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Speaker 1: This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 2: Thank you to Penn Station. As we get underway here

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Speaker 2: our number three, ESBN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Let's

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Speaker 2: talk Bearcats. A huge one at Nipperts Stadium on Saturday.

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Speaker 2: Bearcat basketball plays on Sunday, and then of course a

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Speaker 2: huge matchup against Louisville at Heritage Banks Arena next Friday night,

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Speaker 2: and then BYU comes into town. So picking up here

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Speaker 2: for the Cincinnati Bearcats. So let's spend time talking about

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Speaker 2: said Bearcats. Austin's favorite, my second favorite, Nickoson. It's Keegan

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Speaker 2: Nickoson joining us right now from Bearcat Jenneral Hi Kegan.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Tony Keg.

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Speaker 2: And you sound healthy, you sound well, You sound much

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Speaker 2: better than the flu game that you had to push through.

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Speaker 3: Well that that's ironic because I actually had food poisoning yesterday.

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Speaker 3: So I'm I'm really. Uh, my recovery rate is very

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Speaker 3: good in terms of them being out for a day.

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Speaker 3: But I'm doing solid.

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Speaker 4: Do you know, like what it was that you ate?

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Speaker 4: You don't have to give like a name brand or anything,

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Speaker 4: but do you know what it was?

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Speaker 3: There's no one in this world I fear more than

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Speaker 3: Zack Stipe, So I'm not going to bring it up.

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Speaker 2: I'll take that and run.

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Speaker 3: Kagan.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's talk about what was at fitth third Arena

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Speaker 2: against the Dayton Flyers, because I feel like you could

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Speaker 2: be on both sides of this one. Sloppy twenty four turnovers,

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Speaker 2: Dayton makes seven percent of their threes, but on the

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Speaker 2: other end, you still find a way to win the

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Speaker 2: game by twelve points, and talking about a win while

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Speaker 2: having things to fix is a lot better than a loss.

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Speaker 2: How did you view the I would say, how do

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Speaker 2: you view the effort that you saw from this Bearcat

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Speaker 3: I think you see was just the better team at

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Speaker 3: the end of the day. I think they were bigger

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Speaker 3: and better And basically I would say every facet except

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Speaker 3: for turnovers. And you know, if you want to put

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Speaker 3: a spin zone on it, you can say, well, we

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Speaker 3: know the one thing they have to work on over

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Speaker 3: three games because the turnovers have been like that kind

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Speaker 3: of really bright flashing warning sign, and I think it's

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Speaker 3: it's mainly due to the fast pace that they're playing with.

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Speaker 3: It's different than what u SE's played with in the

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Speaker 3: past two years. And Wes Miller is not someone who

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Speaker 3: is going to see the struggles with the pace and

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Speaker 3: then kind of changed course. He sounds like he's really

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Speaker 3: committed to it. So it's definitely something that they have

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Speaker 3: to flesh out with that kind of increased chemistry. But

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Speaker 3: maybe the turnovers are just something that it's not going

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Speaker 3: to be twenty four is I think company they had

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Speaker 3: against Stayton. It's not going to be like that every night.

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Speaker 3: But that could be a weak spot for this team.

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Speaker 3: But when you get to that eight minute mark of

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Speaker 3: the second half and you're wearing down the opposition, that's

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Speaker 3: when they can kind of take over. And that's what

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Speaker 3: you saw against Dayton. So they played well. I think

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Speaker 3: they shot it pretty well when they actually couldn't shoot

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Speaker 3: at some point they had turned it over in twenty

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Speaker 3: or fifty possessions, which isn't great, but you know they

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Speaker 3: I think they were just more talented.

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Speaker 2: The talent level is high on this team. What do

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Speaker 2: you make of the style in which they've been able

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Speaker 2: to play through the first three Again, the level of

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Speaker 2: competition will pick up, but it does feel like a

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Speaker 2: team last year they were just searching. At times, you

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Speaker 2: could see the possession unfolding where there wasn't much ball movement.

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Speaker 2: It became a rough shot at the end. I thought

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Speaker 2: at times against Dayton they might have had one or

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Speaker 2: two passes too many. But it does feel different the

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Speaker 2: if it's not there. They do share the ball.

