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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know we uh we It's four oh four

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Speaker 2: and this is ESPN fifteen thirty on Moeger. Appreciate you listening.

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Speaker 2: We have two good guests later on this hour, Kendrick

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Speaker 2: d Saint Aubn from MLS. It's actually no longer an

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Speaker 2: MLS season pass. It's gonna take like a month for

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Speaker 2: still Apple TV and she's calling the game on tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: On tomorrow, FC Cincinnati on the road against Minnesota. And

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Speaker 2: and somebody who's working I'm really interested in. Like I

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Speaker 2: like mock drafts. It they can be overkill because there's

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Speaker 2: so many of them, and many take them way too seriously,

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Speaker 2: but they could serve if you find the right people,

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Speaker 2: they could really serve as a guide as you try

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Speaker 2: to be more informed as the draft gets closer. We've

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Speaker 2: thirty minutes. He's the Cincinnati native Ben Robinson, and we're

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Speaker 2: gonna talk about about the Bengals. I have no opacity

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Speaker 2: in the combine with him coming up at four thirty five.

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Speaker 2: We also have we'll pull back the curtain here, tarn

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Speaker 2: and I we have with this in studio, a young man,

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Speaker 2: uh Matt Tarran This, this guy wants to be in broadcasting.

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Speaker 2: This is that why he's here today.

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Speaker 1: He wants to sue a career in sports radio.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he wants to pursue a career in sports in sports,

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Speaker 2: in sports talk radio. Like specifically what we're.

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Speaker 1: Doing, yes, more so what you'r yes, and more so.

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Speaker 2: What I'm doing. Well. Has he has has the first

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Speaker 1: No, he's still here. He's still still here. Curious.

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Speaker 2: Has he learned anything?

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Speaker 1: He's learned a lot. We matter let him talk while

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Speaker 1: I'm talking for.

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Speaker 2: Well, put him on the put him on the mic.

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Speaker 2: This we'll see, We'll see if he has what it takes.

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Speaker 2: Uh Matt, you graduated from Clemson?

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Speaker 3: Yes, sir, that's correct.

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Speaker 1: Very good.

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Speaker 2: Are you having fun? I am.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to blast and you.

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Speaker 2: Want you want to be a sports talk radio host

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Speaker 2: Uh why?

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Speaker 4: I think sports are obviously very fun, obviously, but I

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Speaker 2: Are you from Cincinnati?

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Speaker 1: Honest?

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Speaker 3: No, Actually I'm originally from South Carolina.

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Speaker 2: It's the best ever. I'll never move. But let me

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Speaker 9: Them, Well, Minnesota looks a little bit different this season.

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Speaker 2: We'll be watching tomorrow at four thirty FC Cincinnati's first

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Speaker 9: Well this hope they don't bring out the orange ball tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: You got it. I appreciate it. Four thirty tomorrow, Apple TV.

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Speaker 2: Won't make you eight that long. This is ESPN fifteen

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Speaker 2: thirty on Oeggers. So it's now draft season. The Combine

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Speaker 2: starts draft season, and obviously you know, free agency here

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Speaker 2: we hope is going to be a big deal. I'd

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Speaker 2: be stunned if it's not. But we're starting to form

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Speaker 2: opinions about prospects and we've done the whole arm length

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to do this. So Grinding themocks dot com

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Speaker 2: is a website and I'll put this in I think

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Speaker 2: the most simple way possible, and its founder is going

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Speaker 2: to join us here and he can correct me. But

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Speaker 2: what I like about Grinding the mox is they kind

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Speaker 2: of look at all the mock drafts so I don't

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Speaker 2: have to because I'm lazy, and there are so many

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Speaker 2: of them, and so what they do is they kind

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Speaker 2: of help set for lack of a better way, of

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Speaker 2: putting it. Expectations for how the draft is going to

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Speaker 2: unfold based on a lot of things, but all the

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Speaker 2: good reputable mock drafts are are are part of their

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Speaker 2: data collection and kind of what they use to help

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Speaker 2: set those expectations. I'm now just like throwing out their

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati guy and is with he runs Grinding themox dot

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Speaker 2: com kind enough to join us here at the end

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Speaker 2: of the week. It's Austin. Have you Benjamin? How are

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Speaker 2: you doing? Great? Mo?

