WEBVTT - 4-7-26 Sloan with Jeff Cramerding 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:02.360 You want to be an American idiot. 0:00:03.320 --> 0:00:04.960 Flow me back on seven hunderd w O. 0:00:05.080 --> 0:00:08.080 I'm so following a surge in dangerous street takeovers, and 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:11.520 I'd say they're pretty dangerous mainly for the people participating, 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:14.000 but nonetheless can't have that Cincinnati moving to an act 0:00:14.040 --> 0:00:17.120 strict or local stricter local penalties. We're talking like one 0:00:17.160 --> 0:00:19.759 to two thousand dollars and five six months vehicle impoundment. 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:22.280 And this is on the heels of Ohio House Bill 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:26.599 fifty six that has codified stunt driving as illegal racing 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:29.320 and makes it a felony to flee police. So on, 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:31.680 this will be voting on this soon as a council member. 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:34.279 Jeff Kramerton on the Scott Flonan Show, Jeff, welcome back, 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:35.000 Hey Ben. 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:36.160 Good to be here. 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:37.520 Yeah. 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:39.720 So before I get into the street racing thing, which 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:43.080 is the big sexy topic, the less sexy topic, of course, 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:46.240 the Cincinnati's income tax. Like after ha puer Vaal mayor 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:48.880 pure Val kind of punted on the timeline he wanted 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:50.920 to propose in the first two monster in a state 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:52.760 of the city and on maybe three months with nothing 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:55.440 and now he's saying this may not happen at all 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:57.800 this year, and this would be the earnings tack we're 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:01.920 taught tax we're talking about in this the Cincinnati and 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:05.880 I think you said back in maybe earlier this month 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:10.360 that there's a plan to unveil maybe a proposal the 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:12.280 mayor saying it's not going to happen. Are you guys 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:13.959 on the same page, because you're the chair of budget 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:15.880 and finance? So what a spring is? 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:18.920 Spring? Is this spring? Next spring? Three springs from now? 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:20.080 What are we talking about? 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:23.440 Yeah? I am, I am. You know, no, I'd like 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:26.440 to talk about tax increases, but there is in need. 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:29.480 I think there's growing consensus that there is in need. 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:33.800 There's never a good time to raise taxes or even 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:36.840 talk about it, but the problem is getting worse and worse. 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:41.600 So I have always been a strong advocate for going going, 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:44.600 taking this to the voters, letting them decide. You know, 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:47.960 we we talked about doing this in twenty twenty, which 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:50.560 was a presidential year, and there's the thought that all 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:53.680 of the message will get drowned down the presidential year 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:58.480 and the year after that, we were running councils, running 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:01.640 the mayor's running, and we don't be talking about taxes 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:05.600 who we're running and now this year there's concerns about 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:07.760 the economy. So there's just never there's never a good time. 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:10.119 The budget gets worse and worse, the streams get worse 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:13.640 on basic city services. So I still hope that we 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:15.440 can take this to the voters, make the case, let 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:16.720 them decide. 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:19.240 Well, the net profit tax and for businesses down something 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:22.520 and they like, like by a third, the finance director 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:25.880 said so in December. And if the economic foundation is 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:28.840 that shaky, why is income tax the right move rather 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:29.680 than deeper cuts? 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:32.080 Or is this is this what a death spire looks like? 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:37.600 Jeff, I mean, we've we've again this, This conversation is 0:02:37.680 --> 0:02:41.200 continued now for twenty years. In the Sea Cincinnati. Alternative 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:44.560 is when the economy is booming, our earning stack is 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:47.000 very high, and people say, you know, we don't we 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:49.520 don't need it this year. So when and when is 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:52.480 the right time the economy is shaky, our earning stack 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:55.440 is down, that's putting you know, more stream on basic 0:02:55.520 --> 0:02:59.000 city services. So when you have this difficult conversation is 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:01.480 the question, Yeah. 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:03.240 No one wants to have that. Of course, earnings tax, 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:05.040 income tax, you know you're taking more out of my way, 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:08.639 and still Cincinnati is low compared to all the other 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:11.440 big size cities or medium sizes for that matter, in 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:13.880 the state of Ohio. So we're still since I think 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:16.000 I gets lost in the mix herees, we're still not 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:19.000 taxing at the rate of other cities like Columbus, Cleveland, 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:20.079 Toledo and others. 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:23.440 All of our pier cities in Ohio are two point 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:27.560 five percent. We're at one point eight percent. To put 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:29.560 that in real dollars, if the city was at two 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:32.480 point five percent, which no one's suggesting that, but if 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:35.760 we were, there'd be an extra two hundred million dollars 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:38.880 a year. So you understand that why there is a 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:41.560 strain on basic city services when we're that far below, 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:44.800 When our rate is that far below the cities, we 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:48.000 could have a very modest increase still be far below 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:50.880 any other highest cities and be able to provide more 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:53.120 basic city services, which we know people want. 