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Speaker 1: really important topics, representing and proudly doing so the eighth

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Speaker 1: Congressional District from the state of Ohio. Congressman Warren Davidson.

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Speaker 1: It is always a pleasure having you on the fifty

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Speaker 1: five Carsee Morning Show, and welcome back, sir.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Brian. It's great to talk with you, and.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna have to do a little bit of splaining

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Speaker 1: to me. I have have admitted many times over the

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Speaker 1: years the idea of cryptocurrencies like the peace of God.

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Speaker 1: It passes all human understanding, at least for Brian Thomas,

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Speaker 1: all types of different you know, cryptocurrencies out in the world.

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Speaker 1: You've introduced a bill called the Bitcoin for America Act,

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Speaker 1: and so I offer you an opportunity to explain why

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Speaker 1: this is important. Then maybe you can address some of

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Speaker 1: the question marks I have swirling around my ignorance over

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Speaker 1: cryptocurrency generally.

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Speaker 2: How's that? Yeah? I mean, bitcoin is the one thing

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Speaker 2: maybe a little more than half of the market share

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Speaker 2: of everything known as crypto. And you know it, when

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Speaker 2: physically hand the cash to somebody. We been able to

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Speaker 2: a long time. That's what credit cards let you do.

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Speaker 2: You can put put your credit card in, you can

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Speaker 2: there's no corporate headquarter for bitcoin. There's no intermediary that

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Speaker 2: not buying something from somebody who's different than they say

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Speaker 2: they are, make sure you have credit. They do all

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Speaker 2: that in an instant so the work they do is amazing,

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Speaker 2: but they charge for it. Bitcoin lets you do that

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Speaker 2: but it's essentially like a fidelity targeted initially at just

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Speaker 2: And the government was like every agency seizing little pockets

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Speaker 1: Well, I always mean crypto is kind of weird because

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Speaker 2: insurance companies so they don't raise everybody's premiums. Well, that

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Speaker 2: was a bad idea in the first place. No Republicans

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Speaker 2: protection from who. The insurance companies like, well, you know,

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Speaker 2: So it's been like, oh no, no, we fixed it.

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Speaker 2: We sent the subsidies. And that's exactly what will happen

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Speaker 2: let's do most favored nation. Like, hey, you still own

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Speaker 2: That's the way gas prices work, right. It's not like

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Speaker 1: Well, okay, Currently there is a Democratic proposal to extend

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Speaker 1: Of the Trump suggestion about letting the dollars go to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what they're working on. So there will be

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Speaker 1: Well, we can wait to see what happens, and I

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Speaker 1: It's going to ruin the concept, will undermine the Democrats,

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Speaker 1: you know, dream of medicaid for all, which is of

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Speaker 1: course the Obamacare is the vehicle to bring that reality about.

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Speaker 1: So it ain't going to be smooth sailing regardless, I

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Speaker 1: believe Congressman Warren Davidson. But we'll all be waiting with

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Speaker 1: and bringing about some more sense to them that problem

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Speaker 1: we have with healthcare coverage. These days, Congressman Warren Davidson.

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Speaker 1: I thank you so much for joining the program and

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Speaker 1: appreciate your willingness to come on talk about these issues.

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Speaker 1: I'll look forward to another conversation. Have a wonderful, wonderful

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Speaker 2: Yeah you as well. Brand always an honor. God bless

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Speaker 2: you and all your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, sir. Seven twenty eight. Right now we're hearing

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Speaker 1: from Senator John