1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: It's night time with Dan Ray. 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 2: I'm telling you Boston's news radio. All right, my friends, 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 2: it is so good to be radio. 4 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: This next topic is well, it's my favorite type of 5 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: topic because it's not generated by the news for one thing, 6 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:23,920 Speaker 1: It's generated by everyday experience that we all, every one 7 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: of us, have to have dealt with and in many 8 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: cases have had to make a decision is this right 9 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: or wrong? And so here we go. I'm going to 10 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: take a poll. This is very easy going. You can 11 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: just answer the poll yes, oh no, or you can 12 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: give a reason. Nor you can chat and hang out. 13 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: This is an excuse to chat. But I bet we 14 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: arrive at some answer here too. It's a Bradley J. Pole. 15 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: Here's the question, the poll question. It is morally wrong 16 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: to order something from say Amazon, with the intention of 17 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: using it and sending it back. 18 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 2: Yes or no. 19 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 1: So if it's not morally wrong or no, it's absolutely okay. 20 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: Jeff Bezos will still have money for fuel for the 21 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: koru is five hundred million dollar four hundred and seventeen 22 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: foot sailing superadd when you hear that, it kind of 23 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: changes things, doesn't it. Maybe yes, maybe no. The generous 24 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: return policy makes people order far more freely than they otherwise. 25 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: Would I order all kinds of stuff that I would 26 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: never order if I was we're going to be on 27 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: the hook for keeping it, or if it was going 28 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: to be a hassle. Do you remember how it used 29 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: to be a hassle? Well, I'd like to return this? 30 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 2: Why? 31 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: Because it doesn't work? All right, We're going to send 32 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: you on r M a code number, and it's going 33 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: to be a big pain. But it's mister b Jeff 34 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: Bezos decided. Hmm, I'm not going to make it a 35 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: pain for people. I'm going to make it easy. Okay, 36 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: that's a corporate decision. It's baked in, and I feel 37 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 1: like I don't know, but I feel like return costs 38 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: are baked in. They must know how many people returning stuff. 39 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:37,519 Speaker 1: They must know that the amount is far higher than 40 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: the usual with the other kind of return policy and 41 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: y end plus if you pay an annual prime fee. 42 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: I don't know that kind of mitigates a moral problem 43 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 1: a little bit. Perhaps, now I'm not I'm not convinced 44 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: either way. I'm making this case for the sake of 45 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: the argument because I know how most of you feel, 46 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: So I'm kind of taking the opposite side. Is it 47 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 1: morally okay to order stuff on Amazon? And there are 48 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: gonna be levels of this too. Different depends on the 49 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: kinds of stuff which we'll go through. Is it morally 50 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 1: wrong to order it knowing you're gonna use it and 51 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: send it back? Like all right, I'm gonna plant a garden. 52 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna need a little spade. I'm gonna get it, 53 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: use it, plant the garden, rinse it off and send 54 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: it back. 55 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 2: Is that wrong? Is that morally wrong? Morally wrong? Now? 56 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: Now we we all you know, people of my age. 57 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: You know I came up in the seventies. We came 58 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: up with a certain moral code about that. But maybe 59 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: the paradigm has shifted such that it's not morally wrong 60 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: and the expected thing. And Jeff Bezos is like, haha, 61 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: of course, I know you guys are going to do that. 62 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: It's all baked in. Let me get on my yacht 63 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: now and take off when I say it that way, 64 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: is that assuays your moral guilt? So there's the prime 65 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: fee which I pay. Now, what about this? It's even 66 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:26,679 Speaker 1: okay to return a personal item. I've thought this through 67 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: all the angles. What about a toothbrush, a personal hygiene 68 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: item like that a toothbrush. Is that morally wrong to 69 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 1: return a toothbrush? Some of you might think, oh, that 70 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: means that somebody else is going to get this toothbrush 71 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: and use it, and it's used. I don't know exactly 72 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: what happens to toothbrushes when you return them, but anything 73 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: in molded plastic packaging that you have to cut open, 74 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 1: I feel like it's going to cost am or to 75 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 1: repackage it, to have somebody go this is a toothbrush, 76 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: a human being taking time. This is a toothbrush. It's 77 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: got terms on it. You know, let's not repackage it, 78 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 1: or let's decide it's dirty or whatever. I feel like 79 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: it's cheaper for them. This is gonna throw it away. 80 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 1: I don't know the answer. Maybe you do six seven, five, four, 81 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 1: ten thirty. Isn't morally wrong to send stuff back? On 82 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 1: the other hand, yes it is. You might vote yes, 83 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 1: it is wrong. It's morally wrong. It's just wrong to 84 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: order something with the intent to use it and return it. 85 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 1: It's cheating, it's stealing. It's stealing the use of that item. 86 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: It's not fair play. It's just not fair. You entered 87 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:59,919 Speaker 1: into or no, some sort of you may feel deal 88 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: the bargain where I'm going to give you this thing. No, 89 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: I'm going to give you this money and you're going 90 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 1: to give me this thing or this service, and to 91 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: send it back under the pretenses of which I'm speaking 92 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: would be morally wrong. 