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Speaker 2: And so I'm sure a lot of you heard the news.

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Speaker 1: So there's a guy named Jim Troopis. He was Trump's

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Speaker 1: This is a respected man lawyer for you know, just decades,

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Speaker 2: Imagine what they're going through.

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Speaker 1: First of all, the evidence shows that the Wisconsin alternate

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Speaker 2: There's a reason for that. The reason for that is

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Speaker 1: They were simply trying to preserve Trump's right to be

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Speaker 1: They told the public about this at the time. I

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Speaker 1: It was on the State GOP website, and what the

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Speaker 2: Well why why.

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Speaker 1: Because Josh calls own prosecutor. Yeah, that's a mic drop.

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Speaker 2: Call should withdraw it, but he won't.

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Speaker 1: Maybe there'll be a new Attorney general in a couple

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Speaker 1: The media's rampant obsession with the twenty twenty election. Did

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Speaker 1: you guys see the other day? It was honestly like

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Speaker 1: two weeks ago. But I haven't been on the radio

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Speaker 1: for like a month because I fill in when people

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Speaker 1: go on.

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Speaker 2: Vacation here there. But I want to circle back on this.

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Speaker 1: It kind of ties in there was what I would

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Speaker 1: call the dumbest story perhaps ever in the history of the.

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Speaker 2: Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know that might be a hyperbolic statement

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Speaker 1: because they've done so many stupid stories, Like where do

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Speaker 1: you begin?

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Speaker 2: The list is very long, but there was quite a whopper.

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Speaker 2: It was written by.

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Speaker 1: Mary Spacuza, Dan Biss of course, Dan quote unquote, I'm

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Speaker 1: a gossip columnist Bis and Molly Beck. Anyway, not surprised

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Speaker 1: by two of those bylines anyway, Bison Beck. They did

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Speaker 1: a story trashing Tom Tiffany, Congressman Tiffany running for Governor's

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Speaker 1: Republican and Maria Lazarre, who is this extremely feisty, wonderful

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Speaker 1: woman who is a judge of Markisha County who's running

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Speaker 1: for state Supreme Court. She's the conservative candidate. That woman's

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Speaker 1: a warrior. Let me tell you, I've heard her speak

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Speaker 1: several times. She's a fighter. So anyway, hatchet job hit

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Speaker 1: piece on Tiffany and Lazaar for drum roll, like I

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Speaker 1: need a drum drum set, drum roll please for guess

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Speaker 1: what their sin was their big scandalous offense.

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Speaker 2: I just generated a war sized headline.

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Speaker 1: They attended the Republican Party of Brown Counties Lincoln Reagan

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Speaker 1: Trump dinner.

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Speaker 2: I'm actually not making this up. This was a scandal.

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Speaker 1: Tom Tiffany and Maria lazar Like, you know, stop the

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Speaker 1: presses attended the Lincoln Day dinner. Well because Michael Flynn

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Speaker 1: was there, Okay, he was speaking, which they had nothing

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Speaker 1: to do with, like, oh, you know everyone knows this right,

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Speaker 1: like the candidate. They just go on the Lincoln Day

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Speaker 1: circuit or the Lincoln Reagan Trump Day circuit what you

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Speaker 1: would call it. Okay, and they hit the big counties especially,

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Speaker 1: but you know, I spoke at Kenosha the other day

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Speaker 1: and Ryne's previous. I did a fireside chat with Ryne's previous.

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Speaker 1: I got to sit up there on the you know,

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Speaker 1: a stage and have a chat with Ryne's previous. And

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Speaker 1: you know what, Maria Lazarre and Tiffany were there too,

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Speaker 1: you know, big scandal. Journal Sentinel like, are you gonna

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Speaker 1: do a big expose about that? You know, should I

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Speaker 1: call up Dan Bice, Hey, Dan, I saw Tom, Tiffany

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Speaker 1: and Maria lazar they were at Kenosha Counties.

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Speaker 2: Gup event, you know, stop the presses.

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Speaker 1: Well, the Journal Sentinel thinks it's scandalous they went to

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Speaker 1: Brown Counties because Michael Flynn, according to the Marcky Journal Sentinel,

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Speaker 1: is quote a prominent twenty twenty election denier. That's what

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Speaker 1: the story says, and the headline said they were facing

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Speaker 1: criticism after attending events with a twenty twenty election denier.

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Speaker 1: That's how they boiled Michael Flynn, Lieutenant General in the military,

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Speaker 1: national Security advisor. And he's boiled down to like a

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Speaker 1: prominent twenty twenty election denier. And because Tom Tiffany and

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Speaker 1: realizarre go there to like shake people's hands and have

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Speaker 1: you know, a rubber chicken dinner like this generates a

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Speaker 1: scandal in the Milwaukee Jurnal Sentinel.

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Speaker 2: Well, I will be expecting, you know, consistency.

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Speaker 1: So anytime a Democrat for governor is in the same

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Speaker 1: room with anyone who's ever questioned you know, Donald Trumps

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen victory or you know, I think the more

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Speaker 1: that was happening then like Hillary, let's say Hillary Clinton.

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Speaker 2: If they are ever in the same room with Hillary Clinton, I.

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Speaker 1: Expect a war size headline in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

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Speaker 1: saying Sarah Rodriguez or whomever was posing with a two

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Speaker 1: thy sixteen.

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Speaker 2: Election denier.

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Speaker 1: Because she literally was accused of manipulating that election with

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Speaker 1: that dossier against Trump, the nonsense, false, unproven BS dossier

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Speaker 1: that her legal firm or law firm or whatever for

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Speaker 1: her campaign was helping push. So dumbest story in the

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Speaker 1: history of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. Stay tuned down appears

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Speaker 1: to be no more. I can boil down what happened

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Speaker 1: pretty concisely here. The Democrats played a game of chicken

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Speaker 1: with Donald Trump and they lost. Who thought that was

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Speaker 1: a good idea to play a game of chicken with

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump? Because he's the last person I would play

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Speaker 1: a game of chicken with, because he's always going to

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Speaker 1: blink last. I think Trump's great genius. One of his

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Speaker 1: strongest leadership traits is his willingness to endure short term

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Speaker 1: pain for the good of the country and for long

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Speaker 1: term policy gains. In know frankly, he knows people are

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Speaker 1: gonna forget about it in a year, Like they're gonna

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Speaker 1: forget about it by the time of the midterms. No

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Speaker 1: one's gonna be talking about the government shutdown anymore. So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he took a little bit of a pr dent, right.

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Speaker 1: There were so many stories about people being angry at airports,

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Speaker 1: all of the food share snapstuff. Trump is starving kids,

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Speaker 1: he wants kids to starve, at old ladies to die,

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Speaker 1: and all of the stuff. They always say, a short

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Speaker 1: term pr dent, But everyone's gonna forget about it by

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Speaker 1: the time of the midterms, like Trump, Trump knows this,

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Speaker 1: and now look how it turns on a dime right

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Speaker 1: on Saturday. The Democrats and evers, they thought they had him,

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Speaker 1: They thought we've got him, We're winning this narrative, and

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Speaker 1: now boom, he flips it and he looks like the

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Speaker 1: strong one and they look weak every single time. Do

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Speaker 1: they not understand yet who they're dealing with? Do they

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Speaker 1: not understand it? Okay, we all, I mean, this is

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Speaker 1: his leadership style, so you know, before Trump and we

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Speaker 1: all know this, but I think everyone else was so

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Speaker 1: historically frightened by the Democratic tactics, you know, the short

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Speaker 1: term pain that they would rot on people.

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Speaker 2: Nobody wanted to be called a racist. No one wanted

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Speaker 2: to be canceled.

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Speaker 1: No one wanted to be accused of starving children or

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Speaker 1: killing little old ladies and throwing them off cliffs. No

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Speaker 1: one wanted to be against the euphemisms that Democrats used

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Speaker 1: women's healthcare and gender affirming care. You know, they they

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Speaker 1: one through euphemistic language, right and then they policed it

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Speaker 1: in the media, They policed it on social media, They

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Speaker 1: policed euphemistic language, deceptive language in the public square. And

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Speaker 1: that is a key way that democrats clung to power

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Speaker 1: and achieve power for so long. And that's again what

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Speaker 1: I said in the beginning of this hour why what

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Speaker 1: Elon Musk has done on X is so extraordinarily important

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Speaker 1: because we're seizing language back, okay, And I think whomever

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Speaker 1: controls language controls culture, and whoever controls culture controls politics.

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Speaker 1: And I think you're increasingly seeing because we're controlling language,

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Speaker 1: that we're starting to control culture. And you know, I

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Speaker 1: forgot to mention I was talking at the beginning of

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Speaker 1: the hour about you know what topics to people on

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Speaker 1: my Facebook page want me to talk about today, I

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Speaker 1: forgot to mention, like a third of you wanted me

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Speaker 1: to talk about Sidney Sweeney.

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Speaker 2: Okay, by the way that we were all men, every

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Speaker 2: single one whyt me to talk about Sidney was a man.

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Speaker 1: Actually, I'm going to say here icon Sidney Sweeney has

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Speaker 1: now moved into icon status, and not for the reasons

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Speaker 1: you might think. If you don't know what I'm talking about,

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Speaker 1: I've got some great audio on that I will play

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Speaker 1: it in the second hour of the show. But she's

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Speaker 1: a really good example. What she did in the last

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Speaker 1: couple of days she'll talk about again. The five o'clock

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Speaker 1: hour is an example of how culture is shifting. Culture

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Speaker 1: is shifting toward conservatives, and it's for the reasons.

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Speaker 2: I just signed.

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Speaker 1: And Donald Trump just has so much to do with

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Speaker 1: that because he just doesn't back down, He doesn't sort

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Speaker 1: of crumble under the typical democratic tactics that I just described,

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Speaker 1: and they just don't know what to.

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Speaker 5: Do with that.

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Speaker 2: They don't know what to do with him.

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Speaker 1: So it was a gross miscalculation that they ever thought

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Speaker 1: that that they could get him to blink by closing

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Speaker 1: the government. And so I was reading some of the

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Speaker 1: articles about them caving, and the CNN actually said it

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Speaker 1: that way, that enough Democrats caved pay being the way

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Speaker 1: for the shutdown to end. I'm like, wow, they just

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Speaker 1: came out and said it, enough Democrats have caved. And

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Speaker 1: then a Senator a Genie Shaheen from New Hampshire, she's

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Speaker 1: Democrat retiring, but she's part of the centrist block that

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Speaker 1: reached this compromise to try to end the shutdown. She

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Speaker 1: said in an article again on CNN that Republicans made

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Speaker 1: it clear repeatedly over recent months that this is the quote,

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Speaker 1: this was the only deal on the table. She said

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Speaker 1: waiting another week or another month would not deliver a

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Speaker 1: better outcome. I mean, it kind of says it all

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Speaker 1: right in In other words.

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Speaker 2: Democrats blanked Democrats blank.

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Speaker 1: By the way, John Fetterman has officially become my favorite

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Speaker 1: US senator. He's I mean, maybe not exactly one of them,

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Speaker 1: I mean Ron Johnson, but my favorite Democratic US senator

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Speaker 1: for sure.

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Speaker 2: I mean, what got into this guy.

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Speaker 1: It's like he had a stroke and suddenly he's like

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Speaker 1: the voice of reason among Democrats in the country, maybe

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Speaker 1: among every you know, among everyone. And so he actually

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Speaker 1: came out and he issued an apology for the Democrats'

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Speaker 1: behavior when it came to the government shutdown. I think

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Speaker 1: Fetterman's just hysterical, Like everything that comes out of the

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Speaker 1: guy's mouth is hysterical because he's always calling out like

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Speaker 1: his own side with just this sort of blue collar

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Speaker 1: common sense.

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Speaker 2: And he said that, you know, it was.

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Speaker 1: Terrible that Democrats had the inability to end the government shutdown,

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Speaker 1: that they weren't ending it. He said that on Thursday,

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Speaker 1: and he said, quote, I'm apologizing that we can't even

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Speaker 1: get our bleep. I can't say it on the air

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Speaker 1: bleep together and just open the government. Absolutely beautiful love Fetterman.

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Speaker 1: All right, in the next hour of the show and

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Speaker 1: we come back, I want to talk to you about

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Speaker 1: the manipulative behavior. I mentioned that before of Tony Evers

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Speaker 1: when it came to the shutdown, he did a lot

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Speaker 1: of nonsense over the weekend. I want to kind of

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Speaker 1: sketch shut out for you, and I'm going to give

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Speaker 1: you my fresh angle that I promised on the shutdown,

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Speaker 1: and it came from jim Pivovarchik, who is my co

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Speaker 1: editor at Wisconsin right Now.

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Speaker 2: And the thing about Jimmy, he's now a.

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Speaker 1: Legislator, is he's got this interesting brain where he sees

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Speaker 1: things that a lot of other people miss, which is

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Speaker 1: why I liked working with him at Wisconsin right Now,

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Speaker 1: because he would always point out some nuance that I

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Speaker 1: had overlooked or that frankly everyone had sort of overlooked.

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Speaker 1: And he called me on the phone and he said,

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Speaker 1: you know, I know you're going in the air, and

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Speaker 1: I have this like angle on the shutdown and the

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Speaker 1: food share thing, and he said, I this is the

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Speaker 1: thing I kind of want to to float by you.

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Speaker 2: What do you think of this?

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Speaker 1: And I was like, Yeah, that's actually really kind of shocking,

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Speaker 1: and I didn't really fixate on that, but I said,

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Speaker 1: you're right, Jim. So when we come back in the

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Speaker 1: four o'clock hour, I'll tell you what his little finding

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Speaker 1: was and we'll talk about it. So stay tuned, everybody

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Speaker 1: O'donnald's show. This is Jessica McBride of Wisconsin Right noow

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Speaker 1: dot com filling in for Dan. You are listening to

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Speaker 1: an Irish folk song that is based on the melody

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Speaker 1: from the Great Gordon Lightfoot tune Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald.

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Speaker 1: Of course, it is the fiftieth anniversary of the wreck

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Speaker 1: of the Edmund Fitzgerald today. So Jim Pivovarchek, my co

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Speaker 1: founder at Wisconsin RightNow dot com now State Representative Jim Pivovarchek,

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Speaker 1: Republican from Hubertus. He always sees things that I miss.

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Speaker 1: It's one reason I wanted to do Wisconsin Right Now

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Speaker 1: with him. Also, his law enforcement background is just useful

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Speaker 1: to have somebody with, you know, experience with use of force,

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Speaker 1: experience with forensics and all of that scene investigation. As

652
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Speaker 1: a journalist like you don't see that very much. And

653
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Speaker 1: he's going to see things that a journalist without that

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Speaker 1: background will miss.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, he called me.

