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Speaker 2: All right, good afternoon, Happy Wednesday. Welcome in. It is

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Speaker 2: the latest edition here since e three to sixty. You're

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Speaker 2: week because we've been super loaded with talkbacks, today's the day.

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Speaker 2: a talkback. We'll get to those an hour. Number two.

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Speaker 2: James Rapine, covering the Bengals for Sports Illustrated, will join

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Speaker 2: us at two o'clock. And we've got a lot to

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Speaker 2: sort through from from an NFL standpoint, a very busy

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Speaker 2: trade deadline yesterday, from a Cincinnati Bengals standpoint, a very

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Speaker 2: quiet trade deadline yesterday. We'll get the thoughts on that

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Speaker 2: from you. Austin and I will sift through them as well.

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Speaker 2: We've got the first edition of the college football playoff

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Speaker 2: rankings that are out. A win by Kentucky last night.

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Speaker 2: Mark Pope spoke after the win. We'll hear a little

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Speaker 2: bit of what Mark Pope had to say. Jay Billis

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Speaker 2: has named going into the season his top sixty eight

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Speaker 2: teams of the college basketball season. And since it's the

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Speaker 2: bye week, was.

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Speaker 3: I didn't see it to find out.

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Speaker 2: Also, since it's the bye week, no Zach Taylor press

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Speaker 2: conference today, So what we will do, Austin's.

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Speaker 3: Probably a good thing. We don't have to hear from you.

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Speaker 2: If if there were a Duke Tobin press conference on

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Speaker 2: Duke Tobin press conference, what questions would be asked? You

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Speaker 2: and I can come up with some questions for Duke Tobin,

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Speaker 3: To answer them. I like that.

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Speaker 2: The Bengals and the Bearcats went into their respective bye weeks,

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Speaker 2: both on a loss. If you look to what's coming

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Speaker 2: out of the bye week, a tough stretch for the Bengals,

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Speaker 2: a three game stretch for the Bearcats with their season

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Speaker 2: still hanging in the balance of playing for a Big

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Speaker 2: Twelve championship if they control their own destiny. So let's

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Speaker 2: look at how to improve both teams. The top three

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Speaker 2: improvements for the Bengals, the top three improvements needed for

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Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Bearcats, and if so, are the Bearcats playing

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Speaker 2: in Dallas for a Big twelve championship with an opportunity

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Speaker 2: to go to the College Football Playoff. Speaking of college football,

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Speaker 2: we've got rankings Austin, We've got the first college football rankings.

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Speaker 2: How much do you put into the first college football rankings?

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Speaker 4: I put a little bit more into them than most

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Speaker 4: the group thinks, because it's different people basically every year, right, right,

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Speaker 4: and this is a whole new group, and it can

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Speaker 4: all that. You can start to see, Okay, how exactly

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Speaker 4: does this team or this group of people value certain wins?

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Speaker 4: And I think one example would be like Louisville in

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Speaker 2: The Bearcats not in the top twenty five. The top

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Speaker 2: It does not appear the committee thinks very highly of

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Speaker 2: When the first playoff rankings come out. For Notre Dame,

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Speaker 2: But I think when you see how it's viewed It

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Speaker 2: committee standpoint. Major League Baseball news. The Atlanta Braves are

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Speaker 2: keeping Chris Sale in the fold with an eighteen million

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Speaker 4: The Reds made a signing yesterday. Oh, they signed a

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Speaker 4: Keegan spent all of last year in Triple A IOWA

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Speaker 2: It is going to be an interesting Major League Baseball

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Speaker 2: not the Otani. It's not the Wan Soto sweepstakes. But

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Speaker 2: there are some high level free agents, both as pitchers

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Speaker 2: not come up once on this list. Yeah, the Reds

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Speaker 3: It's it's weird.

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Speaker 4: I find myself dreading the start of baseball season already,

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Speaker 4: Somebody on social media posted, however, many days until pitchers

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure I'll warm up to it. Red's Hot Stove

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Speaker 2: How do you think Breece Hall feels like going back

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Speaker 2: Yeah, deadline winners, the Indianapolis Colts and Sauce Gardner.

