1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Constance New Radio. 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 2: Thanks Al Grippin working on a Friday night, Good for you, Well, 3 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 2: thanks very much. We're all working here on a Friday night, 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 2: except those of you who are home listening. All right, 5 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 2: So I wanted for the first time tonight at ten 6 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 2: o'clock talk about what's going on in Venezuela, or what 7 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 2: is going on towards Venezuela. It is clear to me 8 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 2: that the Trump administration has its eyes on Venezuela. They 9 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 2: have now I believe, eliminated five speed boats that the 10 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 2: Trump Administration says we're carrying drugs from Venezuela headed toward 11 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 2: the United States. I think most of you have seen 12 00:00:56,080 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 2: these boats literally blown out of the water. It's as simple. 13 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 2: There they are one second and two seconds later there's 14 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 2: a flash and they're gone. I would not have ever 15 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 2: wanted to have been on any of those boats. I 16 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 2: don't know that the people or on those boats were 17 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:22,919 Speaker 2: given any warning, but they were disposed of pretty quickly. 18 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 2: Now the Trump administration is saying, hey, look, these boats 19 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 2: are bringing killer drugs into the United States, which are 20 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 2: killing US citizens. The fact of the matter is that 21 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 2: no US citizen is forced to take these drugs, but 22 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 2: they like the drugs, or they DrAk they take drugs 23 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 2: which are somehow laced with or intermixed with these. But 24 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 2: this is a problem. I think. I read this week 25 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 2: that the death rate of people between the ages of 26 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 2: twenty and forty the highest, which is understandable. I guess 27 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 2: it's not cancer, it's not heart disease, not kidney disease 28 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 2: or whatever diseases take people's lives, but it's drug drug use, 29 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 2: drug drug abuse. So here we have Venezuela, Uh, relatively close. 30 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 2: Cuba is between us if you're looking at a map, 31 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 2: as is Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico's pretty close to Venezuela. 32 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 2: And all of a sudden, the Trump administration has decided 33 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 2: to step up the pressure on Maduro. Now, the Trump 34 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 2: administration believes that Meduro has been re elected fraudulently and 35 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 2: that he's claiming that he won the election and did 36 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 2: not give up power. 37 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 3: Uh. 38 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 2: The woman who is leading the opposition to Meduro won 39 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 2: the Nobel Peace Prize this year, and she gave all 40 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 2: the credit in the world, or gave all the credit 41 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 2: to Donald Trump. However, if you've been following the news, 42 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 2: and I'm doing nothing more than following the news. We 43 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 2: have about ten thousand troops according to the New York Times, 44 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 2: and dozens of military aircraft and ships in the region. 45 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 2: As the Trump administration increases pressure on Venezuela. Now this 46 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 2: might be a show of power. They have placed a 47 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 2: think it's a fifty million dollar reward on Meduro's head. Now, 48 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 2: I don't know how you can get Maduro, get him 49 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 2: out of the country and pick up the reward. I 50 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:31,119 Speaker 2: think that would be a suicide mission. But nonetheless, that's 51 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 2: a significant incentive for someone to perhaps put their own 52 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 2: life at risk. But at this point, you have all 53 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 2: sorts of military assets in position where we could strike Venezuela. 54 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 2: It reminds me of what was going on in Panama 55 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 2: in late nineteen eighty nine and early nineteen eighty nine 56 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 2: with the Bush administration, the Bush one administration. Now, Panama 57 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 2: was never the military power that Venezuela is, although obviously 58 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 2: it's not a match for the United States. But President 59 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 2: Trump has said, hey, if you're a drug boat, or 60 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 2: what we perceive to be a drug boat in open 61 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 2: international waters, your fair game. And five of them now 62 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 2: have been blown out of the water. Now you have 63 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:30,679 Speaker 2: again if you read the New York Times today. Actually, 64 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 2: this might actually be in the Times tomorrow now that 65 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 2: I think about it. There's a really interesting map which 66 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 2: shows where our military assets are located. The Trump administration 67 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 2: is not hiding anything. We're talking about stealth fighters, we're 68 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 2: talking about surveillance aircraft. We're talking about reaper drones, replenishment ships, 69 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 2: three guided missile destroyers, an Ebojima amphibious ready group. I 70 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 2: don't know that you move everybody down there unless you 71 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 2: really are prepared to do something. Special Forces ships and 72 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 2: guided missile cruise has seen earlier yesterday, I guess October sixteenth. Now, 73 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 2: if I'm Miduro from my perch, I'm thinking to myself, oh, 74 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 2: this could be a problem if we landed Special Forces 75 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 2: in Pennsylvany, in Venezuela. I think that it would not 76 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 2: take us long if we wanted to capture Meduro as 77 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 2: we did with Noriega. I don't think it would take 78 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 2: a lot. It might. I don't know that how strong 79 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 2: their military is. But the question is, I think for you, 80 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,919 Speaker 2: is this what Donald Trump should be doing? Is this 81 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,919 Speaker 2: what the United States should be doing? Apparently yesterday, the 82 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 2: President confirmed that there were CIA operations ongoing in Venezuela. 