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Speaker 1: The other day, so I was preparing for this show

658
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Speaker 1: and he said, you know, I noticed something interesting in

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Speaker 1: this whole snap food Shares shutdown drama. He said, why

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Speaker 1: are so many people on food Share? I said, you

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Speaker 1: know what, You're right, Like, I wasn't keying into that

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Speaker 1: at first. Yeah, I was going down the path everybody

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Speaker 1: was going down, which is you know, the nonsense the

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Speaker 1: Democrats were pulling, And frankly, what they were doing was

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Speaker 1: they were holding impoverished people hostage, you know, with this

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Speaker 1: game of Chicken that they were very foolishly playing with

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump because, as I said at the end of

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Speaker 1: the last hour, in case you're just joining us, like

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump is.

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Speaker 2: The last person on the globe that I would.

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Speaker 1: Play a game of Chicken with. I mean, the man

672
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Speaker 1: has ice water in his veins. So anyway, I looked

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Speaker 1: up the numbers that Jim was talking about. Actually, che's

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Speaker 1: my producer, Jeff this, Jeff, what percentage of Wisconsinites do

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Speaker 1: you think are on food Share? Oh, you're really close.

676
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Speaker 1: I found the number just surprising. So he said fifteen percent.

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Speaker 1: He's close. Seven hundred thousand Wisconsinites are on food share.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's where they put money on their debit

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Speaker 1: card or whatever and they can go buy food. And

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Speaker 1: this has been a skirmish, you know, between Evers and

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Speaker 1: the legislature and the Democrats and the Republicans for a

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Speaker 1: number of years. So Republicans are always trying to put

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Speaker 1: regulations on this, you know, like let's put a work

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Speaker 1: component on this. You know, if you're getting these debit cards,

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Speaker 1: maybe you should have to try to find a job.

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Speaker 1: And so they got that put on there, and then

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Speaker 1: most recently back in the spring, they were pushing, well,

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Speaker 1: maybe we shouldn't be paying for people soda, you know,

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Speaker 1: and potato chips and Snickers bars and things like that,

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Speaker 1: Like shouldn't we be advocating healthy eating? Like why are

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Speaker 1: we the taxpayers paying for people to be unhealthy? Which

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Speaker 1: is really what was happening. And I observed one of

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Speaker 1: these legislative hearings on that where Democrats were all lined up,

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Speaker 1: you know, vociferously arguing that, oh, it's just so heartless

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Speaker 1: and cruel that Republicans would try to strip potato chips

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Speaker 1: and you know, pepsi cans from.

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Speaker 2: Poor people so I mean, this is not a new thing.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I looked up the numbers going back to

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Speaker 1: twenty and eleven and they were pretty much the same

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Speaker 1: in the ballpark, maybe even a little bit more.

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Speaker 2: So if you do the math, because there's about five point.

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Speaker 1: Nine million people in Wisconsin, that means that almost twelve

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Speaker 1: percent of people in Wisconsin need the government to pay

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Speaker 1: for their food. I don't know about you, but there

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Speaker 1: is just something really off about that, especially because there

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Speaker 1: is a work requirement. Like I went and I pulled

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Speaker 1: up the application, I was trying to remind myself, like,

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Speaker 1: was there is there the work requirement? Is there a

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Speaker 1: citizenship required? There's a citizenship requirement? Like you could lie,

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Speaker 1: I suppose, right, sure are they vet it? Not sure

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Speaker 1: if they're checking it.

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Speaker 2: But there is a city. You have to be a citizen.

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Speaker 2: You have to, you know, at least.

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Speaker 1: Show you're trying to work. You can't be turning down

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Speaker 1: good jobs and get food share. And we all know

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Speaker 1: there's a labor shortage. So I'm just trying to make

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Speaker 1: this this math work in my head. Where seven hundred thousand,

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Speaker 1: I know a bunch of them are children. Their households,

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Speaker 1: you know, made up of households smaller number of households.

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Speaker 1: I should say, how is it that that many Wisconsinites

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Speaker 1: are that desperate that they need the government you and

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Speaker 1: I to pay for their hamburgers, or their popcorn or

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Speaker 1: what their food. Now, the numbers nationally are equally staggering.

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Speaker 1: One in eight Americans is on the SNAP program. It's

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Speaker 1: called SNAP nationally and in the state it's called food Chair.

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Speaker 1: Forty two million Americans. So you don't need Mom Dommy

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Speaker 1: in New York to open his stupid free grocery stores

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Speaker 1: which will immediately have like nothing on the shelf. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know what, I actually am old enough

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Speaker 1: to remember communism, and I think that's part of the problem.

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Speaker 1: You know how it's not cool to be a socialist,

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Speaker 1: cool to be a communist if you're like twenty years old.

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Speaker 1: People think that I had to start with Bernie Sanders.

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Speaker 1: It's when I kind of noticed it was getting normalized,

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Speaker 1: like it was trendy, it was cool to be a socialist. Well,

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Speaker 1: these young people don't remember what communism was like. And

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Speaker 1: I'm actually old enough. I went to East Berlin when

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Speaker 1: it was communists. I was fairly young, but like old

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Speaker 1: enough to remember it. I want to date myself, are

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Speaker 1: give away my age, But you know, I remember I

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Speaker 1: cross Checkpoint Charlie and went into East Berlin before the

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Speaker 1: Berlin Wall came down. And what I remember is in

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Speaker 1: West Berlin it was like Times Square, like you're in

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Speaker 1: a video game, neon lights, commerce business bustling. You crossed

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Speaker 1: into East Berlin. The store shelves were empty, the streets

746
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Speaker 1: were vacant. It was gray, it was dreary, the little

747
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Speaker 1: white cars zipping around, you know, and the people.

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Speaker 2: Were terrified to talk to us.

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Speaker 1: They were worried about the Stasse or whatever, you know,

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Speaker 1: they were worried about the East German secret Police.

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Speaker 2: They actually were.

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Speaker 1: And I remember we were trying to talk to you,

753
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Speaker 1: so oh, we can't wait, like we can't talk to you.

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Speaker 1: They were all scared. The Berlin Wall came down the

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Speaker 1: next year. I remember another situation where I was. It

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Speaker 1: was back in that same time frames the communism, you know,

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Speaker 1: the Iron Curve and hadn't lifted. And I was going

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Speaker 1: on a train from the then Yugoslavia to Turkey to.

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Speaker 2: Istanbul and this was in College Ozoo.

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Speaker 1: And we went through Bulgaria and this elderly couple came

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Speaker 1: on the train, and it was annoying at first. I

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Speaker 1: just remember they dragged every suitcase they owned, practically like

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Speaker 1: fifteen bags and suitcases like into our little train compartment.

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Speaker 1: And then it soon became clear they were trying to

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Speaker 1: sneak out of Bulgaria, which I believe was communists at

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Speaker 1: the time. They were trying to sneak into Turkey, and

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Speaker 1: they got kicked off. They got caught and kicked back

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Speaker 1: into Bulgaria. And I'll never forget it, but they came

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Speaker 1: all rushed over and they handed me a bag of

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Speaker 1: family photos and letters, all their family. I'm a total

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Speaker 1: stranger in a tray and they hand me all these

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Speaker 1: family pictures and these letters, and they said, there's an address,

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Speaker 1: please send this. And I think they were like practically,

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Speaker 1: you know, waving their hands to speak. I don't think

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Speaker 1: they spoke English. I'm trying to remember, and they were like,

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Speaker 1: please send this to this address in Turkey or Germany

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Speaker 1: or wherever. It was like they were trying to get

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Speaker 1: word out from this communist regime controlled country to like

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Speaker 1: their family.

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Speaker 2: I remember what communism was, and it wasn't a good thing.

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Speaker 2: And so here's mom.

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Speaker 1: DOMMI, Oh, I'm gonna make these free grocery stores. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know what, mom, Dommy, it's called a food pantry.

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Speaker 1: It's it's called a food pantry, okay, and it's not

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Speaker 1: gonna work. And the shelves won't have anything on it.

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Speaker 1: Like we've I've seen this before. We have, we have

787
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Speaker 1: lived through this playbook before. So I'd like someone to

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Speaker 1: explain to me how that many Americans, how that many

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Speaker 1: Wisconsin Knights are so destitute that they need government help

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Speaker 1: to eat. Now, I looked up some of the data

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Speaker 1: in Milwaukee County, I think fairly predictably here accounts for

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Speaker 1: about a third of this in Wisconsin, and then Dane

793
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Speaker 1: County sort of predictably because the population size, but nonetheless

794
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Speaker 1: his next pretty high looks high. And then you have

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Speaker 1: recived Kenosha not shocking geographic patterns.

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Speaker 6: There.

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Speaker 1: We are spending one hundred and four million dollars a

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Speaker 1: month on government food on food share for Wisconsin nights.

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Speaker 1: So I think Jim is right.

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Speaker 2: I think there's two things. There are two issues here.

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Speaker 1: One is the numbers are so large that I'm telling

802
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Speaker 1: you the real story may very well be fraud. And

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Speaker 1: the investigative reporters who are so invested in running around

804
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Speaker 1: and falsely accusing Donald Trump of wanting children to start

805
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Speaker 1: maybe they should try to start investigating that. Maybe I will,

806
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Speaker 1: because I'm an investigator reporter, right, Maybe I will start

807
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Speaker 1: digging into the potential for fraud in the Wisconsin food

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Speaker 1: share program. If in fact all of these seven hundred

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Speaker 1: thousand Wisconsin nights are in fact this desperate that they

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Speaker 1: need me and you to pay for their food, then

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Speaker 1: I think that's a crisis and we should be trying

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Speaker 1: to figure out what's causing that. What is that the

813
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Speaker 1: root fundamentally of that. That's what we should be talking about.

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Speaker 1: It's what we should be investigating, not these cheap political potshots. Now,

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Speaker 1: I actually know somebody who's on food share. It's a

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Speaker 1: disabled person. This person is severely disabled. I'm going to

817
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Speaker 1: be judged, you know, generic here to protect their privacy,

818
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Speaker 1: I've actually get in this person money for food to

819
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Speaker 1: help this person. The person tries to find a job,

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Speaker 1: can't quite do it. There's a lot of learning disabled issues.

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Speaker 1: The person does have some family help. And I asked

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Speaker 1: a relative, what did this person do with you know,

823
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Speaker 1: at this issue with the.

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Speaker 2: Government shut too.

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Speaker 1: She went to a food pantry and she's just fine,

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Speaker 1: you know. And so I actually do believe, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm not non empathetic. I do believe some people need

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Speaker 1: this help.

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Speaker 7: I do.

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Speaker 1: And I also believe that, you know, there's some really

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Speaker 1: good people that just end up in unfortunate circumstances and

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Speaker 1: maybe they temporarily need this help. But you can't tell

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Speaker 1: me that many people need this help. They can't go

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Speaker 1: to the Dollar Storage, you know. I mean, I don't

835
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Speaker 1: think that's good food, but you got the Dollar store

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Speaker 1: get you know, enough for ten bucks. You can't tell

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Speaker 1: me that people can't get a job to do that.

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Speaker 2: They need the government to pay for it. They need

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Speaker 2: the government to pay for it, all right.

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Speaker 1: So what Tony Evers did over the weekend on this

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Speaker 1: was very manipulative. I think it was praying on people

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Speaker 1: like the learning disabled individual. I was referencing people who

843
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Speaker 1: were really scared about losing you know, these these food

844
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Speaker 1: share funds. So Tony Evers did this big thing where

845
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Speaker 1: he rushed out and they put all the.

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Speaker 2: Money on people's cards.

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Speaker 1: You might have missed it because he did this, like

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Speaker 1: I think on Friday and Saturday, this was all going

849
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Speaker 1: down over the weekend.

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Speaker 2: Well here's what he did. This is how sort of disingenuous.

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Speaker 1: This was so a Rhode Island judge, a judge in

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Speaker 1: Rhode Island, one of these rogue judges, had basically ordered

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Speaker 1: the Trump administration to fund food Share and by the way,

854
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Speaker 1: a misnomer that the Trump administration was never wasn't going

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Speaker 1: to fund anything in Nova. Actually they were going to

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Speaker 1: fund I think it was sixty five percent all along

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Speaker 1: using like reserve funds and stuff. But this Rhode Island

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Speaker 1: judge did this decision like we have all these little

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Speaker 1: judicial kings. You guys all know that right ever since

860
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Speaker 1: Trump was re elected, we have a lot of like

861
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Speaker 1: judicial kings who are hell bent on destroying the tex

862
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Speaker 1: and balance system that the founding fathers so brilliantly wove

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Speaker 1: into the Constitution. And so we have this Rhode Island judge.

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Speaker 1: So Tony Evers seizes on that. Now, the reason it's

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Speaker 1: so manipulative is he knew or had to know that

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump was going to immediately appeal this. It was

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Speaker 1: going to go to the conservative you know, US Supreme Court,

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Speaker 1: and there was a very good chance that they would

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Speaker 1: side with Trump, Tony Evers knew this, and he rushed in,

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Speaker 1: did this anyway and put all this money on people's cards.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, if you want to weigh in

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Speaker 1: on this, you can give me a call. I do

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Speaker 1: have a caller on the line. Will take in a minute.

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Speaker 1: If Julie from Jamesville can hold on four one, four, seven, nine,

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Speaker 1: nine eleven thirty. So Tony Evers, cause I want to

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Speaker 1: finish this chronology, then I'll go to the caller.

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Speaker 2: He puts the money on the cards.

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Speaker 1: Like in this really short gap of a day in

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Speaker 1: between this Rhode Island decision and Trump's ability to get

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Speaker 1: this to the US Supreme Court, Katanji Brown Jackson of

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Speaker 1: all people, on Saturday sided unbelievably sided with Trump. But

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Speaker 1: really what she just did was stay the lower court's order,

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Speaker 1: you know, until the merits of this could be disgusted

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Speaker 1: rolled on by the federal courts. And then obviously it's

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Speaker 1: going to end up back at the US Supreme Court,

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Speaker 1: possibly even with the shutdown being over, because you know,

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Speaker 1: it's a separation of powers issue, executive power, judicial legislative authority,

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Speaker 1: and so now there's this money on these cards. But

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Speaker 1: you know what it really was, it's a line of credit.

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Speaker 1: Evers put the money on these cards through lines of credit.

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Speaker 1: Wisconsin overdrew it's letter of credit from the federal government.

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Speaker 2: By twenty million dollars.

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Speaker 1: And also because the federal government was going to use

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Speaker 1: reserve funds to pay for like sixty five percent what

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Speaker 1: Tony evers, there was only like six states that did

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Speaker 1: this Tony Evers. In the other five states, what they

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Speaker 1: did was they hurt They arguably hurt potentially hurt anyway

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Speaker 1: the states that played by the rules because they went

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Speaker 1: and said, well, we're going to do one hundred percent,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna grab all this, We're gonna put it on

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Speaker 1: a line of credit. So Evers basically there's a pot

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Speaker 1: of marbles. He tried to grab more marbles than the

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Speaker 1: rules allow and like to heck with the other states,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna grab so many marbles. Aren't going to be

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Speaker 1: enough marbles for everybody else. So then the people in

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Speaker 1: Wyoming will starve or what what what about children in

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Speaker 1: Colorado where they you know, Tony Evers, okay with them starving?

