1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: See that's the Tom Win myth. He's an absolute fraud. 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 1: He won with somebody else's team leaders and culture. He 3 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: left the organization in worse shape than when he got here. 4 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: That's undeniable. He took over a team that won a 5 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: super Bowl two years prior. It ain't gonna win a 6 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: Super Bowl again in two years. That's cold and it's crappy, 7 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: but it's reality. And as we talked about with Tom, 8 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: because Tom Win left the team crappier than he did 9 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: when he got here, it's not a good job. 10 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 2: I talked about that at the open of the show. 11 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 1: Freeman Signetti, even Stefanski, which they're not going to talk 12 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: to anyway, and even some of the top coordinators they 13 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: are talking to, like they asked permission just a little 14 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: bit ago to talk to Chris Shula, the Rams defensive coordinator, 15 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: and Shielhausen whatever his name is that sounds like that 16 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: sounds like the German family's name from beer Fest, the Shieldhausens. Uh, 17 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 1: he's their passing game coordinator. They ask for permission to 18 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 1: talk to him. If those guys get a better opportunity, 19 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 1: they're not going to come to Pittsburgh, and they might 20 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: because there are The New York Giants are a better 21 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: opportunity than the Steelers. And I know a lot of 22 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 1: you are recoiling and hatred for me and sputtering and 23 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: doing spit takes. New York got a quarterback, they got 24 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: Jackson Darts. The Steelers have buppkus. Oh yeah, Will Howard. 25 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 1: And by the way, I'm gonna have to start talking 26 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 1: Will Howard up because I want to see them do 27 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: the de Fabo gambit. Actually we call it the Will 28 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,559 Speaker 1: Howard gambit by way of distancing it from de Fabo, 29 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: so I can take credit for the idea when he 30 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: doesn't write the obvious column. But Defabo says to play. 31 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: Will Howard is a starter for a year. The fans 32 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: love him, and they wouldn't turn on him for a 33 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: while on their way to four and thirteen. And then 34 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: you draft uh Arch. I've embellished at because the favor 35 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: is not nearly as evil as I am. Arch Tank 36 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,679 Speaker 1: for Arch. Say it with me, Pittsburgh Tank for Arch. 37 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: That should be the chant of the draft, because Arch 38 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: is staying in Tank for Arch, Tank for Arch, Tank 39 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: for Arch. We get Brett Michaels to write a song. 40 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:29,839 Speaker 1: What could I can I work that into a poison song. 41 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 2: No I No. 42 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: I can't. I was just going through. Every rose has 43 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 1: its storn talk dirty to me. Ain't nothing but a 44 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:41,679 Speaker 1: good time, And it would be nothing but a good 45 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: time to tank for Arch. 46 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 2: No, the Giants job's better. It's a better job, but 47 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 2: you know what's. 48 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: Gonna happen because of the long term job security that 49 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: you presumably have, and maybe not because Noel, Coward and 50 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: Tom went all stuck around for but they won right away. 51 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 2: Winning right away gets you a job security. 52 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean Noel took over the worst team 53 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: in football history and had them in the playoffs in 54 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: three years and in a Super Bowl a couple years 55 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: after that. That seemed impossible, but he could draft and 56 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: develop and they had you know, Art Junior, and Dan 57 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: was a big foot. 58 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 2: I mean, Dan's the. 59 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: Secret sauce for the Steeler success dating from the late 60 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: sixties till he got feeble and then passed. Dan Rooney 61 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: is absolutely the secret sauce for the Steelers success. But 62 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: the new coach isn't gonna win right away and so 63 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: might not have the same job security. Although I bet 64 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: Art the second in the interest of doing it like 65 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: Dad and Granddad will probably grant him. How long does 66 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: does a coach get with most teams in the NFL, 67 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: like what three, four years? 68 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 2: Maybe five? 69 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: This guy's gonna get like six seven at the very least, 70 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: and he would have to suck out loud and the 71 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: team would have to not only lose, but make very 72 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: little progress to get fired after six or seven. 