93 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 2: What do you think? 94 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty. And by 95 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: the way, and I've done this topic with this version 96 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: of the topic before, tell me the wildest return you've 97 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: ever done like that as fire as you've pushed it. 98 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 2: I remember getting. 99 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: Getting a call from a gentleman who was very proud 100 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 1: and maybe it's perfectly legit that he would save the 101 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: warranty information on its vacuum cleaner and stuff like that 102 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: market in his calendar and like a month before the 103 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: warranty was up he'd send it back. 104 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 2: Is that wrong? 105 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 1: They sell it saying, you know, send it back and 106 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 1: if they accept it, if they accept it, why isn't 107 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: it okay for you to to do that? It's part 108 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: of the grand system they have. And backup when it 109 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: comes to morality, can you explain what that morality is 110 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: based on? Somehow you're cheating Jeff beasils is that you 111 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 1: versus Jeff, because if so, Jeff's winning, Jeff's winning. You 112 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: paid for your toothbrush or your your Makitah drill or whatever, 113 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: and Jeff's cruising around in five hundred million dollar vote 114 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: because of the system he's created. It seems to me 115 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: that the system's baked in and I don't have I honestly, 116 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: I completely don't have a problem with finding any problem 117 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: with the product and sending it back. I will buy 118 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: stuff I would never bother to buy because if there's 119 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: anything I don't like about it at all, if it's 120 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: a turtleneck and the next two type, I'm sending it 121 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: back and I might even wear it a day to 122 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: find out that the turtle and neck neck is too tight. Happily, 123 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: I bought a turtle neck today, and if it's great 124 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: or a keychain, I get the Keyshaine. I just don't 125 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: like it. And that's generally in the past hasn't counted 126 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: for a reason to send stuff back. 127 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 2: I don't like it, so I send it back. What 128 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 2: do you think is that? Okay? 129 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: I have to say that BESO set up a brand 130 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: new paradigm and within the workings of that it seems 131 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: to be working out that you get the return of stuff. 132 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: I kind of always feared that they'd say, Wow, this guy, 133 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 1: this guy down Boston, they're sure is turning a lot 134 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: of stuff. We're gonna shut him down. Clearly they don't care. 135 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: That's my And maybe you know something I don't know. 136 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: Do humans even look at it to see if the 137 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: package has been open? 138 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 2: Is it just robots? 139 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 1: You know, they they may have reduced the human jobs, saying, 140 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: you know what, it's cheaper for us to just have 141 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:30,319 Speaker 1: robots throw stuff away then for humans to look at 142 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: it and decide if it's been used or not. And 143 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: if that's the case, why should I sweat it? 144 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 2: So I don't. 145 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: It's a brave new world and there's a lot of 146 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: bad stuff. You know, I don't. I don't get to 147 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: talk to human you know, I'm talking to AI customer 148 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: service sometimes, you know, you at the pharmacy, you can't 149 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: get to get to a pharmacist on the phone. 150 00:09:57,679 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 2: You have to get. 151 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: Shunted off to their prescription thing. You don't get to 152 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: talk to a human there. So there's a lot of 153 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: downsides in the world. But maybe the upside is that 154 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: is hey, the robots are doing it, and robusts don't care, 155 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: and Jeff still got his it's uh his yacht and 156 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: his ridiculous amount of money. 157 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 3: And. 158 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: I don't And I think that's baked in. What do 159 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: you think we get a bunch of callers. I'm looking 160 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: forward to it. This is gonna be fun. I'd love 161 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: to hear something you have returned. Maybe you're a little 162 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: uh shady on it. Maybe you think, ooh, should I 163 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: have done that? I'm here to make you feel better 164 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:39,079 Speaker 1: about it. And the most fun would be the wildest 165 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: thing you've returned. You think, ooh, maybe I shouldn't. Maybe 166 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: I shouldn't. Like maybe you got some mouthwash and use 167 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,719 Speaker 1: it to gargo a couple of times and then send 168 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: it back minus two gargo. 169 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 2: Folks, I don't know. 170 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: Tell me where you're at WBC, and we'll talk to 171 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: Eric and Attleborough and Joshua and Newton right after this. 172 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 2: It's nice side with Boston's news radio. 173 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 1: Okay, so eleven twenty, let's go right to Eric and 174 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: Attleborough and chat about the the ins and outs are 175 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: returning stuff and way you draw the line? 176 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 2: How you doing? 