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Speaker 3: know that that means our guy, Joe Danoman is going

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Speaker 3: to join us at one o'clock this afternoon. Joe Danoman

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Speaker 3: Hall of Fame and what goes into that. Scott Saderfield

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Speaker 3: is back with his weekly Tuesday press conference. You'll hear

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Speaker 3: that in our number three. And we've got a lot

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Speaker 3: to get to with the Cincinnati Bengals. More on Joe

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Speaker 3: fifteen thirty. Let's start with the top sports stories from

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Speaker 3: around the sports world.

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Speaker 2: Austin.

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Speaker 3: I feel like things around LSU are gonna get a

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Speaker 3: little dicey. Brian Kelly is now going back at LSU.

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Speaker 3: LSU is claiming that it has not formally terminated the coach.

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Speaker 3: They are trying to find ways for Cause to get

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Speaker 3: rid of Brian Kelly, which would avoid paying a full

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Speaker 3: buy out of nearly fifty four million dollars.

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Speaker 2: I'm not a big Brian Kelly guy. Matter of fact,

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Speaker 2: they can't stand the guy at all, but good for him.

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Speaker 2: Why should he not try to get as much money

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Speaker 2: as possible. Yeah, I think I actually sided with BK

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Speaker 2: on this one. I mean, fifty three million, that's a

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Speaker 2: go get your bag, man, get your bag, coach, go

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Speaker 2: get your Why negotiate a deal like that if you're

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Speaker 3: Nico Harrison expected to be fired as the general manager

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Speaker 3: of the Dallas Mavericks today. It's just not gone well

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Speaker 3: for Nico Harrison. Obviously, the Luka Doncic and who Luca

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Speaker 3: is still becoming. They got Anthony Davis for him. That

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Speaker 3: has been a disaster. And I thought Austin that maybe

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Speaker 3: winning the lottery and getting Cooper flag would be enough

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Speaker 3: to save Nico's job. They've started three and eight on

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Speaker 3: the season. They are trending in the wrong direction, and

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Speaker 3: the Mavericks are moving in a new direction and moving

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Speaker 3: on from Nico Harrison.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it just hasn't seemed to work out.

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Speaker 2: And the way that Nico has kind of carried himself

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Speaker 2: the arrogance that comes with it. The MAVs really, ever

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Speaker 2: since Mark Cuban had kind of stepped back, have made

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Speaker 2: Nico is no longer going to be the GM.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of the former mentioned Luka Doncik. He had thirty eight,

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Speaker 2: I saw that Lebron has begun practicing with the G

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Speaker 2: who checks notes is almost fifty, will return to action

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Speaker 2: in the Association. Also, you're gonna talk about Wimby last night.

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Speaker 3: Victor Wimbin Yamah thirty eight twelve five five. Spurs outscore

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Speaker 2: don't know how you're supposed to defend Wemby on those

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Speaker 2: they got dearon Fox as well. He's back in the fold.

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Speaker 2: That's a good, good, young and fun Spurs team from

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Speaker 2: NBA Action to Maction. We've got Maction tonight and tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: Ken State, Akron tonight, Ohio, Western Michigan tonight tomorrow Buffalo

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Speaker 3: We've got college basketball to discuss today. We will devote

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Speaker 3: a segment to this in the show today. But the

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Speaker 3: Center last night for the Xavier Musketeers.

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Speaker 2: Well, thankfully nobody was there to see it. Yeah, sparse crowd.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, crazy sparse. Last night, Santa Clara was up nineteen

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Speaker 3: have not seen yet, Austin a Richard Patino grade tweet. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean, listen to do it when you win, you

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Speaker 3: got to do it when you lose.

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Speaker 2: I agree. I like Richard Patino, I like his vibe.

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Speaker 2: I respect that he has done this, But you're going

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Speaker 2: the grades when you lose. Yep. We need it today, Yep,

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Speaker 3: College basketball tonight, top twenty five matchup Creighton at Gonzaga,

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Speaker 2: Is Mark Pope going to be there? He's got jury duty.