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Speaker 8: Thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate it, Appreciate you doing this. Did I kind of

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Speaker 2: nail it? Or did I screw up? And talking about

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Speaker 2: grinding the box and what it does?

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Speaker 8: He did pretty good overall.

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Speaker 10: You know, what I'm doing with Grinning the MOX is

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Speaker 10: trying to make draft fans smarter and more evidence based

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Speaker 10: in their assessmance of players. You know it comes from

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Speaker 10: you know me listening to you know, draft broadcasts and saying,

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Speaker 10: what the hell does mel Kiper even know?

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Speaker 8: Does he?

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Speaker 10: Does he ever want a draft strap and saying instead

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Speaker 10: of you know, asking does what is Todd mc shane know?

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Speaker 10: Has he ever wanted to a draft strap, collecting data

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Speaker 10: from a lot of different sources and using the wisdom

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Speaker 10: of crowds to come up with what I call expected

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Speaker 10: draft position, which gives us a better insight into where

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Speaker 10: we think players will actually go in the draft.

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Speaker 2: How much does expected draft position change from this time

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Speaker 2: of year to two months from now.

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Speaker 8: It's going to change a lot.

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Speaker 10: Right now, as you said before, you know, we're we're

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Speaker 10: still living in a pre free agency world, and so

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Speaker 10: that's going to change some things. We're just now getting

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Speaker 10: this combined data which is also going to shake up

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Speaker 10: things a little bit. But also as we get closer

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Speaker 10: to the draft, that's that's when the best quality mock

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Speaker 10: drafts come out. So in my data right now, we're

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Speaker 10: ranking mock drafts, you know, not super highly. We're about

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Speaker 10: you know, two months from the draft right now, so

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Speaker 10: you when we get to the draft, we're going to

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Speaker 10: be waiting those mock drafts a lot higher. And also

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Speaker 10: making sure that we were looking at who makes those

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Speaker 10: mock drafts and giving credit to the Dane Bruglers of

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Speaker 10: the world and not to the Benjamin Robinson's of the world.

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Speaker 10: Like when I do my mock draft, I assess my

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Speaker 10: mock draft in the same way that I assess Danes

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Speaker 10: and make sure that I rate his mock draft appropriately

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Speaker 10: and then push down my opinion.

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Speaker 2: Are there some themes as they relate specifically to the

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Speaker 2: Bengals that are starting to emerge that we acknowledge still

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Speaker 2: may change based on a lot of different things over

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Speaker 2: the next seven eight nine weeks.

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Speaker 10: Definitely, so on grinding themock dot Com and my team

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Speaker 10: chart section. I have charts and what I call weighted

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Speaker 10: mock draft shares. It's not taking that same concept that

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Speaker 10: not all mock drafts are created equal and taking those

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Speaker 10: weights so that we're up weighing up mock drafts that

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Speaker 10: were made closer to the draft and weighing up mock

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Speaker 10: drafts that are made by experts. And eighty five percent

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Speaker 10: of the mock drafts that have been public so far

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Speaker 10: for the Round one for the Bengals have them targeting

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Speaker 10: some type of defensive player, whether that's you know, safety

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Speaker 10: Caleb Downs from Ohio State who's number number one, you

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Speaker 10: know the defensive tackle Peter Woods from Clemson, or you

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Speaker 10: know your flavor of edge rusher like Auburn's Caldric Fock.

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Speaker 10: Texas texts David Bailey or Miami's Caleb Downs.

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Speaker 11: So you know, defense, as.

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Speaker 10: Everyone in town knows, has been a theme the last

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Speaker 10: two years and continues to be a theme. The beatings

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Speaker 10: will continue when fil morale improves.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned Caleb Downs, right, and there's a great argument

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Speaker 2: about positional value versus you know, I mean, some have

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Speaker 2: him as a top three player in the draft, which

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Speaker 2: if he plays another position, he's gone well before the

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Speaker 2: Bengals are on the clock. But he does play safety,

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Speaker 2: it's not regarded as quote a premium position. How often

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Speaker 2: have you seen him going so early that as the

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Speaker 2: Bengals are getting closer to being on the podium with

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Speaker 2: the tenth pick, it's not even something they even have

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Speaker 2: a chance to think about for right now.

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Speaker 10: In my data, he's the seventh overall ranked player, and

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Speaker 10: so obviously we know the Bengals are picking it ten.