177 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:19,959 Speaker 4: Eric, Hey, Bradley, it's good to talk to you. I'm 178 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,319 Speaker 4: doing doing well. Thank you for taking my call. Of course, 179 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 4: I think well, first seconds, I was a kid when 180 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 4: I did this, and really it was I mean, I 181 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 4: take responsibility for it, but it you know, but it 182 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 4: it was really ridiculous. Nobody got physically hurt. But what 183 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 4: we did was we took like a we bought like 184 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 4: the first PlayStation at Walmart, and we put like this 185 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:51,839 Speaker 4: was me and friends of mine like in the high 186 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 4: school or whatever, and we put like a broken like 187 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 4: like DVD player back in the box and then just 188 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 4: taped it up and then we went to return it 189 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 4: and know that, but put on an act like of 190 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 4: being so incredibly inconvenience to further, you know, just like 191 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 4: make the case for like, you know, not only you know, 192 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 4: I mean obviously it's returning a perfectly good, you know, expero. 193 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: I'm so incensed you would sell me this awful thing. 194 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 4: Yeah and yeah. 195 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 3: So it's like by and by doing that, he got like, 196 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 3: uh like three months like complimentary service. 197 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 4: Complimentary service from this is like from uh that's by 198 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 4: I remember so like it. So I think this was 199 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 4: roughly ten twelve years ago, so you know, there's still 200 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 4: walking in places like that and uh, excuse me, not 201 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 4: best By. I'm sorry, it was Walmart. It was it 202 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 4: was Walmart. I was thinking of two separate things actually, 203 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,559 Speaker 4: like because he did it with a computer too, that's 204 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 4: a whole different story. 205 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 5: But this is the funny thing though. 206 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 3: It's like he pumped it up so bad that at Walmart, 207 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 3: so that they did give. 208 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 4: Him like a ten dollars gift certificate for like his 209 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 4: game convenience, and he put on a whole show like 210 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 4: saying this is my son. He doesn't even have a son, 211 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 4: you know what I mean, And like they felt so bad. 212 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 4: But now like there is safe guys in place to 213 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:24,199 Speaker 4: an extent at Walmart, for instance, where number one, And 214 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 4: like I know a little bit about this because I 215 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 4: work in this in the business of basically information, you know, 216 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 4: choke points like the real here and now at certain 217 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:40,079 Speaker 4: places really dictate like what is what and it's important 218 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 4: in like loss prevention, asset protection. These things all are 219 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 4: downstream from the Starbine's Ox the Act in two thousand 220 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 4: and two that leads are the actual like physical procedures 221 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 4: that are done in at companies to make sure that 222 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 4: there's no misappropriation of assets and so on and so forth. 223 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 4: But anyway, you know, this is the thing though, is 224 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 4: that in this day and age, if someone tried to 225 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 4: do that trick, I mean, it would be not only 226 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 4: would like and thankfully because there's like serial you know, 227 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 4: specific serial numbers and like things that can't be you know, 228 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 4: seals that can't be broken, Like the sales transaction is 229 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 4: much more secure so that there's not a possibility of 230 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 4: a fraudulent item actually ever being sold in a box 231 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 4: presenting as the item as it is. But now where 232 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 4: we're at and I don't know, I know that you 233 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 4: touch on AI and stuff, you know, the consumer level 234 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 4: AI like claudio and chat TPT and rock and whatever 235 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 4: they're do it at Google and stuff like that, Like 236 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 4: those are just like little toys compared to like ever, frankly, 237 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 4: compared with the predictive you've seeing technology that's been available 238 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 4: uh since frankly since the passing of the US uh 239 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 4: the Patriot Act, right, which which you know, not in 240 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 4: a you know, conspiratorial like you know, seditious way, but 241 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 4: just you know what it did in fact, because I 242 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 4: actually working on a documentary about about this, is that 243 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 4: under the ostice of terrorism and and and terrorism that 244 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 4: word itself that's augmented like over the course of the 245 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 4: past twenty five years. But anyway, under the austice of 246 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 4: terrorism in essence, certain major you know, themes and just 247 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 4: like overall overarching meaning of the First Amendment and the 248 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 4: Fourth Amendment and the Fifth Amendment and the sixth Amendment, 249 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 4: the Tenth Amendment have been completely like temp rarely used 250 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 4: there by the Patriot Act written by Michael Turtoff. I 251 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 4: might add two years prior, but I'm not going to 252 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 4: go down on that road. But but really what I 253 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 4: want to say is that you know, with you know, 254 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 4: everything like surveillance capital in this country is it is 255 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 4: that's the value that's in data. When people say that 256 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 4: data is the next oil, like that's I mean for 257 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 4: financial people, like I really have to understand what like 258 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 4: what is valuable about data? Well, valuable data about a person. 