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Speaker 2: I think he got out of jury duty. Okay, he's

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Speaker 2: he came in right as the game started, like all disheveled, yep,

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Speaker 3: Also, tonight, Dayton is at Fifth Third Arena to take

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Speaker 2: Love that it's being played at fifth Third.

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Speaker 3: We will recap the Xavier game. You'll hear from Richard Patino.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, without a doubt, maybe top five. Would Xavier be

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Speaker 2: it's a good question. I mean, Young Sound State's up there, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Last night Eagles Packers a defensive contest.

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Speaker 2: Were you entertained by that game? Not?

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Speaker 3: Really, Okay, I was, I've just not been entertained watching

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Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts and Jordan Love. Now we saw a game

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Speaker 3: on Thursday Night Football that was ten to seven with

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Speaker 3: and you think, I don't think these two teams are

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Speaker 2: Than that score indicates. I was entertained by the game

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Speaker 2: been more entertained if it was fifty six to fifty. Yeah, sure.

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Speaker 3: I just when I look at these teams, I go

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Speaker 3: back to the quarterback play. I just don't know how

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Speaker 3: much I trust Jordan Love And right now it doesn't

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Speaker 3: feel like Jalen Hurts wants to be much of a runner.

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Speaker 3: I get it. Philly's a good team. Green Bay's also

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Speaker 3: and it brings me to more of a I guess

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Speaker 3: that back to the Cincinnati Bengals. We'll talk about that

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Speaker 3: as we go in hour number one. But the NFC, Austin,

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Speaker 3: you could make a case for the Seahawks. You could

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Speaker 3: I just feel like there's a lot of seats at

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Speaker 2: Right now? I still lean towards Detroit, Okay, that's who

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Speaker 3: Campbell's now calling place for the vikings for the For

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I would say it was one.

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Speaker 2: There's been concerns about the efficiency of their offense and

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Speaker 2: against the Bengals, they weren't the best. Those problems carried

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Speaker 2: they just kind of ran away with it. But following

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Speaker 2: Dan Campbell, at his credit, said you know what, I'm

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Speaker 3: But I think there is a path that you can

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Speaker 3: make arguments for Super Bowl contenders for the Eagles, the Seahawks,

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Speaker 3: the Lions, the Bucks, the Rams, the Packers, all out

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Speaker 2: I think today the two best teams in the NFC

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Speaker 2: might be Tampa and Seattle. That doesn't necessarily mean they're

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Speaker 2: going to be the last one standing. Tampa's dealing within injuries,

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Speaker 2: mean the margin you know between those tiers very very thin. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: MLB, they got their awards coming down this week throughout

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Speaker 2: I believe in the cojuur of the years.

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Speaker 3: When we return, let's dive back into Joe Burrow conversations

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Speaker 3: All Right, the big news yesterday was obviously Joe Burrow

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Speaker 3: My question would be, Austin, if they beat Pittsburgh, does

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Speaker 2: That's the thought that I have the way I look

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Speaker 3: Is it the job of the organization if they're three

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Speaker 2: I think when you think about what is best for

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Speaker 2: the franchise, it is not playing Joe Burrow number one.

436
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Speaker 2: Those games essentially become meaningless and they have struggled to

437
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 2: draft as it is, So if you lose those games,

438
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,679
Speaker 2: all it does is help you get a better player

439
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 2: in the draft. Secondly, you still have two rookies starting

440
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 2: on your offensive line, and Dylan Fairchild and Jalen Rivers,

441
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 2: and they're going to get every opportunity to start over

442
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,679
Speaker 2: the course of the rest of the season, and you

443
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 2: really don't want Burrow to have any sort of re injury,

444
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 2: whether that's to his toe, or otherwise going into the offseason. Now,

445
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 2: I want Joe to play. I'm sure the Bengals want

446
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 2: Joe to play. I'm sure Joe wants to play. But

447
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 2: when you think of it through the lens of what

448
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 2: is best for the betterment of the franchise, putting him

449
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 2: out there in meaningless games, yep, that doesn't.