73 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 2: And by the way, if you missed what. 74 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: Art said today, he talked that they don't want to 75 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: waste the season, that Tomlin had them in contention every year, 76 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: and that's what they want. Blah blah blah. And to 77 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: quote Stix, he's fooling himself. They should play that in 78 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: the fourth quart instead of renegade. But we'll see. And 79 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 1: it leads me to believe that in trying to scratch 80 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: and claw and maybe keeping veterans and bringing you more 81 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 1: veterans with what they have thirty million in cap space, 82 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: that they could scratch their way to eight and nine, 83 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: seven and ten, maybe even the mythical nine and eights 84 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: and not move forward at all. That's the thing with 85 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: the Steelers the last decade. They haven't moved forward even 86 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 1: a little bit, not move forward even a little bit. 87 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: But that's another We talked about the Tomlin myth this segment. 88 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: That's another thing that's exemplar of the Tomlin myth. The 89 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 1: last decade's been an absolute waste of effing time and 90 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,919 Speaker 1: very few people see it that way. Okay, so we 91 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 1: got calls on the fifteens. Up next, we want your calls. Actually, 92 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: we'll say today and yesterday's been a lot of fun. 93 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: Yesterday's show was all Ad lives. I'm a bit more 94 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 1: prepared today. Watch this hour. They'll hire Tom went back. 95 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: He changed his mind. 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Oh? 104 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 2: Yes? 105 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: The X at one oh five nine. 106 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 2: This is really interesting. 107 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 1: The quarterback at Oregon on Dante Moore, who was thought 108 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 1: to be a first round pick this year, He's going 109 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: to stay in college for the twenty twenty six season, 110 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 1: as his arch manning nil has changed the draft I 111 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: mean just markedly so with stuff like this, when you 112 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 1: can make that much money in college and you can 113 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: kind of wait out when you get drafted and still 114 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: have a NEXS egg being built and maybe get to 115 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: where you want to go instead of Pittsburgh eight three 116 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: three four one two wxdx number to call. Here's something 117 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: that well, may you know what wants to laugh. Josina 118 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: Anderson says that Mike tom would quit because Pittsburgh didn't 119 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: appreciate him enough. Unquote, Well, if Pittsburgh didn't appreciate Tom 120 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 1: with enough, it's because he won three playoff games in 121 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: fifteen years. Josina Anderson is usually full of craps. She 122 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: makes stuff up lies to further her agenda. I do 123 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: think Tom would probably get upset by the fire tomlin 124 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: Chance and his family did. 125 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 2: Dad, how can they do that when you did so. 126 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: Much for this city, to which I'd say, yeah, but 127 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: I only won three playoff games in fifteen years. But 128 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: I can see Tom On being upset by that because 129 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: he's a big baby. But every coach of every losing 130 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: team gets booed. Now you can make the argument that 131 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: Tom Win wasn't a losing coach, that he never had 132 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: a losing season. Tomin did have a losing season. It's 133 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: called the postseason winning percentage of four hundred in the postseason. 134 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 2: That sucks. Let's go to Jim. 135 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 5: Jim. 136 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 2: You're on with Mark. 137 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: Jim. 138 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 2: You're on, mister mad Yeah, talk hey, Mark. 139 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: Bye, goodbye, goodbye. If you're not ready to talk, f off, 140 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: be ready. If you don't say something, go here at 141 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: the minute I say you're on your outs. Let's go 142 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: to Colin. Colin, you're all with double m Mark. 143 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 6: Why are we discounting Bill Howard so quickly without ever 144 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 6: seeing him play? 145 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 2: Yup, he'll be great. I'd start him. 146 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: Turn your rate again, another ass almost out. 147 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 2: Of the other word, goodbye. Yeah. Will Howard sucks. 148 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: He's what a fifth round pick? Brady's the exception at 149 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: sixth round that proves the rule. But I'd start him 150 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: like the FABO said that Will Howard gambit. I'd start 151 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: him go four and thirteen and tank four Arch Tank 152 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: four Arch Tank four Arch. Let's go to Greg and Denver. Greg, 153 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:44,839 Speaker 1: you're on with. 154 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 4: Mark, Hey, Mark two parter here for you one? How 155 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 4: much job security does O Mark Kahn actually have? 156 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: And then too, I think Omar has a ton of 157 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: job security because he waited his turn and he's a 158 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: steal or whatever. 