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Speaker 2: Guaranteed humans. Well, we've had a a lot of offense,

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Speaker 2: is what I would describe this weekend as between the

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Speaker 2: two teams that played in town, the Pirates and the Penguins.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how anybody could be upset about what's

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Speaker 2: that there's always, I know, some kind of weird tension

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Speaker 2: between the fan bases, But why not just enjoy what's

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Speaker 2: going on with both of them? You know, we will

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Speaker 2: start with the Penguins. I mean, I know that playoff

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Speaker 2: hockey slows down, it gets real defensive, it grinds it out,

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Speaker 2: and you know a lot of times these teams that

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Speaker 2: score rezillion goals have a hard time winning, especially why

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Speaker 2: don't have great goaltending. I just really don't care about

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Speaker 2: all that. This team is so much fun to watch,

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Speaker 2: aren't they? The Penguins. I mean, you looked at that.

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Speaker 2: I think it was yesterday's game, or maybe it was Saturday,

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Speaker 2: because they both seem to play out the same exact way.

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Speaker 2: It was yesterday's game where you know, you looked down

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Speaker 2: it was one, you know, one nothing or two to

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Speaker 2: it's six to two. This team is on a tear

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Speaker 2: right now. And if you look at their last five games,

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's been quite ridiculous how much they're scoring

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Speaker 2: an explosion of goals. It's not just they score, you know,

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Speaker 2: a number of goals that throughout a game, it's that

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Speaker 2: they score them in bunches. Thirty goals in their last

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Speaker 2: five games, that's six a game. The only game they

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Speaker 2: lost in that stretch against Tampa, obviously the best team

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Speaker 2: they played, probably the best team in the East, at

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Speaker 2: the very least in the East. But the bottom line is,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how anybody could not enjoy watching the

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Speaker 2: number of goal scorers they have, the number of different

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Speaker 2: which is a good sign that they're not just some

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Speaker 2: pluk team. Right you look at a couple of the

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Speaker 2: other teams that are in the playoffs that you for instance,

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Speaker 2: the Flyers are actually a negative, the Islanders are a negative,

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Speaker 2: they're plus thirty. It's very healthy. Means they're a much

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Speaker 2: better team. Probably, you know that their record is, you know,

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Speaker 2: in the indicative of who they actually are. But boy,

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Speaker 2: the last two games against Florida, and again Florida's no good.

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Speaker 2: We understand that, but still you gotta win those games.

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Speaker 2: Those are those were important points. I mean there was

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Speaker 2: probably what a week and a half ago, maybe two

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Speaker 2: maybe they you know, I don't know, is Honawa gonna

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Speaker 2: all they've continued to do is just win and rack

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Speaker 2: think their magic numbers too, if I'm not mistaken, they

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Speaker 2: Now if you want to tell me, for instance, two

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Speaker 2: So those three teams, you know what they were for

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Speaker 2: And then they had that little law. Do you remember

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Speaker 2: early on they had maybe lost like six of seven

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Speaker 2: I was like, WHOA, maybe this team has something, but listen,

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Speaker 2: I don't care. And again, you know, we get focused

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Speaker 2: I can't see anybody else making that case. And that's

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Speaker 2: So yes, it's sort of a rebuilding team. But it's

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Speaker 2: That's always, you know, somewhat interesting, just because those two

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Speaker 2: it'll get gooned up, even though that's not quite how

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Speaker 2: it's a fair question to say do they have good

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Speaker 2: enough goaltending to get deep in the playoffs. But none

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Speaker 2: nobody thought that this team was going to be a

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Speaker 2: and I think that's that's really important. You look at

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Speaker 2: And I think that's where, you know, if you want

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Speaker 2: can say whatever you want to say. Florida's no good

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Speaker 2: YadA yadah, Okay, good. Guess what. Guess what good teams

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Speaker 2: do to bad teams. They sweep them. And the Penguins

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Speaker 2: a chance to like rest a few guys before the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Think about that. A week and a half ago, we're

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Speaker 2: Consider all things considered, and again, when you talk about

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Speaker 2: the last Pirates playoff teams, all six of them were

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Speaker 2: but I think you really look at that season, not really.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, we got a lot of goals scored by the

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Speaker 4: six Sweet Can't.

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Speaker 2: Well, we were talking about the Penguins who had a big,

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Speaker 2: big weekend. The other team in town that had a

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Speaker 2: they you know, scored a lot. That to me is

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Speaker 2: probably what we're going to be watching the entire year.

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Speaker 2: Sixteen runs in three games against the Orioles not bad,

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Speaker 2: not bad at all, and in each of the games, well,

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Speaker 2: the Saturday game not so much, but the Friday game yesterday,

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Speaker 2: they had big innings and it's the right guys doing it.