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Speaker 10: So there's some upward pressure on his rankings and my data,

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Speaker 10: and that comes from some other teams that are probably

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Speaker 10: going to be really interested into services, you know, in

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Speaker 10: terms of the top teams that Caleb I'm sorry that

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Speaker 10: Caleb Downs is mocked to The Bengals are number one,

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Speaker 10: but like I said, it doesn't matter if they're ranked

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Speaker 10: number one if a team selects him before them, and

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Speaker 10: so you know you're seeing teams like the Commanders and

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Speaker 10: the Giants, Well there's a lot of interest in him,

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Speaker 10: and obviously you know when they picked before the Bengals,

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Speaker 10: and so there's a decent chance right now, in my day,

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Speaker 10: I'd say it's about a two thirds chance that he's uh,

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Speaker 10: that he's even that he's gone by that time.

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Speaker 8: So you can wish, it doesn't mean it's going to happen.

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Speaker 10: And so that's why you want to be showing people

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Speaker 10: the data to say, hey, you know, when we're there

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Speaker 10: on the clock, they may not even have that choice.

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Speaker 10: Here are some other options about players that can really

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Speaker 10: help the Bengals next year on defense, or maybe they'd

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Speaker 10: go Google offense. You know, I think they still could

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Speaker 10: use another offensive lineman to round out that group.

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Speaker 2: Check out grinding themokx dot com. Benjamin Robinson is with us.

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Speaker 2: Has there been a wild change based on knowing specifically

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Speaker 2: for Ruben Bain, knowing specifically how long his arms are?

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Speaker 10: So right now my site still shows data from before

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Speaker 10: the combine, and I do that on purpose. I think

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Speaker 10: it's really important to have that sort of set expectation

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Speaker 10: of what we thought about a player before the combine

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Speaker 10: and then what we thought about after the combine.

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Speaker 8: So I won't update the site.

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Speaker 10: With new data for about a week or so, but

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Speaker 10: in my current pre combine data, he has about an

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Speaker 10: average expected draft position of five and a half, which

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Speaker 10: pushed him as my third ranked player. So, needless to say,

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Speaker 10: people who watch the tape know that he has these

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Speaker 10: physical limitations.

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Speaker 2: People have talked.

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Speaker 8: About this for a while. There were some rumblings that.

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Speaker 10: Some teams didn't even view him but as a pure

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Speaker 10: edge rusher, despite that's where he played and had a

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Speaker 10: ton of success at Miami.

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Speaker 8: So there was even some.

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Speaker 10: Rumblings that some teams thought of him more as a

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Speaker 10: guy who was play inside, who you know, wouldn't have to,

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Speaker 10: who could kind of go into with his power and

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Speaker 10: really make an impact on the interior. I think he's

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Speaker 10: probably gonna be doing a little bit of both, and

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Speaker 10: so the moment that people start viewing at him as

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Speaker 10: less of a pure edge rusher, you might be able

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Speaker 10: to see what teams might be might be wanting to

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Speaker 10: do with Reuben Bain, but he is so powerful, so

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Speaker 10: he's less like an overall speed rusher and more of

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Speaker 10: a power rusher, which when you look at edge rushers

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Speaker 10: in the NFL, on how a lot of them win

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Speaker 10: the good ones? Really, you actually do win a lot

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Speaker 10: more with power than just with speed. And I think

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Speaker 10: David Bailey, the ED rusher from Texas Tech, who is

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Speaker 10: ranked fourth overall on my data now Bengals SCRAMs and

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Speaker 10: probably also love to have. He's more of that traditional

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Speaker 10: kind of win with speed address rather than that kind

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Speaker 10: of power rusher that you see in Vain.

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Speaker 2: We're obviously very early in the process, but from a

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Speaker 10: Yeah, Day two and three is a little bit of

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Speaker 10: a different story. When we start looking into the day

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Speaker 10: the second round picks for the Bengals, you still see

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Speaker 10: ed rusher as a team. So you know, when I

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Speaker 10: look at, you know, the top ed rusher that Bengals

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Speaker 10: are being mocked in the second round because you know,

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Speaker 10: I collect thousands of mock drafts, and some of those

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Speaker 10: mock drafts go much further than this first rounds, you've

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Speaker 10: seen somebody show up like Illinois ed rusher Gabe Jackets,

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Speaker 10: so he had a really great senior Bowl. If the

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Speaker 10: Bengals decided to go you know, let's say they wanted

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Speaker 10: to go linebacker or safety or offensive lineman like I said,

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Speaker 10: been mocked pretty frequently as well. They could go as

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Speaker 10: rusher the second round with a guy like Gabe Jackets.