259 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 4: Let's say it is a person. Valuable data about that 260 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 4: person is like verifiable you know, like by many sources, 261 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 4: you know, like meaning by studying. 262 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 3: You know. 263 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 4: Let's say it's a person that has an influential role 264 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 4: at a I'm just going to say a company like 265 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 4: like Fidelity Investments in you know, for the Boston area. 266 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,199 Speaker 4: So like, if there's a person there that makes like 267 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 4: a like has heavy decision making authority, like the data 268 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 4: about that person is very valuable in predicting the future. 269 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 4: And I wonder if how hip you know? I'm sure, 270 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 4: I mean you know a lot about many things. And 271 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 4: but something that's just very fascinating today is this thing 272 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 4: called poly market, which is like a prediction to gambling 273 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 4: market in essence. In essence, yeah, I mean, like, I 274 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 4: mean that you can get like people gamble on like 275 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 4: there's an eighty two chance that the US will go 276 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 4: full neo con and like attack Venezuela's the regime champ, 277 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 4: Like I mean that can be waiters upon. 278 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 5: Now the fact that. 279 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 3: That's even a thing, there's so many it's it's such 280 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 3: a sad commentary on our society itself. 281 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: Especially if they decided to rig that. What if somebody 282 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: what if somebody in power, say in in in had 283 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 1: to have money on it, and and and well they 284 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: to make money if they invested in it and stood 285 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: to make money by attacking that's like insider information to 286 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 1: make money. 287 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 3: Well that that well thingo because actually that's the whole 288 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 3: purpose of poly market is to actually in a sick 289 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:38,719 Speaker 3: way because it's unregulated. It's no, it's not regulated by 290 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 3: the SEC. It's not, it's not. 291 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 4: It's yet to be regulated. 292 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 6: It really is a a quiet ah like uh, disruptive 293 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 6: weapon of. 294 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 4: I'm trying to think, I want to use the right words. 295 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 4: It it's a it's a wealth extraction mechanism. That's what. 296 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: That's the bottom line. That's what everything. That's the bottom 297 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: line is what everything's. So what you're saying is very interesting. 298 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: Like the president, a president could if they knew of 299 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 1: this betting market say yeah, I'm gonna put a million 300 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:23,199 Speaker 1: bucks on we go into uh Venezuela and take it 301 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:24,880 Speaker 1: over and then take it over. 302 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 5: And and I know for a fact, I don't. 303 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 4: Know anyone in the administration or like in the military, 304 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 4: not not that level. 305 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 3: But poly market. 306 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 4: Also, it's ever since like because Elon Musk like purchase 307 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 4: you know, Twitter, And now here's the thing that ties 308 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 4: into all this. 309 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 5: It's like, what's what is it? 310 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 4: I knew what Elon must wanted about Twitter, you know, 311 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 4: as far as the acquisition, I mean, there was some 312 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 4: predictive that we made when we got them, all right, 313 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,919 Speaker 4: and I mean because we knew why he wanted to 314 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 4: buy it, Like, I mean he put on he put 315 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 4: for the sake of the culture wars and the sake 316 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 4: of you know, no toast politics like you know what 317 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 4: I mean, like red blue, tribal struggle politics, you know, 318 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 4: and frankly it's that would be a conversation for another day. 319 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 4: But I think it is has been remarkable in the 320 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 4: last two years, the acceleration of like it's the disintegration 321 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 4: of people like tribally. 322 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 3: And like wholeheartedly aligning. 323 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:50,880 Speaker 4: With like either the quote left or the right based 324 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 4: on you know, based on the old adage of there's 325 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 4: a bundle of issues here, there's ten twelve issues and 326 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 4: in order to be you know, oncted on either the 327 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 4: left or the right in the parliamentarian you know, excuse me, 328 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 4: in the French parliamentarian style of republic democracy I guess, 329 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 4: or you know, in a democratic republic. But basically, what 330 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 4: I wanted to say about this, let me think it's 331 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 4: I mean, everything that you said is is tremendously correct 332 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 4: about I mean, politicians having plays in these polymarkets. 333 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, but. 334 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 4: They but it's not even that, it's it's it's the 335 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 4: it's the actual like entities that that carry out the 336 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 4: activities to make the thing happen. They have the inside 337 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 4: information that's going to happen. 338 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 3: So like, you know, I must about Twitter because I 339 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 3: mean he put it out there for you know, culture. 340 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 4: Sharket and whatever. He said, I want to shut down 341 00:21:58,680 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 4: the woke mind virus. 