450
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Speaker 3: Qualify, especially with so many questions you've got to already

451
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 3: figure out. You've got so much to figure out on

452
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 3: this team. Do you really want to be trying to

453
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 3: figure out if you have all the answers on the

454
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Speaker 3: O line while still putting Joe Burrow back there.

455
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Speaker 2: I also think Joe understands that possibility, because he said

456
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Speaker 2: he was asked I think by Dan Hord and others

457
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 2: about the wins and losses and you know, the variables

458
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 2: that go into it. And I think he also understands

459
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 2: it's a real possibilit if we lose these games that

460
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Speaker 2: I don't get to play at all.

461
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Speaker 3: I applaud Joe Burrow. I love everything about who he is.

462
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Speaker 3: I love his work ethic, the desire to not only

463
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Speaker 3: get back, but to completely blow away the time frame

464
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 3: that many people have been given. And I think the

465
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,640
Speaker 3: peelback that Jake Glazier gave of the mindset of Joe

466
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Speaker 3: Burrow and how he wanted to get back. I have

467
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 3: so much respect for that as someone on a smaller

468
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 3: scale who's went through multiple injuries and know the mental

469
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 3: toll just as well as the physical that it can take.

470
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Speaker 3: I applaud Joe for wanting to be back and be

471
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Speaker 3: back so quick, But you also have to think about

472
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Speaker 3: the long term future as well. You've got to think

473
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Speaker 3: about this organization, and that, to me, Austin raises a

474
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 3: bigger question and it's something we alluded to yesterday and

475
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Speaker 3: I'll go back to it today. You started the start

476
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 3: of this year, the conversation in the AFC was around Buffalo,

477
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Speaker 3: Kansas City, and Baltimore. And there are folks out there

478
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 3: that still believe Buffalo can can get things figured out,

479
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 3: that Kansas City is the most dangerous team just because

480
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 3: they've been there so many times, and there are a

481
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Speaker 3: lot of folks I believe the Baltimore Ravens are gonna

482
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,719
Speaker 3: win the AFC North, that the betting favorite, and they

483
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 3: are going to be a dangerous out in the playoffs.

484
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Speaker 3: But the issue that I see across the AFC is.

485
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Speaker 3: I don't see Buffalo or Baltimore or Kansas City going

486
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Speaker 3: away next year. I still see them as a contender

487
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 3: in the AFC. The things that I did not account

488
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Speaker 3: for was Indianapolis being this far ahead of schedule, seemingly

489
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Speaker 3: not going anywhere anytime soon. The Denver Broncos rookie quarterback

490
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 3: Bo Nicks not going anywhere soon. They've won seven games

491
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Speaker 3: in a row. The New England Patriots rookie quarterback building

492
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 3: the team around him with seven games in a row,

493
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 3: are not going anywhere soon. At eight and two. The

494
00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 3: Steelers seem to always have at least some say. Los

495
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 3: Angeles Chargers are seven to three. Seven and three, and

496
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 3: they lost both tackles Joe Alt and Rashaun Slater. They

497
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 3: are still competitive. The Jacksonville Jaguars, say what you want

498
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 3: about the meltdown this past weekend. Under Liam Cohen, I

499
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 3: think are going to be a better team. The Houston

500
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 3: Texans don't seem to be that far off. We've talked

501
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 3: about the fight that the Miami Dolphins have shown. What

502
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 3: I'm getting at the AFC is going to be deeper

503
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 3: and more talented next year. So while it would be

504
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 3: great for Joe Burrow to come back if they're playing

505
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 3: meaningful football. If they're not playing meaningful football, you have

506
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 3: way too many questions as a team on both sides

507
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 3: of the ball to answer so that you can try

508
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 3: to get it figured out and be a competitive team

509
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,479
Speaker 3: next year. Because we're still Austin. Are we still operating

510
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 3: in the Joe Burrow super Bowl window?