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Speaker 8: And if they decide, you know, and.

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Speaker 11: This is what these decisions are like.

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Speaker 10: The questions you have to decide is you know, when

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Speaker 10: we go for a player in the first round at

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Speaker 10: one position, what does that position look like in the

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Speaker 10: next round. And you see, the Bengals do this kind

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Speaker 10: of stuff all the time. Teams have to deal with

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Speaker 10: this all the time. And I go back to that

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Speaker 10: Jamar Chase pine Seul decision, and so teams are going

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Speaker 10: to look at, okay, we're interested in this position. Well,

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Speaker 10: when we're picking again in the next round, what does

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Speaker 10: that position look like? So you know, if they decide

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Speaker 10: to go edge rusher in the in the second round

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Speaker 10: with a Gabe Jackis, then in the first round they

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Speaker 10: could do something different and so similarly, you see a

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Speaker 10: player like USC safety Kamari Ramsey show up as a

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Speaker 10: guy who could be of interest to the Bengals if

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Speaker 10: they decided to go safety in the second round given

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Speaker 10: their need at safety. So those are a couple of

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Speaker 10: names when I see, you know, edge, rusher and safety

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Speaker 10: show up so much in first round mocks that if

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Speaker 10: they're going a different direction, Bengals fans might want to

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Speaker 10: start getting used to some of those names as alternatives.

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Speaker 2: Since you've been doing this, where has been the one,

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Speaker 2: this difference between where a player was expected to be

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Speaker 2: drafted and ultimately where he was selected.

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Speaker 11: Oh, it's trade door, Sanders.

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Speaker 1: I knew that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah last year.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, so last year, you know, I my data, my

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Speaker 10: public data, you know, was in line with what a

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Speaker 10: lot of people were saying about Shador, which was, you

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Speaker 10: know that they thought that he would be going to

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Speaker 10: Pittsburgh and with their pick and the you know the thing,

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Speaker 10: it was like twenty third or something in the first round,

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Speaker 10: and he didn't go there, and you know, he fell

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Speaker 10: and he fell and he fell and he fell, and

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Speaker 10: even the most advanced models, you know, So I was

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Speaker 10: just in Indianapolis with the combine and I was talking to,

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Speaker 10: you know, a team and I asked him, you know,

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Speaker 10: I was talking about my data and my insights and

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Speaker 10: where they had Shador and they said, you know, there

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Speaker 10: was only so many times we could tell our you.

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Speaker 11: Know, the general manager, that the probability was.

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Speaker 10: Zero that he was supposed to be here. So, you know,

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Speaker 10: he was the biggest foller in recent memory. Before that,

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Speaker 10: it was Malik Willis, the year that there was only

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Speaker 10: one quarterback drafted in the first round with the Steelers,

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Speaker 10: you know, taking Kenny Pickett and Malik Lewis. Who's now

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Speaker 10: you know, the bell of the ball of free agent

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Speaker 10: quarterbacks shows that, you know, the life in.

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Speaker 11: The NFL is long. But yeah, Shador was.

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Speaker 10: It was really unexpected. You know, even my more advanced

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Speaker 10: numbers had him in the like late first, early second round.

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Speaker 10: So I was surprised. I was surprised that he was.

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Speaker 10: He was still there in the fifth round. At a

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Speaker 10: certain point, I thought maybe the Bengals might want to

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Speaker 10: take a gander on that, but it seemed like it

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Speaker 10: probably would have been more trouble than it was worth,

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Speaker 10: given the same sort of rumors about him in Baltimore

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Speaker 10: that Baltimore was interested in in selecting him, and he

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Speaker 10: told them that he wouldn't like that because he wanted

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Speaker 10: to be in a place where he could play.

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Speaker 8: And you know, he made a pro bole, So you

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Speaker 8: know what else we have to say.