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Speaker 1: Because people have to remember that Congress has the power

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Speaker 1: of the purse. So if Congress is in funding government.

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Speaker 2: There's only so.

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Speaker 1: Much money that you know, the USDA or whatever or

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Speaker 1: the Treasury Department, he like has to fund the you know, snap.

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Speaker 1: And so they were gonna pull this from a reserve

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Speaker 1: until this all all got straightened out. So then, of course,

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Speaker 1: like I said, Katanji Brown Jackson, the State Supreme Court say, hey,

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Speaker 1: wait a minute, you know, no, you've got it. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna pause this Rhode Island order. And what

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Speaker 1: did Tony Evers do? In response?

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Speaker 2: He put out a graphic. It was one word.

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Speaker 1: He said, no, no, no, Tony Evers, no to what

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Speaker 1: to the US Supreme Court. You're not gonna listen to

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Speaker 1: the US Supreme Court. You don't care what the US

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court says. The USDA then said this all went

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Speaker 1: down like yesterday and Saturday. They put out a memo

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Speaker 1: to all these states and said, undo it, undo it.

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Speaker 1: You shouldn't have rushed and done this. You knew we

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Speaker 1: were appealing. You don't have the authority to do this,

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Speaker 1: and we warned you multiple times not to do this.

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Speaker 2: Undo it. But Tony Evers doesn't care because he's trying

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Speaker 2: to create.

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Speaker 1: A political narrative. If he really cared about starving kids

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Speaker 1: and all this. He would have been pressuring Chuck Schumer

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Speaker 1: and his Democratic buddies to end the government's shutdown so

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Speaker 1: they were doing over Obamacare extensions and all of that. Instead,

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Speaker 1: he played politics, in my opinion, with poor people like

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Speaker 1: the learning disabled young woman who I know who's like scared,

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Speaker 1: she can't eat or.

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Speaker 2: Whatever, and you know, now this money goes on her card.

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Speaker 2: But now it's been done.

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Speaker 1: All of this mess totally created by EVA for political reasons.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's go to Julie from Janesville. Julie, you

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Speaker 1: told my producer you think it's too easy to get

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Speaker 1: food share benefits.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so I my story about a year and a

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Speaker 6: half ago. My husband got diagnosed with stage for cancer

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Speaker 6: and had to quit his job and I was his

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Speaker 6: caretaker and I had to take a leave of absence.

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Speaker 6: And when right when we found out, like everyone was

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Speaker 6: like apply, apply, apply, So we did immediately for anything

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Speaker 6: we could come up with Social Security whatever, and we

951
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Speaker 6: were denied with everything because we made too much money. Fine,

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Speaker 6: fast forward five months and everyone's like, apply again. It's

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Speaker 6: been a while, So we applied again, and while at

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Speaker 6: that point our long term care insurance had kicked in.

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Speaker 3: I was able.

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Speaker 6: It didn't cover everything, but we were like striving in

957
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Speaker 6: the midst of this whole thing, and someone said apply

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Speaker 6: again for food Share and bad Cool. So I because

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Speaker 6: I was in the process of possibly losing my insurance

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Speaker 6: in my.

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Speaker 3: Job because I had to take care of him, so

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Speaker 3: we applied. He died a month later, and I got

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Speaker 3: the letter in the mail the week after he died that.

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Speaker 6: I was approved for food Share and for Badger Care.

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Speaker 1: Well, I am sorry about it now, Yeah, I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: really sorry what happened, you know in your family. That's

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Speaker 1: I do think your your story here illustrates a couple

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Speaker 1: of things. Like one is that there are circumstances maybe

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Speaker 1: I think it should be temporary where some people need this, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I have empathy for that, I really do. And

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Speaker 1: like I said, I know someone who I think sort

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Speaker 1: of long term needs it. I think the second thing

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Speaker 1: that yeah, like that you're anecdote underscores is that Jim

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Speaker 1: Pivovarchik's right, Like, I think the real issue we should

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Speaker 1: be sort of investigating here is why are so many

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Speaker 1: people on this? And so you make a good point,

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Speaker 1: are so many people on this because it's too easy

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Speaker 1: to get.

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Speaker 6: I called so I got the letter and I got

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Speaker 6: all this stuff, and so many people were like, just

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Speaker 6: stay on it. You'll be back to work because I'm

982
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Speaker 6: a teacher. You'll be back to work in the fall.

983
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Speaker 6: Just stay on it. And I'm like, I can't, Like

984
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Speaker 6: I literally cannot do it in my soul. It's not right.

985
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Speaker 6: There are other people who need it. And I called

986
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Speaker 6: up and I said, hey, you can remove me from

987
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Speaker 6: these things.

988
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Speaker 7: I don't need it.

989
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Speaker 6: And then like, but you qualified, you're right. I did. Wow,

990
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Speaker 6: I don't need it. I never actually applied. You guys

991
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Speaker 6: just said, well, since we're doing your husband, we'll have

992
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Speaker 6: you signed up to It's just a formality. I never

993
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Speaker 6: actually applied for it, but they were like, sure.

994
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Speaker 7: Do it.

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Speaker 2: That's crazy. I mean, that's crazy.

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Speaker 6: I'm trying to get off of it. Was difficult.

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Speaker 1: Wow, trying to does now that and I have to

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Speaker 1: go to break so I have to let Julie go.

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Speaker 1: But that actually says it what she just said there

1000
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Speaker 1: in the end, getting off of it was difficult.

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Speaker 2: Getting off of it was difficult. Stay tuned, we'll be

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Speaker 2: right back.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Dan O'donnald Show, Jessica McBride, I

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Speaker 1: contest for this hour. All right, while we're on the

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Speaker 1: topic of free government stuff and mom Donnie and socialism

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Speaker 1: and communists and all of that, I was reading some

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Speaker 1: fairly hysterical stuff about what's going on in New York.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to tell you about it because maybe

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Speaker 2: don't know all these details. I didn't and I was laughing.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So first all, I'm kind of horrified that New

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Speaker 1: York elected this guy. You know's communist, alleged socialist, whatever

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Speaker 1: you want to label them.

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Speaker 2: But it's kind of funny.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not funny for New York, but I

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Speaker 1: mean watching this is to be kind of entertaining. I mean,

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Speaker 1: first of all, did you hear he was charging thirteen

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Speaker 1: dollars for a beer at his victory party? I should

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Speaker 1: get a laugh track, just like laugh sound laugh sound effect.

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Speaker 1: And there was a quote from a progressive who was

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Speaker 1: a campaign worker who was at this party and said,

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Speaker 1: I thought everything would be free, and then I was

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Speaker 1: charged thirteen dollars for a bud light.

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Speaker 2: I told you guys, this is gonna be great. Oh

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Speaker 2: my goodness. Person said I was shocked.

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Speaker 3: I'm not.

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Speaker 2: And then there's Kathy Hochel. I think I'm saying her

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Speaker 2: name right.

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Speaker 1: It's one of those things you read a lot, and

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Speaker 1: I have to say the New York governor Democrat.

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Speaker 2: She's a Democrat. She endorsed. Mom. Donnie, see what, Kathy,

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Speaker 2: You're gonna have.

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Speaker 1: To own him.

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Speaker 6: It's on you.

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Speaker 1: But the hysterical thing I was reading is that in

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Speaker 1: New York, like he doesn't have the power to pay

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Speaker 1: for all this stuff. He needs the governor and the

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Speaker 1: state legislature to do that. So he's running around, Oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm free buses for everyone. Literally, he's saying that free

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Speaker 1: childcare for everybody, is calling it universal childcare. And we

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Speaker 1: talked about it, free food for all, free grocery stores,

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Speaker 1: free buses, free everything, free everything.

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Speaker 2: People fall for this.

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Speaker 1: He's kind of charismatic, he's younger. It's like that sounds good.

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Speaker 1: I want free stuff too. All right, but at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, the adults in the room and

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Speaker 1: someone's got to pay for that, which brings me back.

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Speaker 2: To Kathy Hoachel. Okay, she's got to pay for it,

1053
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Speaker 2: and she's in a.

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Speaker 1: Reelection, a tough reelection coming up here, or she might

1055
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Speaker 1: be fending off a lease Stefanic who's a Republican, so

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Speaker 1: she doesn't want to raise taxes. And guess what it

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Speaker 1: turns out, in order to pay for all this stuff,

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Speaker 1: you've got to raise taxes on everybody by a lot.

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Speaker 1: So six hundred and fifty two million dollars a year

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Speaker 1: for his free buss plan is what they would need.

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Speaker 8: Okay.

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Speaker 1: And oh, guess what for that universal childcare thing? Twelve

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Speaker 1: to twenty billion dollars? All right, And guess what New

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Speaker 1: York I'm saying, guess what too much? I'm gonna get

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Speaker 1: a text from Jim people of Archers just stop saying,

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Speaker 1: guess what's times in a row sporing?

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Speaker 2: No, I'm just kidding.

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Speaker 1: New York State is projected to have eleven billion dollar

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Speaker 1: deficit next year already, so there is no chance that

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Speaker 1: they're gonna come up with the money for any of

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Speaker 1: this stuff now. Of course, Mom domm, He's like, well,

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Speaker 1: raise taxes on rich people.

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Speaker 2: Of course, he.

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Speaker 1: Means entrepreneurs and small business owners, and like all the

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Speaker 1: people that have made New York a great city and

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Speaker 1: economic center. Those people who are just gonna leave, they

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Speaker 1: must just be fleeing to Nantucket right now or wherever

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Speaker 1: right like Martha's vineyard, wherever the rich people DeCamp to

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Speaker 1: from New York. I think a lot of them left

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Speaker 1: in COVID never came back anyway. So so he's like,

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Speaker 1: raise taxes, but guess what, he doesn't have the power

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Speaker 1: to do it, Which goes back again to Kathy Ochell.

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Speaker 1: So let's listen to some audio of her talking about that.

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Speaker 1: Remember she's a democrat.

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Speaker 9: His agenda is incredibly ambitious. It is, as he has

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Speaker 9: described it, a democratic socialist agenda. Free childcare, free buses,

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Speaker 9: rent freeze. The list goes on. I talked to him

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Speaker 9: on Monday night. He said to me he hasn't waivered

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Speaker 9: one millimeter on raising taxes on New York City's wealthiest

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Speaker 9: residents to pay for some of that. Now, Governor, you

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Speaker 9: have said repeatedly that you would not raise taxes. You said, quote,

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Speaker 9: I've said, there's no new income taxes. Do you stand

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Speaker 9: by that promise?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 8: Again, what I find so fascinating is all this conversation

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Speaker 8: about how I'm continuing to leave New York State. I'm

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Speaker 8: the one putting money back in people's pockets and cutting

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Speaker 8: middle class taxes as I've done, and finding ways is

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Speaker 8: a poor childcare. These are areas where I'm aligned with

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Speaker 8: Zori Mundani and we'll work on this and build more

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Speaker 8: housing so people can have a roof over their heads

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Speaker 8: in New York City.

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Speaker 1: She's aligned, meaning yeah, I'm just going to adopt the rhetoric,

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Speaker 1: but she's never going to implement it in They're never

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01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 1: going to implement any of this stuff. So it's just

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01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 1: complete nonsense. And it's going to be beautiful to watch

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Speaker 1: all of this because you know when this happened and

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Speaker 1: what happened in Virginia, New Jersey, and then I was

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Speaker 1: reading all the liberal narratives. We're trying to say it

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Speaker 1: was a referendum on Trump, it's a Canarian the mine

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01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:22,760
Speaker 1: for the mid terms. I was like, no, no, let's

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Speaker 1: talk about New York for a second. The election, am Mom.

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Speaker 1: Dami like, it's a liberal city and a liberal states,

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Speaker 1: not a referendum on Trump that they elected a socialist

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01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:37,120
Speaker 1: communist guys mayor. It's a referendum on the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 1: Like it's sort of a symbol of like how far

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Speaker 1: left the Democratic Party is really gone, and this sort

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Speaker 1: of war within the typically historically it kind of unified

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01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 1: Democratic Party. It's fracturing. They get fractured over a gaza

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Speaker 1: while back. I think you see it going on in

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Speaker 1: the Democratic primary for governor here where you've got like

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Speaker 1: the Francesca Hong candidate who's like trying to be the

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Speaker 1: mom dommy, and you've got you know, the.

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Speaker 2: More centrist people. I'm sort of centrists.

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Speaker 1: I think they're all kind of far left, but you know,

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Speaker 1: Francesca Hong is like off the cliff, you know. And

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Speaker 1: you see this sort of these factions developing within the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party. And that's what's going on in New York.

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Speaker 1: So I have one more clip from Hochel. I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to play all of it, but I just want

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Speaker 1: you to get a sense of the word salads from her,

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Speaker 1: where she's trying to navigate this like fairly difficult terrain,

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Speaker 1: you know, a from Buffalo.

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Speaker 10: We don't put up the line of crap, So I

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01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 10: just want to set the stage that you know, you

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Speaker 10: look at the history of people who've run multi billion

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Speaker 10: dollar ad campaigns to try and get me to change

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Speaker 10: my position.

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Speaker 11: I don't change my position. So I just want to

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01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 11: put it out there. I respect people's opinions, I respect

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01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 11: proper place to convey them, and so I've said that,

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Speaker 11: you hear you.

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Speaker 2: It's important, but.

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Speaker 10: Also there is a time to place, and so that's

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Speaker 10: all on it.

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Speaker 11: No, I've had conversations on this trip, but many conversations

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Speaker 11: I'd say over the summer.

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Speaker 2: All right, we can't.

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Speaker 1: We can end it that audio clip because it's empty babble.

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to give you.

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Speaker 2: A sense of it, Like she just doesn't know what

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01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 2: to do with this. She endorsed the guy.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's riding this wave of popularity with young

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01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:25,520
Speaker 1: people or whatever, and she knows it's completely ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: It's absolutely not going to happen. None of this is

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Speaker 2: going to happen.

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Speaker 1: Then she's trying to say, well, I'm for the universal

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Speaker 1: childcare thing, but then I read her latest interview. She said, well,

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01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 1: we'll phase it in with certain age groups and geographic

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Speaker 1: underserved communities, and no, you're not going to do it,

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Speaker 1: you know, so Zora and Mindami I would call this

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01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 1: the Oprah style of politics. Free cars for everybody, right,

1163
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 1: it's unrealistic. It's not going to happen, and it'll be

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Speaker 1: interesting to watch, Like his supporters realize that the bloom's

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01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 1: gonna go off the roads, so to speak, because it's

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01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 1: really easy to campaign and it's like really difficult actually

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Speaker 1: to lead, and so like he's got the keys to

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Speaker 1: the castle now. The only problem with us, I was thinking,

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Speaker 1: is he's not really going to have to suffer the

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Speaker 1: consequences of his horrific policies either though, because because it

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Speaker 1: won't happen. And it reminds me of Tony Evers, where

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Speaker 1: like he's benefited from having a Republican legislature because they've

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Speaker 1: stopped his craziest stuff. So he gets to do this

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Speaker 1: posturing like he did on food Shares, No, no, all

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Speaker 1: this nonsense he was putting up on social media, and

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Speaker 1: he gets to swear a lot like Tony Evers always does,

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Speaker 1: and he never has to bear the consequences of any

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Speaker 1: of his ridiculous proposals or statements because Robin Voss and

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Speaker 1: his band of married men and women.

