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Speaker 4: Good afternoon, Happy Thursday. Welcome in to the latest edition

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Speaker 4: of Cincy three sixty. You are listening on the Home

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Speaker 4: of the Bengals, ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station, thanks

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Speaker 4: and welcome to a show where we this week, for

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Speaker 4: whatever reason, Austin always have even more to talk about

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Speaker 4: than normal things in the sports world. Just keep happening

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Speaker 4: throughout the week. We had the Kyle Schwarber Watch, we

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Speaker 4: had Zach Taylor's press conference coming off a loss against

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Speaker 4: the Buffalo Bills. Been a lot going on in sports

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Speaker 4: and it's not slowed down. We have to spend a

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Speaker 4: lot of time today talking about what Joe Burrow said

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Speaker 4: at the podium yesterday that to me is the top

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Speaker 4: story out of Cincinnati right now, and it's now the

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Speaker 4: top story national. If you watch ESPN, get up. If

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Speaker 4: you listen to the show before this on Sportsmanlike. There's

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Speaker 4: a lot of conversation around Joe Burrow. I have my thoughts,

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Speaker 4: Austin has his thoughts. We'll share those in our second

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Speaker 4: segment of the day. Football in the NATI today coming

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Speaker 4: up around twelve twenty ish, so we'll get to that.

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Speaker 4: John Sheeran covering the Bengals from a disease sports will

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Speaker 4: join us at one o'clock. Our guy, Keegan nickoson Bearcat

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Speaker 4: Journal dot com. We'll check in with us to discuss

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Speaker 4: the Bearcats and the Liberty Bowl. Discuss you see and

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Speaker 4: their upcoming matchup against Georgia on Saturday. So Keegan will

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Speaker 4: our normal Read and React segment that we'll get to

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Speaker 4: in our number three, we'll check in on some former

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Speaker 4: Barricats and what they've done at the college basketball level. Also,

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Speaker 4: Week fifteen of the NFL gets underway tonight. Yes, Week

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Speaker 4: fifteen NFL starts tonight. It's Falcons, It's Buccaneers, It's Baker Mayfield,

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Speaker 4: it's Bijon Robinson, mecag Buca, a lot of star power

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Speaker 4: on the field tonight. It's a Tampa Bay team that

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Speaker 4: is in desperate need of ending their skit at seven

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Speaker 4: and six against the Falcons team who is playing for

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Speaker 4: little at this point with Kirk Cousins as their quarterback.

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Speaker 4: We'll look ahead to what Week fifteen is for the

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Speaker 4: rest of the National Football League as well. The NBA

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Speaker 4: Cup is happening, and there is something going on in

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Speaker 4: the NBA that I am fascinated by. Austin, I mentioned

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Speaker 4: this when you got in today. It is the lack

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Speaker 4: of attention around the defending champion Oklahoma City Thunder. Now,

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Speaker 4: last night the Spurs beat the Lakers, the Thunder beat

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Speaker 4: the So so what you have is the final four

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Speaker 4: now set in the NBA Cup. Nicks will take on

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Speaker 4: the Magic and the Thunder will take on the Spurs,

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Speaker 4: who without Victor Webbinyama last night beat the Los Angeles Lakers.

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Speaker 4: But to me, Austin the talking point, the Oklahoma City

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Speaker 4: Thunder are twenty four and one. They are twenty four

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Speaker 4: It goes on and on and on. They're winning games, Austin,

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Speaker 4: and most of these games aren't even close. And yet

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Speaker 4: This is bonkers, and I think as we go because

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Speaker 5: I really wanted to spend a good chunk of today

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Speaker 5: University of Michigan and the Michigan man entitlement tour that

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Speaker 5: But unfortunately this story went from something that was easy

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Speaker 5: With reports out there that Sharon Moore allegedly threatened to

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Speaker 5: lives are being ruined by this. Careers are being destroyed

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Speaker 4: It's going to be a lot to watch, and again,

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Speaker 4: it's hard in these early stages to separate what is

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Speaker 5: I do want to do clear one thing up because

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Speaker 5: I've seen this a lot a lot of people, and

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Speaker 5: Is the idea of Michigan holding out on these guys

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Speaker 5: everybody in the program has a fifteen day window that

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Speaker 5: that is built into college football is that if a

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Speaker 4: So there is there's an awful lot going on around

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Speaker 4: of see going forward how this all plays itself out. Now,

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Speaker 4: know if you saw these quotes, Austoin, but I have to.

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Speaker 4: I wrote this down immediately to ask you. Jeremy Fowler said, yes,

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Speaker 4: I'm interested to see what the Bengals do on defense.

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Speaker 4: Do they give Al Golden a second year or are

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Speaker 4: we looking at another scheme change. This is what got me.

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Speaker 4: The way they feel their linebackers have improved as the

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Speaker 5: Are we at the point where and I.

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Speaker 5: No, I don't know that there's anybody that is set

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Speaker 5: stuff that has to get better. Yeah, and I don't

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Speaker 5: think Al Golden should be I don't think he should return.

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Speaker 5: And if that quote, you know that what he said is,

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Speaker 5: you know, get players that fit his system. Well, what

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Speaker 5: the hell have we been doing for the last twelve month.

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Speaker 5: That's what we just did. We fired lou in a

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Speaker 4: And he's the lineman he was, he was a linebacker coach. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: Oh man, one on one Jeremiah Smith third down the

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Speaker 5: When we get back.

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Speaker 4: There are again conversations happening nationally now about Joe Burrow

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Speaker 4: in past pro win rate during Joe Burrow's career twenty

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Speaker 4: sometimes we just get caught up in numbers and stats.

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Speaker 4: All Right, welcome back, it is football in the NATI.

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Speaker 4: Let's dive into the major story from yesterday, and that

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Speaker 6: No, it certainly doesn't change my desire to win. You know,

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Speaker 7: How much are you having right now?

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Speaker 8: It's difficult to have fun given the season, what you've

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Speaker 9: Certainly did you have fun playing?

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Speaker 7: What was the changing point?

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Speaker 9: It's just a reflection, reflection on a lot of things

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Speaker 7: In my career. I think I've been through more than.

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Speaker 5: Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it seemed frustrated.

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Speaker 7: There's a lot of things going on right now, a

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Speaker 5: On right now, all related personally.

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Speaker 4: It's relatable from Joe Burrow that last part there, that

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Speaker 4: And it's interesting to me because before this came out

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Speaker 4: Burrow turned twenty nine years old. It's his sixth season

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Speaker 4: One would argue they signed Jamar Chase, they signed T Higgins,

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Speaker 4: think Joe Burrow would walk away from football? Not right now.

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Speaker 5: Here's what I do know.

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Speaker 4: Joe Burrow would not just run up to a podium

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Speaker 5: It ain't good enough.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if it was genuinely necessarily a shot

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Speaker 5: think if you rewind a week or two to the

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Speaker 5: Thanksgiving game, where you could tell he was emotional, I

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Speaker 5: think that is maybe another indicator of of just the

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Speaker 5: fact that he has a lot going on in his life,

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Speaker 5: football and non football. I get what you're saying, and

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Speaker 5: I think that's a fair point. And the other thing

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Speaker 5: that the media immediately runs to is Andrew Luck and

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Speaker 5: how he walked away from football after having similar issues. Now,

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Speaker 5: I don't think Andrew Luck and Joe Burrow are cut

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Speaker 5: from the same cloth. I don't think they're the same personality.

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Speaker 5: I don't think they have the same values. I don't

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Speaker 5: think those two guys are similar at all. And I

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Speaker 5: don't think Joe Burrow would walk away from football. But

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Speaker 5: I do think that the threat of Andrew Luck is

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Speaker 5: a good thing because if it's always possible that your

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Speaker 5: star quarterback can walk away from the game like Andrew

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Speaker 5: Luck did, then it should be a constant reminder, not

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Speaker 5: just a birthday where a guy turns twenty nine, or

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Speaker 5: not just a press conference where he's clearly not feeling it,

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Speaker 5: but the idea that this has happened before and wouldn't

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Speaker 5: be the first time, and there have been disputes between

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Speaker 5: quarterbacks and the Bengals ownership and quarterbacks in the past

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Speaker 5: should be a reminder that says, Okay, this is really possible.

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Speaker 5: And the fact that as soon as we get to

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Speaker 5: this point, the national media runs through two paths. Number one,

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Speaker 5: the Bengals are gonna kill him, or number two, he's

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Speaker 5: gonna walk away like Andrew Luck. I don't know that.

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Speaker 5: The way I'm the point I'm trying to make is

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Speaker 5: it is a good thing for when this stuff happens,

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Speaker 5: that the Bengals have their noses rubbed in it to

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Speaker 5: be reminded of how you should be taking care of

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Speaker 5: your quarterback. And I think with Carson Palmer it was

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Speaker 5: a lack of effort, a fundamental lack of effort by

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Speaker 5: Mike Brown and the Brown family with Joe Burrow, I

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Speaker 5: think it's been a fundamental failure in the execution of

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Speaker 5: that effort. Those two things are different.

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Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of folks in life and

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Speaker 4: maybe not I certainly can do it, that can understand

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Speaker 4: having something you enjoy to do so dearly and having

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Speaker 4: the joy sucked out of it. Absolutely, And to me

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Speaker 4: yesterday it felt kind of dark. It felt like a

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Speaker 4: player who again is not having as much fun as

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Speaker 4: he wanted to. Why Because I think on the outside,

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Speaker 4: I think if you have the truth, Sam, you asked

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Speaker 4: Joe how close you are Super Bowl? I don't think

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Speaker 4: he feels like they're close right now. And for a

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Speaker 4: quarterback who again, you talk about your football mortality, you

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Speaker 4: talk about how many years, how many injuries can you

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Speaker 4: go through, how many more times can you rehab the

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Speaker 4: physical and mental side of a major injury and fight back,

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Speaker 4: and how many opportunities you get going forward. That's what

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Speaker 4: I thought that was yesterday, And whether it was calculated

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Speaker 4: or not calculated from Joe Burrow yesterday, my point of

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Speaker 4: view was that it was austin. Your point of view

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Speaker 4: was that it was not. If I'm the Bengals. I

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Speaker 4: have to operate as if it was calculated. I have

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Speaker 4: to operate as you know what, that's a guy who's

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Speaker 4: not enjoying what he's doing right now, and it's our

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Speaker 4: job as an organization to make sure we get this right.

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Speaker 4: Whether it was purposeful or not from Joe Burrow. The

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Speaker 4: Bengals reaction should be the same. Here's where this gets

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Speaker 4: crazy is because this now becomes the national reaction. Do

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Speaker 4: we have the Dan Orlofsky audio from Unsportsmen like today

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Speaker 4: we do? This is now from those comments yesterday, this

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Speaker 4: is now what the comments are nationally going forward today.

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Speaker 4: This is Dan Orlofski with Evan Cohen on on Sportsman

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Speaker 4: Like earlier this morning.

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Speaker 14: Dan, would it shock you if Joe Burrow after this

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Speaker 14: season retired?

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Speaker 5: It would shock me if he retired.

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Speaker 10: Yes, obviously there's a lot of similarities here to Andrew Luck.

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Speaker 10: It would shock me if three teams weren't on the

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Speaker 10: phone today after what he said yesterday figuring out how

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Speaker 10: do we make him part of our football team now,

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Speaker 10: three months from now, six months from now, a year

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Speaker 10: from now. He obviously is in a bad place with

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Speaker 10: that organization. It's not surprising, but I would be very

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Speaker 10: surprised if he chose not.

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Speaker 7: To play football.

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Speaker 14: Are three teams you're saying offhanded? Or do you have

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Speaker 14: three teams in mind? I have three in mind, care

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Speaker 14: to share? Jets, Raiders, Steelers. Oh, those would be.

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Speaker 10: The three that if I were those three organizations. I'm

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Speaker 10: in a brainstorm meeting now. We are figuring out a

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Speaker 10: way to propose a way to get Joe Burrow, and

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Speaker 10: I don't necessarily care what it takes.

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Speaker 7: Neither would I, And I'm Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 4: Is okay, We're good at that point. So here's my thing, Austin,

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Speaker 4: Like I get the initial part of Orlovsky's conversation, what

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Speaker 4: I disagree with is if one the Bengals would never

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Speaker 4: no matter what the Steelers sent, they would never move

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Speaker 4: Joe Burrow in the division. They would never move Joe

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Speaker 4: Burrow at all. But if Joe Burrow is not happy

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Speaker 4: with the trajectory of the organization right now and is

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Speaker 4: worried about football mortality and all these other things, do

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Speaker 4: you think that going to the Jets or the Raiders

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Speaker 4: would make him happy.

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Speaker 5: Those are two of the worst teams right now in

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Speaker 5: the NFL. The Bengals are so much better run and

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Speaker 5: either of those two franchises. It's not even those three

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Speaker 5: teams to me are outlandish. Yes, I think I think

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Speaker 5: the Bengals are a better run franchise than the Pittsburgh

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Speaker 5: Steelers too, by the way, Yeah, I mean just the

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Speaker 5: results of the last fifteen years will pretty much tell

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Speaker 5: you that. Like, I don't. I thought that was a

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Speaker 5: misinformed and foolish take by Dan Orlovski. And I never

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Speaker 5: say that about him, which that's the only thing that

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Speaker 5: concerns me. I don't.

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Speaker 4: He's so plugged in, and he's so smart with so

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Speaker 4: much of what he says.

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Speaker 5: I don't think. I don't believe him when he says

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Speaker 5: that Joe Burrow is obviously in a bad place with

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Speaker 5: this organization.

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Speaker 4: Why say obviously then if you don't know anything exactly.

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Speaker 5: That's what I don't agree with. What have what? What has

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Speaker 5: Joe Burrow done to make it obvious? Well, we're not

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Speaker 5: going to yesterday. Those guys would know more than we do. Maybe,

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Speaker 5: but like, if you're using obviously, then you're putting it

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Speaker 5: out there that clearly everyone sees this. I don't see

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Speaker 5: it that way. Joe had a bad press conference yesterday.

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Speaker 5: That doesn't mean that he's obviously unhappy or in a

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Speaker 5: bad place with the organization. I do think he likes

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Speaker 5: Zach Taylor. I think he has a good relationship with

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Speaker 5: Zach Taylor. I don't know that that means Zach Taylor's

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Speaker 5: going to be the head coach moving forward. Well, let

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Speaker 5: me ask you one thing on that. I like Wes

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Speaker 5: Miller a lot. M Does that mean Wes Miller should

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Speaker 5: be the coach? No, but Wes Killer Joan likes Joe.

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Speaker 5: If Joe Burrow likes Zach Taylor, that's one thing. Sure.

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Speaker 4: Does Joe think they can win a Super Bowl with

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Speaker 4: Zach Taylor's what? I think the ultimate question would be, yeah.

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Speaker 5: I would love to know the answer to that, But

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Speaker 5: clearly there is something about those two that have worked

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Speaker 5: for Joe's career. Joe is developed into one of the

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Speaker 5: best quarterbacks, if not the best, in the National Football League,

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Speaker 5: So there's something there. Wes Miller has done nothing. Do

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Speaker 5: you think that's handing him with zachary Y.

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Speaker 7: Why?

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Speaker 5: I'm sure that's a large part of it. But we

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Speaker 5: can't just ignore quarterback coaches quarterback and coach relationships. We

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Speaker 5: can't pick and choose when we know add guys to

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Speaker 5: that equation. We talk about Mahomes. Mahomes is great, right,

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Speaker 5: But what do you always talk about Andy Reid as well?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I mean, and that's where we're different because I've never

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Speaker 4: been on that with Zach Taylor.

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Speaker 5: I've never said, you know, nobody's ever said that Zach

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Speaker 5: Taylor is in the same conversation as Andy Reid. But like, clearly,

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Speaker 5: based off of the performance that he put together last

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Speaker 5: season and the way that they have found ways to

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Speaker 5: win in the past, there is a relationship that works there. Now,

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Speaker 5: does Joe agree with some of the decisions Zach has made,

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Speaker 5: like firing lou Ana Rumo, like hiring certain coaches? Is

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Speaker 5: Joe probably tired of the Trey Hendrickson situation and ownership? Sure,

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Speaker 5: I'm sure there are plenty of things to be upset about.

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Speaker 5: We are all upset about them every day we talk

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Speaker 5: about him. But I don't know that we should be

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Speaker 5: so dismissive of Zach Taylor and that he's the problem.

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Speaker 5: I'm not saying he's perfect, I'm not saying he's not

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Speaker 5: without blame. He certainly deserves a lot of it. Hell,

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Speaker 5: I've called for him to be fired earlier this year.

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Speaker 5: But I don't know that it's like, oh, this is

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Speaker 5: all Zach Taylor's fault. No, I don't think all. And

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Speaker 5: I think Zach's a great guy. I don't know if

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Speaker 5: that relationship and we talk about that, we don't know

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Speaker 5: anything about that relationship, right.

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Speaker 4: And we don't know anything about how Daniel said obviously,

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Speaker 4: So you can't. You can't on one hand assume and say,

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Speaker 4: well that's assuming Orlowsky says that, but then also say

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Speaker 4: that Burrow and Zach Taylor have a perfect relationship behind

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Speaker 4: closed doors.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: No, there's no such thing as a perfect.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's no quarterback that's ever going to come out

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Speaker 4: nationally in bash. Sure their guy. No matter what I

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Speaker 4: thought of Brian Kelly, I was never going to come

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Speaker 4: out in the media session in bash him say everything's great.

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Speaker 5: Also, we've seen Joe at times in the past go

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Speaker 5: out of his way to compliment.

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Speaker 4: And we've seen frustration during games towards that.

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Speaker 5: That's what happens.

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Speaker 4: So the game, there's a lot we have to take

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Speaker 4: a break because we are desperately late. We'll get back

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Speaker 4: on the clock. Your phone calls are absolutely welcome today

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Speaker 4: to weigh in on this conversation. I think it's a

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Speaker 4: fantastic conversation. It's fascinating to me from a very calculated quarterback.

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Speaker 4: More national takes that are going to continue to happen.

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Speaker 4: We'll get John Shearon's take on it as well. All

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Speaker 4: going forward, since he three to sixty ESPN fifteen thirty

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Speaker 4: and then we will get to some of your phone

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Speaker 4: calls on this conversation as well. Let's close it out

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Speaker 4: with this, Austin. I know what we played on what

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Speaker 4: Dan Orlovsky had to say on sportsman Like Today, but

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Speaker 4: this was a clip on ESPN's Get Up earlier this morning.

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Speaker 4: This is Adam Schefter again, think what you want. I

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Speaker 4: think Adam Schefter is a pretty plugged in guy around

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Speaker 4: the National Football League when it comes to the happenings

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Speaker 4: and the ins and outs. This is Adam Schefter and

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Speaker 4: a little dan Orlovsky to round out what they had

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Speaker 4: to say about Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 5: Maybe maybe see if it'll work.

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Speaker 7: Chefty, What did you take away from that? A lot.