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:56.520 Futures Commission, I believe the reports at point one five percent, 0:03:56.720 --> 0:03:59.040 which is like, as you said, a modest increase, would 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:00.680 that bridge the gap? 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:04.640 Yeah, I mean that's about the number we're talking about. 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:08.400 Is a point one five is it point two those 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:10.200 are numbers that have been discussed. If you're going to 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:12.080 raise taxes, you're going to be able to pay for 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:14.520 the things you promise you don't want to be race 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:18.640 taxes and not having fixed the problem. So that's where 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:20.839 the conversation has been around those in the amounts of 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:22.120 the discuss All. 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:24.839 Right, Jeff cramerding this ties into quality of life issues. 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:26.679 You know you did a residence survey, not too happy 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:30.640 about potholes and other issues. We see this street takeover 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:32.839 thing happened time to time. Of course, we saw what 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:35.000 happened on opening day. Not a street take over unless 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:38.279 you make it a human street takeover with gunshots being fired. 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:41.640 But back in on New Year's Eve, I think last 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:43.920 year you had traffic stop downtown with the banks for 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:47.480 street race. We had thirty nine people arrested, sixty five 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:51.320 cars and pounded at Woodward earlier last month. And so 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:53.560 people see that and it's just another reason to go, oh, 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:56.680 I'm not going to downtown Cincinnati or make creating business 0:04:56.680 --> 0:04:58.720 down there, or maybe I want to move out. Those 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:01.200 are real concerns for people, not saying it's happening in 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:02.320 big numbers, but it's. 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:03.240 A quality of life issue. 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:06.960 So the woodward thing that's already illegal under existing law, 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:09.760 what would this ordinance do that's being proposed incurring by 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:14.480 the way, in Ohio Bill fifty six, that isn't already allowed. 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:16.599 What what else do they make illegal about this? 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:19.919 Well, we're gonna be discussing a lot of options. I mean, 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:22.520 the one that I think is most interesting is in 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:25.279 pounding cars for up to six months, So you know, 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:27.320 you're taking the vehicle that was you know, part of 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:30.240 this crime, they're pounding it for six months. During the 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:34.640 last street takeover, fifty three cars were towed. You know, 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:37.159 we did get some towing t's, but you know, extending 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:40.320 that to six months be much more of a deterrent. Obviously, 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:42.160 cars are the focus of this to there's a lot 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:45.039 of conversation around that this morning in council. 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:47.760 Okay, so you keep the car for six months. What 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:49.600 if it's you know, my kid borrowed the car and 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:51.480 they're they're sitting there watching the street, right, so they 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:54.320 weren't participating, or maybe they took off because they got scared. 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:56.159 I got to get to work the next morning. 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:59.480 But then, yeah, I know, I mean, this is this 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:02.680 is a very serious crime. So I mean, you have 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:05.800 to be responsible for your vehicle. Somebody's taking your car 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:08.320 to you to to commit a crime of this magnitude, 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:11.240 I think you have to be held responsible. I mean, 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:14.359 this is you know, this is dangerous. We know what 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:16.640 these street takeovers. A lot of people are coming from 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:19.800 outside the city of Cincinnati, which raises a lot of issues. 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:21.440 And you know, I think people are frustrated. To me, 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:23.920 this is breaking the wall for the for the sake 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:25.920 of breaking the lall. I mean me, I don't think 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:29.560 going donuts is that fun. I think people are just 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:32.040 intentionally violating the wall just to get a high up 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:35.040 for that, and that's very frustrating. And says something about 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:35.400 the site. 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:36.479 Well hold on, it is all those stops. 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:38.680 I'm gonna interrupt you there at Jeff Grammonting, did you 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:40.880 just say doing donuts isn't fun. 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:43.920 For me a little bit while at sixteen, but I've 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:46.960 sorted out grown it. I would hope, hope most of them. 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:49.479 Yeah, Jeff, donuts are just all fun. I just it 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:53.799 just depends where you're doing the donuts. Fair enough, Okay, 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:56.480 donuts our hell a lot of fun. But yeah, you 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:58.520 should be setting intersections down to do it, No, of 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:02.680 course not. I know you're proposing the six month vehicle empowerment. 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:06.159 This is kind of based on Louisville and the last month. 