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Speaker 1: Good Friday morning, Michael and Dragon. That worked out to

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Speaker 2: Zero zero zero zero zero zero zero four or five percent.

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Speaker 2: That's very good. What time was that talk about, left Dragon?

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Speaker 1: It was one o'clock this morning?

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Speaker 2: Oh, yesterday noon? Oh okay, all right, well, nonetheless very good.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how to break this news to everybody.

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Speaker 1: Rip it off like a band aid, do it quick.

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Speaker 2: The Nobel Peace Prize for twenty twenty five goes to

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Speaker 2: a brave and committed champion of peace, to a woman

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Speaker 2: who keeps the flame of democracy burning and growing and

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Speaker 2: amid a growing darkness. The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided

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Speaker 2: to award the Nobel Peace Prize for twenty twenty five too,

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Speaker 2: Maria Corina Machado. She's receiving Nobel Prize for her tireless

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Speaker 2: work promoting democratic rights for the people of Venezuela and

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Speaker 2: for her struggle to achieve a just and peaceful transition

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Speaker 2: quite alright with that. I'm quite all right with that.

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Speaker 2: But let's just go through a little bit about what

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Speaker 3: Do you think the president deserves a Nobel Peace Prize?

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Speaker 4: Bro I mean, if this sticks, I think the whole

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Speaker 4: point of having a Nobel piece and prizes for ending

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Speaker 4: wars and promoting peace. And now I'm going to make

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Speaker 4: a direct appeal to the president. You know, I hope

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Speaker 2: And so John Fetterman wanted him to get it. But

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Speaker 2: now let's go to you know, Dick Durban, the senator

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Speaker 5: You think that Trump deserves credit for this?

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Speaker 3: Yes, if it works, there are people on the right

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Speaker 1: What do you say to that.

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Speaker 2: Ourselves? Yeah, let's not get ahead of ourselves. Ari Fleisher

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry to put it so bluntly, but who cares.

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Speaker 3: The Nobel Peace Prize has been useless for generations ever

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Speaker 3: since they gave Barack Obama the Nobel Peace Prize for

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Speaker 3: doing nothing. It is the Democratic Peace Prize. It is

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Speaker 3: the Liberal Socialists of Europe Peace Prize. It has nothing

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Speaker 3: outside the scientific realm, where I think that they actually

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Speaker 2: Would have made no progress in.

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Speaker 3: The Middle East. They have succumbed to the temptation that

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Speaker 3: The Nobel Peace Prize.

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Speaker 1: Who cares?

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Speaker 2: Who Cares? Who cares? Sirs A A flesher Stuart Varney.

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Speaker 6: There's virtually universal agreement on this program that the president

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Speaker 1: After all, if Obama could get one for doing very little,

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Speaker 2: I never thought, I mean I honestly never thought for

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Speaker 2: Did you really think that? Do you really think Donald

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Speaker 2: a yearly episode of peace. Has got talent, you know,

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Speaker 2: That and then they turn around if they if they

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Speaker 1: Or something exactly, that means they want you on their team.

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Speaker 2: I found it and Snoop Dogg. I don't know how

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Speaker 2: He is they start to turn around, and you know,

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Speaker 2: And I thought, now, Adam, if I'm a young black

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Speaker 2: I know, Ah, maybe I choose a black guy. Maybe

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Speaker 2: But do I choose that? Or I choose the redheaded

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Speaker 2: Well I understand, and you know, and Tamer gets really

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Speaker 2: And we can't have John Lennon because he's dead, so

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Speaker 1: Paul McCartney, he's here tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Well, y's right, Paul McCartney. You know, I may you know,

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Speaker 1: Like you said, if it's anything close to the raffle

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Speaker 2: So if you go through and I did, this is

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Speaker 1: He's a Nazi, you remember, Oh, that's right, in a Nazi.