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Speaker 2: In the legislature. They block it all.

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Speaker 1: They've saved him. They've saved Wisconsin from being Minnesota, but

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Speaker 1: they've saved him from being sort of tim Walls where

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Speaker 1: we actually get to see what he would do. Now,

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01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:03,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say one final caveat and I have to

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Speaker 1: go to another break, which is I did this interview

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Speaker 1: with Ryn's previous. You know, he's the former chief of

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Speaker 1: staff to Trump, former rn C chair, former state Wisconsin

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Speaker 1: GOP chair, And it was in Kenosha. They asked me

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Speaker 1: to moderate a fireside chat with Rance. It was really

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Speaker 1: really interesting. I actually first met him like twenty years ago.

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Speaker 1: We were at some of the events for conservatives in

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Speaker 1: the area and we were both pushing baby strollers because

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Speaker 1: like our kids are the same exact age. I just

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Speaker 1: remember Rince with a baby stroller and I was like

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Speaker 1: next to with the baby stroller and his wife had,

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Speaker 1: you know, pushed the baby.

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Speaker 2: We were talking about.

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Speaker 1: Now they're in college. Now they're twenty and they're in

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Speaker 1: they're scary. I've known Ryn's previous that long. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: he said something in this talk I thought was was interesting.

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01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:51,640
Speaker 1: He said, it's a Democrat populace that scare him the

1202
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:56,479
Speaker 1: most electorally, the mom Donnie's, the Bernies, the aocs, now,

1203
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:57,599
Speaker 1: we all joke about them.

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01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 2: I just sort of ridicule Mom dom me. But Ryan's

1205
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:02,719
Speaker 2: point was, like, take.

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Speaker 1: That seriously, because conservatives cannot afford to allow Democrats and

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01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:14,040
Speaker 1: these Democrat populists to assume the mantle of what's called

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01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:17,720
Speaker 1: the affordability agenda. Right, they're trying to say that we

1209
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:21,719
Speaker 1: have an affordability agenda. And Ryan said, that's really dangerous

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Speaker 1: to conservatives if they get if they seize that narrative,

1211
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:28,800
Speaker 1: because we have to remember that Donald Trump won on

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01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:32,599
Speaker 1: that right. It's his forgotten man, it's his forgotten man.

1213
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:36,439
Speaker 1: And Trump spoke to people that just enfranchise the people

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01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:39,840
Speaker 1: that are legitimately struggling to put food on the table,

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Speaker 1: and it was, you know, the election revolved around the economy,

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01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 1: in my opinion, and the price of eggs. We all

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01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 1: know this, and so I think we can all laugh

1218
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 1: at Mom Dommie and I am, and I do, but

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01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 1: we should consider and contemplate what Ryan's prebus said. And

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Speaker 1: I think with that, what I take for that is,

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Speaker 1: you know, the candidates out there, for example, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: have one in a few minutes for lieutenant governors. Really interesting,

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01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 1: the Tom Tiffany's Josh Showman's of the world running for governor.

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01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:12,719
Speaker 1: Don't forget the economy because because back when Tim Michael's lost,

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01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:16,680
Speaker 1: like he never had a coherent economic message. And so

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Speaker 1: do not let the Francesca Honks of the world or

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Speaker 1: the Sarah Rodriguez is or whomever you know speak about

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Speaker 1: affordability where and Republicans are kind of silent on it

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Speaker 1: or they're off talking about other stuff. I think that's

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Speaker 1: really important, all right, stay tuned. This was the story

1231
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Speaker 1: obviously you know about this where a person plays pipe

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Speaker 1: bombs outside the DNC and RNC offices in the hours

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01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:47,639
Speaker 1: before Jeremary sixth, twenty twenty one. It's actually the night before.

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Speaker 1: It's very suspicious, very odd, and people believe it's an

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Speaker 1: attempt to divert law enforcement. Obviously, some people believe it's

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01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:57,639
Speaker 1: a false flag and things like that. Right, they're wondering

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01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:00,160
Speaker 1: what's going on with this and why is it that

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01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:03,599
Speaker 1: this person has never been apprehended. I kind of put

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01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:06,200
Speaker 1: it in the category of the cocaine in the White

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01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:09,639
Speaker 1: House or the Secret Service somehow not thinking to clear

1241
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 1: the roof in Butler, Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 2: Like, some of these things just don't add up.

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01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 1: How is it that they have not been able to

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01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:20,440
Speaker 1: find this person with all of the cameras and surveillance

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01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:23,479
Speaker 1: cameras and ring cameras and everything that exist in the world.

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Speaker 2: So the FBI put out a video.

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Speaker 1: They said, it's the person's five foot seven, They describe

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Speaker 1: what they're wearing. Apparently they had a Nike Airmax Speed

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01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:36,879
Speaker 1: Turf sneakers and there were fewer than twenty five thousand

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Speaker 1: of these sold in a two year period. So again

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Speaker 1: sort of boggles of mind that they haven't been able

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Speaker 1: to quote unquote find this person. So Blaze conservative outlet

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Speaker 1: came out, they said, we have identified the Jerry six

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Speaker 1: pipe bomber as a former Capitol police officer they believe

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Speaker 1: is now working for the CIA.

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Speaker 2: I'm not naming the person, and lots of you want

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Speaker 2: me to talk about it. So I did a deep

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01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:02,360
Speaker 2: dive into their story.

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Speaker 1: I teach investigative journalism, and I'm going to tell you

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Speaker 1: right now that I'm not comfortable going with this story,

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01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:11,679
Speaker 1: which is I'm going with it to not to bunk

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01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 1: it because I don't know if it's true or false,

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01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:16,920
Speaker 1: but they did improve their case to me, And I

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01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:20,080
Speaker 1: think there should be a higher standard of proof. When

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Speaker 1: people are naming people, especially well anyone but a former

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Speaker 1: law enforcement officer, and they're naming them as like a

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Speaker 1: federal criminal, I think there should be a higher standard

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Speaker 1: of proof. So the Blaze is basing this identification, alleged

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Speaker 1: identification on what's called forensic gate analysis, and this is

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Speaker 1: a comparison of how people walk. So they compare video

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Speaker 1: of this former officer with the video put out by

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Speaker 1: the FBI the pipe bomber, and said there's a ninety

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Speaker 1: four to ninety eight percent gate match. It's a software algorithm.

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Speaker 1: But and I think this is important, they did not

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Speaker 1: name the expert. It's a single expert, and then they

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Speaker 1: said something like, well, unnamed intelligence sources allegedly confirm the findings.

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Speaker 1: The FBI Capitol Police DJ declined to comment, and a

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Speaker 1: conservative special attorney for DJ said this woman was not

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Speaker 1: identified as a suspect by the DJ, So I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: I'm just not going with it, Okay, Like I have

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01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:23,120
Speaker 1: a higher standard than that. When Jim and I created

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Speaker 1: Wisconsin right now, we said we're never gonna print stuff.

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01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:27,720
Speaker 2: We can't prove. We do not print what we can't prove,

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01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 2: and I don't say what I can't prove.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to run around and share this woman's

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01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:34,719
Speaker 1: name because I'm not convinced on the analysis. It's based

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Speaker 1: on one anonymous expert who is doing Gate analysis. Okay,

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01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:43,000
Speaker 1: so I need I need more and I need someone

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Speaker 1: on the record and Gate analysis. It's it's sort of

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Speaker 1: is it pseudoscience? While it works better if there's corroborative evidence,

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Speaker 1: you know, it works better with other evidence. So I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's my take on the pipe armer, and if there's more,

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Speaker 1: I will be the first person in line to tell

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Speaker 1: you about it.

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Speaker 2: Stay tuned. I have a really interesting interview coming up

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Speaker 2: at the top of the next hour. Back to the

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Speaker 2: Dan O'donnald Show.

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Speaker 1: This is Jessica McBride, Wisconsin RightNow dot Com sitting in

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Speaker 1: for the great Dan O'donnald. So in this the last

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Speaker 1: hour of the program, I have a really interesting guest.

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Speaker 1: He's in the studio with me. His name is Will Martin,

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Speaker 1: Hi Will Good, and he is running for lieutenant governor.

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Speaker 1: But don't turn off.

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Speaker 2: The radio because I know you know when I listen

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Speaker 2: to talk radio.

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna be honest. I get sick of hearing

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Speaker 1: the same old people come on do interviews. Will is

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Speaker 1: a really interesting guy, and I want to do this

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Speaker 1: interview a little bit different, Like I don't want it.

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Speaker 2: To be a stump speech, Will, No stump speech.

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Speaker 1: No stump speech, if you're not like that. I wanted

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01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:49,080
Speaker 1: to be a conversation and I want people to really

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Speaker 1: get to know you and your experiences, your life, because

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Speaker 1: I think you're really interesting and you have a lot

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Speaker 1: to say. Now, I was telling Will during the break,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to define you by race, so I

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Speaker 1: even hesitated to even bring it up, but I think

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Speaker 1: we should have that conversation, and we were doing it

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Speaker 1: off the air, and so well, I kind of want

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Speaker 1: to go there first. Will is African American. You you

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Speaker 1: actually host a radio show in the inner city of

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Speaker 1: Milwaukee and WNOV black owned talk.

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Speaker 7: Radio, only black owned talk radio station in the state.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Okay, and you're a Republican.

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Speaker 7: Conservative on the station.

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Speaker 8: Wow.

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Speaker 1: And I see you everywhere. I've seen Will and Kenosha,

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Speaker 1: I say go to these events. I moderated this thing

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Speaker 1: I was talking about in last Hour with Rhyne's previous.

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Speaker 2: And Will was there and you always. Everyone loves you.

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Speaker 1: Everyone knows you are in the conservative base like you're

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Speaker 1: well regarded, well liked in trench. You're not someone who's

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Speaker 1: popped up like this month or something like. You've been

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Speaker 1: around for years in the in the base, in the trenches.

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Speaker 7: I had here when I first started.

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Speaker 2: Oh you did. We won't go there because you don't

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Speaker 2: have anything.

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Speaker 1: So so I think conservative minorities and conservative women having

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Speaker 1: much tougher road.

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Speaker 2: They just do.

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Speaker 1: And I don't play the gender car the race card

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Speaker 1: a lot, but I think that's a reality I want

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Speaker 1: to talk to you about. So you made an interesting

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Speaker 1: point to me off the air about Mendela Barnes right start.

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Speaker 7: You know last time when he ran for Senate. You know,

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Speaker 7: each time that people brought up issues with the policies

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Speaker 7: with his actual record, we get back in response, well,

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Speaker 7: that's just racist, right, it's the Republican Party being racist

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Speaker 7: against Mandela Barnes. No, it was about bringing up his

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Speaker 7: policy issues or real issues about him. So, you know,

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Speaker 7: one of the things that I will say is, you know,

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Speaker 7: given the fact that I'm running to be on the ticket,

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Speaker 7: oftentimes it's been the vice president in the old days

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Speaker 7: that would take on the other party and bring out

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Speaker 7: some of the contrasts, and so I'm perfectly ready to

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Speaker 7: bring out the contrast about Mendela Barnes record and frankly,

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Speaker 7: if he runs.

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Speaker 1: Right now, the Democrats are trying to knife the guy.

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Speaker 1: So I draw that contrast like you will you go

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Speaker 1: to Kenoshi, go Recio wherever, and Republicans are crawling all

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Speaker 1: over the chairs to get to you, to shake your hand,

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Speaker 1: give you hugs, like you're so welcomed in the Republican

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Speaker 1: movement and you've earned it.

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Speaker 2: You have so earned it.

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Speaker 1: We'll go through your background in a minute. But that meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: the Democrats are knifing Mendela Barnes in the New York

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Speaker 1: Times and trying to say, well, he can't win and

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Speaker 1: comparing him to Kamala Harris. It kind of seemed racist.

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Speaker 7: Well to me, I think we got the seven dwarfs

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Speaker 7: on the other side right now. And the fact that

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Speaker 7: you know, Mamdanni actually almost ended up becoming a Wisconsin

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Speaker 7: night because he offered a job in twenty fourteen in Milwaukee.

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Speaker 7: I'm surprised. That's scary, right, exactly, So while we dodged

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Speaker 7: that bullet. But really we've got multiple socialists who are

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Speaker 7: actually running right now to be governor. I mean the

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Speaker 7: fact that Francesca Hang is the only person running currently

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Speaker 7: on the Democratic side who's outside the margin of error

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Speaker 7: by one point.

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Speaker 1: It's hysterical that Francesca Hang was first. I know the

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Speaker 1: poll you're talking about, it's probably no one has any name.

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Speaker 2: Idea this one. But how would you describe your philosophy political?

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Speaker 7: I just think it's common sense conservatism, you know. I

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01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:22,040
Speaker 7: try not to get too dogmatic or ideological about things,

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Speaker 7: because really what people need in Wisconsin is a government

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Speaker 7: that works for them. Again, I think we've got a

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Speaker 7: government that works against too many people in the state.

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Speaker 7: The fact that it's up by forty six percent since

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Speaker 7: Scott Walker left office. We're funding over seventy agencies, boards, commissions, departments.

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Speaker 7: Something's wrong when you've got multiple, like five agencies that

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Speaker 7: do economic development, three that do housing, three that do

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Speaker 7: job training, and yet you can't find anybody, and everybody's

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Speaker 7: working from home. And you know, happily I got a

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Speaker 7: chance to write an article for Wisconsin right now earlier

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Speaker 7: about the fact that we've got two and a half

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Speaker 7: million square feet of office space largely empty, and people

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Speaker 7: are having to pay maintenance, utilities and insurance on empty space.

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Speaker 1: So what would you do with the office of Lieutenant

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Speaker 1: governor to make this you know, just not just a

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Speaker 1: placeholder figure. How he doesn't do anything like what would

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Speaker 1: be your vision for that office?

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Speaker 7: Well, so, first of all, because I have actually worked

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Speaker 7: in the departments, I'm the first person in modern times

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Speaker 7: that's actually worked in state departments before, so knowing the

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Speaker 7: overlap and the redundancy across these agencies, I want to

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Speaker 7: help the governor who's only going to have about forty

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Speaker 7: five days to put together a budget message in an outline.

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Speaker 7: The dirty secret is a lot of times governors come

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Speaker 7: in railing against the prior, but not having the time

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01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:46,600
Speaker 7: to actually remove all the prior. So what happens is

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01:21:46,680 --> 01:21:49,240
Speaker 7: they stack all their new programs on top of the old.

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Speaker 7: What I want to do is help the next governor

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Speaker 7: remove as much of that redundancy so we have not

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Speaker 7: just a slowing of the growth in government, but actually

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Speaker 7: cut the size of government so people can get their

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Speaker 7: money back.

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Speaker 1: Efficiency agenda, that's a huge pordability agenda.

