1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:00,720 Speaker 1: Michael. 2 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 2: Obviously, I know all about the Michael says go here 3 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 2: dot com and the free to meet iHeart app and 4 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 2: the podcast and whatnot. But one of the things that 5 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 2: I really find truly great about your program is that 6 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 2: if I'm listening to a segment and then I get 7 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 2: distracted by various and sundry things, I can come back 8 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 2: to the program and still not totally be sure whether 9 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,799 Speaker 2: I really missed anything of any significance. It's really a 10 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 2: lighthearted way to listen to the radio these days. 11 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 1: I know you're being a jerk butt, but I actually 12 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: take that as a compliment because I do try to 13 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: weave in just kind of bull wrap stuff with the 14 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:42,919 Speaker 1: serious stuff, and maybe it's sometimes it's imbalance, sometimes it's 15 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: out of balance. But then you're call somebody the cares 16 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: because I don't. 17 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 3: And real quick, since both Alexa in the Rules of 18 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 3: Engagement and girl Dad right there mentioned Michael says go 19 00:00:55,840 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 3: here dot com, if you want to avoid that pop 20 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 3: up for the keyword for cash, go to Michael says 21 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 3: go here dot com. 22 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 1: Oh that's right, it's because it takes straight to my page, 23 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 1: straight to the page. Yeah, that's right. 24 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 3: So instead of going to ka Colorado dot com or 25 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 3: khow dot com to get the pop up to enter 26 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 3: in that keyword that pop that that you can do that, 27 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 3: So it's fantastic. Please do win from one of our shows, 28 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 3: that'd be fantastic. Then we get a at a boy. 29 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,759 Speaker 3: But if you want to avoid that pop up, Michael says, 30 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 3: go here dot com. 31 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: Because we still get the out of boy either way. Clickbait, clickbait. 32 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: It's all we went clickbait. Yeah. I don't know whether 33 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: to do this serious story or not. Since it's Friday, 34 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: it's older than a well digger's ass outside. It's you know, 35 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: we got taxpair with these shots coming up. Maybe we 36 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: just don't do anything this hour. Maybe we just fart 37 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: jokes or something. I'm he's looking for the fart button. 38 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: There you go, there you go, thank you. That's exactly 39 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: what we needed because my next statement is going to 40 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: be the Constitute. The United States Constitution states a very 41 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: simple rule, and it is there's freedom of speech right there, kids, 42 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: there's freedom of speech right there? Would you turn that off? 43 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 4: I'm going to play that one before it says extra long, 44 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 4: it's almost thirty seconds. 45 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: Just grieve. Well, at least now we at least now 46 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 1: know that if I don't get back from my potty 47 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: break during the break, you've got something to fill the 48 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: time with. So and they will, and the goobers won't 49 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: notice the difference. It'd be like, oh, he's he's on 50 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: Aaron farting again. The constitutional states a very simple rule. 51 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: That rule is this, only citizens can vote in federal elections. 52 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: I know they comes to a shock to many governors 53 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: and mayors and people around the country, but only citizens 54 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: can vote in federal elections. Now, I don't think that's controversial. 55 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:13,119 Speaker 1: I don't think it's partisan. I don't think it's something new, like, oh, 56 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: you know what we found. It's like we found the 57 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: oh what what are the I forget what they're called 58 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: the books of the Bible that were hidden, you know. 59 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: But it's not like we found the Dead Sea scrolls 60 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: or something. It is a condition built into the very 61 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: idea of a self governing population. Yet in our modern 62 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: election administration, that very basic rule is somehow treated as, oh, 63 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: it's really hard to enforce that, or it's legally suspect 64 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: on some basis. It's racist. That's always that's always the 65 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: goat for the laft Oh it's racist to do that, 66 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: or it's just you know what, it's just illegal to verify. So, 67 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: how is something as simple as that rule that only 68 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: how this can vote in federal elections? How did that 69 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: constitutional certainty come to be treated as some sort of problem. Well, 70 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: the answer is not in the Constitution itself. It's in 71 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: a statute, the National Voter Registration Act of nineteen ninety three. Yeah, 72 