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Speaker 1: Bary from San Diego.

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Speaker 2: By way of why, Zetta writes, as a callback to

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Speaker 2: the suit discussion and the Chuck Daily discussion, I'm at

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Speaker 2: famous Michael Jordan's steakhouse before a Chicago Detroit game in

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Speaker 2: walks Coach Daily. My best friend hoists up his cocktail

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Speaker 2: and tells Chuck or it says.

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Speaker 1: Nice tide, Chuck.

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Speaker 2: The consensus was the coach was none to please. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I could see he's not gonna be impressed by that.

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Speaker 2: He just be I don't want to hear from the peasants,

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Speaker 2: you know, leave me alone. You know my suit wears

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Speaker 2: it costs more than your entire wardrobe, that kind of Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he was very hoity toity about but he but he

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Speaker 2: did wear it.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's no question. Hey, if it makes you feel good,

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Speaker 1: do it, Like Louis said.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I love that story. The Man's store. I mean, how

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Speaker 2: how good does that get? His dad's a butcher. You know,

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Speaker 2: that was a nice little shot he threw in there.

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Speaker 2: That you know, law on meat, you just throw it

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Speaker 2: part of a finger. And what's the difference? Blood everywhere

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Speaker 2: you get cleaned up, you come down for dinner and

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Speaker 2: you're in a suit, or you're in a jacket and

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Speaker 2: a tie and then you go walk and then you

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Speaker 2: take your son to the man's store.

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Speaker 1: Come on, you got to act like a man. Act

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Speaker 4: It checks out because my dad would just take me

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Speaker 4: to like shinders and cookish. So it was all sporting

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Speaker 4: good stuff in the cards. That's it. He never took

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Speaker 4: me to Mace would say. There was a bonding part

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Speaker 4: of it. It just different things. Yeah, we were buying stuff.

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Speaker 2: Somebody asked I, I maybe we didn't put this to

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Speaker 2: bed yesterday. In fact, I know we didn't actually because

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Speaker 2: I wasn't even sure. I wanted to revisit it. But

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Speaker 2: I will hear briefly just for the record, because it's

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Speaker 2: it's it is. It's starting to bother me more than

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Speaker 2: it should. And I've learned that, you know, you got

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Speaker 2: to get that stuff out or the bio kind of

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Speaker 2: builds up and it's it's it's unhealthy, at least for me.

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Speaker 2: So at the risk of heating up the branch. On

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Speaker 2: Brian Kfean text line, a couple of people had asked

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Speaker 2: today did we want to weigh in or were we

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Speaker 2: going to weigh in on I don't even know if

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Speaker 2: you call it the latest men's hockey controversy or one

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Speaker 2: of several, because I had a couple of texts yesterday

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Speaker 2: from people saying that they have a harder time. What

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Speaker 2: was the wording, I'll paraphrase it, knowing what I now

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Speaker 2: know about the way the US The several members of

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Speaker 2: the US team laughed after the comment from President Trump.

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Speaker 2: I have a lot harder time rooting for people that

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Speaker 2: I know I probably wouldn't like if I met them.

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Speaker 2: And here's all I'll tell you. I am not here

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Speaker 2: in all seriousness. I'm not here to tell anybody what

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Speaker 2: they need or want to think about how to process

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Speaker 2: all of that. The locker room scene, the phone call

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Speaker 2: I think it was a Patel's cell phone where the

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Speaker 2: President is then speaking via speaker to several of the players.

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Speaker 2: I will just tell you, if you're asking a number

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Speaker 2: of people have that I'm bored with all of it,

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Speaker 2: completely and utterly bored with it. And I can get

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Speaker 2: pissed off about a lot of stuff that doesn't make

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Speaker 2: any sense. Let me give you an example. When the

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Speaker 2: President made his crack about well, if I don't invite

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Speaker 2: the women's team might get impeached or something like that.

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Speaker 2: Is that a line that I would have endorsed or

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Speaker 2: thought it was necessary. No, But what I'm hearing from

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Speaker 2: me too much of We actually have human beings in

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Speaker 2: our audience or beyond us who've decided that the fact

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Speaker 2: that some of them laughed tells them everything they need

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Speaker 2: to know about those individuals. And I'm saying here to you, godspeed,

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Speaker 2: God bless you. If you want to extrapolate out of

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Speaker 2: that exactly what you have and you've decided to write

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Speaker 2: off the entire experience, I'm not there, won't be there,

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Speaker 2: refuse to be there. So if you need me in

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Speaker 2: on it, I just I can't do it. The example

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Speaker 2: for me is did I hear laughter? Did I hear

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Speaker 2: nervous laughter?

