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Speaker 2: York Football Giants. And joining us now is Pat Leonard,

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Speaker 2: Pat first first on behalf of the State of Hockey Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: May God rest the soul of elite hockey writer and

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Speaker 3: Wow, Paul, thank you for saying that and for honoring

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Speaker 4: Some important way. And that's who Larry. Was gutted by

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Speaker 2: Now, Pat, when you write at the Daily News, quote

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it means cared about everything, not just one thing, right,

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Speaker 2: Uh Well, why a Spurs guard Stefan Castle your new

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Speaker 2: Pat, You're fantastic. I look forward to seeing you in

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Speaker 2: the press box at MetLife this weekend. May God bless

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Speaker 2: you and your family. Thank you very much for the time.

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Speaker 4: Okay, thank you so much, boy, I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: See you about Pat Leonard New York Daily News. The

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Pat.

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Speaker 5: there's a moment of optimism, there's something that peaks one's interest.

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Speaker 5: As rookie tight end Gavin Bartholomew is in his practice window.

438
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Speaker 5: He was limited yesterday practice squad.

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Speaker 2: I think we have five tight ends in the chat

440
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Speaker 2: right now, which means if they're all active, we can

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Speaker 2: run fifteen personnel.

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Speaker 5: Now, if I remember that this was the playmaking cat,

443
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Speaker 5: there's a little bit of a flyer on it. He

444
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 5: was taken out of the sixth round Pitt Panther, so

445
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Speaker 5: he was kind of doing what Brian O'Neill was trying

446
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Speaker 5: to do at Pitt as he was catching passes as

447
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Speaker 5: an alignment run into the end zone. Bartholomew was just

448
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 5: that tight end making plays for the pit squad, and

449
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Speaker 5: we never got to see him because of a back injury,

450
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Speaker 5: really taking most of camp away.

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Speaker 1: And now he's just.

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Speaker 5: Been activated or the practice window is opened up. So

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Speaker 5: maybe over the final three we might get to sell

454
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Speaker 5: hope on a rookie pass catching tight end in Gavin Bartholomew,

455
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Speaker 5: And if he catches a touchdown or looks good in

456
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Speaker 5: one game, everyone's gonna want to cut eighty seven. And

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Speaker 5: that'll be a fun January talker right.

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Speaker 2: Well, per the next segment, when we hear the COUSBA

459
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Speaker 2: press conference clip talking about quarterback school and pure progression

460
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Speaker 2: and stuff like that, it's it's for those of you

461
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Speaker 2: who have seen it end or heard it and endured

462
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Speaker 2: the season we've had to this point with JJ McCarthy

463
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Speaker 2: where the last two hey, we got some things happening

464
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Speaker 2: middle of the field. Okay, so whether it's on the

465
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Speaker 2: microphone or away from the microphone, So what happened middle

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Speaker 2: of the field all of a sudden, it's like open

467
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Speaker 2: all night. Well, just learning about what goes into that

468
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Speaker 2: when you're raising a young quarterback, which I genuinely did

469
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Speaker 2: not know until asking about it after the Dallas game. Well,

470
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Speaker 2: can you imagine this menu and this pure progression and

471
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Speaker 2: Cavin Bartholomew all of a sudden's going to be active

472
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Speaker 2: for games. He's supposed to know what it is. I mean, honestly,

473
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Speaker 2: it's mc McCarthy is active with these tight ends in

474
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Speaker 2: big spots. Yes, I mean as six and eight Radio

475
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Speaker 2: goes big spots. Hawkinson and Oliver for the eighteens, they

476
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Speaker 2: the three touchdowns from them, two for Josh the game

477
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Speaker 2: before you know. I think this is a nice step

478
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Speaker 2: taken by Gavin Bartholomew. If you were to be active

479
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Speaker 2: one of the final three games, I think it'd be

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Speaker 2: moderately surprising to me.

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Speaker 1: Vikes bytes, Pikes Bikes.

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Speaker 5: As six and eight Radio, I just kind of I

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Speaker 5: went down a little bit.

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Speaker 1: It's not a big rabbit hole.

