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Speaker 1: Good morning, Pa and Nordo. This is Jake calling from

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Speaker 1: beautiful campon Georgia. I think the Vikings should pick up

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Speaker 1: Sean Tucker running back. He was with the Bucks last year.

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Speaker 1: He'd be a great fit with the Vikings, and he's

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Speaker 1: still young and we could get him at a good price.

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Speaker 1: Let me know what you think.

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Speaker 2: Sean Tucker. Yeah, do you see that.

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Speaker 3: Pia Rico Dowdell now with the Steelers and you talk

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Speaker 3: about Sean Tucker. Well, I wonder what the targets of

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Speaker 3: a Bucky Irving look like now that Kenneth Gainwell is

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Speaker 3: in Tampa. M Sean Tucker doesn't catch the ball a lot,

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Speaker 4: and at Ben Gesling viax for the first time in yeah,

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Speaker 4: I heard Salarycap mentioned and he continued with the phone

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Speaker 2: Your steamrolling, aren't you? Good morning? Yeah, good morning.

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Speaker 5: It's part of the gig this time of year is

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Speaker 5: to try to figure out what's going on and share

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Speaker 5: it with our esteemed Vikings group at the Star Tribune.

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Speaker 5: So yes, there was there was a bit of that

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Speaker 5: happening as I was coming in here this morning.

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Speaker 4: You are correct, well, thanks a ton for helping during

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Speaker 4: what for sure is busy. These times are busy and

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Speaker 4: important for the scribe, for Vikings fans, the scribeans are

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Speaker 4: busy and importance.

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Speaker 5: I am only one of those two things. I understand

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Speaker 5: that busy, yes, important, not really.

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Speaker 4: Now you are well scrubbed and well respected and you're

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Speaker 4: the scribe. So what was the team's cap situation into

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Speaker 4: this chat?

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Speaker 2: Any idea.

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Speaker 5: Well, they've cleared a fair amount of space in the

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Speaker 5: restructures in the last few days, and I think they're

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Speaker 5: have a little more money to spend. I don't have

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Speaker 5: the official official numbers at the moments, I haven't seen

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Speaker 5: all of the details yet, but when they've cleared money

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Speaker 5: with Jefferson, they could have cleared up to eighteen million dollars.

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Speaker 5: There could have cleared up to nine with dari Saw.

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Speaker 5: It was five with Hockinson. What did you think of

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Speaker 5: that one, Hockinson? Yeah, like the way it was framed up. Well,

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Speaker 5: fact that they restructured it and then they deleted the

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Speaker 5: last year of the deal in exchange for a cap savings,

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Speaker 5: it's kind of a compromise because it's a realization of

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Speaker 5: way he's played the last couple of years. And I

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Speaker 5: think there's a realization that this is, you know, a

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Speaker 5: that they did it the way they did it rather

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Speaker 5: than just doing a signing bonus conversion was interesting. You know,

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Speaker 5: some of that's a concession to him to let him

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Speaker 5: but yeah, it's I think a reflection of where we're

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Speaker 5: It's going to be a little more measured. It was

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Speaker 2: So I think there's a little bit of a.

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Speaker 5: There's room to get some things done, but I think

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Speaker 2: Yesterday never stopped.

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Speaker 4: I mean that slot machine rolling with the alacrity, the velocity,

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Speaker 4: I mean at one point yesterday, like five thirty, when

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Speaker 5: More active over the last few years because you can

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Speaker 5: be so much more open about it on that first day.

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's certainly what the NFL wants. They want

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Speaker 5: so you get more openness in the dialogue between teams,

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Speaker 5: which means you get more things that happen at once.

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Speaker 5: It's not the well Team A is less conflicted about

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Speaker 5: all these rules are kind of procedurals, so the right way,

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Speaker 5: wrong way. We're not talking about you know, great moral

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Speaker 5: fact that it's a little more like, Yeah, we can

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Speaker 5: all have at it. People can have conversations, people can

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Speaker 5: make offers. It leads to more of this open the

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Speaker 5: floodgates command the news cycle, which the NFL wants to do.

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Speaker 2: So Yeah, I think a lot of it goes to that.

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Speaker 3: Well, as part of that, are we just creating a

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Speaker 3: other room, So I just it's good to see you Ben.

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Speaker 2: Good to see it too. He took the bland side there,

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Speaker 2: I did.

