WEBVTT - Weekend Sports Talk with Chick Ludwig 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:15.159 Did you hear that? 0:00:15.280 --> 0:00:39.920 Can you hear the bumper? Six o six? In the 0:00:40.040 --> 0:00:43.680 Queen City of Cincinnati. Chick Ludwig seven hundred w l 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:47.879 W Sean Dickmann is co hosting tonight. Russ Jackson is 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:51.240 producing and running a big board in our control room. 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:55.240 This is sports talk and like Eric Carmon and the Raspberries, 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:57.440 we're going all the way to nine o'clock and that's 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:01.960 when Donna d takes over the waves and we have 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:06.400 news with the Reds acquiring two outfielders and JJ Bledet 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:11.080 and Dane Myers. Tonight's Cyclones game is postponed with the 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:16.000 k Wings because of the ECCHL player strike. The Miami 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:20.200 RedHawks trail Fresno State nine to three at halftime in 0:01:20.280 --> 0:01:24.720 the Snoop Dog Arizona Ball. And oh yeah, the Michigan 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:28.440 Wolverines have a new football coach in longtime Utah coach 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:33.320 Kyle Whittingham, a move that also impacts the University of Cincinnati. 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:37.120 And speaking of the UC Bearcats, we welcome in from 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:41.920 the Inquirer and Cincinnati dot Com Scott Springer, who covers 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:48.720 the Bearcats. Scott, thanks for hanging tough with us tonight. 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:52.680 Can we go ahead and put Scott on there. Here 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:55.559 we go, Scott, thanks so much for joining us tonight. 0:01:56.840 --> 0:01:57.040 Hey. 0:01:57.080 --> 0:01:59.600 I talked to Kyle Whittingham at the twelve media days 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:03.720 there in uh in Frisco, Texas back in July. Good guy, 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:07.000 what a hire? And what did he just you know 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:09.800 what to them because uh, you know, they're they're kind 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:12.560 of shoving him out the door. And he ends up 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:15.000 getting a better job and he's probably going to take 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:19.280 some of his staff, including his offensive coordinator who came 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:21.600 from New Mexico I think it was and brought the 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:24.040 quarterback there that that ran all over the place. So 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:26.760 good hire by Michigan. 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:31.880 No doubt. And I also think of Kerry Combs, who 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:36.280 is named, uh the special teams coordinator for the Michigan 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:39.080 right before everything blew up there. 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:42.480 Yeah, I think he gets paid either way. I hope 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:45.880 he's six. Carry's a good guy. I'm always rooting for 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:50.400 the Ogs man, no doubt, no doubt. Yeah, Uh, far 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:53.080 as I can tell, he's got a signed document that 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:55.880 says he gets paid. So it happened with Sarron Moore 0:02:55.960 --> 0:02:56.760 is not his fault. 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:59.160 So it's a beautiful thing. 0:02:59.200 --> 0:02:59.399 Man. 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:03.440 That's fantastastic for Carrie. We're definitely rooting for him. And 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:06.960 and how about the Bearcats coming up, getting ready to 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:12.320 go against Navy on January second in Memphis and a 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:18.720 lot of changes. New quarterback Brady Lichtenberg gets his chance here, Scott. 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:22.400 Yeah, yeah, And he actually played in the last Bowl 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:25.000 game and there was Sabby Fenway ball he got in 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:27.400 and the third quarter had won Kerry for five yards. 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:30.880 So nothing to write home about. But there's like four 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:34.200 Bearcats that played in that game. Gavin Gerhard jack Dngele, 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:38.160 Rob Jackson. I'm thinking I think that might be it 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:41.440 that Brady got in that game. So he's been around, 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:45.560 and hey, you know, from adversity comes opportunity, said the 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:50.000 great Rick Menner. And this is his chance. Brendan Sowersby, 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:53.960 you know all signs that I can tell your point 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:56.320 to Texas Tech and he's not going to be there. 