342 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 5: I mean, it was the it was the you know, 343 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 5: it wasn't like Twitter. 344 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 4: Like I I work in the realm of VC of 345 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 4: vc DC in the text sphere and also energy. I mean, 346 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 4: I'm pretty much retired from that, but I did keep 347 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 4: my like from ninety seven to about two thousand and nineteen, 348 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 4: like I really like keeping my ear to the ground 349 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 4: on the movement of this stuff has really been like 350 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 4: my job. And also like I do have like a 351 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,479 Speaker 4: small online publication where I discuss these things. But anyway, 352 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 4: tell us, oh, I mean, I don't know if I 353 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 4: want to plug my own thing here. 354 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm asking So it's okay. 355 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 4: Okay, there are It was well Calculus of Decay dot com. However, 356 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 4: that was a word press blog I paid for and 357 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 4: it was like terminated for uh you know, in terms 358 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:13,719 Speaker 4: of excuse me, like terms of peace violation. What did 359 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 4: you do? 360 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: Wrong. 361 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 2: What did you say wrong? Wow? You got terminated? Wow? 362 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 3: Well this this was like, I mean, I had the 363 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 3: blog for like, uh six years or whatever, but this 364 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 3: was a couple of years ago. 365 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 5: But I've actually. 366 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:25,640 Speaker 4: Reprinted it all on. 367 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 2: To get terminated. 368 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 4: Well, I mean a lot of people granted, like I said, 369 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 4: two years ago, this was but I mean, I mean, 370 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 4: you don't have. 371 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 2: To tell me. 372 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, I can tell you. No, I can definitely tell you. 373 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 4: I used colorful language because like but, but, but I 374 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 4: was politically incorrect for the sake of being politically incorrect, 375 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 4: which pretty much was the Maga credo, if you will. 376 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 4: A simple Maga America was to like mock like you know, LGBT, 377 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 4: but not in the like discuss derogatory way, but rather 378 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 4: in just like a like a mocking of the. 379 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 2: Way, like a satirical way. 380 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, because ethnic and things are funny, because not because 381 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 3: they're hateful and. 382 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 5: Racist, but because they're true. 383 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 4: It makes them funny, Like there's just things that are 384 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 4: there if. 385 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:21,360 Speaker 2: You haven't specific the idea. Yeah, I have to bring 386 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 2: I have to go now. 387 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah, okay, I didn't mean to ramble on, 388 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 4: but uh I just yeah, I did remble on a little. 389 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 4: See that's the thing that's changed in a lot of 390 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 4: things have changed in Boston. I don't know, it's it's 391 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 4: it's a different type of city. But like I guess 392 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 4: if I could just say this one last thing, just 393 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 4: sticking with uh, you know your example, I mean, keep 394 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 4: it you. I hope it would if we had a 395 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 4: high trust society, which would mean not fifty year mortgages, but. 396 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 5: Actually like like ah, interest. 397 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 4: Free loan to a newly married couple and for every 398 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 4: kid that they have, a quarter of the principle is 399 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 4: of that loan is is forgiven. Not we shouldn't, I 400 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 4: mean we do. We shouldn't have fifteen were car loans? 401 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 4: What car runs for fifteen years. 402 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,360 Speaker 5: We live in such a. 403 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:15,360 Speaker 4: Poisonous, demonic, usurious society, and a lot of people on 404 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,880 Speaker 4: the left and right I think have shattered out of that, 405 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 4: especially seeing the events that have that have been live, 406 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 4: you know, having a genocide live screen to like billions 407 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 4: of devices every day, like a lot of the shivoletts, 408 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 4: a lot of like the things that we were told 409 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 4: that the way that the world was we all know 410 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 4: no longer are, and we want to be able to 411 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 4: get back to a place where no one would even 412 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,439 Speaker 4: have in their right mind to ever go and to 413 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 4: pull out some sort of goofy scam right like they're 414 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 4: turning a brick inside of the empty time. 415 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: All right, I gotta go. I get the gist of it. 416 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,360 Speaker 1: Thank you very very much. Eric, appreciate I do appreciate it. 417 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 1: And we'll get to Edwin and Weymouth next. On WBZI, 418 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:04,199 Speaker 1: you Boston's news radio. Bradley Jay for Dan, I'm asking you, 419 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: do you think it's okay to use something and return 420 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: it to the place you bought it from. It could 421 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:13,360 Speaker 1: be any any sort of big I'm talking big sellers, 422 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: but the easiest example, just to choose one would be Amazon. 423 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,640 Speaker 1: And so here in order to and I'll get right 424 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 1: to get right to you in a moment Edward and Weymouth, 425 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: I thought I would tell you what happens when things 426 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: are returned to Amazon. And by the way, what's my 427 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 1: source chat GPT. Believe it or not. That depends on 428 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,400 Speaker 1: how much you trust chatp GPT, but it seems pretty specific. 