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Speaker 1: Did I hear?

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Speaker 2: If you put yourself in that position, different people are not.

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Speaker 2: You may laugh, not as an endorsement, not that it's

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Speaker 2: even funny. It's just's he's offering up what's supposed to

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Speaker 2: be in there in that moment, a funny line. And again,

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Speaker 2: if that's a enough in of itself for you to

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Speaker 2: say I'm done with the team, I'll say again, god speed.

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Speaker 2: It's your decision and it's your right.

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Speaker 5: I have.

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Speaker 2: I'm utterly and completely bored with that concept. That does nothing.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna need a couple more pieces of information if again,

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Speaker 2: it even matters, because the during the little secret I

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Speaker 2: it's almost like.

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Speaker 1: I now know too much about those players.

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Speaker 2: And again, have we had to tape analyze who laughed

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Speaker 2: the hardest, who kind of chuckled, who said, what are

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Speaker 2: we really doing this? I think it's an exhausting waste

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Speaker 2: of time. It does nothing for me. This has nothing

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Speaker 2: But I'm not going to paint with that broad of

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Speaker 2: just does not rise to that level. And if people

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Speaker 2: over it, just admit it's because you despise the president

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Speaker 2: of the United States and I'm not here to tell

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Speaker 2: you shouldn't that that's what this is all about. In

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Speaker 2: any sense that someone else, even in a laugh, is

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Speaker 2: giving sustenance to him, is why you're losing your mind.

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Speaker 2: And there are for me far more substantive things to

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Speaker 2: lose our minds about regarding the President of the United States.

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Speaker 2: And Lord knows we talk about them because we get

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Speaker 2: it every day from righties who are annoyed with what

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Speaker 1: So I just.

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Speaker 2: I can't go to that level and trying to analyze

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Speaker 1: Do they mean with the laugh?

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Speaker 2: Why didn't one of them say, mister president, how dare you?

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Speaker 2: That sounds good? In that moment? It really does. Everybody

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Speaker 2: knows what they would do, and in that particular moment,

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Speaker 2: they're in the flush of victory, they just win the

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Speaker 2: listen to this. It's the president on Patel. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we talked about that part of it yesterday. I was

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Speaker 2: have to weigh in on it, if you don't want

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Speaker 2: But and and by the way, if you want to

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Speaker 2: go to the White House, go, I'm not going to

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Speaker 2: excoriate you. Y if that means I'm off your team,

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Speaker 2: I'm off your team again.

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Speaker 1: This is one of those purity tests. Which side are

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Speaker 2: This isn't important enough to raise itself to that level.

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Speaker 2: People can go to see the president for different reasons.

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Speaker 2: They can do it, maybe because they they admire them.

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Speaker 2: Maybe they go because they are admiring the office, out

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Speaker 2: of respect for the opportunity that they don't know that

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Speaker 2: I respect that too, But I don't even think. Now

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Speaker 2: it's like, well, who's going, Let's see, let's look, we're

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Speaker 2: taking names and numbers on brush sides. And if you

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Speaker 2: don't go, then you don't you hate America, which is

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Speaker 2: to me just as asinin tomorrow. Yes, it's just it's

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Speaker 2: just how we it's just the perfect illustration of how

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Speaker 2: we get ourselves worked up over the stupidest stuff, when

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Speaker 2: there's stuff that's far more substantive than a million reasons

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Speaker 2: you could decide to go or not go that may

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Speaker 2: or may not have anything to do with how you

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Speaker 1: You might go even if you.

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Speaker 2: Do despise the president. I'm not here to tell you

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Speaker 2: that you shouldn't be. Who am I to say after

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Speaker 2: you you want a gold medal that you can't do it.

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Speaker 1: Let's link.

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Speaker 4: Let's link the two topics of the show or the

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Speaker 4: stupid the topic that started the show. You mentioned coaches

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Speaker 4: wearing suits could be one of the small steps that

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Speaker 4: gets us back on track. We say this all the time,

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Speaker 4: but people get outraged about this latest situation because it's

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Speaker 4: an easy one in their minds. There's really no stakes,

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Speaker 4: there's really no no, you're exactly right, repercussions. It's I

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Speaker 4: don't like how they reacted to it, and I'm going

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Speaker 4: to make sure you know that I don't like how

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Speaker 4: you react to it when it really doesn't solve anything

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Speaker 4: or change anything. I'd be I am curious. I'm curious

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Speaker 4: what the women's team thinks about it. I have no

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Speaker 2: But see, I'm still more bothered by him saying it.

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Speaker 1: That's why I am their react.

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Speaker 2: But see, what's what's changed is for a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: Who are texting us, it's the reaction.

