1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,279 Speaker 1: Nate Jackson Studio with me Ryan Edwards. 2 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 2: We're going to have a good friend Parker Gabriel joining 3 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 2: us here about four to thirty. 4 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: Get his thoughts on the lace with the Broncos. 5 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 2: Some big news today, of course, the Minnesota Vikings firing 6 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 2: their general manager, and I bring that up and we're 7 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 2: gonna get to the offensive coordinator stuff here in a second, 8 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 2: but I bring that up. 9 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 1: QUESTI Adolpho Mensa got. 10 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 2: Fired today, which is a weird timing of things because 11 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 2: first of all, he got an extension just last year. 12 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,479 Speaker 2: They decided to out there in Minnesota, pair up the 13 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 2: coaching and the GM and extend them both at the 14 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 2: same time, and then you fast forward a year later 15 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 2: and it's like, Okay, well, I guess you're not here. 16 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 2: And the timing is weird because this is like the 17 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 2: stretch run for front offices. I mean, you can speak 18 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 2: to that of obviously being around the game, but this 19 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 2: is the time when you got everybody out on the roads, 20 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:47,919 Speaker 2: You got all. 21 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: Your scouts out there. You know, they don't come back and. 22 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 2: Check in until March and April, but everybody's out there 23 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 2: at the Senior Bowl. 24 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: They're gonna be out the combine. 25 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 2: I mean, we got a lot of things going on 26 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 2: for front offices right now, getting prepared for free agents. 27 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: In a month and a half. 28 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, the season's not even over yet, 29 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 2: but that's what the front offices are doing right now. 30 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 2: So the timing is a little bit weird on this, 31 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 2: and you find that out for the fact, well, you 32 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 2: know there's people and not get in the loong and 33 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 2: you know whatever, and that's that sort of thing is 34 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 2: going to happen. But one thing I bring up with 35 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 2: this is because George Peyton is going into the final 36 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 2: year of his contract. And it was funny today because 37 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 2: there's some people out in Minnesota that were immediately like, hey, 38 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 2: you know George Payton who used to be here, want 39 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 2: to come back, Want to come back? You know, anyone 40 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 2: stick around there and you know whatever is happening with it, 41 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,759 Speaker 2: because you know, every NFL franchise thinks they're the best 42 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 2: franchise of all time. 43 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: But as far as I understand, George Payton is going 44 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: to get a. 45 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 2: Deal done here, they are going to keep him, as 46 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 2: far as I understand it, as we say here today, 47 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 2: but you wonder if maybe that leverage of Minnesota having 48 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 2: potential interest could give him an opportunity to get this 49 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 2: thing done faster than having to wait. 50 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I think that. 51 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 3: I think that the way that the Walton Penner Group 52 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 3: does business here, it's the first class. As they pay 53 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 3: the guys what they're worth, what they deserve. They honor 54 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 3: the sort of sacrifice and hard work and success and 55 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 3: talent that these guys. 56 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: Have shown, and I think they'll get. 57 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 3: A deal done independent of any sort of leverage points elsewhere. 58 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 3: It's about, you know, what he's done. Since he's been here, 59 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 3: George Payton has been very good. I mean you mentioned 60 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 3: Russell Wilson earlier. 61 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: That was a miss. Randy Gregory, that was a miss, 62 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: a miss. 63 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 3: Not a lot of misses though, I mean, so many 64 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 3: things have worked out for George. The Broncos were one 65 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 3: went away from you know, there were Davon Valley away 66 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:38,959 Speaker 3: from a super Bowl. 67 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:40,959 Speaker 1: And so although that's. 68 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 3: A miss by George because he obviously okay that one, 69 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 3: uh so, on the heels of that one, I might actually. 70 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: Change my two speculatively. 71 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 3: No, I think George Payton is very well respected in 72 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 3: the building. I think his temperament is really good for 73 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 3: Sean Payton. You know, they seem to compliment each other 74 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 3: very well and have done a fantastic good job job 75 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 3: assembling this team. There are not a lot of holes 76 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 3: in this team. They were a really game roster top 77 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 3: to bottom. Guys stepped up and you know, you know PJ. 78 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 3: Lock stepping in and having valuable minutes, and guys when 79 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 3: you know Justin Sternad stepping in and when guys would 80 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 3: get hurt, you know their backup would go in and 81 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 3: play really good football. I think that George Payin's did 82 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 3: a really good job creating a very good roster with 83 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 3: a lot of depth. 84 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: And I hope he's here for a long time. Yeah, 85 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:26,799 Speaker 1: me too. 86 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 2: And of course, great Cutter was asked about giving you 87 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 2: an extension. Actually here's I'll just play the comments that 88 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:33,679 Speaker 2: he said just a couple days ago. 89 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 4: First of all, I'd say the two of them have 90 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 4: we we'd love to have both of them here long term. 91 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 4: I think the partnership they've created and how they work together, 92 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 4: it's it's very complimentary. In terms of their contracts, you know, 93 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 4: those are things that will always deal with on a 94 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 4: personal basis and private uh and you know, take that 95 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 4: as it comes. 