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Speaker 3: I snuck in? Yeah, the are we getting into semantics here?

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Speaker 3: Where effectively the league year? Why do we have this

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Speaker 3: as Pa says, the oxymoronic nature of the legal tampering period. Now, well,

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Speaker 3: these massive decisions. How about the floodgates and the league

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it is interesting. I think some of that is

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Speaker 5: But then I think there are smaller adjustments you make

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Speaker 5: I amul fast guess at this and see what you think. Sure,

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Speaker 5: I think they did it because they were catching wind

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Speaker 5: year after year of two of so many tampering related

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Speaker 5: things taking place at the combine, But they weren't ten

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's like we did. I mean, we can't

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Speaker 2: You got to legalize some things rather than just all.

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Speaker 3: Now there's no tampering at the combine at all, not

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Speaker 3: at all sides Monday morning absolutely.

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Speaker 2: And then yeah starts Monday morning eleven.

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Speaker 5: Then guys have deals at eleven or two. It's It's

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Speaker 5: amazing how fast those zoom calls can lead to a

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Speaker 4: Given Viking's head coach Kevin O'Connell's adoration for tight end

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Speaker 4: that one. But he does love Johnny Mutt does love

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Speaker 4: Johnny Munt. I know, we got Hockinson on the redo, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: he'd be inexpensive. What do you think he would? And

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Speaker 4: he does love Johnny Mutt.

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Speaker 5: I mean, there are a few of these guys cam

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Speaker 5: Akers at the very top of that list who tend

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Speaker 5: the relationship with the coach, with the offensive coordinator, usually

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Speaker 5: from the Rams. That's the case with both of the

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Speaker 5: Munt's going to command too hefty of his salary. He

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Speaker 5: ain't squeezing brizz No, He's not squeezing Brizz I think

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Speaker 5: it's a possibility. Yeah, I mean they do like Johnny

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Speaker 5: Mutt and apparently an elite barbecue.

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Speaker 2: Artiste. Really, yeah, they think they did something.

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Speaker 4: They did Johnny Munt, Jordan Hickson, Nordo together and you

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Speaker 2: Now I want him back, can.

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Speaker 5: I can I get an invite to that? Because yeah,

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Speaker 5: they did like a barbecue thing a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 5: I think the tight Ends did, and he was driving the.

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Speaker 2: Bus on that. Apparently it was quite a good spread.

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Speaker 4: This would be fiena fairness and nine to now act

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Speaker 4: James Pierre the corner from Pittsburgh. Yep. The fairness part

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Speaker 4: even more surprising here he's twenty nine years of age,

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Speaker 4: which means purportedly he's been around for a little bit. Yes,

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Speaker 4: two year, eight and a half million dollar deal, three

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Speaker 4: As some would say, James Pierre, I know you went

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Speaker 5: Obviously he's a guy that was well liked him and

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Speaker 5: he's he's playing a lot of special teams, playing a

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Speaker 5: So if you're somebody that sticks around at that level,

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Speaker 5: I mean CJ. Hammon is very much like this, where

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Speaker 5: if you stick around at that level where it's not

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Speaker 5: money is not going to keep you on the roster forever,

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Speaker 5: it probably goes to say that you're somebody that coaches respect,

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Speaker 5: somebody that goes about things the right way that everybody says, yeah,

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Speaker 5: I want this guy in the building. So the fact

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Speaker 5: I don't think. But you know, if you have enough

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Speaker 5: I don't think they want to go crazy with the

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Speaker 4: Then no, you seem perplexed right now, is it? Is

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Speaker 4: it because the mind is going is spinning. Yeah, you're smiling.

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Speaker 4: That's radio. We can't see it. Somewhat, You've seemed perplexed

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Speaker 2: It's it's not there, Yeah, it's hovering. Right, there's a

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Speaker 5: They could go, and the Grenard thing will probably have

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Speaker 5: McCarthy is on my mind too. There's there's a lot

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Speaker 4: Three minutes into it, you're finally smile. Yeah, yeah, well

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Speaker 4: leak out, all right. That's Ben Gestling covers the Minnesota

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Speaker 4: Kyler Murray, some JJ McCarthy, maybe some Grenard Naylor to

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Speaker 2: Bradbury to the Bears?

435
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:33,280
Speaker 4: There's so much don't leave, Bam.

436
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this.