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Speaker 15: That's a contemplative, reflective, thoughtful Joe Burrow, who still is

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Speaker 15: processing where he's at this season and how he wants

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Speaker 15: to proceed. The courter is, if I want to keep

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Speaker 15: doing this, I have to have fun doing that. If

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Speaker 15: you're raising that question at the end of the year,

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Speaker 15: then there is a major issue going on in his

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Speaker 15: mind and with that organization. And if we look at

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Speaker 15: the punishment that he's taken over the years, it rivals

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Speaker 15: that of just about any quarterback. He's been pummeled. I

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Speaker 15: would think he probably hasn't felt supported. The offensive line

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Speaker 15: has not protected him, the defense has failed him, the

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Speaker 15: personnel has not been good around him. And it is

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Speaker 15: within Joe Burrow's right to say and do whatever he wants.

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Speaker 15: He will have a huge say in whether he wants

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Speaker 15: to keep playing, whether he wants to keep playing in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 15: I can tell you this. There are other teams around

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Speaker 15: the league that took notice of that yesterday. So we're

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Speaker 15: talking about all the Sharks circling around the Michigan football players.

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Speaker 15: I can tell you this, all these teams around the

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Speaker 15: league are paying attention to what Joe Burrow said yesterday.

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Speaker 10: It's the beginning of the end for Joe Burrow in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 4: Okay, that's the organization or actually just goes on to

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Speaker 4: list the teams again that he talked about. I think

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Speaker 4: some is true, some is not. I think this team

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Speaker 4: has listened to Joe Burrow. They signed Jamar Chase and

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Speaker 4: T Higgins, and I think they have taken a very

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Speaker 4: positive step on the offensive line. I think the conversation

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Speaker 4: that the personnel and the defense around him has not

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Speaker 4: been good enough. And I think Austin ech goes handing

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Speaker 4: him with things we've talked about all year about Duke

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Speaker 4: Tobin and how this team has put together and what

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Speaker 4: they're doing on the defensive side of the ball. I

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Speaker 4: do think the Bengals have been supportive of Joe, but

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Speaker 4: I do agree with Schefty that when he talks, it's contemplative,

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Speaker 4: it's thoughtful, and in my opinion, it's for a reason

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Speaker 4: when he says those things.

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Speaker 5: Adam Schefter very rarely has been right when he's reported

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Speaker 5: about the Bengals. He is a lot of Bengals fans

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Speaker 5: don't like Schefter because it seems like that's one of

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Speaker 5: the teams where he's never been really dug in and

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Speaker 5: is able to get much out of. So me personally,

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Speaker 5: I don't put a ton of weight into what Schefter

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Speaker 5: says about the Bengals, but I think it's fair to

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Speaker 5: come to that conclusion based off of what you said.

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Speaker 5: I don't think any of these thoughts are other than

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Speaker 5: Orlovsky dropping those three teams. I don't think any of

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Speaker 5: those thoughts are unfair, just based off what you saw

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Speaker 5: and what we've seen in the past. I totally get

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Speaker 5: how you can get to that point. I would push

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Speaker 5: back on not feeling supported to your point. They just

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Speaker 5: did everything that they've asked him to do. They fixed

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Speaker 5: the offensive line, they kept Trey Hendrickson, they got Higgins,

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Speaker 5: they got Gasicki, they got Chase. They've invested heavily in

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Speaker 5: the offensive line. They have failed on the defense. And

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Speaker 5: his injuries that I've outlined in the past, most of

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Speaker 5: them are just bad luck. The knee injury his rookie

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Speaker 5: year was because of how bad the offensive line was.

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Speaker 5: The tow injury this year I think was bad luck.

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Speaker 5: The calf string can happen to anybody. Victor wimbinin Win,

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Speaker 5: Ben Yamas missed twenty games or whatever it is because

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Speaker 5: of a calf string happens all the time. Appendec to me,

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Speaker 5: Marvin Harrison Junior just did the same thing. The injuries

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Speaker 5: that he have suffered has suffered to me, have not

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Speaker 5: been because oh the offensive line or because the organization

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Speaker 5: hasn't supported him. It's been bad luck more than anything else. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: this all coincides. Twenty twenty six is Zach Taylor's contract

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Speaker 5: a year. There's a lot of speculation and conversation around

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Speaker 5: Zach Taylor that has come up because of Joe Burrow's comments.

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Speaker 5: All stuff that we'll get to when we come back

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Speaker 5: a moment or two for your phone calls and your

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Speaker 5: reaction to what we heard from Joe Burrow yesterday. That

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Speaker 5: will take us to John Sharon from Adzy Sports starting

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Speaker 5: at one o'clock right here on ESPN fifteen thirty cent

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Speaker 4: All right, we'll take that as our wind Scheweler's call

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Speaker 4: to night. Thanks to all friends at Winds Shulers. Their

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Speaker 4: four fantastic chief spreads make it a must for your

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Speaker 4: next holiday get together.

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Speaker 5: Let's grab a cup.

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Speaker 4: The phone calls before we break and get to John

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Speaker 4: Cheer and Chad is calling in right now.

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Speaker 5: Hi, Chad, I.

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Speaker 7: Think he made a click point.

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Speaker 11: Joe Burd doesn't say nothing less calculated. I don't think

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Speaker 11: he's going anywhere, but I do think he hit the saying,

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Speaker 11: as you know that he wants chance made. The thing

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Speaker 11: I wanted to bring up is something you brought up

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Speaker 11: that he said, what was this offensive line finished at

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Speaker 11: the end of this year? Probably what twenty fourth, maybe

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Speaker 11: twenty six and something that range about?

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Speaker 7: Is that right?

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Speaker 3: Probably in that range, yeah, somewhere around there.

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Speaker 7: Him saying that, So he was saying, this is the best.

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Speaker 11: Offensive line he had, And I think that's the Teles

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Speaker 11: goal right there, that the best that he could give

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Speaker 11: is in the bottom quarter of the league in stats

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Speaker 11: for an offensive line.

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Speaker 7: I think that's the lot of the problem.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a very fair conversation, Chad, Thank you for

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Speaker 4: calling in. I do I think their sincerity though when

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Speaker 4: he talks about the old line this year. Now, I

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Speaker 4: also understand that the bar was not set very high

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Speaker 4: in any of the previous years. So to say this

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Speaker 4: is the best offensive line. That can mean yes, it

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Speaker 4: is the best old line, but they still need to

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Speaker 4: take strides to get better. I think both of those

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Speaker 4: things can absolutely be true. Brian, what's going on?

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Speaker 9: Oh?

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Speaker 16: Not too much? How are you doing, Tony?

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Speaker 7: How you doing Austin?

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Speaker 5: Good?

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Speaker 7: Good?

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Speaker 16: So I listened to the interview. My my feeling is

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Speaker 16: an organization is that they need to just sit down

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Speaker 16: with Joe and not not with not with do, not

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Speaker 16: with anybody ownership and Joe because he's the key to

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Speaker 16: our success. If I had a salesperson or someone that

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Speaker 16: my whole business success was because of him, I'm like,

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Speaker 16: what do we we do first off to make you

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Speaker 16: happy at work? Because this really we need them.

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Speaker 7: We need Joe.

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Speaker 16: He's gonna wear super Bowl with someone I want.

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Speaker 7: To do the banguage very very badly.

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Speaker 16: And they just have to, you know, also own up

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Speaker 16: to your mistakes. An organization, like the drafting, has to

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Speaker 16: get better. They have to have a plan about what

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Speaker 16: do we need to do differently to make Joe happy?

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Speaker 16: Because if Joe's happy, that means we're winning. If we're winning,

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Speaker 16: that means everybody's happy. And I just think it really

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Speaker 16: has to be a very high level conversation with Joe

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Speaker 16: because you know it might not been a sign to intentional,

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Speaker 16: but it absolutely should be a necessary heard loud and

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Speaker 16: clear by the front office of the organization.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Brian, thank you for the phone call. I agree,

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Speaker 4: I if anything, and again, whether you take this as

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Speaker 4: more of of kind of how Austin sees that which

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Speaker 4: I can see or how I see it, regardless of

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Speaker 4: how you take it. As an organization, your goal should

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Speaker 4: always be trying to make everything better. Your goal should

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Speaker 4: always trying to be building around your quarterback, and especially

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Speaker 4: a quarterback at the level of what Joe Burrow is.

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Speaker 4: So again, I think that's the way you know, Austin

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Speaker 4: uses the phrase oftentimes the constant pursuit of a championship.

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Speaker 4: If you're not trying to win a championship, then what's

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Speaker 4: the point, especially when you do have a quarterback like

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Speaker 4: Joe Burrow. So no, do I think the team should

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Speaker 4: have to be nudged in a certain way. No, that

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Speaker 4: should already be the model. But if Joe Burrow's comments

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Speaker 4: do nudge them in a direction that pays off, then good,

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Speaker 4: then then things work out even better.

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Speaker 5: Whether or not the way you see it is true,

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Speaker 5: or the way I see it as true. If the

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Speaker 5: outcome is that the people in charge have a better

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Speaker 5: understanding of what their quarterback is going through and how

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Speaker 5: to fix it, that's the ultimate goal.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, so if you sit down with Joe Burrow, great,

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Speaker 4: do that and do it separative Zach Taylor, do it

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Speaker 4: separative of Duketobin Say, Okay, that's just us talking. You

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Speaker 4: tell us what you think. No one else is in

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Speaker 4: the room, and and go from there. And I'm sure

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Speaker 4: that happens. And I also would like to say to Joe,

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Speaker 4: I appreciate that transparency. I appreciate him being upfront about

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Speaker 4: that and about how he's feeling. Doesn't have to do that,

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Speaker 4: and the reaction to it might lead to him never

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Speaker 4: doing it again because of the way that this is

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Speaker 4: being talked about. Well, did We'll get John Sharon's take

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Speaker 4: What's up John?

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Speaker 9: Just trying to have some fun, guys, Yeah, have some fun.

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Speaker 5: I think we all are at this point. John.

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Speaker 4: I want your opinion. Austin and I are on a

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Speaker 4: little bit different side of the fence here. From Joe

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Speaker 4: burrows comments yesterday, Austin viewed and rightfully so, guys having

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Speaker 4: a bad day. It just kind of came through during

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Speaker 4: a press conference. I viewed it as Joe Burrow. It's calculated.

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Speaker 4: It's Joe Burrow sending a message. When you watched and

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Speaker 4: listened to that yesterday, what were your big takeaways from

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Speaker 4: what Joe Burrow said?

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Speaker 12: So?

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Speaker 1: I take Burrow at his word, because, like you said,

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Speaker 1: he's very calculating.

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Speaker 9: What he says, but he's also very honest in what he.

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Speaker 1: Says, and I think when that kind of combines in itself,

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Speaker 1: she sometimes get soundbites like that where it's beyond just

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Speaker 1: what a football cliche answer would be. But when he

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Speaker 1: says that there's a lot that's going on in his

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Speaker 1: mind right now, I believe it. And I think all

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Speaker 1: of that entails coming back from injury, coming back to

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Speaker 1: a team that's not good enough to.

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Speaker 9: Go to the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: But also there's there's personal ownership with being off the

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Speaker 1: field and you know, not being there when the team

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Speaker 1: was obviously losing. And there's also just how this is

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Speaker 1: all just compounding into you know, another injury that he

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Speaker 1: has to come and the trials and tribulations of coming

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Speaker 1: back during the middle of the season, which he's never

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Speaker 1: really done before. I think all of that was playing

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Speaker 1: into his mind when he was talking yesterday. And he's

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Speaker 1: not just gonna, you know, high behind a fake smile,

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Speaker 1: because it's not the authentic person that he is. I

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Speaker 1: think there is a lot that's going on in his

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Speaker 1: mind beyond just you know, coming off of a loss,

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Speaker 1: his first loss and over a year when he's actually

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Speaker 1: played in a game and all that kind of came

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Speaker 1: out in a way that like it's still like Burrow.

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Speaker 1: He's still very calm, cool and collected, but you can

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Speaker 1: tell when he's feeling certain emotions beyond just you know,

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Speaker 1: what's going on in his personal life. It shows, and yeah,

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Speaker 1: I do think it was It can be construed as

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Speaker 1: some type of a message about where the team is

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Speaker 1: and where he feels like his place with the team is.

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Speaker 1: But it is tough to really pinpoint the exact things

872
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:56,919
Speaker 1: of what's going on on. We just have to take

873
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 1: his word for it that there are a lot of

874
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: things that he's thinking about and most of them probably

875
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: aren't good.

876
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 4: We also heard him he did compliment his offensive line yesterday.

877
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 4: It's something we've talked about this week. When you look

878
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 4: at the steps that this offensive line has made with

879
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 4: a lot of negative going around what this season has been,

880
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 4: I think you can pinpoint where they've gone on the

881
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 4: offensive line and the steps they've taken as one of

882
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:18,399
Speaker 4: the positives from this season so far.

883
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: You know, it's good that Dalton riisener with enough practice

884
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: and you know, acclamation within the offense is the type

885
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: of player that you hope that he would be and

886
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: why he was probably smart for them to go out

887
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 1: and sign him a lot earlier than they should. But

888
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 1: the best five are out there right now and they

889
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: all fit the position that they're playing, which is the best.

890
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 1: You know, it's what you dream of when you're when

891
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: you're composing the quality offensive line, and that was the

892
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: hope when they drafted a guy like Dylan Fairchild who

893
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: had the upside to potentially be this player. I don't

894
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,959
Speaker 1: think we expected him to be this good this soon,

895
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: but that's certainly a welcome surprise, the fact that Marius

896
00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 1: Looms again is not doing anything spectacularly special out there now.

897
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: There is a is a Lerna Brown, but we know

898
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,760
Speaker 1: that within this offense, with how Burrow likes to play

899
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 1: and his ability to evade pressure from the outside, you

900
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 1: know that you don't need, you know, spectacular play from

901
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 1: your tackles. You just need a stout in tier offensive line.

902
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: And that's what Burrow is getting now. And that's why

903
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 1: you know he has the time to sit in the pocket,

904
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: survey the field, make the throws. But when he does

905
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: need to create a structure, he does have this space

906
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: to step up it just like that throwing a microsection

907
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 1: for that touchdown like that was that was perfectly executed

908
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: from what do you want from a quarterback who knows

909
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: how to create a structure and an offense len to

910
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: get in the space to do that.

911
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 5: Let's stick with the offensive side of the ball here.

912
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 5: John T.

913
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 4: Higgins self diagnoses after the game concussion symptoms. Been in

914
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 4: concussion protocol again, but I thought a step forward when

915
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 4: he was taking part in individual individual drills this week.

916
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 4: Were you surprised to hear Zach Taylor say he would

917
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 4: take part in some practice and do you foresee him

918
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 4: playing at all on Sunday.

919
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 1: I think it's possible considering the fact that he is practicing,

920
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: but it's tough for me to gauge like how and

921
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 1: where he is in the protocol right now, considering like

922
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: there's a lot that we don't know about the concussion

923
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: protocol and we don't even know if he officially suffered

924
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 1: a second concussion against the Bills. He reported symptoms and

925
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: that's why he's in the protocol and that's why he's

926
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: not a full participant out there. But it would be

927
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: shocking if he were to have suffered a concussion for

928
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: the second time in fourteen days. It would be shocking

929
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 1: for him to play the very next week after that

930
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: because he did miss He did have to miss, you know,

931
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,399
Speaker 1: a full two weeks before coming back on the field

932
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: for the first time. And you never want to hear

933
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 1: about a player suffering multiple concussions in such a short

934
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: period of time. You know that the Giants obviously had

935
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 1: to deal with that with Jackson Dart this year and

936
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: all the rip percussions that you came with that. So, yeah,

937
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: there's stuff that we don't know about, you know, what

938
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 1: the exact diagnosis was. But you know, fortunately if he

939
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: is practicing, it doesn't mean that you know, potentially they

940
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,879
Speaker 1: were minor symptoms, but he could be able to go out.

941
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 9: But we just unfortunately don't really know. We just have

942
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 9: to trust the doctions of this one.

943
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 5: Now that the playoffs are highly unlikely to happen, We've

944
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,280
Speaker 5: talked a lot about like the development of the Bengals defense.

945
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 5: What on offense are questions you have that need to

946
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 5: be answered going into the offseason.

947
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: On offense, I want to see, I still want to see,

948
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 1: like how andre Yosavash continues to evolve in his role,

949
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: because I think that's an underrated need with this offense,

950
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 1: particularly with that position, if they do need to go

951
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 1: back to more of a true slot receiver and how

952
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: it works within the offense, or if Yoh can continue

953
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 1: taking those steps as a versatile player in that particular position.

954
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 9: I think, again, with the offensive.

955
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: Line, you pretty much know who you have there now,

956
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:50,280
Speaker 1: and there's definite questions about depth to tackle and potentially

957
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: a long term replacement for in orlanda Brown junior.

958
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 9: But in terms of what we.

959
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,720
Speaker 1: Need to see there, like, I think, continuing to show

960
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: signs of progress and positivity there I think is all

961
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: that is needed. And then with a tight end, it's just

962
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: you know, the no Fan I think has been a

963
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 1: fine player for what they expected him to be. Mikah

964
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: Seki's returning to his role, so it looks fine. I

965
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: think the offense in general looks to being a really

966
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: good spot. It's just about are they still in need

967
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: of that true number three receiver? Is you actually fine

968
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 1: for that role? How much more can they get out

969
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 1: of him there? How much more can you grow there?

970
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: And how much more can they continue to build this

971
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: run game with Burrow back.

972
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:28,879
Speaker 9: I think those are the main.

973
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 5: Questions defensively, it is.

974
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 4: It's been a lot on the defensive line this year

975
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 4: based on injuries and availability. We get a little bit

976
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 4: clearer picture of that this week. Trey Hendrickson is going

977
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 4: to have surgery. Now he's on IR. We do get

978
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 4: the return of Shamar Stewart. What do you make about

979
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 4: the defensive line, the defensive end position in general. What

980
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 4: are you expecting to see from Shamar Stewart and your

981
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 4: thoughts on Trey Hendrickson.

982
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, with Trey, I mean, I don't I don't blame

983
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 1: him at all for the for the path that he's taken. Clearly,

984
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: if an injury that needed a lot more time than

985
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 1: what the Bengals expected, because if they knew from the beginning,

986
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,919
Speaker 1: he would have been placed in IR a long time ago.

987
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 9: And it just happens to be something that he.

988
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,439
Speaker 1: Can't necessarily push through and play anywhere near one hundred percent.

989
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 1: So he's taking, you know, the proper precautions to just

990
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: make sure that he's fully healthy for when the offseason

991
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: comes around and he needs to take that physical for

992
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: whatever contract he may sign. So it makes sense for

993
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: him to do that, and it makes sense for the

994
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 1: Bengals to move forward with the guys that have played

995
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,280
Speaker 1: and developed over the past handful of you know, several

996
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 1: weeks with him being out. Specifically, you're getting a lot

997
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 1: of progress from Miles Murphy, who's going to continue to

998
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: start just besides still probably your best edge edge Russia in.

999
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,879
Speaker 9: Terms of pass rushing. And with Shamar, I don't really

1000
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 9: know what.

