1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: Shelby here is joining us now on the KA Commas 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: Beard Health Hotline. Shall be my friend. Good to chat 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: with you. What a wed of the Steelers? Man, How 4 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: are you? 5 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 2: I'm doing great, always way better after a w How 6 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:12,479 Speaker 2: are you doing? 7 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,319 Speaker 1: I'm doing great? Man. Although it's funny because we were 8 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: having fun talking yesterday about how you were being accosted, 9 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,440 Speaker 1: you were being hugged, you were being mugged out there 10 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:25,240 Speaker 1: when you got that batted pass of the the line 11 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: on a key moment late in the fourth quarter. Your 12 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: wife after the fact say, you know, hey, listen, tell 13 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: that guy that that he's a taken man. 14 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 2: Like that's my man. Like that no, like nobody gets 15 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 2: nobody gets to hold mind man, but me, baby, I 16 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 2: got you. That was that was not There was no 17 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 2: consent on that hug. 18 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: There's no consent on that hug. Yeah, I don't know. 19 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: You know, we sometimes get into the hole. Well, there's 20 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: holding on every play and it can happen all the time. 21 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: What what are you missing when you missed that hole 22 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: and the fact that you were able to steal bat 23 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: that pass was tremendous. 24 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 2: You know, I think I'm just going to think that 25 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 2: there they were watching Miles hoping he got the record 26 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 2: that place and play that where their eyes were. 27 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: It's got to be that. There is no other explanation. 28 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: I mean, you can see both arms around on your back, 29 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: like what else? What else do you gotta do? A 30 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: full bear hug, full bear hug? 31 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 2: You know, all of cool. We got to win and 32 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 2: that's all that matters. 33 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: That's all that matters. That's right, scoreboard and then listen, 34 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: it's a big win. Steelers needed that game. Now they 35 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: put themselves at risk playing the Baltimore Ravens this week 36 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: for a win and get in. But I wanted to 37 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 1: say with the Browns for a second here, because it 38 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: did seem man, it did seem like and Miles said 39 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: it too, that a lot of the Steelers game plan 40 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: was let's just not let Miles get the record. Did 41 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: you guys really feel that way? 42 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 2: Many said they were on the steel talking about like 43 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 2: you're not going to get the record on me. You're 44 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: worried about that, and you need this win to clinch, 45 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 2: and now you will only focus. 46 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 3: On Miles not getting the record. And I don't know 47 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 3: if there has anything in and I just I don't 48 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 3: know this has anything to do with because their TJ 49 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 3: Watt a Steeler as that record. Also, you know you're 50 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 3: trying to make it, that's out on them, but now 51 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 3: you've not even making the playoffs. Did you end up 52 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 3: playing a Lamar Jackson raisin seeing that it seems to 53 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 3: be ascending? 54 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 2: So you were so focused on Miles not getting this record, 55 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 2: but in reality, like and we just the proof is 56 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,559 Speaker 2: in the put in. There was no type of downfield 57 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 2: passing game that they even attempted. They even tried to 58 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 2: develop that downfield passing game. So it was just idea 59 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 2: is that they were more focused with Miles not getting 60 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 2: the record instead of trying to really just get that win. 61 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: That's what it felt like to me too. So I 62 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: wonder because I heard Miles after the game saying that, 63 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: And I said that on Monday yesterday to Nick and 64 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: He's like, oh, no way, no way, the Pittsburgh Steelers 65 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 1: would focus that much attention on it. I'm like, I 66 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: don't know, man, you watch that game. To me, just 67 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 1: watching from the TV copy, it certainly felt like everything 68 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: they were doing was trying to keep him away from 69 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, and to their detriment, they scored six points 70 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:17,799 Speaker 1: in the game, and so I. 71 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,519 Speaker 2: Guess the biggest thing I noticed was, you know, Aaron 72 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,239 Speaker 2: Rodgers already throws the ball really quick. Yep, well we 73 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 2: all know that he already he already knows what defense, 74 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 2: what you're in, and he knows where he wants to 75 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 2: go with the ball and when he wants to take shots. 76 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 2: It just felt like this was even faster and it 77 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 2: didn't just feel like that. The stats kind of provement 78 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 2: that the time to throw was the prod I think 79 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 2: the fastest of the season by far, and it just 80 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 2: it just really didn't help their offense that much, especially 81 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 2: when they were already injured at receiver. So it's not 82 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 2: like they had their guys that could break tackles in 83 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 2: go for eighty. You know, they didn't have a DK. Yes, 84 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 2: they didn't have a talvianas that game. And so already 85 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 2: you're you're, you're, you're already behind me the eight ball, 86 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 2: and you really didn't, like, you know, you didn't do 87 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 2: your stuff. 