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: we're going all the way back in ancient history to 73 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three because the National Voter Registration Act was 74 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: written with a very clear purpose. But once again, look 75 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: at a shiny object over here. Now, if you pay 76 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: attention to what we're doing over there and passing this act, 77 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: then we're going to have to do just like in 78 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 1: the Board of Education stuff, in the last hour, we're 79 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 1: gonna have to do a bunch of performative politics so 80 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: that you don't really see what we're doing. You got 81 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 1: to play the shell game. You see, Congress wanted to 82 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: make voter registration easier because they still pull out the 83 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 1: bull crap statement that ooh to turnout so low, we 84 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 1: want more people to vote. I don't, I honestly don't 85 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: want more people to vote. Now, I would like to 86 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 1: have more informed people vote. I'd even like to have 87 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: more people that vote the way I think vote. But 88 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: I don't want more people to just go vote just 89 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 1: to go voting, because if you've been around people, you 90 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 1: know that they're not exactly smart. So this Act really 91 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: focused on convenience over verification, and they did all of 92 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: that at the front end, and then later on they 93 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: would rely on after the fact enforcement mechanism and criminal penalties. 94 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: That is exactly how they structured that law. The choice 95 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: was embedded in the structure of the federal voter registration form, 96 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 1: which requires an applicant to just attest to citizenship under 97 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: penalty of perjury. That's all you have to do. Just 98 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 1: affirm you know I hear, you know you saw me 99 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: so well, swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, 100 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: and nothing about the truth help you got I do. 101 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: That's pretty much all it does. You don't have to 102 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: provide any documentary proof that you're actually a US citizen. 103 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: And interestingly, in nineteen ninety three, I should have pulled 104 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: it up, but I didn't. You could have heard Barbara Jordan, 105 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,559 Speaker 1: Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, you could heard every Democrat, Chuck Schumer, 106 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 1: Nancy plus everybody else talking about illegal immigration and how 107 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: it was a bane to this country and we got 108 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 1: to stop this illegal immigration. But at the same time, 109 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 1: if they're spewing all of that bull crap, they're passing 110 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: this National Voter Registration BacT in nineteen ninety three, and 111 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,679 Speaker 1: the statue did not say that non citizens may vote. 112 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 1: It said something much more subtle. It restricted the mechanisms 113 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: that our states Colorado, Mexicano, New Mexico, Texas, wherever you 114 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: might be. It constrained the mechanisms that a state could 115 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: use when registering a voter for a federal election. And 116 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: that constraint hardened, just like everything else in the government program, 117 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: it hardened over time. So what started as kind of 118 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: a statutory design choice became an administrative doctrine. The bureaucrats 119 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: took hold of it and ran with it. Election officials 120 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: learned that asking for proof of citizenship, oh, that's kind 121 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: of risky. Well why did suddenly become risky? How did 122 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: politicians go from we're gonna you know, we're gonna have this, 123 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: you know, you got to be a citizen to vote, 124 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: to well, but you can't ask for verification non government organizations, 125 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: advocacy groups, specially interest they all started preaching, and of 126 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: course the cabal, the national media and the local media 127 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: too started picking up that if you request verification that 128 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: somehow that's illegal. And then the courts got in on 129 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: the game, and they started treating documentary verification as somehow 130 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: presumptively incompatible with federal law. So the result is you 131 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: get a rhetorical inversion of the statute. In other words, 132 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: you get statutes that is designed to streamline registration now 133 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: being used as if to redefine the electorate itself. And 134 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: that really happened about a decade ago in a case 135 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: called Arizona versus Intertribal Council of Arizona. Arizona was trying, 136 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: they were actually trying to require documentary proof of citizenship 137 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: for voters using the federal registration form, but the Supreme 138 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: Court held that the National Voter Registration Act preempted that requirement, 139 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: that it suddenly it got prempted by the federal government 140 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: and the states couldn't do it. So the Supreme Court 141 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: said that the states must accept the federal form as 142 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: sufficient for federal elections. And they went further and said 143 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: that and Unfortunately, I have to agree with this that 144 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:26,319 Speaker 1: if Congress wanted proof of citizenship to be required, Congress 145 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: would have to say, so, do you get the drift 146 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: of what's happening here? So the National Voter Registration Act 147 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: of nineteen ninety three, it gets passed with a lot 148 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: of bipartisan support. You know, Democrats are talking about illegal immigration, 149 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,719 Speaker 1: so they just passed a law that says you got 150 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: to be a citizen to vote. Okay, we all applauded, yay. 151 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: But then the bureaucracy gets a hold of it and 152 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: creates a form, and all the forms says, is I 153 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: am a citizen of the United States, and I attested 154 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: that penalties of perjury, no requirement. Don't have to show 155 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:07,199 Speaker 1: a passport, don't have to show any don't have to 156 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:08,959 Speaker 1: show a birth certificate, you don't have to show you 157 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: don't have to show you your naturalization papers, you don't 158 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 1: have to show anything. Arizona decides you don't wait a minute. 159 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,839 Speaker 1: What we ought to do for any election in Arizona. 160 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: We ought to actually require proof of that citizenship when 161 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 1: you register. Oh and the court, here's where you really 162 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: have to be nuanced in your thinking. I don't disagree 163 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: with the Supreme Court case because they're just reading the 164 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: plane language of the statute, and the statute says only 165 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: US citizens can vote. What the statute didn't say is 166 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: in order to vote, you must prove that you are 167 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 1: a US citizen. Now that may seem like you have 168 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: distinction without a difference, but it's big time because the 169 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: bureaucracy is the one that always implements federal law. And 170 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: they decided, okay, we'll create a card and we'll just 171 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: tell people you have to go. You no perjury. How 172 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,599 Speaker 1: many people are ever going to be held for perjury? 173 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: How many? Very few, if ever? And so the Court 174 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: rightly held that if Congress wanted proof of citizenship, then 175 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,719 Speaker 1: Congress would have said so. Now, many people say that 176 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: that ruling is often misdescribed. The Court did not say 177 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: that citizenship verification is unconstitutional. It did not say that 178 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: non citizens may vote. It didn't even say that proof 179 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: of citizenship is mad policy. It said something very narrow 180 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: and very technical. Congress by statute required states to accept 181 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: a particular form, and that form did not require documentation, 182 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: and under our supremacy clause, the statue prevailed, which is 183 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: why you can argue all you want to about what 184 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: the decision really means. But to me, the decision is 185 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: pretty clear. But the practical effect became the problem because 186 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: the decision entrins the idea that documentary citizenship requirements somehow 187 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 1: are legally suspect. I don't get that. It taught administrators 188 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: and legislators the same lesson, don't touch this area unless 189 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: you want to get sued, because that's when all the 190 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 1: advocacy groups and all the NGOs jump in and they 191 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:39,559 Speaker 1: push and impose their interpretation on the states. And for 192 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:43,199 Speaker 1: that meteral members of Congress, and now Congress is scared 193 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 1: to even do anything over a decade. Now, in thirteen years, 194 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: legislators administrators learn, don't do anything. And that lesson is 195 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:03,439 Speaker 1: what is operating today. It's in that environment that opposition. 196 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: I mentioned this act a couple of times this week, 197 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 1: so I thought we ought to dig into it. It's 198 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: that environment that opposition to the Save Act needs to 199 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: be understood. A great example is because the Save Act 200 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: I think could pass, but for Republicans. Republicans are the 201 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: ones blocking it. We've got some ten we got at 202 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: least a dozen Republican US Senators that are blocking the 203 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,439 Speaker 1: passage of the Save Act. Chuck Grassley is one of him, 204 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: and he's a great example of why. He portrays his 205 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: opposition to the Save Act, which would require documentation because 206 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: he doubts the importance of citizenship verification or because he 207 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: underestimates the risk of non citizens voting in our elections. Well, 208 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: I think that portrayal of Chuck Grassley doesn't go deep enough. 