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:09.760 The person who is proposing this down there in the 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:12.679 Commonwealth is Beverly Chester Burton. She was on my show 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:16.400 a little while ago and she's proposed us before. 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:17.360 This time around. 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:19.800 You're talking thirty days in jail for the first one 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:21.640 second one they take your car and they're gonna crush 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:24.320 it or maybe even resell it. Now that concerns me 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:27.840 when it comes to civil asset forfeiture because we've seen 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:30.440 this with money, people carrying cash and going almost be 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:32.040 drug money even though they can't prove it. 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:33.120 They keep the money anyway. 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:36.400 Same with the cars, police and well, in this case, 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:38.440 places like CPD that need the money. If they can 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:41.360 resell the car, that's incentive for them to seize your car, 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:45.120 and they drop that threshold because it's about money. I 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:47.560 got a problem with that as a libertarian, going I 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:49.440 don't know if the government should be taking your assets 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:51.320 or something like this, you know, maybe season it for 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:53.360 six months or holding on to it, say we're gonna 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:53.920 park it here. 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:55.640 I guess that makes. 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:58.120 Sense, but now you've incentivize them taking your stuff that 0:07:58.200 --> 0:07:58.840 I dis agree with. 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:01.720 This morning when we're I mean, we're gonna look at 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:04.520 what Louis has done. We're talking about the impowments. We 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:07.760 of course want to deter this, make sure this crime 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:10.440 does not happen, make sure these criminals do not come 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:16.160 to Cincinnati, SETI and balancing that with the constitutional requirements 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:17.600 to make sure that we can port with the law. 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:20.600 So it's gonna be a conversation. You know, I've talked 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:23.960 to my colleague. This is what's on the table. There 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:27.680 has been some discussion, you know, this is this really 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:31.640 gonna turre? Is this serious enough? Talking about our partners, 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:34.520 the judges of the county. So finding the right balance 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:39.680 to what will stop this but still not be over 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:41.320 the top and violate the constitution. 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:44.000 All right, So you seize the car for six months 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:45.599 to hold on to it. I think that sends a 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:48.360 pretty strong message myself, as it's not gonna be tolerated. 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:50.920 You get your property back in six months, and I 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:52.880 guess you're gonna have to hoof it wherever you're going. Now, 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:54.760 there's some as I mentioned, you know, if it's a 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:56.800 kid borrowing a parent's car. And is that for a 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:59.559 first defense Jeff Or this would be from right from 0:08:59.559 --> 0:08:59.880 the jump. 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:03.679 Yeah, I think, I mean, I mean right now, it's 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:07.400 a rosen motion. It's right from the jump. Of course, 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:11.520 of people can always provide mitigating circumstances as part of 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:16.559 the criminal process, but it's you know, you know, if 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:18.800 you're of course, if you go to court and you're 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:21.840 found not guilty, because you know your your your vehicle 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:25.400 could get released. Uh So there's got to be safety 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:28.040 mechanisms built in, and that'll be part of the conversation. 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:30.960 Are these people are actively engaged in doing the donuts 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:33.040 in the street takeover? What about people are sitting there, 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:35.000 maybe videoing it or just sitting on their car because 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:37.199 they're blocked at an intersection. Is this everybody who was 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:40.240 caught in that intersection, just the participants that are caught 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:40.679 on video. 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:46.360 This notion just applies to the participants. Spectating is already 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:49.480 h a crime according to Ohio state law. So if 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:53.480 you're spectating, you're watching these criminal acts there, you know 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:56.800 it is a misdemeanor. It's a minor crime, but that 0:09:56.920 --> 0:09:59.200 is a crime right now, Okay. 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:01.560 That way, it seems a little but wiggle room there' say, hey, look, 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:02.560 you know what I got blocked in? 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:03.199 What am I going to do? 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:05.079 I got my phone out, started recording. I guess I'm 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:07.920 a participant, but I didn't know this was happening. I 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:10.880 suppose there's some wiggle room there, But how often have 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:12.120 they caught the participants in. 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:18.640 These The Sincinnati Police Department did a excellent job with 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:22.120 the last street takeover where there was I think forty 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:24.600 arrests and fifty five vehicles impounded. So it was just 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:28.280 a tremendous job. I mean, I you know, with people 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:30.839 driving through the streets in this reckless manner, I mean 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:34.120 it's I can't imagine how difficult it is to you know, 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:38.079 block those cars and arrest them, get the drivers out 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:40.720 all a safe manner without a dangeroum office from the pullbox? 