1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Mecca, Fitzpatrick Tate turned out to be crap. Minca went 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: to Miami and played, you know, pretty good. Ramsey came 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: here and played good for a while and absolutely ran 4 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: out of gas. And John Whu Smith was a bust, 5 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:18,119 Speaker 1: either through inferior deployment or he just ain't that good. 6 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: Josina Anderson, who is deconduit to all things accurate in 7 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: the NFL except when she's not, She says, Mike Tom 8 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: will prefer to coach in a warm weather environment should 9 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 1: he choose to keep coaching Miami. By the way, I 10 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: hire Mike McDaniel here too, but they won't. 11 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 2: Tom. Here's we're gonna talk about. 12 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: Tom was biggest failures because his biggest successes are easy 13 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, making the other super Bowl. But I 14 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: think the big thing now that he's out is not 15 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 1: just a matter who they hire his head coach. They 16 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: have to modernize the franchise. They have to move forward 17 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: and put offense first. Realize that the name of the 18 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: game in this league, that the rotter success is not 19 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 1: getting a lead in managing it. The rules have effectively 20 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: killed that. They have got to score more and faster 21 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: like the rest of the league, and that's difficult without 22 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: drafting a quarterback or trading for a quarterback, you know, 23 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: getting that franchise guy. But then they better go forour 24 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: in thirteen and all the yocals out there, you idiots, 25 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: you need to understand that foreign thirteen or five and 26 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 1: twelve in one or both of the next couple of 27 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: years could be what saves the friggin' day. So that's 28 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: what they needed to need to move forward in approach, 29 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: and they need to get a bigger, better staff, and 30 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: they need to whoever the coaches. He can't be like Tomlin, 31 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: who clearly didn't want people on his staff that would 32 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: challenge him in football knowledge and ran off guys like 33 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: Dick Lebow and Bruce Arians. 34 00:01:58,680 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, no question about it. 35 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 4: To be able to pay those guys too, because those 36 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 4: coordinators get expensive. They deserve more money. So you're gonna 37 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 4: have to be willing to let your new head coach 38 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 4: pay a little bit more for the coordinators. 39 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 2: That he wants. 40 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 4: You're talking about that shift in philosophy, and you've got 41 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 4: to become more offensive and modernize this team. I'm obviously 42 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 4: right there with you. And then you said that's harder 43 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 4: to do when you don't necessarily have the quarterback in 44 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 4: your back pocket, which they don't. But getting a guy 45 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 4: like that as the coach mark, the offensive minded guy 46 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 4: that builds the offensive staff and brings this team into 47 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 4: the modern day of football, that's conducive to finding. 48 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 3: That next quarterback. 49 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 4: He's gonna be able to identify him a lot more 50 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 4: than you know these defensive dinosaur type of coaches, and 51 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 4: when he picks them, he's gonna be able to develop them. 52 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 2: And that's the biggest key. No, it's gonna be funny. 53 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: I bet they do now have a few really rough 54 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: seasons because they're gonna have to wing it a quarterback 55 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 1: for at least a year because Rogers will not be back. 56 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: I think Cam might retire. I don't think he's going 57 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: to come back to slog through a team with no hope. 58 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: I bet what might want O. The problem there is 59 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 1: nobody's gonna take him at that contract. I think you're 60 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: gonna see some veterans leave without Tom Win here, not 61 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 1: because they were so attached to him, but because they 62 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,959 Speaker 1: will not see a chance of getting in the playoffs. 63 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: They well, I mean, anybody can make the playoffs. They 64 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: will look at it as a rebuilding situation, and I 65 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: think a lot of veterans will want no part of that. 66 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:21,399 Speaker 1: And that's okay, Cyonara. 67 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 4: You don't see it as them maybe hiring a new 68 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 4: head coach and then using some of their draft capital 69 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 4: to move up in this class and take a swing 70 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 4: at one of these quarterbacks. It's a weak class and 71 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 4: you're not gonna get Mendoza because the Raiders are just 72 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 4: gonna pick him number one overall. 73 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: So it's just stupid enough that they might try it. Now, 74 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: let's go over Tom Win's biggest failures. I think the 75 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: one that got him in this jackpot was drafting Kenny 76 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: pick Yeah, that's number one. He was the only guy 77 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: in the building and the only guy in the league 78 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: that thought Kenny Pickott was a first round pick. 79 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, and in a weird way, that probably was. 80 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 4: You know, I don't want to say the final nail 81 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 4: in his coffin, but a pretty substantial nail. 82 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: And it trickled down years later because it cost the franchise. 83 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: Remember I said when they drafted him would cost this 84 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: team five years. 85 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 3: It's going to cost him more, no doubt about. 86 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 2: It set him back almost a decade. 