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Speaker 2: Somebody in in kind of grading winners and losers. Ben

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Speaker 4: what forty seven million dollars a year, Quinnon Williams is

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Speaker 4: You've gotten better up front, and one thing the Cowboys

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Speaker 4: has stop the run. And so you've added Kenny Clark,

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Speaker 2: I thought, and you outlined how they've tried to address it.

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Speaker 4: This is a quarterback question, so I think there's it's

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Speaker 4: fair to say the jury's still out on Trevor Lawrence, right,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say, I think that's something to keep

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Speaker 3: I've never seen that before. Yep, let's do this. Maybe

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Speaker 4: I just saw a TikTok video. Oh it was you

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Speaker 4: to the scoreboard it said bye week. Fifty five Bengals

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Speaker 2: There was also that AI going around of like Bengals

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Speaker 3: It wasn't great.

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Speaker 4: I saw one of them work in the line at Skyline,

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Speaker 4: what happens when you lose. Here's the issue.

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Speaker 2: It was a very slow day for the Bengals yesterday

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Speaker 2: At least me I thought they should have. Here's a

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Speaker 2: What is the direction they're going in on defense? How

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Speaker 2: for me, Austin, what's more troubling. I was not trying

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Speaker 2: Yesterday I put out on social media after the trade deadline.

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Speaker 4: I think it's just more saying that the fan base

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Speaker 3: Patients.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, can they operate in patients right now? That's my issue.

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Speaker 2: Would it be refreshing to see urgency?

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Speaker 4: this defensive line is awful. It just to me, the

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Speaker 4: getting a seventh would have been urgency to me because

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Speaker 4: He's been benched, his spot has been taken, and when

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Speaker 2: We messed up this year. We're going to get it

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Speaker 2: by Trey Hendrickson, Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase. So any

435
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Speaker 2: of those things, all of those things, outside of just

436
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Speaker 2: resorting back to who they are, to me, would have

437
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Speaker 2: signified a little more urgency. I mean, we're talking about

438
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Speaker 2: Austin and and we raved about her, and we played

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Speaker 2: the audio from her last week of the week before

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Speaker 2: carly ersa Gordon.

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Speaker 3: For the Colts. I mean, how long has she been

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Speaker 3: in her role, her and her two sisters about just

443
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Speaker 3: a few months and what have they done.

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Speaker 4: They've they've been in beization, but as owners, correct.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they're they're seven and two and they just

446
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Speaker 2: made the biggest splash of the trade deadline, like and

447
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Speaker 2: and and they're they're new to the scene, but they're

448
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Speaker 2: coming on with a fresh set of eyes. They're coming

449
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Speaker 2: on with an enthusiasm and an excitement saying, no, we're

450
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Speaker 2: not going to sit around and wait, we're striking now.

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Speaker 2: AFC is down, No one's running away with it. We

452
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Speaker 2: have a need. Let's fulfill that need and let's try

453
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Speaker 2: to win now. Like that to me is urgency. That

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Speaker 2: is refreshing in the NFL. And I'm not saying you've

455
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Speaker 2: got to replicate, but you know, would would would moving

456
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Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson, would you have recouped a ton? Probably not,

457
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Speaker 2: but I think you could have got a second or

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Speaker 2: third round pick. And if you pair that and then

459
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Speaker 2: let's say they did move on from Duke Tobin, well,

460
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Speaker 2: now Austin, the job becomes a little more enticing because

461
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Speaker 2: you're walking into a good skill set on offense and

462
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Speaker 2: you're walking into some additional draft picks at your disposal. Sure,

463
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Speaker 2: it just would make it that much more attractive. For

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Speaker 2: folks to buy into. That's why I think.

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Speaker 4: What for who who to buy into? Who's buying into

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Speaker 4: the locker room?

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Speaker 2: I mean the fans on the outside, yes, but that

468
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Speaker 2: locker room, to me, needs something to buy into. We're

469
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Speaker 2: seeing the fractures, we're seeing the foundation starting to shake.