437
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,240
Speaker 4: I'm gonna ask Ben Leeber the same question, probably forty

438
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:44,240
Speaker 4: five minutes from now, what's so off with JJ McCarthy.

439
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,480
Speaker 4: They may need somebody new to start the year.

440
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:52,080
Speaker 5: Well, I think a lot of it is, you know,

441
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,400
Speaker 5: you saw a lot of the same mistakes happen repeatedly

442
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,119
Speaker 5: last year. I think a lot of the things that

443
00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 5: they worked on, you feel like, Okay, we've come through practice,

444
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 5: there's been progress, and then sometimes in the games it

445
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:10,920
Speaker 5: doesn't translate. So I think it's a realization of there's

446
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 5: a lot of work to do, and there's not necessarily

447
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:18,880
Speaker 5: the amount of time they would want to grant him

448
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 5: to do that. And you know, maybe some of that

449
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:22,439
Speaker 5: can happen away from the spotlight a little bit. But

450
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 5: I think there's also the realization of you have a

451
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,879
Speaker 5: veteran roster. You have a wide receiver who will be

452
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 5: twenty seven in a couple of months and is not aging,

453
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,360
Speaker 5: but has not won a playoff game yet, and it's

454
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 5: very much in his prime. And I think, I mean

455
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,360
Speaker 5: the conversation I had people over and over and over

456
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 5: at the combine, there was a lot of gratitude for

457
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,960
Speaker 5: the way Justin Jefferson led and the way he approached

458
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 5: the whole thing last year. And there's also a realization

459
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,680
Speaker 5: of we need to do right by this guy and

460
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,879
Speaker 5: the aspirations he has for his career.

461
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 2: We have to help him meet those things.

462
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:58,159
Speaker 5: So I think there's also an understanding of if you

463
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,679
Speaker 5: are asking a player like him or a player like

464
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 5: you know, you can go down the line Ara van

465
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,880
Speaker 5: Ginkol or Blake Cashman and the guys that are are

466
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 5: approaching probably the back nine of their careers to wait

467
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 5: and say, yeah, we have a chance to win, but

468
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 5: we need to let this quarterback develop. I think some

469
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,440
Speaker 5: of those factors play in, as does the fact that

470
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:25,159
Speaker 5: Kevin O'Connell is headed into year five and doesn't have

471
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 5: a playoff one yet. So I think all of that

472
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,879
Speaker 5: stuff as he you know, he talked about at the combine,

473
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,440
Speaker 5: sad the timeline has changed. I mean that quote was

474
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 5: kind of the thesis of their approach to the combine

475
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 5: or their approach to free agency, I think, or approach

476
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 5: the quarterback, however you want to put it. But yeah,

477
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 5: that timeline is playing with this a little bit. You

478
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 5: don't have unlimited runway with the quarterback or with everything

479
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,640
Speaker 5: that is affected by the quarterback. So I think it's

480
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 5: a little bit of a yes, this could happen still

481
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 5: and if how does he respond to having somebody else

482
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 5: in the room. Does he take that as a challenge.

483
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:00,400
Speaker 5: He seemed to indicate it the end of the year

484
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 5: that he would. But if it doesn't go the way

485
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,439
Speaker 5: you want, I think they know we have to have

486
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 5: a solid option that we can pivot to, rather than saying,

487
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 5: let's just run it back and hope everything clicks for

488
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 5: the kid.

489
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 4: Kyler Murray in the betting markets is the prohibitive favorite. Yeah,

490
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,479
Speaker 4: I mean heavy favorite to play for the Minnesota Vikings

491
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty six. Can't take place until tomorrow with

492
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 4: the earliest. Do you believe it's going to happen. I

493
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 4: think there's a good chance it does. Yeah, I think

494
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 4: there's interest there. I think he realizes the situation with

495
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 4: you're throwing to Jefferson, you're throwing to Addison, you have

496
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 4: O'Connell calling plays, you have Josh McCown to work with,

497
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 4: Arizona Cardinals legend Josh McCown to work with. Right, Oh,

498
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 4: you don't have the sounder. I was hoping for them. No, anyway,

499
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 4: that was that was the chief shot. He still got

500
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 4: the button bar. Now I got somebody under my feet

501
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,679
Speaker 4: installing carpet in the studio. So I'm trying to not

502
00:24:55,800 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 4: kick my man. Yeah, no, we we're good fights. Fans

503
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 4: don't want to hear it anyway.