87 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 4: That's what happens when you pick a bust of a 88 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 4: first round quarterback, especially when you pick a bust of 89 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 4: a first round quarterback that no one would even take 90 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 4: and has been on three teams? 91 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 3: Is it four? 92 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 4: It's four teams since before his rookie contract expires. 93 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 3: I'm losing track of teams. 94 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,039 Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Eagles, Browns, and Raiders. 95 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: My god, Kenny, if you're listening, this is all your faults, 96 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 1: all your fault. We talked about the trade with Minka. 97 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: That was something that I think hurt the team this year. 98 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 1: That looked like a great trade. I mean, it's their 99 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 1: lack of using John Neu or either that or he 100 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: came here and was really bad. 101 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 2: But again, that's Aaron Rodgers. 102 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: Arthur Smith didn't bring in his tight end from two 103 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 1: teams past because and then give up on him. 104 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 4: And then just completely ignore Pat Fryermuth too. As far 105 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 4: as the offensive game plan. 106 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 2: Is, that was Rogers. 107 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: But that was Tomlin and Arthur Smith for that matter, 108 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: letting Rogers do that. Here's a weird one. I think 109 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: Tom I'm gonna let Ben play too long, and I'm 110 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: a Ben guy. I hope he's not listening and he 111 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: got he squeaked into the playoffs his last year too. 112 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 1: The old Cowboy got one more run at the postseason, 113 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: but that dug the hole deeper. Yeah, it did. Although 114 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 1: and Ben not letting them draft a quarterback to replace him. 115 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: I mean, they drafted Rudolph, but he crapped all over 116 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: it and that bullied them and did not you know, 117 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: doing it again. 118 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 4: You want to talk about a butterfly effect to Mark, 119 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,359 Speaker 4: If coach Tomlin doesn't let Ben play as long as 120 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 4: he did, then you're not in the draft class in 121 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 4: the market for a quarterback in twenty twenty two. When 122 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 4: you pick Kenny Pickett, you picked that quarterback in a 123 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 4: draft class earlier. And I think any quarterback you could 124 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 4: throw a dart at a board and you'd pick a 125 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 4: quarterback in an earlier draft class. 126 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 2: It's better than picking see. 127 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: I think they should have given Mason a run as 128 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 1: the starter a few years. I think when he stepped 129 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: in and got the team into the playoffs a couple 130 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: of years back, I think that should have motivated them 131 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: to give him a fair shot. I don't think Rudolph 132 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: ever got a fair shot. Now he's getting back up 133 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 1: quarterback money, which is more than you and me make combined. 134 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 1: But nonetheless, I feel like he's been a bit a 135 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 1: bit hard done. 136 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 4: By, especially the twenty nineteen season, and that's gonna be 137 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 4: on the list too if Tom will mistakes right, is 138 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 4: sticking with Duck Hodges as long as he did when 139 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 4: Mason Rudolph returned from concussion protocol and he was healthy 140 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 4: and he was like, I'm just gonna ride the hot hand. 141 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 4: That was be us and Mason Rudolf was such a 142 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 4: better quarterback than and Rudolf was really bad back then. 143 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: Every single person who's ever taken a snap in the 144 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: NFL is better than Duck gog is now. As far 145 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: as suitcase pimps, they don't come any better. Tom Win also, 146 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: and we talked about this a moment. Ago puts emphasis 147 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: on defense at a time when it just, I mean, 148 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: it matters. 149 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 2: It's not inconsequential. 150 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 1: But the name of the game in the league is 151 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: to score more points and faster exactly. 152 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 4: And that's why I need to see an offensive minded 153 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:49,359 Speaker 4: coach be the higher here. It needs to be somebody 154 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 4: who gets that and wants to score and score some more. 155 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 4: That's the way you have to go in the NFL. 156 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 4: Look at all the sixcess. 157 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: A quarterback to do that, But you can develop the 158 00:06:58,000 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: approach in advance of getting one. 159 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 4: Yes, But like I look around the league right now 160 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 4: and all these teams with successful coaches. Like you see 161 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,679 Speaker 4: bow Nicks in the Broncos because they got Sean Payton, 162 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 4: a great offensive mind. You look at the Bears with 163 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 4: Ben Johnson, great offensive mind. Seattle has a defensive minded 164 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 4: head coach, but they have good coordinators around him. Patriots 165 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 4: have one of the best offensive coordinators and Josh McDaniels 166 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 4: to make up for that. Like, you need good offensive 167 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 4: minds in the building. And if you're a defensive mind 168 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 4: head coach, you better be willing to hire and listen 169 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 4: to guys beneath you. And Mike Tomlin never did that. 170 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: And Arthur Smith, I don't know if he's you know, Oppenheimer, 171 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: like jokingly call him. I don't know if he's a genius. 