159 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 2: I mean, I'd fire him. 160 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: I would have fired him the minute Tom Win resigned 161 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: because I would want to restore more power over the 162 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: roster to the GM. But you can't do that with 163 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: Omar Kahn. And then again, what if you bring in 164 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: Chris Shula. Is he gonna have power over the roster 165 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: a rookie head coach? But then Khan has power over 166 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 1: the roster. The guy who should that's still in the 167 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: building is Andy Widel, gotcha? 168 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 4: Then second part, what about I mean Bill O'Brien, Doug Peterson. 169 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 4: I mean, I like O'Brien more. 170 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: But they're they're not they're they're not going to recycle 171 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: and they're too old. 172 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,719 Speaker 2: Just not what they're looking for. 173 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: I'm a big Bill O'Brien fan for what he did 174 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: at Penn State, how he saved the program after the 175 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: Sandusky thing then handed it off to Franklin. If Bill 176 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: O'Brien should get a statue built anywhere, it should be 177 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: at Crebey Valley. In fact, they should put his statue 178 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: where the Paterno One used to be, and they should 179 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 1: restore the Paterno statue. By the way, they absolutely should 180 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: They probably never should have fired him, And that's a 181 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: total one to eighty from what I said at the time. 182 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 1: But they probably never should have fired him. But I'll 183 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: get back to that someday. Let's go to Franco Franko. 184 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: You're on with double M. 185 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,199 Speaker 5: Yeah, just you know, hear you be a real critical 186 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 5: of coach comin for under at least as I understand, 187 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 5: But you know, the teams get to that playoff and 188 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 5: don't perform as well. Yeah, I don't hear you saying 189 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:21,839 Speaker 5: much about that. What do you mean they kind of 190 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 5: let let us down and let him down as well too. 191 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the Well I said earlier in the show 192 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: that the players have no right to criticize Tom whin 193 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: leaving if he was pushed, which I don't think he 194 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: was based on what Art said today, But I don't 195 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: know if I believe Art either. But yeah, I said 196 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: earlier in the show that the players let him down. 197 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: But it's been fifteen years and they've won three playoff 198 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: games and none in the last nine years. 199 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 2: All those players weren't there all that time. 200 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: He is the common denominator and furthermore, had absolute autonomy. 201 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 2: He's the architect of that failure. You do understand that. 202 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, I hear you, but they played so dismal. 203 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 5: It's like I don't no, I. 204 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 1: Heard you the first time. But he is the architect 205 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: of that failure. All these teams that played dismal, not 206 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: least the one that got routed Monday night, the fifth 207 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 1: straight playoff lost for the Steelers, where they lost by 208 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: double digits. Tom Win assembled that team, He motivated that team, 209 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: he prepared that team. That was his team. He's the architect. 210 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: Let's go to the beach boy, beach boy, you're on? 211 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 6: What up? 212 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 2: Real quick? 213 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 4: Oh? Sorry? Mark? 214 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 6: Do you think that leading to the Texans only reinforced 215 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 6: Mike Tomlin's mindset that playing defense can win in this league? 216 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 6: And then he went in that meeting with Art the 217 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 6: second just with a reinforced belief that you have to 218 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 6: win with defense. 219 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 2: I think Art believes that too. 220 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: No I I had a theory yesterday that that Tom 221 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: Win and Art argued in the meeting, and that's what 222 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,839 Speaker 1: made tom Win quit. Like whether he would make him 223 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: fire you know, his lackey, Tarrell Austin or whatever. 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The exit one five nine. 261 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,719 Speaker 1: I like hockey better than football, So we're gonna put 262 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: all this tom and crap on the backburner and welcome 263 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: aboard of guy who's done it all in the great game. 264 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: Always a pleasure to talk to our good friend Pierre 265 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,959 Speaker 1: maguire here. The Penguins have lost three in a row, 266 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: and they've been odd games very close, but they've only 267 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 1: scored two goals total in those games. 