WEBVTT - 10-2-25 Willie with Brandon Saho

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<v Speaker 1>Let's continue now, Billy Cunningham, the Great America and one

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<v Speaker 1>of the great aspects of our human life, just the

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<v Speaker 1>mental side of things, which often dominates the physical side.

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<v Speaker 1>We spent disproportionate amounts of money on physicality, lack of resources,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of condemnation of mental difficulties. And one

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<v Speaker 1>of the persons whose lives have crossed with mine is

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<v Speaker 1>Brandon Sajo, who began in Cincinnati as a sportscaster. He

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<v Speaker 1>kind of filtered away a little bit. He worked here,

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<v Speaker 1>worked with me a little bit, but then he shall

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<v Speaker 1>I use the term, resurface a few years later with

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<v Speaker 1>the Mental Game podcast headquartered in la and once again Brandon, soho,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show. And first of all,

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<v Speaker 1>Brandon described to the American people how our paths crossed.

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<v Speaker 1>At one point, many years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>I was a young cub at seven hundred doing the

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<v Speaker 2>America Trucking Network overnight and so I think I filled

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<v Speaker 2>in maybe once or twice during your show and then

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<v Speaker 2>the Sunday show. So I was just a little guy

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<v Speaker 2>trying to figure out the media world.

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<v Speaker 1>And from that point you went to television, and then

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<v Speaker 1>after that something happened you worked at local television stations

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<v Speaker 1>here in Cincinnati. What happened? What was the break in

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<v Speaker 1>your life that changed it fundamentally?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I had struggled with my mental health

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<v Speaker 2>behind the scenes since being you know, a freshman at

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<v Speaker 2>LaSalle back in two thousand and seven, and struggled with

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<v Speaker 2>alcoholism and depression, suicidal thoughts off and on, and then

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<v Speaker 2>got to this rock bottom during twenty twenty one. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>you know it, we lose everything. So for the Bengals

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<v Speaker 2>to go to the super Bowl and you see, to

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<v Speaker 2>be in the playoffs, it was huge. But behind the scenes,

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<v Speaker 2>I lost three family members. I lost my relationship the

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<v Speaker 2>woman I thought I was gonna marry. I had all

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<v Speaker 2>this pressure on me at work and I had no

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<v Speaker 2>other choice but to ask for help or I, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't be alive. And so thankfully I had the courage

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<v Speaker 2>to do that. But man, I just thought alone didn't

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<v Speaker 2>want to live anymore, and without asking for help, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>probably not here having this conversation with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, well, as alcohol is a medicine for you, yeah, it.

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<v Speaker 2>Was, like I call it, it would numb the pain.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. I lost, you know, my grandpa to addiction.

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<v Speaker 2>Never met him. He was, you know, passed before I

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<v Speaker 2>was born. My dad was an alcoholic. I just, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's something that I turned to. I call it autopilot.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. I think you can joke. I love I

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<v Speaker 2>love all the places down things, but you can joke

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<v Speaker 2>with a lot of those people down there. It would

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<v Speaker 2>see me until three or four in the morning, five

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<v Speaker 2>nights a week, my entire in Cincinnati. It's really sad

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<v Speaker 2>to look back at.

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<v Speaker 1>So you were in a dark, lonely place, no one

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<v Speaker 1>to turn to. Alcohol was like a bottle, it was

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<v Speaker 1>like a crutch. It was like a medicine. You were

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<v Speaker 1>severely mentally depressed. How close were you to suicide?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that walks home almost every night to where

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<v Speaker 2>I lived in Covington, on the Robling Bridge. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>I sat there fifty to seventy five nights thinking about

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and in it. I had many nights of

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I wrote goodbye letter, I had a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, Willie. If I didn't have the courage

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to my mom that night, the final night

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<v Speaker 2>on that bridge, i'd probably go. So yeah, I was.

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<v Speaker 2>I was as closed as to gets man. I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>told this story really at all. There was a night

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<v Speaker 2>that I was calling people to say goodbye, and the

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<v Speaker 2>first person I called was George Vobil and God bless him.

