1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: Anyway, I finished watching the Netflix documentary on nineteen eighty 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 1: The Miracle on Ice with all the surviving team members 3 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: of that USA gold medal winning team gathering on Lake 4 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: Placid forty five years later Craig Patrick to the legendary 5 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: Penguins general manager who was an assistant coach under Herb 6 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: Brooks with that team. 7 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 2: And the documentary was absolutely brilliant. 8 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: I will watch it a second and third and who 9 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: knows how many times it got across some things that 10 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: just well. 11 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 2: In the movie. 12 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: The movie was the movie with Kurt Russell bitten. You 13 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 1: got to understand to truly appreciate what. 14 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 2: Happened in nineteen eighty. 15 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 1: The documentary got across the state of the US then 16 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: the crisis of confidence unquote, and how that team was 17 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: the cure like Michael Rudniosi said, how can I pronounce 18 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: mispronounced Rizzo's name, like Mike Eruzioni said in the doc 19 00:00:56,240 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: we could use in nineteen eighty now unquote, And that's true, 20 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: except well, I'll get to that later. And the documentary 21 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 1: got across the nature of the Soviet team, how unbeatable 22 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 1: and how impossible Indiana went into college football playoff I've 23 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: heard that comparison, but there's no comparison. Nothing before since 24 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: comes close. Like I've said previously, Indiana would have to 25 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: beat the eighty five Chicago Bears for that to be comparable. Now, 26 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: I've said frequently the chemistry and leadership are overrated and 27 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 1: assigned after the fact. Do you never hear about a 28 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 1: good team with bad chemistry and leadership or vice versa. 29 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: But that team had all of the above, and it 30 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: was Herb Brooks, but not just her Brooks. 31 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 2: No team ever ever. 32 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: Has come together and maximized like that USA Hockey team 33 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty. The whole was not only greater than 34 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: the sum of the parts, but so much great. And 35 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: to be perfectly honest, you can judge that bybe how 36 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: many of those guys went on to real success in 37 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: the NHL. I mean, Jim Craig barely played, wasn't really 38 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: good enough at that level. Mark Johnson did real good. 39 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: We're trying to get him on the show. Ken Morrow 40 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 1: won those four Cups with the with the Islanders. You know, 41 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: Pavlots did okay, he since passed away, But that was 42 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: a unique group and you see that in the documentary. 43 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 2: Those guys together today. But yeah, Herb. 44 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: An absolute genius and my coach too. He coached everybody 45 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: and he was always right. That's maybe where I got 46 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 1: that from. That team took the best team in hockey 47 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: history and made it panic, twisted the Soviets into a pretzel. 48 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: They forgot to pull the goalie. They just plumb forgot. 49 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:08,959 Speaker 1: Nothing like that will ever happen again. Those circumstances don't exist. 50 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: No pros versus amateurs. Latvia ain't gonna win these Olympics. 51 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: Although shilloffs, you never know. And the Soviets then were 52 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: the evil Empire. We might be the evil empire now 53 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: we might be the heels. Those guys will live forever. 54 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: The documentary made me sad in a way. I think 55 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: about my friend Herb watching that. I remember when he 56 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: coached the Penguins and him bouncing stuff off me. Because 57 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: Herb would use you to think outside the box. I 58 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: always say that he asked me and Tom McMillan in 59 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: separate phone calls about a couple guys he was considering 60 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: for the ode To Olympic Game. But he didn't tell 61 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: us that. He just said, Hey, what do you think 62 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: about so and so? And we told him. And the 63 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: next thing, we know, those guys didn't make the team, 64 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: and they were kind of supposed to, you. 65 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 2: Know what I mean. The one guy didn't like I'll 66 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 2: take credit for getting him cut. 67 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: And I remember when Herb died and in that car 68 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 1: crash and I was in Vegas, I didn't have a 69 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: laptop with me, I was on vacation. I went to 70 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 1: a Kinkos and used a computer Treumble to write Herb's 71 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: oh bit for the Postcazette, and I just cried and cried. 72 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: I'm banned from that Kinkos now. But now it's mostly great. 73 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: I'm so glad that that documentary exists. And the sad 74 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: part is, well, it's a good kind of sad. But 75 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: what makes me really sad is this, and it should 76 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: make you sad too. ERUZIONI said, like I just mentioned, 77 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 1: we could use in nineteen eighty now, but that's not 78 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: possible now for reasons. I said, But even if you 79 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 1: could duplicate eight, we're not those people. 80 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 2: Anymore in America. 81 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: We're not because our country is a broken, divided, stupid 82 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:12,919 Speaker 1: bag of excrement now it is. Look around, neither side 83 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: has the answer even remotely so and neither intends to cooperate. 