1001
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: To expect out of him, considering the fact that he

1002
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 1: wasn't really taking those steps before he got injured and

1003
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: now he's doing He's coming off with his second injury

1004
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 1: in just one year. He's only played five games this year,

1005
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 1: so it's it's not with Stewart like I just don't

1006
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: expect to see very much in these final four weeks

1007
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: other than very minor flashes here and there, just because

1008
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: that was the player who he was before he got injured,

1009
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: and surely being up the field and having to rehab

1010
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: with the past four he doesn't really help that.

1011
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 4: The Zach Taylor question, it's quieted a little bit because

1012
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 4: this team has found a way to win some games,

1013
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 4: But when you look at twenty twenty six and finishing

1014
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 4: out the contract, do you envision any type of the

1015
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 4: scenario down the stretch where it does get uneasy as

1016
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 4: far as Zach Taylor coming back next year, do you

1017
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 4: believe that he is in place in twenty twenty six

1018
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 4: for sure?

1019
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say for sure. I do think that this

1020
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: team specifically looks at the entire season, in the entire year,

1021
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: and it's full and won all the pieces of evidence before.

1022
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 9: Making a decision like that.

1023
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: That's how it was with Marvin Lewis, Like we saw

1024
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 1: there as a handful of times in which we thought

1025
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: they could have been the end, and just how the

1026
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 1: team finishes and how they rally like that is part

1027
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: of the equation. It's the dead cat bounced that people

1028
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: really do fear, but it typically happens more times than not.

1029
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: And with Zach it's a matter of how attached he

1030
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 1: is to Al Golden obviously the guy that was brought

1031
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: in to fix everything and to make that side of

1032
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: the ball more salgeable. Clearly, the first thirteen games haven't

1033
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: been enough. Are the final four games going to be enough?

1034
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: Is he going to be committed to making sure that

1035
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: this works with his defensive coordinator or is that going

1036
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 1: to be the thing that ultimately means that his time

1037
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 1: here is done because they need significant change on that.

1038
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 9: Side of the ball.

1039
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: Are they able to continue to fight over these final

1040
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 1: four games against albeit you know, teams that are getting better,

1041
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: like the Browns are getting better with Shadar, the Dolphins

1042
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: are winning a lot before often now like those games

1043
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 1: aren't as easy as they may have looked earlier on

1044
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: the season in the schedule, So it's not going to

1045
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: be I think it's easy of final four games as

1046
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: people may think, despite the fact that they may be favored.

1047
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: So how they fight and how they push through some

1048
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: of these games and pull off some of these wins,

1049
00:53:58,320 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 1: if that were to happen, I think that's going to

1050
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 1: play large factor into whether or not Zach Sale was

1051
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 1: around here.

1052
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,240
Speaker 5: Tony and I were talking earlier is somebody had written

1053
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 5: this week that they felt like the Bengals young linebackers

1054
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 5: had taken a bit of a step forward, that they

1055
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 5: had developed a little bit more. Do you think they

1056
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 5: have shown progress that they've actually developed and do you

1057
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,879
Speaker 5: think that there's a chance the Bengals dip right back

1058
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 5: into that position this offseason to try to fix that

1059
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 5: position group.

1060
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: I think their progress is very very difficult to see.

1061
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: It could be in very small ways in terms of

1062
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: like just reading keys as run defenders and wrapping up

1063
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: when they're actually have the chance to make a tackle.

1064
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:43,439
Speaker 1: But I think their weaknesses whereas playing in space, being

1065
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 1: aware when the quarterback is on the moved, being aware

1066
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 1: of some of these rock combinations in front of them,

1067
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 1: that is a lot more easier to see. And because

1068
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: it's been such a clearing weakness, it really does you know,

1069
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 1: control or just it's what you think about more often

1070
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: when you think about these guys Demetris Nine, Breck Carter,

1071
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: and their weaknesses are just way more apparent than.

1072
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:05,760
Speaker 9: Any progress that made in terms of their strengths.

1073
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 1: So I don't think it's a completely inaccurate statement, but

1074
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 1: I don't think there's been enough progress to be like,

1075
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: oh yeah, we just need to continue relying on the

1076
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: development of these guys and let them continue growing. Like

1077
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: it's still arguably the biggest weakness of the worst defense

1078
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: in the NFL, and that can't be ignored, and it

1079
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 1: should be a factor into whether or not if they

1080
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,800
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to add players there to upgrade that spot.

1081
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 1: It needs to be taken very seriously because at the

1082
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: end of the day, Barret Carter is the fourth round

1083
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 1: picking on expecting that guy to be a starter.

1084
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 9: Immediately as a rookie.

1085
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:36,839
Speaker 1: Demeter's like, yeah, he was drafted to be a starter,

1086
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: but if you have to move on from him and

1087
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: make him just linebacker three entering year two, I think

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Speaker 1: it's far worse scenarios and far more, far less you know,

1089
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Speaker 1: damaging outcomes than that.

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Speaker 4: John lem Me ask when it comes to this game

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Speaker 4: on Sunday, the difficulties in playing a team twice in

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Speaker 4: sixteen days, and then that team also being an AFC

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Speaker 4: North opponent, You're not going to surprise anyone. You know

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Speaker 4: who the opponent is, you know what the scheme is.

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Speaker 4: What does a game like this Sunday come down to?

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Speaker 1: In your opinion, it works both ways because the Ravens

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00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: know that who Burrow is and what he's capable of,

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Speaker 1: and the fact that he's been able to don him

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00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: up a pass handful of times that they played him.

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Speaker 1: So they know that the Ravens are gonna have to

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Speaker 1: score a lot of points in this game to compete.

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Speaker 1: And as for the Bengals and and their defense, they

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Speaker 1: know that Lamar can still cause you know a lot

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Speaker 1: of chaos and his creative ability and his you know,

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00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 1: out of structure ability and throwing the ball to Mark

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00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: Andrews down the field. Like I think, the strengths and

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00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:35,399
Speaker 1: weaknesses both teams are just going to be on full

1108
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Speaker 1: display again. Like you said, there's not much that they

1109
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 1: can do to really change that. That was kind of

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Speaker 1: the case a couple of years ago, which you know,

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00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 1: these teams finished the regular season and then they played

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Speaker 1: in the wildcard round against each other. Obviously, there was

1113
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Speaker 1: the quarterback situation going on with Baltimore which they didn't

1114
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Speaker 1: have Lamar Jackson, and that kind of even the playing

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Speaker 1: field out.

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Speaker 9: A little bit more. But Lamar is Lamar is.

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Speaker 1: He is right, and he hasn't been fully healthy for

1118
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Speaker 1: most of the season. He continues to take some time

1119
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:03,320
Speaker 1: off practicing, but you know, when he does have some space,

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Speaker 1: and I think he is going to be a little

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Speaker 1: bit more motivated to take care of the ball this

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Speaker 1: time around. Those are the factors that can potentially kind

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Speaker 1: of tip the scales a little bit, because you're right,

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Speaker 1: there isn't much that you can show.

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Speaker 9: You this is already a divisional matchup.

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Speaker 1: Everyone knows that everyone's tendencies and the fact that there

1127
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: hasn't been a lot of time to really make any

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00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: schematic changes that only weighs into a little bit. More so,

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Speaker 1: it's just about strength and strength and how and how

1130
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:26,919
Speaker 1: much that the Bengals can kind of rely on theirs

1131
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: to pull out the victory.

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Speaker 4: John, when does a gentleman like yourself, maybe it's already happened,

1133
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 4: when do you allow yourself to start diving into mock

1134
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 4: draft season?

1135
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 9: Like late late January?

1136
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 1: Like it's like when I is when I know, like, Okay,

1137
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 1: who do I pay attention to?

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00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 9: Obviously guys have declared at that point.

1139
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Speaker 1: I have not touched the mock drafts so far, and

1140
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 1: I try to go as long as possible without doing so.

1141
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Speaker 5: Are you getting ready for the Liberty Bowl then? Instead?

1142
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 9: Oh that's the thing. Thought I thought we were opted out

1143
00:57:59,560 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 9: of Bulls.

1144
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 4: No, no, no, John, this is you know, a Navy

1145
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 4: attack against Tyson invites three three five defense. It's one

1146
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 4: of the more talked about non college football playoff balls.

1147
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Speaker 5: From my understanding, John, do you think Scott Sanderfield's a

1148
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 5: good fit at Michigan?

1149
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 7: I think so.

1150
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Speaker 9: I mean, I don't know why. I don't know why

1151
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 9: anyone else wouldn't think so. I think I think you

1152
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 9: should go interview.

1153
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 4: Absolutely more excited John as a proud bearcad of lumberre

1154
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 4: you more excited about the Liberty ball or this this

1155
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 4: basketball squad getting back on the court against Georgia Saturday.

1156
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Speaker 9: Oh wow, look at the time, I think.

1157
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Speaker 4: John, you're the man. What's the easiest way to follow

1158
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 4: along with all your coverage of the Bengals.

1159
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 1: It is the sports dot Com Backslash Cincinnati wherever he

1160
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: gets your Instagram, TikTok, YouTube short form content. We're doing

1161
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 1: live streams on YouTube as well every Friday, run midday.

1162
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 9: Check us out there, John, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 16: Man.

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Speaker 5: We'll talk next week. Think he did write a good

1165
00:58:55,960 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 5: piece about Joe Burrow and kind of reacting to the

1166
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,919
Speaker 5: press conference much like we have, and he's a little

1167
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Speaker 5: bit more aligned with your thinking, So go check it out.

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Speaker 4: Eight is the Sports Nice awesome from John. We'll get

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Speaker 4: your thoughts next. Your talkbacks Thursday edition thanks to Sincy

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Speaker 4: Shirts on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 5: Hey Alexa, it's.

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Speaker 18: That time for talkbacks. Press the microphone and record your

1173
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 18: message or Austin and tone.

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00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 5: Please keep it clean and don't be mean, and a

1175
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 5: sprinkle sprinkle drift drift.

1176
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Speaker 9: It's that time for talkbacks.

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Speaker 18: It's our favorite part of since three sixty.

1178
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 5: So Austin, buddy, play those.

1179
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 19: Talkbacks on your screen and please try out to sabotage.

1180
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Speaker 4: All right before we get into talkbacks, some AFC North

1181
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 4: news real quick, Yeah, have you seen this out of Pittsburgh?

1182
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 5: I have TJ.

1183
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 4: Watt is currently at a local hospital for further medical

1184
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 4: evaluation of his lung after experience in discomfort at the

1185
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 4: practice facility ye yesterday, not going to practice today. Status

1186
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Speaker 4: for Monday night's game versus Miami is in question. Coach

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Speaker 4: Tomlin will provide more updates at an appropriate time. Obviously

1188
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Speaker 4: significant for the Pittsburgh Steelers, Obviously significant for the Cincinnati Bengals,

1189
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Speaker 4: who need the Pittsburgh Steelers to want to go one

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Speaker 4: and three down the stretch if they want to.

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Speaker 5: Uh, you know, the Bengals can host a playoff game

1192
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 5: at seven to ten if the Steelers are to lose out. Okay,

1193
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 5: all right, but that's AFSC news by the way, to

1194
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 5: actually echo that with Lamar Jackson, he was put on

1195
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Speaker 5: the on the listed on the injury list yesterday for

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Speaker 5: Baltimore as a rest day, so it said in IR

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Speaker 5: non injury related rest, which would mean that the hamstring

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Speaker 5: and ankle injuries and stuff that have been bothering Lamar

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Speaker 5: are not bothering him anymore. He's just getting a veteran rest. Okay,

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Speaker 5: So something to keep in mind. Hey, man, I'm depressed.

1201
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 7: Man. That Joe Burrow press conference, Man, I was sad.

1202
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Speaker 20: I haven't been this depressed and I haven't felt this

1203
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 20: uneasy since since Austin read Tony's eulogy a couple of

1204
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 20: months ago.

1205
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Speaker 7: Man, this is this is not good man.

1206
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 5: The guy needs some help.

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Speaker 21: I don't know, Tony.

1208
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 16: You think maybe he needs to go.

1209
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 5: Back to his old girlfriend man, the simpler times. Now

1210
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 5: he's with instant models, dressing like a fashion queen. I

1211
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 5: don't know, Vinnie, but thank you for your talk.

1212
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Speaker 7: This is Meg Quimby from the Simpson Checking in yesterday.

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Speaker 7: While I was in my kui, I wasition.

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Speaker 22: To talkbacks and listen to all the outrage about kysh Waba.

1215
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 22: I mean, come on, ready, lay fans, just own a bodcast, Gelini.

1216
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 22: He's tighter than Monty Buns. He's not going to shine

1217
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 22: a prem athlete like kysh Waba. His idea, I said

1218
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 22: in tickets is bab ahead night nostalgia and where else?

1219
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 7: How are you going to go?

1220
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 5: Thank you, Marre. It looks like there's some more Reds drama.

1221
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 5: Well we can save this for hour three. What happened?

1222
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 5: But apparently the world I've never been on life television before.

1223
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 5: Apparently the World Baseball Classic and the Reds have deleted

1224
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 5: their social media posts about Ellie de la Cruz playing

1225
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 5: for the Dominican Republic in the World Baseball Class. Oh no,

1226
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 5: there are rumors surfacing that Ellie perhaps did not get

1227
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 5: permission from the Reds to do so. Oh boy, we'll

1228
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 5: be looking into this now.

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Speaker 1: Jermorino, infidelity, infidelity is the thing.

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Speaker 23: You get it like Johnnyman from the ding noted Michigan

1231
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 23: fans infidelity.

1232
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Speaker 7: Do you support infidelity? Johnny min?

1233
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 4: Wow, George, I want to hear from you, George.

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01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 23: That institution up north, you guys are disgusting. There needs

1235
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 23: to be there needs to be a full pledge investigation

1236
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 23: to the whole university because who knows what else is

1237
01:02:58,760 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 23: lying under the shadows.

1238
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 4: I'm confident that we will never hear from George again.

1239
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 21: I'm glad everyone needs to leave Joe alone and just

1240
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 21: stop reading things into facial expressions and tone of voice.

1241
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 7: Who knows what's going on outside of pay Corp.

1242
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 9: The guy's a human being with normal emotions.

1243
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 7: Let's just move on and get ready for Baltimore.

1244
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm good with that. But you know, maybe Joe

1245
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 5: brought this up himself. Maybe he like scuffed his favorite

1246
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 5: sneakers he brought it up. Maybe no, he didn't, he

1247
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 5: was asked a question.

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Speaker 8: So the Bengals get a generational talent at the most

1249
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 8: sought after position in all of sports due to their

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Speaker 8: own ineptitude. That's right, And if they end up breaking

1251
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 8: this guy, then shame on them.

1252
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 7: Shame Burrow.

1253
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Speaker 8: Don't strike me as someone who talks just to be talking,

1254
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:47,760
Speaker 8: so they better be listening up.

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Speaker 4: Bood eh, I just figured out these talkbacks are gonna

1256
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 4: be fun today. Yeah, I love. This is what it's for.

1257
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 4: In everyone's opinion. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

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Speaker 5: I've said it many times before. If the Bengals fail

1259
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 5: Joe Burrow, they will lose scores and scores of fans.

1260
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 5: Maybe more than that, they will lose an entire generation

1261
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 5: of fans.

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Speaker 13: Does the whole Philip Rivers thing scare you guys half

1263
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 13: as much as it does me. I mean, these guys

1264
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 13: have proven that they can't protect guys half his age

1265
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 13: and ten times as mobile. I mean, there's a line

1266
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Speaker 13: of injured quarterbacks going back years here, and this guy

1267
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 13: hasn't even been in the league for five years. I mean,

1268
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Speaker 13: I appreciate the passion, the moxie, the fire, but I mean,

1269
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 13: come on, this could end really badly.

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Speaker 5: I hope both sides have a contingency plan. Here's what

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Speaker 5: I know about Philip Rivers.

1272
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Speaker 4: There ain't a chance that if that pressure gets around him,

1273
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 4: he's holding onto that ball and he's.

1274
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Speaker 5: Made a rubber first of all, I mean never got

1275
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 5: hurt or the ever. I do think that the more

1276
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 5: it there's like a deeper, more interesting conversation. I saw

1277
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 5: Davis Matek right about this the other day. He said,

1278
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 5: the Philip Rivers stuff is so dark for the sport

1279
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 5: of football. The NFL and college football have so neglected

1280
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 5: quarterback development while defensive coverages and schemes have evolved that

1281
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 5: a fat grandpa is a better option than any team's

1282
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 5: QB three if his body is even close to up

1283
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 5: to speed. And I agree with the Colts that is

1284
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 5: probably the right football move. And I hate that the

1285
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 5: average young quarterback looks at a twenty twenty five NFL

1286
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 5: defense and has no clue what they are seeing. Tom

1287
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 5: Brady has been harping about this for years. I do

1288
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:26,439
Speaker 5: think there's something there.

1289
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 18: Hello, this is former President Ronald Reagan. And well, what

1290
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 18: we are witnessing with Joe Burrow are signs of him

1291
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 18: starting to crack under the pressure of the constant Bengal

1292
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 18: boarding that he's been subjected to ever since he got here.

1293
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 18: Oh and do you want a juicy rumor. I was

1294
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 18: just at the library and I overheard Brian Kelly in

1295
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 18: a room working on his Michigan accident. Well, now it's

1296
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 18: off to check the gas levels and snowplow one.

1297
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 5: What would that look like?

1298
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 4: I saw another name on the last throw a party

1299
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:02,919
Speaker 4: if Brian Kelly was hired by. Saw another name that's

1300
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:05,919
Speaker 4: brought up here locally a lot. Joe Brady six to one.

1301
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 5: I heard that too. I heard that a little bit

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Speaker 5: this morning.

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Speaker 24: Tony in Austin bullwinkled g mooth. Given the state of

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01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 24: football in Cincinnati, we here at the Home for Aging

1305
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:22,760
Speaker 24: Cartoon voiceover actors have reached consensus describing our disdain and Austin.

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01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:28,560
Speaker 24: It's an acronym make underachieving football teams, under coaching, knuckleheads,

1307
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 24: eat rauh shrimp, Thank you and always remember love each other.

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01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you, and.

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01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 25: Tony in Austin. With Joe Burrow's future being un certain,

1310
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 25: maybe we should just start collecting the forty year old

1311
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 25: plus quarterbacks like infinity stones between Thorpe Rivers, Aaron Rodgers

1312
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 25: and Joe Flacco.

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01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 5: We'd have one hundred and twenty years of experience. Dang,

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01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 5: a lot of experience.

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Speaker 7: Hey, guys, Ron Wisconsin.

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01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 11: Hey, I think think Joe Burrow is just suffering PTSD

1317
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 11: like the rest of his post traumatic Schwarber depression.

1318
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 5: Hopefully this is the shot across the bow.

1319
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 11: Of Mike Brown and Katie Blackburn.

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Speaker 7: To actually make changes.

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01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 12: Let's start with dup to you guys, have a great day.

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01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 7: Thanks.

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01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 5: Okay, how about that?

1324
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 26: What's up, guys, what Joe Burrow is suffering from is

1325
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 26: a moment of reflection. You get to a point in

1326
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 26: your life where you reflect on things, where you've been,

1327
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:36,920
Speaker 26: where you're going, and which you need to go further.