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Speaker 2: If Trey Hendrickson was moved yesterday, I would say more

471
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Speaker 2: players than not would say, okay, now it's starting. Now

472
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Speaker 2: we're doing something that we were not normally doing. Maybe

473
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Speaker 2: there's a sign that things are going to be different.

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Speaker 2: Because it's a shell shock right now in the locker room.

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Speaker 2: Talked about this yesterday. If they're saying these things publicly,

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Speaker 2: what do you think is going on privately? It can't

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Speaker 2: be a great culture right now.

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Speaker 3: What do you like?

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Speaker 4: I would say there's shell shock in the Jets locker room.

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Speaker 4: There's shell shock in the Colts locker room.

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Speaker 2: I think there's shell shock. The way they've lost the

482
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Speaker 2: last two games, I guess I mean you lost to

483
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Speaker 2: the winless New York Jets. I mean I labeled it

484
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Speaker 2: as the worst loss of the Zach Taylor era. That

485
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Speaker 2: to me would be a little shocking. In a locker

486
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Speaker 2: room you put up thirty eight, you lost to the

487
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Speaker 2: windless Jets without three of their better players. The next week,

488
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Speaker 2: you put up forty two and Caleb Williams dog walks

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Speaker 2: you down the field to put up forty seven in

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Speaker 2: the final minute of the game. There are obvious frustrations

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Speaker 2: that are boiling over. There are players that visibly and

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Speaker 2: audibly are voicing those frustrations. If defensive players walking out

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Speaker 2: of media availability after the game to get out of there.

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Speaker 2: I just think that a sign of something yesterday, of

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Speaker 2: anything but status quo would have been a welcome sight.

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Speaker 2: And maybe maybe that was taken care of Monday when

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Speaker 2: Zach Taylor addressed the team. Right Maybe maybe Zach Taylor

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Speaker 2: set a tone on Monday that's going to reverberate through

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Speaker 2: the rest of the season, and I hope it does.

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Speaker 2: But right now, and we outlined Austin that the schedule

501
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Speaker 2: coming up, this thing has a real chance of spiraling

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Speaker 2: heavily out of control. Do you think they'll be favored

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Speaker 2: in any of the next five No, they'll be like

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Speaker 2: going forward, they'll be favored against Miami.

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Speaker 3: No, they will not be really No, I mean not. Miami.

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Speaker 3: Team's awful. They have good players on offense.

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Speaker 2: Will they be favored in another game this year? No,

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Speaker 2: I just said that. No Cleveland, No at home. No,

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Speaker 2: that's crazy unless Flacco is playing that game, which I

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Speaker 2: don't know if he will be.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that is and I know I guess

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Speaker 4: that that's maybe the I mean that who cares about

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Speaker 4: that game?

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Speaker 3: But I guess that's probably the most likely one.

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Speaker 2: For sure, they can't be favored in the next five

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Speaker 2: I here's the thing.

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Speaker 4: There have been no signs of progress none. DJ Turner maybe,

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Speaker 4: and you know that in and of itself, Like I

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Speaker 4: think we all thought DJ Turner had that in him.

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Speaker 4: It's been nice to see him turn a corner. There

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Speaker 4: has been no signs of progress with Chris Jenkins, no

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Speaker 4: signs of project with progress with Miles Murphy. JOSEPHO says,

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Speaker 4: the same player he's been for six years. Geno Stones

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Speaker 4: going backwards, Jordan Battle's going backwards, Larry Curley and Moe

525
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Speaker 4: at the linebacker spot.

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Speaker 3: I mean, how much how much do you think Trey

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Speaker 3: Hendrickson plays the rest of the war.

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Speaker 4: He's gonna try to play every snap because you got

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Speaker 4: escalators in his contract for playing time. That's that, I mean,

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Speaker 4: that's let's call it what it is here, and Trey

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Speaker 4: still has a lot to play for because you know

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Speaker 4: what I think drives me nuts about the yesterday not

533
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Speaker 4: trading Trey Henderson is you open the door for another

534
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Speaker 4: drama filled off season with him, and I would I

535
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Speaker 4: would be shocked. I know this is not a popular opinion,

536
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Speaker 4: but I would be shocked if they tagged him again,

537
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Speaker 4: unless the plan is to tag in trade and they

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Speaker 4: want to wash their hands of it, which makes sense,

539
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Speaker 4: But I would be shocked if they tagged him again.