83 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 2: It's almost as if President Trump has decided to reinstitute 84 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 2: the Monroe doctrine, not that the Monroe doctrine ever left. 85 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:12,479 Speaker 2: There's Chinese military personnel who are in Venezuela. So this 86 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 2: is not the same risk as in terms of the 87 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 2: seriousness of the decision as giving Tomahawk missiles to Ukraine, 88 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 2: which would be used against Russia. But this is a 89 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 2: pretty serious step to consider. Now. I'm sure that, knowing 90 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 2: Donald Trump's pattern in behavior, that he is hoping that 91 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 2: something will occur internally which will not necessitate US military involvement. However, 92 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 2: Mindoro is that is an iron fisted He's more than 93 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 2: an authoritarian. He's a Fidel Castro, wanna be. I don't 94 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 2: think that he's going to go quietly into that good night, 95 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 2: which then leaves open the question of what if some 96 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 2: morning you woke up and you found out that US 97 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 2: special forces had landed in Venezuela with the intent or 98 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 2: had already achieved the capture of Nicholas Maduro. I think 99 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 2: the country, that certainly the Trump base, would love it, 100 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 2: and I think that those who will be marching tomorrow 101 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 2: in the No King's rallies around the country would be 102 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 2: appalled by it. But it appears to me that Donald 103 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 2: Trump is going to try to make the most of 104 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 2: his second term. I would say his final four years 105 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 2: in office, because it will be his final four years 106 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 2: in office, despite what some one the left might tell you. 107 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 2: So I'm going to open up phone lines. What advice 108 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 2: would you give President Trump right now? Stay where he 109 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 2: is and let how long do you wait? You can't 110 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 2: leave the military out there forever, no doubt. Six one 111 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 2: seven ten thirty, six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. 112 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 2: We've never talked about this before your first impression. I 113 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 2: would like you to make a call join the conversation 114 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 2: six one seven, two five four ten thirty or six 115 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 2: one seven, nine three one ten thirty. What advice would 116 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 2: you give President Donald Trump regarding Venezuela? Have we gone 117 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 2: too far already or do you need to encourage him 118 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 2: to finish the job and take Madura out because they 119 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 2: think ultimately that's where we're headed. In My opinion is 120 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 2: this is this, uh, the Noriega situation number two, That's 121 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 2: kind of what I'm thinking. I'm looking at it as 122 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 2: a tougher, tougher capture, but one that is eminently achievable. 123 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 2: We'll be back on night Side. 124 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's 125 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 1: news radio. 126 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 2: All right, I think I think it's an interesting question. 127 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 2: I hope you do as well. The other thought that 128 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 2: I had on this is how if let us say, 129 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 2: President Trump decided to go into Venezuela and take Maduro 130 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 2: out as Bush forty one went in and took Noriega out. 131 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 2: Remember back in the day they had to play music 132 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 2: or to get him out. Forget what group they were playing, 133 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 2: but it was something that reportally Noriega didn't like. It 134 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 2: could cut both ways in terms of Ukraine. Putin could 135 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 2: say to Trump, well, you know you're messing with Venezuela 136 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 2: because that's in your sphere of influence, and we're dealing 137 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 2: with Ukraine, which is next to us, so you have 138 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 2: no right to tell us what to do or what 139 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 2: not to do. We're not going to tell you what 140 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 2: to do. Or conversely, Putin could look at it and say, hey, 141 00:09:55,080 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 2: if this guy is brave enough was thinking of another 142 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 2: word that began with the letter B, but brave enough 143 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 2: to send US military to Venezuela. Oh, maybe we have 144 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 2: to take his threat about Tomahawk missiles more seriously. I 145 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 2: don't know. I want to know what you have to 146 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 2: say on this one. Six one. Let me see what 147 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 2: Dott says. She likes Trump, but she's she I'm not 148 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 2: sure I know what you're going to say in this one. Hey, Dot, 149 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 2: Welcome to Nightside. 150 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,599 Speaker 4: Hi Dan, Dan. You know I voted for Trump for 151 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:33,559 Speaker 4: the last three elections because I couldn't vote for the opposition. 152 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 4: But I am appalled. I'm appalled that we're blowing boats 153 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 4: out of the water. We don't know that they're carrying drugs. 154 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 4: How do we know that? 155 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 2: Well, let me tell you what they say. I can 156 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 2: only tell you what they say, Okay. What they say 157 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 2: is these are high powered speedboats and that that is 158 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 2: the craft that the drug cartels would prefer to use. 159 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 2: And the reason is, apparently, when they get close to 160 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 2: the US, according to what I heard from the Trump administration, 161 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 2: that their speedboats are faster than our coastguard cutters. And therefore, 162 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 2: once they see a speedboat leaving Venezuela heading towards the US, 163 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 2: that's that is enough probable cause for them to do this. 164 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 4: But do you think it's right. 