172 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: But he never had a chance what Rogers got here. 173 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: This offense got hijacked. At the end of the day, 174 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: Rogers hurt more than he helped. This is a small thing, 175 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: but Tomin was awful on replay challenges, and I've always 176 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: been told that he just looked at the scoreboard and 177 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: played a hunch, which is just prehistoric. 178 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 3: So prehistoric. And it goes back to what you were saying. 179 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 4: When they need to change their philosophy as an organization, 180 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 4: they need to expand their staff. 181 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 3: There should be like five guys looking at. 182 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 4: Monitors somewhere in that building and like all of them 183 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 4: buzzing into Tomlin, like deciding, we voted five to a 184 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 4: man that you need to challenge this. It should be 185 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 4: completely out of the coach's hands. That's what the Penguins 186 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 4: do so well, right, It's completely out of the coach's hands, 187 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 4: no question. 188 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: They just they get him almost all right. And he 189 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: hired he had hired bad staff. He you know, the 190 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: payroll is the lowest in the league for the staff 191 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: that's on on the owner. 192 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 2: But he has no coaching tree. 193 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: I don't think coaching tree is a be all and 194 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: end all, but it's not nothing either, tom And again, 195 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: he ran Lebau out of town. And let's even say 196 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: coach Lebau was at the end of his prime and 197 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: some of his stuff was outdated, like the zone blitz 198 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: kind of got figured out so that one I wouldn't 199 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: have done it. But there's like forty nine percent of 200 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: me kind of gets it right. Running BA out of 201 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: town was unforgivable. He's one of the best offensive minds. 202 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: He went to Tampa Bay and won a Super Bowl, 203 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: won two time Coach of the Year at Indy right 204 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: after he left Pittsburgh and to top it all off, 205 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: the BS Factory, that is the Steelers said he retired. 206 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 2: He was like back coaching like like three weeks later. 207 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 4: And you know, all these coaches they kind of get 208 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 4: this like this, they get dubbed the quarterback guru, right like, oh, 209 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 4: he's a quarterback whisper. 210 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 3: He whispers to the quarterback. 211 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 4: Arians was like the quarterback caretaker, like he had Ben, 212 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 4: and he maximized him. Brady got maximized in his later 213 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 4: years about Ba though. 214 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: His play calling and what he insisted on would put 215 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: quarterbacks at risk to make plays because you know BA, 216 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 1: That's why he got the phrase no risk, no biscuit. 217 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if he invented it, but he certainly 218 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: uses it a lot. But but that's okay. You see, 219 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: I would have rather been one more and sorry Ben, 220 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: if you're listening, but I'd rather he won more and 221 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: get his block knocked off more. Because you're there to win, 222 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: not preserve a lengthy career. 223 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 3: And Brady knew that. 224 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 4: When he was in his forties, he embraced not to 225 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 4: the degree that they were doing in Pittsburgh with Ben, 226 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 4: but he embraced some of those tenants in Ba's offense 227 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 4: that I'm gonna have to get hit to make some 228 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 4: big plays down. 229 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: Brady also got rid of the ball like it was 230 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: on fire under as Rogers, that's true. If you're an 231 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 1: old guy, don't want to get hit. I see old 232 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: guys walking on the street. They don't want get hit. 233 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 4: Robert, You've said so many times Rogers has wanted to 234 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 4: be Brady so badly. 235 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 3: Brady was so. 236 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 4: Much better at his age forty seasons. I mean, his 237 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 4: half a decade playing in his forties was way better 238 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 4: than r Brady was so much better period. 239 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 5: Uh. 240 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: You get your calls in now if you're just tuning in. 241 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin has stepped down as the Pittsburg Stillers coach. 242 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: We want your reaction. We want to know what kind 243 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: of coach you think they should get, whether it's an 244 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 1: up and coming assistant, an established NFL name, or a 245 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: college coach. You want to suggest some names far away. 246 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: But keep in mind that this ain't a plump job. 247 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: It is from the standpoint the coach don't get fired 248 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 1: real quick, as we've seen over the last million years. 249 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 2: But I don't know. 250 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: It's going to be a funny type of hire because 251 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: this is the first time Art the second's done it. 252 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: And I gotta bet it's going to be a college 253 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: no no, no, no, a up and coming assistant. He's 254 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:06,079 Speaker 1: gonna do what Dad and granddad did now to be fair, well, 255 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: you know what, let's condot granddad. 256 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 2: He was a puppet by the time. 257 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: Even like Art Art Junior and Dan Rooney hard mister Knowle. 258 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: Actually he always at the times I met him, he 259 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: always wanted me to call him Chuck, so they heard chuck. 