485
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 5: You can just you can use your preferred search engine

486
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 5: and you can search Vikings contract incentives and I found

487
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Speaker 5: I'm more of a spo track guy.

488
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: But I believe it might be spot rack.

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00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I found a page on the current Vikings.

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Speaker 2: Contractingcentives to I'd like to run through a few of them. Well,

491
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 2: as the kids would say, you're in your bag today,

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Speaker 2: holy cow.

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Speaker 5: Sadly for seventy one, the ninety percent snaps, et cetera.

494
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Speaker 5: Small pro designations not going to happen this year for him,

495
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Speaker 5: saying for Brian O'Neil, all pro would have netted him

496
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Speaker 5: a million dollars. Sadly, health has taken some things away

497
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Speaker 5: away from him. Let's scroll down a little bit here

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Speaker 5: as we get to Jonathan Allen. So, Jonathan Allen playing

499
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 5: seventy six percent of the snaps has cleared his his

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Speaker 5: playing time incentive and it escalates at fifty sixty and

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Speaker 5: seventy percent. So as of now, if he maintains he's

502
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 5: got to stay above seventy percent, he's going to earn

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Speaker 5: seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars this year.

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00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 5: Additionally, for Jonathan Allen now at six and eight radio,

506
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 5: it's it's about wins and raising the kid, but it's

507
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 5: also about getting out alive. He's got two and a

508
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 5: half sacks. Yeah, in the final three games. If he

509
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Speaker 5: nets another two and a half PA, another two hundred fifty.

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Speaker 1: Thousand dollars, let's go.

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Speaker 2: Let's go, Jonathan Allen, get up there to a million,

512
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Speaker 2: get that money. So I didn't I can't remember what

513
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Speaker 2: the practice report looked like yesterday. You laid it out

514
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 2: nicely with the old lineman. Yeah, Javon Hargrave. I would

515
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Speaker 2: assume he was that did not practice. He was a

516
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 2: DMP with the thigh. Now, there's no way is Jonathan

517
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Speaker 2: Allen going to be like yes or opportunity needs to

518
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 2: get interior sacks for me with Gray, they're not feeling

519
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 2: too good about that, about that knee. Uh, but that's

520
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 2: fascinating what you just laid out, because Allen is very

521
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 2: familiar with not only the New York Giants, but the

522
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Speaker 2: interior of the Giants offensive line.

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Speaker 1: You got a quarterback who can move.

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Speaker 2: Not sure at the stage of the equation how many

525
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 2: sacks Jackson Dark takes, but uh, there's a there's a

526
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 2: million dollars on the horizon for Jonathan Allen potentially.

527
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Speaker 1: I mean, just look at it. Just just go ahead,

528
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: watch these final three.

529
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Speaker 2: He's gonna go throw back up. It's like the NFL

530
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,239
Speaker 2: version of the NBA Cup. Well, I get what how

531
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 2: about that? How about this with McCarthy. Now again, they're

532
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 2: probably not in the locker room talking about this, or

533
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 2: maybe they are right sadly by the way, Josh mittelis

534
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 2: playing with a torn labrum.

535
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: His his season is over. He won't be reaching. Oh

536
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: they talk about it, man.

537
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 2: They think there was a non playoff year, final game

538
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 2: of the season. Somebody was sitting on a boatload. Somebody

539
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 2: calling the plays knew they were sitting on a boat load.

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00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 2: It might have been twenty targets, maybe fifteen, and the

541
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Speaker 2: boatload landed. Well, do you remember, wasn't it a Riley

542
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 2: Reef playing.

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00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 5: Time incentive that he didn't hit because they paid I

544
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 5: think they ended up trying to pay him, but then

545
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 5: Reef left anyway.

546
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: Oh wow, No, with the money, Yes, with the money.

547
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Speaker 5: He took the money, he got in his airstream and

548
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 5: he just waltzed out of town.

549
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was he didn't hit that, he didn't hit

550
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 2: the threshold. The Wilfs, I believe, either paid the full

551
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 2: thing or were like, here's a million.

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Speaker 1: They gave him the full incentive.

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00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 2: I believe you all incentive leaves three weeks later free

554
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 2: agency agency with the money in the airstream. Oh, just

555
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 2: one of the of the great side pieces. Wow, what

556
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Speaker 2: a memory.