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01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 26: And I think he just knows that it's a systematic

1329
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 26: failure of the organization to the point that they are

1330
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 26: now his past injuries and just everything, and he's tired

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01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 26: of it.

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Speaker 7: MO out.

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01:07:55,680 --> 01:08:02,000
Speaker 27: dB Dave here, Austin, I think you're one hundred percent right.

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01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 27: Everyone has had the birthday blues at one point in

1335
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 27: their life.

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01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 7: I get that.

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01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 27: With that being said, Al Golden is still not off

1338
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 27: the hook, nor.

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01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 5: Should he be.

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01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:21,720
Speaker 28: Joe Burrow, happy belated birthday. Hey, we appreciate all you

1341
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 28: do for us. We'd be lost without you. And say

1342
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:31,559
Speaker 28: in Cincinnati for me, the blue collar fans that bleed

1343
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:36,600
Speaker 28: black and orange, we love you, Joe. Everybody try to

1344
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 28: give a little bit more, take a little less.

1345
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 5: There we go. Man. Love that damn that got me

1346
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 5: misty eyes. Love that.

1347
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 20: I know one thing the Bengals would never trade Joe Burrow.

1348
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 20: I don't care what anyone says. They never would talk

1349
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 20: about losing a fan base. I agree with Austin. I

1350
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 20: just think the dude was having a bad day on

1351
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:56,919
Speaker 20: his birthday.

1352
01:08:57,400 --> 01:09:02,760
Speaker 29: Who Day, German Burton, McKinley, Jackson, DJ Viter.

1353
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:09,519
Speaker 19: Red Robins, DJIV, Gordonell, Wolfson, Jackson, Carman, Cameron, Sam Tyler, Shelvin,

1354
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 19: Jon Lee's Man Tyson Hampson, Klee.

1355
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:14,759
Speaker 28: Mariene Trade now Jermaine Burden again.

1356
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:17,719
Speaker 20: The brown pam Lee should be fired.

1357
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 25: Burrough's career has been turning, and Duke Tobin's not learning.

1358
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 20: The brown pam Lee should be fired.

1359
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 3: We have a good at QB.

1360
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 30: Bubber Waist.

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01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:33,880
Speaker 5: Well done. You like, what if Burrow had like just

1362
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 5: come out of the bathroom and Duke Tobin was in

1363
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 5: there blowing it up and didn't have a courtesy flush.

1364
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 5: That would make me mad. That would irritate me.

1365
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 21: Sure, Good afternoon, guys. I think Gostin's and nail on

1366
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 21: the head. I think jod has had an off day.

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01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 21: These young people today and they have a birthday, it's like,

1368
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:54,680
Speaker 21: you know, they needed to contemplate everything happened back in

1369
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:57,320
Speaker 21: the day when I turned twenty nine, which was wow,

1370
01:09:57,600 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 21: oh almost thirty years ago.

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01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 7: It was no big deal.

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01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 18: It was another day.

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01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:05,680
Speaker 7: Maybe Joe he's putting too much on it. You know,

1374
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 7: he's facing an organization.

1375
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 21: They only had two really exciting seasons and other that

1376
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 21: not too much.

1377
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 14: So I get it.

1378
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 5: Losing his hard and life is short.

1379
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 12: What's up, Tony and offs to Joe in Baltimore. I've

1380
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:21,920
Speaker 12: always felt like the national and media has always put

1381
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 12: Cincinnati in negative light. They deserve most of it, but

1382
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 12: not always. With that being said, I don't necessarily think

1383
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:31,760
Speaker 12: Joe wants out. I think he's just hard to lose

1384
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:34,000
Speaker 12: it and he sees it's another slipped away season.

1385
01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 7: Like you guys have said.

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01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 12: I honestly believe he's driven almost like Jordan's and this

1387
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:41,719
Speaker 12: is what he's doing to drag this team with him.

1388
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:44,240
Speaker 7: Bou Day. Joe ain't going nowhere.

1389
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 5: I also do think there's this, you know, the idea

1390
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:52,640
Speaker 5: that the national media in Orlowsky and Schefter and all

1391
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 5: these guys would say the things that they are they

1392
01:10:55,240 --> 01:11:00,639
Speaker 5: have said. There is a precedent for it. That's why

1393
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:03,759
Speaker 5: it happens. Much like the Andrew Luck thing. It happened,

1394
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 5: so we can talk about it maybe happening, happening again.

1395
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 5: Carson Palmer and Mike Brown squared off against one another

1396
01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:13,639
Speaker 5: years ago, it happened, and now it might happen again.

1397
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 4: Is the parallels they're trying to draw. Can I take

1398
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 4: thirty seconds and read something that Lance tweeted out?

1399
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 5: Sure?

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01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:23,599
Speaker 4: This was the quick holister from Andrew Luck at age

1401
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:26,680
Speaker 4: twenty nine. For the last four years, I've been in

1402
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:29,840
Speaker 4: the cycle of injury pain rehab, injury pain rehab, and

1403
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:34,000
Speaker 4: it's been unceasing, unrelenting in season and offseason. I felt stuck.

1404
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 4: The only way I see out is to no longer

1405
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:39,160
Speaker 4: play football. It's taken the joy out of the game.

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01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 4: After twenty sixteen, when I played in pain was able

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01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 4: to practice regularly, I made it out of myself that

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01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:46,719
Speaker 4: I wouldn't go down the path again. I'm in pain.

1409
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:48,360
Speaker 4: I'm still in pain. I've come to the fork in

1410
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 4: the road. Part of my journey forward is going to

1411
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 4: be figuring out how to feel better. And again Lance

1412
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 4: Lance concludes as well, This is not Lance saying that

1413
01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:00,360
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow is going to pull and Andrew Luck, but

1414
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 4: there are similarities in the tone of if I want

1415
01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:06,679
Speaker 4: to keep doing it, I have to have fun. Andrew

1416
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:08,559
Speaker 4: Luck said that in twenty sixteen the joy had been

1417
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 4: taken out of the game. Joe Burrow made reference to

1418
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 4: his brain and his body, as did Andrew Luck. That

1419
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:17,679
Speaker 4: is why and I think to piggyback what you just said, Austin,

1420
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:21,400
Speaker 4: there's precedence to this before, so people can resort back

1421
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:23,519
Speaker 4: to that and say, well, this has happened before. Why

1422
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:24,439
Speaker 4: can't it happen again?

1423
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 31: Man, what you guys did with that Burrow conversation was

1424
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:32,759
Speaker 31: amazing and a pr masterclass. You two deserve a fervent

1425
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:37,280
Speaker 31: round of applause because that dialogue between you two rated

1426
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 31: of hope and cope.

1427
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 5: This is not enoughing.

1428
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:41,559
Speaker 31: But no matter how much you hope it, you hope

1429
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:44,479
Speaker 31: it is other quarterback and it was not just a

1430
01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 31: bad day. Other quarterbacks have bad days. They don't talk

1431
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 31: like that. When do you hear the quarterbacks talk like that?

1432
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:51,200
Speaker 31: And it goes back to you guys acting like it's

1433
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:53,559
Speaker 31: normal for a top five quarterback to missed the playoffs

1434
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 31: three years in a row.

1435
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 7: He's sat up.

1436
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 5: We've never acted like it's normal hope and cope. That

1437
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:00,200
Speaker 5: dude hates our guys.

1438
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:04,719
Speaker 7: Doug Joe Burr situation.

1439
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 32: I think I agree with you Turney, and I agree

1440
01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:09,759
Speaker 32: with Chefty, and I think Austin a little off based

1441
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 32: on this. It's just a bad day, but I think

1442
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:14,679
Speaker 32: he's I think Burrow is tired. I'm tired, I'm sick,

1443
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:17,080
Speaker 32: I'm tired. I'm just fed up with it. I'm fed

1444
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:19,719
Speaker 32: up with the organization. I'm set up with the coaching decisions,

1445
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 32: I've fed up with the defense being this bad. But

1446
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 32: he's standing up enough guy that he's not gonna come

1447
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:30,519
Speaker 32: here in trash him. He's just mad. Yeah, yeah, loosen football.

1448
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 5: The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

1449
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 30: What's up, guys, big ghouna in Kentucky.

1450
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:37,600
Speaker 5: You know those comments were calculating.

1451
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:38,920
Speaker 30: And hopefully it's just to get Zach Taylor out of

1452
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 30: town and to bring in the guy he wants to

1453
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 30: be the coach. With that said, though, Burrow, you're under

1454
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:45,519
Speaker 30: You're under contract for four more years. You ain't going

1455
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:48,000
Speaker 30: anywhere unless you retire. I got news for you. There's

1456
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:50,839
Speaker 30: a quarterback before you, and there's gonna big quarterbacks after you.

1457
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 30: You're not bigger than the organization. You're not bigger in

1458
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:53,839
Speaker 30: Bigg's football.

1459
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:56,200
Speaker 7: Biggles football is bigger than Joe Burrow.

1460
01:13:56,360 --> 01:13:58,200
Speaker 30: And lastly, I'd like to see Burrow go to the

1461
01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:00,719
Speaker 30: podium and clear all this air, retracts of these statements

1462
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:02,559
Speaker 30: and gets you after at orlaf you make them wrong.

1463
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, he don't owe them anything. I don't owe them

1464
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:08,479
Speaker 5: the time of day. I do think that if Burrow

1465
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 5: were to pull something like Carson, I think we'd be

1466
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:15,439
Speaker 5: closer to the end of the Bengals than the beginning,

1467
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 5: that's for sure.

1468
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 29: Doug got me per Hey, Tony Dog from tyrack dot

1469
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:25,320
Speaker 29: com Studios from Fox Sports Radio. I was thinking about

1470
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:28,719
Speaker 29: redoing my show a little bit and was thinking about

1471
01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 29: adding a talkback segment. What are your views and your

1472
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:35,560
Speaker 29: thoughts about talkbacks?

1473
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:38,720
Speaker 5: That was a complete waste of time, Doug, I love them.

1474
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 33: Hey, guys, I just think Joe Burrow has a classic

1475
01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:46,800
Speaker 33: case of the birthday blues, also known as birthday depression.

1476
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:49,600
Speaker 33: And I've simply had it from time to time. You know,

1477
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:52,600
Speaker 33: Joe Burrow is a professionist, and on your birthday, you

1478
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:55,600
Speaker 33: contemplate your life, you contemplate your relationships.

1479
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:56,559
Speaker 7: And Joe Burrow is.

1480
01:14:56,560 --> 01:15:00,759
Speaker 33: A professionist and audi I know her to turn thirty,

1481
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 33: but try turning fifty, your little bald headed munchkin.

1482
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:09,519
Speaker 5: Dang, dang, that's what I'm saying. I'm thirty and I'm

1483
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:13,800
Speaker 5: a little bald headed munchkin. I got nothing. Yeah, No, Like,

1484
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:16,600
Speaker 5: I think part of it too is like sometimes and

1485
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 5: we talked about this, like the joy of it is

1486
01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:23,200
Speaker 5: is sucked out out of you. There is a sign

1487
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:26,080
Speaker 5: in your studio right now that MO put up. We've

1488
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:28,559
Speaker 5: talked about this before. He just printed it out and

1489
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:31,639
Speaker 5: it said, this is supposed to be fun. Have fun,

1490
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:35,920
Speaker 5: because even with us sometimes it's not fun or we're

1491
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:38,160
Speaker 5: not having fun, and we need reminders. Listen.

1492
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:41,679
Speaker 4: If it's about Joe Burrow, He's made this very clear

1493
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:43,559
Speaker 4: in the past. What is the ultimate goal for Joe

1494
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:46,840
Speaker 4: Burrow in his football career? Winning super Bowls? Not MVPs,

1495
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:48,479
Speaker 4: not the best quarterback in the league.

1496
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 5: He wants to win super Bowls.

1497
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 4: And it's a guy that is probably pissed because he

1498
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:57,240
Speaker 4: feels like the door is much closer to being closed

1499
01:15:57,400 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 4: than open for a super Bowl right now.

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01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:01,439
Speaker 5: And in that sense is right, is that it's beginning

1501
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:05,400
Speaker 5: of the end. Well, because we're in year six and

1502
01:16:05,479 --> 01:16:08,000
Speaker 5: he's got four years left on his deal. Yep, so

1503
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:10,920
Speaker 5: you are closing in on the end of this whole thing.

1504
01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 7: Hey, guys, Ryan v.

1505
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 5: Yellow Springs.

1506
01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:16,120
Speaker 19: Hey normally like to know, do the songs or make

1507
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:19,120
Speaker 19: jokes about stuff like this, but this Sharone Moore situation

1508
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:23,120
Speaker 19: is so dark and so bad. I just have no

1509
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:26,280
Speaker 19: interest really in even joking about it. This morning, I

1510
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:28,960
Speaker 19: have Adam Schefter Michigan man on my TV telling us

1511
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 19: that we need to feel bad for Sharon Moore because he.

1512
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:31,800
Speaker 7: Lost his job.

1513
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:34,719
Speaker 19: Yeah, I saw that, maybe because of decisions he totally

1514
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 19: made completely on his own. The only person I feel

1515
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 19: bad for is his wife and kids.

1516
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, three kids and a wireble. That's who we should

1517
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:42,479
Speaker 4: feel bad for.

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01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 7: Yeah.

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01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:46,519
Speaker 5: Again, I really put very little weight on anything. Adam

1520
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:48,920
Speaker 5: Schefter says, I mean, you go back to what happened

1521
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:51,400
Speaker 5: with Dwayne Haskins and the way he handled that and

1522
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:55,240
Speaker 5: saying stuff like this, bloviating incessantly. Yeah, he gets some

1523
01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:58,799
Speaker 5: scoops from time to time, but he's become a monster

1524
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:01,200
Speaker 5: in the ESPN How of Horrors when it comes to

1525
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:03,720
Speaker 5: serving uptakes. That's just not necessary.

1526
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:04,320
Speaker 18: Man.

1527
01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:06,760
Speaker 34: It feels like old Joey Be's entered the face of

1528
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:09,960
Speaker 34: his career where he's basically just the Ben Affleck meme

1529
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:15,559
Speaker 34: where he's standing outside smoking a dark contemplating life just

1530
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:20,519
Speaker 34: looks dead behind the eyes. Hang in there, brother, don't

1531
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:23,240
Speaker 34: be afraid to ask for help. Maybe that's what he

1532
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:26,800
Speaker 34: was doing at the press conference. If I would have

1533
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 34: been one of them fellas, I would have said, you know, Joe,

1534
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:32,200
Speaker 34: if you ever want to talk to somebody, I mean,

1535
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:33,240
Speaker 34: we're here.

1536
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:38,720
Speaker 5: That's right. Yeah, and hopefully the you know, the NFLPA

1537
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:41,960
Speaker 5: president on the team, a guy like Ted Carriss would

1538
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:44,599
Speaker 5: take note of what was going on and be like, hey,

1539
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 5: here's the resources that the NFLPA provides to you if

1540
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:51,640
Speaker 5: you want to use him, and hopefully he considers that

1541
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:52,400
Speaker 5: if you need.

1542
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 35: Tony when you were injured playing football and you had

1543
01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:56,439
Speaker 35: to go through the rehab process, was that any fun

1544
01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:56,800
Speaker 35: for you?

1545
01:17:56,840 --> 01:17:57,439
Speaker 5: I hated it.

1546
01:17:57,680 --> 01:18:00,759
Speaker 35: Joe's came out in the past and admitted he had sucks.

1547
01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:04,120
Speaker 35: He hates schooling through rehab, and so I know what

1548
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 35: he said and how we were going to react. I

1549
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:08,640
Speaker 35: think he knew that, but I don't think what he

1550
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 35: said was really intended for anyone else except for that

1551
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:14,680
Speaker 35: front office. He said he's not having fun, basically, But

1552
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:16,720
Speaker 35: if you had to go out and throw for three

1553
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:19,400
Speaker 35: hundred yards four touchdowns and lose the game, would that

1554
01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:19,880
Speaker 35: be fun?

1555
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:21,519
Speaker 7: He's not having fun. Get out, dude.

1556
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:24,439
Speaker 4: You know he lost, And what he hear for most

1557
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:27,320
Speaker 4: of the week was well, it's Joe Burrow's fault. Four

1558
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:30,599
Speaker 4: touchdowns in the snow, and what were more people talking about?

1559
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:32,000
Speaker 4: I had losses on Joe.

1560
01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:36,839
Speaker 5: It's frustrating if his Rachel Green from friends.

1561
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 4: Oh, like my mother always said mine said cheater, always

1562
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:42,639
Speaker 4: a cheeter.

1563
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:46,800
Speaker 36: Huh sound what teche you?

1564
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 5: And thank you very guys.

1565
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:54,439
Speaker 10: The only signs that Team up North did steal were

1566
01:18:54,479 --> 01:18:56,519
Speaker 10: the warning signs about Sharon Moore.

1567
01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:59,800
Speaker 7: Wow, let's vacate that twenty twenty three championship.

1568
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:04,639
Speaker 5: Let's go that's not a bad idea. Wow. I saw

1569
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:05,920
Speaker 5: Rappine tweet the other day.

1570
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:06,760
Speaker 7: Cracked me up.

1571
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 23: He was like talking about whenever the Bengals signed Zavior Johnson, like, oh,

1572
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:14,320
Speaker 23: took a page out of the old Reds playbook and

1573
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 23: and sign the hometown. Oh it's hilarious, but yeah, Rapeine,

1574
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 23: don't know how you thought of that. Cracked me up. Man,

1575
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:22,680
Speaker 23: you're a legend.

1576
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:25,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, did you see my post about this? James, repeat

1577
01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 5: my joke for it's not a surprise at all. It's

1578
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:30,839
Speaker 5: it's his character.

1579
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:32,479
Speaker 9: Tony be sick.

1580
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:36,160
Speaker 1: It's the male man out here in the cold weather

1581
01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:36,799
Speaker 1: where there.

1582
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 20: Is no warlin.

1583
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:47,000
Speaker 36: I think Joe Burrow is sad something, hopefully not retirement.

1584
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:50,759
Speaker 24: You guys have another best day ever?

1585
01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:54,960
Speaker 5: He walking it back Carmelin at the loan.

1586
01:19:56,960 --> 01:19:58,880
Speaker 7: As a cult Sam, I have.

1587
01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:01,960
Speaker 35: To remind everything that Joe Burrow is now the same

1588
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:04,200
Speaker 35: age Andrew luck was when he retired.

1589
01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:10,200
Speaker 36: Thank you, Thank you appreciate that. So Austin, your theory

1590
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:15,760
Speaker 36: is that Duke Tobin just absolutely.

1591
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:21,000
Speaker 37: Obliterated a four room down there at the stadium, and

1592
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:24,040
Speaker 37: Joe had used the bathroom and it just put Joe

1593
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:26,720
Speaker 37: in a foul nude and he's like, oh God, I

1594
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 37: got to go do a press right now.

1595
01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:30,720
Speaker 36: So that's your I'm not buying it.