260 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 2: But uh, I don't know. 261 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: I'm I'm just all over the place, So call in 262 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: and help me out. 263 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 2: No, don't do whatever you want. Eight three three, four 264 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 2: one two w XDX. 265 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 6: It's the Woody showed mornings at six. 266 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:34,719 Speaker 2: Pretty cool. 267 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 3: It's a super cool the X. At one nine I 268 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:39,839 Speaker 3: heard radio. 269 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 6: Alter you go to type of press. 270 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 2: Not gonna make us play a wild game. It's not fair, 271 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 2: it's not far, it's not fair. The X at one 272 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 2: five nine, Just tuning in. 273 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin has resigned as Steelers coach. Arn't the second 274 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: just put out a statement, but nothing new to be 275 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: divined from that. Just thanks for your passion, blah blah blah, 276 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,839 Speaker 1: I mean heartfelt, But who cares. We got Mike de 277 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: Courcion at the bottom of the hour. He's a tom 278 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: Win guy, very courious to see his reaction. Uh, you 279 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: can call him now for calls on the fifteens eight three, three, 280 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: four one two WSDX. The questions we're mooting are what 281 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: kind of coach should they get to replace Tomlin? And 282 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: I think it's important that they rebuild the whole organization 283 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: and emphasize the approach to football. You know, it's an 284 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: offensive league. It's about scoring more and faster. Now, in 285 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: this turnover, this coaching change, they have a chance to 286 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:38,839 Speaker 1: indulge that finally. 287 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:40,959 Speaker 2: And you got to do it. If you bring in a. 288 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 1: Guy who's like minded defense first to do the same 289 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: old thing, then you might as well have tried to 290 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: talk Tomlin into staying, although again I think he was 291 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: pushed at least as much as he jumped. Let's go 292 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: to Joe, Joe, your order Mark Madden Show, Hi, Mark. 293 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 7: Hey, I just wanted to say so, I think right 294 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 7: now in Pittsburgh there's gonna be a season of new 295 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 7: hope and optimism for the Pittsburgh Steelers. And I think 296 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 7: it's really stupid because you know, ultimately, the Rooney family 297 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 7: still owns this thing, and for the past five or 298 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 7: ten years, this hasn't been Mike Tomlin's fault. 299 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 2: Sea. It's absolutely been Mike Tomlin's fault. 300 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: If you want to blame the Rooneys for letting a 301 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: guy in charge who was pasted it, who didn't get it, 302 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: who didn't understand what the league had become, and emphasize 303 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: the wrong things, and was so megalomaniacal that he drafted 304 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: a quarterback in the first round that nobody else in 305 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: the building or league thought was worthy to go in 306 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: the first round. If you want to blame the Rooneyes 307 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,559 Speaker 1: for that, really, I mean, if they left him in 308 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: charge too long, that was their fault. 309 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 2: Let's go to OJ or DJ or BJ. Who is this. 310 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 8: BJ from Baldwin? 311 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 2: What's up? 312 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 6: Hey, double m big fan, big Fand. 313 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 8: I just wanted to say my pick for Steelers next 314 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 8: head coach. 315 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,079 Speaker 1: Okay, We're gonna cut you off because you're about to 316 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: say something really stupid. I can read ass hats from 317 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: them all away. 318 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 2: Let's go to j J. You're on with Mark. 319 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 6: Hey, how you doing Mark? What up? Man? Yeah? Listen, 320 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 6: I want to predict the next coach, and I'm being serious. 321 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 6: I think Flora would be the next Brian Flores will 322 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 6: be the next coach Steelers. 323 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not dismissing that because he has a brief 324 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: history here when he was a defensive assistant while he 325 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: was suing the league and Tomin wanted to make sure 326 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: he had a job. But what would make you think 327 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: he's a good choice. He was head coach in Miami 328 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: and failed there miserably. He's a coordinator. That's That's one 329 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: thing the Steelers have to be careful with, and really 330 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: every NFL team should be more careful with. Some guys 331 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: are just coordinators. It took the league years to figure 332 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: out that Josh McDaniels is one of the best offensive 333 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: coordinators ever. 334 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 2: But he's just that. 335 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: And now he's doing that and still good at it. 336 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: So I probably would not lean toward Flores. Let's go 337 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: to Fisher. Fisher, you're on with Mark. 338 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 6: Hey, Mark, how's the going Listen. I've been a Steelers 339 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 6: fan my whole life. I'm twenty three years old. This 340 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 6: is my first time witnessing a new coach. I was 341 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 6: in first grade when we last won that. 342 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 2: Let's go to Scooch and hope. Well, Scoot, you're on 343 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 2: with Mark? 344 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 6: What up? Man? What up? 345 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 8: I think tommins legacy will be fifteen years since the 346 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 8: Green Bay Super Bowl three playoff wins, getting absolutely curb 347 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 8: stomped in seven straight games, wasting the Killer Bees offensive talent. 348 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 8: I think he stayed way too long and has now 349 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 8: become a villain. And I don't think the national media 350 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 8: will always glaze him, but local Pittsburgh Steelers fans that 351 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 8: are true fans of the organization will always see him 352 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 8: in a negative light because of this past ten years 353 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 8: of ineptitude. 