429 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: What happens when items are returned to Amazon. First it 430 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,120 Speaker 1: goes to the Amazon Return Center, and then if it's 431 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: like new it may be resold if it's open about works. 432 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,439 Speaker 1: Amazon resounds it has used and that I've never bought anything. 433 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: I've never bought anything used, but I see the option. 434 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: If it's damaged, liquidated in bulk, some items go back 435 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: to the manufacturer, and if it's truly unsellable it's recycled 436 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:19,360 Speaker 1: or destroyed. Then there's the jackpot, the returnless refund. Everyone 437 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: said that happen, right. For some reason they go, nah, 438 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: never mind, probably because shipping it back is it costs 439 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 1: them more than it is worth. And so there you go. 440 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:39,400 Speaker 1: Now we go to any anyone actually at six one, seven, two, five, four, 441 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: ten thirty. 442 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 2: But right now we have Edward and women. 443 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,919 Speaker 3: Hi, Edward, Hey, what's going on? 444 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:46,120 Speaker 4: Man? 445 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 2: How you doing? I'm doing well. 446 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 3: That was a pretty interesting question. I mean, how do 447 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 3: you feel about the Amazon thing? 448 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 2: All right? 449 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,640 Speaker 1: Well, it depends on the item. Give me an example 450 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 1: of an item. And when I say so, is it 451 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 1: an air condition, is it a toothbrush? Is it underwear? 452 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 1: Is it a blanket? You know, give me an idea 453 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: the personal level. 454 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 3: Let's make it something similar then. So, I mean, I'm 455 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 3: an audio engineer. I work in the audio industry, so 456 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 3: I mean you work in radio. Let's say, for example, 457 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 3: you buy let's just throw it out there like a 458 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:29,360 Speaker 3: name brand high end microphone, right okay, and you take 459 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 3: it out and for example, like for you, let's say 460 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,880 Speaker 3: I'm the audio engineer at a radio station. We set 461 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 3: it up, we try it out, and we go, you 462 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 3: know what, I don't think this complements your voice as well? 463 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 3: And we put it back in and it's just as new. 464 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 3: Do you think that that should be sold for if 465 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 3: not full but brand new used price? Where would you 466 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 3: level that? 467 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 4: Let them do this. 468 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 2: I don't care. 469 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: I let them decide because, as you know, on Amazon, 470 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: you can click it says. 471 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 2: New and not opened. 472 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: It says open but not used, and it says eat 473 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: a little bit or something. And I would take a 474 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: look at it and see if it seems new? 475 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 2: Did I reckon is it? 476 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: Would anyone ever know that it was used? Would anyone 477 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: ever suffer? Would it not work one hundred percent for 478 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 1: anyone else that got it? I guess I'd say it 479 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: was new because it's I mean, what would you say? 480 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 3: Right? Well, so let's say we took good care of it, 481 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 3: Like let's let's get a little bit. 482 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 2: More specific a month. 483 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 3: Would you say, let's say we took it out the 484 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 3: box and we plugged it in, and we did an 485 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 3: A B test to the mic that you use right now, 486 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 3: and we did not like it, right, and we go 487 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 3: ahead and return it. So I deal with stuff like 488 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 3: this on the daily where it's used gear brand new, 489 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 3: like what level of it? 490 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: I don't count that if you plugged it in you 491 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: didn't like it, I don't count that as used. I 492 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: mean just in five minutes ago. 493 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 2: Nah, that's no good. That's how would you know at all? 494 00:29:58,640 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 2: That's I don't think that's used. 495 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 3: What would you call that mint condition? Though it's brand new, 496 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 3: but it's open box, so it has been plugged in, 497 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 3: being handled, no scratches, correct, right, Yeah, So you would 498 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 3: say this on the daily. 499 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 2: You would say package opened, not used. 500 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 4: Correct? 501 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 3: In this consumer based economy that we live in right now, 502 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 3: would you say the value of that item, let's value 503 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 3: it at like twelve hundred dollars because it's brand new, 504 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 3: and we bought it for twelve hundred dollars right with 505 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 3: the taxes included in whatever. Because we opened it up, 506 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 3: we plugged it in, we tried it, we did not 507 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 3: like it. It is mint condition, brand new, no scratches, 508 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 3: no blemishes, has been used one time. Do you believe 509 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 3: that the value of something like that should go down 510 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 3: around two hundred, two hundred and fifty dollars just because 511 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 3: we took it out the package and plugged it in 512 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 3: and tried it in. It's in mint condition. 513 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 2: It's interesting there. 