511
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Is that how we're supposed to be operating. Absolutely?

512
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 2: I think we're into a different portion.

513
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 3: Is that tougherent today than it was last year because

514
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 3: of now more seats at the table in the AFC?

515
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 2: No, it doesn't change like Yeah, of course, more good

516
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 2: teams means it's going to be more difficult to where

517
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 2: you to be where you want to go.

518
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,679
Speaker 3: Do you trust that this team can do enough this

519
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 3: offseason to contend for a Super Bowl next year?

520
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 2: Yes? What gives you that belief? They have seventy million

521
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 2: dollars in cap space and the best one of the

522
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 2: best offenses in the NFL.

523
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 3: How much they would they have fifty plus in cap

524
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 3: space last offseason?

525
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:30,199
Speaker 2: M hmmm? Did nothing? Fair? Yeah? I mean fair, But

526
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 2: I'm not going to just say okay, they can't do

527
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 2: it at all? I have seen them spend money appropriately.

528
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 2: I have seen them draft players that can be helpful.

529
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Speaker 2: I've seen them turn it around quicker than I expected.

530
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to just say they can't do it.

531
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Speaker 2: Have you seen am I overly confident that they will know.

532
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 2: But I don't think it's impossible to think that this

533
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 2: team is right back in the playoffs next year. Well,

534
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Speaker 2: I don't mean the plump time winning a Super Bowl.

535
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 2: I agree, you got to get to the playoffs first.

536
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 2: I don't think it's out of this realm at all

537
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 2: to say that now it does feel like they're far

538
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 2: away from contending, just because it doesn't feel like there's

539
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 2: been any development on those young players on defense. But

540
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 2: I do feel like Dylan Fairschild's a hit. I think

541
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 2: Jalen Rivers is trending in that direction as well. What

542
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: Trey Henderson, how that situation plays out, remains to be seen.

543
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 2: But when you have seventy million dollars, and even if

544
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 2: you do spend twenty five of it on Trey, you

545
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 2: still have a path to be able to repair your defense.

546
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 2: I think, especially through the draft, I get that there's

547
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 2: plenty of reason to doubt their ability to draft I

548
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 2: have one hundred percent agree with you, especially on defense.

549
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 2: But I'm not going to say a team with an

550
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 2: offense that's this good with these quarterbacks. We haven't even

551
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 2: talked about restructuring Burrows deal, which is still on the

552
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 2: table to open up even more cap space at seventy million.

553
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 2: I have no reason to believe that they can't get

554
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 2: right back in the conversation.

555
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 3: My only concern is, regardless of the money, who's making

556
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 3: the decision, They've not drafted well. They have failed since

557
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 3: going back to Carson Palmer. When Carson Palmer got paid,

558
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 3: they were thirty three and forty six after he got

559
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 3: paid one playoff appearance and lost. They were thirty three

560
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 3: and forty six after Andy Dalton got paid one playoff

561
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 3: appearance and lost. They're twelve and fourteen after Joe Burrow

562
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 3: got paid. They've yet to be in the playoffs. There

563
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 3: just hasn't been a track record of building this roster

564
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 3: under the current regime with Duke Tobin and Zacht whatever

565
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 3: whatever hand Zach Taylor Marvin Lewis had and that as well,

566
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 3: there just hasn't been any indication that they've been able

567
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 3: to build a roster after paying a quarterback.

568
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and listen, it's not going to change. Zach's not

569
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 2: going to get fired. Duke's not gonna get fired that

570
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 2: So I mean, we can yell and bitch and moan

571
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 2: at the Brown family and put up posters and protests

572
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 2: and do all this stuff. It's not going to change.