504
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 2: I haven't for Jalen Naylor. The autumn Wind is a pirate.

505
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 2: That's the best I can do. Ok, wind does a

506
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 2: COOVI at well?

507
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 5: Anyway, all of these guys, yes, that they would have

508
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 5: to work with Kyler Murray. I think is attractive to him.

509
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 5: So yeah, I think there's a good chance that that

510
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 5: is the maneuver. So you're talking about you want a

511
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 5: talented quarterback room, Yeah, former number one pick.

512
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 2: Was also a baseball draft pick. Is has got some talent.

513
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: You know.

514
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 3: We can joke about arm punts, we can joke about

515
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 3: mistakes that he's made throughout his career, inadequacies, can he

516
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 3: see over the old line, et cetera.

517
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 2: All those jokes aside.

518
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,679
Speaker 3: Dude's thrown for a ton of yards, he's run for

519
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 3: a ton of yards, He's scored a bunch of touchdowns.

520
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 3: I am very much in the camp where save for

521
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 3: some sort of you know, health related issue. Yeah, how

522
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 3: does JJ then become the starter in twenty twenty seven? Well,

523
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 3: I mean other than just so catastrophic year. All other

524
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 3: signs point to you're gonna have to pay Kyler Murray.

525
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 2: Kyler Murray is going to be Kyler Murray. But but

526
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 2: he can be.

527
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,199
Speaker 3: But but that kind of decision is what they're going

528
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 3: to have to make a year from now.

529
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,120
Speaker 2: You get a good year, a year you're saying, yeah,

530
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 2: and he leaves.

531
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 3: You him, you'll pay him peanuts this year, which is

532
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 3: which is the low impact, low risk major.

533
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 2: It's right in front of us, ma'am.

534
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 3: But save for a catastrophic season, Kyler's your starter moving forward.

535
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 5: Well, I do think the what they went through last year,

536
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 5: where you rehabilitate a guy and then he gets into

537
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 5: free agency and then you watch him win the Super Bowl.

538
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 5: I mean I think that plays thinks that would be

539
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 5: in the back of their minds. Yes, because I know

540
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 5: last year even there was this feeling of you can't

541
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 5: have it all with quarterbacks because they cost a lot

542
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 5: of money. But there was this like, yeah, we we

543
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 5: made this run.

544
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 2: With this guy.

545
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 5: And this was before those last couple of games that

546
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 5: I remember having these conversations. But when they've gotten him

547
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 5: to this point, it's like yeah, and then so he's

548
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 5: gonna go play for somebody else and we get a

549
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 5: compic like that kind of sucks. So yeah, I do

550
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 5: think that would be in the backs of their minds

551
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 5: as they would think through. I don't think you're just

552
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 5: going to let him go out and hit free agency

553
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 5: if he's coming off of a good year again and

554
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 5: say let's go back to JJ at that point, I mean,

555
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 5: that's just a clunky fit. So they can sign him

556
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 5: for whatever they want right this year, yes, but we're

557
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 5: talking next year if he in the hypothetical that he

558
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 5: has a great year.

559
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 2: I get it. He was back on the market. It's

560
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 2: in the Sam Darnold situation.

561
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 4: And then he goes to the New York Jets, they

562
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 4: win the Super Bowl and Lavernius Calls becomes the MVP.

563
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 5: Yeah.

564
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 2: I always love that one.

565
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think they I don't think the people

566
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 5: want to watch that happen again.

567
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 4: I'm getting at Arizona's paying X amount of dollars, correct,

568
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 4: the Vikings can offset it with whatever they want, correct

569
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 4: to that number.

570
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 2: Correct minimum?

571
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, So is it guaranteed it's a one in a

572
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 4: veteran minimum? I mean, could it be something with multiple

573
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 4: years and more money?

574
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 5: You could I suppose that's an interesting thought. I mean,

575
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 5: would you do veteran minimum this year and then tack

576
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 5: another year onto it to bypass this whole conversation after

577
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 5: the season of well we got to we're about to

578
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 5: sendhim out in.

579
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 2: The open market.

580
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 5: That's I had not thought of that, but yeah, I

581
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 5: mean this year makes sense for the vet minimum because

582
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,199
Speaker 5: the Cardinals is basically paying him to play for you.

583
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 5: But the idea that you would tack something on the

584
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 5: back side of that, where else can you play? Very

585
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 5: interesting teams? Yeah, i'd ask his agent where else you

586
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 5: gonna play? Well, you want to go to the Jets Jet?