165 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 2: I don't have the information that they have. Okay, if 166 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 2: I was convinced, Okay, I will tell you, if I 167 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 2: was convinced, as the president of the United States, that 168 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:50,439 Speaker 2: that speedboat that had left Venezuela, they might they obviously, 169 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 2: I assume have some sources on the ground here. They 170 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 2: must have people inside Venezuela who they can rely upon, so. 171 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 4: If they live, the CIA is there. 172 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 2: But but they also may have sources within the cartels. 173 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 2: I mean, money buys information. So let's assume that they 174 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 2: have information that that boat that left Caracas uh and 175 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 2: is headed wherever it is in international waters is full 176 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 2: of fentanyl or whatever other killer drug Americans would would 177 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 2: use and in effect would kill themselves. Would I order 178 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 2: the destruction of that boat? Yes, I would, if you knew, Yeah, yeah, 179 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 2: I would have it to have. I don't know that. 180 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 2: I don't know the answer to just well, let me 181 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 2: ask let me ask you this question. The principle. Here's 182 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 2: the principle. Does Venezuela have the right to export deadly drugs? 183 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 2: I mean, this fentanyl stuff is nothing to mess around 184 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 2: with at all. Okay, none of it is stuff you 185 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 2: should mess around with even marijuana, because marijuana today is 186 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 2: much more powerful than it was thirty or forty years ago. 187 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 2: And marijuana today to make it more powerful, I'm told, 188 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 2: and I'm not an expert in marijuana, they lace it 189 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 2: with ventanyl. 190 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 4: I've heard that too. 191 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 2: Okay, So if you knew that the car that the cartels, 192 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 2: the drug cartels or whomever, or worse yet, the government 193 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 2: of Venezuela was deciding that they were going to make 194 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 2: money on the backs of dead American kids, what wouldn't 195 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 2: you do? 196 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 4: Well, the thing is that we don't as sorry as 197 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,959 Speaker 4: I'm concerned. We don't know. How can we blow six 198 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 4: boats out of the water. 199 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 5: I mean, they couldn't have. 200 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. Let me ask you this, how 201 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:53,439 Speaker 2: many people in Venezuela, which is a poor country. I 202 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 2: don't know what these boats cost, but these are high 203 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:59,839 Speaker 2: powered speed boats. Okay, how many people in Venezuela do 204 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 2: you think are taking their speedboats out like on a 205 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 2: Wednesday morning for a little cruise. I mean I gotta assume. 206 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 2: I mean I think you can. I think information can 207 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 2: be gathered. I'm willing to believe the administration. I don't 208 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 2: think you're going to be able to have a trial. 209 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 2: You're not going to be able to arrest these guys 210 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 2: and bring them here. 211 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 4: In the meantime, they're talking about sending our boys into Venezuela. 212 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 2: I don't think they would be sent into Venezuela. I 213 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 2: don't think there's a need for that. You might have 214 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 2: some special forces that are utilized than in Venezuela, but. 215 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 4: I meant, as of course they are. 216 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 2: But that's what they that's what they volunteered for, that's 217 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 2: what they get paid for, that's what they're trained for. 218 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 2: DoD I mean, that's what they I said. I hate 219 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 2: to put it like that, but that's what the military does. 220 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 2: If if, if, all of a sudden, we find out 221 00:14:56,080 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 2: that China is getting a footprint, a toe holder, whatever 222 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 2: you want to call it, a presence in certain countries, 223 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 2: and this guy, Madero, Madero Maduro, I should say, has 224 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 2: been basically his stolen election. We had the Monroe Document, 225 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 2: a doctrine you and I learned about that when. 226 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 5: We were in high school, right right, right? 227 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 2: What did the Monroe Document doctrines say that this was 228 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 2: our hemisphere, don't mess in our hemisphere. 229 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 4: Well, I just think, okay, I just think it's I 230 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 4: don't like the whole I wouldn't have been as surprised 231 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 4: if they had gone into Greenland. I would have been 232 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 4: less surprised. 233 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 2: I think the Greenland was him trolling. I really do. 234 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 2: First of all, Greenland is owned by Denmark, which is right, 235 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 2: I know the naval ally. I mean, I think you 236 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 2: got to look at it. For example, the other day 237 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 2: he was trolling about how he wasn't going to allow 238 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 2: the World Cup to be played in Boston. Well, the 239 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 2: World Cup isn't going to be played in Boston. It's 240 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 2: not being played at Harvard Stadium. Is not being played? 241 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 2: Let is he? First of all, he that probably doesn't 242 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 2: know where to let state hem is? Maybe he does. 243 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 2: He's a he's a sports fan. 244 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 4: Well, the owner is a friend of his. 245 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 2: Right is he going to take the World Cup away 246 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 2: from Bob Craft? 247 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 6: I don't think something. 248 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 2: No, No, I got you down. It's just too okay. 249 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 2: I got you down as as a real skeptic here 250 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 2: and and I'm very skeptical. All right, thanks do let others. 