88 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: Any favors, no doubt about it. Shelby Harris joining us, 89 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: so we're we're debating something yesterday when it comes to 90 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: Miles Garrett trying to get the sack record coming up 91 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: against the Bengals. Now, I don't know if these are 92 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: split second decisions you guys can make, because a half 93 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: sack will get him tied for the record, but obviously 94 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: a full sack gets him the record. Do you guys 95 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: on the defensive line and pass rush is there, just like, hey, 96 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: if it's close, you gotta like keep your hands like 97 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:34,559 Speaker 1: away from the quarterback because because maybe he's swinging around 98 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 1: on the other side. Like I mean, it's it's all 99 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: split second. It's not like you're intending to share the 100 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: sack with Miles Garrett. But you guys think about that 101 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 1: at all. 102 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 2: Well, you know how hard it is to get sacked 103 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 2: and this right, and how hard it is to get 104 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 2: sacked with Miles Garrett next to him, Like, we don't 105 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 2: have the privilege to be like, you know, Miles, you're 106 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 2: gonna have that right because he takes all of them 107 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 2: already in the first place. We gotta go get ours 108 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 2: while we came, and it just splitting them with Miles. 109 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 2: It's splitting them with Miles. I know he understands too. 110 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 2: It's it's the way we always look at it. And 111 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 2: you're asking me any team it's a race as a quarterback. 112 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 2: Sometimes it's a tip, but we obviously want Miles to 113 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 2: break that record, but also we're all competitors at the 114 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 2: same time. We want to get there too. We're trying 115 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,239 Speaker 2: to get there every place. It's just that he's a freak, 116 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 2: and he gets served for us over twenty fives a year, 117 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 2: so that's just a natural part about mouths. But everybody's 118 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 2: still trying to go out there, rest and passes. All 119 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 2: these stats matter. We're all trying to make this season, 120 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,239 Speaker 2: SAT wise look as good as possible. But obviously Miles 121 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 2: is fighting for history and we want them to get it. 122 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. No, and I know that, and we've talked quite 123 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: a few times and it listen, it's not the season 124 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: you guys hoped for, but that would be a little 125 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 1: bit of a feather in the cap. He's gonna win 126 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: Defensive Player of the Year at this point. I mean, 127 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 1: I can't imagine anybody else even in the conversation. But 128 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: still but still for you guys, I know along the 129 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 1: defensive line, for the defense, what he means to you, 130 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: I know it means a lot. And you got this 131 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 1: Bengals game coming in now, Nick Ferguson, and you won't 132 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 1: be surprised to hear this. Nick Ferguson tried to make 133 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: the argument that Miles should bribe the Bengals offensive line. 134 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, he can get there on his own. He 135 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 1: doesn't need to bribe anybody. I couldn't believe a player 136 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 1: would stoop to that level and try to talk about 137 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: integrity and then say, well, but you know, fifty thousand dollars, 138 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: maybe that'll get it done. I think that is just 139 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: absolute insanity. Do you agree, Well, try. 140 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 2: To see that Michael straight hand route. Yeah, I get it, 141 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 2: I get it, But I would say you that Miles 142 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 2: would never go for that. You know, I think all 143 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 2: point plus of assads this year have been hard earned, 144 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 2: and I really can to say I have not seen 145 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 2: teams change their game plan up every week like they 146 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 2: have the last couple of weeks to try to top Miles. 147 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 2: I'm talking about like even against the Bears, against you know, 148 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 2: against the Bills, like you know, dotsh Allen had his 149 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 2: lowest tasting total pre season against US because no one's 150 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 2: trying to drop back and throw the ball, and so 151 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 2: no matter what happens like this next game, this is 152 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 2: still by far the most impressive season I've ever seen 153 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 2: in the NFL. I just really want people to understand 154 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 2: like that, like teams are really not running their plays 155 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 2: because of this man. They're not even going into their 156 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 2: playbook because of this man in the way he's rushing. 