96 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 2: So I don't know if they're going to align those 97 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 2: two contracts, but I do think it's remarkable because it's 98 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 2: a few years ago, after the Russell Wilson debacle and 99 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 2: Nathaniel Hackett all of that. There was a lot of 100 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 2: like this is the right guy. But you fast forward 101 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 2: and now we have coaching, continuity of continuity of organization 102 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 2: including ownership, and now everything looks a little bit different now. 103 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 2: And part of the reason why they were in the 104 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 2: position they were is his ability to navigate all of that. 105 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 2: The Russell Wilson dead cap that is pretty remarkable. Five 106 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 2: million in dead cap you've got to navigate over two 107 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 2: years that this team went to the playoffs. Sean Payton 108 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 2: a huge significant part of that, and it's the combination. 109 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 2: I do think there's a complimentary nature to it as well, 110 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 2: because what Seawan probably wants to do sometimes George I 111 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 2: wouldn't say fights against it because I wouldn't be the 112 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 2: correct way, But I do think there's a little bit 113 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 2: of a checks and balances to the way that they 114 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 2: operate each other. And Shawn as a coach wants to 115 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 2: be aggressive at times, probably where George gets to be 116 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 2: a little bit more like Okay, yeah, let's do this, well, 117 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 2: let's do it with this way, and then reason and 118 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 2: then you have ownership going. 119 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: Like, yeah, all that checks out. Let's let's do it 120 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: this way. 121 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 2: And both of you make great points and it just 122 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 2: seems like the communication is very good. And then it's 123 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 2: from the outside looking in or with some knowledge of 124 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 2: how it goes. 125 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: But that feels like something you want to continue to 126 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: build around. That's all. Yeah, I agree. 127 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 3: Football is a very intense sport with a lot of 128 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 3: very intense people and a lot of very intense men 129 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:24,679 Speaker 3: in the sport. 130 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: Coach, coaches, players, a lot of just a lot of this, right, 131 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: come on, And George. 132 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 3: George Peyton has a different temperament, and I think it's 133 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 3: it's a most welcomed difference. They have a guy like 134 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 3: that in the building, who's calm, who doesn't get real 135 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 3: excited about stuff, who's measured, who doesn't just like a 136 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 3: dog like want to run and chase cars. He's not 137 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 3: that way. He's really going to do his research, to 138 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 3: his homework, be calm about things. I think that really 139 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:57,559 Speaker 3: goes over well to kind of counteract you know, Sean 140 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 3: Payton's excitability and his sort of personality. 141 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 2: So we found out today that Pete Carmichael took the 142 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 2: job out in Buffalo. So the Broncos when they fired 143 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 2: Joe Lombardi, there was this like, all right, well, who's 144 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 2: going to be the next Person's going to be an 145 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 2: internal candidate or are they going to go outside? And 146 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 2: then you got the report like a few hours later 147 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 2: from Ian saying that well, actually Sean had reached out 148 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 2: to Joe Brady, who's now the head coach of the 149 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills, about being his offensive coordinator and calling plays. 150 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: That's right. 151 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 2: So I know this people that are still in disbelief 152 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 2: about the idea that Sean Payton would give up play calling. 153 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 2: But now you fast forward a little bit, and I 154 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 2: don't know Davi's web. If he ends up who's been 155 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 2: interviewing all over the place, if. 156 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 1: He ends up being the offensive coordinator, would give him 157 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: play calling duties? Yeah I would too. Yeah. Sean Payton 158 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 1: has eluded. 159 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 3: He's started to walk down this path several times in 160 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 3: press conferences and stuff, is saying, you know, he's basically 161 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 3: saying like there will be a point at which I 162 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 3: can't do it anymore. 163 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 1: It's not yet. He's been saying it. 164 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, it's the whole driving in 165 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 3: the rain thing, right, Remember he said that I could 166 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 3: still drive in the rain relative to thunderstorms. But like, 167 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 3: maybe he's starting to second guess himself a little bit, 168 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 3: and that's the point at which you got to step back, 169 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 3: you know, and seed control to someone who isn't gonna 170 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 3: second guess themselves. 171 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: The question is what involvement would. 172 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 3: Sean Payton still have in the creation of the offense 173 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 3: and the game plan and installation and all that. 174 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: You know, when Mike Shanahan was when I played here. 175 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 3: Mike Shanahan obviously is an offensive mind, but he wasn't 176 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 3: the offensive coordinator. I'm sure he was heavily involved in 177 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 3: the game planning of the offense. They probably put it 178 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 3: to put it together together, but then Gary Kubiak. 179 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: Would stand in front of us and install it. 180 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 3: And then on game days, Gary Kubiak will call the plays. 181 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 3: But Mike Shanahan was on the headset, and to my knowledge, 182 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 3: I think this is how it went. If he didn't 183 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 3: agree with a play, he could overrule it, but other 184 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 3: than that, he just let Gary get into his groove. 185 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 3: And I think very rarely overruled the play that Gary 186 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 3: was calling because Gary had a good finger on the polls. 