251 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 4: Have to say you, thanks, dot appreciate it. 252 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 2: All right, Let me try to get one more in 253 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 2: here before the break. Alex and millis. What do you think, Alex, 254 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 2: do you think the president would be doing the right 255 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 2: thing here or I mean he's certainly running a whole 256 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 2: bunch of military equipment past the country of Venezuela. 257 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 3: I don't know. I think it's a make believe armed conflict. 258 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 3: That's what a lot of people, you know, think it's. 259 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 2: Called what I'm sorry, what did you phrase it as? 260 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 3: I'll make believe armed conflicts? Some you know, I've heard 261 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 3: that mentioned that they're just looking for an excuse. We 262 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 3: we don't know if those boats are carrying drugs, but 263 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 3: you know, if you're given the best. 264 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:13,679 Speaker 2: How do you know? Let me ask you this, Alex, 265 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 2: how do you know we don't know? 266 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 3: Well, how do we know that they are carrying drugs? 267 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 2: Well, there's a number of ways we can know they're 268 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:26,959 Speaker 2: carrying drugs. First of all, they have very high powered speedboats. Okay, 269 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 2: that is that is what drug cartels will use. Okay, 270 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 2: the Venezuelan population they don't have. They don't own personally 271 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 2: a lot of speedboats unless they have drug cartel. I 272 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 2: assume there's some information on the ground. I assume that 273 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 2: those speedboats when they leave, there's there's some rumors as 274 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 2: to as to where where they're headed and what they're carrying. 275 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 3: So, yeah, and Dan just recently they I guess they caught. 276 00:17:55,920 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 3: They are apprehended to to saviar versus the submarines. And 277 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 3: like Trump said, you know, not too many people you 278 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 3: know own submarines. 279 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was amazing. I saw that tonight on ABC 280 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 2: News and I want to get more information on that. 281 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 2: It looked as if we had some Navy seals pulling 282 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 2: them out of the submarine. Right, yeah, turn your radio 283 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 2: down there, Alex. You're a veteran caller. I can hear 284 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 2: the radio in the background. That doesn't help our conversation. 285 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I apologize. 286 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 2: Oh no, that was me. That wasn't the TV. That 287 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 2: was me. That that was my voice. I heard what 288 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 2: I said. So I don't So if you knew, if 289 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 2: you were the president, and you had information that you 290 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 2: that you thought was reliable, would would you allow these 291 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 2: these boats to proceed to the US. Apparently our coast 292 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 2: Guard counters con't catch them because they're that quick. 293 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I'd go to town on them, for sure, Okay 294 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 3: percent sure. What about what about you know Mexico? Uh, 295 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 3: you know, we have issues with Mexico too, But I 296 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 3: don't see us blowing any you know. Actually, the they're 297 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 3: conducting drones. I guess they're sending drones over the cartels. 298 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, again, you know, I don't know as much 299 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:19,959 Speaker 2: about that. I mean, I just don't know, to be 300 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 2: honest with you. But if they're sending drones over, what 301 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 2: are they sending them? Are they sending drones over with 302 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 2: with packages and drugs? Are they sending drones over to 303 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 2: see where our border agents are? I don't know the 304 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 2: answer to that. I do know this that we know 305 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 2: that there are places in Mexico physical locations where they 306 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 2: put this stuff together. They get the ingredients from China, uh, 307 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 2: and they do whatever they have to do to put 308 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,679 Speaker 2: it into form which can be sold. I would be 309 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 2: tempted to go to the president of Mexico and I 310 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 2: would be tempted to say to the President of Mexico, Look, 311 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 2: if you can take these these locations out, great, if 312 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 2: not asked me for the help, and I would do 313 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 2: it for you. 314 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 3: Right. Are we getting spread too? Thing? Dan? Do you 315 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,400 Speaker 3: think you know? Uh, we're all over the all over 316 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 3: the globe, we are all over. We are trying to 317 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 3: trying to take care of problems. 318 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,360 Speaker 2: But I don't I don't think that. I don't think 319 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 2: Trump is looking I think that Trump is a businessman, 320 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,199 Speaker 2: and he looks at it almost as he looks at 321 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 2: a business prop proposition is it, does it work for him? 322 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 2: I don't think he's going to send five hundred thousand 323 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:34,159 Speaker 2: troops as Lyndon Johnson did to Vietnam to fight a 324 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 2: ground war. I think we learned that lesson. We probably 325 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 2: should have learned that lesson in Korea, but we certainly 326 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 2: learned it in uh In. In Vietnam. We learned some 327 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 2: lessons from Iraq and Afghanistan. I mean, if you can 328 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 2: go in with a quick strike force and take Maduro 329 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 2: out uh and and and basically give people of Venezuela freedom, 330 00:20:57,880 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 2: that's not a bad thing for them, and it's certainly 331 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 2: not a bad for us. 332 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I guess Trump. Trump had said that, you know, 333 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 3: he's interested in taking care of the United States and 334 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 3: the people of the United States and not to worry 335 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 3: about the rest of the world. 