354 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: Well, no, I think thank you for the call, Scoot. 355 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: I think he'll be seen in a positive light because 356 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: of the Super Bowl, but that will be in Negate bye. 357 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: By the numbers you cited, having been as you so 358 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: quaintly put, a curb stomped in seven straight playoff games 359 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: and past that, uh, losing nine times in the first 360 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: round of the playoffs being one and done as many 361 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: times as Marty Schottenheimer, who we used to make fun 362 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: of here in Pittsburgh. So it certainly is a mixed bag, 363 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: but it's more mixed than than Tomlin disciples would ever admit. 364 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 2: Speaking of which, up next, we got Mike. 365 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: The Course Heat the Sporting News one oh five to nine. 366 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 5: Tonight's the Pens Face the Lightning. Game time is seven. 367 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 5: Our coverage starts at six here every game, and the 368 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 5: best coverage right here on your Home of the Pens 369 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 5: five nine d X. 370 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 2: This is Chris Bruce Ard. 371 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 9: Here's what's trending from the iHeart Sports Networks discover Mike 372 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 9: Tomlin is stepping down as the Steelers head coach, NFL 373 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 9: Network reports. Tomlin told the team during a meeting today 374 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 9: he's coached this last game. Tenguin's defenseman Eric Carlson he's 375 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 9: expected to miss at least two weeks. He's got a 376 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 9: lower body injury. Pittsburgh, said the host of Tampa Bay 377 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 9: that's tonight. And Notre Dame football coach Marcus Freeman won't 378 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 9: face charges for an alleged battery at his son's high 379 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 9: school wrestling match this month. 380 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 2: I'm Scott Davidson. 381 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 3: Guess what discovers accepted at ninety nine percent of place 382 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 3: is to take credit cards nationwide. You heard right, ninety 383 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 3: nine percent. If you don't think so, maybe super genius 384 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 3: Mark Madden. 385 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: They're gonna nail us no matter what we do, so 386 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: we might as well have a good time. 387 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 2: Told, got cold, got t exit one oh five nine 388 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 2: if for just tuning in. Mike Tomwin is out as 389 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 2: Steelers coach. 390 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 1: He stepped down in a meeting with his players earlier today, 391 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: and the club has issued a statement joining me not 392 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: to discuss from the Sporting News. He's Pittsburgh's own Mike 393 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: de Corsi. Mike, you're a Tomlin guy. I'm relatively certain 394 00:17:58,040 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 1: you don't like this, so tell me why not. 395 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 6: Well, I will say that as I was examining the 396 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 6: state of the team over the course of the last 397 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 6: few weeks and what might be possible in terms of 398 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 6: carrying it into next season, I thought that this was 399 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 6: going to be a very difficult challenge, a difficult circumstance, 400 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 6: because Rogers probably wouldn't play another year. If he did, 401 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 6: he certainly has limitations. And you can say, well, we're 402 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 6: going to go out and get the next quarterback of 403 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 6: the future, but in the draft. But now you don't 404 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 6: have necessarily an experienced coach who's been through a lot 405 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 6: of different quarterbacks and had success with a lot of 406 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 6: different quarterbacks. Whether it's the high level success that Pittsburgh 407 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 6: would love to see, obviously it hasn't been. But he 408 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 6: has been able to win with several different quarterbacks. And yeah, 409 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 6: but no, well, like I said, I said, it's not 410 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 6: thisctact their success that Pittsburgh would like to see. But 411 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 6: I don't think that any of the of the interims 412 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 6: at that position have been truly capable of carrying them 413 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 6: to that. Oh absolutely, I think Aaron Rodgers still threw 414 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 6: the ball and processed well enough to win games, but 415 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 6: the lack of mobility is just impossible to overcome. 416 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 2: And he hijacked the offense. 417 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: I'm getting off topic here, but you know, he froze 418 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 1: out Friarmouth and tried to make cast offs in the stars. 419 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: It just became too much about his narrative. But anyway, 420 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 1: let's get back to Tomlin. 421 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 6: Sure, and so that now you go into the future 422 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 6: with who knows who it head coach, and then you 423 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 6: also look at the idea of who knows who at quarterback. 424 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 6: Those are two pretty important positions to be uncertain about 425 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 6: at a time when people are disappointed or angry about 426 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,360 Speaker 6: not winning playoff games. I think not playing in playoff 427 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 6: games becomes a much greater likelihood in the near future. 428 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: Don't you think that a four and thirteen or five 429 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 1: and twelve seasons exactly what this team needs? Maybe a couple, No, really, 430 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: I believe in that. Well, then how are they going 431 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 1: to get the quarterback? 