WEBVTT - 2-23-26 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:01.760 Do you want to be an American? 0:00:02.480 --> 0:00:04.560 All right, here we go Scott's Long Show, seven hundred 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:07.800 world up in the snowy Monday morning. 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:10.360 Not the most ideal start to the week, for sure. 0:00:10.400 --> 0:00:10.920 Could be worse. 0:00:10.960 --> 0:00:12.600 It could be in New York City. They're gonna hammered 0:00:12.680 --> 0:00:15.440 right now. All right, your price is your wallet. The 0:00:15.520 --> 0:00:19.480 Supreme Court just ruled on Friday on Trump's tariffs. What 0:00:19.520 --> 0:00:22.400 the hell does this all mean for what we pay 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:25.960 at the store? That's the question. Tariffs. It's all confusing. 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:28.640 Even the experts are confused by it. I'm confused by 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:32.120 you are as well. Money's coming into the treasury through 0:00:32.159 --> 0:00:34.800 this thing where we're going to get two thousand dollars checks. 0:00:34.800 --> 0:00:36.120 So then why do we do this in the first 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:39.040 place if it's just going to be a rebate? And 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:41.000 not only that, what does the future hold here when 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:43.960 it comes to these tariffs. Michelle Schultz is with Schultz 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:46.960 Trade Law in Dallas, an expert on such things, joining 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:48.600 the show this morning. Michelle, how are you. 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:50.600 Well? 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:51.560 How are you five? 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:54.400 That's fine, everything's good except for tariffs. 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:58.040 So Friday Supreme Court rule six y three that the 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:00.840 tariffs are legal, and the court said, look, This is 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:01.480 not your job. 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:02.720 This is a job of Congress. 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:05.800 And we've collected some one hundred and seventy five billion 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:07.880 in tariff revenue right now, it's all up in the air, 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:10.760 and companies are all lined up going, hey, guess what 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:11.759 give us our money back? 0:01:11.800 --> 0:01:12.000 Here? 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:13.880 What the hell does this all mean? It would be 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:17.000 the question. And then Trump hassigned a new executive order 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:19.039 and we're going to go with fifteen percent tariffs now 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:22.880 as a workaround of this whole thing. And everyone's head 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:26.040 is spinning, going, Okay, I just want cheaper beef. I 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:27.880 want to buy a Hamburger and not have to get 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:31.000 a second mortgage. Let's jump into this whole thing, Michelle, 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:33.200 and I guess the question is why do to take 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:35.520 now until now for this to hit the Supreme Court? 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:37.160 This is a lot to spend on the books. What 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:38.480 since nineteen seventy. 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:43.920 Seven, Yes, I mean, well nineteen seventy four, technically the 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:48.440 Trade Act of nineteen seventy four, And I guess, well, 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:51.600 that's the new one that we're using. The nineteen seventy 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:54.320 seven would be the original one, and that's the one 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:58.440 that was struck down. So yeah, we've been using the AEPA, 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:03.440 which is known as the International Emergency Economic Powers Act 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:08.400 for many years, since nineteen seventy seven, that one, and 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:11.840 we use it for things that are national emergencies, like 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:15.320 export controls. We don't want things, we don't want our 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:17.840 goods and our technology getting in the hands of the 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:21.280 wrong people so that they're used against us. But this 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:24.519 one is being used for terrorists. So it's it's been 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:27.520 the Supreme Court has really struggled with what to do 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:28.079 with this. 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:32.280 One, obviously too, as split as they were. Trump not 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:34.320 happy about it. But now he's got a workaround that. 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:37.919 I guess another section of this law that says, well, 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:41.560 now we can kick a fifteen percent trade allotment in 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:44.720 for one hundred and fifty days till Congress extends them. 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:48.200 And it seems like, if I'm reading this incorrectly, he can. 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:50.960 He's just transferred one terror for another and saying, all right, 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:52.959 this one expires as an emergency in one hundred and 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:55.359 fifty days, and I'll just come up with another reason 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:57.720 why to extend another one hundred and fifty days. Is 0:02:57.720 --> 0:02:58.519 that what's going to happen? 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:00.800 That's what I expect. 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:04.720 Yes, I think you're right on with that this new 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:07.519 tariff is going to be maxed. 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:08.239 Out at fifteen percent. 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:11.760 So there's some good news, but it's this one is 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:15.080 the one that's nineteen seventy seven under Section one twenty 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:16.320 two of the Trade. 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:17.359 Act, and. 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:24.040 This particular provision allows him a lot of authority to 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:27.000 increase tariffs for one hundred and fifty days up to 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:31.480 fifteen percent. And so where we had a baseline of 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:35.320 ten percent with the AIPA tariffs, those are struck down. 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:36.480 We now at fifteen. 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:43.440 Yeah, so it's it's confusing and it's up and down, 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:44.920 but they have figured it. 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:48.360 Out, well, I guess. But you know, the markets hate uncertainty, 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:51.840 and we're uncertain af right now. That is the problem 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:54.640 until maybe Congress sorts this out and we have some 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:56.960 permanent guidance here. But I don't expect that to happen 0:03:57.000 --> 0:04:00.440 anytime soon, considering the partial shutdown and the problems Congress 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:04.080 has obviously, Now, what happens with one hundred and seventy 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:07.720 five billion dollars that's in limbo right now. I'm sure 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:10.720 you represent as a trade attorney, Michelle, interests that want 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:12.760 to claw that money back on Well, if the Supreme 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:15.360 Court rules against you you owe us the money we've 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:18.160 been paying in tears how to And as a matter 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:20.680 of fact, I think three justices, the three conservative justices, 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:23.679 ruled against our ruled and wanted to keep this and said, listen, 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:26.040 we get the argument, but this is going to be 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:27.080 a master of the treasury. 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:28.920 That's going to be the biggest. 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:30.400 Question looming here is what do we do that one 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:33.920 hundred and seventy five billion dollars. 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:37.760 That's really important, and I think that the justices were 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:39.880 right said this is going to be a mess. But 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:42.960 in my mind, that doesn't change what the law is. 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:47.680 And the Constitution provides that Congress has to delegate this 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:50.479 authority to the president. He can't use it on his own. 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:56.839 So technically refunds are due. Customs is ready somewhat because 0:04:56.880 --> 0:05:00.720 they use an electronic system for refunds, and we've been 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:04.799 advising our clients, the importers in the United States, to 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:09.640 get their electronic refund process ready if they're planning to 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:11.920 claim refunds. It's not going to be so easy as 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:14.320 a check in the mail. You will have to actually 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:17.960 calculate what you're owed and why and request a refund 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:20.440 through an automated system. 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:23.960 She is Michelle Schultz Schultz Trade Law. She's a trade 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:26.840 attorney with the court striking down Trump's tariffs. And what 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:28.919 this means because he's going to pivot and use a 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:30.960 different section of that law that gives the one hundred 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:33.280 and fifty days unless Congress extends them. And so we're 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:35.640 just swapping one tear for another. But what does that 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:37.919 mean to the bottom line? And you know, these companies 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:42.240 that are filing protective lawsuits to preserve their refund claims, 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:45.760 how are you actually advising companies to protect themselves? Now, 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:48.360 this is something you would have to start a while ago. 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:52.560 And why it's important to get these suits filed because 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:56.400 first in line gets the money right pretty much. 0:05:56.279 --> 0:05:59.240 I mean, that's the way it should work. And these 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:05.880 lawsuits that were filed basically they they they stayed liquidation, 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:09.360 which means that they put on hold the ability of 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:14.159 customs to finalize the amount owed on these particular entries. 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:19.520 But now we've got a completely different set of rules 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:23.679 in place, and we've got fifteen percent not to mention 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:28.000 section three oh one for unfair trade practices in section 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:33.480 two thirty two for national security, we're already in use. 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:37.800 And those don't go away. So we have some continued, 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:41.680 some gone, we have new ones replacing the ones that 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:42.200 are gone. 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:44.159 I tell you, it sound like you gout. You know, 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:45.000 this is your job. 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:47.120 You're the smartest person in the room, Michelle, and you're like, 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:50.000 still not one hundred percent true of what all this means. 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:53.360 Yeah, I mean we have meetings about it at least 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:58.520 weekly with various trade groups. Everyone's confused, and everyone's advising 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:02.440 the clients to get ready for electronic refunds. You're not 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:05.320 going to just get a check. But on the other hand, 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:08.200 we don't know what to expect, except that the administration 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:11.960 seems to be relying on these other provisions. And I 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:14.920 think within the next one hundred and fifty days, while 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:19.760 they have this authority to impose fifteen percent, they will 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:23.840 investigate other options like Section two thirty two and three 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:27.160 oh one, and they so they have it, they have 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:28.080 it lined up. 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:30.400 Basically, it sounds to me like if you're counting on 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:32.720 that two thousand dollars refund from this whole thing that 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:35.400 Trump promised your way at the back of the line that. 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:37.760 Did that just get kicked down, going yeah, you're not 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:38.800 going to get too grand. 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:43.440 That's what I would think. Yeah, I'm not counting on it. 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:45.160 Yeah, yeah, I'm not sure either. 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:48.280 Yeah, okay, I'm just just making sure to be like, 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:50.040 damn it, I thought it was going to get two grand. 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:50.880 Probably not. 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:52.800 I know. 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:55.080 If you're a shopper online shop for that bat. There's 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:58.640 a wonky legal term called deminimus, and the deminimous loophole 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:02.080 remains closed and that pack did what you buy online, 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:06.560 that's still in the fact explain that, yes, correct. 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:10.040 So there used to be a deminimous amount of eight 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:13.840 hundred dollars which required you to file a formal customs 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:16.640 entry and pay duties. And if you didn't, if you 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:19.360 were buying something pretty cheap under eight hundred dollars like 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:22.600 I would normally do online, you did not have to 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:25.280 file a formal customs entry, didn't have to pay duties. 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:30.320 This administration took away the dominimus, so that now we 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:34.680 as importers or US consumers in the end, have to 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:38.440 pay duties on every item, no matter how small it is, 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:40.679 even if it's under eight hundred dollars. 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:42.800 And that was the workaround for a lot of Chinese 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:46.480 companies undercutting American manufacturers and you know, the patent not 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:48.480 in your area, but you know, patent theft and things 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:50.840 like that. They turn around and crank out a cheaper product. 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:53.920 Get on TIMU whatever and buy a four dollars sweater 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:56.440 that would normally cost you, you know, seven hundred dollars 0:08:56.520 --> 0:08:58.360 in the store. I get a cheap and it may 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:01.120 last two washings. But it's gon fallow our. They were 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:04.360 exempt from tax and now this still stands. So it 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:09.320 makes them on level playing field with North American manufacturers 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:10.760 and manufacturers. 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:10.800 Moreund the world. 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:13.800 I think that is a good. 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:17.080 That's the very positive way to look at it. Yeah, 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:21.040 that the consumers, we do hear a lot of complaints 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:25.240 about Dominimus because it ends up it ends up getting 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:28.360 passed down to the consumer. And I'm also hearing now 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:32.320 that if the cost was passed to the consumer, then 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:35.319 there's no chance you'll get a refund because you've already 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:36.960 gotten your refund from your consumer. 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:39.000 So this just gets more and more confusing. 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:41.840 Yeah, yeah, and the market take confusion. See the reaction 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:44.720 is this week this section one twenty two part that 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:48.040 he's now enacted. It can't be in the pass. It's 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:49.959 been very country specific. You know, he had his big 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:52.160 chart out as the point of the countries that are 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:54.480 Gonnat nailed and what the percentages are, and then if 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:56.080 he didn't like the person he was talking to, they 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:58.839 get hit with a higher tear. If this new section 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:01.160 that he's using that expire one hundred and fifty days 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:05.120 has to apply universally, does that complicate the trade deals 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:08.080 the administration's already struck with countries like in the EU 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:11.120 where they negotiated specific rates. 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:13.640 I believe it does, and I think that's what we'll 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:17.760 see moving forward. It presents a new obstacle. So I 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:21.079 have clients who, for example, already emailed me and said 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:25.000 I was exempt before, but now I have fifteen percent. 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:26.480 So it's actually worse for me. 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:30.240 And I think under free trade agreements they're going to 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:35.120 have to negotiate what they're going to allow. For example, 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:39.120 under the US Canada Mexico agreement, see if there are 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:42.240 any exemptions that we can apply. But it actually is 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:47.960 going to present significant obstacles for negotiating with new countries 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:49.640 we haven't been thinking about. 