557
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Speaker 5: So if they're talking about this in the locker room,

558
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Speaker 5: then let's talk about Josh All three games to go

559
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 5: kid QB connecting in some big spots with the tight ends.

560
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 5: Josh Oliver one of those. Now overall this season ten

561
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 5: catches one hundred four yards and four tds.

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00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: If he gets to six tds PA. Oh wow, two

563
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand, I.

564
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Speaker 2: Mean after taxes. Yeah, fucking middle buck and middling change.

565
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 2: Well that that has to be a can what of

566
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Speaker 2: your families watch the child McCarthy's child. Yeah, because I

567
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 2: want to use a large chunk of this one hundred

568
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 2: grand and change after taxes to take you and your partner,

569
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Speaker 2: your girlfriend, your significant other to like turks and caacos,

570
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 2: then antigue, and we're going to spend all the money.

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Speaker 1: Brother, thank you.

572
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 5: Blake Brandell, he's played in sixty six percent of snaps.

573
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Speaker 5: He has earned two hundred thousand dollars in incentives already.

574
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Speaker 5: Blake Brandell has if this thing turns out and he's

575
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 5: got to play full games, the rest away.

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00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: Remember we got brandal terrorism and.

577
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Speaker 5: He gets to uh he gets to seventy percent.

578
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, another one hundred.

579
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Speaker 2: Thousand, that's true, ritic man.

580
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: And then CJ. Ham he's played.

581
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Speaker 5: He's gonna have trouble this year if he plays low.

582
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Speaker 2: I mean, if he has two touchdowns, it should be

583
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Speaker 2: seven hundred and fifty k.

584
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Speaker 1: But he's he's got a snap's incentive.

585
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 5: But the tough thing with this offense and his injuries

586
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 5: CJ ain't getting on the field a ton. I think

587
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Speaker 5: he's played like fifteen percent, but if he gets to twenty,

588
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 5: hevin't likes CJ a lot.

589
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: I think if we're.

590
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Speaker 5: Going, if we're going to thirteen, if we're going bigger

591
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 5: personnel packages rest of the way, and he gets to

592
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 5: twenty percent of the snaps, he's gonna house fifty.

593
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 2: Grand I mean, yeah, Brandle, all right, so let's say

594
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 2: he let's say he doesn't play okay, and he got

595
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Speaker 2: CJ with the part time stuff. Oliver doesn't play as

596
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 2: much as Hawkinson, but he plays clearly. The key here

597
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 2: is getting a big lead on the New York Giants.

598
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 2: Yeah so you hey, I mean we got two games left.

599
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 2: He's a crafty veteran. I think he might be a captain.

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00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 2: Got to Paul Bryan Randall's in, all of a sudden,

601
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Speaker 2: they're running CJ. They're they're going no huddle up to

602
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 2: scores so they can get more plays, so they can

603
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Speaker 2: get CJ in the game more.

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Speaker 1: And who was the other? Oh yeah, Oliver?

605
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Speaker 2: All of a sudden, Oliver is primo Fantasy football NFL

606
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 2: tight end, red zone threat. Just target him play after

607
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 2: play and O'Connell is fond, quite fond, and coaches aren't

608
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Speaker 2: quite fond of everybody that they have in their chats,

609
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 2: but nevertheless those three Yeah, yeah, he's quite fond of

610
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 2: those threes. Yeah, there's an opportunity, old head coach might

611
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Speaker 2: make it happen.

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Speaker 5: Well, how's number eighteen gonna feel if he's he's wide open?

613
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 5: Like this is I mean, we've we've tried to force

614
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Speaker 5: a tea in the red zone, We've tried to do

615
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 5: everything we can. We got formation penalties, taking gritties off

616
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Speaker 5: the board.

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Speaker 1: The whole thing sucks. And he's wide open. He's done

618
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Speaker 1: everything he can.

619
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Speaker 5: JJ looks off eighteen to find the tight end for

620
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Speaker 5: TD number six and an incentive.

621
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, but see Justin, I'm Justin. Justin would

622
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 2: be in support of that. He probably would, I mean

623
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Speaker 2: Justin as the kids would say, got the bag.