432 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 6: Mike? Well, first of all, if you'll recall, like, who's 433 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 6: the best quarterback in the NFL, Pat Patrick Mahomes. He 434 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 6: was selected with the tenth pick in the NFL Draft 435 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 6: by the team. 436 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 2: By the way, yeah, Mike Tomlin took Kenny Pickett with. 437 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 6: The twentieth pick in the NFL draft. The point I 438 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 6: was going to make about Mahomes is that he was 439 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 6: selected by a team that had gone eleven and five 440 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 6: and lost in the second round of the playoffs. So 441 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 6: it was the most recent Steelers victory in the playoffs 442 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 6: that Kansas City team did not need to lose big. 443 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 6: They traded from wherever they landed in the draft, probably 444 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 6: the same range as Steelers are now and they moved 445 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:56,400 Speaker 6: up to tenth and they saw in Mahomes a special 446 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:00,239 Speaker 6: talent that others missed, and they got it right. And 447 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 6: then they developed him perfectly because they had a quarterback 448 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 6: they could use to keep Malmes on the bench for 449 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 6: a year while he learned and got ready, and then 450 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 6: he started against his second game, I think it was 451 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 6: against the Steelers, and he was dazzling that year. And 452 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,880 Speaker 6: everything that has come since has has been great for them. 453 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 6: So I don't think you have to be terrible to 454 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 6: get good. I think that is a common belief in sports. 455 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,479 Speaker 6: But in reality is most of the terrible teams stay terrible. 456 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:29,679 Speaker 6: They keep picking at the top of the draft, the 457 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 6: Browns and the Jets and the Raiders, etc. And they 458 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 6: stay terrible no matter how many times they do it. 459 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 2: No, that's fair enough. 460 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 1: But the Steelers, you know, in this one of ten 461 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,120 Speaker 1: and seven, nine and eight seasons, have just not picked 462 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: the right guys. And Tomlin is a big. 463 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 2: Part of that. 464 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: Like I said, the picket pick, nobody but Tomlin in 465 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:49,719 Speaker 1: the building one to make that pick. I know that 466 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: for sure, and no one else in the league would 467 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: have not in the first round and the Broderick Jones pick. 468 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: I mean it just he had his fingers in too 469 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: many pies, I think, And you know, confirmer I, Mike, 470 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: your opinion was he too megalamaniacal with roster composition and 471 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: being the shadow defensive coordinator, he wanted to do everything well. 472 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 6: I think that. I think his biggest problem as a coach, 473 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 6: and I've conceded this for a long time, his biggest 474 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 6: problem as a coach is a what I I will 475 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 6: first say what the problem is. The problem was his 476 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 6: selection of assistant coaches, particularly the ones who are most 477 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 6: prominent the coordinator positions. My belief is not because I 478 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 6: know him well enough to assert this, but because I've 479 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 6: seen it in other sports that I've covered very closely. 480 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:44,360 Speaker 6: Is a general insecurity about I don't necessarily want that 481 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 6: person to get all the attention and credit. 482 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 2: I don't know that he ran Bruce Arians out of town. 483 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I think that the Arians thing was a 484 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 6: was it more of a an organizational thing because of 485 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 6: the way the offense played was getting Ben sacked fifty 486 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 6: sometimes a year. And I never thought Arians was a 487 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 6: great oc either. He became a very fine head coach 488 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,360 Speaker 6: and obviously won a Super Bowl, but I didn't ever 489 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 6: think he was a great offensive coordinator. Look back to 490 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 6: two thousand and eight and they're winning eleven to ten, 491 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 6: and did Santonio Holmes get over the line? And you 492 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 6: need a last second pick six by Dshay Townsend to 493 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 6: make sure you don't lose to the Cowboys and all 494 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 6: kinds of stuff like that. That was not a great offense. 495 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 6: They should have dominated what was a pretty well by 496 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 6: the Super Bowl standards, a pretty average Arizona defense and didn't. 497 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 6: And here I go getting off on the same tangent, 498 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 6: but they should have been much more dominant in that 499 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,719 Speaker 6: game than they were, and they shouldn't have needed the 500 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 6: miracle at the end or the fabulous drive at the 501 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 6: end and the miracle at halftime. I mean, they should 502 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 6: have done much better. And so I didn't have necessarily 503 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 6: a problem with removing arians and I didn't necessarily have 504 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 6: a problem with Todd Hayley's ability. 505 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 2: No, no, actually, Mike Todd did. 506 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 1: Okay, Mike, it was just everybody since then it seemed like, 507 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,439 Speaker 1: you know, it just got weaker and weaker, and not 508 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: just at OC, but with all of the coaching highs. 509 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,919 Speaker 1: We're talking to Mike the course of the Sporting News 510 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: brought to us by South Hills Kia. South Hilds Kia 511 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 1: has the ride in a price your love? Uh, what's 512 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,199 Speaker 1: your hunch? Because we don't really know. Did Tomlin jumper? 513 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: Was he pushed a bit? 514 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 6: I would say, and this is just let me let 515 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 6: me put it this way. It would not surprise me 516 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 6: if when Tomlin met with with Art the Second Today 517 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 6: that Art the Second Today said we got to change 518 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 6: some stuff, and Mike said, and maybe even said, we 519 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 6: got to change some stuff, and we're going to have 520 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 6: a lot more input in the changes than we did 521 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 6: last time. And maybe Mike said, we're not doing that. 522 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: And that's pretty much what I surmised earlier in the show. 523 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: Mike so great minds, et cetera, et cetera. 