84 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: I fear that we're too far gone for a repeat miracle. 85 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: Even if the circumstances did dictate. If it happened, we 86 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: would absolutely ruin it your thoughts eight three three four 87 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: one two WSDX. One of Herb's big obstacles was, you know, 88 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 1: you had a bunch of guys from Minnesota in the Midwest, 89 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: and a bunch of guys from New England, and they 90 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: hated each other from playing each other in the NCAA tournament. 91 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 1: Herb made himself the common enemy. He was such a 92 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 1: prick and he could be. He had edge as a coach. 93 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: That's what made him great. That those guys hated him 94 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 1: and forgot all about hating each other. And I know 95 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: Herb was sorry he never got close to a lot 96 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: of those guys. He had ample opportunity to do so, 97 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: but I don't know that just wasn't Herb to go 98 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: back and do that. And then he passed. One thing 99 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 1: that really did my heart a lot of good was 100 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: Craig Patrick's all over this documentary, the legendary Penguins general manager, 101 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: the assistant coach on that team. The Miracle movie with 102 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 1: Kurt Russell Herb cooperated with that. That was not long 103 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: before he passed, and Kurt Russell knocked him off perfectly, 104 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,679 Speaker 1: just got him, got a little bit of the bite, 105 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 1: not as much as it was before, you know, when 106 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,799 Speaker 1: Herb coached that team, because you know, Kurt knew nice 107 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: old Herb. Like Rob mcclaney had said on this show 108 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 1: one time, you got to skip the hard part. But 109 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: Craig didn't cooperate because he just I don't know why 110 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: he said. He said to me, once I already lived that, 111 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: I didn't feel the need to live it again. But 112 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: he's all over this commentary. And the reason I think 113 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: is is that I think Craig over time got the 114 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: magnitude of what happened even more than it. 115 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 2: Was so obvious back then. 116 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: I think when you get older and you see that 117 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: stuff like that's impossible, now you realize what you did. 118 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 2: And here's the important part. 119 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: And somebody said this to me last night, Craig knows 120 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: he's the only guy left that can tell. 121 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 2: The story from Herb's point of view. 122 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: Because Craig was the assistant, He was the good cop 123 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: to Herb's bad cop, and he knew everything that had happened 124 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: on both sides. Really, he's unique in that regard because 125 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: Herb didn't know what happened in that locker room. Like 126 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: I said, he wasn't close to guys Craig did. Craig 127 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: was the bridge, And you know, I really believe that 128 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: without any one of those guys, they don't win the 129 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: gold medal because that's how much the hole was greater 130 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: on some of the parts. But Craig Patrick is definitely 131 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: in that mix, and even more so them both most Okay, well, 132 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: I ran it about that for a long time. If 133 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: you don't think that was better talk than the effing 134 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: Steelers coaching staff down the dial, f off, see you later, 135 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: because we're gonna be interesting here. We're always going to 136 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: be interesting here, Colin. Let me know what you think, 137 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: although I honestly won't care about that calls on the 138 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: fifteen ninety X tonight the rules I make. 139 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 2: How you liking nappyitch X at one. 140 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: Probably the biggest news of the day is Scoople getting 141 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: that thirty two million dollar arbitration award. That's in his 142 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: thirty year arbitration. Skeens will be in his first year 143 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: next year. But if Skeins gets thirty two mil. He'll 144 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: be traded no later than next year's trade deadline, and 145 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: maybe even the day after the award, because Notting just 146 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: isn't going to pay that to one player, not even 147 00:08:55,960 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: for one year. I think of it's an award above 148 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: like twenty two or twenty three. No, I think up 149 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: to twenty five you might keep them. Then again, I 150 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 1: don't know, look at what you're paying Keller. Maybe one 151 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: year at thirty two. 152 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 2: I don't know. 153 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: But Scooble and that award seems to confirm with anybody 154 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: with a brain should have known all along, and that 155 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: is that Skeens's time here is already ticking down. But 156 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,319 Speaker 1: now it's time for calls on the fifteens. We got 157 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: Josh Owey up next. By the way, let's go to 158 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: Mark Mark. You're on with Double M. 159 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 3: Today, mister Madden. I said, good day, Hey, I just 160 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 3: like how you brought the Factor team USNY documentary was great. 161 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember the moment I think 162 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 3: was great when Ken Morill read the letter to all 163 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 3: the other players that Herb had written him. I thought 164 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 3: that was one of the best moments of the documents. 