624
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 5: Or Justin would would Justin just say, look, Josh, like

625
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 5: stats are cool.

626
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Speaker 1: Love that. I'll give you two hundred and fifty grand

627
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: I'll just give that to you.

628
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 5: If we could do the one time gift, we can

629
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Speaker 5: eliminate some of the tax related things and we'll just

630
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 5: let me have just please, I.

631
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Speaker 2: See you at Viking's Chapel. You believe in God? Right, Yeah,

632
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 2: I believe in God. Why don't you start a ministry five?

633
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 2: What's the five? The the LLC thing? And I'm just

634
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 2: going to put five hundred grand in it that probably

635
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 2: won't get taxed and you can just have it. That's

636
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 2: how much I appreciate playing with you Vikes bites.

637
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Speaker 5: And we're going to continue the McCarthy conversation around the

638
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 5: corner as it relates. As you noted, PA to some

639
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 5: audio from Kirk from Cousins Cousins, Kirk, cousins Cousins. But

640
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 5: JJ McCarthy, what the hell was that? Oh it's an

641
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 5: old iced tea song.

642
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 1: Oh I thought we were going cousins to yours as vide. No,

643
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: there's no color. She throwing it back. Yeah. Ice T's og.

644
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 1: He's og with Big Daddy Kine and cool mod.

645
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 5: I liked, I got fresh, I got some cuts that

646
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,720
Speaker 5: might play a couple next segment as well.

647
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: But here he is just things kind of slowing down

648
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:25,399
Speaker 1: for him.

649
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 6: Obviously the more reps you see, the live bullets, but

650
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 6: like I talked about, the overall understanding of the offense,

651
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 6: it slows everything down. Tremendously because you're not using that

652
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 6: extra thinking of you know, the balls snapped, I have

653
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 6: it in my hands, is he running that route? So

654
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Speaker 6: it eliminates those split second kind of miscues and processing.

655
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 6: That's helped tremendously throughout the year.

656
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 2: And just just listen to that part of it. And

657
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 2: that wasn't even Kirk Cousins.

658
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: No, it wasn't.

659
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 5: And it's all part again of the growth process and

660
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 5: just I mean, we're about to get taken through a

661
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 5: college of a four hundred class of passing from Kirk

662
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 5: in a two minute stretch next segment.

663
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: But that plays into handling the pass.

664
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 6: Run, emphasizing where my outlets are in checkdowns, just knowing

665
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 6: where to scramble to. You know, it's one thing to

666
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 6: get out of a fight or flight situation, but it's

667
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 6: another thing to you know, kind of not necessarily predetermined,

668
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 6: but just be aware of where the slide's going, where

669
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 6: the man's side is, because that's usually going to be

670
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 6: where the gaps that are going to open up, and

671
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 6: what concepts are over there, what routes are over there.

672
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 6: So just understanding the offense more as a whole has helped.

673
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 2: Kids learning all and all of that has to transpire

674
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,240
Speaker 2: in two and a half seconds or less.

675
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 1: Wow. Ye, if you haven't.

676
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 2: Heard what Kirk Cousins had to say at at his

677
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 2: press conference, I believe it was yesterday down to Lantaway, Flowery.

678
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 1: Branch, Georgia.

679
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 2: We think you'll like it and we're gonna we're gonna

680
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 2: take that what he says, and segued into McCarthy. But

681
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 2: the O'Connell and the Rams are going to catch strays here,

682
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 2: strays of kindness.

683
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: We'll be right back.

684
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 6: It sucks not to have a chance to get into

685
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 6: the dance and achieve the ultimate goal that everyone tries

686
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 6: to achieve every single year. But the next best thing

687
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 6: is how do you get better as an individual? How

688
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 6: do we get better as a unit? And that's our

689
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:30,919
Speaker 6: focus right now. Each and every day, we're just trying

690
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 6: to stay present and focus on our weaknesses and how

691
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 6: to make those strengths and vice versa and amplify the strength.

692
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 6: So yeah, it's really just staying present and join our company.