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Speaker 2: That's right, he did. He did a Pro Bowl. Yes,

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Speaker 2: so did Joe Flacco this year. So do what you

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Speaker 2: want with that. And here's my request. The week of

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Speaker 2: the draft, can I bring you back so we can

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Speaker 2: kind of see where things are at that point relative

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Speaker 2: to where they are right now and maybe set some

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Speaker 2: expectations for draft weekend.

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Speaker 10: Definitely, Yeah, and the data will be a lot more

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Speaker 10: rich and interesting. And yeah, the storylines evolve, and that's.

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Speaker 8: One of the reasons why I love doing this.

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Speaker 10: It's all about the stories and the journeys of these prospects.

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Speaker 10: They go from college to prow and the data does

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Speaker 10: a really good job of telling that story.

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Speaker 2: That's Ben Johnson the website Grinding Themox dot com on

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Speaker 2: Twitter at grinding Mocks. Awesome conversation. Man, We'll do it

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Speaker 2: again as we get closer to the draft. I really

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Speaker 2: do appreciate the time.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, no problem, thank you, mom.

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Speaker 2: You got it. I appreciate it. Cincinnati native Bengals fan

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Speaker 2: Ben Johnson grinding Themox dot com. I became familiar with

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Speaker 2: his website reading a piece in The Ringer last year

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Speaker 2: right after the Shador Sanders thing went down the way

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Speaker 2: it did, and they used him to sort of illustrate like,

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Speaker 2: here's where everybody thought that guy was gonna go, and

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Speaker 2: look at the difference between where he was expected to

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Speaker 2: Reds are playing the Angels right now in goodyear. They

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Speaker 2: have played six and a half. LA leads that ballgame

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Speaker 2: four to two. Reht Louder started for Cincinnati pitchwell when

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Speaker 2: guys struck out three. Julian Aggiar gave up three runs

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Speaker 2: and his two innings of work offensively. The highlights include

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Speaker 2: scored a run, Jose Travinos driven in a run, he

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Speaker 2: has two hits, and Reese Hines has a triple again

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Speaker 2: for two Angels, Reds getting set to bat in the

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Speaker 2: bottom of the seventh inning. Those games are always weird

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Speaker 2: because both teams were red. College basketball Tonight, Miami puts

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Speaker 2: its undefeated record on the line on the road tonight,

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Speaker 2: taking on Western Michigan. Miami won the first matchup. That

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Speaker 2: game was up mallet Hall won by eleven points. Tip

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Speaker 2: off his early tonight at six pm. Also Tonight, Dayton's

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Speaker 2: at George Washington. The Flyers looking for a fifth consecutive win. Tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: Xavier hooks up with Georgetown, a pair of teams that

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Speaker 2: are each five and twelve in Biggies Play. Musketeers won

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Speaker 2: the first matchup. Tomorrow's tip off is at one thirty.

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Speaker 2: XU trying to break a three game losing streak at

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Speaker 2: Cooley's team trying to break a five game losing streak

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Speaker 2: you see, hooks up with Oklahoma State tomorrow. That game

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Speaker 2: tips off at two pm on seven hundred WLW. The

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Speaker 2: Cowboys are seventeen and eight five and ten in Big

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Speaker 2: twelve Play. Kentucky battles Vanderbilt Commodoores whipped Kentucky in the

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Speaker 2: first game by twenty five Tomorrow's game tips off at

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Speaker 2: two o'clock on ESPN fifteen thirty. Also in the area,

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Speaker 2: Louisville's at Clemson at two o'clock. NKU plays its final

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Speaker 2: regular season game tomorrow against Wright State. That game at

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Speaker 2: NKU tips off at seven pm. I rolled through the

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Speaker 2: scenarios before, but just in case you didn't jot all

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Speaker 2: this down, the Norse can still get a home game

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Speaker 2: in the very confusing Horizon League Tournament. The Norse need

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Speaker 2: to win tomorrow and get a Detroit Mercy law and

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Speaker 2: get a Purdue Fort Wayne loss, and get a green

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Speaker 2: Bay win. That I mentioned that a Green Bay win,

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Speaker 2: a Detroit Mercy loss, and a Perdue Fort Wayne loss.