165 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 1: Well, that that letter actually went to all the players. 166 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: I had known about that letter. That was in one 167 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: of the books I think Powers his book, John Powers 168 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: this book. But yeah, that was that was nice to 169 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: see Kenny read that to the guys on camera. In 170 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:15,319 Speaker 1: their reactions, it was a tremendous moment. Let's go to Max. Okay, 171 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: let's go to Jeff instead. Jeff, you're on with Double M. 172 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: Good day, Mark, I said, good day. 173 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 4: That was well said about the miracle on Ice. Would 174 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 4: you compare that victory against the Soviet Union during the 175 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 4: Cold War to kind of Mike Tomlin's success post twenty 176 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 4: twenty after the murder of George Floyd and all the 177 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 4: racial unrest in America? Would you say that's like a 178 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 4: good equivalent. 179 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: No, I don't think that's an equivalent at all. Let's 180 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: go to Dave in Pleasant Hills Day. You're on with 181 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: Double M. 182 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 5: Hey, Mark, how's it coming, Uncle Dougie fan. I just 183 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 5: want to say I was moved as much as you 184 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 5: by your statement earlier about the eighty team. You know USA, Right, 185 00:10:56,520 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 5: you go back to the Kevy's bug address, Right. I 186 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 5: wasn't there for that. This the one thing I'll point 187 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 5: out from my perspective, I don't know if it's true, 188 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 5: but I've often heard that after those guys all stood 189 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,439 Speaker 5: up on that gold metal podium, they all went their 190 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 5: separate ways and didn't get together for so many years. 191 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 2: That's that's not true. 192 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: They went to the White House together the very next day, 193 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: but it was okay. I'm not sure if there was 194 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: ever a full reunion, though I think it, you know, 195 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: initially that they just couldn't get all the guys together. 196 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: Mark Pavlich was kind of a loner and had some 197 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: mental problems, truth be told, and he died. I think 198 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: it's like twenty years ago. Maybe path passed away. I'm 199 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: not sure exactly. You know what's funny. I always hate 200 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: when people do this, but I just called Ken Marrow Kenny. 201 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: I just called Mark Pavlich pav And I hate when 202 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: people do that. But those guys were such heroes. You 203 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: feel like you know them, and they didn't need social 204 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: media to do that either. They just needed to do 205 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: what they did. Thank you for the call. Let's go 206 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: to the Egyptian Magician. Hello, my friend, how are you hey? 207 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 3: Mark? 208 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:19,439 Speaker 6: I was watching intensely the Islanders game, and I feel 209 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 6: good about this team. If this was a series of 210 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 6: playoff series. I knew. 211 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh win against the Island, however, yeah, because that's rarely 212 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,199 Speaker 1: happened in history. They're the Penguin's bogey team. But what 213 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: impressed you about that game? Because there were some things 214 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: that did, but there were many things that didn't. If 215 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: you want to talk about the Penguins the last month, 216 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,079 Speaker 1: then yeah, I'm kind of in your corner, But maybe 217 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: not just that game so much. 218 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 6: Exactly, because after losing to Senators, I wanted to see 219 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 6: how they're gonna play and they had to control up 220 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 6: the game all the way to except you know, Someta 221 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 6: and Goldie, except he himself. He has a good character. 222 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 1: He took the blame right the show, and Jari's done 223 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: nothing but make excuses at Edmonton. 224 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 2: You're right about that. 225 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: It's not only a better goalie we got in Stuart Skinner, 226 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,959 Speaker 1: but a better teammate of better everything. I'm a I'm 227 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: a big fan of stew despite that he wasn't very 228 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: good at Queen's. 229 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 2: A couple of nights ago. 230 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 1: Up next, good to talk hockey with Josh Shoey, who 231 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: is in Buffalo for tonight's game. 232 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:28,319 Speaker 2: I'm Mark Madden one O five to nine. 233 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:34,319 Speaker 1: Hey, find yourself needing a little post holiday cash. 234 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 2: I'm not sure. 235 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: Just big and it's soft, and I use a bunch 236 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,319 Speaker 1: of pillows and I swore the X at one fine 237 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: Penguins at Buffalo tonight, last game before the Olympic break. 238 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: Joining me not live from Buffalo from the Athletic He's 239 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: Penguins beat writer Josh Shoey. Josh, you just posted a 240 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: story that former Penguins GM Craig Patrick suffered a stroke. 241 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: What's the status on him? I've not yet had time 242 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: to look at the article. 