0:03:56.360 --> 0:03:58.120 And that would have been a nice matchup if you 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:02.360 looked at Soorsby versus Blake Rba, the Navy quarterback, and 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:05.360 early on UC was favored in this game, and that 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:08.560 was considering swords Pe would play. Now they're like a 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:11.400 touchdown underdog and they're gonna have to go out and 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:15.080 prove themselves. And you know, Navy's good number twenty two 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:18.160 team in the nation. Two losses. Notre Dame thumped them 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:21.359 pretty good and they lost to North Texas. Won the 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:25.000 Army Navy game on a fourth and eighth call, you know, 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:27.400 by the goal line and got you play and won that. 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:31.600 The one thing I think maybe helps you see a little, 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:35.040 and it's a big maybe, is that's their biggest game 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:38.040 of the year. That was December thirteenth, and they had 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:40.520 to come off of that and go into exams, and 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:43.120 they had just two practices and then they gave them 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:45.640 ten days off and they're not practicing until the twenty 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:49.200 ninth in Memphis, right before the ball game. So UC's 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:52.960 gonna have several more practices. Will that matter, I don't know. 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:54.719 You know, because Navy just played a game and you 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:58.320 see hasn't played since November twenty ninth, and TCU and 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:01.000 you have a quarterback change. You do have some other 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:05.440 opt outs. But my take on it now, and it 0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:08.320 would be okay, you look at Navy and say Navy's 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:10.880 the better team, and those Navy kids are tough and 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:14.240 they are regimented. I'm sure they're home doing sit ups 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:18.440 and not eating pumpkin pine and stuff. But you know, 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:21.160 if you can catch him maybe a little too fat 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:24.400 and sassy from that Army win and with not enough practice, 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:27.520 you know, maybe that works in your behalf. If you're 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:31.240 UC it's hard to say, but you know, you're not 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:34.120 going to have Coleone playing and some of the other guys, 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:39.000 and but you do have all your offensive line, and 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:41.000 you do have some decent running backs, you have all 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:44.760 your receivers coming back there. They're going to be a 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:49.039 little weak in the secondary. But Navy doesn't throw a ton. Now, 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:51.960 having said that, he did throw for three hundred and 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:55.400 thirty nine yards against Air Force this year, so they 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:58.680 can throw. But the kids that are playing, or the 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:00.680 kids that want to be there and have a chance 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:04.160 to get some tape and go on national TV and 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:07.360 have a chance. And the thing I like best is 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:10.120 Joe Royer's playing. I think that really says something. And 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:15.480 you know that's something new in these days where everybody 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:18.320 just wants there. If they're not in a college football 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:21.400 playoff game, they just say, well, I'm going to opt out, 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:23.800 and you know, go pump iron and get ready to 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:26.120 run my forty and look good in my underwear and 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:28.440 all that, and Joe's going to go play. So good 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:28.880 for Joe. 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:31.839 Royer, good elder boy, very positive sign. Scott, This is 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:33.240 Sean McMahon. How you doing tonight? 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:35.040 Great? What's up? 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:35.400 Hey? 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:37.479 I got a quick question for you. You mentioned how 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:39.680 good of a Navy team this is. They're ten and 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:42.320 two U SEE sitting at seven and five. U SEE 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:44.440 hasn't won a game since October. They beat Baylor in 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:47.640 their homecoming game. What's the path to victory for you see? 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:50.000 With them missing so many key players. 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:54.760 Well, you have to hope that Reggy Lichtenberg plays with 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:57.159 the biggest ship in the world on his shoulder. You 0:06:57.240 --> 0:06:59.120 have to be able to run the ball. But you 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:01.960 know this just in maybe defends the run quite a bit. 