187 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 3: He had a good connection with the players, and I 188 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 3: think that's a system that works well. Sean Payton's a 189 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 3: different kind of coach though than Mike Shanahan in a 190 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 3: lot of ways. You know, you go to a practice 191 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,319 Speaker 3: now with the Broncos, Shohn Payton does a lot of 192 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 3: talking at the practice. He'll stop practice and do a 193 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 3: lot of coaching. Mike Shanahan wasn't that way. Mike Shanahan 194 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 3: stood off in the distance and allowed all his other 195 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 3: coaches to coach and only interjected when he really really 196 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 3: felt it was needed. And other than that, he addressed 197 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:55,079 Speaker 3: us once at the beginning of the day, the team meeting, 198 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 3: fifteen minute meeting, whatever it was, and then once after practice, 199 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 3: bring it up, take a knee, and he would just 200 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 3: talk about their practice and that was it. That was 201 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 3: all you would hear Mike Shanahan talk all day long. 202 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 3: Sean Payton, I think speaks a little bit more. 203 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: And so. 204 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 3: How would that transition go for him? I think would 205 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 3: be a big challenge. But you got to listen, you know, 206 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 3: to what's going on with your team, and if the 207 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 3: team needs it. If they need a fresh start in there, 208 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 3: you gotta give it to him. 209 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 1: On multitude fronts. 210 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 2: We'll get his thoughts on what's going to happen here 211 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 2: with Davis Webb. The Broncos, by the way, have satisfied 212 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 2: the Rooney rule, so today they ended up getting They 213 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 2: have interviewed Commander's assistant head coach, offensive passing game coordinator 214 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 2: Brian Johnson, so. 215 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: They have checked off those two boxes. And I do 216 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 1: think listen for us Worth. 217 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 2: I'm not even saying that in a way that sounds dismissive, 218 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 2: because it does feel that way at times when we're 219 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 2: talking about the Rey rule, it feels like a a 220 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 2: box to check. I do think that it should be 221 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 2: viewed a little bit different. It's just unfortunately the NFL 222 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 2: doesn't have a better system in place yet. But that's 223 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 2: where we're at right now. So that's why I say 224 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:13,559 Speaker 2: they've satisfied the Ruining rule. Either of these two guys 225 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 2: that they interviewed could end up being the coordinator. I 226 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 2: still think Davis Webb has got a really good chance. 227 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 2: He turned down. We found it last night. He's not 228 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 2: gonna be the Raiders head coach. 229 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:27,559 Speaker 1: And by the way. Have we ever heard Davis Webs speak, Yeah. 230 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 3: I've never. I've never I've never heard him speak. Yeah, 231 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 3: So I just what does the voice sound like? It 232 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 3: sounds like a dude, normal guy. Doesn't sound like your 233 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 3: impression of the act. 234 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: You know, Come on, guys that. 235 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 2: Catch the ball, that's that's not gonna work for for 236 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 2: if you're gonna be a secret sir, if you're gonna 237 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 2: be a play caller. 238 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 3: His star is really rising though, Oh my gosh, yes, 239 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 3: why I mean not that, like, obviously he's not talented, 240 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 3: but he's only been doing this for a couple of 241 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 3: years now. Bo's been playing good, but he hasn't had 242 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 3: any decision making kind of responsibilities. Is it just one 243 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 3: of those things where it's like the next hot like 244 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 3: next America's next top model thing like when it comes 245 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:19,199 Speaker 3: to coaches, I. 246 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: Think it could be a multitude of things. 247 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 2: I say, you saw Sean mannon former quarterback get an 248 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 2: offensive coordinator job too. There's this Well, first of all, 249 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 2: it's the timing right, because there's not a lot of 250 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 2: offensive names in the cycle this year for coaching, there's 251 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 2: eleven jobs that ended up ten eleven jobs that ended 252 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 2: up opening up, they're not as many offensive names, a 253 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 2: lot more defensive names, So the pool is a little 254 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 2: more shallow with offensive names. 255 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: I think that's a. 256 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 2: And then B you say, well, a guy that speaks 257 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 2: that language to a quarterback, especially for the Raiders, they're 258 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 2: gonna be drafting a quarterback first overall, right, Banana Mendoza, 259 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 2: wouldn't it be great to have a guy in the 260 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 2: building that speaks that language, that played the position, that 261 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 2: can help talk him through what it's like to do 262 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 2: this job, because sometimes you talk about a head coach 263 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 2: and offense. Well, I mean, so you started with the 264 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 2: quarterbacks coach, which is gonna be the closest thing, But 265 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 2: then you say, well, how can that filter to the 266 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 2: rest of the team, especially on the offensive side of 267 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 2: the ball, if he's a guy that actually played the 268 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,079 Speaker 2: game right, Because sometimes and it doesn't mean like you know, 269 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 2: because Kyle Shanahan and he played in college, but like 270 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 2: what he does at the pro level, he's brilliant. 271 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:31,439 Speaker 1: But but you know, he. 272 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 2: Comes off of being under Mike Shanahan for so long, 273 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 2: and there's that coaching tree. 274 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: I guess the point of it. 275 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 2: Is is like there's this new drive to have more 276 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 2: voices that have played coaching, and you're seeing a really 277 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 2: at all positions, not even just on the offensive side 278 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 2: of the ball too. 279 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just, you know, the offensive coordinator has to 280 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 3: stand up there and talk a lot. 281 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. 282 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 3: And he's a young guy and he's not used to it, 283 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 3: so I'm sure he's ready for that. But it's just 284 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 3: a different job, you know, of being the eyes and 285 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 3: ears to your quarterback and your quarterback coach and going 286 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 3: over what the quarterback is doing. Now you're talking to 287 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 3: the offensive line, you're talking to the receivers, you're talking 288 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 3: to the tight end, you're talking big picture about what 289 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 3: we're trying to accomplish. 