243 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 7: Yeah, Mark, it happened a little over a month ago, 244 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 7: right after Christmas. Craig got a stroke at his home 245 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 7: and he's been in the hospital ever since, for about 246 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 7: five or six weeks now. And the good news is 247 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 7: it sounds like he's going to be able to come 248 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 7: home next week. I don't know how great his condition is, 249 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 7: but at least that's encouraging. And just from talking with 250 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 7: a lot of his old players today, Brian Trottier was 251 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 7: the very first person to go visit him in the hospital. 252 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 7: Mario has gone to see him, Kyle Dubas has gone 253 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 7: to see him. Very much a beloved and important figure 254 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 7: in the organization and Mark we still see him in 255 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 7: the press box all the time. He still works as 256 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 7: a scout for the Penguins in fact, so everybody is 257 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 7: really rallying behind him right now. 258 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 8: For sure. 259 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: I was glad Craig was a big part of the 260 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: Netflix documentary about the nineteen eighty team, for which he 261 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: served in his assistant coach under her Brooks. Because you know, 262 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: Craig didn't cooperate with the movie. He for whatever reason, 263 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: didn't want to relive it. But he was all over 264 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: the documentary and I thought came off admirably as you'd 265 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: figure because he was a big part of what happened, 266 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: and he's now the only person left that can tell 267 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: Herb's story because he was the only guy literally on 268 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: the inside, one hundred percent. 269 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 7: Yeah, And you know, Craig is such a quiet, reserved 270 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 7: person by nature. He's normally not comfortable in those settings, 271 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 7: but he really is. In the documentary, he was actually 272 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 7: really good, and I think for anybody who hasn't seen it, 273 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 7: you have to see it. 274 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 8: It's so good. 275 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 7: And to see him open up like that was important. 276 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 7: And you're right, I mean, Herb's been gone. It's hard 277 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 7: to believe Herb's been gone for more than twenty years now, 278 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 7: and Craig is the only other guy that could tell 279 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 7: that story, and he certainly told it very well. I've 280 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 7: got so many former Penguins like Kevin Stevens and Phil 281 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 7: Burke told me today like one of our favorite things 282 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 7: about Craig, like sometimes I'll just start telling us stories 283 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 7: from nineteen eighty in the Olympics, and like we just 284 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 7: sit around like a bunch of little kids listening, because 285 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 7: those stories just blow you away, even to this day. 286 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: Now, looking at the Penguins in tonight's game against Buffalo 287 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: and these last two games which they lost, the biggest 288 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: mystery right now is Sid. 289 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 2: Who's struggling. 290 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: He knows it. He seems rattled. It's a side of 291 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: Sid we don't often see. Although I would bet my 292 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:11,119 Speaker 1: life it's temporary. 293 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't think it will last for much longer. 294 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 7: He certainly hasn't been himself. I thought it started the 295 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 7: Sunday afternoon game in Vancouver a couple of weeks back. 296 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 7: He didn't really play well that game. And there have 297 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 7: been a couple of games Mark probably the Ottawa game 298 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 7: on Monday. That's maybe the worst game I've ever seen 299 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 7: him play. He couldn't do anything right. I thought he 300 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 7: was better against the Islanders, and I think having Brian 301 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 7: Russ back by his side certainly helped. He's obviously very 302 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 7: comfortable with him. But we do see with Sid. While 303 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 7: he's still one of the great players in the game, clearly, 304 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 7: I think the older he gets, he has a couple 305 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 7: of slumps like this every season, win for three or 306 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 7: four games, he just doesn't look right. And Sid being said, 307 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 7: he is one of the last guys on the ice 308 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 7: at the morning skate today. He was the last guy 309 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 7: off the ice the other day at the morning skate. 310 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 7: He's putting the X working because he knows he's not 311 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 7: comfortable with his game right now. 312 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 8: And I think it's probably only a. 313 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 7: Matter of time, and given his track record of success 314 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 7: in Buffalo over the years, wouldn't be shocked if he 315 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 7: breaks out tonight. 316 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 6: You know. 317 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 2: It's funny. 318 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 1: And I asked Sid this once and he looked at 319 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: me like I was insane. But I wondered his age 320 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: sometime if a rest would do him more good than 321 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 1: extra work. 322 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 7: But that's just not Sid's way, no, And he would 323 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 7: tell you the opposite. He always tells me. The more 324 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 7: he plays, typically the better he feels. He said, that's 325 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 7: why he loves the playoffs so much as every other day. 326 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,640 Speaker 7: He loves it. But that's a fair question. The schedule 327 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 7: is so ridiculously compressed right now. 328 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 8: Guys have to be tired. 