157 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 2: And I don't think anybody's ever had that type of 158 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 2: impact on a game before as a defensive end. 159 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely right, Shelby Harris joining us here. 160 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: So I don't even know how to ask you this question, 161 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna kind of ask it. You've played 162 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: against the Ravens and the Steelers now twice. I don't 163 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: know who you think wins this weekend. I mean not 164 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: rooting interest, I don't. You're never going to root for 165 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: a team in your division, But who do you who 166 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: do you think is going to have the upper hand 167 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: of that game? 168 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 2: Who would win? If the time? Really know who would 169 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 2: have the type break? 170 00:07:56,160 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: Oh boy, that's a great question. I would I think 171 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: the Steelers. The Steelers right now are in that spot 172 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: right so like as we sit here in this moment, 173 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: the Steelers are the four seeds, So my guess would 174 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: be they would win. 175 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the Steelers would The Steelers would have to 176 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 2: upbrands at the toime. 177 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, because they're nine Yeah, they're ninety seven. Of course 178 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: they would. Yeah, so they'd be nine seven and one 179 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: and the Ravens would be eight eight and one. So yeah, 180 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: it doesn't there's not even a tiebreaker there. This is 181 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: a yeah, so Steelers in that case. 182 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 2: In that case, only because they're making me choose, and 183 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:34,559 Speaker 2: because Denver's former d lion and Draymond Jones is on 184 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 2: the Ravens, I have would I would say, I want 185 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 2: to see Draymond in the playoffs. Yeah, that's my dogs 186 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 2: having a great year after the trades and Tennessee really 187 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 2: has been a game changer for the Ravens on the 188 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 2: edge and which is a different look than but we 189 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 2: saw him in Denver. It was an inside player in Denver. 190 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 2: It's very rare we see a guy go from inside 191 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 2: to outside and be effective. But I would love to 192 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 2: see Draymond have a productive postseason run, go out there 193 00:08:59,080 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 2: and get a whole nother. 194 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: You know, I could get behind that. I mean, we 195 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,839 Speaker 1: don't have necessarily a rooting interest out here, although I 196 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: will say conceptually easier path might be playing the Steelers 197 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: in the postseason and the Ravens. The Ravens are kind 198 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 1: of coming on defensively and with their run game, so 199 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: they could be a little more dangerous in the postseason. 200 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: So I guess for Broncos fans, if there is a 201 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: rooting interest, it'd probably be the Steelers. But I like, 202 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: I like that argument, and I would say, I mean, 203 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: there's a reason the Ravens are favored, honestly in this one. 204 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think there's Ravens team. They're really starting 205 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 2: to hit their stride, and if they win this one, 206 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 2: I'll be worried for anyone that has to play them 207 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 2: in the playoffs. They're getting they're starting to hit their 208 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 2: stride a little bit. They're starting to kind of you do, 209 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 2: and in this without Lamar Jackson, you know what I mean, 210 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 2: like the snoops that going out there and really done 211 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 2: a great job of getting the offense around, like really 212 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 2: just being the game manager. And then Derre Henry's really 213 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 2: come on strong. So I don't think, you know, you 214 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 2: substitute Tyler Huntley for Lamar jacks You're terrified right now. 215 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,199 Speaker 2: So yeah, if I was the Broncos up the jet, like, 216 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 2: if I had to play anyone, I'm definitely chosing the 217 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 2: Steelers over the Ravens is because any time you play 218 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson, he can go all the way. He's gonna 219 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 2: fix any time he touches the ball, and that's the 220 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 2: trait that not many players have. So it's the dangerous 221 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 2: the ability that he brings, especially in like a playoff game, 222 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,079 Speaker 2: that's just not something you want to have to deal with. 223 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 2: And it scifles the pass rush. So that's not the 224 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 2: team you if anyone else they want to see it 225 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 2: as a win. But the Ravens, I feel like are 226 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:35,959 Speaker 2: going to be that team one hundred percent. 227 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: Shelby Harris joining us. I don't know if you have 228 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: a chance to watch the Broncos Chiefs game on Christmas Night, 229 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: but in that game, the Broncos had four drives of 230 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: fourteen plays or more. What does that do for a 231 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: defensive line? What a team is just moving the ball 232 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 1: like that? 233 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 2: You know how exhausting it is as a d lineman 234 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 2: to sub out and then have to sub back in 235 00:10:56,520 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 2: in the same drive. It's mentally it's mentally mentally defeating. 