209 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: A more charitable or maybe a more accurate stealment is 210 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: institutionalist caution, because when you take that perspective, Grassley is 211 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: not rejecting the constitutional rule. He's simply respecting the statutory 212 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: landscape that Congress itself passed and that the courts have enforced. Now, 213 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: if you take that view as a longstanding member of 214 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: the United States Senate than Congress too, and you look 215 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: at a statue that's spent on the book for over 216 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: thirty years now, it generates an extensive body of judicial interpretation. 217 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: And so then you get election systems all around the 218 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: country built around that proposition that that form is somehow 219 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: the Bible, it's the Gospel, and we can never change it. 220 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: And to impose a documentary requirement, even one that would 221 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: be aligned with the constitutional principles. Well, now you're going 222 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: to have a bunch of chaos. It's going to be administrative, 223 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: administratively disruptive. It might create confusion among legal and lawful voters. 224 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: The courts might they might issue an injunction, or the 225 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: states might decide different ways to enforce documentary compliance, and 226 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: then voters would be caught between inconsistent rules. You know, 227 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: you have one rule in Colorado and you get sick of, 228 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: you know, all the book crap going on in Colorado, 229 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: so you back up and move to Texas, and Texas 230 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: has a more stringent requirement. And that's that's the reason. 231 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: Because you move from Colorado to Texas, and Texas is 232 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: the more strict and you can't figure it out. Well, 233 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: sucks to be you. Now, from that perspective, I don't 234 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: think the court's were acting in bad faith. They're reading 235 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: the statute as it's written. And Congress chose this. They 236 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: wanted to make it easier to register, and they didn't 237 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: really care about proving that you were really a US citizen, 238 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: so they chose what you could call an attestation model 239 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: rather than a verification model. You just attest that you're 240 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: a citizen. You don't show that you're a citizen, and 241 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: so the courts just followed that choice to its logical conclusion. Now, 242 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: if that conclusion is unsatisfactories, I believe that it is. 243 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: The fault is with the statute, it's not with the courts. Now, 244 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: this dealman deserves to be taken seriously because it explains 245 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: why a legislator, a senator, or a congressman committed to 246 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: institutional stability might resist reforms that at first glance appear. 247 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: Now I emphasize the word appear to conflict with this 248 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: doctrine that's built up since the Act was passed in 249 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three. But that also explains why appeals to 250 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: constitutional principles by themselves is not persuading these yahoos. The problem, 251 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: on this view is not what the constitution allows, it's 252 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 1: what the statute. It's what the current statute actually requires. 253 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: And remember, the statute only requires that you attest that 254 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: you're a US citizen, not that you verify or prove 255 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: that you're a US citizen. But I think once you 256 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: understand that argument, the implication becomes unavoidable. Because if the 257 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: problem is the statute, which I believe that it is, 258 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: then the remedy is a statute, or in this case, 259 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: an amendment to the statue, or a new statute abolishing 260 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: the old one and putting a new one in. And 261 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 1: that's precisely what the SAVE Act does. The SAVE Act 262 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: does not defy the National Voter Restoration Acts in nineteen 263 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: ninety three. It amends it. It doesn't ask the Court 264 00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: to reinterpret existing texts. It rewrites the test, just like 265 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court said, if Congress had meant to do that, 266 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: they could have written that. So it doesn't invite administrative improvisation. 267 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: It gives us legislative clarity. So by requiring documentary proof 268 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: of citizenship for federal voter registration, Congress, according to the 269 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: Supreme Court, would actually be exercising the very authority the 270 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 1: Supreme Court identified in that Arizona case. Because remember, the 271 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: Court did not bar a requirement of verification. It just 272 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: pointed its fingers in Congress to Congress and said you're 273 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,439 Speaker 1: the body that if that's what you want, then you 274 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: need to do that, because the way you wrote it 275 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety three very clearly just says people have 276 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: to attest that they're a citizen if you want, if 277 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: you wanted, indeed to require a person to prove their citizenship, 278 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: then you could have and you could write that into statue. 