268 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,439 Speaker 2: Why have they stopped scoring? What do you see. 269 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 4: Some pretty good goaltending from the opposition an urgency, especially 270 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 4: from the Boston Bruins. On Sunday have Bruins team that 271 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 4: is probably overchieving a little bit like Pittsburgh cast from 272 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 4: through most of this year, and then last week, I 273 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 4: think you'd have to say, in that really tight game 274 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:16,319 Speaker 4: that went through a shootout against Stampa, Vassileski was phenomenal. 275 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 4: He made some unbelievable says at key times in the 276 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 4: game for Tampa. So I think it's a combination of 277 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 4: you know, it's a tired time of the year for 278 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 4: everybody because of the schedule. Tampa is the hottest team 279 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 4: in the league. Everybody knows that. Part of why they're 280 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 4: the hottest team is Vassilevski's been so good for them, 281 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 4: and Pittsburgh's trying. I got to give them credit for that. 282 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 4: They are really compete and hard. They just don't have 283 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 4: a lot of peer finishing right now. 284 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: Carlson's on for at least a couple of weeks. How 285 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: much will that hurt the Penguins and in what ways. 286 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 4: It's going to hurt him? On the power play, even 287 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 4: though I think Christopher Latang do well, there were some 288 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 4: really good puck movement on that power play last night 289 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 4: once they established zone presence, so I think that's positive. 290 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 4: Getting Malcolm back will help the power play, But Carlson's 291 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 4: a little bit of an problem for them not having him, 292 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 4: so you'll hurt there. It'll break up a real good 293 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 4: partnership that he had with Parker water scheme. It's unfortunately 294 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 4: those two guys are really routing in the shape, so 295 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 4: it takes a little bit of a nick out of 296 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 4: their defense. And then I think the biggest thing is 297 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 4: just a transition game. Eric's really good at the transition game, 298 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 4: and I think that hurts a little bit for the 299 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 4: Penguins when it comes to creating offense. 300 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 2: Know, as I mentioned, they lost in a shootout last night. 301 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: Shilovs is now one in five in shootouts and has 302 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: conceded eleven goals on sixteen shootout attempts this year, two 303 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: goals on three shots last night. 304 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 2: Why does he struggle so mightily at shootouts? 305 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 6: Pier, It's almost like he's sprosen in time. 306 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 4: I was watching really close because you brought that up 307 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 4: to me a couple of weeks ago, and I said, 308 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 4: you know what, I'm gonna start watching more tape on 309 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 4: him when he comes to the shootouts. So I watched 310 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 4: last night shoot up and it's almost like he's frozen. 311 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 4: He doesn't track the puck very well, he doesn't have 312 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 4: a great lateral movement when it comes to the shootouts. 313 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 4: And one of the goals he can watch as a 314 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 4: couchurov game winner last night watching Koch drops and he 315 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 4: doesn't even shoot the pop card. He knows he's got him, 316 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 4: he knows he's frozen, and he just el elevates the 317 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 4: pucket to the open part of the net. So you know, 318 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 4: to me, it's it's probably a little bit of lack 319 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 4: of confidence, and it's also probably a little bit of 320 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 4: lack of technique. 321 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: We've talked about this before, but would you sub shilloffs 322 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: on for shootouts because it ain't got no better? 323 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 2: What no better? Last night? 324 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: Because his performance in shootouts, Pierre those points lost that 325 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: could keep Pittsburgh out of the playoffs. 326 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 4: There's no question it's more than fair to bring that up. 327 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 4: Those extra points really do matter a lot, especially when 328 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 4: you're a team like Pittsburgh that's I think overachieving right now, 329 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 4: but they're realistically still a playoff candidate. But you keep 330 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 4: losing these extra points and Let's say you lose nine 331 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 4: of them or ten of them. That's basically the margin 332 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 4: between making the playoffs and not making the plass. Most 333 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 4: people think between ninety two and ninety four points will 334 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 4: get you into the playoffs this year. So if you 335 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 4: end up this season at eighty two or eighty three points, 336 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 4: those are the points that kept you out because of 337 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 4: those extra points in the shootout. 