290 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:13,199 Speaker 1: And it's a it's it's a. 291 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 3: Testament to the impression that he's made on all the 292 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 3: coaches and everyone around him. I just don't, you know, 293 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 3: Hopefully it's the right pacing for him to maximize his potential, 294 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 3: right And I do think that him becoming an offensive 295 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 3: coordinator in here would be better for him than going 296 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 3: somewhere else and becoming an offensive coordinator, because the guys 297 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 3: know him here agreed it would be a transition that 298 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 3: they were they were anticipating. They probably talked to each 299 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 3: other about it in the locker room already. Didn't he 300 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 3: call plays in that one game in the preseason? Everything 301 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 3: looked great everything did him look like Tom Brady? That's 302 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 3: right and everybody that. Yeah, they ran the ball, they 303 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 3: did some play action. They threw the. 304 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 1: Ball down field bout a boom by a bay. Hey, 305 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: so why did you do that? I mean I loved it? 306 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 3: Why because it looked when it looks when it when 307 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 3: it looks like that. 308 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: When it's just like, is Davis Italian? 309 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 3: Like, yeah, Davis Webb, that's an Italian name. 310 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just didn't know. I didn't know that. 311 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 5: Well. 312 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: I guess I coulda looked it up, but Google would 313 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: tell me it might be Sicilian. 314 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, all right, we'll come back. We get Parker 315 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 2: Gabriel's take out it that's come up text the Broncos 316 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 2: off season. Gosh, so sucks that we're here, but very 317 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 2: excited to head out to the Kaylee thomaspirit Hell Highline 318 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 2: and bring on a good friend of the program, the 319 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 2: one and only Parker Gabriel with the diver post at 320 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 2: Parker J. Gabriel on Twitter X whatever you want to 321 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 2: call it, Pett Parker It's. 322 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: Great to catch up with you. Nate Jackson, Ryan Umberts, 323 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: how are you, man? 324 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 5: I'm doing great. How are you guys doing? 325 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: We're doing greats. 326 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 2: We were just talking about the Broncos offensive coordinator. So 327 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 2: I'll start with how surprised were you we found out 328 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 2: on Tuesday? And of course it was after our media session, naturally, 329 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 2: but how surprise were you about the Joel lombardin news? 330 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 2: And now that the Broncos have satisfied the Ruinnie rule, 331 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 2: how quickly do you think they'll move to name their 332 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 2: offensive coordinator? 333 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 5: Yeah? I guess the first part. First, I for like 334 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 5: one moment I was surprised, and then I guess not 335 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 5: so much. You know, obviously he's got a lot of 336 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 5: history with Joe Lombardi. But I thought Sean Payton as 337 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 5: he was talking on Tuesday, and you know, I think 338 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 5: we flagged it real time and then obviously it picked 339 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 5: up in retrospect too, But I just thought he expressed 340 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 5: them discontent with sort of more than one thing offensively, 341 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 5: and if you look and carefully, he said he went 342 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 5: into Zach Street's office and talked about you know, run 343 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 5: game and what the off season looked like and all 344 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 5: that he didn't say that he went into his offensive 345 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 5: coordinator's office and asked about that. So certainly, like I 346 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 5: came away from it thinking Kerry Colbert was probably in 347 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 5: trouble after his demonstration on the basics of catching the football, 348 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 5: and then Joel Lombardi two, and then obviously since Pete 349 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 5: Carmichael has left. And yeah, I mean, I think, as 350 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 5: you mentioned, I mean, they've sort of now in the 351 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 5: OC search, they've satisfied the requirements for the Runey rule. 352 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 5: They've talked with Ronald Curry and then the passing game 353 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 5: coordinator Brian Johnson from the Washington Commander. So I would 354 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 5: think any old time here, certainly it would seem as 355 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 5: though Davis Webson's strung position. 356 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 3: All right, So they're looking for an offensive coordinator, and 357 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 3: they're also going to be looking to upgrade the offense 358 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 3: at certain positions. What kind of turnover do you see 359 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 3: where do they need to improve? 360 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think, I mean, you'd know better 361 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 5: than me, but I would think that they could stand 362 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 5: upgrade at all three of the sort of playmaking positions 363 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 5: wide receiver, tight end, and running back. Certainly, they just 364 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 5: they need more out of the tight end room overall, 365 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 5: and they need more of the running back. They need 366 00:16:57,840 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 5: the sort of production they got from the running back 367 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 5: room when Jay Kay Dobins was healthy. So whether that's 368 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 5: you know, Dobbyns and Harvey sort of back at the 369 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 5: one two punch next year, whether that's you know, drafting 370 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:10,439 Speaker 5: another back to play with Harvey, finding somebody else in 371 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 5: the free agent market, Like, there's a lot of ways 372 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 5: to address that room tight end. It sort of feels 373 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 5: a little bit trickier, whether it's you know, taking somebody 374 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 5: early in the draft that you're hoping can play right away, 375 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 5: whether it's free agency like there's only or the trade market. 376 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 5: I mean, I think they were in on some tight 377 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 5: ends before the trade deadline that didn't materialize. So I 378 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 5: just think like any of those three positions or position 379 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 5: groups they could they could stand to address over the 380 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 5: next you know, three or four months. 381 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 2: I'm going to go back to the OC for just 382 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 2: a second, because we got a report from Ian with 383 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 2: NFL Network saying that he had reached that Sean reached 384 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 2: out to Joe Brady about being the offensive coordinator. Of course, 385 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 2: the very next day they named him Bill's head coach. 