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:53.720 Michelle Schultz is a trade lawyer with Schultz Trade Lawn Dallas, 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:56.400 on the show, talking and explaining what the after effects 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:58.439 are of this decision by the Supreme courtA on Friday 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:01.640 that's struck down Trump's terror of Trump has since come 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:02.959 back and said, well, you know what, I'm going to 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:05.720 find a work around here loophole, and we're discussing that 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:07.840 that what's this basically means when you buy stuff or 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:09.360 the price of goods going to come down, You're going 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:12.280 to be able to afford what is in stores these days. 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:13.000 You know, you go to the. 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:14.960 Store when I'm when I go to the store and 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:18.360 I look at beef and go beef ground beef. That's 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:21.720 too damn expensive. I'll stick to chicken thighs. That's me 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:24.440 and millions of other Americans are felt by this whole 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:27.320 thing too. We're looking for some sense and some guidance 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:30.400 here bottom line for businesses and importers, which you deal with, 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:33.560 what should they be doing right now? Given the legal 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:37.760 uncertainty around refunds. You may go, well, I don't know, importers, exporters. 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:40.120 You know a lot of people have side hustles and 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:42.440 and you know companies that are running out of their 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:45.720 house or their basement or whatever or garage, and it's 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:46.719 going to affect them as well. 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:47.760 So what's the advice. 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:51.920 Oh, yes, I mean they should be looking at all angles, 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:56.000 maybe have a backup plan, be cautious about what you're 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:58.480 spending because this is this does not mean that all 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:01.320 the prices will go down. In fact, we're still seeing 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:06.720 them go up because companies can't carry that burden any longer. 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:10.319 They're having to pass on the amount to the consumers. 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:14.080 And our clients are definitely doing that. Some folks are 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:17.160 getting out of their business altogether and trying a new business. 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:21.920 We've seen that, especially in luxury items which people just 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:26.200 aren't going to be buying anymore very much. And then 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:28.319 you know, I was on a farm the other day 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:30.920 and the guy was telling me, Hey, I get my 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:33.320 own eggs, I make my own lettuce, I got my 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:35.640 own tomatoes. I don't go to the grocery store anymore. 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:42.200 And that's all by design. So not to say we 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:45.160 should all get a farm, but people are just trying 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:45.800 different things. 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:49.240 It is something to see. I don't know, and this 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:51.760 is the first shoe to drop. Do you suspect more 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:55.599 Supreme Court involvement is a very busy court session, for sure, Michelle. 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:58.240 Do you expect more terror related issues coming out of 0:12:58.240 --> 0:12:58.840 the high coquarters. 0:12:58.840 --> 0:12:59.160 That's it. 0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:01.920 I think there could be more. 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:05.440 There have been other lawsuits filed, and we have companies 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:08.920 interested in filing different types of lawsuits. So I think 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:14.199 you'll continue to see resistant lawsuits. But it's going to 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:17.120 play out over time. And in the meantime we've got 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:22.480 that measures where every country is now at fifteen percent. 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:24.840 Yeah, yeah, we'll see how it plays out. She is 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:28.160 Michelle Schultz at Schultz Trade Law in Dallas. Thanks again, Michelle, 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:29.439 great inside, appreciate. 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:30.640 You, Thank you. 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:34.080 Scott's a pleasure, take care you know, hear this and 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:37.520 go I just want a little closure maybe the good Okay, 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:39.760 well they strike it down, I mean, prices are coming down. No, 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:42.360 so we're just gonna replace those terrifts with others. But 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:44.319 at what about all the deals you spend all this 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:46.959 time working out with other countries in the EU and elsewhere. 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:48.719 What happens to that? 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:50.640 Just it's all kind of like up in the air 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:53.000 right now, So you wonder if that adds more confusion 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:55.600 to it. Of course, tomorrow nine, the President will deliver 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:58.080 his State of the Union address. Will be really interesting 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:01.960 to see how how hard he kicks the teeth into 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:05.600 the high Court because his initial tweets on true Social 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:08.520 we're essentially saying, you know, we've got Republicans name only 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:11.120 the rhinos, We've got liberals taking over the High Court. 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:12.840 I'm not quite sure when two of the people on 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:15.199 the High Court are people you've just appointed yourself in 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:18.599 your first term, how they are somehow infiltrated in that 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:21.120 you know, the conspiracy theory nonsense is out there. It's 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:23.680 like now they pretty much swore to up all the Constitution. 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:26.440 That's what this looks like. Now he's working around it 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:29.320 with the fifteen percent trades. But I'm not quite sure. 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:31.840 You know, at some point, and we're feeling it now. 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:35.440 You look at your buying power ands diminished significantly, how 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:38.280 much more pain you can stand as a consumer, and 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:40.520 what that looks like for Congress and everything else. And 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:43.160 we're quickly closing in on midterms, and I'm sure there 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:47.960 are a lot of Republicans that are nervous beyond description 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:51.600 because they see some significant backlash coming from all this 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:54.840 in the midterm elections. And that's how things are run. 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:57.440 Speaking of the president, there was a breach at mar 0:14:57.480 --> 0:15:01.840 A Lago yesterday. FBI investigating for I understanding he was 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:04.400 a guy who came in to mar A Lago had 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:07.240 a can of gas and a shotgun twenty year old 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:11.160 that he had just purchased, and everyone that they spoke to, 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:13.760 family members, friends and everything, because you know, the minute 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:16.160 the guy's name is released, everybody starts doing a deep 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:17.240 dive on who this person was. 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:19.200 Twenty years old. Cording's family. 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:21.360 He's like, well, you know, we're all we're all pretty 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:24.320 heavy Trump supporters, so this was a shock to us. 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:26.360 And he's a very quiet individual. 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:28.200 Anytimes somebody goes in the shooting nut all the time, 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:30.440 but shooting spret builda it's everyone going, well, I saw 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:30.840 this coming. 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:32.600 It's always like he was so quiet. We did not 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:34.120 He didn't even like guns. He was scared. 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:36.000 He didn't even know how to work a gun. Went 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:38.320 and bought a shotgun, I guess, and showed up the 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:40.760 box with the brand new shotgun, never been fired, was 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:42.960 still in the original packaging, I guess, was still in 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:45.640 this guy's car at mar A Lago, showed up with 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:47.800 a can of gas and a shotgun, dropped the can 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:52.520 of gas and leveled the pump action shotgun at law 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:55.920 enforcement officers, which of course would be Secret Service agents 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:58.000 and two of them, I guess are the I guess 0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:01.240 their Sheriff's deputies. Two they are there fire the fatal shots, 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:04.800 and the FBI is asking for help on the breach 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:07.280 at mar Laga going. This guy wasn't even on the radar, 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:09.640 which is pretty scary, you know, and uncertain times and 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:12.560 uncertainty like what we're talking about here. There people are 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:16.680 clearly mentally unstable that are going to want to do 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:19.120 things and take things in their own hands, which makes 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:20.840 us all just kind of go, well, you know, if 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:22.800 you're crazy people out there and they're triggered by this, 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:25.680 you got some real problems going on. Speaking of problems, 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:28.440 New York City, we got the Great Blizzard of twenty six. 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:31.520 You know, we had record snow here in Cincinnati was like, 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:34.240 oh yeah, in Cincinnati, Ohio, I don't New York City. 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:37.560 It's like all the network affiliates that I have under 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:40.240 the monitors here, they're all doing like round the clock 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:42.760 of non stuff coverage, Like okay, well, when we got hammered, 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:45.440 you you know, we didn't have eight reporters on the scene. 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:48.560 Grant the biggest city in the country. I understand that, 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:51.240 but you know, those of us have lived through the 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:52.840 last big snowstorm we had. 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:54.000 We got through ours. 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:56.400 Really don't give a damn, but hey, they got twenty 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:59.000 four inches on the ground. There's like up to I 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:01.200 think up to twenty four inch and some areas out there, 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:04.200 and it's just coming down at three inches an hour. 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:05.960 We had one inch an hour and as a crisis 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:08.159 managed three inches an hour. I've seen that. That is 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:09.920 a lot of snow. When you can't see a quarter mile, 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:12.240 it is. It's frightening, is what it is. Because you 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:14.439 can get disoriented really quickly. I mean literally you walk 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:16.119 out to your mailbox to go, wait, where'd the house go? 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:19.080 It's that bad if you've ever been through that before. 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:22.280 So twenty three twenty four inches in some areas out 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:25.320 of New York City, there's over I think four or 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:28.399 five thousand flight delays. I believe our seven thousand flight delays. 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:30.960 So if you're flying to and from in that whole region, 0:17:31.040 --> 0:17:33.240 you are in trouble today. If you're headed out to 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:36.520 CBG or Indye, Columbus or Louisville, for sure, let me. 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:37.399 Get a news update in. 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:39.760 We'll get all that caught up with you very the 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:41.960 latest on what's happening in and around the world. We 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:45.159 have Reds Baseball that happened this weekend in Arizona, the 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:47.760 spot all of the snow. The boys are playing baseball. 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:50.200 The Boys this summer are back. I'll have Jeff Carr 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:53.080 on from Lockdown Reds to talk about the first weekend 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:54.880 of action and what you look for in the first 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:56.600 week of spring training out in good Year. That's all 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:59.199 coming up on the show. Coming up next on the 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:02.240 show though, Speaking of sports, how about the US men's 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:05.840 hockey team. Double gold for the US Olympians in the 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:09.720 sport of hockey, and forty six years ago it was 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:14.119 miracle on ice? Do you believe in miracles? In twenty 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:17.320 twenty six, it's do you believe in ghosts? What do 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:22.600 ghosts have to do with the men winning gold in Milan? Details? 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:25.480 Six minutes away slowly seven hundred w welwt. 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:28.040 All right, here we go. 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:31.800 It's baseball season. Olympics are over. We did pretty good. Actually, 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:36.240 closing sermon yesterday, Hillary Knights, we captained team USA who 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:39.000 gold medal and women's hockey led the delegation as a 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:42.360 flag bearer and they've extinguished the medals and we ended 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:46.120 up with thirty three altogether, second to just Norway and 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:49.440 ahead of Italy, and the next site was just gonna 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:52.320 kind of could throw the torch over to the French 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:55.320 Alps just on the other side for the twenty thirty 0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:56.600 Winter Games. 0:18:56.920 --> 0:18:58.760 So yeah, it was good showing by the United States. 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:03.119 Second over all wacky events that only Norwegian teams are 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:07.359 good at biathlon and things like that. It's all right, 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:09.439 ski you shoot, and the new one is you're skiing 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:11.680 and you're climbing mountains at the same time. I didn't 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:12.240 see much of that. 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:14.679 It was a little bit crazy little figure skating, you know, 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:18.000 we're good at I think second is good for the Americans. 0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:20.240 But I double gold if you will, double gold for 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:23.040 the US women's team and the US men's national team. 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:26.080 And I would think that if you're a fan of 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:28.880 hockey and very I think four people listening besides myself 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:32.800 are another chance for the NHL to market. You know, 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:37.320 you look at how modern professional sports or even college 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:40.240 sports right now with the NIL stuff, how it thrives 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:44.119 has done individual personalities and battles and things like that 0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:46.080 and rivalries, and man, you've got a great built in 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:49.359 rival there. The US and Canada and other countries for 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:51.960 that matter too. I don't know if that'll trend. It 0:19:52.000 --> 0:19:54.119 never has in the past, but every four years we 0:19:54.160 --> 0:19:57.600 care about hockey as a country. So in nineteen eighty, 0:19:57.720 --> 0:19:59.680 it was do you believe in miracles? And the Kaul 0:19:59.720 --> 0:20:01.720 from Mala Michaels do you believe in miracles? Today it's 0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:04.000 do you believe in ghosts? 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:04.280 What? 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:08.840 So Team USA, if you watched that yesterday, beat Canada 0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:11.960 in overtime in the finals. So we have won gold 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:16.080 medals in nineteen sixty, nineteen eighty, and forty six eight 0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:19.240 years later now in twenty twenty six, as a matter 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:22.000 of fact, talking about all that was Ken Morrow, remember 0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:23.879 that nineteen eighty miracle on Ice Team US on my 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:25.959 show Friday morning. If you want to go check out 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:28.359 the podcast, and that always a great conversation with Kenny Morrow. 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:31.840 Matt Bowley opened the scoring for Team USA six minutes in. 0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:35.359 Late in the second period, Canada was able to tie it, 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:39.280 and Canada, if you watched any of this, virtually dominated 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:43.879 in every measurable way, shots, chances out, playing defense, all 0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:46.520 that stuff, and the ice team tilted in the on 0:20:46.560 --> 0:20:49.399 the side of the Canadians. But they could not solve 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:53.040 Connor Hellibook unquestionably head and shoulders, the MVP of the tournament. 