279 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: So why don't we. By the way, this hour's chance 280 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: to win that thousand bucks coming up in the next 281 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: five minutes Thanks to Mercedes Bins at Littleton Mercedes Offlyttleton 282 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: dot com. 283 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 4: Harry Hagman's questioning of Jack Smith yesterday was very interesting 284 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 4: the those that missed it. She basically got Jack Smith 285 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 4: to admit that he got information from the Jason Committee. 286 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 4: She mentioned that the Jason Committee had destroyed a lot 287 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:31,360 Speaker 4: of their interviews and she asked if the information had 288 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 4: been preserved. He said, yes, so supposedly we might get 289 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 4: from that information even though it was destroyed. 290 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: That was busy all day yesterday and didn't really have 291 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: a chance to catch up on it. But I'm gonna 292 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 1: try to do that. I'll be talking about it tomorrow 293 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 1: on the weekend with Michael Brown. But you can hear 294 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: on Freedom ninety three seven from ten to one tomorrow 295 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 1: and on three hundred fifty affiliates around the country. I 296 00:19:55,600 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 1: just want to throw that in what okay, all right? 297 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 1: The Save Act is being used as you're being You're 298 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 1: being trolled by Republicans. As I said, the SAVE Act 299 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: does not defy the National Voter Registration Act in nineteen 300 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: ninety three. It amends it. It doesn't as the court's 301 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 1: to reinterpret existing texts. It just rewrites the law and 302 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: it and it prevents the bureaucrats from coming up with, 303 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: you know, some sort of attestation proof of your citizenship, 304 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: just just your declaration that you're a citizenship. It simply 305 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 1: requires documentary proof of citizenship for federal voter registration. It's 306 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: a very simple thing. And the court didn't bar that requirement. 307 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 1: Go back to the Arizona case. The court did not 308 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: say you can't do it. It just said that if 309 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 1: you wanted to do it, you should have done it. 310 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: Because the way you wrote the statute, we're not going 311 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: to read into it something you didn't put into it. 312 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,640 Speaker 1: So if you look at it that way, this opposition 313 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 1: by Republicans grounded in some sort of that the nineteen 314 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: ninety three National Voter Registration Act somehow preempts their support 315 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: of the current SAVE Act truthly undermines it. But you're 316 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: being sold to build the goods if states are blocked 317 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: from acting because federal law occupies the field, then the 318 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: federal law's got to be changed. Treating that BLOK is 319 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: just somehow immutable and you can't change that confuses judicial 320 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: interpretation with the constitutional necessity of doing this. Now, remember 321 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 1: the National Voter Registration Act is not part of the Constitution, 322 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 1: And as I said, the Constitution very basically says for 323 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: federal elections, you must be a US citizen. So this 324 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: would not be any sort of extraordinary measure. It's an 325 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 1: ordinary statute, would be passed by Congress, and actually it 326 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: could be it would be truthfully subject to revision by 327 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: future Congresses. There's no constitutional barrier to this revision. The 328 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 1: Constitution grants states, and Congress brought authority to regulate the time, place, 329 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: and manner of elections, and it presupposes, it assumes that 330 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: the electorate are US citizens, So requiring proof of that 331 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:33,120 Speaker 1: citizenship doesn't change the Constitution. It doesn't add a new qualification. 