329 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 7: This is not a normal stretch of schedule for anyone, 330 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 7: and it's even worse for the Penguins Mark because they 331 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 7: went to Sweden. They got those four days off before 332 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 7: and the four days off after, So this is just 333 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 7: a schedule for that. 334 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 1: Josh, a lot of guys out tonight, Raquel definitely out 335 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 1: with an injury, Lozotte on baby leave, a Chari a 336 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: game time decision, what's the depth truck going to look like? 337 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,479 Speaker 2: And who's gonna play on Sid's wing with Raquel missing? 338 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 8: Yeah, lots of questions. 339 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 7: My sense is that a Chari will try to play tonight, 340 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 7: even though he was sick at the hotel this morning. 341 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 7: I know they're hoping that he will. I think you'll 342 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 7: see Kevin Hayes on the fourth line filling in for Lozotte. 343 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 7: They don't really have much in the way of answers 344 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 7: there otherwise. My guess is you'll see that and I 345 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 7: don't know what's going to happen with the lineup, but 346 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 7: Raquel got hurt at the end of the morning's skates, 347 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 7: so I don't think the Penguins had had time at 348 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 7: pep point to make any plans. My guess is you'll 349 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 7: see Rutger McGroarty back with Ben Kendall. Those two are 350 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 7: pretty good together, and I think you'll see Anthony Mantha 351 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 7: perhaps slide up to play in the top line with 352 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 7: Sid and Brian Ross. 353 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:49,199 Speaker 8: That's just a guess. 354 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,120 Speaker 7: I don't know, but Braso certainly did not look comfortable 355 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 7: on Crosby's line at all the way Mantha's going right now, 356 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:56,959 Speaker 7: maybe you take advantage of that and just put him 357 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 7: and Ross. He was Sid. I suspect maybe we'll see that. 358 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 7: Kendall McGroarty, they definitely have some chemistry. They play well together. 359 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 7: I suspect maybe we'll see those two with Braso on 360 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:07,120 Speaker 7: the third line. 361 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 1: Kendall's getting a second win, isn't he. Don't get me wrong, 362 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: I think he can use the break, But these last 363 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: two games, he's arguably been the Penguin's best player. 364 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 7: Oh, I don't even know if it's arguable he's been great. 365 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 7: He literally just looks a step faster right now. He 366 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 7: is absolutely flying, and just in talking with him and 367 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 7: getting to know him a little bit, I think having 368 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 7: that big day in Vancouver, scoring the two goals in 369 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:34,400 Speaker 7: his hometown, that really did something for his confidence level. 370 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 7: He's still eighteen, you know, he goes a month without 371 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 7: scoring a goal. I think that impacted him certainly, because 372 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,719 Speaker 7: ever since that game, you could argue, really last four 373 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 7: or five games, he's been their best player. The speed 374 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 7: that he's playing with through the neutral zone, the offense 375 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 7: that he's creating. You're going to see him on the 376 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 7: top power play tonight. By the way, he was actually 377 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 7: working there even before where Kel was hurt. He's going 378 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 7: to be on that top unit. And why not. He's 379 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 7: a hot hand right now. You have to be encouraged 380 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 7: by how he's playing. I just you know, he's been 381 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,679 Speaker 7: blowing him away all season and it would appear that 382 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 7: he's getting even better. 383 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,439 Speaker 1: Talking to Josh Showey of the Athletic Here on the 384 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 1: Home of the Penguins one oh five nine, I thought 385 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: the NHL should have sold that match up on Tuesday. 386 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,360 Speaker 1: Kendle versus Shaef for two great eighteen year old rookies, 387 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: and they both sparkled. 388 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 7: Yeah, they're the two youngest players in the league. By 389 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 7: the way, Schaeffer's think a couple of months younger than Kendall. 390 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 7: They certainly did. And you know, it's funny. The Islanders 391 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 7: for years have been this kind of boring plotting team 392 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 7: with not a lot of star power. 393 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 8: They just have a different feel with him. He is special. 394 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 7: Cal mccarr is the best defenseman in the league right now, 395 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 7: but that's the guy who's going to replace him someday. 396 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 7: I feel that pretty strongly after just watching him play 397 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,360 Speaker 7: for a few times this season. He is some kind 398 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 7: of a special talent. And yeah, Kendall, it goes without saying. 399 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 7: I think sometimes he goes under the radar nationally because 400 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 7: the Penguins still have the big games in the star 401 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 7: power that people automatically focus on. But these two are 402 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:06,880 Speaker 7: going to be playing each other for a very very 403 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 7: long time to come. I just I think Kendall stock 404 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 7: just continues to rise. This is a really special young player, Josh. 405 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: Like I said, I can't believe the NHL didn't feature 406 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 1: that game more. And speaking of the league, how come 407 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 1: they won't protect Sid He gets obviously butt ended at 408 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: Queen's bipago and no call. 409 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 7: I thought it was really strange. Also, I love ed Zoe, 410 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 7: but I thought it was strange that ed Zoe that's 411 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 7: not a penalty. 