0:20:54.240 --> 0:20:56.280 You know, there were misshots and a Kennon missed an 0:20:56.280 --> 0:20:59.600 open net. There were three top level chances late in 0:20:59.640 --> 0:21:02.200 the game, Celebrini, and they could not get the puck 0:21:02.240 --> 0:21:04.880 to go in. The question is why they just pummeled 0:21:04.920 --> 0:21:07.920 Connor Hellibuck and he was outstanding, but luck also factored 0:21:07.920 --> 0:21:11.720 in as well. And of course American Jack Hughes scored 0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:15.200 the winner a minute forty one into three on three overtime. 0:21:15.960 --> 0:21:18.040 And it's such a hockey thing too. We'll get to 0:21:18.080 --> 0:21:20.520 that in a second with Jack Hughes. But he scores 0:21:20.520 --> 0:21:23.120 the game winner, the bench empties. Everyone's crying there in tears. 0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:28.679 Hella buck I said the the MVP by far. The 0:21:28.720 --> 0:21:33.160 Canadian side criticized the three on three overtime format. The 0:21:33.200 --> 0:21:37.520 head coach John Cooper was not pleased with it. McKinnon said, 0:21:37.520 --> 0:21:39.040 you'd be the judge who's a better team. They have 0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:41.920 no question about it. If the game were won on 0:21:41.920 --> 0:21:44.240 how teams look, Canada would have won that game yesterday. 0:21:44.240 --> 0:21:44.800 But they did not. 0:21:44.960 --> 0:21:49.679 And that's the that's the unquestionable part of the game. Right, 0:21:49.680 --> 0:21:51.240 you don't know which way the puck's going to bounce. 0:21:52.000 --> 0:21:55.160 But I mentioned nineteen eighty was do you believe in miracles? 0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:57.359 And this is do you believe in ghosts? I really 0:21:57.400 --> 0:22:00.720 do not. A big ufo guy, made very believer in 0:22:00.760 --> 0:22:04.280 the in spirits. I think they're all around us. So 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:07.040 you may know his name. He played, of course, the 0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:10.919 superstar for the Columbus Blue Jackets, Johnny Goodrow, known as 0:22:11.000 --> 0:22:14.240 Johnny Hockey in hockey circles. He and his brother Matthew 0:22:14.320 --> 0:22:17.440 killed by a drunk driver in August of twenty twenty 0:22:17.440 --> 0:22:20.720 four ride near Bike's home from their sister's wedding rehearsal dinner. 0:22:21.400 --> 0:22:23.840 Never got their chance, especially Johnny, to go to the 0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:29.040 Olympics and hockey. One of the cool things about hockey 0:22:29.280 --> 0:22:32.199 is just the brotherhood that is involved in esport. It's 0:22:32.200 --> 0:22:34.399 not a lot of teams talk about their sports talk 0:22:34.440 --> 0:22:36.679 about that, but in hockey, it's a particular thing that 0:22:37.280 --> 0:22:40.000 you may have seen Johnny Gudro's number thirteen jersey hanging 0:22:40.119 --> 0:22:45.119 in the USA locker room after the game. After the 0:22:45.160 --> 0:22:48.040 initial picture was taken of the US players on the ice, 0:22:49.160 --> 0:22:52.720 they brought out Johnny Gudro's children, Johnny Junior, who's was 0:22:52.760 --> 0:22:55.680 his second birthday, and Noah, were on the ice for 0:22:55.760 --> 0:22:58.560 the celebration. They took the kids out and held them 0:22:58.640 --> 0:23:01.760 up with their dad's jersey. Even though technically he didn't 0:23:01.760 --> 0:23:03.560 make the team, he probably most likely would have made 0:23:03.600 --> 0:23:07.119 the US men's squad and they played in his honor 0:23:07.200 --> 0:23:09.720 and it was just such a touching moment. I mean 0:23:09.920 --> 0:23:11.920 literally put a lump in the throat, if not made 0:23:11.960 --> 0:23:14.920 you full on ball like a baby. That's just how 0:23:14.960 --> 0:23:20.760 cool that was. And Johnny Hockey had died and they 0:23:20.800 --> 0:23:22.399 expected him to be on this team and did not. 0:23:23.960 --> 0:23:27.800 And Dylan Larkin, who was a captain, spoke for the 0:23:27.840 --> 0:23:33.159 team after or captain the Detroit Red Wings. He believed 0:23:33.160 --> 0:23:35.359 that Johnny and Maddie were there somehow, that the puck 0:23:35.440 --> 0:23:37.879 not going in Canadace's net felt like Johnny Gudreaux and 0:23:37.920 --> 0:23:41.040 Mac Gidreaux were standing there doing something and they put 0:23:41.080 --> 0:23:43.400 like a spell around their net. He would have been 0:23:43.560 --> 0:23:45.479 never been back there on defense. But we missed him. 0:23:45.480 --> 0:23:48.440 In love him, I thought, man, there's no other way 0:23:48.520 --> 0:23:53.679 to explain how miracle on Ice two happened, because you 0:23:53.720 --> 0:23:57.159 watch that game and went there's no way Canada is 0:23:57.200 --> 0:24:01.000 not going to score and win this game. And they 0:24:01.040 --> 0:24:04.600 played for I mean a solid most of the certainly 0:24:04.640 --> 0:24:08.000 second and third periods were dominated by the Canadians, and 0:24:08.960 --> 0:24:11.640 when they tied it up, it's like, okay, they got 0:24:11.640 --> 0:24:13.640 thirteen minutes right now to get the overtime, and they 0:24:13.680 --> 0:24:16.719 did despite five and three power plays. I've just never 0:24:16.800 --> 0:24:18.919 seen anything like that as long as I watch hockey. 0:24:19.320 --> 0:24:22.399 That much of a dominant performance not resulting in a goal. 0:24:22.520 --> 0:24:25.040 I mean, that's really really hard to do. And Connor 0:24:25.080 --> 0:24:27.560 Hellbuck was amazing in goal. But also the look, I 0:24:27.560 --> 0:24:30.000 mean missing wide open I McKinnon missing a wide open 0:24:30.040 --> 0:24:31.320 shot and you watch it. 0:24:31.560 --> 0:24:32.680 How is this possible? 0:24:33.800 --> 0:24:35.800 Maybe if you do believe in ghosts and that that 0:24:35.920 --> 0:24:39.320 power did Johnny and Matthew Gudreau. Will the United States 0:24:39.359 --> 0:24:42.040 to win that gold medal? Forty six years to the 0:24:42.119 --> 0:24:44.720 date of the miracle on ice? Did we have another 0:24:44.840 --> 0:24:48.680 miracle and a high point for US hockey for that matter, 0:24:48.720 --> 0:24:53.320 with the women absolutely dominating to win their gold medal. 0:24:53.359 --> 0:24:54.879 I mean, there's no question who's going to win that 0:24:54.920 --> 0:24:59.720 gold and then the US men and another miracle of 0:24:59.720 --> 0:25:04.240 a differ, and that's holding off a very strong Canadian team. 0:25:04.440 --> 0:25:08.199 It really is something I mentioned how hockey this is 0:25:08.240 --> 0:25:09.840 that you know, the most hockey thing in the world 0:25:09.880 --> 0:25:12.560 as you travel, if you you know travel hockey, If 0:25:12.560 --> 0:25:15.720 you travel four thousand miles to play your neighbor, that's 0:25:15.800 --> 0:25:19.240 essentially what why do we call this player neighbor? And 0:25:19.600 --> 0:25:22.440 Jack Hughes, who I mean really is in the NHL 0:25:22.600 --> 0:25:27.159 National Hockey League, really wasn't like, you know, crushing, He 0:25:27.240 --> 0:25:29.960 was like, he's like a fourth line guy. He scored 0:25:30.000 --> 0:25:33.480 I think one goal in his last twenty games, four goals, 0:25:33.480 --> 0:25:36.760 three assistans. In Milan, he just absolutely flashed. And the 0:25:36.800 --> 0:25:39.199 best part was earlier in the game he got a 0:25:39.240 --> 0:25:41.280 high stick to the face, knocked out a bunch of 0:25:41.320 --> 0:25:42.840 teeth on the ice, and he looked down he said 0:25:42.840 --> 0:25:44.840 he saw his teeth there. They're talking to him after 0:25:45.280 --> 0:25:48.200 NBC's talking him after the game, and he's got the toothless, 0:25:48.200 --> 0:25:50.000 bloody smile. I mean it literally his blood in his 0:25:50.040 --> 0:25:54.480 mouth coming down. And it's so hockey because in other sports, 0:25:54.680 --> 0:25:56.680 I mean all about other sports, you knock your teeth out, 0:25:56.680 --> 0:25:59.320 you're probably going to be sidelined for a while. In hockey, 0:25:59.359 --> 0:26:01.760 he didn' miss a shit. His teeth are on the ice, 0:26:01.880 --> 0:26:04.280 is like he's got to be in tremendous pain. And 0:26:04.359 --> 0:26:06.880 of course in hockey, true hockey fashion, he's the guy 0:26:06.880 --> 0:26:09.800 who scores the game winner a minute forty one to 0:26:09.840 --> 0:26:10.760 three on three overtime. 0:26:11.480 --> 0:26:12.879 That was phenomenal. 0:26:14.040 --> 0:26:18.040 And the best part was talking about the ghost element 0:26:18.080 --> 0:26:22.199 here the guy who passed him the puck, Zach Warinsky 0:26:22.200 --> 0:26:27.000 of the Columbus Blue Jackets, the best friend of the 0:26:27.119 --> 0:26:32.680 late Johnny Gudro. What incredible story. I believe in miracles. 0:26:32.800 --> 0:26:35.880 You also got to believe in ghosts. I believe Scott's 0:26:35.880 --> 0:26:38.719 loan on the Big one seven hundred WLW quick timeout. 0:26:38.720 --> 0:26:41.639 More to follow, including at the ten o six today 0:26:41.680 --> 0:26:43.840 on the show, it's Jason Philibaum, attorney at Law. Did 0:26:43.880 --> 0:26:47.720 you see the story involving those at Fountain Square? Remember 0:26:47.720 --> 0:26:49.880 the shooting in front of City Ball at City Bird. 0:26:49.920 --> 0:26:52.200 I guess on Fountain Square October a lot of people 0:26:52.280 --> 0:26:58.359 are downtown, gunshots ring out and the violent summer of 0:26:58.440 --> 0:27:02.359 twenty twenty five exclamation point there with that shooting. The 0:27:02.400 --> 0:27:04.399 guy who pulled the trigger in the City Bird shooting 0:27:04.400 --> 0:27:06.119 that we saw in the video, guess what, he's a 0:27:06.119 --> 0:27:09.359 free man. He was not going to go to jail 0:27:09.800 --> 0:27:13.560 for firing at the people inside Citybird. Why philibomb at 0:27:13.560 --> 0:27:15.280 the ten oh six on that more toar following about 0:27:15.280 --> 0:27:18.880 Foeman's here Sloane he seven hundred WW. Scott flown back 0:27:18.880 --> 0:27:21.800 on seven hundred WW. Trust you at a good weekend. 0:27:23.520 --> 0:27:25.359 Harder getting up this morning when there's that snow on 0:27:25.440 --> 0:27:27.800 the ground. So much for that, you know, little dusting. 0:27:27.800 --> 0:27:29.560 We're supposed to get up until noon yesterday. It was 0:27:29.560 --> 0:27:31.880 still snow in this morning when I got him. But yoh, 0:27:32.359 --> 0:27:34.600 not as hit as hard as New York City, for sure. 0:27:34.960 --> 0:27:37.919 Some areas now at twenty five inches of snow in 0:27:38.000 --> 0:27:40.800 the Greater New York area. There you go, there you go. 0:27:42.040 --> 0:27:43.920 It's five one, three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand, the 0:27:43.960 --> 0:27:46.560 big one talk back iHeartRadio app philibam coming up at 0:27:46.560 --> 0:27:48.919 the ten oh seven our attorney friend, defense attorney. How 0:27:48.960 --> 0:27:53.439 a guy who shoots up Citybird at Fountain Square during 0:27:53.480 --> 0:27:56.359 a very popular time winds up with no time in jail? 0:27:56.400 --> 0:28:00.359 How is that possible? How is that possible? To that 0:28:00.400 --> 0:28:00.760 coming up? 0:28:00.760 --> 0:28:02.520 As I said, just after the top of the hour, 0:28:02.600 --> 0:28:11.159 news here on seven hundred WLW. Hey real quick, I 0:28:11.200 --> 0:28:13.680 heard a little bit about this over the weekend, and 0:28:13.800 --> 0:28:15.720 it's kind of funny that you know, New York City's 0:28:15.760 --> 0:28:18.720 involved in this big record snowstore the blizzard. If you will, 0:28:18.800 --> 0:28:22.919 and if you want to become an emergency snow shoulver 0:28:23.080 --> 0:28:26.160 for the New York City Department of Transportation or Sanitation, 0:28:27.000 --> 0:28:28.800 you have to show up in a flopply in person. 0:28:28.800 --> 0:28:30.200 I don't know how you're going to get there with 0:28:30.280 --> 0:28:32.159 you know, two inches two feet of snow. It's so 0:28:32.240 --> 0:28:34.920 bad that even like door dashes, even door dashing anymore. 0:28:35.600 --> 0:28:37.199 If you can get there, you have to bring with 0:28:37.240 --> 0:28:42.280 you two one and a half inch square photos what 0:28:43.280 --> 0:28:46.920 do photos? And two original forms of IDA. You'll get 0:28:46.960 --> 0:28:48.960 fifteen to eighteen bucks an hour if you want to 0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:51.800 help move snow. Sounds like a job for the other 0:28:51.840 --> 0:28:53.239 part of the say like bills. Mof you'd be all 0:28:53.240 --> 0:28:54.720 over that. But I don't know about New York City. 0:28:56.840 --> 0:29:00.200 So you have to you have to go, and uh 0:29:00.400 --> 0:29:02.480 they have alternate You can stop by the library and 0:29:02.480 --> 0:29:04.720 at a snow day a snowy day library card, which 0:29:04.720 --> 0:29:06.800 is also a valid ID for New York State residents. 0:29:06.840 --> 0:29:08.080 Well, you probably would have to do that. 0:29:08.120 --> 0:29:10.719 Imagine the libraries are closed now a little late, so 0:29:10.760 --> 0:29:12.040 you got to do all this stuff. And one may 0:29:12.080 --> 0:29:16.240 ask the questions, well, wait a minute, what about the 0:29:16.320 --> 0:29:19.320 voter id Act that is that's causing all sorts of 0:29:19.360 --> 0:29:22.800 controversies among well, people who would support man done in 0:29:22.800 --> 0:29:25.560 New York City generally those and progressive and on the 0:29:25.640 --> 0:29:28.160 left going well, you know, we think it's wrong, and 0:29:28.200 --> 0:29:31.280 it's racist, and it's also punching down and it's also 0:29:31.320 --> 0:29:33.640 suppressing the vote to ask people to show up with 0:29:33.680 --> 0:29:37.320 a with an I d uh when they go and register, 0:29:37.360 --> 0:29:40.520 every when they go and vote. So how can you 0:29:40.640 --> 0:29:43.760 how can you be for this and against proof of 0:29:45.280 --> 0:29:47.000 who you are and who you say you are when 0:29:47.080 --> 0:29:50.080 you show up to vote. I think it's again the 0:29:50.120 --> 0:29:53.040 political irony in the twists here or not lost on me, 0:29:54.000 --> 0:29:54.560 Like it's. 0:29:54.400 --> 0:29:55.280 It's harder for you. 0:29:55.440 --> 0:29:55.800 It's hard. 0:29:56.560 --> 0:29:58.920 You're just shoveling some snow here. You know, you're not 0:29:59.000 --> 0:30:02.640 letting you into the Gracie manson or this is the stage. 0:30:02.800 --> 0:30:05.200 Just show up, here's here's eighteen. But we'll give you cash. 0:30:05.440 --> 0:30:07.680 Just show up and shovel. Do you really need what kind? 0:30:07.760 --> 0:30:10.200 Why do you need all that identification on you? If 0:30:10.200 --> 0:30:14.000 you're just shoveling snow. It's a street. You could be 0:30:14.040 --> 0:30:15.960 there anyway and shovel. You don't have to get paid. 0:30:16.000 --> 0:30:17.400 You could just out of the If you're looking to 0:30:17.400 --> 0:30:19.920 get a workout in, go shovel some damn snow. They're 0:30:19.960 --> 0:30:21.880 not going to check your ID. Why do you have 0:30:21.920 --> 0:30:23.760 to go? And who the hell would go through all 0:30:23.840 --> 0:30:26.080 that to make fifteen eighteen bucks an hour in this 0:30:26.160 --> 0:30:27.640 kind of way and the kind of whether it happened. 0:30:27.640 --> 0:30:30.120 Now you may get a handful of people. You're gonna 0:30:30.120 --> 0:30:33.480 need tens of thousands of people to make a sniffing 0:30:33.480 --> 0:30:36.719 in debt in that snow. It's just kind of funny. 0:30:37.160 --> 0:30:39.560 Of course, the difference is I'd go, well, what it's 0:30:39.560 --> 0:30:42.360 the same. Well, you know, you have a constitutional right 0:30:42.400 --> 0:30:44.880 to vote, not necessarily to shovel snow or drive. 0:30:45.480 --> 0:30:49.560 There's the difference. But that said, you wonder you know that. 0:30:49.560 --> 0:30:52.200 The hills that these political types die on, whether they're 0:30:52.280 --> 0:30:54.720 right or in this case left, It just it makes 0:30:54.720 --> 0:30:58.040 your head hurt. Now it's different. You know you're voting 0:30:58.400 --> 0:31:01.160 God given alibar, but you still have to prove who 0:31:01.200 --> 0:31:03.000 you are. You know, in the context of the whole 0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:06.880 argument too, because the whole fact pattern tends to get 0:31:07.440 --> 0:31:10.920 watered down when you have these polarizing arguments. Is quite 0:31:10.960 --> 0:31:15.760 simply there between anywhere since what twenty twenty four, anywhere 0:31:15.760 --> 0:31:21.520 between seven and seventeen cases documented cases where people who 0:31:21.600 --> 0:31:23.960 voted shouldn't have voted, and the bulk of those cases 0:31:24.000 --> 0:31:26.280 turns out to people that were given wrong information by 0:31:26.280 --> 0:31:29.000 the people the bowling plays like yeah, you're fine, go 0:31:29.000 --> 0:31:30.400 ahead and vote, and they do it, and they're like, well, 0:31:30.440 --> 0:31:32.440 you shouldn't have voted here, or you shouldn't voted at all, 0:31:32.480 --> 0:31:37.280 and they just got bad intel. So, you know, the 0:31:37.320 --> 0:31:42.080 idea that somehow that the elections are being swung by 0:31:42.200 --> 0:31:44.480 these people who are not allowed to vote is you know, 0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:46.959 and again it's just more the hysteria which we live 0:31:47.000 --> 0:31:50.800 with in these in these times. Something else that's kind 0:31:50.840 --> 0:31:55.640 of getting buried here is the testimony from Adamisari and 0:31:55.720 --> 0:31:59.360 Mark Zuckerberg last week on the on the whole social 0:31:59.400 --> 0:32:01.240 media trial. I want to sere this thing shakes out 0:32:01.320 --> 0:32:05.680 because the argument is by the state that those companies, 0:32:05.680 --> 0:32:09.760 social media companies deliberately target kids with social media's designed 0:32:09.760 --> 0:32:12.080 for future and the first time we've had social media 0:32:12.120 --> 0:32:16.960 executives testifying before a jury regarding the future of social 0:32:17.000 --> 0:32:19.320 media and what that looks like that they're deliberately charged. Attorney, 0:32:19.400 --> 0:32:21.600 I don't know how you cannot deny that you're deliberately 0:32:21.640 --> 0:32:22.920 targeting kids, because you are. 0:32:23.480 --> 0:32:25.560 But that's the algorithm. It's not just kids, but you're 0:32:25.560 --> 0:32:26.680 also targeting adults. 0:32:26.880 --> 0:32:30.240 Anyone who is on social media is swept up in 0:32:30.240 --> 0:32:32.000 the algorithm, and the whole idea is to get you 0:32:32.040 --> 0:32:35.000 to stay longer, to be engaged longer, which leads to 0:32:35.080 --> 0:32:37.280 more time, more clicks in, more ad revenue. That's how 0:32:37.280 --> 0:32:39.520 the system works. I mean, if you know that going in, 0:32:40.600 --> 0:32:42.880 I don't understand what's illegal about the Well they make 0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:47.080 it addictive. Well find me someone who makes any product 0:32:47.080 --> 0:32:49.560 for that matter that technically doesn't want you to use 0:32:49.600 --> 0:32:52.600 the product. Here, we invented this thing called social media, 0:32:52.600 --> 0:32:53.920 but we really we don't want you. 0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:55.920 To use it. 0:32:55.480 --> 0:32:58.880 Well, it doesn't make any sense if you come up 0:32:58.880 --> 0:33:01.600 with an idea that everybody wants you could make that say, 0:33:01.920 --> 0:33:04.000 well they made it addictive. No, they just made something 0:33:04.000 --> 0:33:08.760 that's much much more engaging than anything in real life. 0:33:09.000 --> 0:33:12.440 So you know, what happens in real life has to 0:33:12.480 --> 0:33:15.280 be more engaging than social media now for kids, that's 0:33:15.280 --> 0:33:17.000 not the case. I was making this argument last week 0:33:17.080 --> 0:33:18.920 is like, this is what school should look like if 0:33:18.960 --> 0:33:22.440 you just simply created a platform like social media using 0:33:22.520 --> 0:33:25.480 these same algorithms in the AA which we have an 0:33:25.480 --> 0:33:28.200 you worry about kids not being engaged in school, that's 0:33:28.200 --> 0:33:29.960 how you do it. You teach them on a phone 0:33:31.440 --> 0:33:33.959 as opposed to a teacher in front of a classroom. 0:33:34.720 --> 0:33:36.920 But we can't have that because that would upset the 0:33:36.960 --> 0:33:39.080 whole system. Then what do we need teachers? What do 0:33:39.120 --> 0:33:41.360 we need administrators? What do we need all these buildings 0:33:41.400 --> 0:33:44.280 for the brick and mortar now goes away or it's 0:33:44.320 --> 0:33:45.240 significantly diminuted. 0:33:45.280 --> 0:33:48.720 We can't have that. Not the disruptors with that as well. 0:33:48.760 --> 0:33:50.720 If you really want to educate kids, you got to 0:33:50.760 --> 0:33:53.320 teach them on their level, which this would do, would 0:33:53.320 --> 0:33:55.640 it not. It seems like an argument for social media, 0:33:55.680 --> 0:33:58.720 or at least for that whole model of making something 0:33:58.520 --> 0:34:01.200 making learning addictive. Case they're just stuff the kids that 0:34:01.320 --> 0:34:03.520 want to do in the first place. It seems to 0:34:03.560 --> 0:34:06.200 me that that's what we should be focused on, But 0:34:06.600 --> 0:34:09.360 no one wants to do that because other forces that 0:34:09.440 --> 0:34:13.360 be want to remain the forces that be. But the 0:34:13.680 --> 0:34:15.600 effects of this whole trial, and you know, whether it's 0:34:15.600 --> 0:34:18.960 addictive for kids for sure, I mean, is it addictive 0:34:19.040 --> 0:34:22.000 like drugs. No, it's it gives you maybe it gives 0:34:22.000 --> 0:34:24.239 you the same release of endorphins and everything else in 0:34:24.280 --> 0:34:26.360 your head it does anytime all of a sudden social media, 0:34:26.400 --> 0:34:29.000 But it reinforces a lot of negative things as well. 0:34:29.320 --> 0:34:32.120 I would also say that everything I've read as far 0:34:32.200 --> 0:34:35.200 as the problems that young people have today, it's yeah, 0:34:35.239 --> 0:34:36.839 social has a lot to do with it, but there's 0:34:36.840 --> 0:34:40.200 pure pressure. There's bullying, there's academic pressure, there's all sorts 0:34:40.200 --> 0:34:42.320 of things coming at them that you could also say, well, 0:34:42.520 --> 0:34:44.279 this is why kids are in such an altered mental 0:34:44.320 --> 0:34:47.400 state right now. It's not just social media. It's modern life, 0:34:48.360 --> 0:34:50.120 of which social media is a part. But you just 0:34:50.160 --> 0:34:52.160 can't single that out and say this is the reason 0:34:52.200 --> 0:34:56.200 why kids are higher suicide rates and previous generations and 0:34:56.200 --> 0:34:58.920 are generally more miserable. It certainly is a big factor 0:34:58.920 --> 0:35:00.239 in it, but it's not the only fact. I don't 0:35:00.280 --> 0:35:02.520 know how you separate that. We'll see how it plays out. 0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:05.440 We'll get a news update in audibly relizes whether when 0:35:05.440 --> 0:35:07.839 the snow is going to tape her off, and believe 0:35:07.880 --> 0:35:10.919 it or not, in just a couple of days, it's 0:35:10.960 --> 0:35:13.200 going to be in the fifties again. You want to 0:35:13.239 --> 0:35:18.000 think this is it for old man Winter. We'll find 0:35:18.000 --> 0:35:20.960 out together. Jason Phillibaum coming up next. That's shooting in 0:35:21.000 --> 0:35:25.279 October at Citybird Chicken on Fountain Square. The guy who 0:35:25.320 --> 0:35:28.200 pulled the trigger, who had caught on video caught. The 0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:30.799 guy is not going to face charges on this. Why, 0:35:30.880 --> 0:35:32.759 he'll explain coming up after news on the Home of 0:35:32.760 --> 0:35:34.040 the Red seven hundred WWT. 0:35:34.120 --> 0:35:36.800 Since no, do you want to be an American? 