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Speaker 2: You didn't react, right, You have some explaining to do yourself,

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Speaker 2: not to me, maybe to you, because again, in your world,

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Speaker 2: there is no nuance at all.

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Speaker 1: I'm not here to say I know how to analyze.

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Speaker 2: Any even a laugh in that situation.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever laughed? Has any of us?

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Speaker 2: Any of these these individuals who think they know what

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Speaker 2: should have been done in that situation, they're lying because

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Speaker 2: you know, and I know, each and every one of

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Speaker 2: them has been in an uncomfortable situation. We're out of

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Speaker 2: nervousness of something that they may not even appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: You laugh just because other people are laughing, you do

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Speaker 2: it too. The idea that we're now going to analyze

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Speaker 2: and decide whether they're one of us or they're not

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Speaker 2: on that basis is absurd on its face. That's not

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Speaker 2: the same as saying that he should go down a road,

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Speaker 2: even if he's trying to kid about I'm going to

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Speaker 2: be impeached if we don't include them too. Helly should

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Speaker 2: have call them. He should have called them. On the

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Speaker 2: other hand, if he had called them with would they

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Speaker 2: would would would the players who listened to him? Would

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Speaker 2: they have been ripped for even being willing to listen

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Speaker 2: to a call from president of United States? You know

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying. That's where people are fraudulent on this issue.

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Speaker 2: There is no consistency on it at all. Anything else, No,

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Speaker 2: we can straddle. All right, let's do this. Let's uh,

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Speaker 2: let's pause here and then don't forget. We got a

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Speaker 2: Seaffert coming up with some good stuff from koc first

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Speaker 2: time he has spoken, I think, to the Jackals since

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Speaker 2: the Quasy dismissal. So uh, we'll get the very latest

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Speaker 2: there and who knows what else from him at the

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Speaker 2: bottom of the sire.

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Speaker 1: Let's get to some.

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Speaker 2: Texts before we chat with Seaffert, get to some toy

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Speaker 2: department stuff. For someone that considers themselves a democrat. I

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Speaker 2: found no offense with that portion of them laughing. People

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of projecting going on on exactly

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Speaker 1: Otherwise you're a fraud.

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Speaker 2: And otherwise there's no you know, there's no reason to

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Speaker 1: Combine time.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's upon us, and Koc has spoken, he has

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Speaker 2: He is chatting with us, or we'll be chatting with

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Speaker 1: Isn't that true? Kevin Siefert?

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Speaker 3: I don't think so.

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Speaker 3: You just don't go.

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Speaker 2: They're better.

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Speaker 3: I'll do it.

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Speaker 1: Are you a big salad guy?

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Speaker 1: What I need from you is to demix it.

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Speaker 2: I need you to take it apart and translate it

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Speaker 3: That it wasn't a no.

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Speaker 5: That's that's the simplest way I can put it. You know,

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Speaker 2: So let me give you another one. I need you

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Speaker 5: think that maybe they feel like that's not something they

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00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 5: can wait on, given the timeline of the tenure, given

440
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 5: what happened on January thirtieth with firing of the general manager,

441
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 5: given the state of the roster it's largely veterans, Given

442
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,439
Speaker 5: you know that he's now in his third year, Like

443
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 5: the timeline of what they thought was going to be

444
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 5: the case with him as the franchise quarterback is different now,

445
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 5: like the circumstances are different. The need for a certain

446
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 5: level of play and reliability relative to injuries is different now,

447
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 5: like they're not in a position to kind of just

448
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 5: let it continue to develop slowly, is the way I

449
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 5: took that. And that doesn't eliminate many of the possibilities.

450
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,959
Speaker 5: It just means that if he's going to be in

451
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,360
Speaker 5: a position in this offseason or in the training camp

452
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 5: where he still needs time to develop, and that's not

453
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,159
Speaker 5: out of the question given the way things went last season,

454
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 5: then you know, whether he's their starter then becomes in

455
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 5: the question.

456
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 2: You know, let's go back to your answer regarding the

457
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 2: first words, Salad, I was asking you to dmix a

458
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 2: little bit about organizational power, and we have talked about

459
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 2: it over a period of time going way back that

460
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 2: the feeling is that whether he had any other fanci

461
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,360
Speaker 2: or title fancier than head coach, that O'Connell was more

462
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 2: involved in personnel. Perhaps and some coaches are that we

463
00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 2: had previously thought and maybe the same is true of

464
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 2: Flora is a v flow. Can you make the argument

465
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 2: that if I'm about say the Wolves, if the Vikings

466
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 2: it had a more established, stronger presence in personnel, in

467
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 2: talent evaluation, in the general managers share that it would

468
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 2: have been less likely that it would have gone that route,

469
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 2: and more generally, is it the best route necessarily? I mean,

470
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 2: we all assume with every team there's a lot of

471
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 2: back and forth that takes place and a lot of

472
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 2: communication as to take place. But is that ideal is

473
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 2: what we're describing. Is it actually an ideal situation when

474
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 2: it comes to separation of power?