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:04.400 They see that in practice all the time, so he's 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:06.960 gonna have to make some throws. The upside is you 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:10.600 have all the receivers back playing and including Cyrus Allen, 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:13.920 who's one touchdown catch away from the school record. So 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:18.120 if they can throw the ball successfully on Navy, and 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:21.040 you know you're gonna have to make some stops defensively, 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:24.640 but you do have most of your defensive line back. 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:27.559 You don't have Corleone. They've got a guy named Landon 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:30.920 Robinson on the other side on their defensive line who's 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:33.600 kind of like Corleone but not as heavy, about six 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:36.160 foot two eighty five. But he's the first team All 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:41.240 American and he's an Ohio guy, and he's really good. So, 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:44.320 like I said, I think, you know, maybe if you 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:46.520 get enough of these practices and you can work some 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:51.000 wrinkles in, you have a chance. You know that these 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:53.120 games are so hard to predict. But you know, I 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:56.200 watched East Carolina in Pitt today and I think East 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:59.880 Carolina had had eight or nine opt outs, including you know, 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:03.960 key positions, quarterback, running back, all over the place, and 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:06.320 they want and they beat pit you know, a pretty 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:10.120 solid team, So it can be done. You know, I 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:13.080 always say that the tough team wins, whoever wants it, 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:15.760 the tough guy wins. Now that's that's kind of tough 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:18.360 when you're going against the Service Academy, because those boys 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:18.840 are tough. 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:22.320 Scott Scott Springer with us. Yeah, Scott Springer with us 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:25.240 for a little bit more. Man really appreciate your time, Scott, 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:27.680 and we were talking off the area, Sean and I 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:32.840 Sean bumps into Brady Lichtenberg's mom at a concession stand 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:35.439 at the What the Baylor game? Was that the Baylor game? Yeah, 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:35.679 we were. 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:38.240 We were standing underneath the second deck of the pavilion, 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:40.400 though kind of by the deader the old deadly building, 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:43.520 the CCM building, And I noticed this woman stands next 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:45.920 to me and she's got a number, a number chain 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:48.680 wrapped around her neck. It's in the number sixteen, and 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:50.840 I'm thinking, who's sixteen? I can't remember off the top 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:52.880 of my head. There's so much roster change every single year, 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:55.280 it's hard to keep up. And I finally just asked them, 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:56.320 was like, do you have a son on the team? 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:58.880 She goes, yeah, my son's Brady Lichtenberg. And I was 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:01.839 stunned to hear he was still actually on the team. 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:04.719 I'm pretty passionate fan. I felt kind of embarrassed to 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:06.360 admit I didn't know he was still on the team. 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:08.520 So I was pretty thrilled to hear that he's stuck 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:11.920 through the coaching change and he's stuck behind. You know, 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:14.240 he's he's been the number two guy for a long 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:17.000 time and he's finally getting his opportunity and his mom 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:18.640 was as sweet as could be. So you know, I'm 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:21.320 rooting for the guy as hard as possible to go 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:24.000 get the win for Uce and to represent the Bearcats. 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:26.720 And you know, I hope he makes the most of 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:27.480 his opportunity. 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:31.040 Yeah. Toledo kids, Yeah, Yeah, Toledo kid, Toledo Saint John. 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:34.680 That came in with some really good credentials, but he's 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:37.680 gutted it out here, Scott, and that says a lot 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:38.840 about the person. 