236 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 2: That means usually, like you know, you go four, five, 237 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 2: six plays, you come out four play like three plays 238 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 2: and you still go in for another four, five, six. 239 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 2: That's that's mentally defeating. It's exhausting. We only get you know, 240 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 2: you only get so many players available on game day 241 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 2: that you run through your whole D line in that 242 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 2: drive and it's so hard to gain your stamina back, 243 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 2: so hard to catch your breath, and all it does 244 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 2: is just wear down on you. But I'll tell you this, 245 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 2: if I'm a fan, that's playoff football right there. That's 246 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 2: the epitome of playoff football. Is riding the team down 247 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 2: and and and really just trying to make them quit. 248 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 2: And that's what those long drives do to defenses. 249 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: Let me ask you, like what you've seen in the Broncos, 250 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: I mean over the course of the season. Again, you're 251 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: playing in your own season, so I'm not expecting you 252 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: to know the ins and outs of every single game. 253 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 1: But what you've seen from the Broncos, are there things 254 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: that you still would want to know about them heading 255 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: into the postseason? Like that maybe would would hold you 256 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: back from believing that they could be a contender. 257 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, just houting how much are they going to be 258 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 2: committed to the run game? And I think I think 259 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 2: that's everyone's question because ever since JK. Dobbins has been out, 260 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,079 Speaker 2: RG Hollvey. R J. Harvey stepped up tremendously, don't get 261 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 2: me wrong, but it's inconsistent at times. That the inconsistent 262 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 2: if they call it. So, I think the biggest thing 263 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 2: is are they going to be consistent run team? What 264 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 2: type of runs do you want to get? Because RJ. 265 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 2: Harvey and JK. Dobbins are two completely different backs. RJ. 266 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 2: Harvey is more outside to being cut. So my idea 267 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:39,599 Speaker 2: behind it is what is what is there going to 268 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 2: be their identity with the run game during the playoffs, 269 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,199 Speaker 2: And I think that's the one thing that Bracos kind 270 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 2: of have to figure out for themselves because that's what's 271 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 2: going to win them games when it's the four minute 272 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 2: drill in the fourth quarter, trying to waste the clock. 273 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 2: You've got to be able to, you know, to rely 274 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 2: on your bread and butter and what you do and 275 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 2: what your identity is. And so that's really going to 276 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 2: be the biggest thing for the Broncos figuring out at 277 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 2: offensive identities. 278 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: I think that's exactly right. I think for a lot 279 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: of Broncos fans that's where they're coming down on this thing. 280 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 1: I mean, we're wondering what kind of performance we'll get 281 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: out of bon Nicks, but he'd been playing overall better 282 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: football over the last month or so. I didn't want 283 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: to ask you a defensive question, though, because there's a 284 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 1: couple of sites that track these kinds of things, like 285 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: types of team coverages. And again, don't laugh at me. 286 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: I'm just going to ask you the question here. The 287 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: Broncos have been playing more zone over the last month 288 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: and a half than they have over the course of 289 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: the season. Is there a reason why a team? Is 290 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: it matchup based, is it performing? 291 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 2: What? 292 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: What would tenden to go into a team without knowing 293 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,839 Speaker 1: inside what's going outside the building? What would go into 294 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: a team deciding to play more zone than man as 295 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 1: they typically do? 296 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:58,079 Speaker 2: Of the defense? You know me because obviously run man, 297 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 2: you got to have all your all, your corner, all 298 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:05,439 Speaker 2: your corners, all if he's available, I'll say with zone, 299 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 2: though I do behind man, I guess also to it's 300 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 2: who are you playing at receiver? Do you do you 301 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 2: feel like there's some mispatches where your corners or safeties 302 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 2: might get exposed? Is there is there a speed heighten 303 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 2: that you don't want on a on a linebacker, and 304 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 2: so that's really the difference if you're trying to figure 305 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 2: out if you want to run man in the zone. 306 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 2: Now the Broncos zone, they switch it up because they 307 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 2: do a bunch of zone blitzes and they do random 308 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 2: man listen too, and they probably make a lot of 309 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 2: stuff look the same. And I do think with the 310 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 2: Broncos they have shown that I actually think they're better 311 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 2: man coverage and they get credit for they have some 312 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 2: like we know about past stember Riley Mouskts tried all 313 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 2: the time and even though he does get a couple 314 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 2: of penalties, he's mad. He makes plays, makes plays non five. 315 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 2: So you have to dance that corner to play man. 316 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 2: But I think what a lot of the the thing 317 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 2: that makes the Broncos defense so unpredictable