338 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 2: Would you sub him out you're the coach, Yes or no. 339 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 4: It's a hard thing to do. I thought about it 340 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 4: a lot. In a lot of different situations, I probably 341 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 4: would not, but it's one of those things that is 342 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 4: definitely tantalizing. There's no question it's tantalizing, especially when you 343 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 4: look at his record. 344 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 1: You know what's funny, Pierre is I was talking about 345 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,880 Speaker 1: this last night with Josh Joey of the Athletic. Some 346 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: teams don't have to care about the shootout, like Colorado. 347 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 1: They know they're getting a ton of wins, a ton 348 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: of points. The shootouts don't matter to them. They don't 349 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 1: need those extra points. I mean they get them anyway, 350 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 1: but they don't need them, whereas some teams. I remember 351 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,880 Speaker 1: our mutual friend who we missed very much, the late 352 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: Ray Shiro, he would always have like a Christensen or 353 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 1: a Yoking on the roster because they were great at shootouts. 354 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,199 Speaker 1: I mean they were good players otherwise too, but that 355 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 1: was a big part of their employment. And of course 356 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 1: those Penguas had I think the best shootout goalie ever 357 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: and Mark Andre Farr. 358 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 4: That's such a good point, just so everybody knows, I 359 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 4: want to be transparent. Ray and I talked about the 360 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 4: philosophy of shootouts from the time he got the manager's 361 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 4: job in Pittsburgh to the time that he left and 362 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 4: eventually moved down to New Jersey. So we created protocols, 363 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 4: not so much because I was behind the scenes celting him. 364 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 4: He just wanted to talk about it and try to 365 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 4: define it. So you're absolutely right about that, and you're 366 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 4: spot hunted and talked about Mark Andre Fleury to me. 367 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 4: I'll give you an example, just a back march point 368 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 4: up where everybody, I watched the Toronto Colorado game the 369 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 4: other night. Toronto goes in there and wins, and they 370 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 4: win the game because one, Austin Matthews goes to another level. 371 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 4: Two they got great goal tendant from Joe le and 372 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 4: three you could see that Colorado did not care. Once 373 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 4: they got to overtime. They were airing it out, so 374 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,360 Speaker 4: you needed to get some saves. And if they went 375 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 4: to the shootout and they lost, it didn't care. But 376 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 4: they were airing it out and overtime, and they gave 377 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 4: up chance after chance and overtime because they were reckless. 378 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 4: But eventually they lost. I'm a really kneelander goal. So 379 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 4: the point is, and the moral of the story is 380 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 4: teams like Colorado that are really up to the standings 381 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 4: right now, they're not worried about that extra point. So 382 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 4: they're going to really go after you, whether it's in 383 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 4: regulation or in overtime, to try to grape you. And 384 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 4: if they don't, then they get through the shootout and 385 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 4: they don't care. 386 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 2: We're talking to Peter Maguire. 387 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 1: Pierre brought to us by always Say flagging in traffic control. Pierre, 388 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: here's an odd question, based on mostly last night, but 389 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 1: a couple prior games. Is Sidney Crosby passing too much? Rather, 390 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: you know, passing up some good chances. 391 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,640 Speaker 4: He's passing up chances. There's no question. But I want 392 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:37,959 Speaker 4: to say this, and I did not know you were 393 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 4: going to ask that question. The stretch pass that he 394 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 4: makes on the backhand in overtime. 395 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:44,400 Speaker 2: Oh Bran, It's one of the best passes ever. 396 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: And I wish it would have resulted in the goal 397 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 1: so everybody would talk about it and see it exactly. 