693
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 6: You know, every single year the team's going to be different,

694
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 6: and we all love each other in that locker room,

695
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 6: so we're just soaking every single well for sure.

696
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 2: As JJ McCarthy. That was from his press conference yesterday.

697
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 2: Welcome back to nine to noon. This is your things

698
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:54,280
Speaker 2: are fluid leader.

699
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: I made a mistake.

700
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 2: I miss reading a in order to text late last

701
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,240
Speaker 2: evening and Paul Charchian will not be joining about eleven

702
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,720
Speaker 2: thirty five today, But the fantasy focus is quite important

703
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 2: for a lot of people listening right now, including the

704
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 2: Kahn Nordo Mad producer on the other side of the class,

705
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 2: So fantasy inclusion with touts required today. Scott Fish from

706
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 2: fantasycares dot org will be joining at about eleven thirty

707
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 2: five to maybe give a long winded answer on Rushie Rice,

708
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,320
Speaker 2: which has been people have been looking for, been bouncing

709
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 2: around the side studio in my head pretty much every

710
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 2: day this week and has nothing to do with me,

711
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 2: but a lot to do with the producer.

712
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: And we like when the producer wins.

713
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 2: So therefore we will have a fantasy focus into a

714
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 2: very important fantasy football week beginning this evening with the

715
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 2: Rams and the Seattle Seahawks. Now, off what you just

716
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 2: heard from JJ McCarthy, Kirk Cousins. There's some couz buzz

717
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 2: like that, like that floating around the internet. Off the

718
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 2: way the learned quarterback describe the complexity of playing quarterback

719
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 2: and what goes into a popular term we've heard a

720
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 2: lot of late called pure progression.

721
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: Take a listen involved.

722
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 4: This week's conversation about progression versus coverage rates and all that.

723
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 7: No, but I'd love to get into it. I can

724
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 7: get on this soapbox if you want me to, Like,

725
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 7: I can get on. This is because I lived the transfer.

726
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 7: I lived the jump right, So I came into the league.

727
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 7: Even at Michigan State, it was you see coverage, and

728
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 7: you pick a side and you basically take five eligibles

729
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 7: down to two down to your check down, and so

730
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 7: you cut the field in half. And it was I

731
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 7: got single high. I'm going, you know, outside the red

732
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 7: line to inside to my back, and you're really only

733
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 7: thinking about three eligibles because the other two over here

734
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 7: were meant for split safety, and I got single high,

735
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,280
Speaker 7: and so it kind of protected you. And then sometimes

736
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 7: you would alert that other side if you got pressure,

737
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 7: so you'd be like, I'm working this route or split

738
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 7: safety or pressure. If I get single high, no pressure,

739
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 7: I work the other side. So that was everything was

740
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 7: you know, single high, split safety, pressure, quarters off, bump

741
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 7: man's zone, all these things. But what happened was defense

742
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 7: has got so good at disguising it that I would

743
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,479
Speaker 7: be so stressed going into games going the whole game

744
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,760
Speaker 7: plans built on is it single high or split safety,

745
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 7: and I can't see if it's single higher split safety,

746
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,879
Speaker 7: Like these defenses are just making it money until I'm

747
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 7: three steps into my drop. So it's coaches started to realize,

748
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 7: like if we asked the quarterback to do that, it's

749
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 7: it's gonna be really hard because defenses know that's the

750
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 7: game we're playing. They're not gonna let us play it.

751
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 7: So then it started to become let's just give you

752
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 7: peer progressions and let's just go one, two, three, four, five,

753
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 7: and then you know that has his pros and cons.

754
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 7: I remember when Kevin O'Connell was bringing a lot of

755
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 7: peer progression reads back to him with me from LA

756
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 7: back to Minnesota. It was like whoa, Like I got

757
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 7: to get back to the dagger backside after already exhausting

758
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 7: this progression, Like that's a lot. I mean in my mind,

759
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 7: like I'm used to kind of simplifying it and cutting

760
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 7: the field in half, So you know, had to kind

761
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 7: of work through that and get to where that was

762
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 7: more natural. And then there's a lot of positives of

763
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 7: it two where you're not stressing as much during the

764
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 7: week about what if I can't see coverage because you say, well,