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<v Speaker 2>He came to my house at two am that with

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<v Speaker 2>me in my living room and talked me kind of

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<v Speaker 2>off that ledge. I will preface it with being the

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<v Speaker 2>good man that he is. He saw a bottle of

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<v Speaker 2>Burdon across the hall on my bar and said, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>can I have a sip while I sit here and

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<v Speaker 2>listen to you? And I said absolutely no. It's hard

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<v Speaker 2>for me to laugh about this stuff sometimes looking back,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, yeah, I was at I was at

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<v Speaker 2>rock bottom, and I don't want to be here anymore. Man.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm about as close as you can get, and I

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<v Speaker 2>thank God every day that I'm still alive. You.

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<v Speaker 1>We're working a Channel five with Shri and with others

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<v Speaker 1>since So at this point, what were the pressures that

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<v Speaker 1>you felt that you could not deal with? Many can

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<v Speaker 1>shed them like water hitting at Duck's back, others it

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<v Speaker 1>soaks in. What did you perceive is the problems in

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<v Speaker 1>your mind? Brendon say o that that we're on that

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<v Speaker 1>were insurmountable.

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<v Speaker 2>I think for me, the biggest thing was feeling alone.

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<v Speaker 1>You know it.

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<v Speaker 2>Growing up in Cincinnati, the most common thing that people

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<v Speaker 2>do is marry their high school sweetheart, had the perfect house,

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<v Speaker 2>stay on the east side or west side, and live

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<v Speaker 2>a happy life. And you know, that's what I wanted,

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<v Speaker 2>and it wasn't what I had. You know, I was

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<v Speaker 2>single a lot of my life, dealing with some relationships stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know that that breakup in that moment, along

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<v Speaker 2>with losing you know, family members, including my cousin Ben,

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<v Speaker 2>who had a heart attack at thirty one. He's basically

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<v Speaker 2>my older brother. But I think the relationship falling apart,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what got me the most. And I felt like,

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<v Speaker 2>as a man, you know, I'm supposed to be married

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<v Speaker 2>and be a father one day, and I want to

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<v Speaker 2>find this stuff and what is wrong with me? Why

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<v Speaker 2>get it? And so yeah that I thought I'd always

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<v Speaker 2>be alone, and yeah, it just made me feel like

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't good enough for anyone, even myself.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, men aren't supposed to cry, and men aren't

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to show emotion, and men are supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>harry s alphas. And when things don't turn out that way,

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<v Speaker 1>some sink into a bottle. Some sink into drugs and

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<v Speaker 1>you eventually checked into a mental hospital. Is that correct?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the Lender Center of Hope and Mason, which has

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<v Speaker 2>saved my life in so many lives people, not just

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<v Speaker 2>in Ohio but all across the country. It really is

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<v Speaker 2>an amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Place what happened there.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know about you, WILLI I'm gonna guess

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<v Speaker 2>that you had the same concept of a mental hospital

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<v Speaker 2>that I did at the site ward where they throw

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<v Speaker 2>someone in a white, padded room and they cry for

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<v Speaker 2>hours and then when they're done crying, they're all better

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<v Speaker 2>and they go home. That's not what it is at all.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say about ten to fifteen percent of the

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<v Speaker 2>time was one on one therapy with my therapist or

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<v Speaker 2>a psychiatrist. But you know, ninety percent of the time

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<v Speaker 2>with a classroom just like you know we had in

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<v Speaker 2>high school with twenty to twenty five people eighteen to

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<v Speaker 2>eighty years old, every color, creed, job background. We just

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<v Speaker 2>had this one thing in common. We didn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>live anymore. Get help. And that was the first time

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<v Speaker 2>I realized I wasn't alone. And it was the first

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<v Speaker 2>time that I learned what grief was and how to

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<v Speaker 2>deal with these intrusive thoughts and what to look for

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<v Speaker 2>and how to cope and what's healthy and unhealthy that

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<v Speaker 2>obviously alcohol is going to hurt me, But how do

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<v Speaker 2>I open up to someone being a man? I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I know we can't save the word on the radio,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'll never forget one of these you know, therapists

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<v Speaker 2>teaching these sessions going Brandon, w aren't you opened up?