1596
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:33,160
Speaker 5: I think we can go agree with what Tony's saying.

1597
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:35,920
Speaker 5: I think we go with that. I think the final

1598
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:39,080
Speaker 5: score was like four for me and two for you.

1599
01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:42,439
Speaker 4: I think I think there's something too, like if I'm Joe,

1600
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:45,400
Speaker 4: hey man, I just battled my tail back to get

1601
01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:48,400
Speaker 4: back and play this year and I throw four touchdowns

1602
01:20:48,439 --> 01:20:50,559
Speaker 4: and now what are people saying, Well, I thought losses

1603
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:52,040
Speaker 4: on Joe, I'd be mad too.

1604
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:54,320
Speaker 5: I thought John brought up a good point too, in

1605
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:56,600
Speaker 5: the sense of like it hadn't lost a game in

1606
01:20:56,640 --> 01:21:00,320
Speaker 5: over a calendar year that he'd started. They were they

1607
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:03,200
Speaker 5: had been eight to o prior to that, and that

1608
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:05,800
Speaker 5: one play in the way that it all happened. Yep.

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01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:10,759
Speaker 4: Frustrating for sure, yeah, a break football in Natty.

1610
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:12,720
Speaker 5: Next. Maybe he had just got out of film and

1611
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:14,880
Speaker 5: Zach Taylor was reaming him for throwing that ball.

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01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:19,679
Speaker 4: Kegan nickoson at two o'clock ESPN fifteen thirty.

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01:21:19,479 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 5: Second night, I heard Keegan is tracking private planes from

1614
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:23,960
Speaker 5: looking to Ann Arbor today.

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01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:26,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, Keegan's a big Indiana guy too, so he's got

1616
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:27,439
Speaker 4: to probably take a victory.

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01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:29,760
Speaker 5: Laughed about the Hoosiers. I gotta sit here and take it.

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01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 4: ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

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01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:33,360
Speaker 7: Two hours ago.

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Speaker 2: He brought to you in part by blood Light and

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01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:42,200
Speaker 2: by Oakley Greens on ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home

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Speaker 2: of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 4: All right, welcome back. It is football in Nati here

1624
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:48,880
Speaker 4: real quick, just to kind of set the scene. What's

1625
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 4: going on across the National Football League mentioned earlier.

1626
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:52,479
Speaker 7: TJ.

1627
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:55,559
Speaker 4: Watt is in the hospital right now after having his

1628
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 4: lung evaluated. That is something that Mike Tomlin will update

1629
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:03,759
Speaker 4: as they get more information. The Ravens and their defensive

1630
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:08,360
Speaker 4: tackle Travis Jones have reached an extension before getting to

1631
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:10,479
Speaker 4: a grievance on whether the nose tackle would become an

1632
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 4: unrestricted free agent. So that is a forty and a

1633
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:16,720
Speaker 4: half million dollar contract for Jones that keeps him under

1634
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:20,280
Speaker 4: contract with the Ravens through the twenty twenty eight season.

1635
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 4: And when we talk about Thursday Night Football, Austin Jalen

1636
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:29,080
Speaker 4: McMillan and Mike Evans have both been activated from the

1637
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:31,800
Speaker 4: injured reserve for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

1638
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:33,599
Speaker 5: Baker Mayfield needs them.

1639
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:36,760
Speaker 4: First time in a while. He's gonna have Evans, McMillan,

1640
01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:38,799
Speaker 4: Igbuka and Chris Godwin.

1641
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:43,639
Speaker 5: And I'll tell you this tonight elite uniform matchup. Falcons

1642
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:47,000
Speaker 5: are going with their black throwbacks. Buccaneers are going with

1643
01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 5: their creamsicle throwbacks, the Creamsickle. It is going to be

1644
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:56,479
Speaker 5: beautiful sports television Tonight, Love Love, Love the Creamsickle. Some

1645
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:59,839
Speaker 5: other of note games in Week fifteen across the NFL,

1646
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:03,800
Speaker 5: the Chargers and Chiefs. If last week wasn't a must

1647
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:05,920
Speaker 5: win for the Chiefs, this surely has become a must

1648
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:08,200
Speaker 5: win for the Chiefs. They're five and a half point

1649
01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:10,800
Speaker 5: favorite at home. You get a good one in the

1650
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 5: AFC between the Bills and the Patriots. That game is

1651
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:17,000
Speaker 5: in New England, and yet Bills Buffalo is favored in

1652
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:21,320
Speaker 5: that game, right, now at Jillette Stadium. Other games of note,

1653
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:25,839
Speaker 5: Packers Broncos is a good one on Sunday Rams hosting

1654
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:28,720
Speaker 5: the Lions. Lions still trying to find their way back

1655
01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:31,160
Speaker 5: in the playoff picture at eight and five. That should

1656
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:34,880
Speaker 5: be a very good one. Colt Seahawks for no.

1657
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 4: Other reason, to see if Philip Rivers are going to

1658
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:41,080
Speaker 4: start that game against the Seattle Seahawks. Vikings Cowboys Sunday

1659
01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:42,960
Speaker 4: Night Football, and then your Monday night game. As we've

1660
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:46,160
Speaker 4: talked about with the small path that the Bengals may have,

1661
01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:50,000
Speaker 4: the Steelers will host the Dolphins on Monday Night Football.

1662
01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:51,040
Speaker 5: We'll wrap up our.

1663
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:53,439
Speaker 4: Number two next well, then welcome in Keg and nickoson

1664
01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:56,200
Speaker 4: to kick off our number three. All still ahead along

1665
01:23:56,240 --> 01:23:59,840
Speaker 4: with Reid and React on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

1666
01:24:00,360 --> 01:24:04,799
Speaker 2: You've been listening to Football in the NATI on ESPN

1667
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:13,400
Speaker 2: fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals, WC,

1668
01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:15,960
Speaker 2: bomb the Bottle.

1669
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:18,160
Speaker 5: And little killing time here.

1670
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:22,400
Speaker 4: I don't think we get Mowager's this afternoon for quick hits,

1671
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:25,280
Speaker 4: although he is on The Mowegar Show this afternoon. We

1672
01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:27,439
Speaker 4: will get read and react to our number three. But

1673
01:24:27,479 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 4: before any of that, we'll touch base with what's going

1674
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:33,000
Speaker 4: on in the world of the Bearcats, football, hoops, and

1675
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:35,559
Speaker 4: so much more with our guy from Bearcat Journal, Keegan Nikoson,

1676
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:37,840
Speaker 4: joins us to get things started an hour three next

1677
01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:40,719
Speaker 4: on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

1678
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:47,840
Speaker 2: This is Tony Pike since e three sixty, about Cincinnati

1679
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:52,679
Speaker 2: from Cincinnati, sponsored in hard by Penn Station. East Coast Subs,

1680
01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:57,880
Speaker 2: handcrafted hot grilled subs, fresh cut fries in lemonade. It's

1681
01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:03,400
Speaker 2: all about good taste. East Coast Subs order on line today.

1682
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:08,479
Speaker 2: This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

1683
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:12,439
Speaker 4: It is our number three since e three sixty thanks

1684
01:25:12,439 --> 01:25:16,080
Speaker 4: to Penn Station. Let's dive right into it. Thursday, our three.

1685
01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:19,559
Speaker 4: We kick things off talking all things Bearcats with our

1686
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:23,200
Speaker 4: guy from Bearcat Journal dot com, Keegan Nickoson, joining us

1687
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:23,559
Speaker 4: right now.

1688
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:27,599
Speaker 5: Hi Keegan, Hi Tony, how are you? Kegan?

1689
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:30,479
Speaker 4: I know we're going to talk about the Bearcats, but

1690
01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:33,640
Speaker 4: I know, as devoted as you are to the Bearcats,

1691
01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:35,559
Speaker 4: you're also a fan of the Indiana Hoosiers, and I

1692
01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:37,560
Speaker 4: just wanted, if you wanted a second, to give you

1693
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:40,200
Speaker 4: a chance to take a small lap here on on

1694
01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:42,760
Speaker 4: Austin Elmore with what the Hoosiers did to the Buckeyes.

1695
01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, it's it's pretty usually Indiana's little brother,

1696
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:51,400
Speaker 7: but I'm very glad to say that it is now

1697
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:57,880
Speaker 7: Ohio State. It's I never expected to see with my

1698
01:25:57,960 --> 01:26:01,599
Speaker 7: own eyes. Indiana just you know, out coughing and playing

1699
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:03,639
Speaker 7: a more physical brain of football than I'll have to say.

1700
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:06,240
Speaker 7: And you know, Austin, there was a third and five

1701
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:10,040
Speaker 7: late night game and Kurt Signet just said, you know what,

1702
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:13,120
Speaker 7: let's just throw it up to to I think it

1703
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:15,360
Speaker 7: was Charlie Becker for a first down and win the game.

1704
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:21,960
Speaker 5: Charlie Nashville, Tennessee. As Gus Johnson reminders, so yeah.

1705
01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:24,080
Speaker 7: You know you put them one on one in Indiana's

1706
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:25,559
Speaker 7: going to win now. And that's what the way college

1707
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:27,160
Speaker 7: football is. Wow.

1708
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:32,920
Speaker 5: I've been so supportive of Kegan despite the shots taken

1709
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:35,400
Speaker 5: by Tony Pike. I didn't expect this, but I have

1710
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:39,439
Speaker 5: no choice but to sit here and take it. Wow, Keagan.

1711
01:26:39,479 --> 01:26:41,920
Speaker 4: While the Hoosers get ready for the College Football Playoff,

1712
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 4: Bearcats are getting ready as well for the Liberty Bowl.

1713
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:48,639
Speaker 4: They'll take on the Navy midshipman. This is different, right

1714
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:51,280
Speaker 4: The bowls season is much different unless you are playing

1715
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:54,080
Speaker 4: in those bigger bowls. The question is not as much

1716
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:56,600
Speaker 4: about the game, but who's going to be available to

1717
01:26:56,720 --> 01:26:59,040
Speaker 4: play in the game. Where do things stand right now

1718
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:01,680
Speaker 4: for just an availability standpoint on the Bearcats and the

1719
01:27:01,720 --> 01:27:02,240
Speaker 4: Liberty Bawl.

1720
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:06,720
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't have a lot of firm answers on

1721
01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:09,120
Speaker 7: who will and will not play. I can only basically

1722
01:27:09,160 --> 01:27:10,640
Speaker 7: go off who's announced that they're going to go in

1723
01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:15,960
Speaker 7: the portal. Christian Harrison's the biggest name. I don't expect

1724
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:17,840
Speaker 7: him to play in the portal he announced that, or

1725
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:19,479
Speaker 7: I don't expect him to play in the bowl game.

1726
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:22,840
Speaker 7: He announced that he was entering the portal last night, which,

1727
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:26,360
Speaker 7: obviously the big thing isn't the bowl game. The big

1728
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:28,120
Speaker 7: thing is he was projecting to be one of your

1729
01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:31,920
Speaker 7: best defensive players next season, and now that's a big

1730
01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:34,759
Speaker 7: hole that you have to fill. He took the second

1731
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:38,639
Speaker 7: most naps on defense last year, behind only Matthew McDoom

1732
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:42,440
Speaker 7: and a lot of that back end in the safeties

1733
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:45,760
Speaker 7: was a lot of older guys who have exhausted their eligibility.

1734
01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:51,000
Speaker 7: So now you're looking at Antoine Peak and Jakwan Sanks

1735
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:53,160
Speaker 7: basically playing the same position. They're going to be your

1736
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:56,840
Speaker 7: most seasoned and experienced, most talented guys, so they're going

1737
01:27:56,920 --> 01:27:59,800
Speaker 7: to have a lot of holes to fill. But you know,

1738
01:27:59,880 --> 01:28:03,599
Speaker 7: I'm not sure about Tayden Barnes or Kay Stokes, Keil

1739
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:06,600
Speaker 7: Wood Burned, Kari Anderson, guys like that. Ethan Green. I

1740
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:09,400
Speaker 7: think Ethan Green announced that he was playing, So I

1741
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:11,519
Speaker 7: think in the next couple of weeks, I know we're

1742
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:14,840
Speaker 7: gonna have media on Monday, we'll get some more clarity

1743
01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:16,960
Speaker 7: on who's going to play in that Bowl game and

1744
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:18,000
Speaker 7: who who isn't.

1745
01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:21,000
Speaker 4: Would you imagine or speculate to see if if Brendan

1746
01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:24,880
Speaker 4: Saresby plays, I don't.

1747
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:29,719
Speaker 7: Know, Like, like it's a it's an interesting thing. Does

1748
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:32,599
Speaker 7: he play in the bowl game, But that still doesn't

1749
01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:34,640
Speaker 7: mean that he's coming back, at least to me. If

1750
01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:36,120
Speaker 7: he plays in the bowl game, I think that could

1751
01:28:36,120 --> 01:28:39,360
Speaker 7: be more likely that he's gonna end up going to

1752
01:28:39,439 --> 01:28:44,120
Speaker 7: the draft possibly, So I don't I don't know. I

1753
01:28:44,160 --> 01:28:46,599
Speaker 7: think I would be surprised if you played, just because

1754
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:48,240
Speaker 7: of the optics of it. You don't want to go

1755
01:28:48,280 --> 01:28:51,479
Speaker 7: out and give yourself a chance to get hurt, especially

1756
01:28:51,479 --> 01:28:54,559
Speaker 7: if you're gonna go to the portal. But my thing

1757
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:57,240
Speaker 7: on him is I would be very very surprised. But again,

1758
01:28:57,320 --> 01:28:59,360
Speaker 7: like I just mentioned, I would expect to have an

1759
01:28:59,360 --> 01:29:01,040
Speaker 7: answer on that within a week.

1760
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:06,320
Speaker 4: For the game itself, I know we can get into

1761
01:29:06,280 --> 01:29:09,120
Speaker 4: the game as it gets closer. How important coaches talk

1762
01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:12,680
Speaker 4: about bowl practices all the time. How important are those opportunities,

1763
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:16,240
Speaker 4: those extra opportunities in today's college football landscape to get

1764
01:29:16,280 --> 01:29:17,160
Speaker 4: guys more practice.

1765
01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:20,559
Speaker 7: I mean, I think you can speak to it way

1766
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:23,320
Speaker 7: better than I can, But I think it's big for

1767
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:26,360
Speaker 7: the young guys at the very least just to get

1768
01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:29,360
Speaker 7: those important reps, especially if guys are leaving the program

1769
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:32,760
Speaker 7: and basically leaving starter holes. You're going to get that

1770
01:29:32,840 --> 01:29:35,720
Speaker 7: experience and be able to have those practices. So I

1771
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:38,240
Speaker 7: think for the younger guys it's huge, and I think

1772
01:29:38,240 --> 01:29:41,320
Speaker 7: there is a certain level of momentum and pride that

1773
01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:43,240
Speaker 7: you can take and being able to play in a

1774
01:29:43,240 --> 01:29:46,439
Speaker 7: bowl game because a lot of teams they don't have

1775
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:50,960
Speaker 7: that opportunity, So there's some pride, there's some excitement about it.

1776
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:54,120
Speaker 7: Definitely would rather be in better, a better scenario, a

1777
01:29:54,120 --> 01:29:58,760
Speaker 7: better situation. Maybe no disrespect to the Liberty Bowl. You know,

1778
01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:01,840
Speaker 7: Zach Klaris and George Way had a great game out

1779
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:06,960
Speaker 7: there and Memphis, but you'd think the Pop Tarts Bowl maybe,

1780
01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:09,120
Speaker 7: I know you hated the Rate Bowl, you know, playing

1781
01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:13,280
Speaker 7: Phoenix and be pretty cool. But you know, I think

1782
01:30:13,320 --> 01:30:15,400
Speaker 7: there's a good amount of excitement and pride about it,

1783
01:30:15,439 --> 01:30:17,120
Speaker 7: so they should. They should have as much fun with

1784
01:30:17,200 --> 01:30:20,320
Speaker 7: it playing a sport that's basically meant for children, as

1785
01:30:20,360 --> 01:30:21,360
Speaker 7: they possibly.

1786
01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:23,640
Speaker 4: Did lastly on the Bowl game. Before we switch to basketball.

1787
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:26,080
Speaker 4: We don't have to dive into the ins and outs

1788
01:30:26,080 --> 01:30:29,360
Speaker 4: of matchups to this point, but you do look at

1789
01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:32,160
Speaker 4: the three three five, which has been susceptible against the run.

1790
01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:35,960
Speaker 4: Dante Corleone not in the middle of that defense. How

1791
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:38,799
Speaker 4: difficult of just a matchup on paper? Does this become

1792
01:30:39,439 --> 01:30:42,880
Speaker 4: based on what Navy does really really well?

1793
01:30:43,080 --> 01:30:45,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it's a matchup from hell if I'm

1794
01:30:45,200 --> 01:30:48,600
Speaker 7: being completely honest. You're looking at the team that I

1795
01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:51,800
Speaker 7: think might lead the nation in yards per game with

1796
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:55,360
Speaker 7: about two hundred and eighty two, and you know, you

1797
01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:58,679
Speaker 7: see has been very susceptible to the run against basically

1798
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:02,439
Speaker 7: average or just above average running teams. So I know

1799
01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:06,040
Speaker 7: court Braswo coached at Army, so he's very very familiar

1800
01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:08,800
Speaker 7: with how to defend the triple option. And coach Satdafield

1801
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:10,760
Speaker 7: said and the conference call, I think it was that

1802
01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:14,680
Speaker 7: they're going to lean on him very heavy. But I

1803
01:31:14,760 --> 01:31:17,720
Speaker 7: especially with you know, Jontay Curleon is probably not going

1804
01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:20,360
Speaker 7: to play, Jake Gold is probably not going to play.

1805
01:31:20,439 --> 01:31:23,240
Speaker 7: And that's not off any inside information. That's just looking

1806
01:31:23,240 --> 01:31:25,400
Speaker 7: at the situation and saying it doesn't make sense for

1807
01:31:25,439 --> 01:31:28,280
Speaker 7: them too. I think it's going to be a really,

1808
01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:31,720
Speaker 7: really tough matchup. And you know, Scott Satafield has talked

1809
01:31:31,720 --> 01:31:35,120
Speaker 7: a lot about time of possession and Navy's probably going

1810
01:31:35,200 --> 01:31:38,040
Speaker 7: to dominate that and They're going to have to basically

1811
01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:41,000
Speaker 7: be perfect on offense in order to kind of keep

1812
01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:41,519
Speaker 7: up with it.

1813
01:31:42,680 --> 01:31:43,920
Speaker 5: Let's switch to basketball.

1814
01:31:44,040 --> 01:31:46,560
Speaker 4: Last time we talked, we talked ahead of the Skyline

1815
01:31:46,640 --> 01:31:50,320
Speaker 4: Chile Crossdown shootout Keegan, and now we're talking after another

1816
01:31:50,439 --> 01:31:53,360
Speaker 4: UC loss on the road at the Cintas Center. I

1817
01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:55,880
Speaker 4: don't think the more talented basketball team won the game.