412 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 8: Like, why isn't it a penalty? But ended him. Whether 413 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 8: he meant to or not, it doesn't Yeah, but but. 414 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 2: Josh, he meant to. That. 415 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: What centers do, and I know this, they go wait 416 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: on low ones stick for the draw and then in 417 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 1: the act of quote unquote taking the draw, they jam 418 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 1: their stick in the other guy's rib cage. It looks 419 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: part like part of taking the draw, but that's why 420 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 1: they take it that way. 421 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,360 Speaker 7: We've seen it a lot over the years against Sid particularly. 422 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 8: I know he wasn't very happy about it. 423 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 7: I mean, the league hasn't really protect to him in 424 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 7: twenty years, so I don't know why they will start now. 425 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 7: But I will say just some of the decisions being 426 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 7: made around the league in general, in terms of the officiating, 427 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 7: in terms of George Parrows choosing to suspend some people 428 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 7: but not others, I can tell you Mark, I had 429 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 7: to chat with Brian Russ this morning about his suspension. 430 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 7: He's not very happy about it, and a lot of 431 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 7: it is because of other things that have happened around 432 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 7: the league in the last time. Will not that, yeah, 433 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 7: I mean, Rust didn't want to come out and say 434 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 7: Wilson's name, but he very was referencing it in my conversation, 435 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 7: and Russey basically said to me, like, yeah, I can 436 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 7: see giving me a game the three compared to the 437 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 7: other stuff going around the league. 438 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 8: Look at the crucket. 439 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 1: Last night that Bill mannis for Florida took off McAvoy's. Yes, 440 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: what a low class fing move to do that right 441 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 1: before the Olympics when the guy's in a full face cage, 442 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: well shield anyway to chicken wing him and Josh, I 443 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,159 Speaker 1: don't know if people have put the dots connected the dots. 444 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 2: You know who the US plays in their first game 445 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 2: with that freakin' Slugville manis on the team. I mean, 446 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 2: how could you not think that that was why he 447 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 2: did that? 448 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 6: Right? 449 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 7: No, I mean when you put it that way, it's 450 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 7: kind of hard not to look at it that way. 451 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,360 Speaker 7: And there's apparently going to be no punishment for that hit. 452 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 7: And macavoy's a guy who's already broken his john and 453 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 7: all kinds of things happened to him in the last 454 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 7: few months. There's no rhyme nor reason for who the 455 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 7: league punishes or who they don't punish. It's always been 456 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 7: a problem. There's never been a lot of transparency or consistency. 457 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,360 Speaker 7: I honestly think it's worse now than ever. And I'm 458 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 7: not saying that Brian Rustin deserve punishment for what he did, and. 459 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 8: He admits that. 460 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 7: But he looked at me today and he said, I 461 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 7: got three games, and like, look at what's going on 462 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 7: around the league. And he's absolutely right. And Russ is 463 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 7: a guy who's never been in trouble, it's ever even 464 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 7: been fined before by the league. It's a real problem 465 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 7: and somebody's gonna get hurt. 466 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 8: A big name is going to get hurt if this continues. 467 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 7: Not that it matters if it's a big name or not, 468 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 7: but it's going to happen because guys feel like they 469 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 7: have the green light right now because other than Russ, 470 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 7: nobody is being punished. 471 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 1: How is sid still the face of the league at 472 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: thirty eight and he definitely is. Who's that reflect on 473 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: besides positively on him? 474 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 7: Well, I don't know that it reflects very well on 475 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 7: some of the other superstars in the game who frankly 476 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:18,719 Speaker 7: just aren't as likable as he is. 477 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: McDavid, I think's an okay guy, but yeah, he's like, 478 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: the league's not going to rally around the German is 479 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: the face of the league. That's why OVI isn't either. 480 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: I mean, Ovi's a real good sidekick to sin in 481 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: a Bond villain. But them's just the facts. And then 482 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 1: you Gotate Nate McKinnon, who's a pretty good guy, but 483 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,679 Speaker 1: people see him as Sid's home Tom Bobo. 484 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 8: That's right. 485 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 7: Austin Matthews isn't particularly charismatic or likable either, not having 486 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 7: a great year, which doesn't help. 487 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 2: And he's fat. That's a fat guy. 488 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 7: I just I think, listen, Sid is still one of 489 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 7: the ten best players in the league. I think most 490 00:24:55,880 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 7: people agree with that. But he's also viewed as royalty, 491 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 7: and understandably so, just the way he composes himself, the 492 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 7: way he represents the league. It's just at a higher 493 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 7: level than all the other people we just mentioned. It 494 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 7: just is he's an ambassador really, without any compare I 495 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 7: don't think, and I think that plays a large role, 496 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 7: just the way he treats people. 