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Speaker 2: I was talking about that last hour.

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Speaker 7: We talked about housing affordability and the fact that I've

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Speaker 7: worked on those issues before at the Wisconsin Housing and

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Speaker 7: Economic Development Authority. We've got a three billion dollar agency,

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01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:20,840
Speaker 7: which I want to make sure the audience understands we

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01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:24,680
Speaker 7: do not pay taxes for This is essentially like a

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01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:28,280
Speaker 7: public bank. We don't pay taxes for them. We're not

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Speaker 7: funding them. We don't have to fund them. Tasking them

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Speaker 7: to make sure that we're making housing more affordable and

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Speaker 7: really pushing them to have greater outcomes for our workforce.

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Speaker 7: That would do a huge amount to make that And

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Speaker 7: so I can work on that issue.

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Speaker 1: AI credit and you have credit on that issue, and

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Speaker 1: we should talk about your We'll get to AI in

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01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:53,479
Speaker 1: a second, but briefly give people your resume, like whare

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Speaker 1: of your work being concise on that part very quickly.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, work for Tommy Thompson, work for Scott Walker. I'm

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Speaker 7: the only person that's worked for last two administrations and

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01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:05,040
Speaker 7: only spent four years in total in government.

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Speaker 2: Not the administration, not the Evers administration.

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01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 7: That's right, Tommy Thompson, Scott Walker, four years in total.

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Speaker 7: The rest of my entire career has been in the

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01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:17,640
Speaker 7: private sector. I helped Tommy Thompson to privatize welfare to

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01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:20,840
Speaker 7: work so that we actually helped thousands of families be

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01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:23,120
Speaker 7: able to take care of themselves and their kids, but

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01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:26,800
Speaker 7: also been able to actually save millions of dollars, over

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01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:29,880
Speaker 7: twenty million dollars in savings for the people of Wisconsin.

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01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:34,759
Speaker 7: There worked on economic development and workforce development under Scott Walker.

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Speaker 2: I think that laugh of mine was a cackle. I'm

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01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:38,800
Speaker 2: gonna try not to do that.

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Speaker 1: Some Democrat pull out that club and make me sound

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01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:46,800
Speaker 1: like I'm doing a Hillary line listening.

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01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:49,280
Speaker 2: That's a Hillary Yeah, that's how I'm sure they listened

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01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:51,559
Speaker 2: to missus scour away. What can we get Just con

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01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:54,360
Speaker 2: tell us about the AI thing you were.

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01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:57,360
Speaker 7: Boxing, So you know right now, if you think about

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01:23:57,479 --> 01:23:59,639
Speaker 7: the state and kind of the hit that we took here,

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01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:02,439
Speaker 7: this has been the machine shop of the world, and

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01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:05,240
Speaker 7: if you needed to build something, it can be built

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01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:08,400
Speaker 7: in Wisconsin. The problem is that when we went through

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01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:10,960
Speaker 7: the rest Beelt phenomena, the state government really didn't take

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01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:13,559
Speaker 7: a position and create a strategy to make sure our

1459
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:17,200
Speaker 7: people weren't run over by globalization. Right now, we're on

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01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:21,880
Speaker 7: the precipice of real transformation. Towards AI and automation in

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01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:25,920
Speaker 7: so many industries, including in manufacturing. I want to make

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01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:28,599
Speaker 7: sure that we pull together the unions, our two year,

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01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:31,960
Speaker 7: our four year colleges, our K twelve, our businesses and

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Speaker 7: have a conversation about what's the strategy to make sure

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Speaker 7: our people are trained, in some cases retrained and can

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Speaker 7: actually prosper during this period of transformation not get run

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Speaker 7: over by it.

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Speaker 1: So you were talking during the break about your family's

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01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:49,840
Speaker 1: voting history, and that was interesting. Can you tell me

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Speaker 1: about that and then how you became maybe you always

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Speaker 1: were one, you know, a conservative.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So for those who don't know, you know, African

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01:24:57,720 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 7: Americans were a large almost entirely a Republican coming out

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01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:08,360
Speaker 7: of you know, Civil War, the first Civil Rights bills,

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01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:12,160
Speaker 7: that first Civil Rights era, all the way up until

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01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 7: the Great Depression, and it's really when FDR comes in.

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Speaker 7: And my family was one of those families that literally

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01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:21,679
Speaker 7: talked about, hey, we're going to vote Democrat now because

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01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:25,599
Speaker 7: as people were starving back in those days, they made

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01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:28,680
Speaker 7: programs available to make sure that people could feed themselves through.

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Speaker 7: That was the transition for my family too. And so

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Speaker 7: I was the first person in my family to step

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01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:37,760
Speaker 7: back as first person to go to college, first person

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01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:40,639
Speaker 7: to really think about because we never talked about politics

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01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:42,080
Speaker 7: in my family at all.

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Speaker 2: What did your parents do?

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Speaker 7: My dad was a retail manager, so we moved every

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01:25:48,439 --> 01:25:52,160
Speaker 7: year virtually for several years. My mother was one of

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Speaker 7: the people working at the post office. At one point,

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Speaker 7: she was actually when they first brought in zip codes,

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Speaker 7: and when they first brought in computers. She was actually

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Speaker 7: helping code some of the computers, the punch cards that

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Speaker 7: they used to do.

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Speaker 2: Did you know Mandela Barnes's mother was a teacher?

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Speaker 8: You know?

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01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:09,479
Speaker 7: I have heard that that. I've heard that you know,

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01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:11,960
Speaker 7: and so I still want to check to make sure

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01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:13,519
Speaker 7: that's true. But I had definitely heard.

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Speaker 2: I do interviews. I want to know the human side.

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Speaker 5: I do.

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Speaker 7: And now my mother is mayor of our hometown, which

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01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:24,439
Speaker 7: is where I ran for a lieutenant governor of the

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Speaker 7: same year she ran for our city council. And she

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Speaker 7: is now mayor and in her second term, first African American,

1505
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:34,080
Speaker 7: first woman ever to be a mayor of our hometown.

1506
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:34,839
Speaker 2: What's the hometown.

1507
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:38,880
Speaker 7: It's a little place called Alcoa and sou So if

1508
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:42,000
Speaker 7: you've ever gone to it's in Tennessee. If you've ever

1509
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:44,960
Speaker 7: gone to Knoxville, if you've ever flown into Knoxville, you

1510
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:48,800
Speaker 7: didn't really fly into Knoxville. You flew into my hometown.

1511
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:54,080
Speaker 7: And the airport is actually sitting in my hometown. Non contiguous.

1512
01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:57,599
Speaker 7: That's what you can do with a Republican administration down there, right.

1513
01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:01,360
Speaker 7: They just created an island for the airport down there.

1514
01:27:02,120 --> 01:27:04,160
Speaker 7: And so she is in her second term as mayor,

1515
01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:08,480
Speaker 7: and we're actually holding a fundraiser. We're doing a homecoming

1516
01:27:08,600 --> 01:27:12,400
Speaker 7: fundraiser for me down home in Tennessee right after Thanksgiving.

1517
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:14,120
Speaker 2: How did you end up in Milwaukee and when?

1518
01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:17,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually Wisconsin. I should say, I don't know

1519
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:18,920
Speaker 1: if you lived in Milwaukee because you live.

1520
01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:21,120
Speaker 7: In Yeah, you lived in Milwaukee as well. I live

1521
01:27:21,160 --> 01:27:21,879
Speaker 7: in the Sinia.

1522
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:23,760
Speaker 2: I know that because you were telling me you got snow.

1523
01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:27,559
Speaker 7: Absolutely. I started in Beloit, and the way I got

1524
01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:30,479
Speaker 7: to Wisconsin was by way of Israel. I lived overseas

1525
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:33,639
Speaker 7: for a year, took my classes in the eleventh grade,

1526
01:27:34,479 --> 01:27:38,280
Speaker 7: learned Hebrew, and came back and worked twenty years later

1527
01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:42,040
Speaker 7: for the advising the Israeli government. But yeah, that's how

1528
01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:45,000
Speaker 7: I got to Wisconsin. I got several places that gave

1529
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:47,920
Speaker 7: me scholarships. I went to visit them. One of those

1530
01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:50,599
Speaker 7: was here in Wisconsin. Came for college and never left.

1531
01:27:51,920 --> 01:27:55,840
Speaker 1: Wow, there's a lot to unpack there. Well let me start, Well,

1532
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:58,000
Speaker 1: go back. We were going through the voting history of

1533
01:27:58,120 --> 01:27:58,639
Speaker 1: the family.

1534
01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 7: So that's so we started off as Republicans and in

1535
01:28:02,479 --> 01:28:07,160
Speaker 7: thirty two they transitioned over to the Democrat Party. Since

1536
01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:09,640
Speaker 7: that time, my family was solidly, solidly even though we

1537
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:12,479
Speaker 7: didn't talk about politics. So when I came home and announced, hey,

1538
01:28:12,640 --> 01:28:16,360
Speaker 7: I voted. My first election was George Herbert Walker Bush

1539
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:21,280
Speaker 7: and voted Republican there and it was a great source

1540
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:24,920
Speaker 7: of conversation. I will say every Thanksgiving coming home to

1541
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:29,000
Speaker 7: have this conversation. But I always felt comfortable because you know,

1542
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:32,080
Speaker 7: it was my family, and I could always talk about

1543
01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:34,480
Speaker 7: why I was a conservative.

1544
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:37,960
Speaker 2: And was there a moment where you realized you were one?

1545
01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:39,920
Speaker 2: It was a college transformation.

1546
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:45,640
Speaker 7: Well was, strangely enough, Bloyd College. It was there that

1547
01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 7: I decided I'm a conservative. And it was really lining

1548
01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:52,120
Speaker 7: up the policies of the two parties and looking at

1549
01:28:52,439 --> 01:28:55,320
Speaker 7: do I want government to do more or do I

1550
01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:56,960
Speaker 7: want to have the freedom to do more?

1551
01:28:57,040 --> 01:29:01,720
Speaker 2: For myself, a mentor somebody who influenced No, it really

1552
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:02,919
Speaker 2: was on TV.

1553
01:29:02,840 --> 01:29:06,200
Speaker 7: Or you just did you did the homework, and really

1554
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:09,280
Speaker 7: what they teach you to do, hopefully at college you

1555
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:12,760
Speaker 7: know things go well is think critically, think analytically. So

1556
01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:15,559
Speaker 7: I lined up the policies and looked at them and thought,

1557
01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:18,560
Speaker 7: and my degree is an economics and so to me,

1558
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:23,679
Speaker 7: the whole notion of a socialist approach made no economic

1559
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:25,559
Speaker 7: sense to me, and so of course I ended up

1560
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:26,520
Speaker 7: having to be a conservative.

1561
01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:29,040
Speaker 1: So explain, I mean, I think we all know we're

1562
01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:31,720
Speaker 1: against it, but explain in the best way you can

1563
01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:33,080
Speaker 1: why it doesn't make sense.

1564
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:35,559
Speaker 7: Well, because the more the government comes in, it really

1565
01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 7: crowds out innovation and the private sector. And so if

1566
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:41,519
Speaker 7: you want the most expensive way to do a thing,

1567
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:44,280
Speaker 7: and not to do it particularly well, you give it

1568
01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:47,439
Speaker 7: to government. Government should only do what it is actually

1569
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:50,519
Speaker 7: tasked to do, what it only uniquely can do, and

1570
01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:52,400
Speaker 7: the rest of it should be left to the private sector.

1571
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:55,479
Speaker 7: So to the degree that we've actually had, you know,

1572
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:59,560
Speaker 7: this whole debate about Obama Care, this is again a

1573
01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:03,120
Speaker 7: case of more socialized medicine, and it just increases the

1574
01:30:03,320 --> 01:30:07,000
Speaker 7: cost every time the government steps in, people know what

1575
01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:11,000
Speaker 7: the floor is, and so they continue to raise the cost. Right,

1576
01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:12,800
Speaker 7: That's exactly what we're arguing about.

1577
01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:12,960
Speaker 8: Now.

1578
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:15,760
Speaker 7: What this whole shutdown was about was the fact that

1579
01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:17,720
Speaker 7: you know, how much more are you going to give

1580
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:21,360
Speaker 7: of our money to these insurance companies to make this

1581
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:21,880
Speaker 7: thing work?

1582
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:24,040
Speaker 1: And all the food shares spending we were talking about

1583
01:30:24,040 --> 01:30:28,160
Speaker 1: in the last hour. So we're going to take a

1584
01:30:28,240 --> 01:30:30,920
Speaker 1: break when we come back. I had asked Will to

1585
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:33,360
Speaker 1: do an article for Wisconsin right now. You can find

1586
01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:35,840
Speaker 1: it on Wisconsin right now. It's our top story. It's

1587
01:30:35,880 --> 01:30:39,439
Speaker 1: called eleven interesting facts about Will Martin, Republican candidate for

1588
01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:42,479
Speaker 1: Wisconsin Lieutenant Governor, and when we come back, we're going

1589
01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:44,360
Speaker 1: to go through them. One of them is about Israel,

1590
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:46,160
Speaker 1: so we'll talk more about how you ended up there.

1591
01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:50,120
Speaker 1: Stay tuned this hour in the Fall Fortune Cash contest

1592
01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:54,280
Speaker 1: is Grand, g R, A and D. You have until

1593
01:30:54,360 --> 01:30:56,639
Speaker 1: fifty five minutes past the hour to go to Newstalk

1594
01:30:56,640 --> 01:30:59,640
Speaker 1: eleven thirty dot com and enter the word grand to

1595
01:30:59,840 --> 01:31:02,519
Speaker 1: endure the contest for this hour. So I'm having a

1596
01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:06,960
Speaker 1: conversation with Will Martin. He is a Republican candidate for

1597
01:31:07,080 --> 01:31:10,840
Speaker 1: Wisconsin lieutenant governor and there's a couple of candidates in

1598
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:14,599
Speaker 1: the race. I see him everywhere. I think he's really interesting.

1599
01:31:14,680 --> 01:31:17,960
Speaker 1: He has a lot to say. So I had promised

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01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:20,960
Speaker 1: before the break, I had will do a story called

1601
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:23,960
Speaker 1: eleven interesting Facts about why I put that they're interesting.

1602
01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:26,519
Speaker 2: You were saying you're so interesting, I think you're interesting.

1603
01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:27,080
Speaker 7: Well, thank you.

1604
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:31,479
Speaker 1: Eleven interesting facts about Will Martin, Republican candidate for lieutenant governors.

1605
01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:32,320
Speaker 2: So let's go through them.

1606
01:31:32,360 --> 01:31:35,320
Speaker 1: We'll talk about them. Number one, you said, your birthday

1607
01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:38,519
Speaker 1: is June teenth, June nineteenth, which commemorates the day one

1608
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:41,360
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty years ago and the last enslaved people

1609
01:31:41,400 --> 01:31:44,160
Speaker 1: in the United States learned they were freed. So I

1610
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:47,080
Speaker 1: wanted to kind of circle back with this on this

1611
01:31:47,479 --> 01:31:51,479
Speaker 1: fact to something I mentioned at the top of the hour,

1612
01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:55,479
Speaker 1: which is, I do think conservative minorities and conservative women

1613
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:58,400
Speaker 1: have a tougher road to walk. You're African American, you

1614
01:31:58,520 --> 01:32:01,360
Speaker 1: have a show in the inner City, a Republican.