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Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, Trump's working his butt off to

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Speaker 2: It's pretty good, but let's be honest, the Nobel, the

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Speaker 2: Nobel Peace Prize. I think the Nobel Prize in Physics

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Speaker 2: He won a presidential ettle life. If there's any reason

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Speaker 2: Yes, except I think you missed my point about the Danes.

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Speaker 2: they may actually be the loser in this arrangement. I

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Speaker 2: heard somebody on one of the or I heard I

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Speaker 2: read somebody in a recent story about this conflict that

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Speaker 2: you want when you do a piece agreement, when you

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Speaker 2: do some sort of negotiation like this, you don't want

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Speaker 2: any one side to feel like they've come out on top,

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Speaker 2: that everybody's lost and everybody's won, and even more importantly,

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Speaker 2: that the big guy doesn't want to be seen, as

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Speaker 2: you know, having prevailed over the smaller guy, and the

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Speaker 2: smaller guy having or the smaller guy having prevailed over

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Speaker 2: the bigger guy. I took a couple of undergraduate political

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Speaker 2: science courses in diplomacy, and that's one of the things

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Speaker 2: that I remember, and all the things the professor has

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Speaker 2: talked about in terms of how you know, diplomatic agreements

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Speaker 2: come about is that everybody comes away for anybody like

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Speaker 2: they both won and that they've lost. So I looked

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Speaker 2: at everything about this agreement, but granted I had a

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Speaker 2: hard time looking at it from any perspective other than

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Speaker 2: that Israel might actually be the greater loser in this arrangement.

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Speaker 2: And I base that on a core contention that Israel

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Speaker 2: has made disproportionate concessions without achieving what their fundamental goal

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Speaker 2: was to at the very beginning. Well, we come on.

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Speaker 2: You can name what that is. Elimination of Hamas as

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Speaker 2: a militant threat. That may have been done temporarily, but

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Speaker 2: that's what I wanted to introduce the concept of Huddna first,

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Speaker 2: because if you understand radical ism, not even radical Islamist here,

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Speaker 2: if you just basically understand Islam, the concept of Huddna

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Speaker 2: fits in perfectly with what they've agreed to here. There

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Speaker 2: are just several key terms of the agreement. Israel will

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Speaker 2: partially withdraw the idea from Gaza, but they will retain

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Speaker 2: some military presence. But I'm not sure how that define yet. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: because I had not seen the agreement, Hamas will release

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Speaker 2: all twenty surviving Israeli hostages in exchange for the release

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Speaker 2: of approximately two thousand Palestinian prisoners from Israeli custody, some

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Speaker 2: of whom were serving life sentences. Humanitarian aid will continue

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Speaker 2: to surge into Gaza, but that's nothing new. Humanitarian aid

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Speaker 2: has continued to surge into Gaza. It's just that Hamas

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Speaker 2: was stealing most of it. Now. The third point or

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Speaker 2: the fourth point that I came up with, Hamas must disarm,

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Speaker 2: But I couldn't really find, at least in publicly available documents,

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Speaker 2: anything about the implementation mechanisms. So to me, that's unclear.

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Speaker 2: What does it mean to disarm and to what extent

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Speaker 2: are you going to do? I mean, if you think

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Speaker 2: about disarming, just take the word itself disarming. You've given

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Speaker 2: up your arms. But I'm not really sure that that's true.

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Speaker 2: So that remains to be seen. There is no immediate

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Speaker 2: transfer of governance away from Hamas to this new boards.

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Speaker 2: That's in a second or third phase. Remember this is

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Speaker 2: a this is a multi phased agreement, and the first

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Speaker 2: is really just to seize fire and the exchange of hostages,

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Speaker 2: which is not Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining

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Speaker 2: about that. I'm just trying to give a perspective, and

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Speaker 2: this was mediated, which I think is very important, by Egypt, Katar,

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Speaker 2: Turkey and the United States. Sadi's wanted to keep their

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Speaker 2: hands cleaned. Kuwaitis the same and the Emis I understand.

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Speaker 2: But let's think about why would Israel be seen as

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Speaker 2: the clear loser in this. That's not