398 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 4: I Mark, I was blown away by that. You know, 399 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 4: you grow up watching all these great players like I 400 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 4: had the privilege of, and then you end up coaching 401 00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 4: so many of the great players over the last thirty years, 402 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 4: which I had the unbelievable honor to do, and then 403 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 4: you watch that and you're like, that's otherworldly. I don't 404 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 4: think people realize just how much skill, talent, and strength 405 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 4: and vision that requires to make a play like that. 406 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 4: And I wish the play would have been it up 407 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 4: as a goal, but it didn't. But Sid is definitely 408 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 4: passing up chances, there's no question about that. I'd like 409 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 4: to see him shot more. 410 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 1: Have Guinny Malcas scored a great goal last night to 411 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: tie the game. Beat Vassilevsky low to the far side, 412 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:29,679 Speaker 1: and beating him low with his pad work is no 413 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 1: easy task. I Gety came back from injury with some jump, didn't. 414 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 4: He he did? I like to play on the wall too. 415 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 4: By the Tang forcing Genseil into the turnover the leads 416 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 4: to the Malcolm chance. So I agree with you on 417 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 4: that too. That's a great shot against a unique goalie, 418 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 4: and you could see Gino's amped up. He definitely has 419 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 4: them jump in his game if he stays healthy, if 420 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 4: Sid stays healthy, if Russ stays healthy, and they can 421 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:55,880 Speaker 4: still get the same kind of effort out of Door 422 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 4: and his ott and charity night in and night out. 423 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 4: I think this team has a legitimate has to be 424 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 4: a playoff team. 425 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: I really did over the weekend when Rust was out. 426 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: It was like Dan Mues threw all the sticks in 427 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: the pilot center ice like you do for pickup, and 428 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 1: that's how he put the lines together. I think News 429 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: has mostly gotten it right. I didn't understand scrambling three 430 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 1: of the four lines with one player out. 431 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 5: You watch the. 432 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 4: Game like you do a ride and you say, okay, 433 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 4: I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt. But 434 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:27,919 Speaker 4: I didn't. I was confused by it as well, especially 435 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 4: when you look at the results. You know, two to 436 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 4: one lost to Calgary, a team that was really scuffling, 437 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 4: and then you look at obviously and one nothing lost 438 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 4: in Boston, so you say, Okay, you know they scored 439 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 4: one goal in you know, one hundred and twenty minutes. 440 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 4: They got to be better than that. And then they 441 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 4: going to last night and the amazingly tight game. The 442 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 4: fact that they need going to shootout is tough. But yeah, no, 443 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 4: I didn't understand that over the weekend. 444 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 8: I did not. 445 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: I got to credit a dark horse on defense for 446 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: the Penguins, and it's Jack Saint Ivany, who was hurt 447 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:58,360 Speaker 1: a lot then got in the lineup. 448 00:21:58,840 --> 00:21:58,959 Speaker 5: Uh. 449 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: I mean, he ain't no car Carlson, but he's done 450 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 1: well and maybe he can step up a little bit. 451 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 1: Maybe not the same way I mean obviously Pierre, but 452 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: but it's a few more quality minutes when called upon. 453 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 4: First time I saw Jackson and Ivant he played, he 454 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 4: was at the university. The second time I saw him play, 455 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 4: he went in the portal and he played at Boston College. 456 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 4: He was like, this kid's gonna play in the NHL 457 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 4: at some point. He's too big, he's too physically, he's 458 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 4: too fast. I know we talked about him last week 459 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 4: or the week before when he was playing with Ryan Shay. 460 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 4: He's a great tandem. I obviously he gets to play 461 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,239 Speaker 4: with Watherspoon now because of the injury to Carlson. But 462 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 4: now Jackson and Ivan was a fantastic athlete. He was 463 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 4: a tremendous college player. He's been a great minor league player, 464 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 4: and now he's evolving into a real solid NFL player. 465 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,360 Speaker 4: That's a good piece of scouting by the Pittsburgh Pain 466 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 4: was to bring a kid like that into the organization. 467 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: You know, when he won me over Pierre last year, 468 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: somebody took a cheap shot at sid he came off 469 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: the bench and went after the guy. He should have 470 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 1: been suspended. What do they get twenty games? But it 471 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,239 Speaker 1: was like time to want a line change. But he 472 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: really won me over. I would have kept them in 473 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: the lineup forever. And I'm glad he's playing now. 474 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 4: Well that's good. You know again, kids like this, they're 475 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 4: so athletic, and they care so much, and they're so passionate, 476 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 4: and they know how hard it is to get to 477 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,719 Speaker 4: the National Hockey League. And once they get there, they 478 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 4: see guys like Crosby, and they see guys like Malcolm, 479 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 4: and they see guys like Carlson on Tanna like, I 480 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 4: can't believe I'm playing with this guy. These guys and 481 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 4: then they'll do whatever it takes to try to stay there. 