0:35:37.160 --> 0:35:37.600 All right? 0:35:37.680 --> 0:35:40.640 The man charge and the Fountain Square shooting goes free. 0:35:40.640 --> 0:35:46.560 What how does self defense trump illegal possession of a firearm? 0:35:46.560 --> 0:35:46.919 Of course? 0:35:46.960 --> 0:35:49.640 Talking about what happened outside of Citybird Restaurant on Fountain 0:35:49.640 --> 0:35:52.239 Square back in October twenty four year old she killed 0:35:52.239 --> 0:35:55.320 ferguson charge with the only sassault and proper discharge of 0:35:55.360 --> 0:35:57.600 a firearm and weapons under disability, meaning he was not 0:35:57.600 --> 0:36:00.680 allowed to have a gun because the previous fell in convictions, 0:36:01.239 --> 0:36:04.640 shot at two subjects inside Citybird right there in Fountain Square. 0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:06.799 We saw the video, and this guy's a free man. 0:36:06.840 --> 0:36:11.400 Whiskey tango foxtrot on that. Jason Philibaum, defense attorney at 0:36:11.400 --> 0:36:12.920 a Butler County Jason, welcome back. 0:36:12.920 --> 0:36:16.399 Are you good morning, doing well? Thank you good good good. 0:36:17.200 --> 0:36:20.520 So to recap that that happened, I think October thirteenth, 0:36:20.560 --> 0:36:23.200 I want to say two people shot and survived. The 0:36:23.280 --> 0:36:26.200 individuals inside City Bird were six year old and a 0:36:26.280 --> 0:36:28.880 nineteen year old. The security footage from inside the restaurant 0:36:28.920 --> 0:36:31.200 show they drew their weapons first, that they're going to 0:36:31.280 --> 0:36:35.759 fire through the glass at this individual. Shaquille Ferguson and 0:36:35.880 --> 0:36:39.719 prosecutors revealed the internal Citybird security video. The charges were 0:36:39.760 --> 0:36:44.160 dismissed with prejudice. So let's start with this. Ferguson's are 0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:47.920 already illegally prohibited from carrying a firearm that's weapon under disability. 0:36:48.040 --> 0:36:51.239 How does self defense override otherwise? What is a clear 0:36:51.280 --> 0:36:52.200 cut gun violation? 0:36:53.719 --> 0:36:54.200 It doesn't. 0:36:54.280 --> 0:36:56.840 And that's when you first told me about this, I 0:36:56.880 --> 0:36:58.879 was like, it doesn't make a lot of sense at all. 0:37:00.160 --> 0:37:02.440 I think the only reason that happened in this case 0:37:02.520 --> 0:37:07.000 is because he's facing five other counts from two days before. 0:37:07.760 --> 0:37:11.000 He's charged with allegedly shooting at a couple other people 0:37:11.440 --> 0:37:14.440 firing into a car into a house and having weapons 0:37:14.440 --> 0:37:18.400 wandered disability then and in fact, the shooting from the thirteenth, 0:37:18.400 --> 0:37:22.080 which happened at Times Square, he allegedly was using the 0:37:22.080 --> 0:37:24.799 same gun. So when I first looked at this, I'm like, 0:37:24.800 --> 0:37:27.520 how is that even possible? A judge can't just dismiss 0:37:27.520 --> 0:37:31.239 the case because self defense is something that a try 0:37:31.320 --> 0:37:34.040 or fact should decide. It's not something a judge is 0:37:34.080 --> 0:37:37.680 going to decide before trial starts. But actually what happened 0:37:37.719 --> 0:37:41.399 is the prosecution withdrew the charges, and then when they 0:37:41.480 --> 0:37:44.080 told the judge we're going to withdraw these charges, that's 0:37:44.120 --> 0:37:46.880 when the judge says, okay, I'll dismiss this case and 0:37:46.920 --> 0:37:49.280 then we're going to proceed a trial on the other case. 0:37:50.560 --> 0:37:52.279 Yeah, because he's gonna wipep going to jail maybe on 0:37:52.320 --> 0:37:53.880 these other charges. But again, you know these people that 0:37:54.000 --> 0:37:55.840 get up and scream about how is she not not 0:37:55.920 --> 0:37:58.320 a maybe in these cases, but but you know, innocent Price, 0:37:58.360 --> 0:38:00.360 Oh my god, he was just he was fighting for 0:38:00.400 --> 0:38:02.799 his life and he's a young, upstanding citizen and we'll 0:38:02.800 --> 0:38:05.160 see a picture of him wearing his his cap and 0:38:05.239 --> 0:38:08.320 gown or Yeah, meanwhile, this guy's out committing very serious 0:38:08.320 --> 0:38:11.040 felonies with a gun. It's kind of like Sincere Griggsby, 0:38:11.080 --> 0:38:13.320 by the way, who just arrested was arrested, is the 0:38:13.760 --> 0:38:16.759 guy that fled along with Ryan Hinton. He wasn't the 0:38:16.800 --> 0:38:20.480 one that shot. He and what four accomplices total, including Hinton. 0:38:21.080 --> 0:38:24.720 Sincere Griggsby just got re arrested for you know, another 0:38:24.760 --> 0:38:28.280 gun crime. And so typically the police target these individuals. 0:38:28.280 --> 0:38:30.919 It's not profile, it's the fact that we you're known 0:38:30.960 --> 0:38:33.759 as someone who's a very dangerous, charactered individual out on 0:38:33.760 --> 0:38:37.319 the streets of Cincinnati, especially when it comes to what 0:38:37.400 --> 0:38:40.960 happened with Shaquille Ferguson. And so that's how self defense 0:38:41.000 --> 0:38:45.279 overrides the gun violation. And you know, to recap here, 0:38:45.320 --> 0:38:46.960 how does that work in Ohio? Because you look at it, 0:38:46.960 --> 0:38:48.400 go it doesn't make any sense he shouldn't have the 0:38:48.400 --> 0:38:50.280 gun in the first place. But how does self defense 0:38:50.360 --> 0:38:52.719 law work in that character in that in that Calpaccy 0:38:52.760 --> 0:38:53.240 in Ohio. 0:38:54.280 --> 0:38:56.480 Yeah, first of all, I think he might be found 0:38:56.480 --> 0:38:59.600 guilty or not guilty of the felonious assault, but you 0:38:59.719 --> 0:39:03.520 also be found guilty of having a weapons wonder disability. 0:39:03.760 --> 0:39:06.960 This is essentially what I tell clients imagine a police 0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:10.040 officer who carries a gun for a living, pulls guns 0:39:10.040 --> 0:39:12.600 for a living, ends up firing, and it may even 0:39:12.600 --> 0:39:16.080 be a justified shoot. What typically happens immediately is they're 0:39:16.080 --> 0:39:19.239 put on administrative leave while they're looking at whether this 0:39:19.400 --> 0:39:23.320 was a good shooting. I recently defended a client happened 0:39:23.360 --> 0:39:28.360 to be white, who was charged immediately and also thrown 0:39:28.400 --> 0:39:31.720 in jail that night. He essentially was a uber driver 0:39:32.040 --> 0:39:35.440 or a frideshare driver. Some guy was tailgating him because 0:39:35.600 --> 0:39:38.120 he was driving the speed limit because if they speed they. 0:39:37.960 --> 0:39:38.920 Get tagged for that. 0:39:39.480 --> 0:39:42.000 And the guy jumps out of the car, charges him, 0:39:42.360 --> 0:39:45.680 He pulls his firearmiss back off, and then he's arrested. 0:39:46.080 --> 0:39:48.239 And it's not until three or four days later you 0:39:48.280 --> 0:39:51.480 get the video what shows exactly what happened. And then 0:39:51.520 --> 0:39:53.560 we still had to go to trial where a judge 0:39:53.560 --> 0:39:56.920 found him not guilty. So I tell people a police 0:39:56.960 --> 0:39:59.400 officer that fires a shot is going to have his life, 0:39:59.719 --> 0:40:03.200 you know, uprooted while they investigate this. Sometimes even nationally, 0:40:03.400 --> 0:40:06.240 same goes for an individual. You have the right to carry, 0:40:06.280 --> 0:40:08.680 you have the right to defend yourself, but if you're 0:40:08.680 --> 0:40:11.560 going to be involved in a shooting, everyone is going 0:40:11.640 --> 0:40:13.640 to look at you very closely to make sure you 0:40:13.680 --> 0:40:16.840 did it correctly. And in this case, he might have 0:40:17.120 --> 0:40:20.360 justifiably shot in self defense. I think that's what the 0:40:20.440 --> 0:40:23.880 video shows. But he wasn't justified in carrying a firearm. 0:40:23.960 --> 0:40:26.560 So even in that case, he'd be found not guilty 0:40:26.560 --> 0:40:29.840 of felonius, but then guilty of weapons water disabilities. 0:40:29.840 --> 0:40:30.839 It should be in this case. 0:40:31.239 --> 0:40:33.759 I mean, you can defend yourself affirmatively as he did here, 0:40:33.800 --> 0:40:37.000 and you know, to try and protect his own well being, 0:40:37.520 --> 0:40:40.120 but he should at least be charged with the weapons violation, 0:40:40.280 --> 0:40:40.719 right Why not? 0:40:42.120 --> 0:40:42.359 Yes? 0:40:42.440 --> 0:40:43.680 I think that's exactly now. 0:40:43.680 --> 0:40:45.360 I think at the end of the day, this was 0:40:45.360 --> 0:40:49.879 a strategic decision by the prosecution. They've got him on 0:40:49.960 --> 0:40:53.920 what they believe are five good charges, weapons under disability 0:40:53.920 --> 0:40:58.160 being one of them. And so if if they dismissed 0:40:58.160 --> 0:41:00.200 that case and then he turns around and try this 0:41:00.320 --> 0:41:03.080 other case, is found guilty, then the judge can still 0:41:03.160 --> 0:41:06.360 take care of him as this prosecutor sees fit. So 0:41:06.400 --> 0:41:09.520 I think that's why strategically they dismissed this case. But 0:41:09.960 --> 0:41:12.480 if that was the only case he had, I would 0:41:12.560 --> 0:41:14.880 expect that this would have went to trial, he'd have 0:41:14.920 --> 0:41:18.319 been found not guilty of felonious assault, but then turn 0:41:18.400 --> 0:41:21.160 around and being found guilty of having a weapons wonder disability. 0:41:21.480 --> 0:41:24.200 The key evidence here was the internal security footage from 0:41:24.200 --> 0:41:28.120 City Bird. How common is it for in this case 0:41:28.120 --> 0:41:32.520 exculpatory video to surface after those charges against Shaquille Ferguson 0:41:32.520 --> 0:41:35.120 already filed, and who's response is to find that footage? 0:41:36.360 --> 0:41:37.480 It's the police officers. 0:41:37.480 --> 0:41:41.160 But unfortunately, because of how investigations go, you could be 0:41:41.200 --> 0:41:43.520 sitting in jail three days before they get this video. 0:41:43.800 --> 0:41:47.040 Because imagine what happens. You know, I've got a place here, 0:41:47.160 --> 0:41:50.279 I've got videos up. I'm not a tech guy. So 0:41:50.800 --> 0:41:54.200 some guy comes in, there's a shooting, they find that 0:41:54.280 --> 0:41:56.839 I shot him, I get arrested, I get taken down there. 0:41:56.920 --> 0:41:59.560 No one has access to my video, so it takes 0:41:59.600 --> 0:42:02.000 three or four days before they get the it people 0:42:02.040 --> 0:42:04.200 in here. Then they pull the video and go, oh, 0:42:04.320 --> 0:42:06.959 this is self defense, but I've already sat in jail 0:42:07.000 --> 0:42:09.120 for four days. That's what happens in a lot of 0:42:09.160 --> 0:42:12.160 these places where the police get to a scene, they 0:42:12.160 --> 0:42:14.440 see a guy holding a gun and a guy shot 0:42:14.719 --> 0:42:16.280 they arrest the guy with the gun. 0:42:16.760 --> 0:42:18.040 They take him back to the station. 0:42:18.239 --> 0:42:20.200 He says, I want to speak to an attorney because 0:42:20.200 --> 0:42:22.400 I just got arrested and I was having self defense 0:42:22.719 --> 0:42:25.040 and the only thing they have is a guy being shot. 0:42:25.320 --> 0:42:27.640 They try to get the video, they can't because of 0:42:27.680 --> 0:42:30.399 whatever reason. And then three or four days later now 0:42:30.400 --> 0:42:32.960 they get the whole story. But by that time there's 0:42:32.960 --> 0:42:36.640 already charges pending. So I tell people, you have the 0:42:36.760 --> 0:42:39.200 right to carry, you have the right to defend yourself, 0:42:39.239 --> 0:42:41.640 but do know that's not going to be a good 0:42:41.719 --> 0:42:43.640 day for you, even if it was justified. 0:42:43.760 --> 0:42:46.320 Yeah, there's no question about it, because man, the scrutiny 0:42:46.360 --> 0:42:48.680 is definitely on you. And that's why attorneys like yourself 0:42:48.680 --> 0:42:51.080 and what I've ever spoken with about this, it is like, listen, 0:42:51.120 --> 0:42:53.880 if you defend yourself and you think it's affirmative defense, 0:42:54.120 --> 0:42:56.239 simple you tell the officer, I feel my life was 0:42:56.280 --> 0:42:57.960 in danger. Why did you have My life was into it? 0:42:58.000 --> 0:42:59.600 And that's it, and then you talk to your attorney 0:42:59.600 --> 0:43:02.920 and them sorted out. That's all you give them. 0:43:03.239 --> 0:43:06.400 Yeah, exactly, because I mean, especially nowadays, when you're going 0:43:06.480 --> 0:43:07.520 to be firing a weapon. 0:43:07.560 --> 0:43:09.440 Then also depending on what city you're in. 0:43:09.800 --> 0:43:11.880 I mean, if you fire a weapon down in Houston 0:43:12.000 --> 0:43:16.359 versus you know, maybe a more conservative city, they're looking immediately, hey, 0:43:16.400 --> 0:43:19.359 you've got a gun. We don't like guns, and you're 0:43:19.400 --> 0:43:22.400 a bad guy. And then after everything gets settled in 0:43:22.440 --> 0:43:25.720 court they realize later, Okay, that was a justified self defense. 0:43:25.760 --> 0:43:28.319 But it's just so I mean, it's scary, and that's 0:43:28.360 --> 0:43:30.480 why I think, you know, we got to give police 0:43:30.480 --> 0:43:33.520 some credibility sometimes where they don't want to fire their 0:43:33.560 --> 0:43:36.680 gun any more than we do, because the moment they 0:43:36.719 --> 0:43:40.160 fire their gun, they are going to be under scrutiny 0:43:40.200 --> 0:43:44.720 both nationally, locally and individually. Maybe not so much nationally 0:43:44.760 --> 0:43:47.080 except for unless it's Kyle Rittenhouse or someone like that. 0:43:47.200 --> 0:43:50.040 But at the end of the day, you fire your weapon, 0:43:50.239 --> 0:43:52.040 that the police are going to be looking into your 0:43:52.080 --> 0:43:55.160 life as if you're a perp until you or an 0:43:55.200 --> 0:43:56.760 attorney kind of prove otherwise. 0:43:57.239 --> 0:43:59.600 Defense attorney Jason phil Obama WA Sloane here is seven 0:43:59.680 --> 0:44:02.799 hundred WLW making some sense of the case. From back 0:44:02.800 --> 0:44:05.520 in October, remember the Fountain Square shooting at Citybird Chicken. 0:44:06.080 --> 0:44:08.000 We all saw the video of a twenty four old 0:44:08.000 --> 0:44:12.799 Shaquill Ferguson shooting at individuals dining inside that restaurant. He's 0:44:12.840 --> 0:44:15.640 charged with felonious assault, improper discharge of the firearm, and 0:44:15.719 --> 0:44:18.040 weapons under disability, meaning he's not allowed to have him 0:44:18.040 --> 0:44:20.719 because he's previously convicted of a felony. He lost his 0:44:20.800 --> 0:44:23.879 right to handle a weapon, and yet the court has 0:44:23.960 --> 0:44:26.200 let him go free on this thing because of that 0:44:26.239 --> 0:44:30.040 self defense element that he chose to engage with. So 0:44:30.080 --> 0:44:32.839 he turned himself in immediately. He maintained self defense from 0:44:32.840 --> 0:44:35.440 the jump. How much is that in your opinion, Jason, 0:44:35.800 --> 0:44:38.279 to surrender voluntary and stick to the stories we're talking about. 0:44:38.280 --> 0:44:42.279 How much does that matter legally versus strategically. It does 0:44:42.880 --> 0:44:43.480 some extent. 0:44:43.600 --> 0:44:46.239 I had a law school professor once tell me, he goes, 0:44:46.360 --> 0:44:49.479 remember this phrase, you run, you're done, And that kind 0:44:49.480 --> 0:44:53.560 of symbolizes what self defense is. If you're truly acting 0:44:53.600 --> 0:44:55.759 in self defense, you're going to stick around and talk 0:44:55.800 --> 0:44:58.040 to the police, or you're going to turn yourself in 0:44:58.080 --> 0:45:00.440 the moment you have the ability to do so, you 0:45:00.480 --> 0:45:03.400 start running. Usually that's a sign of guilt. It's a 0:45:03.440 --> 0:45:06.279 sign of a guilty conscience at least. So if you 0:45:06.360 --> 0:45:08.359 start running, then all of a sudden, people are gonna 0:45:08.400 --> 0:45:11.000 look at you and be like, ah, I think you've 0:45:11.040 --> 0:45:12.959 done something wrong, or at least you think you did 0:45:13.320 --> 0:45:16.279 same thing with you know, when there's a situation like 0:45:16.520 --> 0:45:19.160 you've heard battered women syndrome, or you know someone that 0:45:19.280 --> 0:45:21.840 you know fired a shot, or there's an issue with 0:45:22.680 --> 0:45:24.759 you know, whether they're insane or not. You know, people 0:45:24.840 --> 0:45:27.879 that run typically show that they knew what they did 0:45:27.960 --> 0:45:29.800 was wrong. So those are all things that the police 0:45:29.800 --> 0:45:31.640 look at. So if you're going to turn yourself in, 0:45:32.239 --> 0:45:36.080 you know, that's a sign that you you probably or 0:45:36.120 --> 0:45:38.560 at least you know, going with a self defense argument. 0:45:38.880 --> 0:45:41.239 You know, you asked the question earlier about having a 0:45:41.280 --> 0:45:44.239 weapons wondered disability. That's the key. You know, if you 0:45:44.360 --> 0:45:47.600 have you know, a drug offense, a crime of violence, 0:45:47.680 --> 0:45:49.520 or something like that in your history, you are not 0:45:49.880 --> 0:45:51.520 able to carry a firearm. 0:45:51.680 --> 0:45:51.880 You know. 0:45:52.040 --> 0:45:54.239 Let's say, for example, I'm gonna fight with a guy 0:45:54.280 --> 0:45:56.440 who has a gun. The gun drops off and I 0:45:56.480 --> 0:45:59.640 pick it up. Maybe I can defend myself saying that 0:45:59.680 --> 0:46:02.480 it was a duress. It was right there, I'm in 0:46:02.480 --> 0:46:05.279 the middle of a fight, but this guy allegedly had 0:46:05.280 --> 0:46:08.120 a you know, carry concealed when he walked into this place. 0:46:08.520 --> 0:46:10.560 I think if they want the trial, a court would 0:46:10.560 --> 0:46:13.600 have found him guilty of weapons wondered disability at least. 0:46:14.000 --> 0:46:16.960 Yeah, and the tupulus shot him were armed themselves, and 0:46:17.000 --> 0:46:19.440 they drew first, and one was as young as sixteen 0:46:19.480 --> 0:46:22.120 years old. If you look at that age component too, 0:46:22.160 --> 0:46:24.520 because a lot of times the same defense people say, well, 0:46:24.520 --> 0:46:27.080 he sixteen, he is a kid, he couldn't do anything wrong. 0:46:27.800 --> 0:46:30.960 But again, if you're pointing a gun at someone, you 0:46:31.040 --> 0:46:32.680 better be damn sure that they're not armed. In the 0:46:32.680 --> 0:46:34.919 case of Shaquille Ferguson, he wasn't and that might even 0:46:34.920 --> 0:46:35.600 save his life. 0:46:37.080 --> 0:46:39.200 Yeah, and you look at both the I think one 0:46:39.280 --> 0:46:42.200 was sixteen, one was nineteen. Either of them could legally 0:46:42.320 --> 0:46:45.680 kill concealed, so and I think that's another reason the 0:46:45.719 --> 0:46:48.240 police did or the prosecution did what they did, because 0:46:48.239 --> 0:46:51.640 you don't have very sympathetic victims here, or alleged victims, 0:46:51.680 --> 0:46:53.759 because both of them shouldn't have had a gun. No 0:46:53.800 --> 0:46:55.920 one there should have had a gun. And this was 0:46:56.000 --> 0:46:58.960 essentially a shootout at the OK Corral. You know at 0:46:59.000 --> 0:47:03.319 the end they drew first, allegedly by this video, so 0:47:03.400 --> 0:47:06.600 that would justify in his mind saying well, I thought 0:47:06.640 --> 0:47:09.520 I was in fear for my life, so I fired back. 0:47:09.880 --> 0:47:11.920 But then you look at the fact no one should 0:47:11.920 --> 0:47:14.160 have had guns. So the jury'd be looking at this 0:47:14.239 --> 0:47:16.600 and go, what's going on here. There's a guy that 0:47:16.600 --> 0:47:18.960 shouldn't have a gun firing it to other people that 0:47:18.960 --> 0:47:21.560 shouldn't have a gun, and they want us to side guilt. 0:47:21.600 --> 0:47:23.759 I mean, I think that's why the prosecution did what 0:47:23.800 --> 0:47:25.839 they did. Then they're going to focus on what they 0:47:26.080 --> 0:47:27.120 think the good case is. 0:47:27.120 --> 0:47:30.160 From two days earlier, Jason, the judge dismissed this case 0:47:30.160 --> 0:47:30.800 with prejudice. 0:47:30.800 --> 0:47:31.359 What does that mean? 0:47:32.760 --> 0:47:35.399 That means that it can't be brought back. So when 0:47:35.440 --> 0:47:39.400 they dismissed the case without prejudice, that typically means you 0:47:39.520 --> 0:47:41.640 have some time to bring it back, depending on the 0:47:41.680 --> 0:47:45.839 situation and time constraints. When it's dismissed with prejudice, that's 0:47:45.920 --> 0:47:49.279 mean it's over. You know, they the prosecution couldn't bring 0:47:49.280 --> 0:47:52.000 it back if they wanted. And so let's say, for example, 0:47:52.040 --> 0:47:53.920 they went to the trot, they go to trial on 0:47:53.960 --> 0:47:57.080 the one from the eleventh and they lose, then they're like, oh, 0:47:57.080 --> 0:47:58.640 I want to bring this other case back and at 0:47:58.719 --> 0:48:00.640 least get them on weapons won or ability. 0:48:01.200 --> 0:48:03.319 They can't do that. It's it's over and done with. 0:48:03.480 --> 0:48:07.000 And so I think that's that's another indication that there's 0:48:07.120 --> 0:48:09.040 probably some time considerations. 0:48:09.080 --> 0:48:11.000 You know, he is in jail, he is being held. 0:48:11.719 --> 0:48:14.839 They had trial ready to go, so the judge probably said, 0:48:14.880 --> 0:48:17.000 I'm not going to continue this. You know, if you 0:48:17.040 --> 0:48:19.719 want to dismiss it with prejudice you can. Otherwise we're 0:48:19.760 --> 0:48:23.480 going to trial. And then the prosecution strategically decided let's 0:48:23.520 --> 0:48:27.440 go ahead and you know, go after the hard, easy 0:48:27.480 --> 0:48:28.080 case that they have. 0:48:28.520 --> 0:48:30.080 I think it goes to show you just how strong 0:48:30.080 --> 0:48:33.480 that video evidence was from inst or huh. 0:48:33.560 --> 0:48:36.680 Yes, I mean, you know, people talk about video and bodycams. 0:48:36.920 --> 0:48:40.799 I find that's very helpful in court because you know, 0:48:40.960 --> 0:48:44.000 typically I can't tell you how many times, like in 0:48:44.040 --> 0:48:46.280 the case that I just tried that I told you about, 0:48:46.480 --> 0:48:49.560 if there was no video there. You know, the alleged 0:48:49.640 --> 0:48:52.759 victim in that case said that this guy got out 0:48:52.800 --> 0:48:55.000 of his car first and pulled a gun and pointed 0:48:55.040 --> 0:48:57.960 at him, and Mike I said, no, that didn't happen, 0:48:58.320 --> 0:49:01.200 and you would have had one person versus the other person, and. 0:49:01.120 --> 0:49:03.520 Who knows what the judge would have done. Instead, you 0:49:03.560 --> 0:49:06.040 have video that clearly shows what happens. 