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<v Speaker 2>Why aren't you telling your story? And I said, well,

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<v Speaker 2>as a man, I've always just been kind of a blank,

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<v Speaker 2>you know the B word. I've always been weak, I've

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<v Speaker 2>been emotional as a man. And she stopped me right

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<v Speaker 2>there and she said, you know what, that's the problem

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<v Speaker 2>with the stigma with mental health, but specifically men's mental health,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're not that. And that's what starting to have

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<v Speaker 2>those conversations with the other men in the room, that's

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<v Speaker 2>what opened the door for me to get help. But

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<v Speaker 2>just learning things that I had never learned before, like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, recognizing when you're struggling, when you're not being yourself,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a huge red site. Really. My job, similar to yours,

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<v Speaker 2>was to interview these big stars and to be on

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<v Speaker 2>the field with Burrow and Chase and be on TV

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<v Speaker 2>every day living out that dream job I had, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in my hometown. I hated my job all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 2>And it wasn't because of Channel five. It's because of

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<v Speaker 2>my mental health struggles. I hated working out. I was

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<v Speaker 2>sleeping into one in the afternoon. I was drunker than

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<v Speaker 2>a skunk every night. I mean, I wasn't being myself,

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<v Speaker 2>and so those things add up and you getting a

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<v Speaker 2>point where that's all I knew to do was to

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<v Speaker 2>ask for help.

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<v Speaker 1>But for Lender Center, but for your mother, but for

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<v Speaker 1>George Fogel, you'd be at the bottom of the Ohio River.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, so, man, that's a that's a tough way

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<v Speaker 2>to ask it. I uh, I'm thinking, I'm you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a visual storyteller. So yeah, I think, yeah. You

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<v Speaker 2>know what's crazy about that is that we are a

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<v Speaker 2>voting family and my mom didn't know any of this stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>and we would always anchor next to the Roebling to

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<v Speaker 2>watch and you know, the fireworks for red games, or

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<v Speaker 2>to hang out on a Saturday or Sunday afternoon, and so,

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<v Speaker 2>uh yeah, I think of you know what's tough too

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<v Speaker 2>that I think it's Tom Greshen. I think a guy

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<v Speaker 2>that we lost like him, Corey Cunningham, we went to

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<v Speaker 2>UC with me, played football for the Giants. We lost

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<v Speaker 2>him last year. And because people were scared to open

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<v Speaker 2>up and they thought that this was the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the world and they were always going to feel these feelings.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm one of the lucky ones man, and uh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's been Yeah. I don't know what would have happened,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't think I would have been a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Friend. Say O, how long were you at the Lender

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<v Speaker 1>Center and how did your journey go from there in

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<v Speaker 1>Mason to Los Angeles with your podcast, explain that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was there for two weeks, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>care ranges between what your needs are, how you're struggling.

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<v Speaker 2>I was in the partial hospitalization program, so I basically

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<v Speaker 2>went to the hospital every day like kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>a nine to five job. And because I wasn't, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe in a spot where they thought I could harm

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<v Speaker 2>myself at home, I was able to go home every night.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was the first time really that like I

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<v Speaker 2>got to focus on me, I have to worry about work.

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<v Speaker 2>And Channel five was amazing with their support my coworkers.

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<v Speaker 2>You mentioned Shari and George, but also the people up

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<v Speaker 2>top that like, really let me have that time off.

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<v Speaker 2>And so when I got back to work, I realized

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't have that same passion for mental health or

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<v Speaker 2>for sport supporting anymore. I had this new passion for

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<v Speaker 2>mental health. And I texted my boy Sam Hubbard and said, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>can I try this idea out with you? He ended

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<v Speaker 2>up becoming the first guest and without saying none of

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<v Speaker 2>this is possible, And man, it started. You know how

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<v Speaker 2>it is, you get some knows from people you want

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<v Speaker 2>to interview, or from agents or managers or people behind

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<v Speaker 2>the scenes that are controlling the narratives, and I just

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<v Speaker 2>kept taking no. Eventually started getting more yeses with people

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<v Speaker 2>like Ricky Williams or Kate Flannery from the office. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's built where I never thought in a million years

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<v Speaker 2>I'd live in Los Angeles and be able to share

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<v Speaker 2>these stories to some of the biggest stars like Terry

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<v Speaker 2>Crews or Kirk kurb Street or whoever you pick. And

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<v Speaker 2>my goal, man is not to get like famous and

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<v Speaker 2>to not be bigger than Cincinnati. Cincinnati made me who

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<v Speaker 2>I am. And I'm going to the Reds game. You

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<v Speaker 2>know when they were in town doing this series this week.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, I love Cynthy and they support me so much.