is they have 318 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 2: a lot of exact glitters out of their zone, and 319 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 2: I think so in order for them to hit, they 320 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 2: have to be able to play zone behind themselves. And 321 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 2: that's really I feel like a big way of how 322 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 2: you have these free runners, and these free runners come 323 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 2: around you have in your sack record for the Broncos 324 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 2: right now is because you don't really know what you're 325 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 2: going to get. They show so many different looks and 326 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 2: a lot of stuff looks the same and they come 327 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 2: from different places, and that's who I think the benefits 328 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 2: of zone are. And I definitely believe that the Broncos 329 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 2: have the players to run both and that's actually their 330 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 2: best strengths. 331 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: Right And I'm one hundred percent with you. It's just 332 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: you know, you watch these trends and I think some 333 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: Broncos fans right now because teams are kind of moving 334 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: the ball against this defense a little bit more in 335 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: the last several weeks than we've used to see earlier 336 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: in the season, So people are kind of looking into. 337 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 2: Why why this is? Every defense you get figured out 338 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 2: at the end of the year, like everybody kind of 339 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 2: figures out what you struggled with by the end of 340 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 2: the year, and so then right for the playoffs, you 341 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 2: have to do a whole nother like recheck of your defense. 342 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 2: There's like our defense, we've been giving up brush yards 343 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 2: because teams have figured out how to like how to 344 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 2: hit us this year and we had to go and 345 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 2: try to adjust that. And so the more film that's 346 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 2: out on your defense, teams will find more creative ways 347 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 2: to hit youes. It doesn't matter. Like you can be 348 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 2: the best zone team man teams the first fifteen weeks. 349 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 2: These offensive minds, these people that are in the building, 350 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 2: they're going to find, you know, ways to figure you out. 351 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 2: And that just happened later. The longer you're in the season, 352 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 2: the more film that's up, the better, the more chance 353 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 2: that you're gonna get explosed. 354 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: Fascinating, fascinating. Okay, So then my last question on that 355 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: is what goes into maybe you can take us behind 356 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: the curtain a little bit until late season adjustments from 357 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator and a defensive staff. What goes into 358 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: some of those conversations on swing some of. 359 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 2: That up So you it's a cat and mouse game, 360 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,479 Speaker 2: is the best way I can explain it. So without 361 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 2: going into two specific of terms. You know, let's say 362 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 2: every time the linebacker's head up on the center, he 363 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 2: blitzes right, and that's something that kind of got figured 364 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 2: out towards the end of the year. Well, then you 365 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 2: would line them up there and you can blitch and 366 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 2: drop them out. Then that's how you end up getting 367 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 2: the pickers or making a big play. It's just going 368 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 2: against something that you've shown all year and defensive coaching. 369 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 2: In offensive coaches do this on purpose. They show you 370 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 2: something all years so that in counchtime when they need to, 371 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 2: they're gonna show it to you. You're gonna think, you 372 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 2: know what's gonna happen. The exact opposite is gonna happen, 373 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 2: and it's gonna be a big play. And I think 374 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 2: that's really what a lot of these offers to do. 375 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 2: It's all based on setting stuff up for later. So yes, 376 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 2: we'll allow you to see you know, these formations over 377 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 2: the gain, will allow you the things that we're going 378 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 2: to run, these same plays. The same with defus. We're 379 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 2: gonna line up one way. I'm going to show you 380 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 2: one to it this one way, and then week seventeen 381 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 2: in the in a wild part of playoffs, we're going 382 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 2: to show this to you and then we're going to 383 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 2: drop it in a completely different way and it's going 384 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 2: to confuse you, and it's going to be at one 385 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 2: of the most important times of the game, and it's 386 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 2: going to be a big play. 387 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: Very cool, Shelby. This has been a blast all season long. 388 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:25,239 Speaker 1: I having a chance to chat with you about not 389 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: only what you're doing with the Browns, but also about 390 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,439 Speaker 1: the rest of the NFL. Happy New Year to you, 391 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 1: my friend. All the best to you and your family, 392 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 1: and I hope, I hope we get to see it 393 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: here in studio here pretty soon. 394 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 2: I'll I'll be back soon, butro get wait to see 395 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 2: you guys. 396 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 1: I appreciate you man, good stuff, the best, Shelby hears.