497 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: Never put us in there long never never had a 498 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 1: cringe worthy moment. 499 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:24,919 Speaker 6: No. 500 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 7: I was literally sitting there at the morning skate and 501 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,439 Speaker 7: there were a couple of kids in the crowd, a 502 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 7: couple of Rosby on the Penguins bench, and he was 503 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,679 Speaker 7: walked over before one on the ice and signed autographs 504 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 7: for them. Doesn't sound like a big deal, but like 505 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 7: most guys just don't do that, let alone the most 506 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 7: famous player in the league. But he's lived his whole 507 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 7: life like that, and I think that's part of it. 508 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 7: I don't think it's just the player. I just think 509 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 7: it's it's the person. He has literally been for more 510 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 7: than twenty years in all of our lives, and everybody 511 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 7: sees it, and he's just in a different standard than 512 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 7: the rest of them. 513 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 8: He really is. 514 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 2: Is Buffalo for real? 515 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: They've won twenty one twenty seven, which seems like a typo, 516 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: But I do love their defensive core. 517 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 2: They're four young defensemen. 518 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,719 Speaker 1: I think they're a bigger factor in Buffalo success than 519 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: even a guy like Page Thompson. 520 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 7: Yeah, I think they might be for real. And one 521 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 7: thing that I noticed with them that could be a 522 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 7: problem their overall team speed is really legitimate. This is 523 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 7: a team that can absolutely fly. And you mentioned that 524 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 7: blue line. It is just so mobile. It helps them 525 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 7: in every facet of the game. Thompson is, you know, 526 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 7: I think a legitimate star at this point. I think 527 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,199 Speaker 7: they're a playoff team. Like do I think they're a 528 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 7: Stanley Cup contender? 529 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:37,199 Speaker 8: No, probably not. 530 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 7: But given the Eastern Conference other than Tampa, I don't 531 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 7: think there's any great teams out there, they're a real factor. 532 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 7: And given who the Penguins have out tonight, Mark, and 533 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 7: given how good Buffalo has been, especially at home, and 534 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 7: given that this is the last game before the break, 535 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 7: this seems like a pretty daunting challenge for the Penguins Tonight. 536 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 2: Our buddy Tristan Jarry is not doing so good at Edmonton, 537 00:26:59,480 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 2: is he? 538 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: He can't stop the puck, can't stop saying dumb crap 539 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,120 Speaker 1: and an opponent. We got this son later Lomberg, Ryan 540 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 1: Burke's buddy. He literally called Jarry Swiss cheese on the record. 541 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 1: My god, it couldn't It couldn't be going worse for Jars, 542 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: could it. 543 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 7: Well, if you're gonna play the audio, make sure you 544 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 7: find the audio on Twitter from Leon dry Sidle, who 545 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 7: came right out and said, yeah, we really got to 546 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 7: get a save at some point or something to that effect. 547 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 8: It was pretty funny. 548 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 7: So the Oilers themselves apparently are already turning on Jari, 549 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,400 Speaker 7: who not only was bad last night but got back 550 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,439 Speaker 7: to his his true authentic form by giving up a 551 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 7: goal on the first shot of the game as only 552 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 7: he can. Yeah, I mean, listen, it's early on and 553 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 7: the Jari era in Edmonton, but. 554 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 8: He is who he is. He's not without talent. 555 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,919 Speaker 7: You can't trust him, and he certainly isn't going to 556 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 7: take accountability afterwards. That used to ruffle some feathers in Pittsburgh. 557 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 7: I think the Penguins kind of got over it. Most 558 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,439 Speaker 7: of them actually liked him. But it doesn't seem to 559 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 7: be going over real well with mister dry Sidle in 560 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 7: the first a few weeks in Edmonton. That's not a 561 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 7: good sign. And that Oilers team, by the way, Mark 562 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,919 Speaker 7: like that whole team's a mess. I know they have 563 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 7: two all time great players, the rest of that team 564 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 7: stinks like they're just not very good right now. 565 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:13,239 Speaker 5: Uh. 566 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,919 Speaker 1: Finally, Gavia McKenna broke a guy's jaw in a street 567 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: fight after the guy apparently insulted his mother and it 568 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 1: amuses me that the people I've talked to in the 569 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 1: interim think that that not only won't hurt McKenna's draft status, 570 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 1: that will help it because the jury was out on 571 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: his toughness and he just killed a guy in a 572 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 1: street fight, not killed, but broke his jaw. 573 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 7: Yeah, Like, you know, somebody says something like that about 574 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 7: my mom. Like, I wouldn't be happy either, But I 575 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 7: don't know that breaking the guy's jaw is really the 576 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 7: way to go about it. 577 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 2: Where's Penn State security? Why are these players? 