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:44.720 Tashi is his second start in twenty twenty three, the 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:48.960 first year in the Big Twelve. He started at West Virginia. Unfortunately, 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:51.800 cracked his ribs in that game and that game didn't 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:53.360 go so well, but a lot of them didn't go 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:55.560 very well that year. But that's when he had most 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:58.440 of his playing time in twenty twenty three. So like 0:09:58.480 --> 0:10:02.160 career wise, he's twenty six or forty five, I think 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:05.959 three hundred and thirty three yards, three touchdowns, ninety four 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:09.040 yards resting one touchdown. But but this year it was 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:12.880 mainly that Northwestern State game where the other both the 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:16.400 other quarterbacks got in. Samon Jones also got in. Bran 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:19.840 Or through for a touchdown in that game. Other than that, 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:22.080 Brady you know, got in for a cup of coffee 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:24.440 against Utah when that one got out of her hand. 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:27.040 And so, yeah, he hasn't had his opportunities because you 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:30.680 have Brendan Sersby, who if you're believing everything you read 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:33.840 is going to command over five million bucks and you know, 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:36.200 I love the guy, but she was I don't know 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:39.880 if I'd pay five millions, you know, yeah, it's it's 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:42.280 I'd be thinking, well, what can I get for two 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:44.520 and a half or you know, you know, maybe I 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:46.200 get somebody that can move the team. 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:50.240 Scott looking at looking at Navy style with their misdirection, 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:52.760 the way they run the football, man, that's going to 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:54.520 be a challenge for the for the Bearcats. 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:59.120 Well, yeah, it's just a it's an old offense, but 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:02.640 it's new in terms of the players because most people 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:07.080 don't run it anymore. Old school wing tea and you know, 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:09.120 you have to, you know when they say the dive, 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:13.760 the quarterback in the pitch and assignment football and those things. 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:15.760 But they're able to throw out of it too. So 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:18.840 it's just something a lot of the kids haven't seen 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:22.240 since their high school days. Tyson Vite, I think you 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:25.240 said the last time he coordinated against. It was against 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:29.040 Wofford like in two thousand and four or something like that. 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:32.360 So it's but that's what they do, and that's how 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:36.920 Navy and Army win, you know, because typically they're recruiting 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:40.679 undersized guys, so that kind of offsets that with their 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:42.120 ability to run that offense. 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:45.680 To a tee Scott, Navy you mentioned loves to run 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:48.280 the ball at Service Academy football. It's classic. But they're 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:50.840 not afraid to throw the ball deep down the field either. 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:53.280 You see, obviously has to watch out for that. Do 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:55.480 you expect them to kind of load the box We're 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:57.480 used to seeing them play the three three five defense. 0:11:57.520 --> 0:11:59.000 Do you think they're going to put more guys up 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:01.920 front in an attempt to stop Navy's run game and 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:03.360 force them to throw the ball more. 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:06.320 I think they're gonna have to because I don't see 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:09.680 how you can play three three five. I mean, honestly, 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:11.920 and I'm not no expert, so I'm not going to 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:14.160 go on some great critique of the three three five. 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:17.040 But yeah, from a press box in some of the games, 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:19.679 I've looked out through my binoculars and I said, we'll shoot. 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:21.600 They could just run it to the left and there's 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:24.440 nobody there, so I you know, I don't understand the 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:28.200 movement and everything, but there's no way you can have 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:32.480 three down linemen against the Army. And Scott Saderfield has 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:34.480 said as much in practice this month. 