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Speaker 4: We've seen them multiple times. Let a guy like that walk?

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Speaker 2: And can Zach Taylor avoid another offseason like that? I

542
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,239
Speaker 2: don't know that it's his fault, No, but he's going

543
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 2: to have to answer for it. Yeah, It's like he

544
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Speaker 2: does every year exactly, which is why I give Zach

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Speaker 2: a little bit of grace and I always have not

546
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Speaker 2: his his fault really, So yeah, a lot. But Tray

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Speaker 2: is Trey is still trying to prove that he's one

548
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Speaker 2: of those guys and is still going to be looking

549
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Speaker 2: for another big deal. Is it going to be what

550
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 2: he could have gotten two years ago?

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Speaker 4: No? Probably not, But you know, he's got a lot

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Speaker 4: to prove still the rest of this year. And I

553
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Speaker 4: do think as ridiculous as it sounds, maybe in defensive

554
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 4: of the Bengals here, if Trey Hendrickson played on Sunday,

555
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Speaker 4: they may have won that game. I know that that

556
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 4: might sound ridiculous, but a player like him, all it

557
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 4: takes is won one strip sack, one batted ball down,

558
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Speaker 4: one force fumble. He's the only guy on that team

559
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Speaker 4: that's proven capable of making those plays that can go

560
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 4: and win you a game. And maybe in those moments

561
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Speaker 4: where Kayleb Williams is running around the pocket, Trey Hendrickson's

562
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 4: there and puts the hand on the ball and it's

563
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Speaker 4: recovered by the Bengals. You never know, And maybe that's

564
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Speaker 4: the idea that the Bengals are thinking of here. And

565
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Speaker 4: I can appreciate never waving the white flag and fighting

566
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Speaker 4: till the end, sure, but as we said prior to

567
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Speaker 4: the game, that was their last stand and they didn't survive.

568
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Speaker 4: So now it's time to move on and start thinking

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Speaker 4: about the future.

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Speaker 3: UH.

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Speaker 2: One more thought on Trey Hendrickson and then we will

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Speaker 2: look to UH what life will be outside of the

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Speaker 2: bye week for the Cincinnati Bengals. Along with your phone

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Speaker 2: calls five one, three, seven, four nine, fifteen thirty at

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Speaker 2: cinty three sixty on the home of the Bengals, ESPN

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 1: You've been listening to football in the NATI on ESPN

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Speaker 1: fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 6: It's her turner steps up, a sport kitty raises to

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Speaker 6: the basket fire us.

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Speaker 3: Name for three. Eg May steps up again. The present

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Speaker 3: veteran steps up and he's the biggest shout of the season.

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, Elizabeth, I'm coming again, Elizabeth, just the

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Speaker 4: Bulls the top.

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Speaker 3: Eastern Conference six one down, twenty four points.

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Speaker 4: Last night Tony were the Bulls to the Philadelphia seventy

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Speaker 4: six ers. Josh Giddy with a triple double in consecutive games,

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Speaker 4: the first Bulls player to do that since his airness

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Speaker 4: Michael Jeffrey Jordan the last Bull to go triple double

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Speaker 4: in back to back games, which says a lot about

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Speaker 4: the state of the franchise, especially can sad Derek rowse

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Speaker 4: MVP season that that never happened.

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Speaker 2: But fun game too because the Sixers are really good

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Speaker 2: as well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's obviously an Eastern Conference Finals preview.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 4: And I can't get enough of Chicago Bulls basketball right now.

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Speaker 4: This it's fun again, fun rooting, and they're gonna break

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Speaker 4: my heart, but it's gonna it's fun right now.

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Speaker 2: They're a top the East Oklahoma city they may never lose.