336 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 2: Right, But if you have people from Venezuela with cigarette boats, 337 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:21,199 Speaker 2: you know, very fast speed boats bringing fentanyl into the 338 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 2: United States, you can't sit by and ignore that, because 339 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 2: that's every every load of fentanyel that comes in, every 340 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 2: boatload of fentanel that comes in, is going to kill 341 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 2: a significant number of American people. 342 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 3: I think, oh yeah, true, I agree with that. 343 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 2: So you get a balance. Alex. Love your calls, man, 344 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 2: I love you making me think, which is what we 345 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 2: try to do here on night side. Okay, thank you, 346 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 2: my friend. 347 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 3: All right, guy, thanks San, have a great weekend. 348 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 2: Let us keep rolling here. We're going to go to 349 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 2: the news at the bottom of the arm a couple 350 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 2: of minutes later. I apologize for that. Actually have three 351 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 2: minutes late. Here's the news. When we come back, we 352 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,919 Speaker 2: will continue to talk. Is Venezuela next on Donald Trump's 353 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 2: hit list? And how will end? And what will be 354 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 2: the implications of whatever he does? Six one, seven, two, five, 355 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 2: four ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty. 356 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 2: I got a couple of lines available, let's open, let's 357 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 2: fill them up, and we're going I'm beginning to think 358 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 2: figure out what we're going to do in the twentieth hour, okay, 359 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 2: and I'm going to try something different, but I won't 360 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,239 Speaker 2: tell you about it until we get to the twentieth hour, 361 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 2: which of course is the eleven o'clock hour tonight. Back 362 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 2: on Night Side. My name is Dan Ray. 363 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray, Boston's News Radio. 364 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 2: Let's keep rolling here. We're talking about the possibility that 365 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 2: Donald Trump may decide to take action against the President 366 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 2: of Venezuela, Nicholas Maduro, and which up to and including 367 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 2: US troops. Again is there's a precedent for this, and 368 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 2: that is the Norreaga Noriaga uh situation in Panama in 369 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 2: the night ninety Some of you may not remember that. 370 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 2: That's thirty five years ago, but Noriago was basically captured 371 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 2: by US troops, brought back to Miami, Florida, and he 372 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 2: was tried and convicted in federal court. And I don't 373 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 2: even know if Noreaga is Noriega is still alive here. 374 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 2: Let me see if if I can figure that one out. 375 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 2: I should have done that during the break. Alive or dead, 376 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 2: We'll see what. We'll see what happens in the meantime. 377 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 2: He's deceased. He died in twenty seventeen. So he was 378 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 2: diagnosed with a brain tourmor in March at twenty seventeen, 379 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 2: suffered complications during surgery, died two months later. That's the 380 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 2: story of Manuel Noriega died at eighty three. Yeah, long gone. 381 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 2: He had been a CIA informant, and then he became 382 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 2: the target of the first Trump administration. Decades in jail. 383 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 2: He was first imprisoned in Florida, then in France, and 384 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 2: finally home in Panama. Yeah, that's that is that happened before. 385 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 2: So there's a president Ron is in Medford. Hey, Ron, 386 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 2: welcome next on Nightside. 387 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 7: Hi Dan, how are you? 388 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,719 Speaker 2: I'm doing great? What's your thought on this? I know 389 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 2: it's kind of a case of first impression that I'm 390 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 2: thrown at people tonight, but I'd be really interested in 391 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 2: what you think. 392 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 7: Well, thank you. First of all, I appreciate the way 393 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 7: you handle all the calls and all the different opinions, 394 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 7: and the way you're so even handed about it. 395 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 2: Thank you. 396 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 7: Well, you've done it for years. That's why I try 397 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 7: to listen to you every night. I would like to 398 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 7: I would like to draw one thing or send something out. Sure, 399 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 7: And I've found over the years, if you give an 400 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 7: example that doesn't really involve what it is, maybe it 401 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 7: gives people something to think about. Let's say that you 402 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 7: had children and one of the people on your block 403 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 7: was doing something and it was going to kill your children. 404 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 7: He was feeding them some poison and was going to 405 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 7: kill your children. Is there anything that you wouldn't do 406 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 7: to stop that? 407 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, of course, of course not. Of course you're 408 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 2: absolutely correct on that. At the same time, when you 409 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,640 Speaker 2: take that example, you would go to the local police department. 410 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 2: You wouldn't go down the street and shoot the kid 411 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,719 Speaker 2: and kill them. You'd go to the local police department 412 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 2: and say, hey, can you get this kid arrested, and 413 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 2: you do everything you could to keep your child away. 414 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 2: I don't think you would physically go down the street 415 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 2: and engage in what's called self help. But I know 416 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 2: the points you're making. 