475
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 5: I think it's okay, And I think most people in

476
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 5: the NFL would tell you it's okay and probably healthy

477
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 5: for everyone in the building to be surfacing, you know, prospects,

478
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 5: surfacing ideas and then putting it out there for it

479
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 5: to be discussed. I think, like to the extent of

480
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 5: there was a failure in the previous regime, it was

481
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 5: that the actual decisions that were being made in some cases,

482
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 5: you know, when they surface people like Jordan Addison or

483
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 5: Jonathan Grenard or whoever else, then those decisions worked out well,

484
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 5: but some of the other decisions did not. And so

485
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 5: I think it's okay when coaches are that evolved in

486
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 5: that extent now, when the coach is the one making

487
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,719
Speaker 5: the every final decision, I think that is you know,

488
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 5: very rare right now in the NFL. Even the Andy

489
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 5: reids of the world are basically in a position where

490
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 5: they can't necessarily be overruled, but they're not necessarily actively

491
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 5: making every call, if that makes sense, and so I

492
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 5: think that's more likely like the like the realistic scenario

493
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 5: of what exists on the when a coach is quote

494
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 5: unquote in charge. And so I do not think it

495
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 5: would be healthy if you had a head coach, you know,

496
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 5: literally serving as the general manager and the head coach,

497
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 5: and that doesn't really happen in real life. I don't think,

498
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 5: even when they might have the title or the configuration.

499
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 5: So I just think that, like I think the issue,

500
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 5: you know, with the previous regime is that too many

501
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 5: of the decision you know, the information in many cases

502
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 5: was good, the decisions and the priorities, which ultimately rests

503
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 5: with the decision maker, weren't effective enough to continue going

504
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 5: on with it.

505
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 2: Did cousins name come up today?

506
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 5: Well, no, we really You couldn't really get into specific

507
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 5: names because all those guys, whether it's Kyler Murray or

508
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 5: even Derek Carr who's on the Saints route, they're all

509
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 5: still property for their teams, and so that would be

510
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 5: tampering and I would never want to lead somebody into

511
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 5: a tampering charge. So we didn't really ask about any

512
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 5: specific names, but we did talk.

513
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 3: Kevin Connell did talk about I think the.

514
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 5: Word he used was levels, like the you know, there's

515
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 5: there's different levels of quarterbacks that could be acquired, and

516
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 5: I think we all can see what those would be.

517
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 5: You know, it could be somebody who's comes in and

518
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 5: by definition of their credibility, whether it's you know, frankly,

519
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 5: whether it's Derek Carr or Tyler Murray, even like you say,

520
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 5: well that guy's the starter for this year. There's some

521
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 5: levels where uh, you know, they would be in competition.

522
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 5: You know, maybe it's a Kirk Cousins or maybe it's

523
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 5: a Geno Smith type, and there's some levels who would

524
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 5: just be I think this is just me intertally what

525
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 5: he was saying. He didn't name these specific players, but

526
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 5: like there's some guys that would maybe just be viewed

527
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 5: as Marcus Mariota or somebody who is a potentially an

528
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 5: upgrade on the depths that they had last year with

529
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 5: Carson Wentz and Max Brosmer. So that's there's several, you know,

530
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 5: levels that they uh, you know, and when they say

531
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,479
Speaker 5: they're considering all options. Is that they're in a position

532
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 5: right now where they have to think through all of them,

533
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 5: and that's what they're doing in these few weeks here

534
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 5: before free agency begins.

535
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 2: You know, the cousin's name is obviously come up a

536
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 2: lot and will continue to because it seems fairly evident

537
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 2: that he's going to be available, that a Land's gonna

538
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 2: let him go. But you know, you mentioned that that

539
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 2: there those levels, and I know, in fact, I think

540
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 2: we may have talked about this before.

541
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: There are people some people.

542
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 2: Believe that if you are going to do a deal

543
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 2: to bring cousins in here, that you have to all

544
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 2: but guarantee even him, that he's going to be the starter.

545
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 2: Do you agree with that or not so much?

546
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, And as I and as I was talking to

547
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 5: you through that, like I think maybe he's like you know,

548
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 5: I guess we'll see, like what physical shape he's in.

549
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 3: I mean, there's depending who you talk to.