765
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 7: it's okay, I don't have to see coverage. You know,

766
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 7: seeing it can be a benefit, But it's more at

767
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 7: the snap where they're going and I can just kind

768
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 7: of progress through. But there's no doubt with the way

769
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 7: the pass rush is, if you truly try to go one, two, three, four, five,

770
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 7: you're gonna get sack fumbled a lot. So there's still

771
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 7: a level of yeah, it's pure progression, but like, I

772
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 7: got to rule him out pretty quick here so I

773
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 7: can get to the backside because that guy's coming around

774
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 7: the hump quick. Can you repeat the part of this

775
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 7: stuff where you said all about the thing?

776
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Kirk oat too, So what do we

777
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 2: pull from that? Playing quarterback is hard and is the

778
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 2: most difficult position to master in all of sports. But

779
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 2: we already knew that Cousin spits it out like a

780
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 2: Rhodes scholar. It's second nature to him, and even near

781
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 2: the end of a career, Kirk's level of understanding is impeccable.

782
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 2: But we knew, we knew that, and we've heard that too. Now,

783
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell and the Vikings and Rams were mentioned in

784
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 2: that clip. That's where it's meaty and its current. All right,

785
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy is improving game by game the last couple

786
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 2: and there's another opportunity to tie all of what we

787
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:21,240
Speaker 2: heard together Sunday at MetLife Stadium. But the full arsenal

788
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 2: of potential offered by the head coach Kevin O'Connell clearly

789
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 2: cannot be released until the twenty two year old quarterback

790
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 2: is properly prepared for said progressions, schemes and beaters. What

791
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 2: is fact with all we just heard is when the

792
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 2: bid is that full strength, talking about the Vikings offense,

793
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 2: talking about the approach to the Vikings offense, When the

794
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 2: bid is that full strength and up to speed and

795
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 2: all involved are on the same cliched page, it's winning

796
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 2: off and has been since Sean McVeigh entered the league

797
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 2: close to a decade ago. Cousins time here with O'Connell

798
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 2: that the years were mostly terrific and he may have

799
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 2: pushed five thousand passing yards in twenty twenty three were

800
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 2: it not for the Achilles at Lambeau. And while Cousins

801
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 2: had big box scores at times with Washington, the book

802
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,399
Speaker 2: on Chains, the book on Kirko before he got here

803
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 2: was he was easy to stop when things became hot.

804
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 2: That's part of the half field concept he mentioned in

805
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 2: his press conference. He talked about Michigan State, but that

806
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 2: was also the case early in his run with Washington.

807
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 2: So now take that, Take what you just heard, the

808
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 2: reality that it's hard but we know that. And the

809
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 2: twenty two year old quarterback for whom most of us

810
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 2: are pulling, if not all of us are pulling on

811
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 2: a weekly basis, JJ McCarthy and segue it to Rams

812
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:13,240
Speaker 2: quarterback Matthew Stafford. All right, McVeigh, McVeigh tree, O'Connell, limb,

813
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 2: McVeigh tree, Matthew Stafford, always good, never great, always tough

814
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 2: until he landed in Los Angeles with McVeigh. And now

815
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 2: he's tops in the league in passing, touchdowns, yards per

816
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 2: attempt at nearly eight and passer rating for the analytics group,

817
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 2: his eight point four to two adjusted net yards per

818
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 2: pass attempt eight point four two is caudy. I mean,

819
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 2: that is a fat number. Stafford's number one, and it's

820
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 2: the highest of his career. Matthew Stafford turns thirty eight

821
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 2: the day before Super Bowl sixty, and sure Matthew is gifted,

822
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 2: but Matthew always has been gifted, and what has been

823
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 2: unleashed with him is handling.

824
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: Is the handling of the.

825
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 2: Complexity of what works with this rock star approach to

826
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,919
Speaker 2: offense that we just heard from Cousins. When it came

827
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 2: to I'd love to get into it because I lived

828
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 2: the transformation. JJ McCarthy is living that transformation right now.