417 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 7: Well, the point I'm making is, well, whether you of 418 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 7: course you wouldn't do that right away, but eventually you 419 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 7: might do that after police and do anything. But that's 420 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:44,199 Speaker 7: beside the point. The point is that tens of thousands 421 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 7: of American kids have been dying because of sense and 422 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 7: all being brought in. Absolutely absolutely, And what bothers me 423 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 7: is that it's taken this long for presidents to actually 424 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 7: act on this. You know, I don't don't want to 425 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 7: have nation building, and I don't want to go on 426 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 7: there and change anything, but we should be taking out 427 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 7: these drug hotels, that we should be doing something. Whatever 428 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 7: it is that the army can do or whatever. It's 429 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 7: certainly above my pay grade. But to let this go 430 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 7: on for years is an embarrassment and we should be 431 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 7: ashamed of ourselves. So what Donald Trump is doing. And 432 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 7: in spite of the woman who called before and didn't know, 433 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 7: you know, do we know that that the drugs are 434 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,880 Speaker 7: on those boats? Well, this last one was a submarine. 435 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 7: I mean, for God's sakes, come on, Yeah, you know, 436 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 7: I grew up and I grew up in Metrid and 437 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 7: we were able to think a little bit beyond the 438 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 7: outside the box. 439 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. Not too many average Venza Whelans taking their family 440 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 2: out for a submarine ride on their family submarine on 441 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 2: this Saturday afternoon, you know what I'm saying. 442 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 7: Yeah, And then that's that point. So I commend the 443 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,479 Speaker 7: President for what he's doing and to do anything to 444 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 7: stop this, because I think too many young Americans have 445 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,439 Speaker 7: died because of all the fentan al coming in and 446 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 7: some of the other things going on, and it's a 447 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 7: shame that has taken this long for a president to 448 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 7: actually do something about it, so I commend him to 449 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 7: do And by the. 450 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 2: Way, I would agree with you that what he's doing here, uh, 451 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 2: he's not dealing with a sledgehammer. It's not like he's 452 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 2: saying we're going to drop a nuclear bomb on Caracas, 453 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 2: you know, where he's dealing with a scalpel. He's being deliberative. 454 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 2: I hope that they have developed, uh, the adequate information 455 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 2: and that now if there are people who are who 456 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 2: are being hired at the at the dock in Pennsylvania 457 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 2: or rather I keep saying Pennsylvania, Venezuela in Venezuela. Uh, 458 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 2: and and they don't and they're innocent, I feel badly 459 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 2: for them. But but again, there aren't a lot of speedboats. 460 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 2: These are these cigarette speedboats that can go so fast. 461 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you take a chance and you pay a price. 462 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 7: The only reason they have those boats, I mean they 463 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 7: have three or four engines that have three or four 464 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 7: hundred horsepower each. They're made to and if you know 465 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 7: anything about you know, the southern pot of Florida, this 466 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 7: is where they come in fast. They do it and 467 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 7: they get out and you're right. The coast Guard can't 468 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 7: catch them through the boats, but they've been able to 469 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 7: do it with drones or whatever or stuff from the air, 470 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 7: and more power to them. We should be doing more 471 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 7: of this. 472 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the cigarette boat may be able to 473 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 2: outrun a Coast Guard cutter, but it's not going to 474 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 2: be able to outrun a missile that's fired from a 475 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 2: simple as All right, Hey Ron, thanks very much, appreciate 476 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 2: your call. Thank you for joining us, and please call 477 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 2: more often. Have a great night. Let me go to 478 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 2: Dave in New Hampshire. I'm not sure if this is 479 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 2: the Dave I know, but if it is, I know 480 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 2: where he's going to be coming from. Hey, Dave, how 481 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 2: are you well? 482 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 8: Thank you Dan a long time listen to first time caller. 483 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 2: This is not the date I know that. Welcome Dave, 484 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 2: just a different day. Go right ahead, Thank you. 485 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 8: You're welcome. I was a police officer for twenty five 486 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 8: years and ten of it, if not more, I was 487 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 8: in a drug task force and I was assigned fortunately 488 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 8: to dea as in the Ocean Unit of the United 489 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 8: States Attorney's Office. Thank you, And I'm going to say 490 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 8: I'm not doing a John Bolton here talking out of 491 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 8: classified information. But that is all real. The speedboats, the submarines, everything, 492 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 8: they have real good intelligence. It wouldn't surprise me. The 493 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 8: CIA is already in there, working with the DEA and 494 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 8: other government agencies, and they have information. Some of them 495 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 8: may be undercover agents themselves that are passing this information on. 496 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 2: Oh sure, I'm sure, And Dave, I don't mean to 497 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 2: interrupt you, but I'm sure that when our CIA agents 498 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 2: go in there, they go in there with a bag 499 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 2: full of American cash, and you can you can loosen 500 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 2: up a lot of lips in a country like Venezuela, 501 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 2: even higher up than anybody could imagine, by giving him 502 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 2: some pictures of dead American presidents. 503 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 8: Well, you're correct, But also what happened recently, people should 504 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 8: pay attention to Chicago because the Mexican cartel has put 505 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 8: out hits on ICE agents and given pictures, and they're 506 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 8: given two thousand dollars rewards for the murder of these 507 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 8: agents doing their jobs. That's why they wear masks. 