524 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,120 Speaker 6: Yeah, I thought that was coming, and honestly I thought 525 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 6: that it would have been fair to do that after 526 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 6: after the last OC change when when the vacancy was there. 527 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 6: I said at the time on Twitter, I said, I look, 528 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,679 Speaker 6: you know, I respect Mike and I believe in what 529 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 6: he's great at. But I I would have I would 530 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,640 Speaker 6: have at that point said, uh, here, here, here's what's 531 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 6: going to happen. We're going to hire a new OC, 532 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,919 Speaker 6: and we in the in the front office are going 533 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 6: to find the people that we like. We're going to 534 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 6: interview them. You'll be involved in the interviews, and then 535 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 6: when we come up with who we think it should be, 536 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 6: you can take him to dinner and say whether you 537 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 6: can work with him, and you get one rejection if 538 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 6: if you decide that you don't like the first one, 539 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 6: the second one you're sticking with. So that would that 540 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 6: would have been how I handled it. And if he 541 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 6: said no at that point, he would have been gone 542 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 6: then by his choice. And I think that's a reasonable approach, 543 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 6: because he had shown he had shown a very great 544 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 6: strength in making the best out of what he had, 545 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 6: but not a great strength in identifying those who could 546 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 6: help him make it even better. 547 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, it should be noted that if he did make 548 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: the best out of what he had, he's the guy 549 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: who was most responsible for assembling what he had. What 550 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,120 Speaker 1: kind of coach do you think arn't the second will 551 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: pursue Mike Will It be an up and coming assistant 552 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: like the Steelers usually do, as with Noel Kaher and 553 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin, an established NFL head coach, a college coach. 554 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 6: What's your hunch, Well, you know, I think it's I 555 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 6: think if you look at it, the Steelers' way has 556 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,919 Speaker 6: worked three times in a row to great success. But 557 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 6: this is this is a perilous time to go in 558 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:41,439 Speaker 6: that direction because that's the market that has been most overfarmed, 559 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 6: so to speak. If you look around at what has 560 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 6: has been the coaches that have been brought in by 561 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 6: other programs, by other franchises to be their head coaches, 562 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 6: what like. 563 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 2: The assistant, the assistant type thing, the. 564 00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 6: Hot assistant, the young genius that's been what almost everyone 565 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 6: has done. And and honestly, the greatest successes have been 566 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 6: the ones that have recycled. If you look in Denver 567 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 6: and New England in particular, they're the ones that have 568 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 6: had the great success with the recycled coaches. But I 569 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 6: don't see, I mean, other than Harbaugh, and I'm not 570 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 6: sure that's the direction that you would go. I haven't 571 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 6: seen anyone among the available. 572 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 2: What about. 573 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, why would I want him? Why would I want 574 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,400 Speaker 6: him even for a second. 575 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 2: Two time two time coaches? 576 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: And his ownership killed him with the ownership's quarterback decisions. 577 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, the the decision that was made there was terrible. 578 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 6: But I don't know what he contributed to the Baker 579 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 6: Mayfield out decision. 580 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 2: I don't know. 581 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 6: I don't know how hard he fought to keep him there. Look, 582 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 6: he's not incompetent, but I don't see that as an 583 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 6: answer to hire somebody who has lost as many games 584 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 6: as he's lost. That doesn't look like an obvious answer 585 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:04,679 Speaker 6: to me. 586 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: What about Chris Shula, that's the name that people are 587 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: already throwing around, thirty nine years old, grandson of Don Shula, 588 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: Los Angeles Rams defensive coordinator. I mean, I have no idea, 589 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,679 Speaker 1: not gonna lie, but he does kind of fit that 590 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,120 Speaker 1: mold that they've used in the past. 591 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 6: And the Rams have a pretty poor defense this year, 592 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 6: So I don't other than the name Shula and Mike 593 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 6: Shula was not a spectacular success at any level of coaching. 594 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 6: Dave Shuler was not a spectacular success at any level. 595 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 6: So I'm not Does the talent skip a generation? Is 596 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 6: that what we're surmising here? 597 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 9: Oh? 598 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 2: It often does? 599 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: What about I mean, these are pie in the sky, 600 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: But I brought up Signetti or Marcus Freeman earlier. I 601 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: can't imagine either would want to come to Pittsburgh, and 602 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: I'll be blunting Mike. I don't think the Steeler's job 603 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: is a plumb job, aside from the history of not 604 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: firing the coach. 