829
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 2: All of this is what JJ McCarthy faces as they

830
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:39,280
Speaker 2: build from the ground up with something that is tried

831
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 2: and true really over the last decade. It works, It

832
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 2: works at a very very high level, and McCarthy is

833
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 2: in the very early stages of all of what you

834
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 2: heard from Kirk Cousins.

835
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: It's confusing, it's complex.

836
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 2: In the Dallas game, McCarthy started to become more comfortable

837
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 2: with the middle of the field. That hasn't been the

838
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 2: case with much of his early career in the NFL.

839
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 2: That's why we see the best throws from McCarthy generally

840
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 2: being outside the numbers and displaying a cannon for an arm,

841
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 2: baby steps arms good.

842
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 4: Uh.

843
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 2: The the level of effort, level of tribe label, level

844
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 2: of absorbing what's expected quite good with JJ McCarthy, but

845
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 2: for whatever the reason, they weren't throwing a lot of

846
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: passes middle of the field until last game. That the

847
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 2: middle of the field is where these high end defensive

848
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 2: coordinators full of the kids and mostly staying away from

849
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 2: that greatly hinders with Kevin O'Connell and staff have been very,

850
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 2: very good at unfurling since the minute he arrived, attacking

851
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:01,879
Speaker 2: middle zones short or inner mediate and getting big time

852
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 2: yards after catch.

853
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:05,439
Speaker 1: Haven't seen a lot of that this year.

854
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 2: Last game we started to see it baby steps with

855
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 2: a quarterback and Kirk Cousins you saw it a lot.

856
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 2: Why because he could handled the menu. Same was true

857
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three with Dobbs and Jaren Hall. Then Mullins.

858
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 2: Nick had issues with turnovers, no doubt, but when he

859
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 2: played the menu went deep to the steak and lobster

860
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:35,760
Speaker 2: and didn't stop at chicken tenders with sweet and sour sauce. Thus,

861
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 2: in the three, Nick Mullins, a veteran who had twenty

862
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 2: some odd starts into the Stars four O'Connell. In twenty

863
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 2: twenty three, Nick started three games and went for three

864
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 2: oh three, four eleven and three ninety six passing. They

865
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 2: went from scoring ten and three to twenty four to

866
00:47:55,360 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 2: twenty make that twenty four, twenty four and twenty This progression,

867
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,760
Speaker 2: with the pure progression and coverage reads and safety splits

868
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,280
Speaker 2: and refusing to limit the quarterback to half field reads,

869
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 2: are where we are with the twenty two year old.

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Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy. I'm really glad Kirk went down that road

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Speaker 2: because it is the most eloquent, simplistic and detailed approach

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Speaker 2: to this term that's being used pure progression so frequently locally.

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Speaker 2: He really really laid it out simplistically. And the leap

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Speaker 2: or the next step we can take is to recognize

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Speaker 2: what we have with a twenty two year old, who, Hey,

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden, the middle of the field's open

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Speaker 2: a little bit. What's off that Dallas's defense gives up

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Speaker 2: a lot of yards A, but B gives up a

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Speaker 2: lot of yards middle of the field. Hey, the twenty

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Speaker 2: two year old was able to capitalize repeatedly on something

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Speaker 2: the other guy does bad at a part of the

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Speaker 2: field they weren't using him much. Why because he probably

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Speaker 2: wasn't seen as super clearly in practice. Because these coordinators

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Speaker 2: are really really good. As Cousins shared the peer progression

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Speaker 2: and the coverage reads and all that. His passes at

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Speaker 2: Dallas to Hockinson and Oliver late both for eighteen, those

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Speaker 2: were big steps in this equation. We know playing that

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Speaker 2: position is hard, and we thank Kirk again for eloquently

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Speaker 2: and simplistically explaining just truly how hard it is. So

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Speaker 2: the patient's game very much is in play with our quarterback,

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Speaker 2: and it's fun seeing him purely progress and navigate his

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Speaker 2: way through the sometimes choppy waters of NFL defenses. The

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Speaker 2: Giants are next, and here's to hoping the five star menu,

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Speaker 2: with winning selections up and down, it continues to advance

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Speaker 2: past the kids part to the equation. Then perhaps the

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Speaker 2: Minnesota Vikings will start winning more games and will do

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Speaker 2: so with a cherry on top.