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:38.280 Let's definitely hope with the Bearcats being one and eleven 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:41.240 in November these last few years they can get it 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:43.320 would be really nice to get a Bowl win if 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:46.080 we could take a little U turn here, Scott and 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:49.120 just look at basketball here for a second. Lipscom comes 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:53.480 in here what from Nashville, Tennessee on Monday night, and 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:57.040 it's the last uh what pre conference game before we 0:12:57.160 --> 0:13:00.480 really get rocking and rolling next Saturday at home against 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:02.000 the Houston Cougars. 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:06.079 Hikes, Yes, oh yeah, yeah yeah. Well then you shoot, 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:08.160 you look at the big twelve. They got four of 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:11.320 the top ten. Yes, you know, Houston's number eight, and 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:14.120 then you have Iowa State in there in Arizona and 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:19.199 BYU at ten. I think, so yeah, crazy league, which 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:21.880 you know, on the outside, you have every opportunity to 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:24.920 crawl back in this thing if you can get some wins, 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:27.520 and you know, it helps your your ratings and all that. 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:29.560 On the other side, of it. You know, you can 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:32.320 go down the tank in a hurry. And last year 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:34.719 in January was not good for you see, they they 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:38.880 rebounded a bit in February. So but I think you're 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:42.200 probably going to see some changes come Monday because the 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:45.040 way that Clemson game played out, and you know, he 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:48.440 started a different lineup in the second half that included 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:53.760 Gisel James and included Sincere Buck Harris and and with 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:58.040 that lineup they made some strides. So I don't know 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:00.360 for sure that they're going to change the line but 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:04.160 the indications where there was going to be some form 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:06.679 of a change, and you have to look at, you know, 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:11.200 in just two short games, the contributions that Gisel James 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:14.719 has made, you know, coming back, you know, surprisingly and 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:16.320 no one really thought he was going to be back, 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:19.040 and he came back and was effected right away and 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:22.640 has effected the team right away, and they played differently. 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:25.040 You know, they had a little more pep in their 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:27.440 step when he came back the first game. And I 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:29.680 don't know what the heck happened down there in Greenville. 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:33.400 You know that game, it's thirty to five and you're going, man, 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:36.400 this is like the Washington Generals against the Globe Trotters, 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:39.360 and then in the second half they have a chance 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:43.160 to win. And he's Wes Miller said, you know, in 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:49.440 the four Power four losses Xavier, Louisville, Georgia, Clemson, you 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:52.760 have either had leads or you know, in the Clemson game, 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:57.240 you're a possession from winning. You know, somehow that would 0:14:57.280 --> 0:15:02.160 have been the craziest win ever. But I can tell 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:04.440 you that the Clemson media were sitting there and I 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:07.280 think they had their stories written at halftime and they're 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:09.160 ready to call it a night, and then suddenly they're 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:10.200 biting their fingernails. 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:14.800 So yeah, those stories got The bear Cats have all 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:18.640 this talent, and what drives me crazy is being able 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:21.240 to close. That's what That's what they have to do. 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:25.320 Close the deal, win a close game, and who knows 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:27.280 what could happen if that happens. 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:32.000 Well, you know, if they win Monday, they're eight and five. 