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Speaker 2: That's the big thing. I think. One of the biggest

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Speaker 1: Yeah. They certainly play an entertaining brand of baseball, Paul.

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Speaker 1: And when you have the answers to the test, you

429
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Speaker 1: should get better results. So he kind of did the

430
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 1: best he could with that situation. Now, granted, I'm not

431
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 1: sitting here saying he inherited the easiest thing in the world.

432
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 1: It's quite literally the opposite. But I think Don Kelly

433
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: knew what he was getting into, and he's done a

434
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 1: really good job at pushing the right buttons since then. Yeah,

435
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: there's there's a there's just more of a buy in

436
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: from this team. Last year's team it didn't feel like

437
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,439
Speaker 1: it could win. I mean, there have been numerous players

438
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:40,120
Speaker 1: who have come out and said that this year's team

439
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 1: feels like it can and that comes from the leadership,

440
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: and that comes from the moves they've made, and just

441
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: it's a whole different culture around that place right now.

442
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's just, you know, that's just I think

443
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 2: the most important thing though, is, you know, it can

444
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 2: be fragile, you know, as it takes is a three

445
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 2: or four game losing streak, and then you know, then

446
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 2: you start to question everything.

447
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 6: Clearly.

448
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 2: Obviously the weekend, the biggest development, well, they swept the Rials,

449
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 2: that was a big one, But the biggest news or

450
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 2: development was the fact that Connor Griffin was called up

451
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 2: got of hitting his first at bat. I think one

452
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 2: of the biggest questions that people have is how long

453
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 2: will his leash, so to speak, be if he doesn't

454
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 2: hit like if you know, I mean, obviously he got

455
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 2: a hit in his first a bat and there's a

456
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 2: lot of adrenaline, but he, you know, he's kind of

457
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 2: fallen back a little bit. I mean, if it goes

458
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 2: on for you know, twenty or thirty games, would they

459
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 2: be willing to send him back or do you think

460
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 2: that they are going to do everything in their power

461
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 2: to keep him here.

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00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: I don't think they can send him down, Paul, for

463
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 1: a couple of reasons. One, Jared Triolo just got placed

464
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 1: on the jury list, and he's your only other guy

465
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 1: who can really play shortstop. I mean, he's the only

466
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: guy who could play third base as well. So if

467
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: you send Griffin down, your left side of your infield

468
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 1: is Nick and Dalls and Nick York And while both

469
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: of those guys are hitting the ball right now, neither

470
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: one of them is a shortstop or a third baseman.

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00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: They're both better off probably at second base, So you

472
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: can't have two people playing out a position on that

473
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: left side of the endfield. And that's really what Connor

474
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: Griffin was called up for. His offense is going to

475
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: be a big part of his game, going to be

476
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 1: the most valuable part of his game when he figures

477
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: it out at the major league level. But that might

478
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: not happen this year, and candidly it probably shouldn't. He's

479
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: only nineteen years old. But he's good enough as a

480
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: defender at shortstop and a good enough base runner where

481
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: the value he provides to this team from those two

482
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: things justifies keeping him here. The other part of this equation, too,

483
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: is if you demote him at any point in this season,

484
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: you lose the PPI compensation eligibility, meaning that if he

485
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: wins Rookie of the Year this year or gets the

486
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: top three finish in MVP voting this season, next season

487
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: or the year after that, the Pirates could get a

488
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: first or a draft pick at the end of the

489
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: first round because they let him play a full year

490
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: of major league service time as a rookie. If you

491
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: demote him to the minor leagues, he doesn't meet that threshold.

492
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: Thus they lose that potential compensation, which played a factor

493
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: into his promotion. So he makes this team better, and

494
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: there's a potential you know, compensary award attached to him

495
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: being here. So for those two factors, I really don't

496
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: think he is going to get demoted. It might lead

497
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: to him maybe not being an everyday player if it

498
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: gets really bad offensively, but again, he's not really here

499
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: to provide much offensively. They need this kid to play

500
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: shortstop because no one else really can right now.

501
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 2: Well, he made a couple of really nice plays for sure.

502
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 2: Well there, ever, would they ever come a point and

503
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 2: you know, I know this is probably like you just

504
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 2: addressed it that they need him at shortstop, but would

505
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 2: they ever consider moving him to center and making Cruise

506
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 2: the DH?

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00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: I mean, they could just move Cruise to DH right

508
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: now because they have Mangum who can play center field,

509
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: and even just Sinton Garcia otherwise known as the Password.

510
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: I mean, they have two other really good center field

511
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: options right now. It's just they paid Marcelo Zuna a

512
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: lot of money and they need him to figure it out,

513
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: and Ozuna can only play DH. So that's the big

514
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: question I think surrounding this team right now is everyone

515
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: is playing good baseball aside from one guy, and how

516
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: long do you give that one guy to figure it

517
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: out before you just come to the conclusion of, Hey,

518
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,479
Speaker 1: we're a better team without this guy. It's obviously going

519
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: to be more than just a couple of weeks, and

520
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: Azuna deserves that, right. He's an established veteran. You're paying him,

521
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: I think, like twelve or thirteen million dollars, so you

522
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: need to give him a little little bit of time.