332 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: It enforces the existing qualifications. And courts have long recognized 333 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 1: the difference between rules for eligibility and what are reasonable 334 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: verification measures. And I think the SAVE Act falls squarely 335 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: on the verification side, and it doesn't undermine any values 336 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: that motivate trying to get more people registered. Now, easer 337 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: registration matters. Get that we want you know, I politicians 338 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,679 Speaker 1: and maybe many of you want registration to be easy. Okay, 339 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: I get that. You know what else matters. You can't 340 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: have ease of registration without having a system of registration 341 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: that has integrity. So the question is not whether registrations 342 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 1: should be easy or accessible, but whether that ease or 343 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 1: accessibility has to come at the cost of abandoning verification 344 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 1: and making sure that we're actually citizens that vote. Put 345 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: it this way, a system that verifies citizenship at the 346 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: front end can actually reduce the need for a bunch 347 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: of investigations later. And I think it has a great 348 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 1: public benefit of public confidence in our elections. I know 349 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: Democrats will tell you, oh, there's no evidence of widespread 350 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: non citizens voting. Okay, let's say you accept that point. 351 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: Even I have said I don't think that there is 352 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: widespread non citizen voting. But that misses the point entirely. 353 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 1: Because the laws that govern our elections are not reactive, 354 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: they're constitutional. They define the terms of participating in our elections. 355 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:25,640 Speaker 1: We don't abolish, say the age requirement, because few fifteen 356 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 1: year olds try to vote. We don't eliminate residency rules 357 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: because most voters. Most voters just comply volunteer. It's just 358 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: easier to vote in your own precinct. We enforce the 359 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: baseline qualifications because that defines who's voting, who the electorate is. 360 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: In our elections. We're operating under a system in which 361 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: the Constitution says one thing, statutory law constrains enforcement of 362 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 1: that thing, and administering practice treats the constraint of some 363 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: sort of prohibition. That's not equilibrium. That's inviting distrust. It 364 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 1: encourages rhetorical overreach on both sides of this issue. The 365 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: Save Act would restore coherence. And that's why, quite frankly, 366 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 1: I think that so many Republicans are opposed to this. 367 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 1: They it's almost no. I wouldn't even say it's almost. 368 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: They don't want to go to the trouble. And I'm 369 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: sure they're getting pushed back by state and local election boards. 370 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,360 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, there's gonna be a burden us, it's 371 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: gonna cost us money, blah blah blah blah. What's more important? 372 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: And we've spent money on so much crap now if 373 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: it's going to cost a lot of money. Once you 374 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 1: take the nine billion dollars we wasted defraud in Minnesota 375 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: and use it to do this to create a verification system. 376 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:50,880 Speaker 1: Once you take the billions of dollars that we waste 377 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 1: every single year on you know, stoop lahomeless or or 378 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 1: providing all these benefits to illegal aliens, and do it 379 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 1: on the verification process. So I think Senator Grassly is 380 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: just so caught up in the institutional bias against change 381 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: that he's not doing anything. Then I understand fidelity to 382 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: institutional processes. I get that, but that doesn't mean you 383 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 1: have to be paralyzed. It ought to require and the 384 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: Senator ought to be able to think, you know, outside 385 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: the box. I don't think this is really outside the box. 386 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: That when a statute is not serving the foundational purpose, 387 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 1: then changing that statue or adding to or detracting from 388 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,360 Speaker 1: that statue is probably a good thing to do. That's 389 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 1: what we voted for you to do. The Save Act 390 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 1: becomes that channel. It doesn't do anything in terms of 391 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 1: constitutional theory. It doesn't undermine federalism, It doesn't disenfranchise a 392 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: lawful legal voter by redefining eligibility. It simply requires an 393 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: eligibility proof. Why is it so difficult? Serious question? Ask yourself? 394 00:26:55,840 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: Why is it so difficult? Let me say something. The 395 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: Save Act is the Republican answer to a problem that 396 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: doesn't actually exist at scale non citizen voting. It passed 397 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: the House back in April of last year, but has 398 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: been sitting in the Senate ever since, going absolutely nowhere. 399 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,439 Speaker 1: But here's the twist, because here's what I find fascinating. 400 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 1: The Republicans know it's not going anywhere. They need sixty votes, 401 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 1: They're not getting sixty votes. So why keep pushing this? 402 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: Why do they keep pushing it and ignoring what's really needed? 403 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,880 Speaker 5: Michael, I'm glad that you pointed out the CBS news 404 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 5: story on how they handled Ice. Having said that you 405 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,679 Speaker 5: were talking about how Cronkite and Murrow were turning in 406 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 5: their graves. 