508 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I think that the two thousand dollars award 509 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 2: rewards for like assaulting an agent, it got up to 510 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 2: like fifty thousand, or to murder an agent. I don't 511 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 2: even imagine unless you kidnapped an agent, how you could 512 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 2: how you're going to recover. I mean, first of all, 513 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 2: hopefully no one is going to take that offer seriously. 514 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 2: But even if somebody is that nuts that they're going 515 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 2: to take that office seriously. And there we have found 516 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,959 Speaker 2: out in recent months that there are some really nutty 517 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 2: people out there, whether it's the guy that tried to 518 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 2: light the governor of Pennsylvania's home on fire, the Gubnatrobl mansion, 519 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 2: or the guy who was down there who I still 520 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 2: want to know more about, the guy that was hiding 521 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 2: along the fairway with a high powered rifle and was 522 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 2: eventually caught, tried, and convicted of an attempted assassination on 523 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 2: Don Trump. That dude traveled the world, travel the world, Ukraine, 524 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 2: Hawaii with no apparent financial position or job or obligation. 525 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 2: I don't think he wanted in the lottery. But I'm 526 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 2: with you. Go ahead, you I'm talking too much, Dave. 527 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 2: I want to hear what you have. 528 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 8: No, No, you know, no, you're not Dan. And incidentally, 529 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 8: I agree with the prior call of Warren. You do 530 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 8: have an even handed discussion, which is very nice because 531 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 8: even if you disagree with with a call. It's respectful 532 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 8: and that that makes you show much better than other 533 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 8: shows that you see on TV or you listen to 534 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 8: on the radio podcast. 535 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 2: I have I have, I must admit occasionally I can 536 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 2: lose it with the best of them. I had a 537 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 2: rough call with a caller last night. Don't have to 538 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 2: mention your name, but she sent me a lovely email today, 539 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 2: a long, long email, and I'm going to respond to that. 540 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 2: So she was kind enough to put her thoughts on 541 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 2: paper even though we had a pretty. 542 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 8: Condensed, he constructive, respectful conversation. There's nothing wrong on that, 543 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 8: got it? And I know your brother was on Your 544 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 8: brother was on the. 545 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 2: Job, Yes he was, sir. 546 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 8: So you come from a police family. But let me 547 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 8: just say this, they're very, very smart. They're crafty. They'll 548 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 8: send the cocktail now with the hits out. This means 549 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 8: that this is all affecting the drug supply. Now. I've 550 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 8: spoken to some friends that are still on the job 551 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 8: and ask them what's the supply like. And the supply 552 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 8: is tightening up. Something is working, Something is working. Those speedboats. Incidentally, 553 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 8: those speedboats are loaded with cocaine. The homemade submarines are 554 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 8: government submarines. 555 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 6: Who knows. 556 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 8: I'd like to know more about that particular submarine. I 557 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 8: know when they were coming out of our Columbia. They 558 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 8: were homemade, they were small, and they were not effective. 559 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 8: They had a surface too much. But submarines have were 560 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 8: going on a long time and they what they do 561 00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 8: is they drop they drop a load somewhere with a 562 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 8: GPS marker and they can have it rise up from 563 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:11,439 Speaker 8: wherever it is the depth of the ocean. There's all 564 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 8: sorts of tricks. They won't stop because the demand is there, 565 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:22,759 Speaker 8: the hunger is there. I really think, I really congratulate 566 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 8: President Trump. You have to give him credit. He's going 567 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 8: right after the source of the trouble. We've tried everything, 568 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 8: everything under the sun, and nothing has worked. We have 569 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,319 Speaker 8: to admit that to ourselves. So if Venezuela now and 570 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 8: I'm not privy to any new information like I used to, 571 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 8: but if Venezuela is the problem and they won't cooperate, 572 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 8: well I'm behind the president of one thousand percent to 573 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 8: do whatever he needs to do. So you can mark 574 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,879 Speaker 8: me down totally in fair US one, Dave. 575 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 2: I so enjoyed our conversation. Again, thank you for your career, 576 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 2: what you've done, and please please continue to call this program. Okay, 577 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 2: thank you so much. 578 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 8: Dan, I will thank you for having me. 579 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 2: You bet you? All right, we take a very quick break. 580 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,840 Speaker 2: I got Dan and Lester and Norman Worcester will be 581 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 2: right back on Nightside. 582 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 1: It's Nightside with Ray on Boston's news radio. 583 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 2: We've got a lot of calls. We're going to try 584 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 2: to get to everybody. Let me go to Daniel and 585 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,799 Speaker 2: Leicester first. Daniel, welcome next on Nightside. Your thoughts on 586 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 2: what Donald Trump has been doing in Venezuela and what 587 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 2: he might do. 588 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 9: What do you mean, Dan, I just want to say that, 589 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 9: you know, putting a prize on any anybody's head, uh, 590 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:44,920 Speaker 9: you know, almost bottled it. The idea which is the 591 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,400 Speaker 9: great nation of the world, the first one of the 592 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,880 Speaker 9: world that says that, you know, even when somebody's arrested 593 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 9: for our suspected for crime, they are innocent until proven duty. Now, 594 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,839 Speaker 9: if you have enough power to actually wait for those 595 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 9: boats on you on your court life and see who 596 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,239 Speaker 9: they actually who is working with them and giving them 597 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 9: the who they're giving that looks look poisonous to bring 598 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 9: into the country, you know you can you can at least, 599 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,839 Speaker 9: you know, arrest, arrest those people, then who's working with them, 600 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 9: and try to arrest them, and then if if they 601 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,799 Speaker 9: run away, then you can. You can vomb them, but 602 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,360 Speaker 9: not vomb them international not international waters. 