523
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: But I don't know if if your goal is to

524
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: actually truly win this year, I don't know if you

525
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: can afford to give him the same length of opportunity

526
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: that you gave Dorowdi Telez, Michael A. Taylor, Tommy fam

527
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: in recent years. You can't just let him figure it out.

528
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: You got to play the nine that give you the

529
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: best chance to win. And that's a tough balance to

530
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: strike when one of your highest paid players is currently

531
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: your worst.

532
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think the big thing with him,

533
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 2: A lot of people have a theory that you know,

534
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 2: it's just gonna take to the weather gets a little

535
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 2: warmer before he starts to hit. I don't know if

536
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 2: that's a good plan.

537
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, especially in this city, Holy Cow. I mean,

538
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: you should have signed with a Dome team if that's right.

539
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I mean, there have been plenty

540
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: of guys who started poorly in April. I mean, go

541
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: back and look at some of Andrew McCutcheon's best seasons here.

542
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: He ever really had a great April when he was

543
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: in his prime, but he would get going. So you

544
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: got you. You you owe it to the player and

545
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: you owe it to the organization to give this guy

546
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: a little bit more reuh, you know, a little bit

547
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: more time to figure it out. Because if he does

548
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: figure it out and he hits thirty home runs this season,

549
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: that's gonna make your team better because despite all these additions,

550
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: they don't have a ton of guys who are capable

551
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: of doing that Ozuna is, So you've got to give

552
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: him time to figure it out. It's just gonna have

553
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: to be interesting to see how they pick and choose

554
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: the ways they give him a little bit more runway

555
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: when there are guys on the bench who are performing

556
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: better than him right now.

557
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I think when you bring a guy like

558
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 2: that in and you sign him the way that you're

559
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 2: going to sign him, you know, do as much money

560
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,719
Speaker 2: as they've signed him. I mean to me, they're going

561
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 2: to probably give him a little bit more time for sure.

562
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree.

563
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 2: Pitching h R Before I let you go the pitching staff, Uh,

564
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 2: starters haven't given up a home run on Looks to

565
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 2: me like Ashcraft and Chandler are are going to be fine,

566
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 2: just fine in them in a major league rotation. I

567
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 2: don't know what's not to like about the Pirates pitching

568
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 2: right now.

569
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: I can give you one thing. They're walking too many guys. Uh,

570
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: They're they're they're issuing a lot of walks, both the

571
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: starting rotation and the bullpen. Now, part of that is

572
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: because they've got a lot of youngsters and some guys

573
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: who are still trying to figure it out. And the

574
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: other part of it is that's the type of picture

575
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: this organization speaks after.

576
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 5: Uh.

577
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: They like guys with nasty stuff who are a little

578
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: bit of a wild card, and they've had a pretty

579
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: good track record of correcting those flaws and getting the

580
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: most out of those types of players. But that's kind

581
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: of what this whole pitching staff is right now. Aside

582
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: from you know, save two or three guys who have

583
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: a proven track record of being able to pound the

584
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: zone consistently, you have a lot of nasty stuff on

585
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: the staff. But sometimes when the ball leads a guy's hand,

586
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: he has no idea where it's going, and so you're

587
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: gonna see a lot of walks, and when your defense

588
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: is here or miss, you can have games like you

589
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: had on opening Day against the Mets, where when you

590
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: have guys on base for without a hit, you get

591
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: free bases away and then you make mistakes in the field,

592
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: you give up easy runs and you lose games. There

593
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: are gonna be more losses like that this season. But

594
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: if they can trim down the walks, man, I mean,

595
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: this is a good team. This is a good team

596
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: with a good pitching staff.

597
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think it's I think it's one

598
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 2: of those things where we're feeling good uh so far,

599
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 2: but of course, uh it is a long way between

600
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 2: now and October, so let's care it. Let's just be

601
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 2: a temperate with a little bit of Okay, let's wait

602
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 2: and see no great stuff. It's always thank you so

603
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 2: much for jumping on and we will do it again soon.

604
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: I'm sure absolutely, Paul, thanks traving.

605
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 5: Me on ah brother.

606
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 2: There's no hells on Paul's Icifer mark Man. It's one

607
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 2: o five nine the X.

608
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 4: Listen to the exit everywhere you go, no where, everywhere

609
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 4: till your spart device Alexa play one five point nine

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00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 4: the exit on iHeartRadio from.

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00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 5: The one oh five nine the ex Weather Center.

612
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 6: This report, well, there was no how I was talking

613
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 6: about the Pirates.