573
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 2: I don't think though. They've opened up the money, sure,

574
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 2: but they still play a role in this, and they

575
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 2: are decision makers and it's their franchise and it would

576
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 2: be up to them to decide what to do with

577
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 2: Zach and a Duke. And based off of the history,

578
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 2: if you want to follow off what you've been saying,

579
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 2: it's not likely that they'll make a significant change. And

580
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 2: so based off of that, you have to look at, Okay,

581
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 2: what do they have and what is the potential path

582
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 2: to returning to the playoffs? How can they potentially learn

583
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 2: from the mistakes that they have in the past. They've

584
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 2: already taken a little bit of a different process in

585
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 2: keeping guys like Jamar and Tea, And yes, it costs

586
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 2: them more money than it should have, but they've kept

587
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 2: those guys. They've listened to Burrow, They've done a really

588
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 2: like the plan on paper makes a lot of sense

589
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 2: how they've tried to figure it out in the draft.

590
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 2: It just hasn't worked. So I look at it through

591
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 2: that lens of Okay, what are the indicators to what

592
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 2: the plan is and how is it possible? Where's the

593
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 2: path for them to get competitive again? And I see

594
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 2: it through that free agency, I see it through that

595
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 2: salary cap. I see it through a deep defensive draft

596
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 2: class coming up this year, and I think, Okay, that's

597
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 2: probably the best possible path. Now. Is it guaranteed to work.

598
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,719
Speaker 2: Absolutely not. We've seen them screw it up many times.

599
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 2: But I can't sit here and just pound the table

600
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 2: for people to get fired and it's not going to happen,

601
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 2: and without trying to look for solutions elsewhere, And I

602
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 2: don't care what happens in the rest of the AFC.

603
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 2: That shouldn't change your standard, right, Like you should still

604
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 2: be doing everything in your power to turn your team

605
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 2: into a contender, and you should, but are making your

606
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 2: team more formidable tons?

607
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 5: Right?

608
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 2: Sure, but that doesn't change the way you act like

609
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 2: you should be making your team one of those to

610
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 2: begin with. You know, Indianapolis, Kansas City be damned, Buffalo

611
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 2: be damned. You should be doing everything you can to

612
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 2: make yourself one of those teams.

613
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the at my core issue is last year

614
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 3: we saw history from Trey Hendrickson, Jamar Chase, and Joe Burrow,

615
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 3: and they had a ton of money, they had the

616
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 3: draft picks to address the defense, and we went from

617
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 3: one of the worst defense that we talked about in

618
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 3: the league last year to potentially one of the worst

619
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 3: in the history of the NFL. That to me, that

620
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 3: does not scream if there's not a change at GM,

621
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 3: if there's not a change at how they addressed the

622
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 3: process of identifying talent and developing it, How would one

623
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 3: lead to believe that they're just going to figure it

624
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 3: out when they've just failed to do that last year

625
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 3: when everyone said the offense is so good, just get

626
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 3: a middle of the pack defense, and they not only

627
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 3: failed to do that, they went in the complete opposite

628
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 3: direction with where this defense has been.

629
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 2: Well, I think my biggest excuse me argument to that

630
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 2: would be that we had that same feeling in twenty twenty.

631
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 2: They drafted a quarterback. He immediately got hurt. You're thinking, Okay,

632
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 2: they've screwed this guy up again. How can based off

633
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 2: what we've seen in the past. They actually turn this

634
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 2: around and they hit multiple times in free agency, they

635
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 2: did enough in the draft, and they were in the

636
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 2: super Bowl the next year. So I understand, you know

637
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 2: where everybody's coming from. Everyone wants to now use money

638
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 2: as an excuse. I don't think money is at where

639
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 2: at the point where money can be used as an excuse.

640
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 2: I and and how are we supposed to go about

641
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 2: being a Bengals fan or talking about this team if like,

642
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 2: they don't fire They're not going to fire the coach,

643
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 2: They're not going to fire the director, player personnel. So

644
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 2: what are we supposed to do? Just complain about that

645
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 2: all the time. No, but have to be re realistic

646
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 2: in expectations. Okay, so I can have a standard. A

647
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 2: standard can be different than the expectations. I mean, it's

648
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 2: it's when you call them out when they don't meet

649
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 2: the standard. And I think a lot of people did

650
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 2: this year. I don't think anybody felt like they did enough. Now.