603 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 2: All right, Daniel, I I wish you had called early. 604 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,719 Speaker 2: Would have to would have to have a long conversation. 605 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 2: This is one that I think we would have to 606 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,919 Speaker 2: each uh speak a long time about. But I'm glad 607 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,400 Speaker 2: you called because you represent a different point of opinion, 608 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 2: which I respect and I hope you can respect mine 609 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:41,240 Speaker 2: as well. Thank you, my friend. 610 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,880 Speaker 9: I didn't know you were talking differently. I'm sorry, Yeah, okay. 611 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 2: Talk to you later. Let me go to Harvey silver Glade. Harvey, 612 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 2: I do. I am in position of that book by 613 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,759 Speaker 2: Craig Whitney. I'm looking forward to reading it. Thank you, 614 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 2: thank you, thank you. 615 00:36:56,040 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 10: You're welcome. If drivers who are legalized, the cartels would 616 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 10: go out of business overnight at no cost to the 617 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 10: government or to the military. I have been saying this 618 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 10: for years. Drug addiction should be a medical problem, not 619 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 10: a legal problem. 620 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,319 Speaker 2: Fair enough. I respect that opinion. I'm not necessarily there 621 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,799 Speaker 2: with you on it, but I understand that argument, and 622 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,400 Speaker 2: I respect people like you who have held that position, 623 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:30,280 Speaker 2: that that philosophical position through good days and good times 624 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 2: and bad times. To be honest with you, Uh, let's 625 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,879 Speaker 2: look at the legality from a legal point of view 626 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 2: of what Trump is doing here, basically taking these cigarette 627 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 2: boats international waters and taking them out, assuming that he 628 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 2: has some information as to what their purpose is. And 629 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:52,359 Speaker 2: you're you're his lawyer, do you do you advocate he 630 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,719 Speaker 2: does this or you say no, you're you're what you're 631 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 2: stepping in. 632 00:37:55,440 --> 00:38:00,200 Speaker 10: In it's it's dubious other international law. But who was 633 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 10: going to stop him? 634 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,960 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, there's the law, and then there's the 635 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:06,960 Speaker 2: real world. I guess at that point. 636 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 10: Right, that's how that's how he's been operating in this country. 637 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:15,160 Speaker 10: He's so it's easier in international orders. 638 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean here in this country at least there 639 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,839 Speaker 2: are judges and cases can be heard and injunctions can 640 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 2: be issued and restraining orders filed. Yeah, Harvey, thank you. 641 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,200 Speaker 2: I got one more who would like to get in 642 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,960 Speaker 2: just for a few seconds as well? No, thank you, 643 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,439 Speaker 2: my friend, thank you much. Let me get one more 644 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 2: in here, Rob, give me a bout a minute. Let 645 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,759 Speaker 2: me go to Norman Worcester. Norm you've called lately the 646 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 2: last call of but I got you in under the 647 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 2: wire thanks to the generosity of Daniel and Harvey, they've 648 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:40,719 Speaker 2: donated a little time for you. 649 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,480 Speaker 6: Go right ahead, yep, got a couple of minutes left, 650 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 6: ten fifty seven. But yeah, raising legal and political concerns. 651 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,480 Speaker 6: I understand the political part of it, because the Democrats 652 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,239 Speaker 6: are really peaed off that they're cocaine is going to 653 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:56,400 Speaker 6: cost a lot more money. 654 00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,840 Speaker 2: Well, I don't think it's only Democrats who are partaking cocaine. Okay, 655 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,839 Speaker 2: go ahead, that's kind of a hit, pull on the belt, 656 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:04,800 Speaker 2: but go ahead, go ahead. 657 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:05,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah. 658 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 5: And then on the on the the legal part two, 659 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,440 Speaker 5: they're not fishing boats. I fish, and you know my 660 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,960 Speaker 5: fishing reel would not work at sixty miles an hour. No, 661 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:21,400 Speaker 5: I don't think so, they're not fishing boats. 662 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,359 Speaker 6: And so I was just trying to get it quick. 663 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,759 Speaker 2: You got it, you got it, you did it, you 664 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,719 Speaker 2: did it. We are out of time, and I got 665 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 2: to get a particularly a caller like you on earlier 666 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,319 Speaker 2: because we can have some fun. But yeah, right, none 667 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,000 Speaker 2: of us can wait for the eleven for the eleven 668 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,799 Speaker 2: o'clock news. Thanks norm have a great weekend. Thank you 669 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,720 Speaker 2: for thank you what good good points? Thank you? Okay, 670 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,080 Speaker 2: done for now here comes the eleven. Right after the eleven, 671 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,719 Speaker 2: we're going to go to a twentieth hour. I want 672 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,520 Speaker 2: to ask a general question and I think everyone will 673 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,799 Speaker 2: be able to answer the question. We'll tell you what 674 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,720 Speaker 2: that question is on the other side of the news