1818
01:31:56,040 --> 01:31:59,960
Speaker 4: I think talent UH one through fifteen, UC has more,

1819
01:32:00,439 --> 01:32:04,920
Speaker 4: yet they're on the wrong side of the stat sheet again.

1820
01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:08,960
Speaker 4: What was your biggest initial takeaway from the loss against Savior.

1821
01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:15,520
Speaker 7: Biggest takeaway, I don't know. I think just the inability

1822
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:18,120
Speaker 7: to stop Trey Carroll would probably be the biggest thing.

1823
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:22,360
Speaker 7: I don't think he's an exceptionally talented player. I think

1824
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:25,400
Speaker 7: he played a very physical and very hard brand of basketball,

1825
01:32:25,400 --> 01:32:26,439
Speaker 7: and at the end of the day, I think he

1826
01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:29,120
Speaker 7: wanted it more. He said that in this press conference

1827
01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:31,200
Speaker 7: after the game. He said it came down to the

1828
01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:33,160
Speaker 7: tougher team was going to win, and he thinks that

1829
01:32:33,240 --> 01:32:34,920
Speaker 7: Zaber did that, and on the floor it looked like

1830
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:40,120
Speaker 7: they did. And then I think the Shanabayev thing is interesting.

1831
01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:42,200
Speaker 7: I would like to see him be more consistent. It

1832
01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:45,120
Speaker 7: looks like he's having to create for himself a lot,

1833
01:32:45,200 --> 01:32:48,160
Speaker 7: and you know it's at the moment not working out

1834
01:32:48,160 --> 01:32:50,400
Speaker 7: that he's not playing very well, but it's just kind

1835
01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:53,720
Speaker 7: of sporadic scoring throughout the game. Boba Miller is a

1836
01:32:53,720 --> 01:32:56,679
Speaker 7: big thing for me see if he can get going

1837
01:32:56,720 --> 01:32:59,000
Speaker 7: more consistently. And obviously he's coming off an injury, so

1838
01:32:59,040 --> 01:33:01,880
Speaker 7: you're not expecting him to be full go after missing

1839
01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:04,800
Speaker 7: two games, and like Wes Miller just said in his

1840
01:33:04,840 --> 01:33:08,320
Speaker 7: press conference, he pulled down seventeen rebounds against Xavier, so

1841
01:33:08,439 --> 01:33:13,720
Speaker 7: he's playing extremely hard. I just think it was you

1842
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:16,880
Speaker 7: didn't put two halves together and you let Xavier kind

1843
01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:19,120
Speaker 7: of take advantage, and anytime that you could get some

1844
01:33:19,160 --> 01:33:21,599
Speaker 7: momentum or go on a run, you just couldn't make

1845
01:33:21,640 --> 01:33:24,960
Speaker 7: the necessary plays to extend that lead. So when you

1846
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:26,840
Speaker 7: see them take the lead with I think it was

1847
01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:29,679
Speaker 7: just over two minutes left on that jalhen celesting three,

1848
01:33:30,080 --> 01:33:32,200
Speaker 7: it's like, holy crap, you know they can win this game.

1849
01:33:32,240 --> 01:33:35,160
Speaker 7: They were down I think thirteen pretty early in the

1850
01:33:35,160 --> 01:33:37,800
Speaker 7: second half and then they come back and take the lead,

1851
01:33:37,960 --> 01:33:40,720
Speaker 7: But you just had that feeling of I don't know

1852
01:33:40,760 --> 01:33:42,360
Speaker 7: if they're gonna be able to make the plays to

1853
01:33:42,439 --> 01:33:45,200
Speaker 7: win this game because they haven't really shown it in

1854
01:33:45,240 --> 01:33:48,240
Speaker 7: any of their games outside of Dayton, maybe the first

1855
01:33:48,280 --> 01:33:51,479
Speaker 7: half against Louisville. So you know, at the end of

1856
01:33:51,520 --> 01:33:55,599
Speaker 7: the day, you just have to make those changes, make

1857
01:33:55,640 --> 01:33:59,200
Speaker 7: the alterations, and just try to make the philosophy changes

1858
01:33:59,240 --> 01:34:01,000
Speaker 7: in order to do that. But I think it comes

1859
01:34:01,040 --> 01:34:03,599
Speaker 7: down to a confidence piece. They see needs to string

1860
01:34:03,680 --> 01:34:06,400
Speaker 7: together some big wins, and they have those opportunities coming

1861
01:34:06,439 --> 01:34:07,679
Speaker 7: up against Georgia and Clemson.

1862
01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:10,240
Speaker 4: I mean the question itself, anytime a guy's going to

1863
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:12,960
Speaker 4: go off for thirty points, why not double him? Why

1864
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:14,679
Speaker 4: not try to take the ball out of his hands?

1865
01:34:14,720 --> 01:34:17,080
Speaker 4: Is kind of what I've sat on for much of

1866
01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:18,559
Speaker 4: the week since that game has happened.

1867
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:23,760
Speaker 7: Yeah. Absolutely, And I can't really tell you that. And

1868
01:34:24,160 --> 01:34:26,439
Speaker 7: Chad was actually talking about it a little bit ago.

1869
01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:30,280
Speaker 7: It looked like the same thing Yaxel Lundeenberg. I think

1870
01:34:30,320 --> 01:34:32,439
Speaker 7: I'm pronouncing that last name right. It looked like the

1871
01:34:32,439 --> 01:34:34,280
Speaker 7: same thing he did in the second half of that

1872
01:34:34,360 --> 01:34:37,320
Speaker 7: exhibition game. And they kind of defended it the same

1873
01:34:37,320 --> 01:34:39,479
Speaker 7: exact way, and there wasn't much of a double. They

1874
01:34:39,520 --> 01:34:41,599
Speaker 7: were fouling him a lot, and they were just giving

1875
01:34:41,680 --> 01:34:46,120
Speaker 7: him good looks. So they've seen it before, and you'd

1876
01:34:46,160 --> 01:34:47,840
Speaker 7: think that there would be that kind of recall of

1877
01:34:47,920 --> 01:34:50,840
Speaker 7: just being able to adjust and make that change and

1878
01:34:50,840 --> 01:34:54,400
Speaker 7: put the ball in somebody else's hand. But that wasn't here.

1879
01:34:54,720 --> 01:34:57,479
Speaker 7: And you've seen it with Quincy Olivery in the shootout

1880
01:34:57,479 --> 01:34:59,680
Speaker 7: two years ago, and I think he scored like a

1881
01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:03,200
Speaker 7: two one hundred points or something. That's what it felt like.

1882
01:35:03,920 --> 01:35:07,479
Speaker 7: And I'm not sure, And I think that those are

1883
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:09,519
Speaker 7: the necessary changes that they have to make and just

1884
01:35:09,680 --> 01:35:12,519
Speaker 7: kind of I don't want to say easy adjustments. I'm

1885
01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:14,640
Speaker 7: not a college basketball coach. There's obviously a ton of

1886
01:35:14,680 --> 01:35:18,519
Speaker 7: moving parts. But when a guy is scoring as much

1887
01:35:18,560 --> 01:35:21,200
Speaker 7: as he did, I think it was like twelve points

1888
01:35:21,200 --> 01:35:23,479
Speaker 7: in the first five minutes of the second half something

1889
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:26,400
Speaker 7: like that. I think he scored the first eight. Kind

1890
01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:29,160
Speaker 7: of just throwing everything at him and forcing someone else's.

1891
01:35:28,880 --> 01:35:32,040
Speaker 5: Score, h might be a good plan going forward.

1892
01:35:32,360 --> 01:35:35,160
Speaker 4: You now get the extended break after the shootout, but

1893
01:35:35,280 --> 01:35:38,679
Speaker 4: you mentioned it is a tough matchup against a very

1894
01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:41,759
Speaker 4: good Georgia team. Georgia has one loss in the season

1895
01:35:41,840 --> 01:35:46,479
Speaker 4: ninety seven ninety four to Clemson. How do you how

1896
01:35:46,479 --> 01:35:50,719
Speaker 4: do you take another brutal loss and your third loss

1897
01:35:50,720 --> 01:35:53,400
Speaker 4: already of the non conference and look ahead, as you

1898
01:35:53,439 --> 01:35:56,040
Speaker 4: mentioned Georgia and Clemson before you even get to talk

1899
01:35:56,080 --> 01:36:01,200
Speaker 4: about Big twelve play. How massive does Saturday become now

1900
01:36:01,280 --> 01:36:03,040
Speaker 4: for not only this team but Wes Miller.

1901
01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:07,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it's huge, And like I mentioned, you

1902
01:36:07,400 --> 01:36:10,479
Speaker 7: have to find confidence in some way. And Wes is

1903
01:36:10,600 --> 01:36:14,360
Speaker 7: reiterating again today that they're in the process of becoming

1904
01:36:14,360 --> 01:36:16,679
Speaker 7: a great team, and he still thinks that they are

1905
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:19,800
Speaker 7: I just need to see more consistency from guys like

1906
01:36:19,800 --> 01:36:25,040
Speaker 7: the Mustafa Cham. Guys like Shanabaye of West says that

1907
01:36:25,280 --> 01:36:28,200
Speaker 7: they can run the offense through Mustafa Cham and kind

1908
01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:30,760
Speaker 7: of play inside out, and it just looks like the

1909
01:36:32,479 --> 01:36:34,519
Speaker 7: touches that he's getting in the paint are kind of

1910
01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:36,639
Speaker 7: just automatically going up and it doesn't look like great

1911
01:36:36,720 --> 01:36:40,880
Speaker 7: quality shots. But and then he's not passing it out

1912
01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:43,040
Speaker 7: very much, So I don't know where that's kind of

1913
01:36:43,080 --> 01:36:46,599
Speaker 7: coming from. But you know, they need a confidence voilter,

1914
01:36:46,840 --> 01:36:49,479
Speaker 7: and this isn't a great time to need a confidence

1915
01:36:49,520 --> 01:36:52,200
Speaker 7: voter because Georgia is a legitimately really really good team.

1916
01:36:52,680 --> 01:36:54,960
Speaker 7: They lead the nation and scoring in ninety nine point

1917
01:36:55,040 --> 01:36:58,120
Speaker 7: nine points per game, and it's not like they're slaps

1918
01:36:58,160 --> 01:37:00,720
Speaker 7: on defense. They're forty fifth in the cent according to

1919
01:37:00,760 --> 01:37:02,800
Speaker 7: Ken Pom. So it's going to be a really, really

1920
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:04,680
Speaker 7: tough one. And obviously it's gonna be in front of

1921
01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:07,840
Speaker 7: a hormtown crowd because the game's in Atlanta, so a

1922
01:37:07,840 --> 01:37:09,680
Speaker 7: lot of stuff stacking up against some of these next

1923
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:13,840
Speaker 7: few games. As Clemson is playing in Greenville against UC

1924
01:37:14,160 --> 01:37:17,559
Speaker 7: so that's going to be a Clemson home hometown home

1925
01:37:17,680 --> 01:37:20,599
Speaker 7: crowd again. So yeah, it's it's not a good time

1926
01:37:20,640 --> 01:37:22,000
Speaker 7: to need a confidence builder.

1927
01:37:21,760 --> 01:37:24,960
Speaker 4: For Uce, regardless of the team, and rightfully so needing

1928
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:27,400
Speaker 4: that confidence builder. Let's just be honest, you get how

1929
01:37:27,479 --> 01:37:28,880
Speaker 4: how much does Wes Miller need this?

1930
01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:36,080
Speaker 7: A lot? I don't see them starting with two wins

1931
01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:38,400
Speaker 7: that were first four in Big twelve play just because

1932
01:37:38,479 --> 01:37:41,360
Speaker 7: you get Houston and then I think you get a

1933
01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:44,880
Speaker 7: West Virginia team on the road early. I think you

1934
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:46,439
Speaker 7: have to play another road game as well. I can't

1935
01:37:46,479 --> 01:37:49,160
Speaker 7: remember off the top of my head. So you you've

1936
01:37:49,240 --> 01:37:52,960
Speaker 7: gotta get one of these at the very least, and

1937
01:37:53,000 --> 01:37:55,760
Speaker 7: you've got to just prove to your guys that you

1938
01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:59,759
Speaker 7: can be a good team. And they did that against Dayton.

1939
01:38:00,320 --> 01:38:03,200
Speaker 7: Not world beaters by any means that their a quality program.

1940
01:38:03,640 --> 01:38:05,800
Speaker 7: But if you go on and lose the Georgia and

1941
01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:08,879
Speaker 7: Clemson and then you're looking at a Big twelve gauntlet,

1942
01:38:08,920 --> 01:38:12,840
Speaker 7: which you've struggled with in the past two seasons. I

1943
01:38:12,840 --> 01:38:14,760
Speaker 7: don't know where the wins come from. I don't I

1944
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:17,160
Speaker 7: don't know where the streets come from to kind of

1945
01:38:17,160 --> 01:38:18,080
Speaker 7: build that confidence.

1946
01:38:18,439 --> 01:38:20,600
Speaker 4: If I were to say, okay, tell me, tell me,

1947
01:38:20,640 --> 01:38:22,519
Speaker 4: why tell me what you've seen from this team that

1948
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:24,360
Speaker 4: I can say, Okay, they're going to get better. I

1949
01:38:24,360 --> 01:38:26,439
Speaker 4: want to I want to believe what wes Miller is saying.

1950
01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:29,599
Speaker 4: I want to believe that that these losses are going

1951
01:38:29,640 --> 01:38:31,519
Speaker 4: to help them in the future. But have you seen

1952
01:38:32,240 --> 01:38:34,679
Speaker 4: stuff in the non conference at this point that leads

1953
01:38:34,680 --> 01:38:36,960
Speaker 4: you to believe that they can find a way to

1954
01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:40,519
Speaker 4: compete in the Big twelve or it's it again. It's

1955
01:38:40,560 --> 01:38:42,000
Speaker 4: one thing to want to believe it. You also have

1956
01:38:42,040 --> 01:38:45,240
Speaker 4: to see the indications of that with the team. Have

1957
01:38:45,320 --> 01:38:47,600
Speaker 4: you seen things that this team can build upon to

1958
01:38:47,960 --> 01:38:48,880
Speaker 4: be more successful?

1959
01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:56,680
Speaker 7: Not really. I think if Boba Miller can return to

1960
01:38:56,840 --> 01:39:00,559
Speaker 7: form with how he was playing before Louisville, which wes

1961
01:39:00,640 --> 01:39:02,800
Speaker 7: Miller said was some of the best basketballers ever played

1962
01:39:02,800 --> 01:39:05,880
Speaker 7: in his life, I think there's some promise there. But

1963
01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:09,240
Speaker 7: I also think that the issues are kind of deeper seated,

1964
01:39:09,439 --> 01:39:12,160
Speaker 7: so I don't really see it. I think this is

1965
01:39:12,200 --> 01:39:15,599
Speaker 7: a team that is not good at three point shooting,

1966
01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:19,400
Speaker 7: that basically relies on three point shooting to score, and

1967
01:39:19,479 --> 01:39:23,240
Speaker 7: that's just never a great plan. So it's it's a

1968
01:39:23,280 --> 01:39:26,479
Speaker 7: struggle right now. It's going to be a struggle. So

1969
01:39:27,200 --> 01:39:31,800
Speaker 7: I haven't really seen it. The rebounding is there sometimes,

1970
01:39:31,800 --> 01:39:35,240
Speaker 7: but it's inconsistent, right, And you just don't see And

1971
01:39:35,400 --> 01:39:37,559
Speaker 7: I don't want to bring up Nick Cronin, but you

1972
01:39:37,600 --> 01:39:41,120
Speaker 7: don't see that kind of play hard and you have

1973
01:39:41,200 --> 01:39:45,640
Speaker 7: no other choice attitude, and I think it's hurting them

1974
01:39:45,720 --> 01:39:48,599
Speaker 7: right now. So I don't really see it. I don't

1975
01:39:48,600 --> 01:39:53,120
Speaker 7: see the consistency. And it feels like you need Shana

1976
01:39:53,120 --> 01:39:55,640
Speaker 7: Biak and stuff of Tom and Balba Miller all to

1977
01:39:55,680 --> 01:39:58,040
Speaker 7: come along in order to kind of see that build up.

1978
01:39:58,400 --> 01:40:00,559
Speaker 7: And it's going to be hard for that to happen.

1979
01:40:01,800 --> 01:40:04,360
Speaker 4: That is Keegan nickoson Bearcat Journal dot com. How many

1980
01:40:04,439 --> 01:40:06,400
Speaker 4: days do you plan on getting down to Memphis in

1981
01:40:06,439 --> 01:40:09,600
Speaker 4: advance to take in the sites and the sounds of

1982
01:40:09,600 --> 01:40:11,679
Speaker 4: the city. You're going to Graceland or are you playing

1983
01:40:11,720 --> 01:40:12,840
Speaker 4: on spending a week down there?

1984
01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:13,640
Speaker 5: What does that look like?

1985
01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:16,680
Speaker 7: I think I'm just in a camp outside of the

1986
01:40:16,720 --> 01:40:20,559
Speaker 7: booming metropolis of Liberty Stadium, and I'll take a ten

1987
01:40:20,600 --> 01:40:22,679
Speaker 7: out there and get down there three days early, smart,

1988
01:40:22,840 --> 01:40:24,040
Speaker 7: just to make sure I'm the first one in the

1989
01:40:24,040 --> 01:40:24,599
Speaker 7: press box.

1990
01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:25,480
Speaker 5: Smart.

1991
01:40:25,960 --> 01:40:30,200
Speaker 4: Until then, Bearcats against the Georgia Bulldogs Saturday. That is

1992
01:40:30,280 --> 01:40:33,439
Speaker 4: next that is Keegan nickoson Keegan, what's the easiest way

1993
01:40:33,439 --> 01:40:35,799
Speaker 4: to follow along with your Bearcat content on Bearcat Journal?

1994
01:40:37,320 --> 01:40:39,120
Speaker 7: Following me at Kane nick Iss some pretty two on

1995
01:40:39,400 --> 01:40:42,080
Speaker 7: X and then make sure you're subscribe to Barcut Journal.

1996
01:40:42,680 --> 01:40:44,839
Speaker 7: I'm gonna have a bunch of stuff up for Georgia

1997
01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:47,400
Speaker 7: here soon, and then we'll have transfer portal coverage for

1998
01:40:47,439 --> 01:40:49,920
Speaker 7: the football team coming over the next few weeks.

1999
01:40:50,080 --> 01:40:51,519
Speaker 5: Is your brother also an Indiana fan?

2000
01:40:53,040 --> 01:40:54,880
Speaker 7: No, absolutely not. He's a Bearcats fan.

2001
01:40:55,400 --> 01:40:59,480
Speaker 5: Smart, we die smart. It's the wrong answer, Keegan.

2002
01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:02,519
Speaker 7: Is it is? He? Is he smart? Yes?

2003
01:41:03,040 --> 01:41:06,000
Speaker 4: Absolutely, through thick and thin, fight to the finish, never

2004
01:41:06,080 --> 01:41:06,360
Speaker 4: give in.

2005
01:41:06,479 --> 01:41:07,120
Speaker 7: Kee got.