578 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 6: Like? 579 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: It reminds me of DK Metcalf and Detroit. 580 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 2: How was that allowed to happen? 581 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 8: Right? 582 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 7: No, there's so many questions to be answered. I don't 583 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 7: know anything about the kid's character. I don't know him. 584 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 7: I can tell you this. 585 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 2: Everyone I've talked to says he's top shelf. 586 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 7: I yeah, I mean, I haven't heard any any bad things. 587 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 7: But I will tell you there are a lot of 588 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 7: scouts who don't necessarily think he's the surefire top pick 589 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 7: the way others do. He may still will be the case, 590 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 7: and he will be first overall probably, but a lot 591 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 7: of people are a little bit down on him as 592 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 7: a player right now. 593 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 8: Believe it or not. 594 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 7: As for what happened, Listen, I wasn't there. Hopefully the 595 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 7: truth all comes out. He's got to be smarter than that, 596 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 7: though I know he's only eighteen. But you're my public 597 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 7: eye now, you can't do that. 598 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 8: So I don't know. 599 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 7: Quite a jarring story though yesterday when we all saw 600 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 7: those headlines. 601 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: Would the NHL fix the lottery to get him to 602 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: the New York Rangers? 603 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 8: I mean, I don't know if they're smart enough to 604 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 8: do that. 605 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 7: I mean, I mean, it's not a bad idea, like 606 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 7: it would actually be great for the sport, let's be honest. 607 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 7: I don't know if I mean they You know, Edmonton 608 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 7: got the top pick like three years in a row, 609 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 7: so I don't really think that was the best thing 610 00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 7: for the league. 611 00:29:58,400 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 8: So we'll see. 612 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: I can tell you this for sure. Donald Trump would Josh, 613 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: who's gonna win the Olympics? 614 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 7: Oh, I mean I until somebody dethrones Canada, I would 615 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 7: pick them. I honestly think Sweden might have a better 616 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 7: team than the Americans at this moment. I might rank 617 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 7: them second, But the fact is Canada still has McDavid 618 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 7: and Crosby and McKinnon. 619 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 8: And mccarr and Celebrini. 620 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 7: Nobody can match that kind of talent with the top 621 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,239 Speaker 7: five players, It's hard for me to pick against them, 622 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 7: even though I don't like their goaltending. 623 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 2: Well, I'm rooting for Sid because I know Sid. And 624 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 2: here's the other thing. 625 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: If they don't win, he's going to be a miserable 626 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: sum bitch for weeks. 627 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 2: I just don't want to deal with her. 628 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm all for cheering for Canada and this one, 629 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 7: and you know how much it means to him, you know, 630 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 7: and the pressure that's put on him by Canada every 631 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 7: time he's in the Olympics is something I don't think 632 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 7: we can really fathom. 633 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 8: And I you know, given the. 634 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 7: Team they have, I I'm hard pressed to think they 635 00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 7: won't win it again. 636 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: Then again, if Sweden one, could you imagine Carl I mean, 637 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: my god, he really might host the game show. 638 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 8: I was gonna say. 639 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 7: I mean, he was hosting a game show after the 640 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 7: Ottawa game the other night. Imagine what he'll be like 641 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 7: when he comes home. 642 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: Josh great stuff. Enjoy the game of Buffalo. We'll talk 643 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 1: to you soon. 644 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 6: All. 645 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 1: That's Joshoy from the Athletic. By the way, the Craig 646 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: Patrick news. I'll be honest, I kind of knew about 647 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: that for a few weeks and the family wanted to 648 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: keep it private, but now the news is out there. 649 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: So best wishes to Craig who has done such a 650 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: great job for the Penguins back when he was GM 651 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: and really just an integral part of the franchise for 652 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: so many years, and an integral part of the Pittsburgh 653 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: hockey scene and just a diamond guy. Just they don't 654 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: come any better than Craig Patrick. Very soft spoken, very witty, 655 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: and nobody knows more about hockey. So get well Craig Patrick. 656 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: Wait to hear what a guy on the Flame set 657 00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: about Tristan Jarry. That's up next to one oh five 658 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: to nine. It's the Woody Show, way better than NDR weekday. 659 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 8: Mornings at six on one oh five. 660 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 3: The X eighty four Lumber is your one stop destination 661 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 3: for