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<v Speaker 2>But the more we can grow, the more we can

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<v Speaker 2>save lives and help people. So it's been quite the journey.

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<v Speaker 2>It's my favorite thing, man, is I get to go

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<v Speaker 2>to schools I go to I was just at LaSalle

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<v Speaker 2>High School, my alma mater, last week of my story,

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<v Speaker 2>and it broke my heart that we lost someone to

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<v Speaker 2>suicide Jonah last year. Sarah Lease, you're a good friend.

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<v Speaker 2>It's her cousin and I got to, you know, talk

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<v Speaker 2>with them and their family. And my goal is to

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<v Speaker 2>save lives. A chance that I get to now because

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<v Speaker 2>of a podcast. Go to schools, go to companies, go

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<v Speaker 2>to cope just shoot, you know. Joe Burrow's parents helped

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<v Speaker 2>me bring thousands of people to an arena at LSU

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about mental health. I never thought this would

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<v Speaker 2>be it, but man, it's a special purpose that I

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<v Speaker 2>found through that struggle and a brand.

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen you in arenas with ten thousand people, and

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<v Speaker 1>the good you have done is really unbridled. You could

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<v Speaker 1>not have imagined when you were a line producer here

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<v Speaker 1>that with me, that you would be in ten years

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<v Speaker 1>filling up arenas at LSU. That would be impossible. In

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<v Speaker 1>my life, I can recall going to Longview State Mental Hospital.

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<v Speaker 1>My father's brother, his name was Bob, and we'd go

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<v Speaker 1>maybe four or five times a year to visit him

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<v Speaker 1>at Longview State Mental Hospital. I believe he was there

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<v Speaker 1>most of his life. They and he never got out

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<v Speaker 1>of the mental hospital. And from that, I was scared

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<v Speaker 1>to death of eventually getting into an orphanage because my

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<v Speaker 1>father is alcoholism. The fact we had nowhere to go.

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<v Speaker 1>When I was a little boy, my mom hooked me up.

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<v Speaker 1>We hooked up with my mother's sister and her name

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<v Speaker 1>was Annette Arling House, and I could not imagine what

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<v Speaker 1>would have happened to us in Deer Park, a young

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<v Speaker 1>mother with four kids and the father's an alcoholic. He's gone,

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<v Speaker 1>never came back again except for my beloved aunt and

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<v Speaker 1>at arling House, we all moved in with her. So

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<v Speaker 1>living in one house was their mother, another sister, my

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<v Speaker 1>mother a Nette, that's four here comes four more kids.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was scared to death that's something that happen

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<v Speaker 1>to me, that i'ding up in an orphanage or ending

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<v Speaker 1>up in a mental hospital, and So when I got

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<v Speaker 1>my law degree, the first thing I wanted to do

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<v Speaker 1>was work with mental health. So I spent years down

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<v Speaker 1>in the Hamliny County Probate Court handling mental health hearings

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<v Speaker 1>to help individuals with mental problems that did not have

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<v Speaker 1>to be institutionalized. Now there's been a metamorphosis with treatments.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you aware of the last how this was dealt with, say,

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<v Speaker 1>thirty to forty years ago, as compared to is being

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<v Speaker 1>dealt with today? Are you aware of the journey that's

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<v Speaker 1>been made and how far we've come yet how far

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<v Speaker 1>we have to go?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? And one, thank you for having that personal vulnerability

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<v Speaker 2>on air right now, but also the work that you've

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<v Speaker 2>done that to help change that stigma, to break it

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<v Speaker 2>not just by words but also by actions. I think

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<v Speaker 2>I have seen it change, you know, I've My mom,

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<v Speaker 2>for instance, was on medication and therapy for fifteen years.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't learn any of that stuff until I told

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<v Speaker 2>her I was suicidal three years ago, because we didn't

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<v Speaker 2>talk about this stuff. My father lost his father in

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<v Speaker 2>his twenties. We didn't talk about any of those emotions

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<v Speaker 2>because he was taught never unpack it. So it's completely changed.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to make sure, I say this where you