1615
01:32:01,439 --> 01:32:02,040
Speaker 2: Talk about that.

1616
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:03,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's why I don't have har anymore.

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01:32:04,720 --> 01:32:04,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:08,920
Speaker 7: Now, I think that there's a huge opportunity because we

1619
01:32:09,040 --> 01:32:12,920
Speaker 7: don't take our message. Our message resonates with people who

1620
01:32:13,040 --> 01:32:17,120
Speaker 7: are primarily conservative, right, Well, we stop remembering that when

1621
01:32:17,160 --> 01:32:19,280
Speaker 7: you really go to the African American community and talk

1622
01:32:19,320 --> 01:32:21,599
Speaker 7: to people who are coming out of the church. These

1623
01:32:21,640 --> 01:32:25,240
Speaker 7: are very conservative people who believe in family values, believe

1624
01:32:25,320 --> 01:32:28,280
Speaker 7: in a hard day's work, et cetera. Not taking the

1625
01:32:28,360 --> 01:32:31,960
Speaker 7: message is abandoning folks in the Central City who believe

1626
01:32:32,160 --> 01:32:34,639
Speaker 7: like us but have not heard the message and don't

1627
01:32:34,720 --> 01:32:37,360
Speaker 7: understand what we would actually do. And so bringing that

1628
01:32:37,560 --> 01:32:39,960
Speaker 7: that's why I was proud to bring Brian Style into

1629
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:43,000
Speaker 7: the studio and talk about the big beautiful Bill, which

1630
01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:45,840
Speaker 7: all they had heard was the ugly bill, right, and

1631
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:49,599
Speaker 7: what it does against you. So talking about tax on tips,

1632
01:32:49,880 --> 01:32:52,960
Speaker 7: no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, making sure

1633
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:56,000
Speaker 7: that our seniors aren't paying taxes on their Social Security,

1634
01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:58,519
Speaker 7: et cetera. That was the first time some of those

1635
01:32:58,520 --> 01:33:00,920
Speaker 7: folks got a chance to hear that message. I'm proud

1636
01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:02,640
Speaker 7: to be able to bring that. But you're right that

1637
01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:05,519
Speaker 7: it is a harder thing to do because you get

1638
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:10,160
Speaker 7: the reaction from these liberals and it's not always left right,

1639
01:33:10,439 --> 01:33:12,519
Speaker 7: but it's not always from the African American community.

1640
01:33:12,720 --> 01:33:18,880
Speaker 1: It's often signs there you should know better.

1641
01:33:19,160 --> 01:33:22,120
Speaker 7: That's right, you should know better, or you've you've you've

1642
01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:24,439
Speaker 7: taken your race back fifty years. I've had people come

1643
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:27,560
Speaker 7: up and tell me that that's the case. And this

1644
01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:30,840
Speaker 7: is it's so incredible to have white liberals telling me

1645
01:33:31,360 --> 01:33:33,839
Speaker 7: that I really don't have the right to think for myself.

1646
01:33:33,960 --> 01:33:36,240
Speaker 7: I really don't have the right to actually think about

1647
01:33:36,680 --> 01:33:41,240
Speaker 7: who best, you know, uh represents the policies I believe in.

1648
01:33:41,800 --> 01:33:44,360
Speaker 7: I'm just supposed to be typecast as Hey, you're black,

1649
01:33:44,439 --> 01:33:45,920
Speaker 7: you might as well just go ahead and stand in

1650
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:47,800
Speaker 7: line over there. And by the way, there's only one

1651
01:33:47,840 --> 01:33:48,320
Speaker 7: way to vote.

1652
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:49,920
Speaker 2: And have you felt welcome done the right?

1653
01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:53,320
Speaker 7: I mean, I hunch percent And it's always been the case.

1654
01:33:53,439 --> 01:33:57,000
Speaker 7: And who really opened my eyes to it was Tommy Thompson.

1655
01:33:57,040 --> 01:33:59,599
Speaker 7: The fact that I came in and Tommy Thompson didn't

1656
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:02,080
Speaker 7: ask me, hey, you know what race are you? How

1657
01:34:02,240 --> 01:34:05,000
Speaker 7: you know? They didn't go through all of the identity

1658
01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:08,280
Speaker 7: politics at the other side, plays you wanted to know, Hey,

1659
01:34:08,680 --> 01:34:10,280
Speaker 7: you know what do you care about? You know what

1660
01:34:10,360 --> 01:34:12,479
Speaker 7: are you passionate about? And are you able to come

1661
01:34:12,520 --> 01:34:15,680
Speaker 7: here and bring your talents and help Wisconsin? They hired me.

1662
01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:19,040
Speaker 7: I say every time I take a bullet for Tommy Thompson.

1663
01:34:19,240 --> 01:34:21,920
Speaker 7: That man changed my life because he believed in me.

1664
01:34:22,439 --> 01:34:25,920
Speaker 7: And so ever since then, I've believed in Wisconsin and

1665
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:27,400
Speaker 7: this has been my opportunity state.

1666
01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:28,320
Speaker 2: And then you've gone out.

1667
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:30,560
Speaker 1: You went on to work for Scott Walker, like we

1668
01:34:30,680 --> 01:34:33,360
Speaker 1: said as well. Okay, So number two fact was that

1669
01:34:33,479 --> 01:34:36,360
Speaker 1: you were born in rural America in Tennessee. We mentioned

1670
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:39,360
Speaker 1: that before, just miles from the Smoky Mountains. Can you

1671
01:34:39,520 --> 01:34:42,759
Speaker 1: talk about how being born in rural America has perhaps

1672
01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:45,360
Speaker 1: affected or shaped your politics to your worldview?

1673
01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:48,360
Speaker 7: You know what, For me, it meant my family. I

1674
01:34:48,439 --> 01:34:51,880
Speaker 7: grew up with four generations, my great grandparents all still

1675
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:55,120
Speaker 7: being alive, my grandparents, et cetera, and that idea of

1676
01:34:55,280 --> 01:34:58,479
Speaker 7: the family unit and the idea that you work hard.

1677
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:00,880
Speaker 7: My first job was when I was fourteen years old

1678
01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:04,040
Speaker 7: working at the Smoky Mountain Passion play in the Smokies,

1679
01:35:04,280 --> 01:35:06,880
Speaker 7: right and the area by the way, Yeah, it absolutely so.

1680
01:35:07,120 --> 01:35:09,160
Speaker 7: It was the Passion of Christ one night and the

1681
01:35:09,680 --> 01:35:11,920
Speaker 7: Damascus Road the Story of Paul the next night. But

1682
01:35:12,040 --> 01:35:14,519
Speaker 7: that was my first job working up there and then

1683
01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:17,559
Speaker 7: going from there to go work at live and study

1684
01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:20,840
Speaker 7: in Israel. So it was talking about the Biblical in

1685
01:35:20,960 --> 01:35:23,560
Speaker 7: one sense, and then leaving to actually live in the

1686
01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:24,920
Speaker 7: in the land of the Bible.

1687
01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:27,240
Speaker 2: How did that happen? So we're going to circle back

1688
01:35:27,240 --> 01:35:29,479
Speaker 2: down then, how did you end up in Israel?

1689
01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:32,040
Speaker 7: Your I asked for Italy. No, this is this is

1690
01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:34,880
Speaker 7: so crazy. A kid in my high school said, hey,

1691
01:35:34,920 --> 01:35:39,240
Speaker 7: we got this booster program AFS American Field Service. You know,

1692
01:35:39,320 --> 01:35:41,519
Speaker 7: we haven't had anybody go overseas. I'm going to go

1693
01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:44,320
Speaker 7: to He was telling me, I'm going to go to France.

1694
01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:46,960
Speaker 7: You should pick a place too. So I picked Italy.

1695
01:35:47,479 --> 01:35:49,360
Speaker 7: I don't know why we thought that this made any

1696
01:35:49,360 --> 01:35:52,960
Speaker 7: good sense. He withdrew his papers and no one had

1697
01:35:53,040 --> 01:35:56,320
Speaker 7: gone from my high school in ten years. So my

1698
01:35:56,400 --> 01:35:59,200
Speaker 7: papers went through and I had asked for Italy. They

1699
01:35:59,240 --> 01:36:02,560
Speaker 7: said you got two options, Tunisia or Israel. And not

1700
01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:04,960
Speaker 7: knowing what we you know, we didn't know back then.

1701
01:36:05,240 --> 01:36:08,040
Speaker 7: We thought, oh, Israel be safe, it's the land of

1702
01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:10,960
Speaker 7: the Bible. It'll be fine. And for that one year

1703
01:36:11,120 --> 01:36:13,200
Speaker 7: it was peaceful. For that one year.

1704
01:36:13,439 --> 01:36:17,040
Speaker 1: Has it informed your positions and what's happening again and

1705
01:36:17,120 --> 01:36:17,599
Speaker 1: in what way?

1706
01:36:17,920 --> 01:36:22,280
Speaker 7: Hugely? Because I was there when the Marines were bombed

1707
01:36:22,360 --> 01:36:25,800
Speaker 7: at the Beirut Airport. I remember seeing the helicopters, the

1708
01:36:26,760 --> 01:36:32,680
Speaker 7: helicopters coming over from Lebanon to to Israel for those

1709
01:36:32,720 --> 01:36:36,320
Speaker 7: guys who had really been hurt very badly, And to

1710
01:36:36,479 --> 01:36:39,920
Speaker 7: think about how much of a tinder box the Middle

1711
01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:43,240
Speaker 7: East is and how tight people don't understand. We talk

1712
01:36:43,280 --> 01:36:47,920
Speaker 7: about countries or states here, the sliver that that is

1713
01:36:48,160 --> 01:36:50,920
Speaker 7: Israel is so thin that you can drive it in

1714
01:36:51,040 --> 01:36:53,760
Speaker 7: less than a day. I mean, it's literally so thin.

1715
01:36:54,320 --> 01:36:56,639
Speaker 7: And so when they talk about from from the river

1716
01:36:56,840 --> 01:37:00,839
Speaker 7: to the sea, they're really talking about a very slice

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Speaker 7: of land that it would be very easy to push.

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Speaker 7: And so that's why it's so important that we support

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Speaker 7: Israel as the only true democracy in the Middle East.

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Speaker 2: And that was number three.

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Speaker 1: So we can skip that one because you said you

1722
01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:17,400
Speaker 1: spent your eleventh grade in high school as an exchange

1723
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Speaker 1: student and then.

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Speaker 7: Went back twenty years later and worked for the Israeli government,

1725
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:25,160
Speaker 7: advised the Israeli government, the Dutch government, and the British

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01:37:25,160 --> 01:37:29,120
Speaker 7: government on what well actually on Wisconsin reform. So we did.

1727
01:37:29,600 --> 01:37:33,720
Speaker 7: We were so groundbreaking in Wisconsin that not only did

1728
01:37:33,760 --> 01:37:38,200
Speaker 7: Tommy Thompson transform the federal law on welfare to work.

1729
01:37:38,920 --> 01:37:42,519
Speaker 7: But countries around the world adopted what was called the

1730
01:37:42,600 --> 01:37:46,600
Speaker 7: Wisconsin Plan getting people back into the market. And so

1731
01:37:47,400 --> 01:37:50,799
Speaker 7: the Israeli government, the British government, and the Dutch government

1732
01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:54,600
Speaker 7: and some others by the way, adopted many parts of

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01:37:54,720 --> 01:37:55,599
Speaker 7: what we did here.

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Speaker 2: And can you explain why it's so important to have

1735
01:37:59,000 --> 01:38:00,400
Speaker 2: a system that gets people.

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Speaker 7: Back to work. Yeah, Well, first of all, the dignity

1737
01:38:02,200 --> 01:38:05,080
Speaker 7: of work, the idea that your kids, your kids see

1738
01:38:05,240 --> 01:38:08,840
Speaker 7: what you do, right, Our kids actually watch what we do.

1739
01:38:09,200 --> 01:38:12,640
Speaker 7: And so making sure that the next generation sees that

1740
01:38:12,840 --> 01:38:15,439
Speaker 7: idea of work and going every day and what you're

1741
01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:18,280
Speaker 7: invested in. That opens the eyes of the child in

1742
01:38:18,400 --> 01:38:20,840
Speaker 7: terms of what they can strive for. Right, So what

1743
01:38:20,920 --> 01:38:23,519
Speaker 7: do you strive for when society has told you that

1744
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:26,679
Speaker 7: your warehouse, that you have no talent, you have nothing

1745
01:38:26,760 --> 01:38:29,479
Speaker 7: to contribute, And so what does the kid get out

1746
01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:32,040
Speaker 7: of that story as well as the adult. So opening

1747
01:38:32,120 --> 01:38:35,800
Speaker 7: the doors, unleashing that talent, getting people back into the market,

1748
01:38:36,640 --> 01:38:39,280
Speaker 7: that does a world of good, not just for society,

1749
01:38:39,360 --> 01:38:40,680
Speaker 7: but for those families we.

1750
01:38:40,720 --> 01:38:43,559
Speaker 2: Build strong fathers, strong un Are you a father?

1751
01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:46,320
Speaker 7: I am not? I am not, you know, I'm still

1752
01:38:46,320 --> 01:38:49,920
Speaker 7: a kid. I feel like you know, I still feel

1753
01:38:49,960 --> 01:38:51,920
Speaker 7: like that same age when I came to Wisconsin and

1754
01:38:51,960 --> 01:38:53,200
Speaker 7: Tommy Thompson put me to work.

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Speaker 2: We have a lot of energy, I'll tell you that.

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Speaker 1: So you said number four, My car and I have

1757
01:38:57,160 --> 01:39:00,120
Speaker 1: traveled so many miles one hundred thousand across Wisconsin that

1758
01:39:00,200 --> 01:39:05,000
Speaker 1: the catalytic converter actually melted tough. Yeah, you were just

1759
01:39:05,080 --> 01:39:07,519
Speaker 1: telling me during the breaks, we'll talk about this journey.

1760
01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:10,800
Speaker 1: The first time you met Tom Tiffany, Congressmanah, absolutely, that

1761
01:39:10,840 --> 01:39:12,679
Speaker 1: was another story.

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01:39:13,040 --> 01:39:17,240
Speaker 7: So Ceely, Wisconsin, Unincorporated. It was eight below zero. We

1763
01:39:17,320 --> 01:39:19,759
Speaker 7: were going up for the Lincoln Day dinner in Sawyer County,

1764
01:39:20,360 --> 01:39:22,800
Speaker 7: and so I got up there and just talked about

1765
01:39:22,840 --> 01:39:25,280
Speaker 7: being from rural America and how we get ignored, but

1766
01:39:25,400 --> 01:39:27,439
Speaker 7: we pay the same taxes as the people who were

1767
01:39:27,479 --> 01:39:30,320
Speaker 7: in these big cities, and that there's more of us

1768
01:39:30,439 --> 01:39:32,519
Speaker 7: than there are of them, really when you start to

1769
01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:35,960
Speaker 7: look at it. And so I talked about needing to

1770
01:39:36,040 --> 01:39:38,679
Speaker 7: transform this government to get it working for people again.