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:43.520 Who you get that many cars with a testament to 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:45.080 the Cincinnati Police. 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:48.120 Department, Yeah, you had thirty nine people arrested in sixty 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:50.520 five cars I believe impounded. And what happened at Woodward 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:54.360 the last month and I saw that went wow, that 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:56.719 that sends a really strong message. Also concerned with those 0:10:56.760 --> 0:10:58.400 who are out of town, how do you separate that 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:00.000 do you know? I mean, technically, what's out of ten 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:03.080 on somebody from I don't know, kid from Westchester or 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:06.720 Loveland or I don't know, Hyde Park or something else. 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:08.800 You know, how do you how do you determine what's 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:09.679 the city of Cincinnati? 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:14.520 Well, I think, well, I mean, yeah, the last time 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:16.160 we have people from as far as way is at 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:20.439 least we have cars from as far away as New 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:22.960 York and Texas. Which is why the empowerment part of 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:26.960 this motion is important because at least some of the 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:31.800 offenders last time had a relatively small bond of thousand dollars. 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:34.280 So if you're from out of state, are just going 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:37.160 to come and you know, pay your bond money, get 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:39.120 your car and be off the road and never come back. 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:41.800 I think that's the possibility. So that's the reason the 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:43.920 empowerment part of this is important. 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:47.400 Uh, these things target and these are all organized on 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:49.880 social media. Obviously with the NOKA location is going to 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:53.040 be announced at the last minute. Does this legislation, Jeff kramerding, 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:57.640 include any tools that target organizers or promoters or just 0:11:57.800 --> 0:12:00.280 address the participants. What about those people who may have 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:02.280 organized and then may be the same person we don't know, 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:04.720 but if you put this up on your social feed 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:06.440 and we find out who you are, could you wind 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:08.160 up getting in trouble for organizing? 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:14.559 Yeah, that goes into constitutional issues. Obviously there's First Amendment issues, 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:17.480 But are you organizing a criminal act? I think that's 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:22.080 part of the question. So the motion talks about the empowerment. 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:25.600 The motion also talks about anything else from a policy 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:29.839 perspective that city Council can do. So we're talking about 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:32.360 that with our law department. Of course, we want to 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:34.120 hear from the police who were there again, who did 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:36.800 a great job, to see what they're seeing, what they're hearing, 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:40.600 and what can be done to prevent this and make 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:42.200 sure it doesn't happen again, all right? 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:45.680 Council Member jeffkramitting on the show on seven hundred wwfellow 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:49.160 A member Mark Jefferies, who's on the show often proposing 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:52.560 an ordinance aimed at specifically discouraging out of town participants 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:57.199 by having these peneties for street takeovers, talking vehicle impoundment 0:12:57.320 --> 0:13:00.360 for the first defense up to six months, saying that 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:02.760 you know this has worked in Louisville, and that's even 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:05.000 more extreme. They talking about actually destroying your car and level, 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:08.000 so don't do it there. Spectators are targeted. And we 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:11.960 have House Bill fifty six that's being enhanced stunt driving 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:16.000 definition there says stunt driving which is donuts, burnout, drifting, wheelies, racing, 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:18.800 that whole thing. It's illegal felony fleeing now it's now 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:22.079 fell into wil felony of wilful aid police if you're 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:26.640 participating in a street takeover, and accountability for participants all 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:29.199 in there as well, and you could see how Cincinnati's 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:33.640 builds off of the existing Ohio law. Finally, Jef Kramer 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:36.400 doing thirty nine people arrested back last month in the 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:37.800 street takeover roundup. 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:40.800 What happened to their cases? What are the judges order? 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:42.520 What were the decisions? 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:48.800 Yeah, I mean some of the bonds were very low 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:52.679 from my opinion, especially with the nature of the crime 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:56.800 and the transient nature. I mean, these people were out 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:59.560 of town. So you know, I think we're talking about 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:04.760 how to deter this and do more penalties on the 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:07.719 place as part of it, and certainly tracking all these 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:10.640 crimes and developing a better partnership with our with our 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:14.960 county judges. Important. We've talked a lot and then productive 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:19.200 conversations about data when it comes to any crime, what 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:22.800 is working, what is an effective deterrent, and how the 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:27.120 city can we do that. When we had the problems 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:28.880 over the last summer, the city actually put up money 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:30.200 with it with our judges said, you know, you know 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:32.400 we need data and we help you pay for get 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:34.920 systems someplace so we get better data. So I think 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:37.880 that there is a need there across the board, and 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:39.760 it's something we continue to work on and need to 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:40.160 work on. 