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:34.920 So is that great? No, not at all. And considering 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:37.400 the records of the other Big twelve schools, you know 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:39.600 it's an upward climb. But you know, eight and five 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:43.000 is a lot different than five and eight, and so 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:46.000 you definitely have a chance to make up the ground 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:48.800 in that league. It's just not you know, you had 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:54.720 some really disappointing games. But again, you know, coach speak 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:57.600 or whatever. You know, come February March, if you make 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:01.560 a run and you're winning, Nobody who even remembers those 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:05.360 November losses. Uh, you know, and there's certainly that Eastern 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:07.640 Michigan hunt is one you want to raise from your 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:11.920 mind forever. That's just a brutal night. 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:13.880 Yeah, that was one of the worst losses I've certainly 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:16.360 seen in my time as a as a UC Bearcat fan. Scott, 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:19.800 you brought up Jisel James coming back probably the headline 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:22.440 of the year so far for this basketball team. What 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:26.480 does he bring offensively and defensively to this program for 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:29.400 West Miller Well experience. 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:32.480 He's a third year player, and I think he brings 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:35.480 confidence when he's on the floor, they just seem as 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:38.800 a unit to be more comfortable. So he's knocked down 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:40.680 a shot so far. I know in the past, you know, 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:44.640 he hasn't exactly been the greatest of Marshman from three, 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:47.920 but he's hit him so far. And he's always had 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:50.320 a decent mid range game. And you know, the kid 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:53.600 can score points. So uh, they just seem more comfortable 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:55.800 with him out there. And then when you add in 0:16:56.720 --> 0:17:00.480 Sincere Harris's defense, he's he's very you know, he can 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:02.600 drive you crazy. I mean he him make a steal 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:05.520 and and then maybe go down and clank the layup 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:09.680 and that that drives you, battie. But you know, every 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:12.520 now and then one might sneak in there. So he 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:16.880 plays defense like an old Bearcat player. And Wes Millers 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:20.520 even said that, and that's something you know, people like 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:23.399 us miss you don't see that that that toughness, that 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:27.119 persistence and all that. And the more those guys, the better. 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:29.400 Would you can would you think that he would continue 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:31.960 to get more playing time as as we go on 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:36.720 in the season. Scott Paris or Gizzle Gizzle James, I'm sorry, 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:39.760 oh I I. 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:40.879 Think he's going to start Monday, but I don't know. 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:43.960 You know, I don't know positively because West doesn't you know, 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:48.199 run the starting lineup by me. But just from listening 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:51.600 to the postgame press conferences and seeing what I've seen, 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:57.440 you know, things have to change. And kerk Crease it 0:17:57.520 --> 0:18:00.359 can be very good, but you know there's times where 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:03.960 he can't hardly hit the backboard and he's just going 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:06.919 down and doing behind the back turnover passes and you 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:07.440 don't need that. 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:11.000 Jizzle brings the sizzle. Man, we want him back. We've 0:18:11.040 --> 0:18:14.080 got him back. Let's let's go. Scott. 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:15.320 I'm happy he is back. 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:15.600 Yeah. 0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:18.200 I mean, I'm a parent of four boys, and first 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:20.200 time I saw him just walking in the crowd, I said, man, 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:21.119 I'm happy to see you. 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:22.080 Fantastic. 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:25.399 You know, kids struggle with stuff, and so I'm glad 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:25.800 he's back. 