2006
01:41:09,120 --> 01:41:11,280
Speaker 4: Crazy after Keegan came at the Buckeyes. This is a

2007
01:41:11,400 --> 01:41:13,000
Speaker 4: this is a crazy way to start and stop here.

2008
01:41:13,120 --> 01:41:14,439
Speaker 4: Ken's got to stick together.

2009
01:41:14,680 --> 01:41:17,320
Speaker 5: Oh boy, Yeah, that's what Cheryl Moore is saying right now.

2010
01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:23,599
Speaker 4: Uh, thank you, thank you, King, appreciate the time. It's

2011
01:41:23,680 --> 01:41:26,320
Speaker 4: Keegan Nickas and Bearcat Journal dot com. What do you

2012
01:41:26,320 --> 01:41:27,960
Speaker 4: say we read and react here when we get back off.

2013
01:41:28,040 --> 01:41:29,679
Speaker 5: I'm in favor of it. I already got the first

2014
01:41:29,680 --> 01:41:33,000
Speaker 5: one dialed up. ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.

2015
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Speaker 3: Dack are you ready.

2016
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Speaker 2: Now we read and react on Tony Pike sincey three sixteen.

2017
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Speaker 5: How about that they react a little bit, got that new, new,

2018
01:41:49,880 --> 01:41:52,599
Speaker 5: new new, welcome back.

2019
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Speaker 4: This is our number three since he three sixty, real

2020
01:41:56,520 --> 01:41:59,040
Speaker 4: quick before we get into red and react. Another positive sign,

2021
01:41:59,080 --> 01:42:01,920
Speaker 4: at least they I'm seeing videos from the practice field

2022
01:42:03,120 --> 01:42:06,719
Speaker 4: and Shamar Stewart and T Higgins are both practicing. Tea

2023
01:42:06,800 --> 01:42:09,360
Speaker 4: is dressed for practice again today, which I think is

2024
01:42:09,400 --> 01:42:13,679
Speaker 4: still surprising to me. It's got to be a good sign. Again,

2025
01:42:13,680 --> 01:42:15,559
Speaker 4: you don't want to read too much into it. I'm

2026
01:42:15,560 --> 01:42:17,559
Speaker 4: sure we'll get an update after practice as well. But

2027
01:42:17,600 --> 01:42:21,200
Speaker 4: T Higgins is out there again practicing with the team today.

2028
01:42:21,200 --> 01:42:23,640
Speaker 4: They're practicing outside and rightfully so, Austin. It's gonna be

2029
01:42:23,680 --> 01:42:26,920
Speaker 4: like one degree outside on Sunday, be frigid. It is

2030
01:42:27,000 --> 01:42:28,400
Speaker 4: going to be cold on Sunday.

2031
01:42:28,479 --> 01:42:33,240
Speaker 5: I also saw that the Browns go to Chicago this

2032
01:42:33,320 --> 01:42:36,720
Speaker 5: weekend and the wind shill is expected to be in

2033
01:42:36,800 --> 01:42:40,800
Speaker 5: the negative tens to teens. Wow, which is going to

2034
01:42:40,840 --> 01:42:44,639
Speaker 5: be one of the coldest games in Soldier field history

2035
01:42:44,840 --> 01:42:47,560
Speaker 5: ten believe it or not to teams negative tens to

2036
01:42:47,640 --> 01:42:50,640
Speaker 5: teams heikes due to that wind Shill coming up off

2037
01:42:50,720 --> 01:42:51,080
Speaker 5: the lake.

2038
01:42:51,160 --> 01:42:51,400
Speaker 7: There.

2039
01:42:51,800 --> 01:42:54,519
Speaker 4: Well, we had that fancy new intro. Yeah, let's do it.

2040
01:42:54,520 --> 01:42:55,519
Speaker 4: Then let's read and react.

2041
01:42:55,560 --> 01:42:59,240
Speaker 5: All right, here we go. These are insights brought to

2042
01:42:59,280 --> 01:43:02,200
Speaker 5: you by a good friend. NFL Next Gen Stats. All right,

2043
01:43:02,800 --> 01:43:08,000
Speaker 5: Bengals at or Bengals hosting the Ravens Tony. The Bengals

2044
01:43:08,040 --> 01:43:12,439
Speaker 5: have used eleven personnel on seventy point six percent of

2045
01:43:12,479 --> 01:43:16,400
Speaker 5: their offensive snaps this season, the second highest rate in

2046
01:43:16,439 --> 01:43:21,280
Speaker 5: the NFL, but their second lowest mark in seven seasons

2047
01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:25,200
Speaker 5: under Zach Taylor. In the two games since Burrow returned

2048
01:43:25,200 --> 01:43:29,280
Speaker 5: from injury, however, Cincinnati has used eleven personnel on just

2049
01:43:29,400 --> 01:43:33,240
Speaker 5: sixty percent of snaps, while increasing its usage of twelve

2050
01:43:33,280 --> 01:43:37,240
Speaker 5: personnel to thirty six percent of the time. That includes

2051
01:43:37,280 --> 01:43:40,679
Speaker 5: a thirty nine percent rate in Week fourteen against the Bills,

2052
01:43:41,080 --> 01:43:45,080
Speaker 5: their second highest share of twelve personnel this season. Outside

2053
01:43:45,120 --> 01:43:49,519
Speaker 5: of eleven personnel, twelve is the only personnel grouping the Bengals,

2054
01:43:49,560 --> 01:43:52,400
Speaker 5: you have used more than ten snaps this season.

2055
01:43:53,000 --> 01:43:57,360
Speaker 4: I think it's more because of the injuries this team

2056
01:43:57,400 --> 01:43:59,760
Speaker 4: has faced. You know, Mike Kasicki has been out for

2057
01:44:00,040 --> 01:44:03,679
Speaker 4: quite some time. I think again, and I truly believe

2058
01:44:03,720 --> 01:44:06,439
Speaker 4: this when all is healthy, I think the Bengals do

2059
01:44:06,439 --> 01:44:08,640
Speaker 4: want to operate more out of twelve personnel, and I

2060
01:44:08,640 --> 01:44:10,080
Speaker 4: think that's why you've seen a little bit of an

2061
01:44:10,120 --> 01:44:12,479
Speaker 4: uptick since Joe Burrow returned. Why it's a little safer

2062
01:44:12,479 --> 01:44:15,040
Speaker 4: for Joe Burrow, but also you're starting to get healthier

2063
01:44:15,040 --> 01:44:16,840
Speaker 4: at the tight end position as well. We saw that

2064
01:44:16,880 --> 01:44:19,040
Speaker 4: with Mike Kasiki and the monster game he had against

2065
01:44:19,040 --> 01:44:22,679
Speaker 4: the Buffalo Bills, and the ability for this team to run.

2066
01:44:23,000 --> 01:44:25,639
Speaker 4: When the tight ends can both be active in twelve

2067
01:44:25,720 --> 01:44:28,599
Speaker 4: personnel and you're getting the production out of Chase Brown,

2068
01:44:28,680 --> 01:44:32,280
Speaker 4: it just puts the defense in a lot more compromise situations.

2069
01:44:32,280 --> 01:44:34,360
Speaker 4: We talked about this going into the year. Out of

2070
01:44:34,400 --> 01:44:37,639
Speaker 4: the twelve personnel, do you match that personnel with your

2071
01:44:37,640 --> 01:44:39,600
Speaker 4: heavy personnel and then you feel like you got a

2072
01:44:39,640 --> 01:44:41,880
Speaker 4: little bit more of an athleticism advantage at tight end

2073
01:44:42,439 --> 01:44:45,200
Speaker 4: or do you stay small and quick and then you

2074
01:44:45,240 --> 01:44:46,479
Speaker 4: feel like you have more of an advantage in the

2075
01:44:46,560 --> 01:44:50,040
Speaker 4: running game. So I know the number of eleven personnel

2076
01:44:50,040 --> 01:44:52,080
Speaker 4: snaps is high. I think that's more attributed to the

2077
01:44:52,080 --> 01:44:54,200
Speaker 4: fact that the tight ends have just not all been

2078
01:44:54,240 --> 01:44:55,920
Speaker 4: healthy at the same time as they are now and

2079
01:44:55,960 --> 01:44:57,240
Speaker 4: now they do want to run out of more.

2080
01:44:57,280 --> 01:45:02,759
Speaker 5: Twelve Raven's quarterback Lamar Jackson has been sacked on twenty

2081
01:45:02,760 --> 01:45:06,200
Speaker 5: five percent of the pressures he's faced this season. That's

2082
01:45:06,240 --> 01:45:09,040
Speaker 5: the highest rate of his career and the fourth highest

2083
01:45:09,040 --> 01:45:12,600
Speaker 5: in the NFL. Last season, he was sacked on just

2084
01:45:12,680 --> 01:45:15,720
Speaker 5: twelve percent of those pressures, the lowest mark of his

2085
01:45:15,760 --> 01:45:19,360
Speaker 5: career and the sixth lowest in the league. Under pressure,

2086
01:45:19,439 --> 01:45:23,200
Speaker 5: this year, Jackson has scrambled only twenty eight point four

2087
01:45:23,240 --> 01:45:27,080
Speaker 5: percent of his dropbacks, the second lowest rate of his career.

2088
01:45:27,439 --> 01:45:30,800
Speaker 4: That last bit there is I think what stands out

2089
01:45:30,840 --> 01:45:34,120
Speaker 4: the most, and there has to be you watch enough

2090
01:45:34,160 --> 01:45:37,200
Speaker 4: Lamar Jackson, there has to be something that's prohibiting him

2091
01:45:37,400 --> 01:45:39,639
Speaker 4: from being the runner that he wants to be, because

2092
01:45:39,720 --> 01:45:44,599
Speaker 4: I don't think the pressure has changed much in years past.

2093
01:45:45,000 --> 01:45:47,320
Speaker 4: He's able to elude the pressure and he becomes a runner.

2094
01:45:47,880 --> 01:45:51,040
Speaker 4: For whatever reason, he's not been as willing of a

2095
01:45:51,120 --> 01:45:55,200
Speaker 4: runner this year. So under pressure, if you're not trying

2096
01:45:55,240 --> 01:45:59,000
Speaker 4: to scramble, well, then the next obvious cases you're going

2097
01:45:59,040 --> 01:46:01,320
Speaker 4: to be sacked. I think that's why you see those

2098
01:46:01,439 --> 01:46:04,240
Speaker 4: numbers on the sacks for Lamar Jackson. I don't think

2099
01:46:04,320 --> 01:46:07,200
Speaker 4: it's anything crazy in the offensive line. I think it's

2100
01:46:07,240 --> 01:46:09,439
Speaker 4: much of what we've seen in the past. It's just

2101
01:46:09,479 --> 01:46:13,519
Speaker 4: a Lamar's ability or inability or willingness to move and

2102
01:46:13,720 --> 01:46:16,120
Speaker 4: use his legs. He just hasn't seemed to want to

2103
01:46:16,120 --> 01:46:17,680
Speaker 4: do that this year, and I think injuries have a

2104
01:46:17,760 --> 01:46:18,400
Speaker 4: lot to play in that.

2105
01:46:19,200 --> 01:46:22,800
Speaker 5: The Bengals have run between the tackles on sixty two

2106
01:46:22,920 --> 01:46:26,479
Speaker 5: point four percent of their designed runs as a team

2107
01:46:26,520 --> 01:46:30,080
Speaker 5: this season. That's the highest rate in the National Football League.

2108
01:46:30,560 --> 01:46:34,320
Speaker 5: On these plays, Bengals ballcarriers have been contacted behind the

2109
01:46:34,320 --> 01:46:38,880
Speaker 5: line of scrimmage at the sixth lowest rate thirty five percent,

2110
01:46:39,280 --> 01:46:42,240
Speaker 5: while only being stuffed for a loss or no gain

2111
01:46:42,800 --> 01:46:46,320
Speaker 5: on nine point eight percent of their carries, the lowest

2112
01:46:46,479 --> 01:46:50,120
Speaker 5: rate in the NFL and the only offense with a

2113
01:46:50,200 --> 01:46:51,479
Speaker 5: rate below ten percent.

2114
01:46:52,000 --> 01:46:53,799
Speaker 4: I think that speaks to what they have in the middle,

2115
01:46:54,479 --> 01:46:58,960
Speaker 4: whether that's Reisner, whether that's fair Child, whether that's Ted Carris.

2116
01:46:59,000 --> 01:47:02,120
Speaker 4: If you're running in between the tackles, I think you're

2117
01:47:02,160 --> 01:47:05,240
Speaker 4: a run first or a punch in the mouth type

2118
01:47:05,240 --> 01:47:08,720
Speaker 4: of team. The ability to not be hit for a

2119
01:47:08,760 --> 01:47:12,400
Speaker 4: loss or no gain on under ten percent, that's extremely impressive.

2120
01:47:12,400 --> 01:47:14,760
Speaker 4: That's kudos to the offensive line, to Scott Peters the

2121
01:47:14,800 --> 01:47:17,800
Speaker 4: techniques that he's teaching. The growth of Chase Brown has

2122
01:47:17,840 --> 01:47:20,280
Speaker 4: a lot to do with that, But so much about

2123
01:47:20,600 --> 01:47:22,960
Speaker 4: the running game in the NFL. Too many times, if

2124
01:47:22,960 --> 01:47:24,799
Speaker 4: you don't have the personnel, you want to go outside,

2125
01:47:24,800 --> 01:47:26,760
Speaker 4: you want to try to hit the home runs. The

2126
01:47:26,800 --> 01:47:30,040
Speaker 4: Bengals have found their niche. It's in between the tackles.

2127
01:47:30,360 --> 01:47:32,960
Speaker 4: It's power running. It's understanding that the runs don't have

2128
01:47:33,000 --> 01:47:35,519
Speaker 4: to go for thirty yards, but those in between tackle

2129
01:47:35,600 --> 01:47:39,559
Speaker 4: runs that go for four, five six yards are very

2130
01:47:39,600 --> 01:47:41,439
Speaker 4: effective for this offense under Joe Burrow.

2131
01:47:42,240 --> 01:47:45,879
Speaker 5: Since Trey Hendrickson's absence beginning in Week nine, the Bengals

2132
01:47:45,880 --> 01:47:49,200
Speaker 5: have recorded a thirty six point three percent pressure rate,

2133
01:47:49,640 --> 01:47:53,719
Speaker 5: up from twenty seven point two percent when Hendrickson was healthy.

2134
01:47:54,360 --> 01:47:57,320
Speaker 5: The biggest shift has been there blitz usage. Bengals have

2135
01:47:57,400 --> 01:48:00,880
Speaker 5: blitzed on twenty six point eight percent of dropbacksink nine,

2136
01:48:01,240 --> 01:48:05,200
Speaker 5: nearly ten percentage points higher than their league low seventeen

2137
01:48:05,280 --> 01:48:07,920
Speaker 5: point one percent blitz rate over the first eight weeks.

2138
01:48:08,439 --> 01:48:11,519
Speaker 5: Over that span, the Bengals have generated a forty nine

2139
01:48:11,600 --> 01:48:15,200
Speaker 5: percent pressure rate win blitzing seventh highest in the league.

2140
01:48:15,720 --> 01:48:19,000
Speaker 5: Despite the recent increase, the Bengals have still blitzed on

2141
01:48:19,120 --> 01:48:22,439
Speaker 5: just twenty point nine percent of dropbacks this season, the

2142
01:48:22,520 --> 01:48:26,280
Speaker 5: lowest rate in the NFL. In their Thanksgiving matchup against

2143
01:48:26,320 --> 01:48:29,479
Speaker 5: the Ravens, the Bengals generated a thirty nine point five

2144
01:48:29,560 --> 01:48:33,200
Speaker 5: percent pressure rate, the second highest of their season, while

2145
01:48:33,200 --> 01:48:36,679
Speaker 5: blitzing on twenty eight point nine percent of dropbacks, their

2146
01:48:36,760 --> 01:48:38,320
Speaker 5: third highest rate this year.

2147
01:48:38,560 --> 01:48:41,400
Speaker 4: The most fascinating part about that is you talked about

2148
01:48:41,400 --> 01:48:45,799
Speaker 4: how much more they're blitzing, and despite that, they've still

2149
01:48:45,840 --> 01:48:49,400
Speaker 4: blitzed the lowest rate in the NFL. Yeah, that goes

2150
01:48:49,400 --> 01:48:51,880
Speaker 4: to show how little they were pressuring early in the year.

2151
01:48:52,280 --> 01:48:54,479
Speaker 4: And I will at least give credit to Al Golden

2152
01:48:54,520 --> 01:48:56,840
Speaker 4: on that. It feels like they've made a shift to

2153
01:48:56,880 --> 01:48:58,880
Speaker 4: say we are going to pressure more. We're not gonna

2154
01:48:58,880 --> 01:49:01,519
Speaker 4: sit back. We know we're not a great tackling team.

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Speaker 4: We know we're not the best at safety on the

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Speaker 4: back end. The only way we can find any semblance

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Speaker 4: of success is if we dial up some pressures and

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Speaker 4: get home. They were able to get home against the

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Speaker 4: Baltimore Ravens. There's nothing that leads me to believe against

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Speaker 4: the Ravens and that offensive line in Lamar Jackson that

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Speaker 4: we just talked about the pressure rate, there's no reason

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01:49:19,439 --> 01:49:21,160
Speaker 4: that would lead you to believe they don't dial up

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01:49:21,200 --> 01:49:24,599
Speaker 4: more pressures on Sunday. I would expect more pressure from

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01:49:24,640 --> 01:49:27,720
Speaker 4: the Bengals defensively and Al Golden on Sunday than we

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Speaker 4: saw on that Thanksgiving matchup as well.

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Speaker 5: The Bengals defense has faced a four man surface at

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Speaker 5: the second highest rate thirty percent, and allowed the fourth

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Speaker 5: most rushing yards per carry five point one from this set.

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Speaker 5: This season, Forty seven point two percent of four man

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Speaker 5: surface runs against the Bengals have increased the offense's expected points,

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01:49:53,760 --> 01:49:56,880
Speaker 5: while eleven point three percent of carriers from this look

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01:49:57,040 --> 01:49:58,320
Speaker 5: have gained ten plus.

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Speaker 4: Yards man the four man service run, that's an unbalanced

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Speaker 4: line for those So you're taking an extra lineman and

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Speaker 4: you're putting him on one side, creating an unbalanced in

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Speaker 4: that line. A lot of this autome. I think of

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Speaker 4: what the Pittsburgh Steelers do against the Bengals. You think

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Speaker 4: of those heavy sets, You think of Darnell Washington and

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Speaker 4: things like that. The biggest thing for me in a

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Speaker 4: four man service run is how are you shifting and

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Speaker 4: how are you adjusting to it? And the fact that

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Speaker 4: those numbers are where they are for the Bengals, it

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Speaker 4: tells me that they're not shifting properly, nor do they

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Speaker 4: have the personnel to shift properly. It makes me wonder,

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Speaker 4: because these insights, these analytics are available to every team

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Speaker 4: in the NFL. Has the Baltimore Ravens got away from

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01:50:42,920 --> 01:50:44,240
Speaker 4: Dereck Henry too much this year?