550
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 5: Like some people will say that his arm is not

551
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 5: the same, or his mobility even in the pocket, it's

552
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 5: not the same.

553
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 3: So we would have to see what he would be.

554
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 5: But the issue, and I wrote about this last week,

555
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 5: is not so much that, but like what are you

556
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 5: going to have to tell them just to get.

557
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 3: Them to sign on the dotted line?

558
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 5: Like like if Kirk, you know, is Kirk going to

559
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 5: be of a mindset where like I need to find

560
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 5: a place where I'm going to start or I'm just

561
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 5: going to retire, Uh you know, then you And there's

562
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 5: some other players along those lines as well, like if

563
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 5: Derek Carr is probably not going to come out of

564
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 5: retirement to be in competition, I wouldn't think.

565
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 3: And so there's some.

566
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 5: People that, regardless of what you think about where their

567
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 5: skills would ultimately take them during the course of training,

568
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 5: camp and on the field, like you probably might not

569
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 5: even get them unless you give them that assurance. And

570
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 5: so that's really the needle to be the thread to

571
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 5: go through the needles. Can they can they acquire somebody

572
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 5: who's credible without making that assurance or are they going

573
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 5: to have to make that assurance to get somebody who

574
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 5: even ultimately might just be in competition with JJ.

575
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 2: Is the number I've read that we're about right now,

576
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 2: like forty is it forty million over forty two million

577
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 2: over in that range for the salary cap? So is

578
00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 2: that a number that should scare people that it's really

579
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 2: challenging to take care of or is it when you

580
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 2: put you do your bookkeeping and you put two and

581
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 2: two and two together, that's not that necessarily that big

582
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 2: of a challenge.

583
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 5: It's it's I mean, it's not a challenge, it's you know,

584
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 5: as we when we talked to Robertsinski about that today

585
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 5: pretty extensively, and you know, it's worth noting that they

586
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 5: now you know, their primary executive as as somebody with

587
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 5: the background of camp planning and contract negotiations, that it's

588
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 5: not like you just make it disappear. You're just saying, Okay,

589
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 5: I'm going to pay that bill later, and that would

590
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 5: not seem that surprising if you're in a very temporary

591
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 5: situation where you're just your job right now is just

592
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 5: to get through the next two months to say, well,

593
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 5: I'm not going to be too worried about the future

594
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 5: cap issues that would be created by making some moves

595
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 5: now to create space to go sign people.

596
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 3: But I don't necessarily think.

597
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 5: That's going to happen, And so I think I don't

598
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 5: think it should scare people. I don't The cap is

599
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 5: not a myth, but it's all so there's very few

600
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 5: times when prior a really true, a true priority can't be.

601
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 3: Accomplished.

602
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 5: If that if you want to make it your priority.

603
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 5: So really it's a matter of what's more important to

604
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 5: them right now. Is it maintaining future flexibility or is

605
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,719
Speaker 5: it building up you know, taking your hit now and uh,

606
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 5: you know, or on the one hand, and then build

607
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 5: or building a the best possible team you can, no

608
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 5: matter what the cap implications are for this season. And

609
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 5: so that's the decision they have to make. And like,

610
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 5: and I don't have any great insight on what direction

611
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 5: they were going, but the fact that you have somebody

612
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 5: who's spent twenty seven years the team planning their cap, uh,

613
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 5: you know, and we'll now not really have anybody else

614
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 5: influencing the decisions that he makes.

615
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 3: There, I think it's pretty notable.

616
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: What else did you learn today?

617
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 3: You know?

618
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 5: We you know, we we talked to them a lot

619
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 5: about the quarter back situation. And I do think that, like,

620
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 5: while they have no one in a decision making role,

621
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 5: whether it was Quasi before, Rob Brazinski now or Kevin O'Connell, throughout,

622
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 5: nobody's come out and said, you know, we want JJ

623
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 5: McCarthy to be our starter this year.

624
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 3: Like that's been notable if they.

625
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 5: Have avoided saying anything like that, but it also was

626
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 5: I thought it was interesting to hear from both of

627
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 5: those guys that there's still like they still consider him

628
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 5: an asset, you know, for sure, and they know that

629
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 5: based on how free agency goes, or the trademarket might

630
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 5: go or whatever else, that they might in the same

631
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 5: way was last year, like he might end up being

632
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 5: their best option.

633
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 3: And so.

634
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,720
Speaker 5: It's been interesting to hear how they've sort of kept

635
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,399
Speaker 5: their feet in both of those worlds. You know, we

636
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 5: we spent a lot of time talking about that.

637
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 3: We spent a.