514 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: Packaging does have a value if they could package it 515 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: up and sell it, if it's easy for them to 516 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: repackage it, then no, I don't. And and if they 517 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: say they they make the promise, Look, dude, buy it 518 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: if you don't like to send it back. I bought 519 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 1: it under those pretenses, so then I get to return it. 520 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: If they say, we really don't want you to return this, 521 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 1: if you open it and we're gonna make it. 522 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 2: They make it super easy. They make it so easy. 523 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 2: As you know. 524 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: Now you don't even need a box for some a 525 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: lot of stuff you can just. 526 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 3: You can almost return the item without the original box. 527 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 2: Correct, all right, and take it to you take it 528 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 2: to UPS. 529 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: In many cases you take it to UPS just the thing, 530 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: not even in a box, not even with a return label. 531 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: You print out a QR code, you give them the code, 532 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: you give them the thing and you never see it again. 533 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 3: So now let me ask you this. If we take 534 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 3: it outside of Amazon and we now, let's say you 535 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 3: bought it from Amazon, and let's say you go to 536 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 3: a local for example, this is what I do. Let's 537 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 3: say you go to a local audio and gear repair sales, 538 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 3: you know, et cetera place, and you go to try 539 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 3: to resell it with the value that's given and just 540 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 3: with what we got going on. And I mean, this 541 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 3: is my first time calling it, so I'm really trying 542 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 3: to pick your brain and see where the where you're at. 543 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 3: I think ahead, well, what do you think what direction 544 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 3: are we heading in? Do you think the value of 545 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 3: products just decreasing immediately is like the direction that we're 546 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 3: heading in? 547 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: Or we were kind of already there. So you you're 548 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: talking about buying something and at Amazon, then taking it 549 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: into a local guy and he sells it as he 550 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: or she sells it as new, and you're wondering about 551 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: the morality of that. 552 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 3: But let me ask you this, just because it's bought 553 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 3: at Amazon, do you think that because it's a secondhand 554 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 3: seller getting a name brand item, it should be decreased 555 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 3: in value because you're getting something from Amazon. 556 00:32:55,760 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: Should that the guy down on Moody Street or whoever, right, whomever? 557 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 1: Should they be able to sell it as new because 558 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 1: you just took it out of the box, plugged it 559 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 1: in once. And should that person be able to sell 560 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 1: it as new? And let's let's do this, let's do 561 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 1: the golden rule. If I bought it and found out 562 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: that somebody plugged it and once and put it in 563 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: a box, would I'd be bummed out. I wouldn't really 564 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: be bummed out, but I'd probably complain and try to 565 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 1: get something out of it. 566 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 2: I think that you're. 567 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 3: Let's say it goes up on the test bench and 568 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 3: it gets tests to spec factory spec, and it passes 569 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 3: with all flying colors? Is that morally wrong? 570 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 2: Okay? 571 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 3: The box? 572 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 1: The box is untorn, unbroken or anything. 573 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 2: And this isnt okay? 574 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: I mean, okay, this is such a great question. I 575 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 1: wish we had more time. If I had to, if 576 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: I had to be the judge, and I'm the judge 577 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: in the court and this is cases in court, I'm 578 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 1: gonna say, I'm gonna let the guys sell it as 579 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 1: new because it was open, it was really opened and tested, 580 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: not used. Correct. 581 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 2: Thank you. 582 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 5: All? 583 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 4: Right, I like, thank you, my friend. 584 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 3: I appreciate you for your time. Man, I appreciate it. 585 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 2: Okay, thanks, You're very welcome. 586 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 3: And a great rest of the night. Brother. 587 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I hope you had a positive experience and 588 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:25,720 Speaker 1: you'll call again. 589 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 4: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's 590 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 4: news radio. 591 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 2: That's right. 592 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 1: It's great to be with you folks again. You know, 593 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 1: it's interesting I talked to some brand new colors that 594 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 1: I haven't heard as young actually younger callers, which is 595 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: which is quite interesting. And uh, just about six sixty 596 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: seven minutes left. This this is kind of a modern 597 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 1: day morality thing, whether it is and under what circumstances 598 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:02,320 Speaker 1: it is okay to return stuff to I use Amazon 599 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 1: as a as an example, I guess because I use 600 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,879 Speaker 1: Amazon probably more than I would, I feel guilty about it. 601 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,840 Speaker 1: Here's why I feel guilty, And one of the reasons 602 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:21,360 Speaker 1: is not that I feel guilty on not using a 603 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 1: smaller mom and pop store. Let me tell you a 604 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 1: little story. At some point, I thought, you know, I'm 605 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: going to start to use a mom and pop shop, 606 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 1: and I need an air conditioner. I need what do 607 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: you call the air conditioners that are used for sliding 608 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:41,360 Speaker 1: windows casement air conditioner. So I did my research. Founder 609 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 1: I don't know. It might have been a Ken Moore, 610 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,360 Speaker 1: can't be sure. And I am going to use a 611 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,760 Speaker 1: local appliance store. I'm going to be a good doobie. 