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:42.840 Are the judges hands tied? Is that the problem? 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:45.160 You can only punish these folks so much, and does 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:47.320 this legislation give it more teeth than you know? Taking 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:48.680 our car away of us is a big one. But 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:50.920 I guess what I'm saying is we know, Jeff, that 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:53.120 the laws out there where our judges are not tough 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:57.400 on recidivism, which means repeat criminals, especially the violent felony types. 0:14:57.440 --> 0:14:59.680 It just they'll released down their own recognizance and by 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:02.960 the time they cross the threshold from from the court 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:05.160 to the street, they're committing crimes all over again, and 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:07.040 judges are just too damn lax. 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:08.120 Is that part of the problem or this? 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:12.880 I think that the problem is if you look at 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:17.160 it in isolation, the penalty might not match the crime. 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:20.040 I mean, we were joking about donuts, and if you say, oh, 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:23.160 a person was in doing donuts at three o'clock in 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:26.320 the school park, you know, you're, okay, that's not that's 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:28.360 not the worst crime. But then if you look at 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:30.600 this in totality, what's going on in one hundred people 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:34.120 driving recklessly down the highway sit unwull blacked in an 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:37.360 organized manner, that becomes a much more serious. That's the 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:39.680 reason that we need to increase the penalty. That three 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:41.640 from these takeovers are so dangerous. 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:43.760 Yeah, but are we going to have judges to go, well, 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:46.280 you know what, I think it's punishing these poor young 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:48.840 victims even though they're engaged in crime here and I'm 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:50.320 just not We're not going to seize their car. We're 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:51.840 just going to let them out. I mean, you can 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:53.680 make all the laws you want, the judges aren't doing 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:55.360 their part. It's pretty worthless, isn't it. 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:56.200 Yeah. 0:15:56.280 --> 0:15:58.240 No, I think that I think that we do from 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:01.760 the city's perspective, we do need data, We do need tracking. 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:06.280 That data should be available with public and me available 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:09.200 to the citizens. And if there's a problem, and a 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:13.000 judge is not meeting community expectations, they should be voted out. 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:15.320 And I think that that data and that tracking is 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:15.840 part of that. 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:18.840 All right, he is a council member, Jeff cramerting on 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:21.800 the Scott's Loan. She'll be voting on this street tagover issue. 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:25.600 And hopefully that's all the information you need to Maybe not, 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:27.560 because I know a lot of my listeners are out 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:29.640 there doing the street takeovers. I got to be honest 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:33.160 with you. I disagree with a lot of my listeners 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:35.760 are street tag over people. I'm sure. Hey, Jeff all 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:37.480 the best man. Thanks for jumping on the shows. Mary, 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:39.160 I appreciate you always. 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:39.520 Pleasure. 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:40.360 Take care. There you go. 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:42.200 We got a news update coming in a just minutes 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:46.280 here on the Big one seven hundred WLW, and we'll 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:48.320 follow what's happening, of course in Iran right now. And 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:50.600 the countdown is out, the countdown because the doomsday clock 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:52.960 is running here. If you believe for his word what 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:55.280 Trump said at eight o'clock tonight, the big boom goes 0:16:55.320 --> 0:16:57.000 off and we wipe the whole country out. We'll see 0:16:57.000 --> 0:16:59.400 what that looks like. If indeed that's what happens. We 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:02.160 don't know what point. The only thing I'm concerned about 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:03.760 it first of all, judges not doing what they're supposed 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:07.160 to do. The second thing, of course, is civilized at forfeitsure, 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:09.600 which I have a problem with because we've seen jurisdictions 0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:11.159 that have been given the tools going, hey, we got 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:13.280 to stop the flow of drugs. Okay, well see you 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:15.320 can seize money now. Great, So now they're just seizing 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:18.720 people's money even though they can't prove its side to drugs, 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:21.080 and they just get to keep it. And that happens 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:23.919 at CBG, it happens all over the place. I just 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:26.359 hope that this doesn't become that as the city looks 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:28.439 for new revenue. Maybe now we'll take your car and 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:32.000 sell it. That could be coming next, although with this 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:34.480 version of it that's not the case for sure. So 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:36.639 it's just a left by eye sloany here. This is 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:37.600 seven hundred WL