482 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 4: And that's one of the things that Jack obviously realized 483 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 4: he had to do. 484 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: Pierre, if you knew this, there actually was a Saint Ivany. 485 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: He is the patron state of third pair defenseman. 486 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 2: Uh, we got, we. 487 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: Got, We got Philadelphia in town tomorrow night. Uh, they 488 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,239 Speaker 1: got the same points as the Penguins. Exactly where are 489 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: the Flyers at? They play tonight as well, and we're 490 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: both big fans of their first year coach Rick Hackett. 491 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, they're playing in buff Florid Tonite. That's a big 492 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 4: game for both teams. Philadelphia just kind of lost a 493 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 4: bit of their identity. If they're not getting a lot 494 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 4: of offense from connect Me, if they're not getting a 495 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 4: lot of offense out of Vegas, they're having a tough time. 496 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 4: Christian Devorak is definitely not a number one center. They've 497 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 4: got a lot of guys that are really good two 498 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 4: three and fours they don't and probably more three and 499 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 4: fours than twos. So the upper part of their lineup 500 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,360 Speaker 4: is certain just because they don't have that elite centerment 501 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 4: right now, they're definitely waiting on Matt Day, niche Cooff, 502 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 4: who they thought was going to be a home run 503 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 4: head or that has not developed yet. They're still a 504 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 4: little shortened goal, but they're trying to get better obviously. 505 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 4: I think Rick's coach fantastically well. I know there are 506 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 4: a lot of pumpings out there, especially online, that are 507 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 4: going after him because niche Coff is underachievement. I don't 508 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 4: agree with those people. 509 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, Ryan Whitney, Ryan Whitney sticking up for Meetzkoff, who's 510 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 1: a handful to deal with. 511 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,479 Speaker 2: I guess wit would he was a handful to deal with. 512 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 4: Two. Yeah, I didn't know Ryan got after him. So 513 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 4: I appreciate you telling me. But all I can say like, 514 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 4: Rick Pocket's a really good coach, and for those people 515 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 4: that are taking shots at him, why not call Phil 516 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 4: Kessel and find out how well Rick Pocket worked with 517 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 4: Phil Kessel on one of the big difference that was 518 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 4: when the Pittsburgh Penguins were winning Stanley Cups. Rick Tockett 519 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 4: knows how to coach skill players, and I can tell 520 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 4: you right now, I coach Trick Tacket, and Rick Tockett 521 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 4: knows how to play with skill players, and he never 522 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 4: wants look down on skill players. He wants guys to 523 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 4: compete in off three his own though, and that's a 524 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 4: big part of being a successful organization. 525 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: Now, like they are waiting for Meatchkoff to come good. 526 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: But let's get back to Ziegris Pierre, because that's his 527 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: first year in Philly and he's become a legit star. 528 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: I thought he was like kind of a show biz 529 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 1: guy with the Michigan ont in Anaheim, but he's become 530 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: relatively complete, relatively quick in Philadelphia. 531 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 4: Because Rick tockets push the ray buttons with him. Then 532 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 4: I think if you would ask Trevor Zegers, he would 533 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 4: probably tell you that as well. I'm watching that happen 534 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 4: and I'm saying, this is reminding me of what Rick 535 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 4: do with Phil Kessel in Pittsburgh. So now the truth 536 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 4: of the matter is Trevor's a really talented kid. I 537 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,400 Speaker 4: watched him when he was at eleven, twelve and thirteen 538 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 4: playing for mid Fairfield. That's the same throw damn that 539 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 4: gave each of them quick. It's the same program that 540 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 4: gave me cam Atkinson, the same program they gave me 541 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,880 Speaker 4: Max patri Ready and Jiegers and Spencer Night. Your teammates 542 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 4: there the Chachekago Blackbows School Center. So I go a 543 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 4: long way back to watching them play. You know, Trevor 544 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 4: obviously has a lot of talent. I give him a 545 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 4: lot of credit for really trying to change the perception 546 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 4: that he had amongst a lot of people in the 547 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 4: National Hockey League. He's being in Malcanton and tough to 548 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 4: coach because I think Rick Hockett would not tell you that. 549 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 4: I think Rick Hacket's enjoyed working with him. 550 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: Pierre, the Olympics aren't too far off the ice surface 551 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 1: in Milan, permitting, and I'm here and I bet you 552 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:37,120 Speaker 1: are too. 553 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 2: Then forget about the trade da inline. 