together, we were mentioning about how

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Speaker 2: we are training adults with disabilities. I'm happy to say

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Speaker 2: that we have three individuals who have done extremely well

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Speaker 2: is placing them on a real job in the printing industry.

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Speaker 2: And this is just the beginning of many, many, many

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Speaker 2: really exciting. We're having a great time with that, and

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Speaker 2: so that's crazy. But the second thing I'd like to

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Speaker 2: bring to your attention is December fourth, fifth, and sixth

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Speaker 2: at the Museum, totally free from ten am to three pm.

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Speaker 2: We're going to celebrate Charles Dickens the Christmas Carol and

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Speaker 2: make people were this book was really incredible. Up to

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Speaker 2: book is really important for our society and realizing where

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Speaker 1: You know, it's really interesting the concept that you just

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Speaker 1: brought up. Now, I think everyone's familiar with a Christmas Carol,

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Speaker 1: Charles Dickens book, you know, and if you aren't a

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Speaker 1: state and its workhouses. No, you have to personally engage

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Speaker 1: in that conduct. But then coupling it with the idea

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, absolutely. And when you come to the museum,

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Speaker 2: You're gonna print Marley's speech that he gives about how

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Speaker 2: They'll be cookies, beat and so forth, and just make

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Speaker 1: Printing. And this is what I learned from you, my friend,

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Speaker 2: We're actually working on getting a printing press out of

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Speaker 2: So anybody in Cincinnati who has a printing press can

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Speaker 1: Now that is amazing. With the magic ink, that's amazing.

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Speaker 1: So the keys the ink. How about learn something else

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Speaker 1: today in the morning show. Since a type in print museum,

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Speaker 2: Correct, correct, And you do want to go on our

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Speaker 2: We do have homeschoolers lots of homeschoolers come and then

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Speaker 1: Fantastic, And I see that you have an internship program

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Speaker 2: So the interim program that we have is for working

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Speaker 1: That's all outstanding. Any possibility of working with vocational schools,

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Speaker 2: Already done, already done. Dimonos and yes, both Dominoes and Carlos.

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Speaker 1: Fantastic. Now going back to I had two follow up questions.

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Speaker 1: When people show up this weekend for the Christmas themed

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Speaker 1: a Gutenberg original type print press? Correct?

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Speaker 2: well when you're using foundry type attendens to wear down

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Speaker 1: Now rather than for demonstrative purposes and historical purposes like

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Speaker 2: Yes, there's still a lot of labor, even though AI

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Speaker 1: Yeah, going back to the point about Charles Dickens or

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Speaker 1: Well to that end, there are opportunities for memberships and

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Speaker 1: go to Cincinnati Print or type Print Museum, Cincinnati, Typeprint

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Speaker 1: this week and all that they do throughout the year

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Speaker 1: really easy for you. There's a little request for him

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Speaker 1: you can fill out. Gary Walton Man. It's so great

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Speaker 1: hearing from you again, and thanks for continuing the historic

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Speaker 1: Keep up the great work. Gary. We'll have you again

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Speaker 2: Yes in January, when I tell you it's as story

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Speaker 1: Yes, you already got an appointment here in the Morning Show.

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Speaker 2: Gary.

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Speaker 1: Hey, between now and then, if I don't see you

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Speaker 1: keep up the great work you and all the crew

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Speaker 1: at the Type in Print Museum