638
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 5: Lot of time asking you know, I asked Rob Brazinski

639
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 5: if he wanted to be the next the general be

640
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 5: a candidate for the next general manager, and you know,

641
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 5: he's been negotiating contracts for decades and has a very

642
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 5: good poker face. And we didn't really get much out

643
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 5: of him, and I tried a couple of different ways,

644
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 5: and so again he didn't say, no, I'm happy doing

645
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 5: what I was doing and I'm just doing this because

646
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 5: the Wilfs asked me.

647
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 3: So that is notable.

648
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 5: But you know, before they start any kind of real search.

649
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 5: They're going to have to decide if there's anybody in

650
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 5: the building that's a candidate, and I guess we all

651
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 5: think that Rob Brazinski would be one if he wants

652
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 5: to be, but he was not willing to go there

653
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 5: and confirm or deny that he even wants to be

654
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 5: a candidate, much less would take the job as it

655
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:42,720
Speaker 5: was offered.

656
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 2: So fair to say that on draft day, for example,

657
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 2: or the days leading up to it. If if the

658
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 2: Vikings are going to make a deal, prazimsk he's the

659
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Speaker 2: guy who's going to make the deal, right, I mean

660
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Speaker 2: it's going to have to be him.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, yeah, I mean he might have somebody else

662
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Speaker 5: on the phone, yeah, kind of thing. But he like

663
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 5: what he said today, you know, and we tried to

664
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Speaker 5: depend down on like who who is if there has

665
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 5: to be a decision made where there isn't necessarily consensus,

666
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 5: like who makes that? He said that the ownership has

667
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 5: empowered him to be that person, but he hopes that

668
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 5: that doesn't happen very often, and that we hear that

669
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Speaker 5: a lot, and I think that probably is the case

670
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 5: more often than not. But everyone needs to know it's

671
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 5: just human nature, like who's in charge, who's the who's

672
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 5: the supervisor, who's who's running this room, who's in charge

673
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 5: of this building? And to the extent that it needs

674
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Speaker 5: to be identified, it's definitely rober Zinski.

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Speaker 2: Has there ever been a player, into your knowledge who,

676
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Speaker 2: on the basis of an interview this week, you know,

677
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 2: in those conditions, blew people away to such a degree

678
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 2: that he got on somebody's board where otherwise he would

679
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 2: not have been. I'm trying to get a handle on

680
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 2: because we all hear about the interviews and that to

681
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,760
Speaker 2: many teams they are important. They do serve a purpose.

682
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Speaker 2: But how much I mean how important? Based on your

683
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,240
Speaker 2: experience and your knowledge with way teams work, how important

684
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Speaker 2: can it Can an actual interview be the old deal

685
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 2: being blown away in an interview?

686
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Speaker 5: I think I mean not to be negative, but I

687
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 5: think you have a better chance of blowing in interviews

688
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 5: and hurting your draft status than you do of walking

689
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,240
Speaker 5: in and impressing everyone. Because there's always a suspicion about

690
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 5: people who've been prepped and people are on their best behavior,

691
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Speaker 5: you know that are we getting the real guy or

692
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Speaker 5: are we.

693
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Speaker 3: Going to have to like?

694
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Speaker 5: You know, but if you walk in there and for

695
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 5: whatever reason, there's a negative vibe like that Will that

696
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 5: would be a huge red flag because you get a

697
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 5: fifteen minute period with these coaches, and if you aren't

698
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 5: able to present your best self during that fifteen minutes,

699
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 5: I think that's notable to them. So I think it

700
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 5: would be more of the reverse than somebody like coming

701
00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 5: in having a great interview and all of a sudden

702
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Speaker 5: and he's going to be much much more highly regarded

703
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Speaker 5: than he was simply based on his tape.

704
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Speaker 2: Do we Is it too early to ask this question

705
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 2: about every year? There's a consensus it appears on Okay,

706
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 2: here are two or three positions that seem to be

707
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 2: very deep and very strong, and some other positions where

708
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 2: you're really maybe reaching if you go too high in

709
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 2: order to fulfill a need. Do you have that kind

710
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 2: of information yet?

711
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 5: I mean, there's definitely not the best quarterback class we've

712
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 5: been certainly doesn't compare at all to the twenty twenty

713
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Speaker 5: four and other than Jeremiah Love the running back, I

714
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,240
Speaker 5: don't know if there's a lot of high end running

715
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 5: backs that are going to be available. But and there's

716
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Speaker 5: some people who would tell you that the quarterback class

717
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 5: is not very good, But I think there's a lot

718
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 5: of safeties and a lot of pretty much in a

719
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 5: situation where there's always there's so many great college receivers

720
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Speaker 5: and so much passing offense in college that you pretty

721
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 5: much every draft you know there's a lot of playmaking

722
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,720
Speaker 5: receivers to get. So that's a little that I've gathered

723
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Speaker 5: so far.