386 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 2: And it's like, okay, well, not a big deal. But 387 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 2: the end and act reports was you might give up 388 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 2: play calling, and I think me, along with many people 389 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 2: out there, were a bit stunned about the idea of that. 390 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 2: Do you think that's a possibility with this next jose Higher, Yeah, 391 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 2: I do. 392 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 5: Think it's a possibility, which even you know, a month ago, 393 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 5: I would have said, you're crazy. I don't know for sure. 394 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 5: Obviously depends on who it is. Like, here's a lot 395 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:19,239 Speaker 5: of trust in Joe Brady. I think he's got a 396 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 5: growing amount of trust in Davis Webbs. And the other 397 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 5: thing that, like the thing I found interesting about that 398 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 5: Ryan Like remember when Sean was talking on Tuesday, he 399 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 5: sort of casually mentioned, oh yeah, I just talked to 400 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 5: Joe Brady ago, and then there was a report that 401 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 5: you know it at least like sort of floated that 402 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 5: idea about calling plays. Now, you know, Ian obviously tremendous reporter, 403 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 5: plugged into everything in the league. There wasn't a time 404 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 5: element on that. So was it like, hey, come here 405 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 5: and nobody calling plays from the start? Was it let's 406 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 5: see how it goes and maybe it's year one, Maybe 407 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 5: it's if you don't get a head coaching job after 408 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 5: the first year. I don't know, Like I don't I 409 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 5: don't think we have a clear I don't think we 410 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 5: have a clear like hard and fast, like yes, definitely, 411 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 5: Joe Brady was gonna come in and call plays from 412 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 5: the start, and it was gonna be his thing. Maybe 413 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 5: like maybe it was a little bit more nebulous than that. 414 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 5: And I think, I don't know. I think they'll be 415 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 5: clarity with Davis web one way or the other. Now 416 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 5: if he gets hired, will they come out and say, hey, 417 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 5: Davis is going to be the primary play caller right away? 418 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 5: Will it's sort of unfold I don't know. But given 419 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:30,479 Speaker 5: the way Sean Peyton has been sort of reflective of 420 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 5: himself as a play caller down the stretch of the 421 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 5: season and into the playoffs, and given all these sorts 422 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 5: of different tea leaves and all of that, like, I 423 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 5: guess I'm at least of the mind that a changing 424 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 5: of the guard in that respect could be at hand. 425 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 5: And that's just something that I don't think any of 426 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 5: us could have even thought we'd be talking about in 427 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 5: like a real way, you know, within the last couple 428 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 5: of months. 429 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 3: Let's talk about the defense a little bit Parker, because 430 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 3: defense clearly the strength of this team, a championship caliber 431 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 3: defense that kind of picked up the slack for the 432 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 3: offense all year long. Yeah, put a couple of those guys, 433 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 3: maybe maybe out the door. 434 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: I mean, do we do. 435 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 3: We think Alex Singleton will still be here justin Sternad 436 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 3: What about middle linebacker position? 437 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 5: Well, the fact, I mean, ye, it's a great question. Hey, Like, 438 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 5: I think it's maybe one of the most interesting groups 439 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 5: on the roster this offseason, just because you know, brought 440 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 5: Drake Greenlaw in last spring sort of on the on 441 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 5: the acknowledgment that they needed to upgrade at that position. 442 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 5: And then I thought like, obviously, you know green Law 443 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 5: struggle would say healthy and all that. But I thought, like, 444 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 5: I know, Alex Singleton catches a lot of flak. Like 445 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 5: I thought he and stern Id probably had each had 446 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 5: their best seasons. I don't I don't know that they're 447 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 5: going to say, hey, that that's a good enough duo 448 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 5: to win a Super Bowl with. Maybe they will, but 449 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 5: I just sort of think like green Law is the 450 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 5: only one of the trio that's actually under contract for 451 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 5: next year. Although it would be easy enough to move 452 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 5: on from who if they decided they wanted to do that, 453 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 5: But I also don't know can they pay, you know, 454 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 5: Singleton's both sort of like starting linebacker money and to 455 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 5: keep Dray green Law and extend Jakwan macmillan. Like that's 456 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:09,199 Speaker 5: just there's a lot of mouths to feed on That 457 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 5: defense is a good problem to have. I just like 458 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 5: Vance Joseph has been so adamant about Alex Singleton and 459 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 5: he's called the defense and all of that. Like, I 460 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 5: guess I could see them picking Sirnad just the way 461 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 5: he played this year. But it's a really fascinating group. 462 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 5: I don't think all three of those guys around the 463 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 5: roster next year. I wouldn't be surprised if two of 464 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 5: them were. And then you get into like a really 465 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 5: interesting conversation about you know which of those two it 466 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 5: might be talking. 467 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: With Parker Gabriel from the Denver Post. 468 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,479 Speaker 2: So you mentioned Vance Joseph, I definitely want to get 469 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 2: your perspective on if he's going to be the defensive 470 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 2: coordinator for the Broncos. It seems like the interview cycles 471 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 2: cooled a bit on him, So air you a little 472 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 2: surprised on that, and then be you think he's back 473 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 2: here as our defensive coordinator next year. 474 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, at this point, I do, like, I just don't. 475 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 5: I don't see where there's a head coaching job for him. 476 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 5: Which again, like if you would have if you would 477 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 5: have rebound the tape two months and said there was 478 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 5: going to be ten head coaching openings, I just I 479 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 5: guess I just would have been surprised that he didn't 480 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 5: get one. But it doesn't at this point, like and less, 481 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 5: unless one of the two remaining teams sort of like 482 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 5: takes a turn off of their current course, it just 483 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 5: doesn't seem like it's going to happen. I mean, I 484 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 5: think in that way, like I think the Broncos are 485 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 5: will be incredibly fortunate to get him back for another year. 486 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,640 Speaker 5: I know he'll be disappointed and not get a job, 487 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 5: but it just you know, they've been a top like 488 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 5: group the last two years there. They have a big 489 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 5: core of defensive players coming back. They're sort of like 490 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 5: PhD level in a lot of ways and running his system, 491 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,360 Speaker 5: and I think it would be sort of the surprise 492 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 5: of the ausseason, so to speak, like no surprise. Davis. 