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:29.159 Yeah, good headline. All right, Scott. Hey, really appreciate you 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:35.200 joining us tonight with the family altogether in town. Thank you, sir, Yes, sir, 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:38.920 I'm off all right, Thanks Scott, appreciate you. Hey, he's 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:42.159 shown McMahon. Great to have him in here tonight. This 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:46.320 is the Chickster chick Ludwig. Man, I've got my coffee, 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:49.600 I've got my computer. All we need is you and 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:52.520 we're glad to have you tonight for three rocking hours 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:56.320 of sports talk reds. Gosh, there's so much going on. 0:18:56.400 --> 0:19:01.320 We're going crazy, college football, basketball, We're getting ready for 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:04.480 the Bengals tomorrow. Even the El's got some news. The 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:08.240 COHL with the strike. No game tonight against the k 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:11.840 Wings at the Heritage Bank Center. So Chick lud Wig 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:18.680 alongside Sean McMahon Sports Talk seven hundred WLW six eight 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:22.920 in the Queen City of Cincinnati. Chick Ludwig alongside Sean McMahon, 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:25.639 A couple of elder guys. But I'm Ohio State and 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:28.320 he's UC and we are having a blast tonight, going 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:31.560 all the way till nine o'clock. Appreciate Scott Springer joining 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:34.840 us talking all things you see football and basketball. Well, 0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:38.440 now it's time to talk some Cincinnati Reds. And it 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:41.680 won't be long until spring training gets here and we're 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:44.240 playing baseball. I can't wait. I can't believe we're already 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:46.760 at this point in the year. Chick around the corner, man, 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:52.040 it really is. And the Reds looking for outfield depth, 0:19:52.440 --> 0:19:55.040 Well they got it. They're getting it. They're getting it 0:19:55.920 --> 0:20:00.359 with the acquisition today of two outfielders, JJ blood Day 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:04.159 who used to play for the Athletics, and then Dane 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:09.359 Meyers in a trade with the Marlins today. So what 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:17.280 does it all mean? Uh? Tito francona manager, has talked 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:24.159 about wanting depth and then wanting versatility, wanting wanting some 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:29.280 players who can win Okay, so these moves are going 0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:34.359 to get absolutely trashed by fans. Okay, it's already coming 0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:41.240 in strong that it's there. They're dumpster diving that reclamation projects, 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:46.760 change of scenery projects. Put them into Great American Ballpark, 0:20:47.040 --> 0:20:49.880 which is a small park, and let's see what they 0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:52.320 can do. What do you think, Sean? 0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:54.120 It kind of just feels like more of the same. 0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:57.720 I hate to say it, but it's nothing that excites me. 0:20:57.800 --> 0:20:57.919 Now. 0:20:58.000 --> 0:21:00.399 I'm I'm not a baseball manager and I'm not I 0:21:00.440 --> 0:21:04.200 don't run an organization, so I can't in depth tell 0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:06.639 you exactly what the Reds need. But this feels like 0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:09.760 more of the same that they've gone for in the past. This, 0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:12.920 this just feels like they're just redecorating. They're just they're 0:21:12.960 --> 0:21:15.280 just changing. They're putting lipstick on a pig. It feels like. 0:21:15.440 --> 0:21:21.120 Will Myers, Nick Martini, Austin Slater, Connor, Joe Tommy fam 0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:25.239 Garrett Hampson, Bubba Thompson, the names go on and on 0:21:25.280 --> 0:21:29.520 and on and on the thing with to me acquiring 0:21:29.640 --> 0:21:33.960 these two guys, you want competition, yep? Okay, And like 0:21:34.040 --> 0:21:38.120 I said, Tito Francona has talked about, uh, depth. You 0:21:38.160 --> 0:21:42.359 want to you want to give TJ. Friedel a little 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:44.159 bit of time off every once in a while in 0:21:44.240 --> 0:21:48.920 center field because he was ground down, uh in September 0:21:49.000 --> 0:21:51.240 last year. You could see it too, You actually see it. 0:21:52.320 --> 0:22:00.400 So with TJ. Friedel in center and the former third 0:22:00.440 --> 0:22:07.320 baseman now playing in right field. But you've got Will Benson, 0:22:07.640 --> 0:22:10.440 You've got Reese Hines, You've got Blake Donne, you've got 0:22:10.480 --> 0:22:15.520 Tyler Callahan. With these two guys automatically give you is 0:22:15.720 --> 0:22:19.360 great competition. Yeah, so may the best man and may 0:22:19.400 --> 0:22:20.680 the best men win. 0:22:21.400 --> 0:22:23.520 One thing I wondered, Chick, is if you are able 0:22:23.560 --> 0:22:26.399 to give guys like TJ. Friedo breaks, or able to 0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:29.359 rotate guys in and out of the outfield, how could 0:22:29.359 --> 0:22:32.560 that help them offensively? You know, giving guys time off. 0:22:32.600 --> 0:22:35.320 How could that help improve their batting at the plate? 0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:39.040 You know, we'll see you would hope that would have 0:22:39.080 --> 0:22:40.520 a positive effect on everybody. 0:22:40.920 --> 0:22:43.200 You know, like you said, TJ. Friedo got ground down, 0:22:43.200 --> 0:22:45.640 he got tired at the end of the year. Could 0:22:45.720 --> 0:22:48.040 that help him in other areas? 