0:49:06.400 --> 0:49:09.359 This guy was tailgate and my client he pulls out 0:49:09.360 --> 0:49:12.759 a gun and in self defense, and I think that's what, 0:49:12.960 --> 0:49:16.000 you know, help help the judge decide that case. And 0:49:16.040 --> 0:49:19.440 so in these particular cases, video are very important, and 0:49:19.480 --> 0:49:22.239 that's why a good investigation you need to go do that. 0:49:22.280 --> 0:49:24.200 You need to look at video across the street, you 0:49:24.239 --> 0:49:26.440 need to look at video, you know, at the place 0:49:26.440 --> 0:49:29.440 where this happened. You want to look at everything because 0:49:29.480 --> 0:49:32.120 even using this case as an example, if he walked 0:49:32.120 --> 0:49:35.040 in with his gun out and that was seen from 0:49:35.080 --> 0:49:38.960 another video or then his self defense may not be 0:49:39.040 --> 0:49:41.600 so easy because it looked like he was going in 0:49:41.640 --> 0:49:44.279 for a fight. But the fact that he walked in 0:49:44.440 --> 0:49:46.680 and then they pulled a gun first, and the video 0:49:46.800 --> 0:49:50.120 is very clear about that. That's the difference between sometimes 0:49:50.160 --> 0:49:51.200 guilt and not guilty. 0:49:51.440 --> 0:49:54.000 Yeah, and let's not forget the fact that this is 0:49:54.040 --> 0:49:58.520 the case that costs Chief Terry Fiji her job and 0:49:58.560 --> 0:50:00.799 brought to interim Chief Adam any In at this thing. 0:50:00.840 --> 0:50:03.240 So there's a lot of political community weight and pressure 0:50:03.280 --> 0:50:06.200 here too. Does that change how the prosecutor handled this? 0:50:07.760 --> 0:50:08.640 You know, I would hope not. 0:50:09.440 --> 0:50:10.960 I think at the end of the day that the 0:50:11.000 --> 0:50:14.520 prosecution in their mind thinks, we got this guy who's 0:50:14.520 --> 0:50:17.680 carrying a firearm that shouldn't be carrying a firearm. He's 0:50:17.719 --> 0:50:23.040 now shot at or shot multiple people over different days. 0:50:23.440 --> 0:50:25.439 You know, in her mind, I want to make sure 0:50:25.520 --> 0:50:28.560 that this guy is held accountable, So I'm going to 0:50:28.640 --> 0:50:31.160 do what's strategically best for the case. That's what I 0:50:31.200 --> 0:50:34.440 hope a prosecutor would decide. And since she's more of 0:50:34.480 --> 0:50:37.160 a county instead of a city, I would think that 0:50:37.160 --> 0:50:40.040 that's the decision that went into it is that's that's 0:50:40.120 --> 0:50:43.120 put all our eggs in the case that is going 0:50:43.160 --> 0:50:46.080 to be easier to prove instead of the one where 0:50:46.400 --> 0:50:48.920 you know, our guys shot at first or something of 0:50:48.960 --> 0:50:51.400 that nature. So I think I think that's probably what 0:50:51.600 --> 0:50:53.640 endo the mindset. And at the end of the day, 0:50:53.760 --> 0:50:56.840 if I'm a prosecutor, I'm thinking, you know, she got 0:50:57.040 --> 0:50:59.439 she got let go because there's crime. Well, you still 0:50:59.520 --> 0:51:01.359 had a sick ten year old and a nineteen year 0:51:01.400 --> 0:51:03.960 old carrying gun pointing it out in the public area. 0:51:04.280 --> 0:51:06.880 I mean, that's stell problematic. So I'm thinking in her mind, 0:51:07.400 --> 0:51:09.920 you know, she would do what is best for the case, 0:51:09.960 --> 0:51:12.839 and I would hope that political part would not play 0:51:12.880 --> 0:51:13.319 a role in it. 0:51:13.360 --> 0:51:16.319 All Right, this guy's name is Shaquille Ferguson, and he 0:51:16.680 --> 0:51:19.880 is exonerated from this crime, dismissed with prejudice, even though 0:51:19.920 --> 0:51:21.320 he shouldn't have a gun in the first place. And 0:51:21.360 --> 0:51:23.279 that's what we're talking about with Jason Philbaum right now. 0:51:23.320 --> 0:51:26.800 But as you mentioned at the jump, Ferguson's now facing 0:51:26.840 --> 0:51:29.320 separate charges in a North Side shooting. This happened just 0:51:29.400 --> 0:51:32.239 days before what happened in Fountain Square, So can the 0:51:32.320 --> 0:51:36.040 prosecutors in that case use Fountain Square that that will 0:51:36.080 --> 0:51:38.960 listen against him, even though those charges were dismissed with prejudice. 0:51:40.160 --> 0:51:44.400 Possibly, And the reason that's going to happen is there's 0:51:44.520 --> 0:51:46.960 a I think a report at least in the Bill 0:51:46.960 --> 0:51:50.239 of particulars that the gun that was used on the 0:51:50.320 --> 0:51:54.120 thirteenth was the same gun that was used on the eleventh. 0:51:54.719 --> 0:51:58.080 So they don't have the gun on the eleventh because 0:51:58.080 --> 0:52:00.440 he obviously took it with him, but they do have 0:52:00.520 --> 0:52:02.920 the gun from the thirteenth because he turned himself in 0:52:03.000 --> 0:52:05.600 and they have that gun, and according to I believe 0:52:05.640 --> 0:52:08.279 reports they were able to run ballistics and match those 0:52:08.320 --> 0:52:11.080 guns up. If that's what comes out in evidence, then 0:52:11.120 --> 0:52:13.680 they will be able to link how they got the gun. 0:52:14.160 --> 0:52:17.359 And so the question to the the police officers, how 0:52:17.360 --> 0:52:19.200 did you get this gun? Oh, well, he brought it 0:52:19.239 --> 0:52:22.600 to me after the second shooting at Fountain Square. You know, 0:52:22.840 --> 0:52:25.960 now that will be interesting because I would expect that 0:52:26.520 --> 0:52:30.040 his attorney will file some motions regarding whether or not 0:52:30.200 --> 0:52:33.480 comes in and so you're probably gonna see some hearings 0:52:33.520 --> 0:52:36.839 down the road about whether or not how they got 0:52:36.880 --> 0:52:38.360 that gun can be choosed. 0:52:39.800 --> 0:52:40.160 In the. 0:52:41.800 --> 0:52:44.680 Case on the eleventh, you had three individual Fountains squarecase, 0:52:44.760 --> 0:52:45.000 you have. 0:52:45.000 --> 0:52:47.440 Three individuals here are twenty four, nineteen and sixteen. All 0:52:47.480 --> 0:52:49.360 of them shouldn't have had guns. These are bad dudes 0:52:49.640 --> 0:52:51.640 who shouldn't have guns in the first place, and either 0:52:51.680 --> 0:52:54.160 they're ganged up or they's some stupid street beef. But 0:52:54.800 --> 0:52:58.319 in that regard, would there be a civil liability here? 0:52:58.520 --> 0:53:01.080 I can't imagine too many folks like this are engaged 0:53:01.680 --> 0:53:04.719 in civil suits against Shaquille Ferguson or vice versa. But 0:53:05.760 --> 0:53:08.120 does that self defense finding a criminal court And the 0:53:08.160 --> 0:53:11.160 fact that the judge dismissed the prevident with prejudice carry 0:53:11.160 --> 0:53:12.600 any weight in a potential civil suit. 0:53:13.719 --> 0:53:17.440 Yeah, absolutely. I mean the best example was O. J. Simpson. 0:53:17.840 --> 0:53:20.160 He was found not guilty in a criminal case and 0:53:20.200 --> 0:53:22.520 then turned around and sued for millions of dollars. So 0:53:23.120 --> 0:53:25.800 just because you're found not guilty in a criminal case, 0:53:25.880 --> 0:53:28.560 or just because the prosecutors side to dismiss the case, 0:53:29.000 --> 0:53:31.680 doesn't mean you can't turn around and sue. Now, again, 0:53:32.000 --> 0:53:35.719 the difference is in a criminal case, you look at 0:53:35.760 --> 0:53:37.200 the action of the defendant. 0:53:38.239 --> 0:53:40.160 Did what he do? Was it a crime? 0:53:40.560 --> 0:53:43.200 And it is not necessarily a defense to say two 0:53:43.239 --> 0:53:44.520 crimes don't make it right. 0:53:44.600 --> 0:53:46.919 You know, two wrongs don't make it right. So that's 0:53:46.960 --> 0:53:47.640 what they look at. 0:53:47.680 --> 0:53:50.320 In a civil case, there is some issue of well, 0:53:50.600 --> 0:53:53.040 did the you know, plaintiff in a civil case bring 0:53:53.080 --> 0:53:56.480 it on themselves? At what point do they have some 0:53:56.600 --> 0:53:59.839 liability and so the you know, not forgetting about whether 0:53:59.880 --> 0:54:01.840 they got money to go around, But the issue is 0:54:01.880 --> 0:54:04.319 going to be, you know, the fact that they had 0:54:04.360 --> 0:54:05.400 guns when they shouldn't be. 0:54:05.480 --> 0:54:07.919 They're not the most sympathetic plaintiff in the civil case. 0:54:08.000 --> 0:54:10.960 Now, this is a bloody summer. In closing, Jason phil 0:54:10.960 --> 0:54:13.880 Obama bloody summer in Cincinnati for share with the citybird 0:54:13.960 --> 0:54:16.880 shoe to mean, of course, what happened in January, or 0:54:16.960 --> 0:54:20.680 what happened last year with Alex Ttravinsky the suspect and 0:54:20.719 --> 0:54:23.080 the victim, and what happened in July twenty twenty five 0:54:24.120 --> 0:54:27.279 and right now and in January. Now in February, we 0:54:27.360 --> 0:54:30.280 had a witness last month failing to appear over safety concerns. 0:54:30.280 --> 0:54:33.560 In this trial, Travinsky faces misdemeanor chargers. A lot of 0:54:33.600 --> 0:54:35.719 people believe those were misfiled and it was some sort 0:54:35.760 --> 0:54:39.160 of racial or administrative with the part administration, some sort 0:54:39.160 --> 0:54:42.600 of retribution. But nonetheless, this happened in July twenty twenty five. 0:54:42.640 --> 0:54:44.920 Here we are in February, about to be March, and 0:54:45.000 --> 0:54:46.520 still there's no movement here. As a matter of fact, 0:54:46.560 --> 0:54:49.640 that case was continued yet again, how many more continuances? 0:54:50.120 --> 0:54:52.279 What happened in the case like this and why do 0:54:52.360 --> 0:54:56.160 they do that? Well, every judge runs are courted very 0:54:56.239 --> 0:54:58.200 a little differently. But one of the issues they're going 0:54:58.239 --> 0:55:00.800 to look at is, you know, is he in jail 0:55:00.880 --> 0:55:03.160 or not. If he's in jail, the court and the 0:55:03.200 --> 0:55:06.360 prosecution have to move quickly and the only way they 0:55:06.360 --> 0:55:10.200 wouldn't move quickly is if the defense asked for continuance. Now, 0:55:10.360 --> 0:55:15.000 according to court records, the continuance here was requested, you know, 0:55:15.040 --> 0:55:16.560 so they could have a bond here and on the 0:55:16.600 --> 0:55:19.000 third to see if he could get out of jail 0:55:19.440 --> 0:55:22.120 while pending. And I'm guessing that if he does get 0:55:22.120 --> 0:55:24.440 out of jail, well the case is pending, they're going 0:55:24.520 --> 0:55:27.200 to kick this out as far as possible. If he's 0:55:27.239 --> 0:55:28.839 not going to be out of jail, then they're going 0:55:28.880 --> 0:55:30.759 to want the case sooner than later so they can 0:55:30.800 --> 0:55:33.440 at least have his day in court, because that's another thing. 0:55:33.440 --> 0:55:35.760 You don't want to be sitting in jail for two years, 0:55:36.120 --> 0:55:37.840 you know, waiting for a case, and then you're found 0:55:37.880 --> 0:55:38.400 not guilty. 0:55:38.440 --> 0:55:39.520 I mean you've done your time. 0:55:41.239 --> 0:55:42.840 Yeah, And this is gonna be interesting. And it just 0:55:43.280 --> 0:55:45.680 it feels like that this is justice delayed in a 0:55:45.760 --> 0:55:47.680 sense because this has gone on. It seems pretty clear 0:55:47.719 --> 0:55:50.399 cut and yet and the city certainly doesn't want any 0:55:50.400 --> 0:55:52.640 part of this. They'd rather just thing simply go away. 0:55:52.920 --> 0:55:56.960 He's defense attorney Jason Philibaum in private practice with Jonnison. Philibbam, Jason, 0:55:56.960 --> 0:56:00.600 thanks for jumping on this morning, all the best always 0:56:00.680 --> 0:56:02.319 there you go. So that makes sense why a guy 0:56:02.320 --> 0:56:04.160 who shouldn't have a gun, who had a gun, who 0:56:04.200 --> 0:56:08.160 shot somebody at Found Square is off free today because 0:56:08.280 --> 0:56:11.520 of the way our gun laws work. It certainly can 0:56:11.560 --> 0:56:13.880 be maddening and frustrating, but that's how it is, and 0:56:13.920 --> 0:56:15.880 it protects us all to some degree, even if you 0:56:15.920 --> 0:56:18.160 are a felon. And this guy's going to get jammed 0:56:18.200 --> 0:56:20.439 up already on something else, so it doesn't take along 0:56:20.560 --> 0:56:25.560 much like a Sincere Grigsby, Ryan Hinton's running buddy, running mate, 0:56:25.719 --> 0:56:28.520 ran from police and now back in trouble again. Most 0:56:28.600 --> 0:56:30.120 people go, well, why would you do that again if 0:56:30.160 --> 0:56:31.920 you got away the first time? And why make a 0:56:31.960 --> 0:56:35.160 thing work? But this is not how folks like that think. 0:56:35.320 --> 0:56:38.879 Scott's Loan Show seven hundred de Wuty Weld. Everyone needs 0:56:38.920 --> 0:56:42.040 help every now and then, and she'sier to help us 0:56:42.080 --> 0:56:45.200 get our heads right. This is Mental Health Monday with 0:56:45.280 --> 0:56:50.040 mental health expert had Shire. So your brain on meditation 0:56:50.360 --> 0:56:54.000 looks a lot like your brain on medication on meditation 0:56:54.120 --> 0:56:58.160 that looks like psychedelic drugs, and how do you use 0:56:58.200 --> 0:56:59.560 that to improve your mental health? 0:56:59.600 --> 0:57:02.080 Not the drug ugs but the meditation. Julie H. Welcome. 0:57:03.360 --> 0:57:03.520 Hi. 0:57:03.600 --> 0:57:04.080 How are you. 0:57:04.160 --> 0:57:04.960 I'm doing fine. 0:57:05.400 --> 0:57:08.239 I don't know if I like this topic because I just, 0:57:08.480 --> 0:57:11.480 you know, the meditation and thinking about stuff. I don't 0:57:11.560 --> 0:57:14.680 like myself enough to hang out that long with myself. 0:57:15.719 --> 0:57:17.080 You don't want to hang out in your head No, no, 0:57:17.120 --> 0:57:17.760 I do not want to. 0:57:17.760 --> 0:57:19.960 Head my headspace. I try to run from my headspace, 0:57:20.000 --> 0:57:21.800 not like lean into it and think more. I need 0:57:21.800 --> 0:57:22.480 to think less. 0:57:23.920 --> 0:57:27.040 Well, meditation is not about thinking more, it's actually about 0:57:27.080 --> 0:57:27.880 thinking less. 0:57:28.000 --> 0:57:30.080 But it's not easy for a lot. 0:57:29.880 --> 0:57:30.640 Of people to do. 0:57:31.200 --> 0:57:32.880 Many of us have a hard time with it. I 0:57:32.920 --> 0:57:35.640 don't do it well. I think it's a great practice 0:57:35.680 --> 0:57:38.840 and I try occasionally, but it's hard for me too. 0:57:39.200 --> 0:57:40.720 Just the idea is kind of a turn off, I 0:57:40.760 --> 0:57:42.080 think for a lot of people because you think it's 0:57:42.080 --> 0:57:46.880 that touchy feely, you know, oat oat bran, granola crunch 0:57:46.920 --> 0:57:50.080 and tree hugging nonsense, and like, it's not my thing. 0:57:50.160 --> 0:57:52.720 But you know, I'd love to be able to lean 0:57:52.720 --> 0:57:54.320 into it because I heard it's like, if you can 0:57:54.440 --> 0:57:57.080 embrace it and do it and lean into it, it's wonderful. 0:57:58.480 --> 0:58:00.360 Yeah, there are a lot of people I know who 0:58:00.440 --> 0:58:04.240 do it. And find it to be incredibly beneficial. But 0:58:04.400 --> 0:58:06.880 I think what's hard about it for most of us 0:58:07.000 --> 0:58:09.280 is that it takes us quite a while to get 0:58:09.320 --> 0:58:11.760 to the place where we can do it successfully, and 0:58:11.800 --> 0:58:15.520 we're easily frustrated by it. There are some really wonderful 0:58:15.560 --> 0:58:18.320 apps out there that take you through guided meditations and 0:58:18.360 --> 0:58:20.520 get you into the practice of doing it in very 0:58:20.560 --> 0:58:23.080 small bites, like five minutes at a time or ten 0:58:23.160 --> 0:58:27.160 minutes at a time, and those are really successful for 0:58:27.280 --> 0:58:30.680 a lot of people. And then once you get into 0:58:30.720 --> 0:58:32.880 the habit of doing it. I know people who really 0:58:32.920 --> 0:58:34.840 don't like to start their day or in their day 0:58:34.880 --> 0:58:37.120 without doing it. This is how they sort of bookend 0:58:37.200 --> 0:58:38.959 their day. Becomes part of. 0:58:38.880 --> 0:58:40.680 Like brushing their teeth, It becomes something. 0:58:40.480 --> 0:58:41.720 They just do every day. 0:58:42.760 --> 0:58:45.760 Yeah, all right, So the study finds that meditation can 0:58:45.880 --> 0:58:48.560 reshape your brain activity, kind of like psychedelics. 0:58:48.600 --> 0:58:49.600 Do you know we heard. 0:58:50.960 --> 0:58:53.480 We heard about people you experiment with mushrooms and things 0:58:53.560 --> 0:58:56.400 like that and getting into zen kind of feeling. So 0:58:56.440 --> 0:58:58.680 I guess the research scan the brains of some Buddhist 0:58:58.760 --> 0:59:02.880 monks that average fifteen thousand plus hours of meditation experience, 0:59:02.880 --> 0:59:04.640 and right there, I look at it as an asterisk, 0:59:04.680 --> 0:59:07.000 because well, if you're a Buddhist monk, your whole job 0:59:07.080 --> 0:59:09.280 is to just be chill. My job is to not 0:59:09.360 --> 0:59:11.000 be chilled, Julie. If your job is to be a 0:59:11.000 --> 0:59:13.880 Buddhist monk and bzen, then you're probably really good at 0:59:13.960 --> 0:59:14.920 meditation anyway. 0:59:15.000 --> 0:59:16.800 So it's kind of a dumb study, isn't it. 0:59:18.080 --> 0:59:21.040 Well, it could be considered that. Yeah, I see why 0:59:21.040 --> 0:59:22.960 you say that, because that's not the way most of 0:59:23.040 --> 0:59:28.200 us live. But in order to study something this specific 0:59:28.560 --> 0:59:32.120 you need people who focus on it specifically, I think. 0:59:32.680 --> 0:59:37.080 And so the study was just twelve months, and they 0:59:37.320 --> 0:59:40.760 have averaged about fifteen thousand hours of meditation so far 0:59:40.920 --> 0:59:45.880 in their life, and they did two different kinds of meditation. 0:59:46.000 --> 0:59:50.600 They focused on two different kinds of meditation. One is samatha. 0:59:50.680 --> 0:59:52.280 I'm not sure I'm saying that right, and the other 0:59:52.400 --> 0:59:55.560 is vipasana. I'm also not sure I'm saying that right. 0:59:55.600 --> 0:59:59.000 But basically what it means is samathas where you focus 0:59:59.040 --> 1:00:02.160 your attention on something like your breath or a candle flame, 1:00:02.760 --> 1:00:06.560 and vitasana is where you broaden your attention to anything 1:00:06.560 --> 1:00:08.600 that happens to flow through your brain, but you just 1:00:08.680 --> 1:00:11.360 let it flow through you don't attach to it, and 1:00:11.400 --> 1:00:15.160 so they're different in the way that they operate and 1:00:15.200 --> 1:00:18.479 they're different in the impact they have. But in order 1:00:18.520 --> 1:00:21.520 to understand the impact that meditation will have on you know, 1:00:21.600 --> 1:00:25.040 as normal people, you need to understand what the impact 1:00:25.120 --> 1:00:29.040 could be and do using experts like this seems to 1:00:29.080 --> 1:00:31.440 make sense in order to gather that information. 1:00:31.680 --> 1:00:35.400 Okay, Yeah, because the fifteen thousand hours, that's about five workdays. 1:00:35.400 --> 1:00:37.040 So if you work an eight hour day, that's five 1:00:37.120 --> 1:00:39.480 years of work of meditation. 1:00:39.680 --> 1:00:41.360 Yeah, if it's your job, you know the. 1:00:42.160 --> 1:00:44.680 Job, you know, they say it takes they say it 1:00:44.680 --> 1:00:46.800 takes ten thousand hours to get good at something. These 1:00:46.840 --> 1:00:47.880 guys are extraordinary. 1:00:48.000 --> 1:00:49.800 Yeah, it's a whole different level right there. 1:00:49.840 --> 1:00:51.680 So it's a whole different level. 1:00:51.840 --> 1:00:56.960 What is the difference between meditation and mindfulness? Your mindfulness 1:00:57.000 --> 1:00:58.920 a lot these Hell, there's a app on your watch 1:00:58.920 --> 1:01:01.600 if you have an Apple watch, it's about mindfulness. What's 1:01:01.600 --> 1:01:02.800 the difference or is it the same thing? 1:01:03.960 --> 1:01:08.720 So meditation is mindfulness, but not all mindfulness is meditation. 1:01:10.480 --> 1:01:13.720 So when you are meditating, you are being mindful. You 1:01:13.760 --> 1:01:17.920 are paying attention to or focusing on what's going on 1:01:18.000 --> 1:01:21.480 in your mind, and you're working to either hone your 1:01:22.400 --> 1:01:26.200 concentration to one thing, like the breath coming in or out, 1:01:26.320 --> 1:01:30.000 or a sound some people use own to meditate on, 1:01:30.200 --> 1:01:36.240 or a candle flame. So that is mindfulness, but not 1:01:36.440 --> 1:01:40.800 all ways of being mindful our meditation, sitting and enjoying 1:01:40.800 --> 1:01:44.600 a really good meal, savoring every bite, sipping the wine, 1:01:44.800 --> 1:01:47.560 seeing the beautiful colors of whatever is in front of 1:01:47.600 --> 1:01:51.640 you on the plate, smelling the aromas, doing that, and 1:01:51.760 --> 1:01:55.280 actually not just eating while you're watching TV, but really 1:01:55.320 --> 1:01:59.800 fully embracing the total experience of a delicious meal. That's mindfulness. 1:02:00.520 --> 1:02:03.640 Taking a walk in nature and paying attention to the 1:02:03.680 --> 1:02:06.240 sounds of the leaves and the birds and the crunch 1:02:06.240 --> 1:02:09.560 of the leaves under your feet, that's mindfulness. So we 1:02:09.680 --> 1:02:12.640 can be aware, which is what I think of mindfulness 1:02:12.680 --> 1:02:15.200 as being being aware of what's happening around you and 1:02:15.240 --> 1:02:18.480 within you. Meditation is a particular version of that. 1:02:18.680 --> 1:02:21.080 Okay, just deeper, is what you're saying. Meditation is like 1:02:22.640 --> 1:02:25.720 shutting everything down, Yes, exactly. 1:02:26.000 --> 1:02:28.160 And what this study found is that some of the 1:02:28.280 --> 1:02:32.360 changes that fifteen thousand hours of meditation made in these 1:02:32.480 --> 1:02:35.320 monks brains are similar to the changes that we see 1:02:35.480 --> 1:02:38.840 when people use psychedelic medication. And so I want to 1:02:38.880 --> 1:02:44.400 say that there is a growing and really robust body 1:02:44.400 --> 1:02:48.560 of evidence that psychedelic medications used in conjunction with therapy 1:02:48.920 --> 1:02:52.480 can really help people with some very difficult, sticky problems 1:02:52.520 --> 1:03:01.160 like PTSD and other trauma responses like intractable depression, like anxiety. 1:03:01.480 --> 1:03:03.480 So the one that we're using most frequently in the. 1:03:03.440 --> 1:03:05.800 State of Ohio is ketamine. And I realized we're not 1:03:05.840 --> 1:03:07.920 talking about psychedelics, but I just want to say that 1:03:08.000 --> 1:03:12.120 they are actually really beneficial in helping people with these 1:03:12.320 --> 1:03:16.280 deeply challenging mental health issues that nothing else seems to 1:03:16.320 --> 1:03:19.600 have made a big difference with. And so what they're 1:03:19.680 --> 1:03:24.320 noticing is that this level of meditation has similar kinds 1:03:24.480 --> 1:03:28.880 of effects on the actual brain wiring and the neurochemistry 1:03:29.240 --> 1:03:30.840 that psychedelic medications do. 1:03:30.880 --> 1:03:32.760 All right, so does acatamine get me there quicker? 1:03:35.720 --> 1:03:39.600 It won't take fifteen thousand hours, it's all Ketamine therapy 1:03:39.640 --> 1:03:41.120 does not take fifteen thousand hours. 1:03:41.160 --> 1:03:43.360 I'm an American. It's like I got time for that. 1:03:43.520 --> 1:03:46.080 I got five years to sit there in om They 1:03:46.160 --> 1:03:48.320 got their gongs, and they've got these bulls. They're making 1:03:48.400 --> 1:03:51.640 noise and crazy. I'm sitting there in this row, but 1:03:52.240 --> 1:03:53.960 I'm thinking about a million other things. Just give me 1:03:53.960 --> 1:03:56.720 the drugs. Let's go, right, the sooner doc. Let's go, 1:03:56.840 --> 1:03:59.360 let's go. Who typically is that written. 1:03:59.000 --> 1:04:05.680 For ketamine prescriptions? People who have, as I said, people 1:04:05.680 --> 1:04:10.280 who have really paralyzing anxiety. It's great for anxiety, it's 1:04:10.280 --> 1:04:15.760 great for depression, it's great for bipolar disorder, it's great 1:04:16.000 --> 1:04:21.040 for stress, post traumatic stress disorder PTSD, and trauma responses. 