493 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 5: Web's got a lot of attention to no surprise, Jim 494 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 5: Leonard is getting coordinated, you know, interviews all over the place. 495 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 5: I guess it's just a little surprising that we're talking 496 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 5: about seemingly lining up for Vans to be back next year. 497 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 1: So why, in your opinion did it cool for advance? 498 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 1: Was it because they kept playing? Is that to have 499 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: some kind of impact? 500 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 5: I mean, that's a great question. Like I probably to 501 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 5: some degree, Like I don't know, it could be more 502 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 5: than one thing. It could be it could be the 503 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 5: you know, the way the interviews specifically went, Like I 504 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 5: just but I don't know. I just can't. It's hard 505 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 5: for me to It's hard for me to imagine that 506 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 5: he wasn't prepared like he just you talk to anybody 507 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 5: around him, talk to him like he's learned a lot, 508 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 5: He's taken a lot of notes, he's observed. He knows 509 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 5: what went wrong the first time he was a head coach, 510 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,439 Speaker 5: and I think he's built a plan to present the 511 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 5: teams that addresses all of those things. What's the planet quarterback? 512 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 5: Who's your staff? You know, how do you lead the 513 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 5: whole group? What do you do with it? You know, 514 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 5: in terms of play calling defensively, Like these are all 515 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 5: the things that you know, if they trip you up 516 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 5: the first time around, you tend to sort of tighten 517 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 5: up for when you did a second chance. So I 518 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 5: just like, I'm not quite sure. I don't think the 519 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,679 Speaker 5: schedule helped him, you know. I mean, you're talking about 520 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 5: talking with five or six or seven teams while you're 521 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 5: also trying to get ready to play Buffalo. But man, 522 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,679 Speaker 5: I mean, that's that's it's hard to me, Like, I 523 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 5: just I don't. I don't. My first gut is into 524 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,919 Speaker 5: like put on Vantas's shoulders. Like, I just find it 525 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 5: really hard to believe that out of ten teams, there's 526 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 5: not somebody out there that could have that could have, 527 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 5: you know, come to the conclusion that he'd be a 528 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 5: good fit. 529 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 3: Parker Courtland Sudden, Bronco's leading receiver seventy four catches, one 530 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 3: seventeen yards, seven touchdowns. Is Courtland Sutton the number one 531 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 3: receiver on the Broncos next year? 532 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 5: Uh? Well, that's that's a good question. I mean, probably, 533 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 5: but not for lack of trying. Like they need to 534 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 5: find a guy who, you know, who pairs well with 535 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 5: someton let's put it that way. And whether it's like 536 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 5: one A and one B or like, obviously you'd like 537 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 5: to find a guy who's the true number one, who 538 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 5: can do everything, play all the spots, run all the routes, 539 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 5: you know, all of that. But they're not easy to find, 540 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 5: and I don't I'm not sure that their approach is 541 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 5: going to change so much in the like, hey, let's 542 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 5: try to pay George picking thirty five million a year 543 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 5: or whatever, you know, pay top of the market for 544 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 5: these guys, like ideally you you know, Sean Payton and 545 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,199 Speaker 5: George Payton have never been high on the idea of 546 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,360 Speaker 5: paying sort of top rate for two wide receivers. It's 547 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 5: a hard way to have your roster aligned, especially with 548 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,679 Speaker 5: the resources they have invested in the offensive line, the 549 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 5: defensive line. You're forecasting a bone mix extension, you know, 550 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,880 Speaker 5: maybe eighteen months from now. So, like all of these things, 551 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 5: the way their roster is built, they're really not set 552 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 5: to have two sort of like premium pay wide receivers, 553 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 5: nor do I think they want to be. So then 554 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 5: the question is like, can you find one in the 555 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 5: draft or turn one of your own guys into that? 556 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 5: And not impossible. You find really good receivers all over 557 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 5: the draft, but we haven't seen Denver sort of like 558 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,120 Speaker 5: mega hit on a wide receiver in the draft really 559 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 5: in quite a long time. 560 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 1: Our last one, Parker. 561 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 2: I always appreciate the time man, great insights and again 562 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 2: tremendous writer there for the Denver post. Just and I 563 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 2: like that you added some clarity after the fact when 564 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 2: bow Nick spoke a couple of days ago and he 565 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,159 Speaker 2: kind of dropped that information on us about Hey, I 566 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,199 Speaker 2: don't know why we're talking about past injuries and all 567 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 2: those kinds of things. And the clarity that you added 568 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 2: was great because you said, well, Sean was talking about 569 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,640 Speaker 2: a predisposition, but he was more talking about in terms 570 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 2: there was a fracture that was beginning to grow, and 571 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 2: I thought that was important context that really got kind 572 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 2: of swept aside on the TMZ level back and forth 573 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 2: of what this looks like is it's coaching a quarterback 574 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,439 Speaker 2: kind of going back and forth through the media. What 575 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 2: was your overall takeaway from that experience this week? 576 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 5: Well, I think that you know, sometimes with Sean Payton, 577 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 5: like you know, you get you get most of it, 578 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,199 Speaker 5: and you don't quite get all of the details. And 579 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,959 Speaker 5: that's fine, Like you know, he's not he doesn't. He 580 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 5: doesn't usually give a lot of sort of detail and 581 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 5: sometimes after the fact though he does. That's what you know. 582 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 5: I don't think it was. Hey, he went out of 583 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 5: his way to say a bunch of stuff, you know, 584 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 5: off the cuff about boone mix or anything like that. 585 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 5: I mean, but he he gets written and sometimes you know, 586 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 5: says more than other times or whatever. But what what 587 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 5: what really happened was when he said pre you know, 588 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 5: condition that predisposed the you know, boat to getting hurt. 589 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 5: When you pick that and you combine it with the 590 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 5: fact that you know, Nick Bernix has had multiple injuries 591 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 5: on each of his ankles going back to high school. 