1771
01:39:39,040 --> 01:39:41,840
Speaker 7: And Tom Tiffany sent his staff for over and said

1772
01:39:42,080 --> 01:39:44,320
Speaker 7: get him over here right now. And so I came over.

1773
01:39:44,439 --> 01:39:46,680
Speaker 7: He said, will are you serious about really cutting the

1774
01:39:46,760 --> 01:39:48,599
Speaker 7: size of government? And I was serious as a heart

1775
01:39:48,680 --> 01:39:51,800
Speaker 7: tech and so I've continued beyond this road about trying

1776
01:39:51,840 --> 01:39:52,640
Speaker 7: to make sure we do this.

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Speaker 1: And when you announced for lieutenant governor again as a Republican,

1778
01:39:56,760 --> 01:40:01,479
Speaker 1: you you purposely chose a small town location to do that.

1779
01:40:01,560 --> 01:40:03,519
Speaker 1: You were telling me that at an event we were at,

1780
01:40:03,640 --> 01:40:06,120
Speaker 1: tell people why you picked that and where that was at.

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01:40:06,320 --> 01:40:08,240
Speaker 7: So actually it was funny. I didn't even pick it.

1782
01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:11,000
Speaker 7: It was these folks that have been supporters of mine

1783
01:40:11,200 --> 01:40:14,240
Speaker 7: who were now just they're not just supporters, they're friends.

1784
01:40:14,680 --> 01:40:17,719
Speaker 7: And they said, will you've got to have an announcement event.

1785
01:40:17,800 --> 01:40:19,400
Speaker 7: I said, oh, we'll probably just put out a paper

1786
01:40:19,439 --> 01:40:21,559
Speaker 7: statement in the video. No, no, no, no, you got

1787
01:40:21,680 --> 01:40:24,400
Speaker 7: to have an event. So they took it upon themselves

1788
01:40:24,479 --> 01:40:27,080
Speaker 7: to pull it together in the town of Elba, which

1789
01:40:27,120 --> 01:40:30,400
Speaker 7: is in Dodge County, population one thousand. They got a

1790
01:40:30,479 --> 01:40:32,960
Speaker 7: business to host it, and we were able to get

1791
01:40:33,200 --> 01:40:36,120
Speaker 7: people from the community together and about fifty people are

1792
01:40:36,160 --> 01:40:39,479
Speaker 7: so gathered for this conversation to talk about what we

1793
01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:39,960
Speaker 7: need to do.

1794
01:40:40,760 --> 01:40:44,160
Speaker 1: So a couple more and then we're actually going to

1795
01:40:44,200 --> 01:40:45,920
Speaker 1: switchcares a little bit. I'm going to ask you to

1796
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:48,519
Speaker 1: stick around because we're going to talk about Beloit College,

1797
01:40:48,600 --> 01:40:51,120
Speaker 1: what's going on there? Returning point and it's your alma maters,

1798
01:40:51,160 --> 01:40:55,240
Speaker 1: so have you stick around? But you also said in

1799
01:40:55,360 --> 01:40:57,280
Speaker 1: this list, do you have a radio show? We talked

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01:40:57,280 --> 01:41:00,200
Speaker 1: about that the only conservative on Wisconsin's only black on

1801
01:41:00,360 --> 01:41:05,400
Speaker 1: talk radio station. Your guests included Ron Johnson's Style, Tom Tiffany,

1802
01:41:05,439 --> 01:41:11,400
Speaker 1: Wesley Hunt, Josh Shuwman State Center, Corey Tomchek, a Republican.

1803
01:41:11,840 --> 01:41:15,080
Speaker 1: You also said that you led the effort to finalize

1804
01:41:15,080 --> 01:41:18,960
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty federally designated Opportunity zones during President

1805
01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:24,280
Speaker 1: Trump's first term to incentivize revitalization of economically distressed areas

1806
01:41:24,360 --> 01:41:28,000
Speaker 1: in rural and urban Wisconsin, and you helped spearhead the

1807
01:41:28,040 --> 01:41:32,280
Speaker 1: effort to adopt two constitutional amendments to increase election integrity,

1808
01:41:32,800 --> 01:41:37,080
Speaker 1: including ensuring only citizens can vote in Wisconsin elections and

1809
01:41:37,160 --> 01:41:39,760
Speaker 1: that all must provide photo IDs to prove who they

1810
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:42,439
Speaker 1: are and number eleven and people can see the whole list,

1811
01:41:42,479 --> 01:41:44,200
Speaker 1: by the way in Wisconsin right now, I'm kind of

1812
01:41:44,200 --> 01:41:47,160
Speaker 1: skipping around, but number eleven. The last one was that

1813
01:41:47,240 --> 01:41:48,640
Speaker 1: you live in a home. I have to make sure

1814
01:41:48,680 --> 01:41:51,360
Speaker 1: I get to this one originally built just seven years

1815
01:41:51,439 --> 01:41:54,280
Speaker 1: after Wisconsin's statehood and early in the Civil War it

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01:41:54,400 --> 01:41:55,320
Speaker 1: was home to nuns.

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01:41:55,439 --> 01:41:57,200
Speaker 7: Right, It was built in eighteen fifty five, and in

1818
01:41:57,320 --> 01:42:00,599
Speaker 7: eighteen sixty two the nuns moved in. So the first

1819
01:42:00,680 --> 01:42:03,760
Speaker 7: home of the Racine Dominicans was actually the house that

1820
01:42:03,880 --> 01:42:07,439
Speaker 7: I bought. And it was a mess. But and every

1821
01:42:07,479 --> 01:42:09,479
Speaker 7: time we opened a wall, my buddy would say, this

1822
01:42:09,640 --> 01:42:11,960
Speaker 7: place should have burned down, and I'm like, it's the nuns.

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01:42:12,360 --> 01:42:14,840
Speaker 7: They have blessed the house, and it is blessed. So

1824
01:42:15,360 --> 01:42:18,560
Speaker 7: I gutted it had a contractor come in and it

1825
01:42:18,720 --> 01:42:20,840
Speaker 7: is my home now and so I love it.

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Speaker 1: When you I want to final question, we're going to

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01:42:23,320 --> 01:42:25,920
Speaker 1: go to a break. But when we talked about I

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01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:29,960
Speaker 1: read the number eight where it was talking about incentivizing

1829
01:42:30,040 --> 01:42:33,280
Speaker 1: the revitalization of economically distressed areas. What do you think

1830
01:42:33,360 --> 01:42:36,080
Speaker 1: the number one thing can be done that can be

1831
01:42:36,200 --> 01:42:39,240
Speaker 1: done to help the city of Milwaukee the economically distressed

1832
01:42:39,280 --> 01:42:41,360
Speaker 1: areas of it since you have a talk radio show

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01:42:41,360 --> 01:42:41,920
Speaker 1: in the area.

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Speaker 7: Actually, so housing is a huge issue for our people

1835
01:42:44,640 --> 01:42:47,320
Speaker 7: in generally speaking, you know, we keep giving up on

1836
01:42:47,360 --> 01:42:50,880
Speaker 7: the cities. If you actually incentivize young people who are

1837
01:42:50,960 --> 01:42:53,400
Speaker 7: trying to find starter homes. They're an awful lot of

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01:42:53,439 --> 01:42:56,439
Speaker 7: places where we can rebuild, and the infrastructure's already there.

1839
01:42:57,000 --> 01:42:59,040
Speaker 7: So there are programs that I would love to be

1840
01:42:59,080 --> 01:43:02,040
Speaker 7: able to do that don't cost the people Wisconsin money,

1841
01:43:02,840 --> 01:43:05,040
Speaker 7: but would allow us to rebuild some of these neighborhoods

1842
01:43:05,040 --> 01:43:07,840
Speaker 7: and bring conservatives back so that we actually fight for

1843
01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:10,360
Speaker 7: these cities once again and calm these cities down.

1844
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Speaker 2: Sounds great, Okay, stay tuned, everybody.

1845
01:43:13,560 --> 01:43:15,400
Speaker 1: He's going to stick around because I want to talk

1846
01:43:15,439 --> 01:43:18,519
Speaker 1: about what's going on at Bloyd College. And it turns out, well,

1847
01:43:18,560 --> 01:43:19,920
Speaker 1: you graduated from ESS.

1848
01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:22,960
Speaker 7: That is right, I'm one of the rare conservatives that

1849
01:43:22,960 --> 01:43:24,080
Speaker 7: actually graduated from.

1850
01:43:23,920 --> 01:43:25,559
Speaker 2: How would you describe this college?

1851
01:43:25,680 --> 01:43:28,200
Speaker 7: To set up the topic, so it was an example

1852
01:43:28,760 --> 01:43:32,920
Speaker 7: when George H. Walker Bush ran for office and I

1853
01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:35,479
Speaker 7: sat up and watched the election returns come in. I

1854
01:43:35,680 --> 01:43:38,200
Speaker 7: was jubilant, but it seemed like there had been a

1855
01:43:38,240 --> 01:43:42,240
Speaker 7: death on campus after the election. So it's a very

1856
01:43:42,400 --> 01:43:45,720
Speaker 7: liberal place, but it's where it made me a much

1857
01:43:45,760 --> 01:43:48,880
Speaker 7: stronger conservative. It made me stand that much stronger for

1858
01:43:49,000 --> 01:43:50,280
Speaker 7: my own beliefs.

1859
01:43:50,720 --> 01:43:54,240
Speaker 1: And also it sounds like you got exposed to enough

1860
01:43:54,280 --> 01:43:56,840
Speaker 1: philosophies and ideas that you were it was you know,

1861
01:43:56,880 --> 01:43:59,640
Speaker 1: it informed your beliefs, and so that's part of the

1862
01:43:59,680 --> 01:44:02,080
Speaker 1: problem with what's going on there right now. So let's

1863
01:44:02,080 --> 01:44:04,920
Speaker 1: talk about what's going on at Bulay College. There's an

1864
01:44:04,960 --> 01:44:08,960
Speaker 1: attempt by courageous conservative students to start a Turning Point

1865
01:44:09,040 --> 01:44:14,040
Speaker 1: club and they're having problems again. Okay, so we saw that,

1866
01:44:14,120 --> 01:44:16,680
Speaker 1: We've seen this happen at a variety of places. You know,

1867
01:44:16,800 --> 01:44:20,360
Speaker 1: there's the private school out in Waukesha County where this

1868
01:44:20,560 --> 01:44:25,800
Speaker 1: is going on. And I don't understand why adults are

1869
01:44:25,880 --> 01:44:28,840
Speaker 1: trying to stand in the way of students who want

1870
01:44:28,960 --> 01:44:29,800
Speaker 1: to create.

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01:44:29,760 --> 01:44:31,479
Speaker 7: Clubs at a college.

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01:44:31,600 --> 01:44:35,479
Speaker 1: At a college, and well, the LCCA one is a

1873
01:44:35,560 --> 01:44:38,080
Speaker 1: high school, but like in this case, at a college,

1874
01:44:38,640 --> 01:44:41,679
Speaker 1: you know, I actually advise a student club. It's devoted

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01:44:41,720 --> 01:44:45,000
Speaker 1: to increasing voices in the media, and we define that

1876
01:44:45,280 --> 01:44:49,599
Speaker 1: very We define diversity very broadly, including ideological versus diversities

1877
01:44:49,640 --> 01:44:52,800
Speaker 1: bring more voices to campus. And so I believe in

1878
01:44:52,920 --> 01:44:56,639
Speaker 1: student clubs and the students who want to do these things,

1879
01:44:56,720 --> 01:45:00,280
Speaker 1: they're leaders on campus, they want to engage in civical life,

1880
01:45:00,360 --> 01:45:03,559
Speaker 1: and it just it boggles my mind that these students

1881
01:45:03,640 --> 01:45:06,360
Speaker 1: trying to create these Turning Point clubs all over Wisconsin,

1882
01:45:06,479 --> 01:45:09,560
Speaker 1: all over the United States are running into so many roadblocks,

1883
01:45:10,000 --> 01:45:13,240
Speaker 1: especially after what happened to Charlie Kirk, who was killed

1884
01:45:13,520 --> 01:45:16,680
Speaker 1: while trying to do exactly that, which is bring more

1885
01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:20,519
Speaker 1: voices and more conversation and ideas and civil debate to

1886
01:45:20,640 --> 01:45:24,280
Speaker 1: college campuses. And so there's a student named Joscelyn Jordan,

1887
01:45:24,880 --> 01:45:28,800
Speaker 1: and here's what she wrote on x okay. She said that,

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01:45:29,120 --> 01:45:31,639
Speaker 1: you know, they tried to start a Turning Point chapter

1889
01:45:31,720 --> 01:45:34,439
Speaker 1: at Bloyd College. It's a private institution, by the way,

1890
01:45:34,920 --> 01:45:40,520
Speaker 1: and they shared this on Instagram and she was photoshopped

1891
01:45:40,600 --> 01:45:46,280
Speaker 1: on Nazi propaganda with Nazi connotations, all these things disturbing,

1892
01:45:46,439 --> 01:45:51,559
Speaker 1: she described it, and just harassed even threatened, they're saying,

1893
01:45:51,720 --> 01:45:55,160
Speaker 1: you know, by people on social media. And then she wrote,

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01:45:55,200 --> 01:45:58,599
Speaker 1: we met every requirement to become a recognized club except

1895
01:45:58,680 --> 01:46:03,080
Speaker 1: one a faculty advisor. After multiple professors refused, we asked

1896
01:46:03,120 --> 01:46:05,840
Speaker 1: the Dean of students for help and got absolutely nothing.

1897
01:46:06,320 --> 01:46:10,320
Speaker 1: Then after posting our executive board on Instagram, the harassment exploded,

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01:46:10,439 --> 01:46:15,080
Speaker 1: dozens of comments calling us Nazis, KKK members, white supremacists,

1899
01:46:15,160 --> 01:46:20,280
Speaker 1: even personal insults. We reported everything. Beloit College's response that

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01:46:20,400 --> 01:46:23,000
Speaker 1: there was no real threat and we should consider starting

1901
01:46:23,040 --> 01:46:28,160
Speaker 1: a different organization. Meanwhile, the College Democrats operate without obstacles,

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01:46:28,240 --> 01:46:32,920
Speaker 1: without harassment, and with full institutional support. So yes, Beloit

1903
01:46:33,040 --> 01:46:36,479
Speaker 1: College loves inclusion as long as you agree with them.

1904
01:46:36,520 --> 01:46:40,360
Speaker 1: If not, harassment is ignored, safety is dismissed, and students

1905
01:46:40,360 --> 01:46:42,439
Speaker 1: are left on their owns, you better Bloit college.