724
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Speaker 2: It's early though, and it's and to be honest, it's

725
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 2: a lot of times it doesn't even hold up right.

726
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's what it's projections that are going on.

727
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 2: There's a lot of projecting at these events, and when

728
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 2: you look back on it doesn't even end up being

729
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 2: true necessarily at certain positions.

730
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Speaker 5: And like such, a big part of a player's success

731
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Speaker 5: is where they end up and who they end up with,

732
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 5: and so they haven't been with the teams they're going

733
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 5: to end up with before, and they haven't been with

734
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 5: the coaches that they're going to end up with before,

735
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Speaker 5: and so those are two big elements of their future

736
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 5: success that we can't We can only guess based on

737
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 5: who they might get drafted by your organization.

738
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Speaker 2: ESPN apparently somewhere has put JJ McCarthy as one of

739
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 2: the players most likely to be traded this offseason.

740
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Speaker 1: At least that's what I've been told.

741
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 2: You can confirm or deny that, and maybe it's it's

742
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 2: just a shock jockeysh thing. I'm not sure if you

743
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 2: put it zero to ten, zero obviously being no chance

744
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 2: the Vikings trade him. Ten a dead dead certain lock.

745
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,280
Speaker 2: What number would you assign to that question?

746
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 3: One and a.

747
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 5: Half, Probably only because like I just hate ruling anything out. Yes,

748
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,760
Speaker 5: like there's always the possibility that's something you wouldn't expect

749
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 5: to come up. But like I said earlier, like I

750
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 5: came out of today's interviews feeling like they very much

751
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 5: have not given up on him in the long term,

752
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 5: even though there's not a lot of precedents for starting

753
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Speaker 5: a quarterback like who's drafted like he was, and then

754
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 5: benching him in the off season and then having him

755
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 5: come back in future years to be their starter. But

756
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Speaker 5: I think they still consider him an organizational asset and

757
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Speaker 5: he might end up being the best quarterback in their

758
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 5: training camp one way or the other anyway, And so

759
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 5: I don't think they're looking to trade him, but you

760
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 5: never know, I guess what could come up, And so

761
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 5: you can't.

762
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:58,919
Speaker 2: Say zero free agency. You know, this scene has been

763
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 2: very active, certainly was ambitious again last year. I think

764
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 2: we spent more money last offseason in terms of you know,

765
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Speaker 2: commitments than any team in the.

766
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: League are close to it?

767
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 2: Do we Is there a philosophical shift with Brazinski in

768
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 2: charge that we can get a handle on yet, or

769
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 2: just a economic reality that we can't be quite as

770
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 2: aggressive as we've been. Did you get any kind of

771
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 2: handle on that today?

772
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 5: Well, interestingly, he said, you know, this is not going

773
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Speaker 5: to be my team building philosophy. It's not going to

774
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 5: be Kevin O'Connell's team building philosophy. It's going to be

775
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 5: ownership's team building philosophy. Said, that's always been the case,

776
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Speaker 5: and it's our job to find the best way to

777
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 5: execute what they, you know, are seeking. And I think

778
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 5: we know that their team building philosophyphy is not to

779
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 5: take a step back, not to sacrifice the season, not

780
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 5: to ever go into a year thinking that they didn't

781
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 5: make some moves that they could have made to make

782
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 5: that particular team better, you know, in a substantive way.

783
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 5: And so I think he'll be like, he'll be unencumbered

784
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 5: in terms of making cap decisions if to the extent

785
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 5: that he was encumbered in some ways by the general

786
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 5: managers and previous regimes. But and that could potentially influence

787
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 5: the way he plans out the future. But I think

788
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 5: he'll still like, they're still gonna They're gonna have to

789
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 5: I mean, they're gonna have to use free agency to

790
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 5: in some ways to build up some of the positions

791
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 5: on their roster, because you can't go into a draft

792
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 5: with as many needs as they otherwise would seem to have.

793
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 2: So do you in you know, do you do you

794
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 2: believe in the cliche when you're in Indianapolis covering whatever

795
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,919
Speaker 2: you cover? Do you feel obligated to go to Saint

796
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 2: Elmo's or are you?

797
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,760
Speaker 1: Are you sort of roll? I'd say, all the kids

798
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: do that.

799
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 2: Were happy for you, But I don't have to go

800
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 2: to Saint Almos to feel validated.

801
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 3: I already did it.