592 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 5: Like it's just really that sounds like what you're saying 593 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 5: is that there's a longer you know, sort of like 594 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:43,679 Speaker 5: a more uh you know, not chronic, but just is 595 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 5: there some sort of recurring issue or some sort of condition. 596 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 5: Really what it was which he had a stress fracture. 597 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 5: Like when they did the surgery, they saw that he 598 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 5: had a structure racture that had already formed and that 599 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 5: was the sort of you know, precondition or whatever that's 600 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 5: set up the fracture. And like he was explained to me, 601 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 5: was had he made it through the end of the 602 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 5: year without it actually breaking. 603 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: The stress for actually. 604 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 5: Likely would have healed on its own over the winner, 605 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,439 Speaker 5: and he may have never even really known that it 606 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 5: was an issue. So like in that way, you know, 607 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 5: it's obviously you know, misfortune on the injury front and 608 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 5: all of that. In terms of bo Knicks, like you know, 609 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 5: I don't. I don't think it's this massive rift between 610 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 5: Sean Payton and bow Knicks. But I do think that 611 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 5: Bo Nicks heard a lot of what was being said, 612 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,959 Speaker 5: you know, publicly and reporting wise and all of that 613 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,479 Speaker 5: first then from his own coach, and decided, you know what, 614 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 5: I need to set the record straight on all of this, 615 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 5: not just on Sean, but on sort of the whole 616 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 5: picture and the whole conversation around his injury. 617 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 3: Parker, why do you think, you know, for a coach 618 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 3: who's so tight with his words when when talking about 619 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 3: injured players didn't want to talk about anyone's injuries ever, 620 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 3: why do you think he was so loose with his 621 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 3: tongue to discuss in detail all of Bo's injury issues 622 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 3: in his medical file. 623 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 6: Essentially, Yeah, it's interesting because I think there I think 624 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 6: there's a delineation to make with Sean, like he doesn't 625 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 6: say anything about injuries during the regular season and during 626 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 6: game weeks, but like during training camp, if a guy 627 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 6: gets hurt, sometimes it's like he holds up the. 628 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 5: MRI almost you know, with Drake Greenlaw's squad, he was 629 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 5: he went into this like extensive detail about you know, 630 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 5: where the injury was compared to where the original one was. 631 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 5: And there was a couple of years ago, I mean 632 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 5: it was Marvin Men's rookie year. I just remember him. 633 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 5: He started talking about Oh and then like you know, 634 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 5: Nick Benito, before Benito signed the deal, he's talking about 635 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 5: like specifically what the bones fur was and all of this, 636 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 5: And so like part of it to me is that 637 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 5: Sean Payton is just wired on. Like during the game, 638 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 5: during the game week, he will not tell you anything 639 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 5: that he think has anything to do with the game. 640 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 5: But like outside of the like getting ready for a game, 641 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 5: when he's at the microphone, he's sort of liable to 642 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 5: say anything. And that, at least in my experience, like 643 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 5: that has included talking about injury situations or sort of 644 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 5: where guys are in their rehab and a lot more information, 645 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 5: you know, when you're not talking about Wednesday or Friday 646 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 5: of a game week, and so like to me, like, 647 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 5: I think that largely explains it. I don't think there's 648 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 5: a lot more to it than that. But like, I 649 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 5: don't think it's going out on a limb to suggest that, 650 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 5: you know, Boenix probably would have preferred that wasn't the 651 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 5: case in the scenario. 652 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, perfectly explained, Parker. Really appreciate the insight as always, 653 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 2: my friend, Thank you so much. And maybe you know, 654 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 2: take a couple of beats and take some breasts before 655 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 2: we get going with the combine and free agency. 656 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, maybe let's uh maybe put a couple 657 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 5: of coaches in the boat before or before that, But yeah, 658 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 5: I agree with you. It's a downtime. Will Well maybe 659 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 5: actually arrive. 660 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 2: Here at some point soon maybe maybe appreciate you man, 661 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 2: Thank you, Thanks Parker. 662 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 1: All right, Parker Gabriel never post does a great job. 663 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 2: And I love that he offered that insight because then 664 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 2: when it initially happened, and I think he said it perfectly, 665 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 2: like Hey, if you're bow and you're listening to this, 666 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 2: you're just like, man, come on now, Like I'm not 667 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 2: injury prone. I have a predisposition. I'm not going to 668 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 2: be hurt ankles the rest of my career. Like, no 669 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 2: player wants that we're talking about during the break. No 670 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 2: player ever wants to be termed injury prone. 