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Speaker 2: That's what the end. They gotta win tomorrow. Lots of

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Speaker 2: stuff has to happen. Hopefully it does. Sunday, Ohio State

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Speaker 2: takes on Perdue, and Indiana battles Michigan State. Both the

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Speaker 2: Buckeyes and the Hoosiers could badly use wins against really

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Speaker 2: good teams this weekend. FC Cincinnati and Minnesota tomorrow at

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Speaker 2: four point thirty. That game is on the Project one

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Speaker 2: hundred points seven and one oh six three, and the

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Speaker 2: Cyclones played tonight on the road against Fort Wayne and

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Speaker 2: then home tomorrow for Kalamazoo Skyline Chile three way Jersey Day,

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Speaker 2: and then an afternoon game on Sunday against Kalamazoo as well. Uh,

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Speaker 2: there you go, there you go. Five, one, three, seven, four, nine,

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Speaker 2: Miss is ESPN fifty A. Jorneymulllegger. Thanks for listening today.

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Speaker 2: Let's squeeze in a phone call. Mike, go ahead, you

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Speaker 2: got like two and a half minutes. You're on ESPN

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Speaker 2: fifteenth thirty.

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Speaker 5: Ooh, that's a ton of time.

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Speaker 8: Thank you.

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Speaker 5: Hey, is your prospective competitors still there in the studio?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's still enjoying. I don't know if he's

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Speaker 2: enjoying himself, but he is still I'm sure he's not

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Speaker 5: Well, young man, let me tell you one thing. I've

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Speaker 5: been a loyal caller to this Man show Moegar and

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Speaker 5: Tarren Blant for many years, and I will tell you

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Speaker 5: this much. They're both very professional at what they do.

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Speaker 5: And I've been retired for years, so basically my life

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Speaker 5: is listening to sports talk shows all over the country.

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Speaker 5: My all time favorite other than mo is Jim Rome.

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Speaker 5: Jim Rome is a classic and all to himself for

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Speaker 5: a variety of reasons. But you will never find two

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Speaker 5: better men, two better professionals, two more sincere gentlemen than

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Speaker 5: Moegar and Taron Blant, So keep that head up. They're

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Speaker 5: both self made men, and I admire him and I

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Speaker 5: to say, that's.

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Speaker 2: Very, very very kind of you, Mike. We are not deserving.

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Speaker 2: I'm not deserving in that praised terran Is, but that's

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Speaker 2: very kind of you.

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Speaker 5: Nonetheless, Well, it's the truth, you know, the truth. The

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Speaker 5: truth is. The truth's always easy.

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Speaker 10: You know.

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Speaker 5: It's just when you get into the other stuff it

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Speaker 2: I understand.

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Speaker 5: Let's uh listen, I gotta tell you this stuff. Rome

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Speaker 5: just beat the heck Earlier when you were having a

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Speaker 5: guest on it wasn't really my cup of tea or whatever.

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Speaker 5: So I switched it for a minute over to row Me,

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Speaker 5: and Rome was just beaten down. The Bengals over those

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Speaker 5: f he said. No, not only did they have an

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Speaker 8: I was.

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Speaker 5: I was. I had tears in my eyes. Did you

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Speaker 5: know how that guy is? I was laughing so hard

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Speaker 5: Mo because he it was just something for him to

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Speaker 5: hammer on, and boy did he ever. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Look, I mean that's that stuff. I'm look you you

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Speaker 2: you gotta be fair. So if you're gonna mention all

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Speaker 2: the bad grades. You got to mention the stuff they

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Speaker 2: got high marks for. But is there is there is

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Speaker 2: a repeated pattern of the Bengals not being able to

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Speaker 2: do some of this stuff to the satisfaction of their players.

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Speaker 2: And maybe as a fan that doesn't matter to you,

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Speaker 2: but I you know, I talked about this at the

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Speaker 2: top of the show. You can either decide we're gonna

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Speaker 2: do everything at the highest possible level or we're not.

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Speaker 2: And it appears that instill in many regards as it

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Speaker 2: relates to things that their players care about. They have

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Speaker 2: a reluctance or an inability to do absolutely everything at

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Speaker 2: the highest possible level. Mike, I got a run, man,

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Speaker 2: have a great weekend.

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Speaker 5: Okay, thanks, Mar appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: All right, all right, there you go. We'll dive deeper

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Speaker 2: to this coming up after the five o'clock top of

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Speaker 2: the hour ESPN Sports Update five point three seven four nine,

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