612 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,799 Speaker 2: And and do this. I'll do the hard work. 613 00:35:55,840 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 1: I'll find one which is a pain, and i'll see 614 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 1: if they have it, et cetera. 615 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 2: So I called talk to the guy. 616 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 1: And for one thing, the price was kind of, you know, 617 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 1: flexible and weird. It was kind of not shady, but uncertain. 618 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: Finally arrived at a price, and a week passed, and 619 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 1: a week passed, and some more time passed, and I 620 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 1: called up some other guy answered. I said, yeah, I'm 621 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,360 Speaker 1: looking to see what's going on with this model x 622 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 1: y Z one two three four air conditioner. I said, oh, 623 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:45,960 Speaker 1: who told you we had those? I said, Bob Smith. 624 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:52,919 Speaker 1: He is, well, he shouldn't because, uh, you know, we don't. 625 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 1: They don't make those anymore. And so I was out 626 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 1: like three weeks of time. And of course it's getting 627 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,440 Speaker 1: closer to this. It was a it was a waste 628 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 1: of time. Whereas and I actually don't think I got 629 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 1: it from Amazon. I think I got it from Walds 630 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 1: Walgreens maybe whereas free delivery and the Mama popped in 631 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,040 Speaker 1: that free delivery. Maybe there's no such thing as a 632 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 1: free lunch or free delivery in the in the price 633 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:26,319 Speaker 1: is baked in. But you know, humping the giant air 634 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 1: conditioner up three flights, the delivery matters. So it was 635 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,320 Speaker 1: I did the Mama Pop store. It was a bad experience. However, 636 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:38,840 Speaker 1: I will tell you when it comes to clothing, don't. 637 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 1: It's not good to buy clothing online unless it's super 638 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,640 Speaker 1: easy to send back. But there's no way you can 639 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 1: tell how something looks. And I don't recommend buying clothing online. 640 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,680 Speaker 1: I actually recommend buying vintage clothes. You can get a 641 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:58,799 Speaker 1: way big bank, bigger bang for the buck I have. 642 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 1: I have many times failed. The fit just doesn't. You 643 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 1: never know how it's gonna fit, the materials too. Sometimes 644 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 1: the materials too thinsier, things are poking out. You don't 645 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 1: want to poke out. Sometimes it's too thick, Sometimes it 646 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 1: sleeves to you never know. You end up returning it's 647 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 1: a waste of time. So it's way better to go 648 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,359 Speaker 1: in person and try something on. That includes hats as well, 649 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 1: but as far as and I don't like to admit 650 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 1: this because of the packaging. The packaging things a real, 651 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:34,240 Speaker 1: real problem for me. But you know, if I'm honest, 652 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 1: I guess the guilt about the packaging is outweighed by 653 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,800 Speaker 1: the convenience, and that makes me a bad person. 654 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:41,359 Speaker 2: I get it. 655 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 1: The thing is when it comes to that, and now 656 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,799 Speaker 1: we get in into the environment environnment, I guess my 657 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:50,920 Speaker 1: final statement will. 658 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:52,480 Speaker 2: We'll have to do with the environment. 659 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,560 Speaker 1: No one seems to really care about it anyway, So 660 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,200 Speaker 1: why should I go through the hassles? 661 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 2: Because no, because it's not a thing. 662 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 1: And if people really cared about the environment, every rooftop 663 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,919 Speaker 1: and the commercial building would be a solar panel. Why 664 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,879 Speaker 1: can't that happen? Until somebody explains it to me, I'll 665 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,400 Speaker 1: just think we don't really have an interest in saving 666 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:22,040 Speaker 1: the world. We don't have any interest in climate, we 667 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,320 Speaker 1: don't have any interest in fossil fuel saving. 668 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:27,839 Speaker 2: You know, we talk a game. 669 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,000 Speaker 1: A few people are doing something, but if it's going 670 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 1: to work, everybody has to be on board, and they're not, 671 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:38,840 Speaker 1: so there's no hope. In addition, even if everyone in 672 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 1: the United States were on board, China doesn't care. Big 673 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,440 Speaker 1: huge swats of the world don't care. So there, you 674 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,319 Speaker 1: know what, if nobody else cares, I'm gonna use that. 675 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,799 Speaker 1: You know the people that send me and yeah, they 676 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:59,279 Speaker 1: use extra packages because if nobody else cares, then I'm 677 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:00,080 Speaker 1: gonna get mine. 678 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,120 Speaker 2: Is that terrible? I've been brutally honest with you. 679 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,600 Speaker 1: Maybe that makes me a goat, but maybe it may 680 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,480 Speaker 1: also maybe it makes you feel better about yourself. 681 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,399 Speaker 2: Look forward to talking to tomorrow night. 682 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,920 Speaker 1: Emily Sweeney from The Boston Globe will join us and 683 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,960 Speaker 1: talk about thirteen or creepy places you can visit in 684 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,279 Speaker 1: New England. She's always a good guest. Can't wait to 685 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,480 Speaker 1: talk to you tomorrow at eight pm on Nightside