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Speaker 2: They're atop the West at eight. No, the Spurs are

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Speaker 2: five and one, and the Lakers, without Lebron and without

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Speaker 2: a couple of games with Luca, are.

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Speaker 3: Still six and two. So it's fun.

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Speaker 2: It's a good start to the NBA season, and it's

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Speaker 4: It's it's a reference to the Jefferson I remember when

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Speaker 4: I went to Chicago, Gosh, probably ten years ago. I

625
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 4: don't know if I've told this story before, but the

626
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 4: Bulls were good then, and they had Kyle not Kyle Schwarber.

627
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Speaker 4: They had Kyle Korbwarber, who was one of my favorite players.

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Speaker 4: And Stacy King had these famous sayings he would make

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Speaker 4: on the call, and one of them was give me

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Speaker 4: to hot sauce. And that's when Kyle Korver would hit

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Speaker 4: threes or any big three and he would say, give

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Speaker 4: me to hot sauce. And I go into this store

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Speaker 4: in Chicago, this bull store, and I buy a T

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Speaker 4: shirt that says give me to hot Sauce. It's got

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Speaker 4: hot sauce all over it. And I buy a Kyle

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Speaker 4: Korver shersey. All right, Oh, this is like July of

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Speaker 4: twenty July of twenty fourteen. I'm fired up like Bulls.

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Speaker 4: Let's go. Two weeks later, Kyle Korver got traded. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: this is a dark memory for me. But speaking of addition,

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Speaker 4: when do you think the Schwarber deal will be announced

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Speaker 4: here in Cincinnati?

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00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 3: I would assume tonight on the Hot Stove League. Okay,

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00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 3: that's a good time for us. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: One other Trey Hendrickson note this according to Jeremy Fowler

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Speaker 2: and Dan Graziano. They listed players that that were traded,

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Speaker 2: noteworthy players that weren't traded, and just some of the

647
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 2: fallout from the trade deadline. It's interesting what they say

648
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:14,240
Speaker 2: about Trey Hendrickson here Austin. This is from Jeremy Fowler.

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00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 2: Tuesdays seemed poised for edge rusher movement, but teams decided

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Speaker 2: to hold with their pass rushers. And speaking of Cincinnati,

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Speaker 2: the three and six Bengals had a more than compelling

652
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Speaker 2: case to move Hendrickson teams. I spoke to believe Cincinnati

653
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Speaker 2: wanted a second rounder for him. Dallas considered that to

654
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Speaker 2: be too steep. Dan Graziano says, I don't blame the Cowboys,

655
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Speaker 2: especially once the price for the less accomplished Phillips turned

656
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Speaker 2: out to be a third round. That's Jalen Phillips. As

657
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Speaker 2: devastating as the past two losses have been for the Bengals.

658
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Speaker 2: Listen to this, they have reason to believe. It's not

659
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Speaker 2: all lost. Two and a half games behind the Steelers,

660
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Speaker 2: that is twenty eighth in the league in total offense

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Speaker 2: and a seven plus point differential. The Bengals have a

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Speaker 2: head to head victory over Pittsburgh and played both games

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Speaker 2: against Baltimore still on their schedule. They're everaging thirty eight

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Speaker 2: points a game. Joe Flock since Joe Flacco took over

665
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Speaker 2: took over, So maybe there's part of that. Maybe the

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Speaker 2: inside the organization they legitimately think they can crawl back

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Speaker 2: into this. But the more interesting part about this the

668
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Speaker 2: Bengals were willing or wanted a second rounder for Trey Hendrickson,

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Speaker 2: which means they at least moved off that first round number.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think that that you would have had

671
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Speaker 4: to or else it just was never going to happen.

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Speaker 4: There has to be some sort of belief within the building. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: that there is a path. It's hard to say it was,

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Speaker 4: but like that's the only way that it makes sense

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Speaker 4: that or Mike Brown is being stubborn, which is absolutely

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Speaker 4: a possibility.

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Speaker 3: We've known him to be that way.