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Speaker 3: Well, Yeah, there's a lot of ball movement, definitely more

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Speaker 3: And that really starts with per Crisa. And you even

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Speaker 3: that they aren't. But I think when you talk about talent,

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Speaker 3: can be. Sham's kind of struggled a little bit, at

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Speaker 3: don't know how anyone shoots over That guy hasn't raped

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Speaker 3: start to see that kind of increases he gets more comfortable.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, those three are great. Kerkkrisa been really good.

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Speaker 3: And then another guy who isn't getting into a lot

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Speaker 3: and he hits those few threes and big spots, and

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Speaker 2: Is there anything you can do personally keeking to help

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Speaker 3: You know, I really don't think so. You kind of

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Speaker 3: game plan, so you have to go somewhere else. Wes

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Speaker 3: Miller was actually talking about it at his radio show

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Speaker 3: did it against Dayton. The other time was in twenty twelve. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: So when you don't have that kind of consistency, maybe

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Speaker 2: I have to ask because this is always fascinating to me,

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Speaker 2: this team, like we saw Jordi Rodriguez and Keishan Tillery's

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Speaker 2: minutes were eliminated in the second half against Dayton, and

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Speaker 2: they did not play particularly well. Both had two turnovers

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Speaker 2: When all is said and done, What do you think

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Speaker 2: the ideal number is for a rotation in the Big

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Speaker 2: twelve to have the most success.

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Speaker 3: I think Wes has actually said before that the rotation

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Speaker 3: actually needs to grow instead of shrink when you get

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Speaker 3: the conference play. I think it needs to be around nine,

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Speaker 3: but that has to be nine guys who can really

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Speaker 3: sake of having a longer rotation that gives some guys

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Speaker 3: some breeders and some breaks. I think it's nine to ten,

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Speaker 3: and you know, I don't really know it's weird. I

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Speaker 3: worked for Uce. So yeah, I would go nine to ten.

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Speaker 2: The matchup against Louisville. Louisville's a great basketball team. We

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Speaker 2: Everyone knows Pat Kelsey's got a very talented team. How

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Speaker 2: far could a win next Friday go for Wes Miller

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Speaker 2: and this team and the trajectory because it feels like

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Speaker 2: one of those wins against an opponent that has just

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Speaker 2: eluded Wes Miller. You're essentially playing it at your back

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Speaker 2: yard heritage bank. But how far would it go to

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Speaker 2: for not only this team, but for Wes in general.

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Speaker 3: It would be absolutely huge. I think it would do

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Speaker 3: they're not ranked in the AP top twenty five. They're

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Speaker 3: it would do a ton. Louisville is legitimately a Final

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Speaker 3: Four contender. I mean, that's how good that team is.

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Speaker 3: it'd be a great thing to kind of get people

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Speaker 3: don't really know what this team's going to be, and

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Speaker 3: through three games we don't have that much more clarity.

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Speaker 3: We've got some kind of like you know, Shana Bay.

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Speaker 3: It's been pretty consistently good. Baba Miller could be one

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Speaker 3: of the better players in the entire Big Twelve. But

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Speaker 3: beating that Louisville team, especially in like an old rivalry

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Speaker 3: expect it to be close to fifty to fifty, if

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Speaker 3: at the very least sixty forty. With Louisville fans.

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Speaker 2: Talk a little bit, Let's let's switch to the football

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Speaker 2: side a few more minutes. You with Keegan nickoson Bearcat

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Speaker 2: journal dot com. Everyone asked over the bye, Keegan, what's

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Speaker 2: different about this year's team compared to last year's team,

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Speaker 2: the team that started five and two and then lost

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Speaker 2: their final five. I thought, I don't know if it

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Speaker 2: at times to get open. Brendan Swerzby didn't have his

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Speaker 2: best day. The special teams unit resorted back to what

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Speaker 2: couldn't get the stops when necessary. What gives you more

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't really know about that game being a

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Speaker 2: Kegan, you're the best, well, you're the second best out

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's basically centered around the how they attack the

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Speaker 3: read that awesome, awesome stuff. Keegan.

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Speaker 2: Careful what you eat?

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Speaker 4: That's that's cool man. How about that though, have you

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