1:04:22.360 --> 1:04:25.960 It really allows your brain to open some of the 1:04:26.000 --> 1:04:29.160 neural pathways that they may it may not have opened 1:04:29.160 --> 1:04:32.760 before and make connections that didn't make before. And in 1:04:33.400 --> 1:04:37.760 conjunction with therapy. So ketymine itself can be a trippy experience, 1:04:38.000 --> 1:04:42.560 but ketamine assisted therapy is therapy using ketamine to help 1:04:42.640 --> 1:04:46.280 create connections that weren't there before and to help prune 1:04:46.400 --> 1:04:50.440 connections that no longer serve you. And it leads to 1:04:50.480 --> 1:04:53.720 this concept called brain criticality. And this is what they 1:04:53.800 --> 1:04:57.200 found with the meditation study that they did, and the 1:04:57.280 --> 1:04:59.800 way I understand it, and this is a little beyond 1:04:59.840 --> 1:05:02.240 my I scope of expertise, but I did some reading, 1:05:02.280 --> 1:05:04.960 and the way I understand it is brain criticality is 1:05:05.080 --> 1:05:10.960 like this sweet spot when your brain can receive, process, 1:05:11.280 --> 1:05:15.760 and act on information optimally. So we know that receiving 1:05:15.800 --> 1:05:18.440 information is one set of skills that your brain does. 1:05:18.480 --> 1:05:21.600 Processing it is another, and making decisions and acting on 1:05:21.640 --> 1:05:22.280 it is another. 1:05:22.640 --> 1:05:24.280 And sometimes, particularly in. 1:05:24.280 --> 1:05:26.840 Our world, we get so inundated with the stuff coming 1:05:26.880 --> 1:05:29.200 in that we have a hard time processing it or 1:05:29.280 --> 1:05:30.200 making any sense of it. 1:05:30.880 --> 1:05:33.720 Okay, So the study found, if you're experienced, you know, 1:05:33.800 --> 1:05:38.160 fifteen thousand hours, your brains look I guess upon inspection 1:05:38.240 --> 1:05:41.280 with the CT look more meditative, even at rest. But 1:05:41.560 --> 1:05:44.480 what are the real world mental health implications of that 1:05:44.600 --> 1:05:46.400 kind of permanent shift and how long does that take? 1:05:47.600 --> 1:05:47.920 Well? 1:05:48.080 --> 1:05:49.960 I don't know how long it takes, because again, this 1:05:50.080 --> 1:05:52.200 was a study with people who meditate to the degree 1:05:52.200 --> 1:05:56.520 that no actual living person or a monk would, right, right, 1:05:56.880 --> 1:06:00.480 But it is promising that we could get of that 1:06:00.600 --> 1:06:06.120 benefit with less effort and fewer hours of meditation if 1:06:06.120 --> 1:06:09.200 we do it regularly, that it will help our brains 1:06:09.320 --> 1:06:10.480 figure out how. 1:06:10.320 --> 1:06:12.760 Better to process the information. 1:06:12.360 --> 1:06:15.160 Coming in and how better to use it to make 1:06:15.280 --> 1:06:19.800 choices and decisions and take action going forward. And the 1:06:19.880 --> 1:06:23.440 people that I know who meditate regularly say that they 1:06:23.480 --> 1:06:26.080 can tell the difference on days when they do and 1:06:26.160 --> 1:06:29.520 days when they don't, just by how they feel, how 1:06:29.560 --> 1:06:32.200 they operate in the world, how calm they are, how 1:06:32.280 --> 1:06:36.320 quickly they make decisions, how easily they process what's coming 1:06:36.320 --> 1:06:38.160 out them, how they kind of roll with the punches 1:06:38.200 --> 1:06:41.080 that life throws. They can tell the difference on days 1:06:41.080 --> 1:06:44.160 they meditate in days they don't. So I think what 1:06:44.200 --> 1:06:48.040 we can extrapolate from this is that done regularly, even 1:06:48.080 --> 1:06:51.280 on a much smaller scale, like a more normal person scale, 1:06:51.440 --> 1:06:54.720 it can have long range benefits for our ability to 1:06:55.680 --> 1:06:57.840 optimally live in our world. 1:06:58.520 --> 1:07:00.880 Julie hat To share a licensed metal health therapists from 1:07:01.080 --> 1:07:03.200 right here in Cincinnati and Clifton. It's Mental Health Monday 1:07:03.200 --> 1:07:06.040 with Julie. A new study comes out showing that if 1:07:06.040 --> 1:07:09.560 you meditate, it has the same effect as some psychedelic 1:07:09.600 --> 1:07:12.400 drugs like Academy, and you can use that to improve 1:07:12.440 --> 1:07:14.920 your mental state. And even something like mindfulness is a 1:07:14.920 --> 1:07:17.480 good start, which is a smaller version of smaller subset 1:07:17.560 --> 1:07:20.920 of that. And my mindfulness has been commoditizer, it's been 1:07:20.920 --> 1:07:24.400 mainstream the corporate wellness programs and schools and everything else. 1:07:25.840 --> 1:07:28.439 Typically when somebody does it, or meditates for that matter. 1:07:28.480 --> 1:07:32.680 How many minutes a day are they devoting to it depends. 1:07:32.800 --> 1:07:36.080 I mean, as I said, some of these apps give 1:07:36.160 --> 1:07:39.600 you five or ten minute guided meditations that get you started. 1:07:40.520 --> 1:07:43.240 Many people tend to do twenty or thirty minutes at 1:07:43.240 --> 1:07:45.120 the beginning at the end of their day if they 1:07:45.160 --> 1:07:47.360 have the time to do that. But even just a 1:07:47.560 --> 1:07:51.959 little bit of time kind of focusing your brain will 1:07:52.000 --> 1:07:53.640 allow you to have some. 1:07:53.520 --> 1:07:54.320 Of the benefits. 1:07:54.600 --> 1:07:57.600 And mindfulness can be as simple as taking a piece 1:07:57.600 --> 1:08:00.479 of chocolates and putting it in your mouth and paying 1:08:00.520 --> 1:08:03.160 attention to all of the sensations as it dissolves on 1:08:03.200 --> 1:08:06.320 your tongue, really focusing on how does it feel, how 1:08:06.400 --> 1:08:08.880 does it taste, where do you taste it on your tongue. 1:08:09.120 --> 1:08:13.440 But that level of attention and that level of focus 1:08:13.880 --> 1:08:16.280 can help you focus in later in the day because 1:08:16.280 --> 1:08:19.240 it trains your brain to show up in that way 1:08:19.280 --> 1:08:22.000 when you need it to. And don't we all need 1:08:22.080 --> 1:08:24.240 times when we need to focus. I mean, don't we 1:08:24.280 --> 1:08:26.439 all have times when we need to shut out what's 1:08:26.479 --> 1:08:28.120 going on in the world and focus on what's in 1:08:28.120 --> 1:08:28.599 front of us. 1:08:28.640 --> 1:08:29.600 Whatever that might be, No. 1:08:29.720 --> 1:08:32.439 Question, I know, there's some books. I think the Bob 1:08:32.520 --> 1:08:34.200 Rotell a book about this too. If you go all 1:08:34.240 --> 1:08:36.640 for play on play sports, it's like, okay, well I've 1:08:36.680 --> 1:08:38.479 had a bad experience or maybe you're starting to get that, 1:08:38.520 --> 1:08:40.320 you know, the yips are choking or whatever it is, 1:08:40.360 --> 1:08:42.240 and you can't hit a shot, and so they tell 1:08:42.280 --> 1:08:43.960 you it's like, all right, so what you need to 1:08:44.000 --> 1:08:46.040 do is take yourself out of that and you know, 1:08:46.080 --> 1:08:48.240 feel the grass under your feet and smell the you know, 1:08:48.280 --> 1:08:50.200 smell the fush gray to listen to the bird singing 1:08:50.240 --> 1:08:51.880 and uh, visually, what's it? 1:08:51.920 --> 1:08:52.120 You know? 1:08:52.160 --> 1:08:56.200 And it's distracting, is what it is. It's the same principle, Yeah, 1:08:56.240 --> 1:08:56.920 it is. 1:08:57.040 --> 1:08:59.800 It takes your brain out of what it's hyper focused on, 1:08:59.840 --> 1:09:02.080 the isn't getting you where you want to get, and 1:09:02.320 --> 1:09:05.880 allows it to broaden its focus and to relax a 1:09:05.880 --> 1:09:09.200 little bit, thus allowing your body to remember what it's 1:09:09.200 --> 1:09:11.599 supposed to do when you address the ball. If you're 1:09:11.640 --> 1:09:15.320 playing golf, you see this a lot in basketball players. 1:09:15.320 --> 1:09:17.240 I notice that when they get up to shoot free 1:09:17.240 --> 1:09:20.800 throws and they bounce the ball a couple of times, 1:09:20.840 --> 1:09:22.639 they twirl it in the hands, they set their feet, 1:09:22.640 --> 1:09:24.519 they bounce it again and they throw, and they do 1:09:24.640 --> 1:09:26.600 the same thing over and over again. 1:09:26.439 --> 1:09:27.840 Every time they do a free throw. 1:09:28.880 --> 1:09:32.080 This is their body and their brain telling each other, Okay, 1:09:32.080 --> 1:09:34.920 we know what we're doing. We're getting ourselves set, we're 1:09:34.920 --> 1:09:37.599 getting into our little zone there for just a moment, 1:09:37.720 --> 1:09:40.559 and we're going to shoot the free throw. And it's 1:09:40.600 --> 1:09:43.640 that kind of focus when you need it, and the 1:09:43.720 --> 1:09:46.920 ability to zoom out and see the larger picture, like 1:09:46.960 --> 1:09:49.880 same basketball player on the court, running up and down 1:09:49.920 --> 1:09:53.080 the court, taking in everything that's happening. It's that narrow 1:09:53.120 --> 1:09:57.720 focus and broad focus that meditation facilitates. It makes it 1:09:57.760 --> 1:09:59.720 easier for you to zoom in when you need to 1:10:00.080 --> 1:10:02.400 and zoom out when you need to. Know which to do. 1:10:02.479 --> 1:10:04.439 One gotcha, you can turn it on and turn it off, 1:10:04.600 --> 1:10:06.280 which is as you learn to do it through meditating. 1:10:06.360 --> 1:10:07.920 You learn how to turn it on turn it off. 1:10:07.920 --> 1:10:08.240 That's all. 1:10:08.320 --> 1:10:11.120 Like somebody like Tiger Woods talks about his mechanism. When 1:10:11.120 --> 1:10:12.760 he's ten feet away from the bald, he thinks about 1:10:12.760 --> 1:10:14.600 the next shew, he forgets what's going on. And I 1:10:14.720 --> 1:10:17.080 think most people and again it's a sports analogy or 1:10:17.120 --> 1:10:20.160 weekend golf or a weekend athlete kind of analogy. But 1:10:20.640 --> 1:10:23.559 for everybody else is you know, if you're constantly your 1:10:23.560 --> 1:10:26.519 body's constantly stress, that's PTSD. You're setting yourself up for 1:10:26.560 --> 1:10:27.360 a lot of bad things. 1:10:28.600 --> 1:10:31.799 Yes, stress is not great for the body long term. 1:10:32.080 --> 1:10:34.840 Short term, it can be an energizer. And we talk 1:10:34.880 --> 1:10:37.519 about PTSD, we don't talk a whole lot about post 1:10:37.560 --> 1:10:40.760 traumatic stress growth, which may be a topic for another day. 1:10:41.000 --> 1:10:42.800 But there are good things that can come out of 1:10:42.880 --> 1:10:46.640 difficult time, and then we can also get stuck in 1:10:46.720 --> 1:10:47.280 the bad. 1:10:47.080 --> 1:10:48.599 Stuff that comes out of difficult time. 1:10:48.680 --> 1:10:50.599 Yeah, the ruminating meditation. 1:10:50.600 --> 1:10:54.519 Yep, and meditation and mindfulness can help you move from 1:10:54.720 --> 1:11:01.000 the PTSD, the distress disorder, to post traumatic growth where 1:11:01.000 --> 1:11:03.680 you get something good and you move forward in a 1:11:03.720 --> 1:11:06.120 different way from the terrible thing that happened to you. 1:11:06.240 --> 1:11:08.040 I'm sure for a lot of folks, and you're listening 1:11:08.040 --> 1:11:10.479 to this going, I don't know, it's like it feels 1:11:10.520 --> 1:11:14.080 new worldy, and you know, I don't know, it's hard 1:11:14.080 --> 1:11:15.960 to get past that, right. There's a stigma attached to this. 1:11:17.360 --> 1:11:19.600 Well, I think there used to be. I don't know 1:11:19.640 --> 1:11:23.559 that there still is. I've read so many athletes and 1:11:23.680 --> 1:11:26.320 interviews with so many athletes where they talk about meditation, 1:11:26.479 --> 1:11:29.200 and so many business leaders where they talk about starting 1:11:29.240 --> 1:11:31.560 their day or ending their day with a brief meditation. 1:11:32.200 --> 1:11:35.880 So many people focus on mindfulness and training your brain, 1:11:35.920 --> 1:11:38.639 which is essentially what we're doing here, training our brain 1:11:38.720 --> 1:11:42.160 to operate optimally. And I don't think that that is 1:11:42.160 --> 1:11:44.960 as punchy granola and hippie gippy trippy as it used 1:11:45.000 --> 1:11:47.559 to be. I think so many people who are in 1:11:47.760 --> 1:11:51.640 highly successful professions and highly successful fields are using this 1:11:51.720 --> 1:11:54.439 as one of the tools in their toolbox. Like training 1:11:54.439 --> 1:11:57.960 your body to operate optimally, meditation can help train your 1:11:57.960 --> 1:11:58.680 brain to do that. 1:11:59.320 --> 1:12:01.760 I would say that, Julie, if this were to really 1:12:01.800 --> 1:12:04.200 take root in America, you would have a chain of 1:12:04.280 --> 1:12:06.920 meditation clinics or you can get a membership. Then somebody 1:12:06.920 --> 1:12:09.679 goes in and helps you meditate, as opposed to going 1:12:09.720 --> 1:12:12.120 seeing a doctor or a license, right, I mean when 1:12:12.280 --> 1:12:15.040 when that happens in America? For example, you know we 1:12:15.120 --> 1:12:17.519 have inside dog parks, We have places you could take 1:12:17.520 --> 1:12:19.799 your kid to go play inside for grand out a lot, 1:12:20.000 --> 1:12:23.520 we have doordat, we farm everything out. We would do ourselves, 1:12:23.640 --> 1:12:25.800 you know, the easy stuff. You go and get your 1:12:25.840 --> 1:12:28.040 eyebrows threaded, whatever the hell that is. But there's a 1:12:28.080 --> 1:12:30.559 place to go get your eyebrows threaded. I can find 1:12:30.600 --> 1:12:32.559 all sorts off. I go to place. Okay, I want 1:12:32.560 --> 1:12:35.719 to stretch. No, we got there's actually a health center 1:12:35.760 --> 1:12:38.160 that will stretch you out. You can stretch yourself. No, 1:12:38.240 --> 1:12:40.519 I need somebody to do it for me. When we 1:12:40.560 --> 1:12:42.160 have a chain of these and maybe you're the person 1:12:42.200 --> 1:12:44.840 who start at Julie Hatters here a chain of meditation 1:12:45.000 --> 1:12:48.200 slash mindfulness clinics, then this will take root in America. 1:12:48.360 --> 1:12:50.800 You've got to create that urgency and demand. You got 1:12:50.800 --> 1:12:52.120 to tell people what they're missing. 1:12:52.320 --> 1:12:55.080 Yes percent, okay, okay. 1:12:54.920 --> 1:12:57.800 Well then we need to get the meditation marketers on that. 1:12:57.800 --> 1:13:01.519 That's not my jam, but I totally think there's you know, 1:13:01.680 --> 1:13:03.639 maybe maybe there's a place for that. 1:13:03.640 --> 1:13:06.479 You gotta sell people you go in. I mean the airport, 1:13:06.600 --> 1:13:08.760 you got the ones, the Christian Science reading Room. 1:13:09.640 --> 1:13:10.320 It's something like that. 1:13:10.439 --> 1:13:11.960 You a place where you just sit there and read. 1:13:12.000 --> 1:13:14.439 We call the library, but it's a Christian Science reading room. 1:13:14.560 --> 1:13:16.320 You gotta get on this. You got to make billions 1:13:16.360 --> 1:13:18.439 and billions of dollars. You gotta ligne your own pockets. 1:13:18.439 --> 1:13:18.680 With us. 1:13:18.720 --> 1:13:19.599 Julie, you know what I'm saying. 1:13:21.680 --> 1:13:22.559 I totally hear you. 1:13:22.880 --> 1:13:23.760 I'm not sure I'm the. 1:13:23.720 --> 1:13:24.200 Girl for it. 1:13:24.760 --> 1:13:25.080 You are. 1:13:25.240 --> 1:13:26.960 You're too low, You're too meditative. 1:13:27.000 --> 1:13:30.960 That's the problem, all right, So mindfulness meditation, there's apps 1:13:31.000 --> 1:13:32.920 out there. If you think there's something in a check 1:13:32.920 --> 1:13:36.200 into it. I mean, maybe actually be able to instead 1:13:36.200 --> 1:13:37.800 of farming this out and getting a drug for it, 1:13:37.840 --> 1:13:39.439 you can actually do this yourself. I know that's a 1:13:39.439 --> 1:13:42.000 novel concept. She's Julie had to share our licensed mental 1:13:42.000 --> 1:13:44.880 health therapist. It's mental health money in the Scott Sloan Show. Hey, 1:13:44.960 --> 1:13:47.200 Julie at be connected. That care is her hand. If 1:13:47.240 --> 1:13:49.360 you want to reach out, email, question, concern or maybe 1:13:49.400 --> 1:13:51.880 future topic, she'd love to read it from you. 1:13:51.920 --> 1:13:53.760 So Julie will talk next week. You have a good one. 1:13:53.800 --> 1:13:55.479 Thanks again, Thanks you too. 1:13:55.479 --> 1:13:58.120 By all right, we've got record snow in New York City, 1:13:58.400 --> 1:14:01.400 over ten thousand delays cancels. Your concern is if you're 1:14:01.400 --> 1:14:03.599 flying out that way or someone is the next few days, 1:14:03.880 --> 1:14:06.000 it's going to be a problem for sure. So we're 1:14:06.040 --> 1:14:08.280 about ten thousand right now out in that quarter. 1:14:08.479 --> 1:14:08.920 We'll get a. 1:14:08.920 --> 1:14:11.720 News updated momentarily when I return Steve Goodness here, what 1:14:11.800 --> 1:14:15.480 about this ruling by the Supreme Court over Trump's tariffs? 1:14:15.760 --> 1:14:17.840 What does that mean in the long term? He's trying 1:14:17.840 --> 1:14:20.599 to Trump's trying to work around it, and of course 1:14:20.720 --> 1:14:22.920 it adds more costs. You know, we're talking about a 1:14:22.920 --> 1:14:25.680 two thousand dollars refund that looks like it's probably not 1:14:25.680 --> 1:14:27.720 going to happen for us. What does this mean for 1:14:27.800 --> 1:14:30.240 the cost of goods and services here in America? That's 1:14:30.280 --> 1:14:32.680 next on the show seven hundred WW since now you 1:14:32.840 --> 1:14:36.280 want to be an American Indio Scott's folling back on 1:14:36.320 --> 1:14:39.040 this Monday morning here seven hundred WLW. Lots going on, 1:14:39.120 --> 1:14:42.639 including this developing on Friday, the Supreme Court struck down 1:14:42.680 --> 1:14:46.519 Trump's tariffs. So what's going to go on with prices? 1:14:46.560 --> 1:14:48.519 Could prices get worse? And what does all this mean? 1:14:48.560 --> 1:14:50.479 Breaking down how this will play out? Is our buddy 1:14:50.520 --> 1:14:53.840 Steve Gooden, attorney at law, local attorney, and joins the 1:14:53.880 --> 1:14:56.519 show now to discuss because his mind is really good 1:14:56.520 --> 1:15:01.360 when it comes to constitutional law. A well minded constitutional attorney. Steve, 1:15:01.360 --> 1:15:02.040 how are you how you ben? 1:15:02.080 --> 1:15:04.040 Brother? Fantastic? 1:15:04.600 --> 1:15:06.640 Yeah, I'm not sure what that that intro meant, but 1:15:06.680 --> 1:15:10.200 they well minded, you know, yeah, but you know, constitutional 1:15:10.240 --> 1:15:13.160 lost kind of your kind of your thing. So, you know, 1:15:13.240 --> 1:15:16.200 rewinding the Supreme Court rule six three on Trump's terarifs 1:15:16.200 --> 1:15:19.120 are illegal, biggest defeat he's had in the second term. 1:15:19.120 --> 1:15:21.840 The Court said, Congress is the body that has to 1:15:21.880 --> 1:15:25.719 grant those major economic rules and those powers. Uh, they've 1:15:25.720 --> 1:15:28.200 collected one hundred and seventy five billion and tariff revenue, 1:15:28.200 --> 1:15:29.880 and now that money's up in the air. 1:15:30.320 --> 1:15:30.519 Uh. 1:15:30.600 --> 1:15:34.200 The conservatives, the three that dissented, Kavanaugh, Thomas, and Alito, said, well, 1:15:34.439 --> 1:15:35.760 that's a big thing, is how are you going to 1:15:35.840 --> 1:15:37.200 undo this? How are you going to refund this one 1:15:37.240 --> 1:15:40.479 hundred and seventy five billion dollars. So literally, we've had 1:15:40.560 --> 1:15:43.639 hundreds of companies in the last three days file protective 1:15:43.720 --> 1:15:46.880 lawsuits pro to to preserve refund claims because they want 1:15:46.920 --> 1:15:49.080 to want to get on the bus first in order 1:15:49.120 --> 1:15:51.479 to a few indeed get that money back. So, uh, 1:15:51.800 --> 1:15:53.960 let's take it through what happened here. So the it's 1:15:54.000 --> 1:15:57.639 called the Major Questions Doctrine, Uh, to strike the tariffs down? 1:15:57.680 --> 1:15:58.320 And what does that mean? 1:15:59.760 --> 1:16:02.200 Yeah, I mean basically it means, you know, sort of 1:16:02.200 --> 1:16:05.320 what it says is that the Court can take up. 1:16:06.080 --> 1:16:09.559 The Supreme Court can take up cases that they feel. 1:16:10.240 --> 1:16:13.200 I mean, obviously a big, big part of Supreme Court 1:16:13.240 --> 1:16:16.439 litigation is what cases they take. They only take a small, 1:16:16.479 --> 1:16:20.960 small fraction of the cases that are sent there. Otherwise 1:16:21.200 --> 1:16:24.320 you know, they would never be able to function. And 1:16:24.400 --> 1:16:26.880 the Major Questions doctrine lets them take a look at 1:16:27.000 --> 1:16:31.240 the things that they think have overarching policy implications. 1:16:31.280 --> 1:16:32.880 They go beyond just this case. 1:16:33.280 --> 1:16:37.880 And here what you had was the situation that Trump asserted, 1:16:38.360 --> 1:16:40.840 really for the first time in modern history, that the 1:16:40.880 --> 1:16:44.840 president had the authority somewhere in the various laws that 1:16:44.880 --> 1:16:46.880 have been passed if you stitch them all together, but 1:16:46.960 --> 1:16:52.640 particularly relying on this something called the International Emergency Economic 1:16:52.720 --> 1:16:55.960 Powers Act will just passed back in the seventies that 1:16:55.960 --> 1:16:59.880 that somehow gave him the implicit power to unilaterally and 1:17:00.080 --> 1:17:03.759 post tariffs without going to Congress. And if you remember 1:17:03.800 --> 1:17:06.439 from high school civics, you know, a tariff is generally 1:17:06.479 --> 1:17:09.959 considered to be a tax, and under our system, taxes 1:17:10.000 --> 1:17:13.200 really are to be imposed out of the legislature. How 1:17:13.240 --> 1:17:16.160 it's spending and taxing really comes from the legislature. That's 1:17:16.200 --> 1:17:19.680 how it's always been. The president makes proposals in his 1:17:19.800 --> 1:17:23.519 budget for taxing and spending and proposes bills. But the 1:17:23.600 --> 1:17:26.679 idea that he can bypass Congress and impose them without 1:17:26.720 --> 1:17:29.840 that is a major question. It's a classic question, and 1:17:29.920 --> 1:17:33.000 it's one that they thought that were the importance of it, 1:17:33.080 --> 1:17:36.320 what beyond just the facts of this case, and had 1:17:36.360 --> 1:17:38.759 to be reviewed here. And as you can see that 1:17:38.520 --> 1:17:43.439 the majority of the court took the more traditionalist constitutional view. 1:17:43.800 --> 1:17:47.439 They said that, look, this International Emergency Economic Powers Act 1:17:47.760 --> 1:17:52.800 talks about the ability of the president to regulate trade. 1:17:53.040 --> 1:17:57.360 It doesn't explicitly give him the power to impose any 1:17:57.479 --> 1:18:00.920 kind of taxation or tariffs. That's what they call cost 1:18:01.520 --> 1:18:05.760 You know, the construction of the interpretation of the statute. 1:18:05.760 --> 1:18:08.880 If you follow the basic laws of construction of statutes 1:18:09.120 --> 1:18:12.519 under the Ohio system or the US system, Sorry, it 1:18:12.920 --> 1:18:16.479 just doesn't work. So they did give Trump a very 1:18:16.520 --> 1:18:19.400 big rebuke, and it looks as though there's more rebukes coming, 1:18:19.920 --> 1:18:23.280 particularly you know, so you look at the oral arguments, 1:18:23.960 --> 1:18:25.920 you can kind of tell where some of the justices 1:18:25.960 --> 1:18:28.200 are going. Particularly, I think they're going to take a 1:18:28.200 --> 1:18:32.840 similar tact on his unilateral effort to end birthright citizenship. 