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Speaker 4: In the pasture, and so you know, as ridiculous as

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Speaker 4: it is, it's Wednesday and muscle memory on Wednesdays as

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Speaker 4: you start looking for how you can start winning the

681
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Speaker 4: game the next Sunday. Right, I'm walking around my house

682
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Speaker 4: this morning, and I'm thinking, you know, if they beat

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Speaker 4: Pittsburgh out of the bottom, oh no, oh no, they're

684
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Speaker 4: three and oh in the AFC North. But then I remember, oh, yeah,

685
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Speaker 4: they gave up one thousand points over the last two weeks,

686
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Speaker 4: so they're yes, they're not.

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Speaker 2: Going but let me tell you this, by this time

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Speaker 2: next week, we'll be doing that. By Wednesday next week, Well,

689
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Speaker 2: they just beat Pittsburgh and then you know, New England

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00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 2: still a chance coming into Cincinnati, so just get ready

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Speaker 2: for that.

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Speaker 4: By the way, I've made everybody mad. It's Sandford and Son,

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Speaker 4: not the Jeffersons. Oh gosh, I apologize. It's good to

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Speaker 4: always know people are listening. I apologize. It is good

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Speaker 4: to know that Tim and Skip and lou Yep, they

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Speaker 4: jumped on that. They're all over that, like jump on

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Speaker 4: these phone lines, Tim and Skip and Louis. We'll get

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Speaker 2: We're rolling along our number one of since E three

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Speaker 2: join us at two. We'll talk a little about UK basketball.

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Speaker 2: You hear a little what Mark Pope had to say

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Speaker 2: after their season opening win against Nichols last night. We've

716
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Speaker 2: got to talk out of the bye week for the

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Speaker 2: Bengals and the Cincinnati Bearcats. Three things they can improve on.

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Speaker 2: Hypothetical if Duke Tobin were to speak during a bye

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Speaker 2: week that falls during the trade deadline, what kind of

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Speaker 2: questions would Duke Tobin receive? And we'll talk to you

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Speaker 2: throughout the afternoon five, one, three, seven thirty.

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Speaker 3: Brian is calling in. What's up, Brian?

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Speaker 7: Oh, not too much? How you doing, Tony?

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Speaker 3: Good?

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Speaker 5: Good?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm calling about the good old Angles and thanks

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Speaker 7: for the comedy about them having still and I have

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Speaker 7: a shot of I don't know what that dash reporter

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Speaker 7: is on. I mean, come on, come on, they are

730
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Speaker 7: no chance they're not anything this year. So my question

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Speaker 7: is about this draft. So they drafted these guys with

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Speaker 7: these measurables but no production. Why don't we do it

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Speaker 7: opposite and just draft people on production, Like let's say

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Speaker 7: top five at SEC schools, the best defensive players available

735
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Speaker 7: out of those five schools, and these deductions this year,

736
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Speaker 7: just draft him. I bet you can play.

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Speaker 5: Yep.

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Speaker 7: You don't have to develop him, He's already developed. What

739
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Speaker 7: do you know, magic? Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think one of the biggest examples of this for

741
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Speaker 2: this season is what Jack Sawyer is doing with the

742
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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Steelers. I watched more Ohio State than I have

743
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Speaker 2: last year. Jack Sawyer showed up in every game that

744
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Speaker 2: you watched, and yet you get to the combine and it's, well,

745
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Speaker 2: I don't think he's fast enough. I don't think his

746
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Speaker 2: lateral movement is what it needs to be. He's got

747
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Speaker 2: fifteen tackles on the year, He's already got a sack,

748
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Speaker 2: he's got two tackles for a loss, he's defended three passes,

749
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Speaker 2: and he has an interception on the year. You don't

750
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Speaker 2: have to be an NFL draft expert to turn on

751
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Speaker 2: a game on Saturdays and say, man, that guy can play,

752
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Speaker 2: regardless of what level they're at. I would rather go

753
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Speaker 2: into a season knowing I have that versus Well, here's

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Speaker 2: a guy who had four and a half sacks in

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Speaker 2: his collegiate career, but his measurables are through the roof.