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Speaker 5: And if so?

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Speaker 4: Do you look at Lamar's last at it against the Bengals,

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Speaker 4: You look at what Derek Henry is, You look at

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01:50:52,200 --> 01:50:54,920
Speaker 4: what the weather's going to be on Sunday. Is this

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Speaker 4: a game where you see some unbalanced from the Baltimore

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01:50:57,400 --> 01:51:00,439
Speaker 4: Ravens and pound the ball to Derrick Henry. That would

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Speaker 4: be my game plan if I were the Ravens coming

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Speaker 4: in offensively against this Bengals defense.

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Speaker 5: Last one, Jamar Chase matched up with both Marlon Humphrey

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Speaker 5: and Chittabay Owuzia on twelve snaps each in their Thanksgiving

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Speaker 5: meeting earlier this season. Against Humphrey, Chase was targeted five

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Speaker 5: times and caught three passes for sixty six yards. Against Ouzia,

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01:51:23,600 --> 01:51:27,839
Speaker 5: he caught two of four targets for sixteen yards. Last season,

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Speaker 5: Chase primarily faced Brandon Stevens in their matchup with the Ravens,

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Speaker 5: who is no longer on the team, while Humphrey was

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01:51:35,479 --> 01:51:39,280
Speaker 5: in coverage for sixteen snaps and Nate Wiggins for fifteen.

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Speaker 4: This just goes this is the greatness of Jamar Chase.

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Speaker 4: I don't even care about Marlon Humphrey or o Woozia

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Speaker 4: or who else did you mention Brandon Stevens or anyone.

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Speaker 4: That's the greatness of Jamar Chase. If you're going to

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01:51:51,640 --> 01:51:53,920
Speaker 4: match up one on one with Jamar Chase, he's going

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Speaker 4: to win more often than not. It's what has led,

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Speaker 4: in my opinion, to these explosive games that we've seen

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Speaker 4: between the Baltimore Ravens and the Cincinnati Bengals. I don't

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Speaker 4: have the number in front of me, but can imagine

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Speaker 4: the total points that have put up in these matchups.

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Speaker 4: What this Bengals offense has been able to do that

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01:52:12,439 --> 01:52:15,280
Speaker 4: to me is because there hasn't been an answer on

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Speaker 4: the Ravens side, or to that point, the Bengals side,

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Speaker 4: in slowing down either one of these offenses. I always

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Speaker 4: expect when it's the Baltimore Ravens, for Jamar Chase to

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Speaker 4: show up in a big way, for Joe Burrow to

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01:52:26,800 --> 01:52:29,479
Speaker 4: show up in a big way, and I don't expect

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Speaker 4: that to be any more different.

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Speaker 5: I pulled it up right here.

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Speaker 4: Bengals and Ravens Austin have combined for fifty two point

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Speaker 4: nine points per game in eight matchups that Joe Burrow

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Speaker 4: and Lamar Jackson started. It's almost fifty three points a

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01:52:40,280 --> 01:52:42,960
Speaker 4: game combined when those two quarterbacks are on the field.

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Speaker 4: It helps with the Cincinnati Bengals when they got Jamar

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Speaker 4: Chase to throw the ball to as well. Do you

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01:52:48,000 --> 01:52:50,959
Speaker 4: have to play an out? This has been the react

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Speaker 4: and react, react, react, very good.

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Speaker 5: Let's take a break. Do we in an empty room?

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Speaker 5: There's an echo?

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Speaker 4: There is an echo in here. Phone lines are open

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Speaker 4: five one, three, seven, four nine, fifteen thirty. We'll talk

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Speaker 4: to you and more next on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati

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Speaker 4: Sports Station.

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Speaker 5: The holidays can get expensive.

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Speaker 7: But.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back thanks to Penn Station. Since he three to sixty.

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Speaker 4: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Let's take this moment

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Speaker 4: Austin one final time today. Let's go to our phone lines.

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Speaker 4: Rodney is calling in what's up Rodney?

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Speaker 7: Hey, guys love the show.

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Speaker 5: Thank you?

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Speaker 11: Just one two quick things.

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Speaker 7: At times, Zach just doesn't seem to me like he's

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01:53:39,120 --> 01:53:43,160
Speaker 7: learned his lesson AFC North football. I wanted him to run.

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Speaker 16: There's times when just take the points to run the

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01:53:46,200 --> 01:53:48,639
Speaker 16: ball when they had the pick.

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Speaker 7: Sticks last week. And then the other thing I had

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Speaker 7: was for Mimi. If Pittsford wins one more time, do

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01:53:59,320 --> 01:54:04,200
Speaker 7: they get wrists or room for Miami or Pittsford Miami?

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Speaker 4: If if the if the Bengals all right, Ronnie, thanks,

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Speaker 4: I want to hold you up. If the Bengals, the

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Speaker 4: Bengals win their final four, which would include a win

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Speaker 4: over the Ravens, Ravens would then need to go two

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Speaker 4: and two in their final four, and you need Pittsburgh

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01:54:24,160 --> 01:54:26,120
Speaker 4: to go one and three. So you're rooting for the

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01:54:26,240 --> 01:54:28,479
Speaker 4: Steelers and the Ravens to lose as much as possible

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Speaker 4: while the Bengals win. Now, many may be out there

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Speaker 4: Austin that say, it's just been so much football today.

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Speaker 4: Can you give us some hope with the Reds? Can

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01:54:37,080 --> 01:54:39,120
Speaker 4: you can you shine a light on what's going on? Well,

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01:54:39,640 --> 01:54:42,000
Speaker 4: allow me to read what Jeff Passon had to say

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Speaker 4: about the Reds.

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Speaker 5: Have you seen this? I can only imagine so.

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01:54:47,720 --> 01:54:52,160
Speaker 4: Jeff Passing was asked about the biggest winner and the

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Speaker 4: biggest loser in Major League Baseball during the Winter meetings.

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Speaker 4: He said this of Cincinnati. Free agents like schwarber Ilk

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01:55:02,880 --> 01:55:05,960
Speaker 4: or free agents of Schwarber's ilk rarely entertained the idea

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Speaker 4: of going to small market teams, but the Reds had

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01:55:08,760 --> 01:55:12,040
Speaker 4: a built in advantage. He was from there. Considering the

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01:55:12,080 --> 01:55:16,400
Speaker 4: scarcity of such possibilities, the Reds, one big bat away

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01:55:16,480 --> 01:55:18,760
Speaker 4: from being a real threat to win the EnL Central

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01:55:19,320 --> 01:55:23,880
Speaker 4: needed to treat Schwarber's potential arrival with urgency and embraced

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01:55:24,200 --> 01:55:28,800
Speaker 4: their inner spend thrift. They had the money to place

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01:55:28,840 --> 01:55:32,960
Speaker 4: the largest bid. They chose not to, and they missed

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01:55:33,680 --> 01:55:37,800
Speaker 4: a true shame considering the strength of the rotation and

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01:55:37,880 --> 01:55:42,960
Speaker 4: the likelihood that similar opportunities won't find them again any

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01:55:43,040 --> 01:55:47,640
Speaker 4: time soon. Correct, Yeah, I mean they're the biggest loser

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Speaker 4: in Major League Baseball right now.

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Speaker 5: I basically wrote the same thing when in Sports illustrated

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01:55:52,040 --> 01:55:53,800
Speaker 5: a couple of days ago. It's as if not now,

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01:55:53,880 --> 01:55:57,880
Speaker 5: then win. This is your best opportunity to put together

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01:55:57,920 --> 01:56:05,600
Speaker 5: a competitive ball club, and they willingly and knowingly low

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01:56:05,640 --> 01:56:09,800
Speaker 5: balled Kyle Schwarber. And I'm sure in the meeting probably

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01:56:09,840 --> 01:56:13,960
Speaker 5: played up the idea that he could be this hometown

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01:56:14,080 --> 01:56:17,640
Speaker 5: hero and you'll take a discount and our fans will

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01:56:17,680 --> 01:56:20,480
Speaker 5: love you forever and you'll be lauded. And if you

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Speaker 5: just you know, you know, we're not like Philly, We're

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01:56:23,680 --> 01:56:25,760
Speaker 5: not like so and so. We don't have the money

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01:56:25,760 --> 01:56:28,200
Speaker 5: that those teams do. No wing damn well they do.

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01:56:28,680 --> 01:56:31,440
Speaker 5: Kyle Schwarber is not an idiot. I'm sure that he

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01:56:31,520 --> 01:56:33,640
Speaker 5: knows exactly what's going on, and he's got friends and

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01:56:33,680 --> 01:56:35,680
Speaker 5: family here that have to deal with the Reds nonsense

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01:56:35,720 --> 01:56:39,440
Speaker 5: every single year. He's not stupid. I'm sure the Red's

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01:56:39,440 --> 01:56:41,400
Speaker 5: probably laid it on thick to try to, you know,

2298
01:56:41,440 --> 01:56:43,960
Speaker 5: make it sound like, you know, he can be this

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01:56:44,680 --> 01:56:47,360
Speaker 5: all time great hero for the Reds if he takes

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01:56:47,440 --> 01:56:49,040
Speaker 5: less money and he's like.

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Speaker 4: No, you got the money to pay me, than pay me.

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Speaker 4: Ben Verlander is also an MLB analyst. He outlined yesterday

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01:56:57,160 --> 01:57:01,240
Speaker 4: there were four offers in for Kyle Schwarber. The Orioles

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01:57:01,920 --> 01:57:06,160
Speaker 4: matched the Phillies with their offer, so the most the

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01:57:06,280 --> 01:57:09,839
Speaker 4: longest contract what he ended up going with the Phillies

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01:57:10,000 --> 01:57:12,040
Speaker 4: that was matched exactly by the Orioles. So it was

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01:57:12,040 --> 01:57:13,600
Speaker 4: easy for the Oriols to turn around and say, Okay,

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01:57:13,600 --> 01:57:16,000
Speaker 4: we'll get pet A Lonzo. How about this, though, Austin,

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01:57:16,360 --> 01:57:21,320
Speaker 4: the Pittsburgh Pirates had the highest annual value. Now, the

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01:57:21,320 --> 01:57:24,879
Speaker 4: Pittsburgh offer was only four years, but their value annually

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01:57:24,960 --> 01:57:28,120
Speaker 4: was higher than any of the other four teams, Ben Verlander,

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01:57:28,280 --> 01:57:30,760
Speaker 4: as you've said, and many have said, the perfect fit,

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01:57:30,800 --> 01:57:33,640
Speaker 4: the hometown guy and the low ball offer came from

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01:57:33,680 --> 01:57:38,280
Speaker 4: the Reds. It just on so many levels as maddening.

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Speaker 5: There's also a report out there from Bob Nightingale that

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01:57:40,720 --> 01:57:45,320
Speaker 5: says the Reds could get up to the same offer

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01:57:45,360 --> 01:57:47,840
Speaker 5: as Philadelphia. I don't buy that. I don't believe it.

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01:57:48,360 --> 01:57:51,280
Speaker 5: I do not believe that to be true whatsoever.

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01:57:51,440 --> 01:57:51,600
Speaker 7: Yep.

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Speaker 5: I'm sure there were incentives. I'm sure there was deferred money.

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Speaker 5: I'm sure there was a path for him to, you know,

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01:57:58,960 --> 01:58:02,640
Speaker 5: explore get close to that, yep. But it was never

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01:58:02,840 --> 01:58:04,720
Speaker 5: just front and dry as hey, you come play for us,

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01:58:04,800 --> 01:58:08,080
Speaker 5: we'll pay you this. Yeah, And it's a shame, and

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Speaker 5: you know, I I don't know, like what else we

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01:58:14,280 --> 01:58:17,280
Speaker 5: can say no, because now they'll pivot and they'll try

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01:58:17,320 --> 01:58:20,000
Speaker 5: to make some stupid move and they'll try to convince

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Speaker 5: everybody that they're trying. When that's out the window, it's

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01:58:24,480 --> 01:58:27,760
Speaker 5: it's over. Like you had your opportunity and you blew

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01:58:27,760 --> 01:58:31,680
Speaker 5: it and no one takes you seriously. And I'm glad

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01:58:31,720 --> 01:58:33,720
Speaker 5: that the Reds are getting raked through the coals by

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01:58:33,760 --> 01:58:37,400
Speaker 5: the national media because they've been such an irrelevant franchise

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01:58:37,440 --> 01:58:40,280
Speaker 5: for the last thirty years that nobody's cared enough to

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01:58:40,360 --> 01:58:45,480
Speaker 5: actually criticize them. And now finally they're getting reprimanded by

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01:58:45,520 --> 01:58:47,960
Speaker 5: the national media the way that they should be, because

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01:58:47,960 --> 01:58:49,600
Speaker 5: they are a joke of a franchise.

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Speaker 4: Yep, it is uh, it's time to break. We don't

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Speaker 4: get mulwagger for quick hits, so we will finish up

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Speaker 4: today's edition of Sincy three to sixty next right here

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Speaker 4: in the Home of the Bengals ESBN fifteen thirty Cincinnati

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Speaker 4: Sports Das.

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Speaker 2: Now it's time for quick hits on Tony Pikes Sincy

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Speaker 2: three sixty.

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Speaker 5: Welcome back.

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01:59:18,280 --> 01:59:21,040
Speaker 4: It is quick kits since he three to sixty thanks

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01:59:21,080 --> 01:59:23,440
Speaker 4: to Penn Station. Here's what I did, Austin I text

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01:59:23,520 --> 01:59:26,600
Speaker 4: Moeger was looking for Mo. He's not here, but his

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01:59:26,680 --> 01:59:28,120
Speaker 4: show's coming up, And I said, Moe, what do you

2349
01:59:28,160 --> 01:59:29,520
Speaker 4: got coming up on the show today? You want me

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01:59:29,560 --> 01:59:31,640
Speaker 4: to let you know? Can I share with you what

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01:59:31,640 --> 01:59:35,520
Speaker 4: Mo's got coming up? He's got Chad Brendle, Oh, no kidding,

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01:59:35,640 --> 01:59:38,120
Speaker 4: Bearcat Joner dot com. Chad Brendle will join Mo to

2353
01:59:38,160 --> 01:59:41,680
Speaker 4: talk some probably Liberty Bowl and UC basketball. He's got

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01:59:41,760 --> 01:59:45,840
Speaker 4: Jay Morrison joining the program today. Jay Morrison will join

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Speaker 4: Moeger Rob wintrab Do we know what Rob does? Rob

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01:59:50,560 --> 01:59:53,440
Speaker 4: writes about the Bengals. Rob, We'll talk to Mo about

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01:59:53,480 --> 01:59:56,080
Speaker 4: the Bengals. He also had this to say, of course,

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01:59:56,160 --> 01:59:59,640
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow is unhappy. He then said, why do some

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01:59:59,640 --> 02:00:04,640
Speaker 4: baseball hate stars? And then he said this our Ohio

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Speaker 4: State fans paying attention? Oh I don't know what that is,

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Speaker 4: but he asked, and he will ask today. Are Ohio

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Speaker 4: State fans paying attention?

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Speaker 5: I look forward to that. That's Moegger's show today. Are

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Speaker 5: Bearcats fans paying attention? Because they just lost a pretty

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Speaker 5: integral part of their football operation. This was a big

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Speaker 5: one being reported that Jack Griffith, who heads the Cincinnati

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Speaker 5: Bearcats portal operations in their football department. He's heading to

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Speaker 5: Penn State to join Matt Campbell lead the Ninney Lions.

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Speaker 5: Griffith was an integral part in recruiting players like Brendan Soresby,

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Speaker 5: Jake Goldey, Cyrus Allen, Evan Pryor, and others. According to

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Speaker 5: Keegan Nickoson, and now Jack Griffith is hitting the road. Jack,

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Speaker 5: he's going up to college Penn Station or Valley or

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Speaker 5: whatever that place is called.

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Speaker 4: It's a big loss for the Bearcats. And Keegan has

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Speaker 4: has talked about this, and he's wrote about this. The

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Speaker 4: advanced scouting and that side of things you see has

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Speaker 4: been ahead of the curve and a loss like that

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Speaker 4: is is very detrimental when it comes to the building

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Speaker 4: blocks in the future of the program.

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Speaker 5: Some other baseball news, the Atlanta Braves have signed closer

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Speaker 5: Robert Suarez to a forty five million dollar deal over

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Speaker 5: three years. Robert Suarez was leading the National League in

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Speaker 5: saves for a while last year, but he's not going

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Speaker 5: to be the closer for Atlanta. Apparently he's going to

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Speaker 5: be the setup man for Rossell Iglesias, former Red Former

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Speaker 5: Red Rossell Iglesias. The Braves have invested a lot in

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Speaker 5: pitching already this offseason. This, of course, is going to

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Speaker 5: be their first season without Skipper. Gosh, what was that

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Speaker 5: guy's Brian Snitker? There he is, yeah, snit Theald snit Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Reds haven't made any moves. Surprising. There was a left

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Speaker 5: hand that the Pirates signed the other day. Oh and

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Speaker 5: it was a seven and a half million million dollar deal. Wow.

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Speaker 5: So if the Reds only have five to ten million

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Speaker 5: dollars to spend, it's going to make it to need

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Speaker 5: a left handed reliever. I don't know that you're gonna

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Speaker 5: find a halfway decent one for that price. It it

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Speaker 5: could make things tough.

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Speaker 4: Latest on tarrow More, he is expected in court on Friday,

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Speaker 4: so he's expected to pee uh to appear in court.

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Speaker 4: You get more understanding of the charges when that happens Tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: And Indiana quarterback Fernando Mendoza is named the AP Player

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Speaker 4: of the Year in college football.

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Speaker 5: I would expect him to win the Heisman Trophy.

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Speaker 4: I can't comment on that because I have a vote. Well,

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Speaker 4: you're allowed to comment on I don't want to comment

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Speaker 4: on it yet. College hoop Tonight, Iowa State the fourth

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Speaker 4: team in the country. We'll take on Iowa. That's always

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Speaker 4: a good rivalry in the hardwood. And Thursday Night football

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Speaker 4: gets underway with week fifteen. Who you got tonight, Austin, Oh.

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Speaker 5: You know me?

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Speaker 4: Division home Thursday Night GA five and a half. You

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Speaker 4: good laying the five and.

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Speaker 5: A half Falcons will lose big time to the Tampa

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Speaker 5: Bay Book.

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Speaker 4: Gosh, you know what you mentioned, man, Those those orange

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Speaker 4: Unis cream sickles that they're gonna wear tonight. And we

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Speaker 4: mentioned earlier. That's a Tampa Bay team that gets McMillan back,

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Speaker 4: Mike Evans back, their wide receiver corps is now healthy

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Speaker 4: as they've been all year. That should be a big boost.

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Speaker 4: They got Bucky Irving back a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 4: Should be a big boost for Baker Mayfield and that

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Speaker 4: offense in Tampa. Getting Week fifteen underway in the National

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Speaker 4: Football League, I believe we're done. I believe Mowegar is next.

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Speaker 4: Stick around ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports station. The Mulwagger

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Speaker 4: Show comes up next

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