407 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: I disagree with you. 408 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 5: They're turning in their graves. It's more over Arry Wise 409 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 5: and her attempts to try to center the newscast make 410 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 5: it more like News Nation, contrary to what the liberals 411 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 5: are saying, being Fox Newslight or Newsmax Light. 412 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 1: I think very Wise is getting she is. She's trying 413 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: to move CBS back to the middle. But she's also 414 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: getting criticized because she's breaking some of the China in 415 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 1: the China closet and some of the diehards that have 416 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: been there forever they're now being held accountable, and people 417 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: don't like that. And when you come in and try 418 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: to change the culture of an organization, I'm telling you, 419 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: as one who's been through that in different places, particularly 420 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: a thief federal level, changing a culture of an organization 421 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: is an incredibly difficult thing to do. So I give 422 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: Barry Wise. You know, if you read the Free Press, 423 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: which I do, the Free Press is a more balanced, 424 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: probably news outlet, and that's what she's trying to get to, 425 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: more balanced than most of them. So she's trying to 426 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: emulate the Free Press than Power Tour. Don't trust trust me. 427 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: Barry Wise is a liberal, but she understands the business. 428 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: So I give a lot of credit. Let me get 429 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: back to save Act real quickly because and actually somebody 430 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: on the text line raised one of these questions. So 431 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: if this Act were passed, some of the acceptable documents 432 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: would be real ID compliant ID that indicates citizenship, but 433 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: most states real ID doesn't indicate citizenships, So that's kind 434 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: of null and void, or a passport or a passport card, 435 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: a birth certificate with your US birth, a consular report 436 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: of birth abroad, a certificate of naturalization or citizenship, your 437 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: military ID, plus proof of US birthplace. And it would 438 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 1: also change some of the way things are operated. It 439 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: would eliminate mail in voter registration. Say mail in ballots, 440 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: I said, mail in voter registration. It would kill online registration. 441 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 1: You got to show your documents when you initially registered. 442 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: The problem with that, hell's bells. I gotta go. I 443 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: gotta go to the DMV to register a new car. 444 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: Voting's not as important as registering a new car. It's 445 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: more important than registering a new car. They it requires 446 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 1: the states to go through a purge process to get 447 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: rid of people who have not voted. And you know, 448 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 1: I agree. You let your driver's license expire, you don't 449 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: renew it, you got to go back in and it 450 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: creates criminal penalties. I don't have a problem with that either. 451 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: Now the opponents say there's some twenty one million eligible 452 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: voters who lack access to the required documents, And they say, well, 453 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: that's going to hurt women who change their names after 454 00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: marriage because birthficate their birth certificate, won't current names. Okay, 455 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: easy fix birth certificate and a marriage certificate. What's the 456 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: problem here? And then they argue about people of color 457 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: three times more likely to lack documents. Well, one, I 458 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: question that, But two, are you really telling me that, say, 459 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: black people are too stupid to be able to go 460 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: find the documents or to get the documents they don't 461 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 1: have the ability to do so? How offensive? How racist 462 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: is that? Or old farts, senior citizens particularly, they claim 463 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: those born at home in rural areas with no hospital 464 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: birth certificates, Well, I bet they got a Bible. If 465 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 1: they don't have a Bible, I bet I bet there's 466 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: two or three people that could verify that they oh, yeah, 467 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: they were born at home. And by the way, we're 468 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: probably getting beyond that point where pretty soon that won't 469 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 1: be the case. Or young voters, military overseas voters, Native Americans, 470 00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: and tribal lands. All of those are fixable. But they 471 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: argue that all of those things amount to one simple problem. 472 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: Voter suppression. No it's not, it's voter verification. And if 473 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: that means that some people either can't or won't do it, eh, 474 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: too bad to that I say, really, too bad, taxpayer. 475 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 1: These shots coming up next