1:18:33.200 --> 1:18:35.799 So I think there are more cases like this coming 1:18:36.439 --> 1:18:37.440 the Trump administration. 1:18:37.560 --> 1:18:40.320 Well, it's going to if that's true, it's going to 1:18:40.320 --> 1:18:43.800 be a rough well three years left now in his term. 1:18:44.160 --> 1:18:47.600 He did come back, in Trump fashion, fire back and 1:18:47.600 --> 1:18:49.120 say they got it wrong. We're going to do this, 1:18:49.280 --> 1:18:51.400 and you know, without getting too wonky, because there's different 1:18:51.439 --> 1:18:54.040 sections of this Trade Act and your eyes will glaze over, 1:18:54.160 --> 1:18:58.000 but nonetheless he's going to kick this in, which is 1:18:58.040 --> 1:19:01.599 what a fifteen percent taff across the under that section 1:19:02.360 --> 1:19:04.320 because part of it that they did not strite down 1:19:04.400 --> 1:19:07.400 authorizes tariffs to address what they call large and serious 1:19:07.439 --> 1:19:10.679 balance of payment deficits, meaning there's another work around here. 1:19:10.720 --> 1:19:13.240 The only limitation this expires one hundred and fifty days 1:19:13.439 --> 1:19:15.880 unless Congress votes to extend. And the Congress really doesn't 1:19:15.880 --> 1:19:17.920 look like they're doing much these days on anything, let 1:19:17.920 --> 1:19:21.559 alone tariffs, and so what's the consocial problems with that maneuver? 1:19:21.640 --> 1:19:24.080 Or he would declare a new emergency that the clock, 1:19:24.080 --> 1:19:25.439 he'd be on the clock for one hundred and fifty 1:19:25.520 --> 1:19:27.559 days and just go back and declare another emergency. 1:19:27.560 --> 1:19:30.559 He could do that, could he, Well, we don't think so, 1:19:31.080 --> 1:19:33.080 you know, based on my reading, right, he's gone to 1:19:33.120 --> 1:19:35.800 another law now, something called the Trade Act in nineteen 1:19:35.840 --> 1:19:38.680 seventy two. There's something called section two oh three that 1:19:38.840 --> 1:19:42.479 does seem to give him some temporary emergency tariff powers 1:19:43.720 --> 1:19:46.960 up to fifteen percent, which is which is interesting because 1:19:47.720 --> 1:19:50.639 the average tariff under what he had done before, because 1:19:50.640 --> 1:19:53.800 it varied by industry, was about sixteen point three. So 1:19:53.880 --> 1:19:56.640 he gets them back to roughly where he was. But 1:19:56.840 --> 1:19:59.200 as I read it, and as I think most people 1:19:59.280 --> 1:20:03.040 interpret that Act, it is only an emergency power, and 1:20:03.080 --> 1:20:05.600 it does expire at one hundred and fifty days. I 1:20:05.680 --> 1:20:08.000 don't know that he can declare another emergency. I think 1:20:08.040 --> 1:20:10.560 if he tried to to get another one hundred and 1:20:10.560 --> 1:20:12.479 fifty days on the clock, I think the court would 1:20:12.520 --> 1:20:15.200 strike that down. I think the language there is pretty 1:20:15.200 --> 1:20:17.640 clear he's only got one hundred and fifty days. And 1:20:17.680 --> 1:20:20.479 then it has to go to Congress, and I think 1:20:20.560 --> 1:20:25.960 asking a bunch of congress menticularly congressional Republicans and narrowly 1:20:26.000 --> 1:20:31.120 held House with midterm elections coming to approve the tariffs 1:20:31.920 --> 1:20:33.600 is going to be pretty tough, because, you know, the 1:20:33.640 --> 1:20:37.400 Wall Street journals reported all along that you know, the 1:20:37.439 --> 1:20:40.040 tariffs shoa not take the economy the way a lot 1:20:40.040 --> 1:20:44.200 of people thought it would, but it has impacted American consumers. 1:20:44.560 --> 1:20:46.800 Roughly ninety percent of the costs of the tariffs have 1:20:46.880 --> 1:20:49.680 been born by consumers exactly. You know, businesses are just 1:20:49.800 --> 1:20:53.040 passing them along. So you know that that is going 1:20:53.080 --> 1:20:56.080 to be a very politically fraught and difficult thing. And 1:20:56.160 --> 1:20:58.519 another thing I think it's kind of worth considering here, 1:20:58.560 --> 1:21:01.600 and the court doesn't delve into to it explicitly, but 1:21:01.840 --> 1:21:04.880 I think very much in everyone's mind is and it 1:21:04.880 --> 1:21:08.880 also goes to this trade Act. For the first time 1:21:09.680 --> 1:21:15.080 in my lifetime or maybe longer, Trump is a president 1:21:15.120 --> 1:21:18.920 who isn't just using tariffs to correct trade and balances 1:21:18.920 --> 1:21:22.400 and deal with economic issues. Trump has been using tariffs 1:21:22.400 --> 1:21:26.280 to talk about foreign policy issues, to threaten regime change 1:21:26.280 --> 1:21:29.320 in certain countries. He's been using tariffs for reasons that 1:21:29.400 --> 1:21:32.479 they're non economic and to try to force behaviors otherwise. 1:21:32.880 --> 1:21:35.719 That is kind of outside of our tradition. Other countries 1:21:35.760 --> 1:21:37.760 have done it for a long time. It used to 1:21:37.840 --> 1:21:40.360 be very common, you know, one hundred and fifty two 1:21:40.400 --> 1:21:43.599 hundred years ago, they called it mercantilism, where you would 1:21:43.640 --> 1:21:49.479 use your economic might get political things right. And I 1:21:49.520 --> 1:21:52.040 think that is another thing here because this Trade Act 1:21:52.520 --> 1:21:57.840 explicitly talks about trade and balances only, and Trump is 1:21:57.880 --> 1:22:01.040 looking to use tariffs in a much broad way it has, 1:22:01.320 --> 1:22:03.000 so I think that could also get him in some 1:22:03.040 --> 1:22:04.840 trouble with the court if that goes back to be 1:22:04.960 --> 1:22:05.719 litigated again. 1:22:05.800 --> 1:22:08.120 Attorney Steve Good on the Scotsland Show seven hundred W 1:22:08.240 --> 1:22:11.040 l W Trumps tariff struck out on Friday. The big 1:22:11.120 --> 1:22:13.439 question is as a constitution element to this obviously and 1:22:13.479 --> 1:22:17.080 what comes next, But the other forecast is what about prices. 1:22:17.120 --> 1:22:19.320 I think that's our biggest concern. You know, we, as 1:22:19.360 --> 1:22:21.839 you rightly pointed out, we pay for all this stuff. 1:22:22.880 --> 1:22:26.000 Could prices wind up getting worse if he moves forward 1:22:26.000 --> 1:22:28.360 with a fifteen percent across the board global tariff because 1:22:28.360 --> 1:22:31.200 he sees it as a workaround in retribution for what 1:22:31.240 --> 1:22:32.439 the Supreme Court is ruled. 1:22:33.840 --> 1:22:36.200 Well, yeah, I mean, look, we already know the market's 1:22:36.200 --> 1:22:38.240 reaction to this is bad. I mean I looked at 1:22:38.280 --> 1:22:40.519 you know, the market opened about the Dow open about 1:22:40.520 --> 1:22:43.200 four hundred and fifty points down because there's just uncertain 1:22:43.240 --> 1:22:45.720 to hear, as you said, it was one hundred and 1:22:45.760 --> 1:22:48.240 seventy some billion dollars worth of tariffs that have been 1:22:48.240 --> 1:22:51.640 collected and they have not been that money has not 1:22:51.760 --> 1:22:56.320 been spent. So there's already litigations, you know, by companies 1:22:56.320 --> 1:22:58.800 trying to get their share back. It's uncertain as to 1:22:58.880 --> 1:23:02.920 whether we finds will be issued. We also know from 1:23:03.439 --> 1:23:06.280 his public statement, and I think part of Trump's plan 1:23:06.439 --> 1:23:08.439 this year was to have a sort of what he 1:23:08.520 --> 1:23:11.240 was calling a tariff dividend where he was going to 1:23:11.280 --> 1:23:15.360 send individual taxpayers two thousand dollars checks, kind of which 1:23:15.400 --> 1:23:18.680 is reminiscent of some of the COVID bonuses also that 1:23:18.840 --> 1:23:22.519 election year. Yeah, I mean it's the same deal, and 1:23:22.560 --> 1:23:24.360 I don't know how that would have gone over. I mean, 1:23:24.400 --> 1:23:26.439 I think that looks very cynical and bad. So I 1:23:26.479 --> 1:23:28.320 think there's going to be a scramble to hang on 1:23:29.160 --> 1:23:31.120 to that one hundred and seventy five billion. If I 1:23:31.200 --> 1:23:34.800 were a distributor or an importer, I would not be 1:23:34.920 --> 1:23:39.760 expecting any of these any refunds anytime soon. I would 1:23:39.760 --> 1:23:42.840 expect the Trump Justice Department to really put up a 1:23:42.880 --> 1:23:45.920 pretty robust fight there. But in terms of pricing, though 1:23:46.080 --> 1:23:48.160 a lot of people we talk about milk and eggs 1:23:48.160 --> 1:23:51.320 and the mainfix, but it's really very tricky. Sometimes it's 1:23:51.320 --> 1:23:56.120 just components, electronic items and things the factor into otherwise 1:23:56.160 --> 1:24:00.360 American made goods. You know, it really has results in 1:24:00.600 --> 1:24:04.720 a very steady and slow increase of just of just 1:24:04.760 --> 1:24:09.720 physical goods and materials. Overall, everything just feels more expensive. 1:24:10.560 --> 1:24:14.560 But the job market stayed relatively good, the trade in 1:24:14.640 --> 1:24:18.360 ballots has gone down somewhat. It's where it means to 1:24:18.400 --> 1:24:20.519 be seen though in my mind whether or not the 1:24:20.520 --> 1:24:23.080 tariffs have really succeeded in bringing him out of these 1:24:23.120 --> 1:24:26.960 political goals that the Trump administration has, and I think 1:24:27.000 --> 1:24:29.439 again that's what's something that's going to bite him in 1:24:29.520 --> 1:24:32.759 the next wave of litigation. But it is very clear 1:24:32.800 --> 1:24:35.000 now that there's a block of six justices in the 1:24:35.040 --> 1:24:37.760 Supreme Court who are going to be taking a very 1:24:37.800 --> 1:24:41.400 more traditionalist view and say, look, if the if the 1:24:41.640 --> 1:24:45.000 if the our laws don't specifically give Trump the power, 1:24:45.479 --> 1:24:47.800 and I think that's going back to birthright citizenship and 1:24:47.880 --> 1:24:51.040 some of these other issues. If it's not specifically laid out, 1:24:51.400 --> 1:24:53.679 then we're gonna we're gonna, we're gonna clip his legs 1:24:53.680 --> 1:24:55.719 a bit here and and I think that's. 1:24:55.560 --> 1:24:56.519 Going to be what happens. 1:24:56.720 --> 1:24:58.960 And what what was remarkable to me was that Trump 1:24:58.960 --> 1:25:02.559 accepted it too. I mean, he grumbled and yelled, but 1:25:02.640 --> 1:25:04.320 this was one of the first times that Trump and 1:25:04.600 --> 1:25:06.720 again he did find another law and he's trying to 1:25:06.760 --> 1:25:09.400 work around it, but he did accept the decision, which 1:25:09.400 --> 1:25:11.559 I thought was a good day for the country. Yeah. 1:25:12.080 --> 1:25:12.479 Yes, and no. 1:25:12.560 --> 1:25:14.920 He says incorrect and basically on true social which you 1:25:14.920 --> 1:25:16.599 know how many people are looking at. But then again, 1:25:16.720 --> 1:25:20.800 the true social gets reported and reposted all over different platforms, 1:25:20.840 --> 1:25:23.519 and he says that, you know, it's corruption inside the 1:25:23.560 --> 1:25:26.240 Supreme Court, which undermines the whole process. He said, the 1:25:26.280 --> 1:25:28.200 ruling is incorrect. You say, they'll find work around. So 1:25:28.400 --> 1:25:31.760 from a constitutional standpoint, Steve Gooden, when a president of 1:25:31.760 --> 1:25:35.920 public rejects the legitimacy of Supreme Court ruling in this case, 1:25:36.120 --> 1:25:38.640 what guardrails exist to enforce compliance? 1:25:40.080 --> 1:25:42.800 Well, and there aren't any. And I think that's the 1:25:42.880 --> 1:25:46.599 really unfortunate thing about the way Trump has particularly pursued 1:25:46.640 --> 1:25:50.280 his second term. And that's one of the things that 1:25:49.920 --> 1:25:53.439 you know that again not to sound like a high 1:25:53.439 --> 1:25:56.600 falutant lawyer, but it really is bad for the system 1:25:57.080 --> 1:26:01.479 when the president undermines the system, and you know, I 1:26:01.479 --> 1:26:03.640 think it would have been you know, much more you know, 1:26:03.720 --> 1:26:07.280 Reagan esque or even I got I mean Bill Clinton, 1:26:07.360 --> 1:26:09.880 even when he got some very tough rulings about the 1:26:09.880 --> 1:26:13.800 Monica Lewinsky situation and whether he could face liability for 1:26:13.880 --> 1:26:16.400 that while in office. I mean, they were respectful. I mean, 1:26:16.640 --> 1:26:21.240 you can disagree with the decision and be respectful. And 1:26:22.080 --> 1:26:24.599 this really, actually Franklin kind of began under Obama when 1:26:24.600 --> 1:26:27.720 the Citizens United decision came down and he sort of 1:26:27.720 --> 1:26:30.240 rebuked the Supreme Court of the State of the Union address. 1:26:30.240 --> 1:26:32.040 A lot of folks forget that, but that was really 1:26:32.600 --> 1:26:35.839 one of the first times I need that a considing 1:26:35.880 --> 1:26:39.840 president instead of just disagreeing, said hey, you're really tearing 1:26:39.920 --> 1:26:42.040 up the country. And I thought that was Even though 1:26:42.040 --> 1:26:44.720 Citizens United, I think it's certainly a decision that we 1:26:45.080 --> 1:26:47.800 argue about whether it was the right thing. That kind 1:26:47.840 --> 1:26:50.680 of rhetoric between the President of the Supreme Court I 1:26:50.760 --> 1:26:53.880 don't think is good. I mean, disagree with them or not. 1:26:54.160 --> 1:26:56.000 You know, they are the highest court in the land, 1:26:56.200 --> 1:26:58.360 and if you don't like it, you bring new cases, 1:26:58.400 --> 1:27:01.679 you try to relitigate, try to change the underlying laws. 1:27:01.760 --> 1:27:03.920 We have ways in our system. We are a country 1:27:03.920 --> 1:27:06.599 of laws, and in terms of corruption at the court, 1:27:06.600 --> 1:27:08.880 I mean, I don't think there's any real indication of that. 1:27:09.000 --> 1:27:13.280 I mean, this was not a surprise to anybody who 1:27:13.320 --> 1:27:17.320 has set through cost the first year of constitutional law 1:27:17.400 --> 1:27:20.800 in law school. I mean, it's always been a you know, 1:27:21.000 --> 1:27:24.880 there's two guiding principles here. One is taxation comes out 1:27:24.920 --> 1:27:28.200 of the legislature. And number two, if the president is 1:27:28.240 --> 1:27:30.799 not explicitly given the power in the law, he doesn't 1:27:30.840 --> 1:27:34.000 have it. And we've had president since Nixon who have 1:27:34.080 --> 1:27:36.800 tried to kind of flex and be creative in the 1:27:36.840 --> 1:27:40.160 gray areas to try to expand executive power. But this 1:27:40.240 --> 1:27:42.320 is one where if this were the if this is 1:27:42.920 --> 1:27:45.400 if Trump is right, then we're going to have presidents 1:27:45.400 --> 1:27:47.400 going forward who are just going to be able to 1:27:47.400 --> 1:27:50.960 oppose their own view in terms of economic trade policy 1:27:51.000 --> 1:27:54.040 without any kind of guardrails. And that's really outside of 1:27:54.080 --> 1:27:56.880 our system. And when it comes to corruption. The thing 1:27:56.920 --> 1:27:59.840 that kind of bothers me here and not just me, 1:28:00.080 --> 1:28:02.920 but a lot of other observers is when you have 1:28:03.640 --> 1:28:07.439 a one stop shop in the executive for trade policy 1:28:07.479 --> 1:28:10.960 and tariffs, that's where the real opportunity for corruption to 1:28:11.000 --> 1:28:13.640 get right. That's where if you don't have to go 1:28:13.680 --> 1:28:16.000 to four hundred and thirty five members of Congress eternal 1:28:16.000 --> 1:28:18.760 lobby for the exceptions and make your case, if you 1:28:18.920 --> 1:28:21.880 just have to go to the Trump staff, that's a 1:28:21.960 --> 1:28:22.639 real problem. 1:28:22.640 --> 1:28:24.320 Well that's how we got to where we are now. 1:28:24.560 --> 1:28:27.640 You know, Article one of the Constitution gives Congress the 1:28:27.680 --> 1:28:30.280 power to lay and collect tariffs. That's what the curcuent 1:28:30.320 --> 1:28:33.160 course says, like, no, this is not in the executive branch. 1:28:33.240 --> 1:28:36.479 This is in the legislative branch. Let Congress figure this out. 1:28:36.520 --> 1:28:39.360 But we're at a point now where the president was 1:28:39.479 --> 1:28:43.000 unilaterally imposing trillions of dollars in tariffs, and the ruling 1:28:43.920 --> 1:28:47.000 which happened on Friday try to restore that constitutional balance. 1:28:47.040 --> 1:28:48.400 But we were at this point. 1:28:48.400 --> 1:28:48.599 Now. 1:28:48.600 --> 1:28:50.160 The question is how we got there, and you know, 1:28:50.160 --> 1:28:54.040 you pointed out Obama and how we last back and 1:28:54.120 --> 1:28:56.880 what happens is, you know, now you have Trump taking 1:28:56.920 --> 1:28:59.000 that to an extreme, and if it's a Democrat or 1:28:59.000 --> 1:29:01.800 Republican who wins in three years, they'll probably take it 1:29:01.840 --> 1:29:04.479 to the extreme again. I mean, you know, if we're 1:29:04.520 --> 1:29:06.439 at a point now where finally the Supreme Court is 1:29:06.479 --> 1:29:08.439 rulling against it, saying no, you've got to use Congress. 1:29:08.439 --> 1:29:11.720 Congress hasn't done anything since Trump was born in that's 1:29:11.760 --> 1:29:14.000 the problem right now. 1:29:14.080 --> 1:29:14.760 I think that's right. 1:29:14.800 --> 1:29:16.880 I think one of the problems that we have as 1:29:16.880 --> 1:29:18.760 a country right now is that we're living in this 1:29:18.880 --> 1:29:21.920 kind of age of extremes with opinion and you know, 1:29:22.080 --> 1:29:23.040 swings all the. 1:29:23.000 --> 1:29:26.000 Way back with every uh election. 1:29:26.120 --> 1:29:29.080 Administration, right I mean, you know, we have Biden essentially 1:29:29.120 --> 1:29:32.000 open borders of Biden. Now with with with Trump, we 1:29:32.080 --> 1:29:34.720 have not you know, not just a closed border, but 1:29:34.760 --> 1:29:38.080 these really aggressive ice actions in our cities. You know, 1:29:38.120 --> 1:29:41.920 with Biden, you know, the Democratic Party has become almost 1:29:42.000 --> 1:29:46.080 totally free traders. Obviously we had trade issues to work on. 1:29:46.200 --> 1:29:48.960 Now you know, Trump is trying to become almost protectionists. 1:29:49.160 --> 1:29:51.640 And our you know, our footprint in the world is 1:29:51.680 --> 1:29:56.640 so large, both economically, politically and otherwise. You know, the 1:29:56.680 --> 1:29:59.800 idea that we keep swinging this way is causing us 1:29:59.800 --> 1:30:03.160 to lose a lot of respect on the world stage. 1:30:03.160 --> 1:30:06.200 We don't look like that, you know, the Shining City 1:30:06.240 --> 1:30:08.559 on the Hill anymore that Reagan talked about. It just 1:30:08.560 --> 1:30:11.439 looks like whoever's in power, you're going to have you're 1:30:11.439 --> 1:30:15.120 gonna have, you know, these giant swings and policy. 1:30:14.920 --> 1:30:15.000 Uh. 1:30:15.240 --> 1:30:17.720 And then particularly when it comes to trade issues and 1:30:17.760 --> 1:30:20.439 things that impact our homes. You know what we pay here, 1:30:20.720 --> 1:30:21.920 I don't think that's a good thing. 1:30:22.439 --> 1:30:22.639 Uh. 1:30:22.680 --> 1:30:25.240 And I do wish that they've taken a more measured 1:30:25.280 --> 1:30:28.200 approach here. There's no question in my mind that there 1:30:28.240 --> 1:30:32.000 needed to be some targeted tariffs to address trade and balances, 1:30:32.000 --> 1:30:34.960 particularly with countries like China that were taking advantage of 1:30:35.000 --> 1:30:37.840 our kind of blind allegiance to some of these free 1:30:37.880 --> 1:30:41.640 trade principles. But going this far in this sort of 1:30:42.720 --> 1:30:46.479 they almost seem random, they seem punitive, and they are 1:30:46.680 --> 1:30:51.360 clearly were being used for political goals, both domestic and international. 1:30:52.360 --> 1:30:54.680 You know, that's just not what what our system is 1:30:54.720 --> 1:30:55.080 set up. 1:30:55.160 --> 1:30:57.000 Well, you know the idea of a say, we love 1:30:57.040 --> 1:30:59.320 it all these taxes, tariffs so which we're paying for 1:30:59.360 --> 1:31:02.000 the consumer state ninety percent of them, and now we're 1:31:02.000 --> 1:31:04.519 going to take this money that the one hundred and 1:31:04.600 --> 1:31:08.360 seventy five billion collected in tariff revenue and give it 1:31:08.400 --> 1:31:10.760 back to the people. Then what we're just taking money 1:31:10.800 --> 1:31:12.400 from one hand and transwer to the other. Why are 1:31:12.439 --> 1:31:15.040 we suffering through all this pain would be the quizzing, 1:31:15.040 --> 1:31:16.800 oh wait a minute, I mean, oh, I get two 1:31:16.800 --> 1:31:20.400 thousand dollars back. Well, so why do we do this 1:31:20.439 --> 1:31:23.080 in the first place? Would be a legitimate question here. 1:31:23.120 --> 1:31:25.760 And you know, you look at the federal deficit, which 1:31:25.760 --> 1:31:28.599 of course initially we got to do something about the deficit. 1:31:29.560 --> 1:31:31.519 We're not doing anything about that. It's getting worse. 1:31:31.960 --> 1:31:34.759 And this one hundred and seventy five billion represents about 1:31:34.760 --> 1:31:38.000 ten percent of the debt that we owe. You know, 1:31:38.000 --> 1:31:39.639 giving that, I could see taking the money and put 1:31:39.640 --> 1:31:42.000 it towards the bottom line and getting that down. But 1:31:42.320 --> 1:31:43.960 you know it's again, it's only ten percent of what 1:31:44.000 --> 1:31:46.080 we owe. And that's the scary part. He's Steve Gooden, 1:31:46.120 --> 1:31:48.759 Attorney at law, constitutional expert. But I appreciate the inside. 1:31:48.760 --> 1:31:49.680 Thanks again for come on. 1:31:50.720 --> 1:31:52.479 Hey any jubscot, take care you care. 1:31:52.680 --> 1:31:55.800 iHeart media in seven hundred WW salute Cincinnati's own Procter 1:31:55.960 --> 1:31:58.400 and gamble. If you got someone there you'd like for 1:31:58.479 --> 1:32:00.600 us to recognize on the air. Text there now to 1:32:00.760 --> 1:32:03.360 us at fifty one eight eighty one and be listening. 1:32:03.960 --> 1:32:07.040 Run back Devin Atter WLW REDS Baseball is here. 1:32:07.720 --> 1:32:10.640 You listen this weekend It sounded like summer, despite the 1:32:10.720 --> 1:32:15.000 snow and cold temps causing problems, commute problems today and 1:32:15.040 --> 1:32:17.120 of course what's going to New York City? Worse out 1:32:17.160 --> 1:32:21.439 east in Arizona and to a degree, Florida, much much sunnier, 1:32:21.560 --> 1:32:24.480 much much nicer. Reds kickoff Cactus League play on Saturday. 1:32:25.000 --> 1:32:27.400 I have played two games another one two and less 1:32:27.400 --> 1:32:29.320 than four weeks of spring training. I believe cord to 1:32:29.320 --> 1:32:31.840 my math is left before the team packs them heads 1:32:31.880 --> 1:32:35.680 east when the games count. With a look ahead, you know, 1:32:35.720 --> 1:32:37.639 maybe a recap of the weekend, but also this week 1:32:37.680 --> 1:32:40.400 and what to expect the first week of for our 1:32:40.439 --> 1:32:42.720 Red Legs is Jeff Carr with Lockdown Reds, the only 1:32:42.800 --> 1:32:44.519 daily Reds podcast year round. 