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Speaker 2: I said multiple times I thought their run defense would

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately that hasn't worked out for me. But now I'm

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Speaker 2: looking at it saying, Okay, well, how do they fix this?

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Speaker 2: That's a hard question.

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Speaker 3: I mean we we've had conversations about a handful of

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Speaker 3: players that you would keep going forward. That's how depleted

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Speaker 3: this roster is and how much of an overhaul it

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Speaker 3: would need. I again, you go into every offseason, how

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Speaker 3: can you position yourself to win a championship? There are

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Speaker 3: just teams that have done it the right way and

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Speaker 3: we've not seen that since Joe Burrow has been paid

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Speaker 3: without I use the term equity a lot. There's not

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Speaker 3: a lot of equity in how this roster's been built.

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Speaker 3: It's the same way we talk I talk about the Reds.

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Speaker 3: I want the Reds to win a World Series. I

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Speaker 3: want the Reds to be competitive. That's the standard. They

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Speaker 3: have failed to meet that standard. But that doesn't mean

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Speaker 3: you go into an offseason and think can they You know,

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Speaker 3: I'm not going into the Reds offseason saying, well, can

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Speaker 3: they just be over five hundred next year? I want

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Speaker 3: to go into an off season and find a way

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Speaker 3: to field a team that can win the NL Central

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Speaker 3: and win a World Series, right, but it just feels

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Speaker 3: further away now than it has to me in recent

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Speaker 3: We'll get a break, we'll get back on track, and

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Speaker 3: The second half of the season is underway. Let's get

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Speaker 3: a couple NFL awards as we go as well. Joe

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Speaker 3: danimill join us one o'clock on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: Blind Lou.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for listening. On ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 3: Joe Daniman will join us at one o'clock your talkbacks

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Speaker 3: after that our three Scott Saderfield out of a bye

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Speaker 3: week speaking to members of the media. We'll hear it

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Speaker 3: will check in from Oakley Greens. We'll also spend some

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Speaker 3: time with college basketball in our number three as well.

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Speaker 3: To get back on schedule, we'll take a quick break

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Speaker 3: in just a moment when we come back Austin. Can

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Speaker 3: we give away some awards at a little over now

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Speaker 3: to the halfway port of the NFL season. Sure, let's

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Speaker 3: do some awards when we return. How we view some

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Speaker 5: Ten Green Bay thirty six for Philadelphia shotgun, snap fake,

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Speaker 2: It down down the middle of the field. It was

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Speaker 3: Thinking run, Eagles come with the play pass deep post

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Speaker 3: to Davonte Smith.

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Speaker 2: He's as good of a deep ball contested catch receiver

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Speaker 2: as there is. He leapt up for it like gazelle.

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Speaker 3: It was graceful and beautiful, a gazelle, graceful and beautiful.

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Speaker 2: It was a good throw.

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Speaker 3: It was a better catch from Davonte Smith. Eagles win

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Speaker 3: ten to seven Monday Night Football. That's our call today.

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Speaker 3: Let's give away some awards as we see them where

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Speaker 3: the nflc and since right now, Austin, let's start with

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Speaker 3: your MVP of the National Football League as.

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Speaker 2: Who Jonathan Taylor, Indianapolis Colts. I know it's you know,

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Speaker 2: this is what I think it should be, not what

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Speaker 2: I think what will happen. I'm sure a quarterback will

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Speaker 2: win the award. But Jonathan Taylor and what he has

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Speaker 2: brought to that Colts offense MVP to me.

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Speaker 3: He's been absolutely ridiculous. The statistics speed for themselves eleven

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Speaker 3: hundred and thirty nine yards. He's been a touchdown machine.

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Speaker 3: He has at times put Indy on his back, and

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Speaker 3: he's also doing that on a team that's winning football games.