614
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 2: We talked about the Penguins. We've uh had a big

615
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 2: weekend for both. The Penguins are now gonna get ready

616
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,399
Speaker 2: for the playoffs. It looks to me like they are

617
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 2: going to finish in second place unless they have a

618
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 2: monumental collapse of some sort, which I can't see happening,

619
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Speaker 2: and that means they will probably play host to the Flyers,

620
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 2: although it still could be the Islanders, which, by the way,

621
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 2: you want to talk about the NHL. I I know

622
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 2: that the NBA fires coaches as well, but it feels

623
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 2: like to me the AHL they just don't care. They

624
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 2: fire guys, you know, right before the playoffs. We've seen

625
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 2: it before where they fired you know, guys have gotten

626
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 2: fired with a week. Well, the Islanders are right in

627
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 2: the thick of things right. In fact, it was it

628
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 2: a week ago, a week and a half ago. People

629
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 2: were a little bit worried about, Well, the Islanders might

630
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 2: be the team that you know that the Penguins have

631
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 2: to play in the in the first round, and they

632
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 2: would host them or whatever, and that they'd have to

633
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 2: you know that they would be on the road for

634
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 2: the first you know, a couple of games or whatever.

635
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 2: But in four games they lost. The Islanders lost four

636
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 2: games in a row. They went, they fired Patrick Wall

637
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 2: as their coach and they brought back. I mean, you

638
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 2: want to talk about a guy who just seems to

639
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 2: keep getting jobs, this Pete de ba de Borr. I mean,

640
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 2: this guy is Peter de bor I mean he how

641
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 2: many teams has this guy coached? And they didn't just

642
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 2: like hire him and say, hey, we're gonna wish is

643
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 2: approve it, you know, weak for us. I mean he

644
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 2: got a job, He got the job for the next

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Speaker 2: three years. Theoretically, this guy here, if you think about it,

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Speaker 2: right the bar and it feels like these guys bounce

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Speaker 2: around the NHL. I think the NBA probably does it too,

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Speaker 2: even though the more than the other leagues. Those are

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Speaker 2: although baseball has some recycled guys. But this Peter de Borer,

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Speaker 2: he he was with Florida, the Devils, the Sharks, Vegas, Dallas,

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Speaker 2: and it's one of those things where the people go, heh.

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Speaker 2: You know what, He's won six hundred and sixty two

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Speaker 2: games as an NHL coach, so he knows what he's doing.

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Speaker 2: He's experienced, right, That's what they love. He's experienced. I

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Speaker 2: mean he's lost four hundred and forty seven games as well,

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Speaker 2: but if you think about it, I mean he's made

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Speaker 2: ten playoff appearances, so he's been a guy that you know,

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Speaker 2: has gotten his team into the playoffs. Of course, one

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Speaker 2: of the things that seems to be a theme with

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Speaker 2: him is he loses in the playoffs. But the end

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Speaker 2: of the day, the Islanders, who are right there with

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Speaker 2: the Penguins though a week and a half ago, have

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Speaker 2: fallen out of playoff position and they basically said, you

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Speaker 2: know what, enough of Patrick Raw, We're going to bring

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Speaker 2: in Peter de bar and see what he can do

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Speaker 2: in his last week of the season. I mean the

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Speaker 2: NHL is brutal. You know, I know every sport right now,

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Speaker 2: the state are high no matter what the sport is,

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Speaker 2: especially now like for instance, the college sports now basketball

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Speaker 2: and football. You know, with all the money they're being

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Speaker 2: paid and all that other stuff, the stakes are high.

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Speaker 2: Guys are getting fired a lot quicker than they used to.

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Speaker 2: But it seems like the NHL has always consistently been

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Speaker 2: a leg where you know, this week, we love you,

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Speaker 2: next week we're gonna fire you, and Patrick Wall figured

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Speaker 2: that out. But again, the Islanders were ahead of the

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Speaker 2: Penguins probably what a week and a half. Two weeks ago,

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Speaker 2: they were ahead of the ahead of the Penguins in

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Speaker 2: the standings in second place, and now if you look

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Speaker 2: where they're at, they are actually on the outside of

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Speaker 2: the playoffs looking in. They have four games, they're one

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Speaker 2: point behind the Senators for the second wild card spot,

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Speaker 2: and they are one point behind the Flyers for the

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Speaker 2: third spot in the metro. So it's not like they're

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Speaker 2: completely out of it, but they've got to win. And

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Speaker 2: I think it's one of those things where they basically said,

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Speaker 2: desperate times call for desperate measures, so let's do it.

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Speaker 2: S They fired their coach over the weekend, and of

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Speaker 2: course we'll see if it actually translates into anything more

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Speaker 2: the draft. I think most people probably say they would,

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Speaker 2: And that's just really the reality of it all. Oh,

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