587
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 2: Yeah? And then you're saying, is that a better option

588
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 2: than here?

589
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 5: No?

590
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 2: So I want to go to the Steelers? All right?

591
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe Rogers plays here? Yeah? Yeah, Do you want

592
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 2: to see what I'm saying? Yeah?

593
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 5: Where is where is your best opportunity? Looking at what

594
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 5: you have around you? It's probably here.

595
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 4: But I do feel I mean, if I had to

596
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 4: bet it one year as close to the minimum as

597
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 4: you can get, yeah.

598
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 5: That probably makes the most sense. I think the idea

599
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 5: that you just proposed is that's really interesting. That's why

600
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 5: I'm kind of entertaining the thought exercise. I think that'd

601
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 5: be a little in the sensible thing, straightforward, just get

602
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 5: it done, do the one year. But yeah, if you could,

603
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 5: if you could lock in another year, the question would

604
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 5: be would he want to do that?

605
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 2: Right? He want to say yeah, if you're.

606
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 5: Going to be a year at eight million or whatever,

607
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 5: you know, I'm capping myself early.

608
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 2: He may say no, I don't want to do See.

609
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 4: I think the Vikings hold the majority of the cards

610
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 4: in this deal. Yeah, in that they can be like,

611
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 4: all right, well where are you.

612
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 2: Going to play? Yeah.

613
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 4: Secondly, everybody thinks we don't like this guy, but we

614
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 4: can use this guy. And there are others out there

615
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 4: who will do the I mean like if it's Geno

616
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 4: Smith or Aaron Rodgers or whomever, the one year veteran minimum, right,

617
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 4: and you probably don't have to sweat that skill set

618
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 4: next year going to the Jets winning the Super Bowl

619
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 4: and Lavernia's calls or Anthony Beck becomes the Super Bowl MVP.

620
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 2: Yeah see what I'm saying.

621
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, I mean, yes, there is a situation where

622
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 5: if Kyler is saying, where can I kind of set

623
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 5: myself up for the second half of my career? This

624
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 5: is probably the place to be, I mean the possible

625
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 5: options in the market, because the Falcon Scientia looks like

626
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 5: the dolphin is a getting on leak Willis. So that's

627
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 5: done Cleveland. Yeah, do you like that better? I mean

628
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 5: I would ask him, Yeah, do you like to play outside?

629
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 5: I mean no, I would think I mean that's the

630
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 5: other piece of this too, is like you're asking a

631
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 5: guy that has not played in cold weather, that is

632
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 5: not the biggest dude in the world, to go play

633
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 5: outdoor games in December. I wouldn't think that'd be something

634
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 5: he'd be terribly excited about either. So yeah, I think

635
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 5: Indor stadium thrower to Justin Jefferson playing for Kevin O'Connell.

636
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 5: I mean, there's a lot of attracting quarterback.

637
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

638
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 4: To make you more complicated now, I mentioned earlier Jordan

639
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 4: Addison in the fifth year option.

640
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think is the deadline for that May first? Yeah,

641
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 2: it's usually like May first or May Second's right, so

642
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 2: early May. Do you think they go that way with Jordan?

643
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 5: That's an interesting one because it's an expensive number of eighteen.

644
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

645
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 5: So I mean my inclination would be yes, But it's

646
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 5: also like, are you going to work off of that

647
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 5: to try to do an extension when you're paying justin

648
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 5: Jefferson and you've had the off the field questions, but

649
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 5: Jordan Edison they've had. I mean, you know, that does

650
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 5: come into the thinking of do we want to make

651
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 5: a long term, lucrative commitment to a guy. So I

652
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 5: would think they'd pick it up. But I say that

653
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 5: with an acknowledgement of the complicated nature. Shout out the

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Speaker 5: word complicated of this whole thing with him. You're very complicated.

655
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Speaker 5: It's a very complicated time of it. You're smiling again.

656
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Speaker 3: Yes, is Jordan Addison as Do they see him the

657
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 3: way that he's talked about? I just and maybe this

658
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 3: is an impossible I just wonder if they see him

659
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Speaker 3: as being as mercurial or as complicated as we do.