1:32:44.640 --> 1:32:45.400 Jeff, welcome back. 1:32:45.439 --> 1:32:48.519 How you been Tony. It's great to be back. 1:32:48.600 --> 1:32:51.880 I know that we had snow, got snow, backed, lost snow, 1:32:51.960 --> 1:32:53.120 all the snow snow. 1:32:53.120 --> 1:32:55.519 It's baseball time. It melts the snow. 1:32:55.720 --> 1:32:57.519 Yeah, it was listening a little bit going. Man, It 1:32:57.600 --> 1:33:00.840 just it feels like summer already, despite its weird. I'm 1:33:01.280 --> 1:33:03.160 looking out the window and it's snowing outside, and yet 1:33:03.200 --> 1:33:06.360 the Reds are on, so everything looks set now. Health 1:33:06.439 --> 1:33:08.600 is always the asterisk for any team of course, in 1:33:08.640 --> 1:33:10.360 any sport for that matter. So we don't know, but 1:33:10.960 --> 1:33:12.960 I'm going to jump right in with player number one. 1:33:12.960 --> 1:33:16.880 That'd be Eli de la Cruz. Okay, he said, Hey, listen, 1:33:16.920 --> 1:33:19.280 you know what, I've got to really challenge myself this year. 1:33:19.640 --> 1:33:21.719 I got to really lean into being the best version 1:33:21.720 --> 1:33:24.200 of myself. I can be two time All Star. It's 1:33:24.200 --> 1:33:26.599 still not good enough for him. Battle through a quad injury, 1:33:26.720 --> 1:33:30.720 some personal issues in the season with his sister, and 1:33:31.280 --> 1:33:33.559 he came out of the blocks looking pretty strong. How 1:33:33.600 --> 1:33:36.439 does he look so far in goodyear? I know he's 1:33:36.479 --> 1:33:39.000 reported back and they said, I guess he's in much 1:33:39.000 --> 1:33:40.120 better shape than he's ever been. 1:33:41.240 --> 1:33:44.160 Yeah, he was one of the leading candidates between him 1:33:44.160 --> 1:33:46.920 and South Stewart of best shape of their life because 1:33:47.320 --> 1:33:49.960 he tacked on fifteen pounds of muscle at least, is 1:33:50.000 --> 1:33:52.960 what he said. And honestly, if you look at his biceps, 1:33:53.000 --> 1:33:56.720 which he hasn't worn sleeves all spring training, you really 1:33:56.760 --> 1:33:58.920 wouldn't dispute it because it looks like he could lift 1:33:58.960 --> 1:34:02.920 a car right now. He looks really strong and his 1:34:02.960 --> 1:34:06.800 first couple of the bats on Sunday afternoon really hit 1:34:06.840 --> 1:34:10.320 the ball well to the opposite field, had some good 1:34:10.320 --> 1:34:13.880 line drives. We're talking like doubles power, not necessarily the 1:34:13.960 --> 1:34:17.640 crazy like we'll hit the ball into the river type swings. 1:34:17.720 --> 1:34:20.120 But he doesn't need to do that. He doesn't have 1:34:20.200 --> 1:34:22.080 to be the power in this lineup. He can go 1:34:22.160 --> 1:34:25.040 back to being the chaos in this lineup, and we 1:34:25.080 --> 1:34:28.400 saw exactly what he needs to be on Sunday. 1:34:28.439 --> 1:34:30.840 It's really early in spring training, you know, obviously. 1:34:30.479 --> 1:34:33.040 To get excited about anything, but he looked like he 1:34:33.080 --> 1:34:33.960 was good and ready to go. 1:34:34.840 --> 1:34:37.080 You mentioned Sale Sewart at first base for the Reds 1:34:37.520 --> 1:34:39.840 looked it was just it was a pleasure to watch 1:34:39.920 --> 1:34:41.960 last year and how he delivered in the playoffs. He's 1:34:41.960 --> 1:34:44.400 only what twenty two years old, hen the kid can 1:34:44.479 --> 1:34:48.559 hit the ball, for sure, but coming back into training 1:34:48.600 --> 1:34:50.639 camp now looking like a different version, probably the most 1:34:50.640 --> 1:34:52.280 transformed player we've seen in a while. 1:34:53.320 --> 1:34:56.120 I am very impressed with him because he shows up 1:34:56.160 --> 1:34:58.559 the camp having lost twenty six pounds And I know 1:34:58.600 --> 1:35:00.800 we talked a little bit about that back at Redsveest, 1:35:00.880 --> 1:35:04.360 but he lost twenty six pounds over the offseason, where 1:35:04.400 --> 1:35:06.280 you think, okay, guy got a cup of coffee. He 1:35:06.320 --> 1:35:08.600 played for a month in major leagues, Let's see what 1:35:08.720 --> 1:35:11.120 he really is. And he's like, no, I'm going to 1:35:11.200 --> 1:35:13.400 go ahead and make an adjustment already to my game. 1:35:13.439 --> 1:35:17.600 I'm going to already take that next step physically. And 1:35:17.640 --> 1:35:20.479 I think that that just speaks volumes because it's easy 1:35:20.520 --> 1:35:22.840 for a guy to come in and say what he 1:35:22.920 --> 1:35:27.240 wants to do when you show it that way that early, 1:35:27.560 --> 1:35:31.400 where you barely have any playing time under you. As 1:35:31.400 --> 1:35:34.799 far as the major leagues are concerned, I'm very impressed 1:35:34.800 --> 1:35:36.880 by that. We'll see him at multiple positions, and he 1:35:37.000 --> 1:35:41.280 started a Saturday's game at second base. I would expect 1:35:41.320 --> 1:35:43.800 we see him more at first base, but he has 1:35:43.840 --> 1:35:45.840 the ability to play some second base, and so they 1:35:45.840 --> 1:35:46.680 want to make sure that. 1:35:46.680 --> 1:35:47.360 They use that. 1:35:48.080 --> 1:35:51.599 But he'll definitely be a super valuable piece to this season. 1:35:51.720 --> 1:35:54.160 Yeah, and if you drop twenty six pounds of maybe fat, 1:35:54.160 --> 1:35:56.000 you could be a better second baseman for sure, because 1:35:56.000 --> 1:35:58.240 a knock on him was, you know, footspeed, He's just 1:35:58.280 --> 1:35:58.639 not quick. 1:36:00.080 --> 1:36:01.600 That's exactly what I needed to do. I need to 1:36:01.680 --> 1:36:04.280 drop twenty six pounds before I play second GA. Yes, 1:36:04.320 --> 1:36:08.120 it is sure, but no, no, And the thing for 1:36:08.240 --> 1:36:10.640 me too, slowly is like, that's twenty six pounds. We 1:36:10.680 --> 1:36:13.120 saw a lot of Spencer's year how quickly he could 1:36:13.160 --> 1:36:16.880 move to the ball at first base last season, and 1:36:16.920 --> 1:36:19.479 that was the strength of his Yeah, where scooping was 1:36:19.560 --> 1:36:22.720 kind of the hole in his game defensively if there 1:36:22.800 --> 1:36:24.759 was a hole. Obviously he was a Goal GLAF finalist. 1:36:25.280 --> 1:36:28.040 But I think that south Stewart was a better scooper 1:36:28.120 --> 1:36:30.080 and if he could be quicker to the ball, have 1:36:30.160 --> 1:36:34.320 better reactions, that will just upgrade his defense for the 1:36:34.360 --> 1:36:36.439 Reds there first base. And I think that losing twenty 1:36:36.479 --> 1:36:37.640 six pounds certainly helps that. 1:36:38.120 --> 1:36:38.320 Yeah. 1:36:38.400 --> 1:36:40.639 Yeah, Now another guy out there too, speaking of first base, 1:36:40.720 --> 1:36:41.439 Nathaniel Lowe. 1:36:42.960 --> 1:36:44.959 Yeah, and I think that that was a really sneaky 1:36:45.040 --> 1:36:47.320 move because there were some folks that were linking him 1:36:47.320 --> 1:36:49.880 to the Reds in the offseason as to be a 1:36:49.960 --> 1:36:52.680 smart move. Not necessarily that you know, there was a 1:36:52.760 --> 1:36:56.960 long well there won't they type rumor situation, but a 1:36:57.000 --> 1:36:59.000 lot of folks saying that if the Reds were to 1:36:59.000 --> 1:37:02.440 add Nathaniel so their lineup, that would kind of accomplish 1:37:02.520 --> 1:37:03.960 some of the things that they want. He has had 1:37:04.000 --> 1:37:08.040 a good career, albeit a down twenty twenty five season, 1:37:08.160 --> 1:37:10.840 but where we talked a lot about JJ Blede in 1:37:10.880 --> 1:37:12.840 the fact that he had a good twenty twenty four 1:37:12.880 --> 1:37:16.679 but kind of a questionable every other year. Nathaniel Lowe 1:37:16.720 --> 1:37:19.720 is the exact opposite left handed first baseman who has 1:37:20.120 --> 1:37:22.720 been a really solid hitter. At least according to the 1:37:22.720 --> 1:37:26.280 stat ops plus, he's sixteen percent above league average for 1:37:26.360 --> 1:37:29.639 his career, and so that's a much larger sample size 1:37:29.680 --> 1:37:32.559 being that he's played seven seasons in the major leagues 1:37:32.600 --> 1:37:33.639 for multiple different teams. 1:37:33.640 --> 1:37:35.360 So I'm looking forward to what he can bring to 1:37:35.439 --> 1:37:36.439 this lineup. 1:37:36.680 --> 1:37:39.000 I think that there's a chance that he's more of 1:37:39.040 --> 1:37:41.439 a bench bat, but the fact that you're getting that 1:37:41.520 --> 1:37:44.439 sort of a dude seven year vet on your bench 1:37:44.800 --> 1:37:48.280 where you probably would have had Christian Incarnacion Strand instead, 1:37:48.680 --> 1:37:49.880 it's a big upgrade. 1:37:49.920 --> 1:37:51.599 Well, you put him at first base, you know mentioned 1:37:51.600 --> 1:37:54.439 Sale Stewart and think something happens there. You got a 1:37:54.439 --> 1:37:57.840 little depth anyway, which brings us to the the the 1:37:57.840 --> 1:38:01.360 bench itself. Santiago Espinal's no oner red, so you don't 1:38:01.360 --> 1:38:03.280 have that all around guy anymore. But it seems like 1:38:03.280 --> 1:38:04.760 at each position you got a little more depth. 1:38:05.800 --> 1:38:09.040 Yeah, there's definitely a little bit more speciality rather than 1:38:09.240 --> 1:38:12.200 flexibility to the bench because you've got a couple of 1:38:12.280 --> 1:38:15.000 outfielders and Dane Myers, and then somebody's going to win 1:38:15.040 --> 1:38:18.040 the battle between JJ Bleday and Will Benson, who both 1:38:18.080 --> 1:38:20.040 looked good in the first weekend of the season. Will 1:38:20.040 --> 1:38:24.520 Benson uncorking a massive homer, JJ Bleday hitting two absolute 1:38:24.640 --> 1:38:27.800 streamers of extra base hits to the outfield. I think 1:38:27.800 --> 1:38:30.680 that I am going to watch that very closely. But 1:38:31.040 --> 1:38:33.479 both of them have minor league options. Whoever loses out 1:38:33.520 --> 1:38:36.040 will just go to Louisville and will still be depth 1:38:36.120 --> 1:38:38.000 for the Reds as the season goes along. 1:38:38.360 --> 1:38:40.479 And then you're probably looking at, uh. 1:38:40.560 --> 1:38:43.200 Well, you got Jose Travino on the bench and with 1:38:43.320 --> 1:38:45.040 nathanielo that'll be your four spots. 1:38:45.320 --> 1:38:48.280 Yeah, yeah, and you know you've got that option there 1:38:48.760 --> 1:38:51.760 and moving guys around, because you also have to talk 1:38:51.800 --> 1:38:55.679 about Matt McClain sale Stewart. Okay, if he's at second base, 1:38:55.920 --> 1:38:58.439 what does that mean for Matt Matt McLain isn't doing 1:38:58.439 --> 1:39:01.479 with Matt McClain's posted Now. Grant had very very small 1:39:01.520 --> 1:39:05.080 sample size, but he came out of the blocks sprinting 1:39:05.360 --> 1:39:06.640 this past weekend. 1:39:07.360 --> 1:39:10.160 Lots of hard hit contact, it went the other way 1:39:10.200 --> 1:39:13.000 into the opposite outfield boat or all three times that 1:39:13.080 --> 1:39:16.280 he put the ball into play, one of them wasn't out. 1:39:16.320 --> 1:39:21.040 But he was a fantastic sight to see because we 1:39:21.160 --> 1:39:23.720 know what happened last year where there was just a 1:39:23.720 --> 1:39:25.960 lot of disappointment at the play and if you can 1:39:25.960 --> 1:39:28.120 at least show this early on, and you know, everybody 1:39:28.160 --> 1:39:29.680 always says, well, you got to take this with the 1:39:29.680 --> 1:39:31.439 grain of salt, that with the grain of salt in 1:39:31.479 --> 1:39:35.000 spring in spring training, and while the Mariners weren't throwing 1:39:35.040 --> 1:39:37.639 out any pitcher that's going to make their opening day roster, 1:39:38.360 --> 1:39:41.559 that just ratchets up the pressure a little bit more 1:39:41.640 --> 1:39:45.080 to actually get the thing done. And the Red lineup 1:39:45.120 --> 1:39:48.760 as a whole early on and on a Sunday's. 1:39:48.320 --> 1:39:49.760 Game got the thing done. 1:39:49.760 --> 1:39:52.080 So I was happy to see that from McClain because 1:39:52.080 --> 1:39:54.960 you're right, like he is a kind of lynch pin 1:39:55.080 --> 1:39:57.640 in this team where if he is all right and 1:39:57.680 --> 1:40:00.800 ready to go, everything else makes sense. If he's not, 1:40:01.120 --> 1:40:03.240 then you got to move sal over. You gotta playing 1:40:03.320 --> 1:40:05.800 a lot more. You got to play key Brian Hayes 1:40:05.840 --> 1:40:08.559 a lot more things like that it's going to be 1:40:09.320 --> 1:40:11.880 a very important position for the Reds if Matt McClain 1:40:11.960 --> 1:40:13.840 can get back to the way he was in twenty 1:40:13.920 --> 1:40:14.400 twenty three. 1:40:14.640 --> 1:40:16.920 And you would think he would, I mean, because last year, 1:40:17.040 --> 1:40:18.880 you know, he had that shoulder injury and it seemed 1:40:18.920 --> 1:40:20.519 like he struggled with that a lot, and then he 1:40:20.600 --> 1:40:22.920 hit that funk where he couldn't hit the ball, and 1:40:22.960 --> 1:40:25.080 you wonder how much that is attributed to what's going 1:40:25.120 --> 1:40:27.479 on between his ears. It's a reset. It's a hard 1:40:27.479 --> 1:40:29.640 reset for him. And so is there any indication to 1:40:29.640 --> 1:40:33.360 think he won't get back to his twenty twenty three form. 1:40:33.040 --> 1:40:33.839 None whatsoever. 1:40:33.920 --> 1:40:36.200 I mean, he he had a great interview the other 1:40:36.240 --> 1:40:38.280 day with Charlie Goldsmith where he was talking about the 1:40:38.280 --> 1:40:41.479 fact that, you know, one of the biggest problems he 1:40:41.560 --> 1:40:43.880 ran into last season. Everybody keeps talking about the shoulder. 1:40:43.880 --> 1:40:46.519 He's like, mentally, he's like most guys, you know, we 1:40:46.600 --> 1:40:48.760 like to go out there, we like to compete to win. 1:40:48.840 --> 1:40:51.120 We want to focus on what we can do to 1:40:51.200 --> 1:40:53.519 help our team winning. But when you're in such a funk, 1:40:53.920 --> 1:40:57.320 you fall into this mechanical mindset where you're like, Okay, 1:40:57.320 --> 1:40:59.280 I gotta worry about this. I worry about that, and 1:40:59.320 --> 1:41:02.040 when you're doing that at you're not thinking about how 1:41:02.040 --> 1:41:04.360 you can help your team wins. As selfish as that 1:41:04.439 --> 1:41:08.120 might sound, that's that's kind of the mindsets for ballplayers 1:41:08.280 --> 1:41:10.400 is what they fall into. And he says, I was 1:41:10.720 --> 1:41:13.479 far into the mechanical side of things on my mind 1:41:14.120 --> 1:41:15.920 much too much last season. He's like, I want to 1:41:15.920 --> 1:41:17.320 get back to winning. I want to get back to 1:41:17.760 --> 1:41:20.240 doing whatever I can to help this team get to 1:41:20.280 --> 1:41:22.880 a division title. And I feel really good about being 1:41:22.920 --> 1:41:23.479 in that spot. 1:41:23.680 --> 1:41:26.400 Okay, he is Jeff Carr with Lockdown Reds Only Daily 1:41:26.439 --> 1:41:29.679 Reds podcast, chopping up this past weekend as Ress Baseball 1:41:29.800 --> 1:41:33.000 kicks off at Goodyear and Cactus League action underway. 1:41:33.040 --> 1:41:33.840 Reds a oh in two. 1:41:33.880 --> 1:41:36.240 But the score really doesn't matter, obviously, because you're trying 1:41:36.240 --> 1:41:38.920 to get all these parts together and so far it 1:41:39.000 --> 1:41:43.080 seems really really exciting with the with the Suarez acquisition, 1:41:43.160 --> 1:41:46.439 for sure. Let's talk about the pitching. We talked about offense. 1:41:46.520 --> 1:41:49.720 Let's talk about the starting pitching, which has been a 1:41:49.760 --> 1:41:52.720 strong point for these Red Legs. So you got a 1:41:52.760 --> 1:41:55.120 big question, I guess it'd be in the number five 1:41:55.280 --> 1:41:56.960 starter spot. It's kind of like, you know, you look 1:41:57.000 --> 1:41:59.760 at the hitters, Yeah, well but the all but the 1:41:59.800 --> 1:42:01.720 two looks like it's pretty sad for the top half 1:42:01.760 --> 1:42:02.320 of the lineup. 1:42:02.560 --> 1:42:04.960 How's how's this rotation shaking out? 1:42:06.200 --> 1:42:09.120 I love this fifth rotation battle slowly because it's not 1:42:09.520 --> 1:42:12.439 it's not a old boy you know, we're used to 1:42:12.520 --> 1:42:16.720 rotation battles in years past of okay, yeah, Joe A 1:42:16.960 --> 1:42:19.439 and you know, b whoever goes out there and throws 1:42:19.479 --> 1:42:23.240 you win. This is the kind of decision that you 1:42:23.320 --> 1:42:24.960 make when you look in the garage and you're like, 1:42:25.120 --> 1:42:27.080 I got a Lamborghini and I got a Ferrari. Which 1:42:27.080 --> 1:42:30.759 one we've taken out to that that's how this battle feels. 1:42:30.840 --> 1:42:34.360 And we saw the two leading candidates in the battle 1:42:34.400 --> 1:42:37.840 pitch on Saturday got two innings out of both Chase 1:42:37.880 --> 1:42:40.960 Burns and Reet Lauder. And while one game isn't gonna 1:42:40.960 --> 1:42:43.800 make you think, you know, oh, this guy definitely had 1:42:43.800 --> 1:42:46.479 a has a leg up in the competition. It was 1:42:46.560 --> 1:42:49.120 great to see both those guys pitch back to back 1:42:49.160 --> 1:42:52.719 and there was immediately a question surround surrounding the Reds 1:42:52.760 --> 1:42:56.479 possibility of going to a six man rotation. Could they 1:42:57.320 --> 1:43:00.840 break camp with both guys in the starting rope, and 1:43:00.880 --> 1:43:04.240 there's actually been some talk. Derek Johnson had revealed that 1:43:04.320 --> 1:43:07.320 during the offseason he and Tito talked about that briefly. 1:43:07.800 --> 1:43:10.360 I will note that, as far as I can tell, 1:43:10.400 --> 1:43:13.439 having watched it happen over the last five to ten years, 1:43:13.560 --> 1:43:17.840 it's not the most successful thing. You see less of 1:43:17.880 --> 1:43:21.240 your top starting pitchers, which albeit when you're talking about 1:43:21.240 --> 1:43:22.880 some of the guys we got on our roster, where 1:43:22.880 --> 1:43:24.840 you're like you kind of would like to give them 1:43:24.840 --> 1:43:27.439 an extra day's rest, maybe that would work better for 1:43:27.479 --> 1:43:30.759 the Reds as opposed to teams with more veteran focused 1:43:30.800 --> 1:43:34.559 pitching stats. But I think that ultimately this spot's going 1:43:34.640 --> 1:43:37.439 to come down to either Chase Burns or Reht Louder. 1:43:37.720 --> 1:43:40.280 We've heard some about Brandon Williamson, We've heard some about 1:43:40.400 --> 1:43:43.160 Julian Agyar, but I think that those guys, there's a 1:43:43.160 --> 1:43:46.400 little bit of a gap between Chase Burns, Ret Louder 1:43:46.439 --> 1:43:48.479 and those two guys. And I also think that Chase 1:43:48.479 --> 1:43:51.720 Burns is the favorite in this I would be I 1:43:51.720 --> 1:43:53.599 wouldn't be shocked, but I would be a little bit 1:43:53.640 --> 1:43:57.120 surprised if Opening Day were to happen and somebody not 1:43:57.200 --> 1:43:58.320 named Chase Burns would be there for. 1:44:00.280 --> 1:44:03.040 The bullpen comes in pretty strong, as strong and the 1:44:03.120 --> 1:44:05.200 strongest as they've been in recent memory for sure, or 1:44:05.240 --> 1:44:08.519 maybe long memory. And if you know, you decide that 1:44:08.680 --> 1:44:10.360 maybe we're not going to go with six starters at 1:44:10.360 --> 1:44:12.000 that strengths and even more of the bullpen is going 1:44:12.080 --> 1:44:13.559 to be a huge asset again the season. 1:44:14.400 --> 1:44:16.320 Absolutely, they spend a lot of money and a lot 1:44:16.320 --> 1:44:20.160 of time upgrading this bullpen. And it's not just about 1:44:20.360 --> 1:44:23.040 you know, guys who have done it before, because I'm 1:44:23.040 --> 1:44:25.040 one of the first people that will tell you relief 1:44:25.080 --> 1:44:26.360 pitching is a sickle thing. 1:44:26.479 --> 1:44:28.120 Yeah, And I always point. 1:44:27.840 --> 1:44:30.599 To Eric gangnie guy who set the record for most 1:44:30.640 --> 1:44:33.000 consecutive saves and then he stole off the table and 1:44:33.040 --> 1:44:37.400 nobody heard from him ever. Again, you can be like 1:44:37.680 --> 1:44:41.519 amazing one year and you could just absolutely fall off 1:44:41.520 --> 1:44:44.240 a cliff the next year. So it's not just about 1:44:44.240 --> 1:44:47.839 past productions, about like weapons and stuff and what guys 1:44:47.880 --> 1:44:50.400 have to throw. And I looked first and foremost at 1:44:50.439 --> 1:44:53.320 Pierce Johnson and the curve ball that most guys in 1:44:53.360 --> 1:44:55.800 the Reds bullpen haven't had in a long time. Like 1:44:55.840 --> 1:44:59.920 we're usually talking about sinker spider type pitchers or guys 1:45:00.160 --> 1:45:04.759 with like electric fastballs, the touch, triple digits. Pierce Jackson's 1:45:04.800 --> 1:45:07.400 got a hook that breaks off the table, and hitters 1:45:07.439 --> 1:45:09.160 just aren't going to be ready for that sort of 1:45:09.200 --> 1:45:11.320 a change of pace. And I really feel like this 1:45:11.439 --> 1:45:13.840 bullpen has so many weapons for Terry frankcon to the 1:45:13.880 --> 1:45:16.960 call upon this year that they did a great job 1:45:16.960 --> 1:45:20.120 of bringing in these veterans to make this a strength. 1:45:20.240 --> 1:45:22.120 And we saw on Sunday, and there might be some 1:45:22.160 --> 1:45:25.160 people that are like, well, Sunday, the bullpen really didn't 1:45:25.160 --> 1:45:27.639 look all that good. And and some of those names 1:45:27.640 --> 1:45:30.679 I heard last year. That's the reason why the Reds 1:45:30.680 --> 1:45:33.840 focused so much time on this group, where I might 1:45:33.880 --> 1:45:35.680 have thought they could have saved that money and spent 1:45:35.760 --> 1:45:38.080 it more on, you know, maybe getting a college forb 1:45:38.200 --> 1:45:41.240 or something like that. I think we're seeing, at least 1:45:41.280 --> 1:45:43.960 early on in spring training that it's a good thing 1:45:44.120 --> 1:45:47.719 that the Reds have now pushed Zach, Maxwell, Connor, Phelips, 1:45:47.760 --> 1:45:51.759 and Luis May some more of a battle type position 1:45:51.960 --> 1:45:54.040 rather than guaranteed spots in this bullpen. 1:45:54.280 --> 1:45:56.120 One other thing you're going to notice this year is 1:45:56.160 --> 1:46:00.160 the increase use of abs. The automatic automated ball strikes, 1:46:00.800 --> 1:46:02.400 and there was a lot, a lot of that being 1:46:02.479 --> 1:46:05.160 used in the first two games of the season, and 1:46:05.240 --> 1:46:07.040 I think that's going to be maybe we saved that 1:46:07.120 --> 1:46:09.160 for a later topic here and see how it plays 1:46:09.160 --> 1:46:10.240 out over it the next week or so. 1:46:10.439 --> 1:46:11.639 So that was rather interesting. 1:46:11.680 --> 1:46:13.720 And now the challenge is slowing the game now that 1:46:13.720 --> 1:46:16.559 we've sped up to some degree. Reds are off today 1:46:16.760 --> 1:46:19.080 and then pick it up tomorrow at three oh five 1:46:19.120 --> 1:46:21.360 against the Royals at Goodyear Ballpark. We'll have that for 1:46:21.439 --> 1:46:25.040 you over on your sister station, thirteen sixty. That's gonna 1:46:25.040 --> 1:46:27.799 be on thirteen sixty tomorrow. I believe it's Andrew Abbott tomorrow. 1:46:29.000 --> 1:46:30.040 Yeah, I think I saw that. 1:46:30.040 --> 1:46:32.200 Because we haven't seen any of the top guys, we're 1:46:32.200 --> 1:46:35.519 going to start seeing Abbot, Green, Midolo, those guys pitching 1:46:35.600 --> 1:46:37.840 over here, gotcha my next week because we got this 1:46:37.920 --> 1:46:39.000 weird off day today. 1:46:39.280 --> 1:46:41.160 Yeah, you got a Monday off day already too. Hey, 1:46:41.160 --> 1:46:43.759 that's all right, you know, let's not let's not strain 1:46:43.800 --> 1:46:44.640 ourselves too much here. 1:46:44.680 --> 1:46:47.439 Let's take it easy. To be long four weeks, come on, 1:46:47.560 --> 1:46:49.599 let's just take it easy. Take it easy. 1:46:50.600 --> 1:46:53.479 Jeff Carr over at Lockdown Reds Only Daily Red Podcast 1:46:53.520 --> 1:46:54.200 brother appreciates. 1:46:54.240 --> 1:46:55.000 We'll talk again soon. 1:46:55.080 --> 1:46:57.960 Yeah, appreciate it. 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