671 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: We heard JK. 672 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 2: Dobbins just this week say don't call me that, so 673 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 2: you know you're hearing that. And I said, at the 674 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 2: moment when we found out bo Nix was talking, I 675 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 2: was like, this is really rare because IR players don't talk. 676 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 2: They don't talk to the media. This is a rule, Like, 677 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 2: I mean, you can do whatever you want. You're, you know, 678 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 2: a grown man. But we typically don't get those opportunities 679 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,719 Speaker 2: as media to talk to players on IR. So for 680 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 2: him to for them to schedule a press conference was 681 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 2: a little bit of a departure. And then he comes 682 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 2: out and he wants to sort of set the record strade, 683 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 2: and yeah, I think Mike cliss I asked a very 684 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 2: honest question, say hey, well your coach is saying these things. 685 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 2: He's like, well, I don't think you should be saying 686 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 2: these things because that's not who I am, that's not 687 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 2: what's going on, and they're the point from Parker. The 688 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 2: stress fracture was developing and ultimately that makes sense to 689 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 2: me why Sean was saying, well, the doctor told me. 690 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: That he was going to have this at some point. 691 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is part of the industry of the business 692 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 3: that I actually despise the conjecture prognosticating about another player's health. 693 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: And this should be private stuff. We shouldn't be you know. 694 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 3: And I know we're talking about it because everybody's talking 695 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 3: about it because coach talked about it, because coach offered 696 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 3: up details he shouldn't have. 697 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: In my opinion, that's private. That's up to the player 698 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: if he wants to divulge that. 699 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 3: It's up to the training staff to keep it under wraps, 700 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 3: and it's up to the coach not to mention it. 701 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 3: Don't talk about it. I mean Bill Belichick or Bell 702 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 3: Belichick nice, I would never give you anything about, you know, 703 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 3: a player's injury. And I know that a lot of 704 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 3: that has gamesman ship during the season, and Parker articulated 705 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 3: that that there's a separation between Sean Payton when he's 706 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 3: game planning and not trying to tip off anything versus 707 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 3: training camp and postseason Sean, but speaking as a player 708 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 3: from a player's perspective, keep that information out of the media. 709 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 3: Don't put my medical details into the world. So guys 710 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 3: like us and every other radio station and TV station 711 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 3: and podcast in town is talking about my body like that. 712 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 3: I don't like that. I don't think it's helpful for 713 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 3: me in my career. And by the way, if you're 714 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 3: Max Crosby or some d lineman on on some AFC 715 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 3: West team, I'm I'm taking note when I hear you 716 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 3: talk about your quarterback's weakness. 717 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: What is his weakness? His ankles? 718 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 3: Check? 719 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 1: Thanks, coach. 720 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 3: So when we play you, I'm gonna I'm gonna land 721 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 3: on your ankles, dude, and I. 722 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 1: Hope they don't break. It's I just think it's bad 723 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 1: for them all around. 724 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 3: Uh, the access to these guys' body, to their health, 725 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 3: to their medical details is it to me? 726 00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 1: It goes too far. And we think it's public record. 727 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 1: We think it's fine. Let's just chat. 728 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 3: Tell me more you know about the details of your 729 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 3: past medical history. Well, how would you feel, Ryan if 730 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 3: I opened up your medical file started talking about all the. 731 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 1: Procedures you had done, Well, it would be a little weird. 732 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,320 Speaker 2: But I will say this to your point, and I 733 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 2: agree on the surface, everything you said is absolutely correct, 734 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 2: and I'm not trying to be argumented it but I 735 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 2: said this on Wednesday when we've heard from bo Nix. 736 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 2: Professional sports is unlike anything else in close to real life. 737 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 2: Like we don't know what people's salaries are yet, we 738 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,439 Speaker 2: discussed that openly, right, we don't know medical history yet. Again, 739 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 2: there's no hip of violation for Sean Payton to talk 740 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,400 Speaker 2: openly about players Hidley. But if you did that, if 741 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,919 Speaker 2: you started talking openly about me, well then yeah, you'd 742 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 2: be in violation. 743 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: So it's not real life like. 744 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 3: Novidzise are real people, real people, human beings to deal 745 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,359 Speaker 3: with the same things that you and I deal with, 746 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 3: and so it. 747 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,759 Speaker 1: Should be more like real life. It should be. But 748 00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,879 Speaker 1: it's just not. No, but it should be. 749 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,319 Speaker 3: And the NFLPA, the players Union should push back on 750 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 3: transgressions like this to keep these files more private. 751 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 1: These details should be more private. 752 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 2: But you know why the practice reports are out there 753 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 2: in the first place, of course. 754 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,360 Speaker 3: Because people trying to make money on this, right, that's right. 755 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 3: We need accurate betting lines, that's right. Yeah, So the 756 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,839 Speaker 3: reason why he cares if they're not as nobody's going 757 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 3: to talk about the gamblers date somebody's gonna worry about 758 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 3: the gamblers. 759 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:30,840 Speaker 1: Are you gonna try some they don't matter? 760 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 3: The problem is no, I'm not going to tell you 761 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 3: that they clearly matter. But the problem is that this 762 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,800 Speaker 3: sort of conjecture about a player's health actually has a 763 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 3: psychological effect on that player's readiness absolutely. 764 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,760 Speaker 1: And his ability to get back on the field. 765 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 3: Or rush himself back if a timeline is created, for example, 766 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:54,240 Speaker 3: that's inaccurate, but based on conjecture and a belief around 767 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,720 Speaker 3: town that he should be ready to go. I'm not ready, 768 00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,280 Speaker 3: but guess what everyone thinks I should be. They're pounding 769 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 3: the drum for it. That's so I'm gonna go out 770 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 3: there and break it again