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Speaker 3: I respect that so much. But because it is a

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Speaker 3: quarterback driven league, I am going to go with a

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Speaker 3: quarterback who's been around a long time, but he's playing

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Speaker 3: I think his best football. Four touchding touchdown passes in

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Speaker 3: each of his last three games, zero interceptions. He leads

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Speaker 3: the NFL in touchdowns by five. He's got twenty five.

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Speaker 3: The next closest is twenty. He's all only thrown two interceptions.

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Speaker 3: The touchdown to interception ratio for Matthew Stafford has been ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: I think he's playing the best football in his career,

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Speaker 3: and he's on a team right now that is also

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Speaker 3: winning and has his team set for a Super Bowl

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Speaker 3: contention season. I will give MVP to Matthew Stafford to

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Speaker 3: skip ahead my offensive Player of the Year, although Jackson

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Speaker 3: Smith and Jigba has been awesome. My offensive player that

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Speaker 3: he would be Jonathan Taylor for everything you just mentioned Austin.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Jackson Smith and Jigba is who I picked

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Speaker 2: for mine. Obviously leading the National Football League in receiving

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Speaker 2: yards already, he's got over two hundred more yards than

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Speaker 2: Jamar Chase does, which is kind of hard to believe.

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Speaker 2: He fits in perfectly with that offense. Clint Kubiak has

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Speaker 2: done a great job with Sam Darnold. I think Seattle

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Speaker 2: might be the best team in the NFC, as I

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Speaker 2: said earlier, and that defense, that environment, they'll continue to

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Speaker 2: win games. I think JSN will play a big part

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Speaker 2: of that. I think he wins Offensive Player of the Year.

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Speaker 2: Who's your defensive Player of the Year, Miles Garrett Again, yep,

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Speaker 2: it's hard that you just go back. You can make

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Speaker 2: the argument he's the best player in the National Football League.

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Speaker 3: It's I think it's even harder to do what he

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Speaker 3: does when he's on a terrible team, and that's his

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Speaker 3: choice to be on a terrible team, but to continue

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Speaker 3: to bring it week in and week out. Leads the

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Speaker 3: league in sacks, leads the league in tackles for losses,

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Speaker 3: he does everything. I think he's the most dominant player,

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Speaker 3: as you just mentioned in the sport.

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Speaker 2: I will say this about Miles though, really for the

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Speaker 2: entirety of his career, with the exception of maybe two seasons,

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Speaker 2: the Browns have had a good enough defense. There have

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Speaker 2: been players around him that certainly help. Now he's still

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Speaker 2: the focal point of any plan against a Cleveland defense,

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Speaker 2: but for years they've had good corners and good safeties

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Speaker 2: and that makes his job a little bit easier. But

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Speaker 2: I think the longevity and just the continual production from

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Speaker 2: him is incredibly impressive.

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Speaker 3: Offensive Rookie of the Year for me I actually said

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Speaker 3: this before the season. He was plus two thousand at

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Speaker 3: the time a Mecca Agbuka yep is the offensive Rookie

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Speaker 3: of the Year. He has thirty fifth in the NFL

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Speaker 3: in receptions, thirty fifth in the NFL in receptions He's

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Speaker 3: caught forty passes. The incredible thing about what he's been

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Speaker 3: able to do out of those forty catches, he's top

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Speaker 3: ten in yards and he's top ten in touchdown receptions.

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Speaker 3: He slides into an offense that has been without Mike

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Speaker 3: Evans and Chris Godwin, It's been without the running back

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Speaker 3: White for much of the season, and he has put

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Speaker 3: Tampa in a position as a rookie to pick up

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Speaker 3: right where they left off. They're going to continue to

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Speaker 3: continue to get healthy. I think Tampa's a legit contender,

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Speaker 3: and I think Agbuka has a lot to do with it.

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Speaker 3: He's my offensive rookie of the year.

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Speaker 2: Still can't believe there were four pass catchers taken ahead

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Speaker 2: of him in the draft, and that includes Travis Hunter.