554 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: There's likely to be x amount of deals made before 555 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 1: the Olympics because teams that want to trade assets don't 556 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,719 Speaker 1: want to risk them being hurt at the Olympics. I'm 557 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: talking about if they make a hockey slop. That said, Uh, 558 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: every team except maybe two or three's in the playoff race. 559 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 2: So I'm not sure what I expect. How about you? 560 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 4: But you know I like the way reason through that. 561 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 4: That's good. I expect there'll be some deals sooner rather 562 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 4: than later. Tonight's a big night. Ottawa plays at the Rangers. 563 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 4: Both those teams are scuffling. If one of who never 564 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 4: loses is somebody who's gonna win, somebody's gonna lose. I 565 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 4: would expect both those teams to be proactive because they're 566 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 4: nowhere near where they thought they'd be. If Seattle goes 567 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 4: into Jersey and beat Jersey, all bets are off. Jusey 568 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 4: the disaster zone right now. And if you don't believe me, 569 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 4: watched the press conference that Tommy Fitzgerald had this afternoon. 570 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 4: It's really tough, but natives are wrestless in New Jersey. 571 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 4: Philadelphia and Buffalo play tonight, and I would say both 572 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 4: those teams think they're a legitimate playoff contender who never loses, 573 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 4: but might be proactive in terms of trade. And Vegas 574 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 4: plays at LA. Again. We all have four games in 575 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 4: the league tonight, but if I'll were to lose this game, 576 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 4: I think there's gonna be Kenny Holland will have to 577 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,919 Speaker 4: do something because they do not want ense Colpatar to 578 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 4: miss the playoffs in his last year in the NHL. 579 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 4: So tonight's a big night in the league. Mark and 580 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 4: I think you're gonna see general managers getting more proactive 581 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 4: than ever especially if you know some the right teams 582 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 4: are the wrong teams, depending on how you look at it. 583 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:08,919 Speaker 2: Moves tonight, Pierre. 584 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: Before we wrap up, one guy I talked about earlier 585 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: in the week just got his number top retired in Detroit, 586 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,879 Speaker 1: Sergei Federof and I marveled at how good he was, 587 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: And honestly, I don't think we appreciate him enough. I 588 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: think he's probably further up the list of best of 589 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: all time than a lot of people would think. 590 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 4: Absolutely. The biggest thing about him is he could play 591 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 4: it any way you want. He want to play a 592 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 4: skill game, he could do that. You want to play 593 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 4: a fast game, he could do that. You want to 594 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 4: play a defensive, shutdown game, he could do that. Scotty 595 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 4: Bowman played him on defense in NHL games, and Scotty 596 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 4: thought he could be a forty to forty five minute 597 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 4: a game player. He really did. He was great on 598 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 4: the penalty, was great on the power play. He was 599 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 4: a faceoff specialist as well at eight in games. He 600 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 4: was a spectacular talent. 601 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: Spectacular talent, Pierre is always great stuff. Enjoy the hockey, 602 00:28:58,240 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: Like you said, a lot of big games tonight. So 603 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: let's get to our TVs and we'll talk to you 604 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: next week. 605 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 4: Thank you, my friend. 606 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 2: Take care. That's the great pair MacGuire. 607 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: He's brought to us by Always Say Flagging and traffic Control. 608 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:11,479 Speaker 2: Just around the corner. 609 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: Some interesting things said about Tom Win leaving Bill Carro. 610 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 2: It's a pretty good SoundBite. We'll get to that at 611 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 2: some point. 612 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 1: And we got that funny SoundBite from the Ravens owner 613 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: who found out while talking to the medium that Tom 614 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: Win had stepped down. 615 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 2: I'm Mark Mad one oh five nine The X. 616 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 7: It's the Woody Show weekday mornings at six oh I 617 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 7: like it. 618 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 4: On one oh five nine The X. 619 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 2: Lead yourself to a World Coss experience.