660
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 3: The thing that happened in la is totally unacceptable. Not

661
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 3: really sure just how the whole hubbub happened down at

662
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 3: that casino in Florida, but not charged now that no

663
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Speaker 3: criminal prosecution is part of that. There was the London thing,

664
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Speaker 3: there was the London thing, and so on the outset

665
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Speaker 3: We're like, man, I don't know if I can rely

666
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Speaker 3: on this guy. Yeah, nineteen touchdowns through his first two

667
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Speaker 3: and everything was wonky last year.

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Speaker 2: I get it.

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Speaker 3: On the field, he's every bit worth that fifth year option. Yeah,

670
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Speaker 3: I'm just saying I'm curious if inside the building they

671
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Speaker 3: connect the same dots that I would as outside.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this is all the question of risk tolerance, right.

673
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 5: I mean you are sitting there looking at these things

674
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 5: and saying how many of these are of a nature

675
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Speaker 5: that we're like, no, we can't go any further with this,

676
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Speaker 5: And you know, how does ownership feel about that? I mean,

677
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:45,959
Speaker 5: all of these things are questions that we don't have

678
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Speaker 5: completely well defined answers to. But I know in terms

679
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Speaker 5: of on the field, they feel great about him, and

680
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 5: they love what he brings to the offense. They love

681
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Speaker 5: the ability he has opposite justin Jefferson. I think they

682
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Speaker 5: feel like he has given them everything on the field

683
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Speaker 5: that they wanted from that receiving spot.

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Speaker 2: It's just that question of do you want to I.

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Speaker 5: Mean, I think the other piece of this whole thing

686
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Speaker 5: long term is do you want to pay two guys

687
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Speaker 5: at that spot? I mean, because you're not going to

688
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Speaker 5: be paying peanuts for a quarterback forever and they got

689
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Speaker 5: to figure out who that is before you decide whether

690
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Speaker 5: you're going to pay that person. But if you have

691
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Speaker 5: thirty four thirty five million dollars a year average locked

692
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Speaker 5: up in Justin Jefferson for the next few years, do

693
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Speaker 5: you want to go do that with Addison as well?

694
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Speaker 5: When there tend to be decent replacement options available in

695
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Speaker 5: the draft most of the time. So, I mean that

696
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Speaker 5: plays into the thinking here too.

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Speaker 4: When the Minnesota Vikings selected lastly, Michael Jurgens, Yeah, all right,

698
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 4: that there were those within the personnel department who felt

699
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Speaker 4: in a couple of years he absolutely will be a

700
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Speaker 4: full time starter in the NFL. Yep, Well, we we've

701
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 4: seen Jurgen's play, We've seen him start. You got Brandall,

702
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 4: who has position flexibility, the center situation, Linderbaum over there,

703
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Speaker 4: something called cade May's over there, got Ethan Posik, the

704
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Speaker 4: LSU guys still available, like the center spot with what

705
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 4: will be probably a new quarterback. Yeah, this is important.

706
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Speaker 4: I mean, that's why, that's why the low hanging fruit

707
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Speaker 4: with Garrett Bradberry is he gets pushed back by big

708
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Speaker 4: defensive tackles. Cool Ben Johnson traded for him in about

709
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Speaker 4: five seconds after Drew Dolman left. Why just remember the

710
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Speaker 4: conversations we had background wise when Bradbury was hurt and

711
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Speaker 4: Schloatman was the center. It's Schloatman finally got up to

712
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Speaker 4: speed with Cousins on what goes into the one and

713
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Speaker 4: one a of the quarter. The center quarterback situation is

714
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Speaker 4: one of the least talked about, yet most important facets

715
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Speaker 4: of winning games. That's why Ben Johnson was like, all right, yeah, yeah,

716
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Speaker 4: I know he's on the smaller shide. Yeah, I know

717
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Speaker 4: he gets pushed around. I'll take him.

718
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

719
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Speaker 4: Because of his acumen and because of his organization responsibility

720
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Speaker 4: in film study, he's a scholar of the game totally.

721
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Speaker 4: It was a sweet move by the Bears. In my opinion,

722
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Speaker 4: for Caleb Williams, what are we gonna do.

723
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Speaker 5: Well, I think there's an understanding that you need to

724
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Speaker 5: address that spot because of what you said. You need

725
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Speaker 5: a guy that can kind of be a partner with

726
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Speaker 5: a quarterback, especially if it's a younger quarterback. I think

727
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 5: that's why Ryan Kelly was here last year, and that's

728
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Speaker 5: why they wanted a guy of that level at the position.

