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Speaker 1: To the people closest to the biggest issues happening in

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Speaker 1: by investigative journalist Julie K. Brown.

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Speaker 2: The Justice Department through I think we counted four presidential

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Speaker 2: administrations failed these victims.

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Speaker 2: All right, Billy Cunning and the Great America. Welcome to soone,

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Speaker 2: rainy and grizzly Monday Afternner in the tri State. Of course,

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Speaker 2: we have the big issues with Iran. We're going to

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Speaker 2: cover that well. We have calls into mayor of Shiloh, Israel.

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Speaker 2: Also jima As saw Me. I had her on about

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Speaker 2: two weeks ago. She's an Iranian. We're going to connect

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Speaker 2: with her, we think, at some point, but until then.

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Speaker 2: Reverfront Live was a venue well known to many in

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Speaker 2: this building because many music events were there, and I

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Speaker 2: guess Saturday night, Sunday morning DJ Fresh, DJ Fresh, one

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Speaker 2: birthday party going on and at the end of the

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Speaker 2: evening there were at least ten shots far maybe more,

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Speaker 2: and there were nine people that were wounded. Take into

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Speaker 2: the hospital. They appeared to be alive and are going

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Speaker 2: to make it. This is one of several events in

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Speaker 2: River City recently in which there were large gatherings at

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Speaker 2: events like on Elm Street, in which we had several

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Speaker 2: calls to Elm Street. Then the police set up a

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Speaker 2: substation out in front of that facility, the sub I

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Speaker 2: went by it a couple of times. The police had

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Speaker 2: a substation in front of a tavern bar that was

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Speaker 2: the side of many shootings. Joanan, you and I now,

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Speaker 2: of course, is Ken Coober, head of the FOP. Sergeant Cober.

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Speaker 2: Welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show, and first of all,

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Speaker 2: to go back in time just a little bit. What

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Speaker 2: happened in the Elm Street situation in which you had

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems to have calmed down.

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Speaker 4: I think they finally removed the mobile command van from there.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, fortunately that these things have to occur.

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Speaker 2: You have a mobile command band in front of your

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Speaker 2: eight hundred people inside holds about fifteen hundred. The owner,

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Speaker 2: Tim Jordan, I've seen him give interviews. He looked like

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Speaker 2: Saturday night and Sunday morning that the owner paid for

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Speaker 2: that seemingly did not work as well as he would like.

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Speaker 4: What happened, Well, they have officers there that are there

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Speaker 4: primarily function is like the perimeter outside the parking lot,

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Speaker 4: to make sure that you know the people aren't out

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Speaker 4: not shooting at each other. It is not the responsibility

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Speaker 3: For a liquor establishment. If that makes sense.

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Speaker 4: I mean it's it's why you go downtown any given weekend.

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Speaker 4: If a detail, your bar has a detail, you're going

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Speaker 4: I think it called to come in there to deal

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Speaker 4: They don't pat people down for guns. You know, that

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Speaker 4: No, we actually have a specific procedure when it specifically

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Speaker 3: That's not the function of the police.

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Speaker 2: You don't have them in custody, so you anticipate you said,

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Speaker 2: there may be an arrests shortly. Was there one or

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Speaker 4: I mean I've seen kind of what everybody else has seen.

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Speaker 2: Well, the mayor indicates that it's unacceptable, which is his

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Speaker 2: fifty thousand Americans die in cars vehicular accidents DUIs every year.

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Speaker 2: So how do you respond to her comments that those

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Speaker 4: Well, I think a lot of the things that the

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Speaker 4: many many other Americans that are responsible gun owners, carry

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Speaker 4: That is absolutely true. And I'm sure once we find

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Speaker 3: Because people don't just.

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Speaker 4: Wake up one day and decide, you know what, I'm

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Speaker 3: It just doesn't start that way. That's not how you

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Speaker 2: Likely not. And sincere Greegs becomes to mind and that

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Speaker 2: It's not the FBI, it's not the Marshall Service. What

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Speaker 2: That wasn't the case and Sergeant Cobrat, this is not political.

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Speaker 2: that Gregsby got like two years of probation and within

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Speaker 2: a few weeks he was outside, shall we say, sticking

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Speaker 2: you've been around for twenty five to thirty years. What's

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Speaker 3: No, no, you're you're absolutely right.

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Speaker 4: You know, twenty five years ago, you know, you go

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Speaker 3: Now none of that happens. Now.

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Speaker 4: You know, we have people that you'll catch a murder

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Speaker 4: It's called judges that are letting people out with little

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Speaker 4: And I value even bet you that this this summer

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Speaker 2: The city of Cincinnati has had nineteen mass shootings in

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Speaker 4: No, without a doubt, the only way that any of

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Speaker 4: you're getting voted out. We're seeing it every election cycle

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Speaker 3: That's the only way that this changes.

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Speaker 2: Judge Wendy Cross took a condemned killer on death row

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Speaker 2: any idea what they'll They want to extend them to

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Speaker 2: making a lot of money, no question about that. But nonetheless,

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Speaker 2: what was the latest on Thiji?

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Speaker 3: Now? City Hall punted for another month.

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Speaker 4: Now, They've got till the end of March to be

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Speaker 2: What they have to find something. They have to find

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Speaker 2: doesn't mean to mean Adam Henny at all. Even though

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean this is this is part of the problem.

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Speaker 4: Hit people shooting at each other at Fountain Square, and

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Speaker 3: We don't care that.

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Speaker 4: He's a convicted felon that he can't carry going to

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Speaker 3: It's just it's mind boggling.

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Speaker 4: It's almost like we don't have juries to make decisions anymore.

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Speaker 4: We don't have judges that are going to make decisions,

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Speaker 2: Lastly, ATF has offered a five thousand dollars reward. A

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Speaker 2: Are Cincinnati cups cooperating with ICE vice versa at this

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I can tell you right now, if an

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Speaker 4: That's that's not the purpose of local law enforcement. But

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Speaker 2: That happens in Minneapolis all the time. In fact, you

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Speaker 2: not yet, shall we say, progressive leftist who want to

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Speaker 2: I fear that the Adam Hennies, the thigis the ken

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Speaker 4: Unfortunately, it is not far away, you know. I hope

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Speaker 3: Sworn to uphold.

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Speaker 4: And if, my god, if I saw a policeman drive

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Speaker 3: That is nonsense.

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Speaker 2: Well, Cincinnati seems to be saying that federal law doesn't

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Speaker 2: cohesively together. Look like a fish, you have maybe four

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Speaker 2: But in Minneapolis, if an ice official is in trouble

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's funny because we have officers that

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Speaker 4: What I mean, it's it's it's unfathomable, you know. But

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Speaker 3: With ICE and being out on the streets or if you.

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Speaker 4: Have you know, county jails that will actually honor detainers. Right,

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Speaker 4: That's really that simple, because then ICE isn't running around

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Speaker 3: It was much much safer.

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Speaker 4: But now you're asking people, no, we're not we're not

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Speaker 4: things happen. When you have people that want to resist,

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Speaker 2: Well, Kenkober, city councils bringing about what they seek to avoid.

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Speaker 2: They say they want a safe community. Their policies cause

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Speaker 2: just the opposite. Ken Cober, you're a great American. And

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Speaker 2: thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show this Monday afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thanks for having me. Bolt always a good time.

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