1906
01:46:42,479 --> 01:46:43,280
Speaker 2: This is embarrassing.

1907
01:46:43,400 --> 01:46:43,479
Speaker 7: Now.

1908
01:46:43,560 --> 01:46:45,120
Speaker 2: By the way, I asked Jocelyn to come on.

1909
01:46:45,840 --> 01:46:48,920
Speaker 1: She's one of a cadre of young conservatives I really

1910
01:46:49,000 --> 01:46:50,800
Speaker 1: respect in the state that I kind of have my

1911
01:46:50,920 --> 01:46:51,240
Speaker 1: eye on.

1912
01:46:51,400 --> 01:46:53,120
Speaker 2: I think they're the future of the movement.

1913
01:46:54,120 --> 01:46:58,680
Speaker 1: Katie Smiley at LCCA, Jacob Turner, Jennipievo Varchak and they're

1914
01:46:58,720 --> 01:47:03,200
Speaker 1: at Concordia, Sabeth Wolnick at AFP are some examples. There's

1915
01:47:03,240 --> 01:47:05,920
Speaker 1: young Republicans, College Republicans. It's like a bright spot and

1916
01:47:05,960 --> 01:47:08,760
Speaker 1: the conservative movement. To have all these young people stepping up,

1917
01:47:09,479 --> 01:47:11,200
Speaker 1: and we're seeing more of them step up in the

1918
01:47:11,280 --> 01:47:14,519
Speaker 1: wake of what happened to Charlie and Charlie's assassination and

1919
01:47:14,960 --> 01:47:17,240
Speaker 1: that these adults are standing in the way is just

1920
01:47:17,400 --> 01:47:20,000
Speaker 1: mind boggling. Now, there was one news article on this

1921
01:47:20,160 --> 01:47:23,240
Speaker 1: I think it's a student newspaper that gave some extra

1922
01:47:23,439 --> 01:47:29,200
Speaker 1: details and said that, by the way, the club it

1923
01:47:29,320 --> 01:47:32,400
Speaker 1: was a student named Gregory Abshire is trying to also

1924
01:47:32,479 --> 01:47:35,000
Speaker 1: start it, and he had said it would be dedicated

1925
01:47:35,080 --> 01:47:39,200
Speaker 1: to promoting the principles of free speech, individual liberty, limited government,

1926
01:47:39,320 --> 01:47:42,720
Speaker 1: free markets within our campus community. Our mission is to

1927
01:47:42,840 --> 01:47:46,040
Speaker 1: foster open dialogue and encourage students from all backgrounds and

1928
01:47:46,120 --> 01:47:51,200
Speaker 1: perspectives to engage in thoughtful, respectful discussions about the ideas

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Speaker 1: that shape society. Like the horrors right well, like so terrible.

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Speaker 7: What they give me and what is wrong with what

1931
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Speaker 7: they what they want to achieve.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's a positive thing.

1933
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Speaker 1: Well, this news article alleged that they were informed by

1934
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Speaker 1: a woman who's a student I think because it's twenty

1935
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Speaker 1: twenty seven graduate and she's the director of the Clubs

1936
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Speaker 1: and Organizations Oversight Committee occurring this article, and allegedly she

1937
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Speaker 1: told them they would not be approved as a club

1938
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Speaker 1: due to the docu series on the National Organization's website

1939
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Speaker 1: called Race War that opposes critical race theory and affirmative action,

1940
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Speaker 1: and that this supposedly contradicted the Bloyit College statement of

1941
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Speaker 1: culture which was ratified by the student body in twenty

1942
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Speaker 1: twenty two, and I looked that up.

1943
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Speaker 2: Apparently that talks about.

1944
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Speaker 1: We recognize that historically, white institutions like Beloit College were

1945
01:48:50,400 --> 01:48:53,719
Speaker 1: created to serve the privileged and to perpetrate white ways

1946
01:48:53,760 --> 01:48:56,920
Speaker 1: of knowing that can inflict violence towards non white members.

1947
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Speaker 2: Also knowledges the.

1948
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Speaker 1: Power structures that a how are privileged communities at the expense.

1949
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Speaker 2: Of marginalized ones.

1950
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Speaker 1: And supposedly this woman told them if they quote, if

1951
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Speaker 1: they still wish to become a club and have a

1952
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Speaker 1: Republican group represented on campus, they can apply to be

1953
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Speaker 1: ratified as long as they're no longer associated with Turing

1954
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Speaker 1: Point USA. If they proceed and apply as a Republican

1955
01:49:20,120 --> 01:49:23,280
Speaker 1: club or something along those lines, they would be under

1956
01:49:23,320 --> 01:49:26,080
Speaker 1: the same sanction as the College Democrats, which is our

1957
01:49:26,200 --> 01:49:28,719
Speaker 1: only politically affiliated club.

1958
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Speaker 7: At the moment.

1959
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Speaker 1: Now, first of all, I'm for diversity on campus. I

1960
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Speaker 1: teach it you w Milwaukee. My views represent my own,

1961
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Speaker 1: not the institution.

1962
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Speaker 2: Where I work. It's just how you get there that's different. Like,

1963
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Speaker 2: I don't think three hundred.

1964
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Speaker 1: Thousand dollars DEI vice chancellors get you there, right? I

1965
01:49:44,240 --> 01:49:48,680
Speaker 1: don't think statements trashing white students get you there, Like

1966
01:49:49,040 --> 01:49:51,640
Speaker 1: I want more diverse voices in campus. I believe it

1967
01:49:51,720 --> 01:49:55,080
Speaker 1: starts in the K twelve institutions, and I believe it starts.

1968
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Speaker 2: In the family.

1969
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Speaker 7: Just that statement that you're read, that craziness about the

1970
01:49:59,120 --> 01:50:02,840
Speaker 7: you know, and privilege in all of this nonsense, these

1971
01:50:02,920 --> 01:50:05,599
Speaker 7: kids actually chose to go to this college. Their parents

1972
01:50:05,640 --> 01:50:09,040
Speaker 7: are actually paying, if not themselves. I came as a

1973
01:50:09,080 --> 01:50:14,200
Speaker 7: first generation, first first generation to college. This never occurred

1974
01:50:14,360 --> 01:50:17,920
Speaker 7: when I was there, this nonsense going on. We just

1975
01:50:17,960 --> 01:50:19,720
Speaker 7: didn't have that kind of time. People were in there

1976
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Speaker 7: to actually learn and debate and actually think critically. And

1977
01:50:23,080 --> 01:50:28,080
Speaker 7: so I'm really just saddened by the way that colleges

1978
01:50:28,320 --> 01:50:33,400
Speaker 7: have slipped so greatly from that lofty point of critical

1979
01:50:33,479 --> 01:50:35,360
Speaker 7: thinking to this is kind of just sloppy.

1980
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Speaker 1: It's it's like the privilege of people sitting around their

1981
01:50:40,479 --> 01:50:42,120
Speaker 1: houses with too much time on their hands.

1982
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Speaker 7: First world problems.

1983
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a first world it's one hundred percent.

1984
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Speaker 1: So I did what no other journalists did, apparently, because

1985
01:50:49,800 --> 01:50:52,280
Speaker 1: no one else has written about this except one.

1986
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Speaker 2: There's one article.

1987
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Speaker 1: And so I'm going to do something to give these

1988
01:50:55,800 --> 01:50:58,720
Speaker 1: students some support, and I wrote Belloyd College and I

1989
01:50:58,880 --> 01:51:01,640
Speaker 1: challenged them. I sent them like fifteen questions, and I

1990
01:51:01,800 --> 01:51:04,040
Speaker 1: said all kinds of things like do you support them

1991
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Speaker 1: having the club? Do you have any authority to overturn

1992
01:51:07,000 --> 01:51:09,200
Speaker 1: this woman who's quoted? You know, does she really have

1993
01:51:09,400 --> 01:51:13,160
Speaker 1: sole authority? Who appointed her? What are you doing to

1994
01:51:13,200 --> 01:51:16,160
Speaker 1: protect these students they're saying they're being called Nazis and threatened? Like,

1995
01:51:16,240 --> 01:51:19,880
Speaker 1: what is Bloy College doing to protect these students? It's like,

1996
01:51:20,000 --> 01:51:22,599
Speaker 1: fifteen questions go on my social media. I posted them.

1997
01:51:22,960 --> 01:51:26,519
Speaker 1: Here's what Beloit College said. I'll put it on social

1998
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Speaker 1: media later. I don't know if I'll be able to

1999
01:51:28,040 --> 01:51:30,800
Speaker 1: read all of it. But as an institution, Bloit College

2000
01:51:30,840 --> 01:51:34,760
Speaker 1: is committed to fostering respectful opening, create encouraging diversity perspectives

2001
01:51:34,800 --> 01:51:37,519
Speaker 1: on campus. Well, that's actually funny to stop here. In

2002
01:51:37,560 --> 01:51:40,880
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, Yeaff brought Eric Prince to campus. They stacked

2003
01:51:40,960 --> 01:51:44,439
Speaker 1: chairs on the stage. Leftist students shouted, bang down drums

2004
01:51:44,520 --> 01:51:49,280
Speaker 1: and enforce the cancelation. So anyway, so much for me? Yeah,

2005
01:51:49,320 --> 01:51:53,320
Speaker 1: so much, so much, Blay College said. Several students express

2006
01:51:53,479 --> 01:51:55,880
Speaker 1: interest in forming a Turning Point club. These students have

2007
01:51:55,960 --> 01:51:58,759
Speaker 1: been directed to follow the process required of all students

2008
01:51:58,760 --> 01:52:01,280
Speaker 1: who wish to start a student club in accordance with

2009
01:52:01,320 --> 01:52:04,120
Speaker 1: standard procedures. The Dean of Students other staff met with

2010
01:52:04,200 --> 01:52:07,240
Speaker 1: the students and explained the procedure of performing a student club.

2011
01:52:07,600 --> 01:52:10,960
Speaker 1: Any students wishing to start a club or responsible. So

2012
01:52:11,560 --> 01:52:13,880
Speaker 1: I wrote back and said, well, what requirements are you

2013
01:52:14,000 --> 01:52:15,880
Speaker 1: saying they need to do or didn't do? And they

2014
01:52:15,920 --> 01:52:19,760
Speaker 1: didn't answer that question. They said, Bloit College is not

2015
01:52:19,920 --> 01:52:22,960
Speaker 1: blocking these students path to club membership. We're in full

2016
01:52:23,000 --> 01:52:27,200
Speaker 1: accordance with campus policies. As for the threats, they said

2017
01:52:27,240 --> 01:52:30,280
Speaker 1: they're taking them seriously, including the recent ones to these

2018
01:52:30,360 --> 01:52:34,559
Speaker 1: TPA students. A recent investigation reports of harassment and threats

2019
01:52:34,600 --> 01:52:37,479
Speaker 1: on social media involved campus security, Bloit Police, and a

2020
01:52:37,560 --> 01:52:40,680
Speaker 1: third party business. The investigation was thorough and there were

2021
01:52:40,760 --> 01:52:43,600
Speaker 1: serious repercussions. The personal is no longer allowed on the

2022
01:52:43,640 --> 01:52:46,599
Speaker 1: Beloit College campus, all right, So they're saying a bunch

2023
01:52:46,680 --> 01:52:49,720
Speaker 1: of like platitudes, like we're trying to say there, so

2024
01:52:49,880 --> 01:52:53,599
Speaker 1: I expect that then that this will be a club.

2025
01:52:54,080 --> 01:52:56,000
Speaker 2: So like we're going to hold them accountable for this, right,

2026
01:52:56,120 --> 01:52:58,160
Speaker 2: Like we're going to go back in a week or whatever.

2027
01:52:58,200 --> 01:52:59,120
Speaker 2: You know, it's okay.

2028
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Speaker 1: Did you get to have your club Joscelyn. By the way,

2029
01:53:01,320 --> 01:53:05,240
Speaker 1: I invited Joscelyn the student on the show and it

2030
01:53:05,400 --> 01:53:08,680
Speaker 1: was sort of weird. But Turning Point blocks students from

2031
01:53:08,720 --> 01:53:09,160
Speaker 1: talking to.

2032
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Speaker 2: The media a lot.

2033
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Speaker 7: Wow.

2034
01:53:10,479 --> 01:53:12,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, they did it at u W Mowawkie as well,

2035
01:53:12,760 --> 01:53:15,120
Speaker 1: They've done it other institution. I think that it's it's

2036
01:53:15,280 --> 01:53:18,280
Speaker 1: a mistake because I think these youth like Joscelyn and

2037
01:53:18,360 --> 01:53:22,120
Speaker 1: Jenna and Jacob everything Katie. I think they're great ambassadors

2038
01:53:22,200 --> 01:53:25,599
Speaker 1: for Turning Point and for the conservative.

2039
01:53:26,080 --> 01:53:28,120
Speaker 7: As well as just being able to tell their story.

2040
01:53:28,439 --> 01:53:32,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, well I'm out of time, got to go. Well,

2041
01:53:32,560 --> 01:53:34,680
Speaker 1: actually I think I might have one minute here, so

2042
01:53:35,120 --> 01:53:37,280
Speaker 1: will I thank you for coming.

2043
01:53:37,080 --> 01:53:39,320
Speaker 7: On, Thank you for having me. This has been incredible.

2044
01:53:39,640 --> 01:53:41,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to give you the final words, So

2045
01:53:41,479 --> 01:53:44,599
Speaker 1: you've got about fifty seconds. I'm gonna let you kind

2046
01:53:44,640 --> 01:53:48,400
Speaker 1: of give your final take here on just your philosophy

2047
01:53:48,439 --> 01:53:51,280
Speaker 1: and why you're running and anything common sense.

2048
01:53:51,600 --> 01:53:54,280
Speaker 7: Want to work for the people, save them their money

2049
01:53:54,360 --> 01:53:57,480
Speaker 7: and let them get back more freedom, opportunity and prosperity

2050
01:53:57,800 --> 01:54:00,920
Speaker 7: right now, right here, and I will just tell you

2051
01:54:01,040 --> 01:54:05,760
Speaker 7: go visit vote will Martin vote, will Martin dot com vote,

2052
01:54:05,800 --> 01:54:06,559
Speaker 7: will Martin do com?

2053
01:54:06,680 --> 01:54:08,920
Speaker 2: And your final word. You have about ten seconds on

2054
01:54:09,040 --> 01:54:09,799
Speaker 2: Bloy College.

2055
01:54:09,960 --> 01:54:12,679
Speaker 7: Yeah boy college should do better, as she said, should

2056
01:54:12,800 --> 01:54:14,799
Speaker 7: just do better. This is absolutely ridiculous.

2057
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Speaker 2: So we're gonna expect that they will not. So they

2058
01:54:16,720 --> 01:54:19,000
Speaker 2: said this stuff, you're going to have to live up

2059
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Speaker 2: to it, all right. Thanks everyone for listening. I've enjoyed it.

2060
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Speaker 2: Hope you all have a really good evenings. Just come

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Speaker 2: McBride