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Speaker 7: Well, a lot of productions in between the ears. I mean,

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Speaker 7: just defensive side. A lot about you know, taking the

758
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Speaker 7: correct line, taking the correct decision, keep your eyes in

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Speaker 7: correct place. It's not even about measurables. It's about being

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Speaker 7: smart and knowing how to play football. It doesn't mean

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Speaker 7: like measurables don't matter if you don't do the right thing,

762
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Speaker 7: Like if you run the right wrong way, what are

763
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Speaker 7: you doing? You're just running the wrong way really fast.

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Speaker 7: How is that helping the team? I mean, it's it's

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Speaker 7: this is as nine. I mean, I just don't understand

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Speaker 7: how they thought like they went away when when they

767
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Speaker 7: were doing well. They drafted players that were proven, players

768
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Speaker 7: that were good, and now they're trying to develop developmental

769
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Speaker 7: players to what the Beat tries how smart they are,

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Speaker 7: They're not that smart. Just pick players that can play.

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Speaker 7: It's it's not hard. I'm just I'm I saw I

772
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Speaker 7: don't know, I saw you what six weeks ago and

773
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Speaker 7: I still have no hope, Tony. I mean, this is

774
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Speaker 7: this is unbelievable. It's it's the most frustrating thing to

775
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Speaker 7: be a fan of this team in this city when

776
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 7: we know we just we're hopeless. We are hopeless as

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Speaker 7: Cincinnati Bengals fan. And I just don't know how people

778
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Speaker 7: continue to go to the games and give them money.

779
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 7: I really don't. But that's their business, that's their money.

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Speaker 7: I don't care. I just know I don't do that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Brian, thank you for the phone call.

782
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Speaker 3: Man. Appreciate that look.

783
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Speaker 2: And I get often like Jack Sawyer was what a

784
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Speaker 2: fourth round pick somewhere around there, so a lot of

785
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Speaker 2: teams passed on him. But the general consensus is if

786
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Speaker 2: I watch a team and a guy on Saturdays and

787
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Speaker 2: they play at a high level, I'm more interested in

788
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Speaker 2: having that and bringing that to a Sunday more so

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Speaker 2: than all the measurables are through the roof. The production

790
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Speaker 2: might not be there, but the measurables are crazy. I'd

791
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Speaker 2: rather just watch a dude that plays, and I'm like,

792
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 2: that guy is a football player. That guy can go

793
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Speaker 2: get it. And if you watched Ohio State last year,

794
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Speaker 2: Jack Sawyer made plays every game. That to me, okay,

795
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Speaker 2: can he make plays on Saturdays in a good conference,

796
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Speaker 2: then he can make plays on Sundays. I feel like

797
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 2: this organization has relied too much on what measurables upside

798
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Speaker 2: or we can develop into that. They're not great at developing.

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Speaker 2: John Ross was picked years ago because he ran the

800
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Speaker 2: fastest forty at the combine. Shamar Stewart is a physical freak.

801
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 2: Miles Murphy measurable wise, looks like one of the best

802
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Speaker 2: pass rushers in the league. The problem is the production's

803
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Speaker 2: not there to match it. And if the production's not there, Austin,

804
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 2: then what are you relying on as an organization development scheme?

805
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 2: And this team has fallen short on those as well.

806
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:43,959
Speaker 2: So I wouldn't mind adjusting the philosophy and saying there's

807
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 2: an upside there, But why didn't they have more production

808
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 2: in three years at college. This guy man, he produced

809
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 2: every opportunity he had, every time he was on the field,

810
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 2: he produced. I would rather have that than buying on

811
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Speaker 2: upside anymore. I from the bank. And maybe that's one

812
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Speaker 2: of those fundamental shifts when it comes to the draft

813
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Speaker 2: in the future that they can look at.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a break. Our two is next.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a look at what the Bengals, and let's

816
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Speaker 2: take a look at what the Bearcats can improve upon

817
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 2: coming out of their bye weeks. And I know there's

818
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 2: you know, maybe more for the Bengals and the Bearcats.

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Speaker 2: Let's try to limit it to three each. We'll take

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