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<v Speaker 2>can have all of the amazing support from your family, friends, therapist,

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<v Speaker 2>anyone that wants to help you. But if that person

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<v Speaker 2>in the mirror doesn't want to make that change, and

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<v Speaker 2>isn't willing to ask for help and be vulnerable and

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<v Speaker 2>shed those tears and be emotional, especially as a man,

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<v Speaker 2>it's never going to change. And so I've lost, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned Corey, I've lost my friend Mike. I can

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<v Speaker 2>go into my phone and show you messages from these

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<v Speaker 2>guys telling me how much they loved what I was

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<v Speaker 2>doing with mental health and how you know they want

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<v Speaker 2>me to check in or they would check in on me.

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<v Speaker 2>I was blindsided by it, man, And so I've got

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<v Speaker 2>two friends to suicide in becoming the mental health guy.

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<v Speaker 2>So if it can happen to me, it can happen

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<v Speaker 2>to anyone. But at the end of the day, that

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<v Speaker 2>person in the mirror has to want to make that change.

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<v Speaker 1>How are you doing now? Is it over? Is an

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<v Speaker 1>ongoing struggle? Have you put it away in a safe

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<v Speaker 1>and locked it and never getting out again? Does the

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<v Speaker 1>monster of mental health still stalk you a little bit?

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<v Speaker 2>I would say that my life I'll tell you this,

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<v Speaker 2>Willy Am. I love myself and I'm happy with myself

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<v Speaker 2>for the first time ever in my life over the

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<v Speaker 2>past year and a half. So I don't think I'll

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<v Speaker 2>ever get to that rock bottom again. But mental health

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<v Speaker 2>isn't a fight you win. It's a fight that you battle.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's days that might be tougher than others. But

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<v Speaker 2>I really don't think I'll get back down to that past.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's because I went to therapy. I still go

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<v Speaker 2>to therapy. I learned those things in the hospital in Mason,

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<v Speaker 2>and so yeah, I think I'm happy, like genuinely, I

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<v Speaker 2>am okay on my own being alone. Do I still

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<v Speaker 2>dream of one day having a wife and kids and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe moving back to Cincinnati and living out that dream

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<v Speaker 2>that I wanted since I was that weird, romanticized fourteen

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<v Speaker 2>year old freshman seeing everyone else dates, you know, our

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<v Speaker 2>high school sweethearts, you know in Cincinnati. Yes, but that's

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<v Speaker 2>not what's making me depressed every second of every day.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I don't have that partner or I don't have

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<v Speaker 2>that family. That's the big difference for me. I really

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<v Speaker 2>really do feel like I'm in the best place, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's because I'm serving a purpose, you know. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I grew up, you know, with a dream to be

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<v Speaker 2>a sports supporter. But at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to just tell stories and help people. And

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I'm doing that the best way I

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<v Speaker 2>know how to.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, you know, I told you off the air, Brandon,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you found your life's work. I think what

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<v Speaker 1>sportscasters do is very important. No problem there with Charlie

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<v Speaker 1>Clifford and others, no difficulty get about it. But that's

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<v Speaker 1>not for everyone. And one of the great things in

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<v Speaker 1>life is to have individuals like Brandon Sajo who realized,

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<v Speaker 1>look the course I'm on, it's not the one for me.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm so glad you didn't jump off that bridge.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad George Vogel was there. I'm glad your mother

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<v Speaker 1>was there. And now for those who want to get involved,

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<v Speaker 1>as the Mental Game podcast by Brandon Sajo, s like

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<v Speaker 1>in sam Aho, you've been out of the media in

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<v Speaker 1>this town for about five or six years, but you're

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<v Speaker 1>not out of our hearts because we remember at the

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<v Speaker 1>time you were struggling. And I'm so glad you found

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<v Speaker 1>the good place. And Brandon say hoo. You're always welcome here,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you ever come back to this market and

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<v Speaker 1>want to do something publicly, you have my phone number.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's work together and may God bless you and God

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<v Speaker 1>bless America. Brandon say Ho, thank you for the man

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<v Speaker 1>that you are today.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much, WILLI, and just don't worry. Everyone

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<v Speaker 2>can get help. You're not alone.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you all right, Brandon, thank you very much. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>continue with more news coming up at your home of

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