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Speaker 5: Ye.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I got to watch a Mecca Buca every

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Speaker 2: single week pretty much of his college career, and I

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Speaker 2: knew this dude would show up and immediately have an

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Speaker 2: impact in the NFL. He fits perfectly into that offense

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Speaker 2: and obviously gets to learn from a couple of the

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Speaker 2: greats and Chris Godwin and Mike Evans, but you know

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Speaker 2: his ability to produce, and they've built so much of

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Speaker 2: that offense around him, no doubt, a mecca. Who is

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Speaker 2: your defensive rookie of the year right now? I'm big

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Speaker 2: on the Seahawks, so I'm gonna stick with the Seahawks.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna say nick Emon Worri safety out of South Carolina,

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Speaker 2: a guy that we talked about a little bit leading

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Speaker 2: up to the draft. When it comes to the Bengals

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Speaker 2: as a potential pick for them, He's been wonderful. If

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Speaker 2: Seattle's defense continues to play the way that it has,

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Speaker 2: he'll certainly be in that conversation as the rookie of

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Speaker 2: the year.

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Speaker 3: I'll keep the theme on players we talked about leading

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Speaker 3: up to the draft. He's forced to fumbles in a pass,

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Speaker 3: a couple of tackles for a loss, third on his

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Speaker 3: team in tackles, and he's playing for the defending He's

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Speaker 3: playing for a team in Philadelphia who is putting themselves

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Speaker 3: right back into the position to win another Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: And I look at jihat Campbell, I look at how

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Speaker 3: much we talked about him going in and to slide

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Speaker 3: in on a defense that has so much leadership. Zach

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Speaker 3: Bond Cooper, de Jen Reid Blankenship opposite him at safety,

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Speaker 3: the big guys in the middle. I'm so impressed. I

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Speaker 3: thought he was great last night and getting a chance

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Speaker 3: to watch him in a standalone game, I think g

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Speaker 3: Hot Campbell has a legitimate argument when all this sudden

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Speaker 3: done the season, to be the defensive rookie of the year.

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Speaker 2: Two more, who's your comeback player of the year? Oh gosh,

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Speaker 2: I didn't think about this. I'll give you my there

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Speaker 2: you go. Yeah, I'm gonna go. Christian McCaffrey.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Christian McCaffrey is blowing away statistic numbers even for him,

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Speaker 3: and he's just going to be relied on more and

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Speaker 3: more down the stretch of this season. Christian McCaffrey's might

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Speaker 3: comeback player of the year. Who's your coach of the year,

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Speaker 3: Mike Rabel. Yeah, there's a lot of good ones on

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Speaker 3: this list. Shane Steiking can be up there. McDonald with

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00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 3: the Seahawks can be up there. But to me, it's

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Speaker 3: the culture in which Mike Rabel has created so quickly

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Speaker 3: in New England that just the guys play hard for him,

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Speaker 3: they play so well for him. I am going to

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Speaker 3: I'm with you. We're in agreement, Mike Vrabel, right, now

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Speaker 3: the Coach of the Year. That's our awards. As we

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Speaker 3: get into the second half of the NFL season, Joe

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Speaker 3: Daneman stands by from Fox nineteen. He joins us next

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Speaker 3: on the Home of the Bengals ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.

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Speaker 6: improved iHeartRadio ad Free never sounded so good, ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: Hey, it's Maagger.

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Speaker 3: The Leaf to Ash Cigar Lounge is a must visit

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Speaker 3: for any cigar smoker.

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Speaker 2: There's selections massive, the staff is great, and there's no

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Speaker 2: better place to relax with friends to enjoy a great cigar.

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Speaker 3: Leaf to Ash is a byob establishment, and they've got

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Speaker 3: VIP memberships that allow for twenty four to seven access,

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Speaker 3: which includes lockers, TVs, a poker table, and so much more.

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Speaker 2: On Salem Road, close to the legendary code