729
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 5: Ethan Posk is on the market. Still a couple of

730
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 5: these guys. The bigger names have gone Lloyd Cushion Berry,

731
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Speaker 5: who played for Keith Carter and Tennessee. I believe there

732
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:49,240
Speaker 5: are two former Titans interior alignment on the free agent market,

733
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Speaker 5: the familiar everybody have to had played for somebody who's

734
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Speaker 5: within the governant. No, but it helps in the sense

735
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Speaker 5: that you know this guy will respond to how I'm

736
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Speaker 5: going to coach him, the techniques I want, the scheme

737
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 5: we're going to play. I mean, if there's people that

738
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Speaker 5: have Dolphins connections too, I'd keep an eye on those.

739
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Speaker 5: But the center market has a few names left on it,

740
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Speaker 5: and there's probably some I haven't considered, but yeah, they're

741
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 5: just Titans connections are where I go a little bit

742
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Speaker 5: because a number of those guys have already signed, so

743
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Speaker 5: it's not the most robust market left in free agency.

744
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 2: And the guys that have signed and made a grip.

745
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 3: But the cushion Berry achilles twenty twenty four, Yeah, po sick.

746
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 3: It was either a knee or an achilles last year.

747
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 3: Like I just I got fatigue with and you know

748
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 3: I can. I'll get past it. I'll survive and grow

749
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 3: and be better again. But what we watched when Allen

750
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 3: missed half the season. Javon Hargrave only played in three games.

751
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 3: Ryan Kelly, I mean, thankfully, Will Fries pretty consistent after

752
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 3: the fibula or whatever. Yeah, so it's not that it's impossible,

753
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 3: but I just got a little fatigue in terms of

754
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 3: picking guys off the injury shelf like that.

755
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Speaker 2: I think they did too.

756
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Speaker 5: I mean in terms of having all the different offensive

757
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 5: line combinations, we heard that a lot had this many

758
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 5: different combinations at the line. So that's a fair point.

759
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 5: I mean, you want a group that is consistent as

760
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 5: much as you can. I remember my first year on

761
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 5: the Beat, twenty twelve, they go to the playoffs with

762
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 5: a group that you know, really nobody expected was going

763
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 5: to do much. They'd won three games the year before,

764
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,919
Speaker 5: and Adrian Peterson MVP is a huge part of that. Yes,

765
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 5: but they had a line that year that I think

766
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 5: got one hundred and eighty out of one hundred and

767
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 5: eighty starts.

768
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Speaker 4: Wow, those five. Fusco was the right guard. Fusco was

769
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 4: the right guard. Fosco got paid, Adrian got a lot

770
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 4: of people paid. Fusco got paid, Phil Loho call paid,

771
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 4: I think John Sullivan got paid. But then Charlie Johnson

772
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 4: was left guard and mcalleil left tackle. I think all

773
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 4: five of those guys played all sixteen games. That level

774
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 4: of continuity that year was first.

775
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 2: It was really good. But you remember all those guys.

776
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, that was the Elephantine memory is sometimes

777
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 5: comes in handy. It's not Kevin O'Connell level Murray recall,

778
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 5: but it's pretty good.

779
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Speaker 4: Elton Jenkins inclosing, Yeah, now you're just likeast year and

780
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 4: I'd forgotten how grusom it was. So I'm like Elton Jenkins, okay,

781
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 4: I mean Packer fans with whom we work here, right,

782
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 4: they got negative on him before he got hurt, Like

783
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 4: all right, well, I mean Elton Jenkins is a baller.

784
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 2: They changed his position. He was one of the better

785
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 2: guards in the NFL. They had to change his position

786
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 2: to center. Seemed to be doing okay for me. You

787
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,280
Speaker 2: read into that leg injury.

788
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 4: Ho lyake out, fracture, ankle, ligaments tied into it.

789
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Speaker 2: I got, I mean, I got all lines for Aldon Jenkins.

790
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 2: Sadly that's the problem because otherwise, yeah, you'd say, I mean,

791
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 2: because he was really good in Green Bay and showed

792
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 2: he could play a number of different spots, which is

793
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 2: always valuable as well. But yeah, a guy that I mean,

794
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 2: you wouldn't be talking about him as a swing lineman.