605 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 6: Well, the problem with it is that the expectations are 606 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 6: so grand, and so if you feel like you're walking 607 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 6: into a great situation terrific. Now, when Coward took the job, 608 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 6: first of all, he was a Pittsburgh person, and he 609 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 6: was young and getting the opportunity to climb the head 610 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 6: coach pretty quickly, so it was an ob and the 611 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 6: same was pretty much true for Mike. But Mike had 612 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 6: Roethlisberger already there. Bill did not walk into that. Bill 613 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 6: walked into a situation where things weren't great. Uh, and 614 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 6: they hadn't been terrific for a couple of years. They 615 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 6: had the nice eighty nine season. I think it was 616 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 6: that that they won the Merrill Hodge playoff game. I 617 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 6: think that was eighty nine, but they hadn't played that 618 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 6: great subsequent to that, and so there was so you 619 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 6: were picking it up at a fairly low ebb, whereas 620 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 6: this like it's like I said, I mean, this is 621 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 6: whatever you say about ten and seven ten and seven 622 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 6: ten and seven. That's that's a pretty good record in 623 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 6: the NFL. How do you make that better if you 624 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 6: don't know who the quarterback is going to be until 625 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 6: probably months into your tenure. So it's a less appealing 626 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 6: position as a result of that. 627 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, but again he drafted Pickett. 628 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: If his nest was filed, Mike Tomlin was the guy 629 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 1: who did it. What do the Steelers got to do 630 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: to move forward as an organization besides the coaching hire, 631 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: because if it's me, I insist the new coach emphasizes 632 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: offense because that's how the league is. I want to 633 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 1: spend more money, which is not a Rooney trait, but 634 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: I'd want to staff it's bigger and better. What changes 635 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 1: should be made along with bringing in a new coach. 636 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 6: I do think that's one thing that can happen as 637 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 6: a result of this that could be a positive, and 638 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 6: that is deepening the hiring in terms of more coaches, 639 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 6: more analysts, that sort of thing that I don't know 640 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 6: that I necessarily believe you have to be an offensive coach. 641 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 6: To me, if you're a defense first coach who knows 642 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 6: a great offensive coordinator, it can work just as well. 643 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 6: I mean if Mike Tomlin had high ed one of 644 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 6: the really truly outstanding offensive coordinators. This could have been 645 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 6: a little better, I don't. I still don't think it's 646 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 6: been a lot better without better quarterback play. And that's 647 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 6: hard to find when when the options are what they are. 648 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 6: I do think that it could have been better. I 649 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 6: guess if you went back and thought about it, you 650 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 6: probably blew it. The whole quarterback thing around the time 651 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 6: that Ben started to get a little older. I mean 652 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 6: when you took Mason Rudolph and he got insulted by that, 653 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 6: that shouldn't you know, that should have been a sign like, oh, 654 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 6: he's starting to feel he's starting to feel the approach 655 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 6: of age. So we got to get really serious about this. 656 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 6: And in twenty twenty they didn't, you know, they traded 657 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 6: away the draft pick after Ben got hurt. But I 658 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 6: mean they should have maybe been looking at it earlier 659 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 6: twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen. That getting serious about finding Ben's 660 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 6: successor and finding his successor, so to speak, in twenty 661 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 6: twenty two was a fantasy and a lot of people, 662 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 6: you know this Mark you were living here then. I 663 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,719 Speaker 6: was not, But I know it happened because I was 664 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 6: the literal first person in the media because I tweeted 665 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 6: it as soon as the pick was was live. The 666 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 6: Steelers will regret this for years, said, I. 667 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: Said it would set them back five years, and now 668 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: it's here like it may be longer. 669 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean in a sense, in the sense that 670 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 6: it has led to this departure. It probably there's a 671 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 6: chance it will set them back even longer than those 672 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 6: five years. 673 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: Mike is always great stuff. We will talk again next week. Boy, 674 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: what a day, what a scramble it was, but Mike, 675 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: Tom went out. We'll do it again next week. 676 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 6: Mike. 677 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 2: Thanks Mark, that's Mike the course of the Sporting News, 678 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 2: I'm Mark Madden. Uh, get your calls in. 679 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: We're not doing the audio segment today because all the 680 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: sound is frankly outdated because Tomlin stepped on as coach 681 00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: of the Pittsburgh Steelers. So we want your calls eight 682 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 1: three to three, four one two WXDX. Don't be stupid. 683 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 1: It at three point fifteen for calls on the fifteen. 684 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: So we got a couple idgits call in and just 685 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 1: say idiotic things. Let's have a serious conversation about this, 686 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: because it's a serious situation. They got to get the 687 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 1: coaching high right, then they got to get the quarterback 688 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: thing right. You know what I just thought of. It 689 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: is shocking to me they fired Tomlin with the draft 690 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: coming here in April. 691 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 2: Maybe he really did step down and not get fired. 692 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 2: What five nine x