802
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 5: So whether or not I felt obligated or not, I've

803
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 5: already been there. We were there last night, Big team ESPN,

804
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 5: Nice Centner got the shrimp, survived it God's Steak, which

805
00:42:58,320 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 5: I rarely do.

806
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 3: But went in Rome.

807
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, Uh, you act like a Roman and uh now

808
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:08,240
Speaker 5: I'm sort of I'm like I'm free to the world.

809
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 5: Now I can do whatever I choose tonight or and

810
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 5: then tomorrow during the day before I leave, because I've

811
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 5: already to the extent it was an obligation, I've served

812
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 5: it to an extent that it was a desire. I've

813
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 5: met it, and I can I can go in any

814
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 5: direction I want moving forward.

815
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: All right, And so what do you do now? What's

816
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: what's so? What's are you? Are you there for the

817
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: entire combine just the first couple of days?

818
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, I was, you know, three days. So

819
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 5: I was here yesterday, did a lot of competition.

820
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 2: Committee of our guys on it now right, Kocs on

821
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 2: the committee.

822
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 5: Kevin O'Connell is on the on the one of many

823
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 5: they it's got excued very heavily towards coaches this year,

824
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 5: and so he's one of many coaches on the committee.

825
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 5: He was at meetings I think Sunday and definitely Monday

826
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 5: and today and then uh so.

827
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 3: I did all and I did a lot of.

828
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 5: Viking stuff today with Brasiski and and O'Connell. And tomorrow

829
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 5: they will start bringing players into the interview room for

830
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 5: us to begin discussing their futures with.

831
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 4: While you're enjoying the thirty six degrees Kevin, I did

832
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 4: some Combine analytics. Yes, that they held the event in

833
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 4: Phoenix in nineteen eighty five, New Orleans really in nineteen

834
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 4: eighty six, thanks to Pete Nigerian who gave me the

835
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 4: heads up. He texted and said, I went to the

836
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 4: Combine eighty six. It was in New Orleans eighty six,

837
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 4: and then they moved it to Indy where it has

838
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 4: remained ever since.

839
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Speaker 1: That was permanent.

840
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 3: It could.

841
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Speaker 4: I don't know what Phoenix did to make people mad,

842
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 4: but and I know they do the owners meetings there usually, right,

843
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 4: that's where you have the eggs with.

844
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 5: KOC and yeah, right, the Indie I mean, I don't

845
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 5: have to tell you, JG. How centrally located Indianapolis is.

846
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Speaker 3: To the world.

847
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:47,240
Speaker 2: It's amazing.

848
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 3: I think that's that's what. And how set up it

849
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 3: is downtown.

850
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Speaker 4: So yeah, make sure you eat before you go to

851
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 4: the airport tomorrow because they only have that one restaurant

852
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 4: once you pass security. So just make sure you get

853
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 4: some food in you good though eating there it's harry

854
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 4: it is. You can get this from cocktail sauce from

855
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 4: saying right there, and I've done that before. Yeah, so

856
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 4: it's magical.

857
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 2: By the way, on KOC, does he have do we

859
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 2: to our knowledge, does he have a particular acts to

860
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 2: grind regarding rules or anything in particular that he wants

861
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 2: to immediately exert his influence on. Regarding his new lofty

862
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 2: position on the Competition Committee, I think he's.

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00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 5: In listening mode right now. He has previously mentioned in

864
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 5: the past that a very obscure strategic thing about how

865
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Speaker 5: many players you can have in the huddle during a

866
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Speaker 5: TV timeout.

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Speaker 3: My guess is that's not at the top.

868
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Speaker 5: Of the Competition Committee's agenda right now. But everybody has

869
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 5: their pet peeves and and things that they want to push,

870
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,280
Speaker 5: and that's something he's mentioned a few times over the years.

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Speaker 2: Excellent primer today, good to catch up and we will

872
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 2: talk soon. Thank you, Okay, Dan, Thank you Kevin Seaford

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Speaker 2: e s p N dot com. We are guests free

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Speaker 2: the rest of the way and we got a lot

875
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Speaker 2: of really good material and talking points to discuss. Top

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Speaker 2: five at five though, I think is schedule next what's

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Speaker 2: on the agenda.

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Speaker 4: I'll remind you that Alex Lewis is going to join

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Speaker 4: from the combine. Tomorrow, we'll see if he did the

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Speaker 4: Saint Almost shrimp cocktail. It feels like something he would

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Speaker 4: do because he lives life to the fullest.

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Speaker 1: I's going to say right at all times, so we'll see.

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Speaker 4: I will talk koc nas Reid is back tonight and

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Speaker 4: Kirk Cousins will be made available.