795
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 2: You'd be talking him about him as a starter. If

796
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 2: you felt okay about the health and that injury. That's

797
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Speaker 2: one where you'd say, mmm, we got to be pretty

798
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:50,879
Speaker 2: clear on this before we go down that road.

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Speaker 4: Oh you're the best, and I know you're busy. Thank

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Speaker 4: you very Thank you very much for sharing the complication

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Speaker 4: and the precarious nature of free agency. Was nine to

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Speaker 3: Top of the hour, jumping to more vikings and free

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Speaker 3: agency bits, But I will note the only news thus

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Speaker 3: far today for your Minnesota Vikings is they did agree

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Speaker 3: to terms and back in the mix, Andrew Depaula gets

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Speaker 3: a one year, fully guaranteed, one point seven and a

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Speaker 3: quarter million dollar deal. That's the Paula now snapping for

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Speaker 3: his twelfth NFL season, one point seven to twenty five million.

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Speaker 2: Let's try to say that more correctly. At any rate.

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Speaker 3: Outside of that, we're still waiting for news. Will they

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Speaker 3: address the center spot who's left? D line talker Tuesday style?

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Speaker 3: We got your talkbacks for a nice long segment later

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Speaker 3: in the final hour. It's a double feature tonight. You're

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Speaker 3: gonna get to catch it right here on the fan.

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Speaker 3: Minnesota Wild, we're unable to find two points at the

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Speaker 3: Avs over the weekend. They're back at it tonight at

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Speaker 3: Grand Casino Arena six forty five Fallness Fast seven pm.

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Speaker 2: Ish puck drop.

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Speaker 3: The Utah Mammoth are in town, and all the Minnesota Wild,

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Speaker 3: save for a shootout victory a couple of years ago,

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Speaker 3: have still not beaten the Mammoth and have definitely not

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Speaker 3: beaten them in regulation. So hoping they get two points

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Speaker 3: tonight at home and then After that, the double feature

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Speaker 3: continues out west. The Minnesota Timberwolves are at the LA

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Speaker 3: Lakers Big Time Primetime NBC Peacock Affair. That's going to

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Speaker 3: be a ten pm ish pip off out West, tenth Central.

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Speaker 3: It's a lay one. Yeah, it's a lay one.

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Speaker 4: And Finchy at nine thirty tomorrow, seven thirty in the

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Speaker 4: morning Pacific.

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Speaker 3: Diam he's committed to the show, PA, he's a committed

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Speaker 3: a weekly guest, and that's one of the reasons we

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Speaker 3: love Finchy.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Lebron's playing tonight. He's out.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's been out. He missed last game. Wolves are

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Speaker 4: favored by three. Oh, that would explain him something. Yeah,

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00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 4: there's I don't know, maybe the Wolves should be favored

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Speaker 4: by three over Luca Lebron, DeAndre eight and Austin Reeves.

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Speaker 2: And the Cats. It's the double feature affair too.

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00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 3: For the Wolves themselves is they will play the Lakers

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00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 3: tonight and then the clip Joint tomorrow before they jump

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Speaker 3: up to the Bay on.

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Speaker 2: Friday at Oka.

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Speaker 3: See, this is an interesting little four game road trip

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Speaker 3: for a team that's gripping that third spot in the West.

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Speaker 2: So let's get that.

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Speaker 3: Let's get that dub against maybe a Lebron Lists Lake

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Speaker 3: Show squad tonight.

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Speaker 4: Oklahoma City played in a thrilling spine tingler with the

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Speaker 4: Denver Nuggets last night and both teams I believe well.

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00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 4: Denver had its full compliment, so had Joker Jamal Murray.

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Speaker 4: Aaron Gordon is back now for a couple of games.

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Speaker 4: Cameron Johnson is back for them, Christian Brown is playing.

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Speaker 4: And for Oklahoma City, they were down ched Holmgrim so

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Speaker 4: but they were at home and they had SGA. That

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Speaker 4: was a heck of a basketball game last night. Okay,

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Speaker 4: SOE got the money and that's news.

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Speaker 3: Denord brought truncated edition brought to you by the Casino

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Speaker 3: at Canterbury Park, and with Ben Lieber around the corner,

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Speaker 3: I promise you a lot more Vikings conversation to kick

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Speaker 3: off the final stretch.

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Speaker 4: And your talkbacks will continue to be played nine to

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Speaker 4: noon on a Talker Tuesday, with a Northern Fire prize

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Speaker 4: package to be given away less than an hour from now.

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