0:22:48.560 --> 0:22:50.960 It's tough to say at this point, obviously, but we'll 0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:53.720 see how it helps the Reds in terms of their 0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:56.160 depth and longevity as well. 0:22:56.200 --> 0:22:57.919 What I like the fact that guys show up at 0:22:57.920 --> 0:23:01.800 the ballpark knowing, did you you better be ready because 0:23:01.800 --> 0:23:04.400 you're going to come into the game as a defensive 0:23:04.440 --> 0:23:08.640 replacement or or a pinch runner, pinch hitter. And Noel 0:23:08.720 --> 0:23:12.880 v Marte looks like he's got the lead in right field. Yeah, 0:23:12.920 --> 0:23:17.439 and TJ Friedel this club needs power in left field. 0:23:17.600 --> 0:23:26.200 It's it's that simple. And hopefully if JJ Bledet can improve, 0:23:26.520 --> 0:23:29.119 and we saw some good numbers from him in twenty 0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:33.160 twenty four with the A's twenty home runs forty three doubles, 0:23:33.200 --> 0:23:36.879 he did back two forty three and he's he's really 0:23:37.040 --> 0:23:40.720 cheap at one point four million, So yeah, money's not 0:23:40.720 --> 0:23:42.960 a concern for either of these guys. And you've got 0:23:43.080 --> 0:23:44.240 you know, they're decent hitters. 0:23:44.440 --> 0:23:46.640 About two forty two to fifty for both of them, 0:23:46.920 --> 0:23:49.000 which in today's league isn't bad. A lot of people 0:23:49.000 --> 0:23:50.439 look at that and they scoff at that. But with 0:23:50.480 --> 0:23:53.359 the way that today's hitters are hitting, not many people 0:23:53.359 --> 0:23:55.720 are actually hitting above three hundred, so two forty two 0:23:55.720 --> 0:23:58.480 to fifty is probably slightly above league average, maybe right 0:23:58.520 --> 0:23:59.040 about there. 0:23:59.160 --> 0:24:03.120 Well, and Dane mais bat in two thirty five last year, 0:24:03.520 --> 0:24:05.960 six home runs, thirty one RBIs in one hundred and 0:24:06.040 --> 0:24:09.440 six games, six seventeen ops as well. Yeah, yeah, right 0:24:09.440 --> 0:24:14.240 handed hitter. He's right handed and JJ Bletate lefty, so 0:24:14.960 --> 0:24:16.040 both highly thought of. 0:24:16.840 --> 0:24:17.040 Man. 0:24:17.200 --> 0:24:21.360 Fourth overall pick was JJ the day coming out of Vanderbilt. Yeah, 0:24:21.400 --> 0:24:23.639 with the with the Marlins, and then he gets traded 0:24:23.680 --> 0:24:26.560 to the Athletics, So, uh, want don't know what the 0:24:26.640 --> 0:24:31.320 fans think. Is this love here? Are we rearranging deck 0:24:31.400 --> 0:24:35.440 chairs on the Titanic? Or could these guys amount to something? 0:24:35.560 --> 0:24:35.680 You know? 0:24:35.800 --> 0:24:37.960 One thing, Chick that I heard Lance bring up was 0:24:39.160 --> 0:24:41.080 why did the Reds seem like they never go after 0:24:41.200 --> 0:24:43.880 players who are good right now? Yeah, they go after 0:24:43.960 --> 0:24:46.520 guys who were were good and at one point in 0:24:46.600 --> 0:24:49.359 their career and you just hope that they're going to 0:24:49.440 --> 0:24:52.639 be a spark for this team and it's really never 0:24:52.720 --> 0:24:56.320 worked out it. The first name that comes to mind 0:24:56.359 --> 0:24:58.600 for me is Mike Mustakis. Yes, that was the guy 0:24:58.640 --> 0:25:00.359 who I remember when the red signed him, I felt 0:25:00.359 --> 0:25:02.960 like a big deal. It really did ended up being 0:25:03.040 --> 0:25:05.720 kind of a nothing burger, which stinks. You never want 0:25:05.760 --> 0:25:07.679 you never you always want these guys to work out, right, 0:25:07.760 --> 0:25:09.320 you want them to be comeback Player of the Year 0:25:09.359 --> 0:25:11.639 and to have the best year they possibly can. By 0:25:11.720 --> 0:25:15.240 no means is anybody rooting against these guys. But you know, 0:25:15.320 --> 0:25:17.720 why can't they go after guys that are are killing 0:25:17.760 --> 0:25:19.320 it in the league right now? 0:25:19.560 --> 0:25:24.320 At least it's not costing them a lot like Candelarios 0:25:24.400 --> 0:25:28.600 and uh and Mike Mustakas those those hurt. That's rough 0:25:28.800 --> 0:25:31.800 they really did. Hey, yea, we got time to go 0:25:31.920 --> 0:25:36.480 out through the phones. We got Bill in Monroe, Bill 0:25:39.560 --> 0:25:42.560 by your season tickets Bill with these two signings. 0:25:43.920 --> 0:25:44.520 Not at all. 0:25:46.040 --> 0:25:48.520 I got my pack for Christmas, for their lives, and 0:25:48.720 --> 0:25:51.639 that's about what we did last year. But I just 0:25:51.760 --> 0:25:53.080 don't understand you have. 0:25:53.119 --> 0:25:55.200 A glaring need. You had this need for two or 0:25:55.240 --> 0:25:55.760 three years. 0:25:55.800 --> 0:25:58.720 They're competitive, they need something to put them over the top. 0:25:59.600 --> 0:26:01.800 And they this kid going back to General Dollar to 0:26:01.880 --> 0:26:03.720 try to find it here to fill that spot, and 0:26:03.800 --> 0:26:04.680 it's not gonna happen. 0:26:05.200 --> 0:26:09.080 What's crazy, Bill? To me, what's crazy is they offered 0:26:09.440 --> 0:26:13.600 Kyle Schwarber a boatload of money, what one hundred and 0:26:13.640 --> 0:26:17.960 twenty million over five years, So the money was there, 0:26:18.600 --> 0:26:22.400 then all of a sudden, no it's not We're back 0:26:22.480 --> 0:26:25.879 to the payroll from last year and where did the 0:26:25.920 --> 0:26:26.280 money go? 0:26:27.240 --> 0:26:30.720 Yeah, chick, I don't even understand the Schwarber thing because 0:26:30.880 --> 0:26:34.720 I'm from Monroe here. I mean my Wiatt babysat Kyle Schwarber. 0:26:35.359 --> 0:26:37.480 But she works have been around local school as you 0:26:37.560 --> 0:26:43.440 might even know her. But the trick is Kyle Schwarber 0:26:43.480 --> 0:26:45.640 would have been worth and I don't know how who's 0:26:45.680 --> 0:26:47.920 doing the mass of the Reds, but they're not very good. 0:26:48.480 --> 0:26:50.800 Kyle Schwarber would have probably that would project be worth 0:26:50.800 --> 0:26:52.560 at least ten to twelve million a year to the 0:26:52.600 --> 0:26:58.439 Reds when all of a sudden done and you project 0:26:58.480 --> 0:27:01.920 that over five years, that's sixty million. If the Reds 0:27:01.920 --> 0:27:03.840 are going to jump a guy like Kyleg Swarber, you've 0:27:03.880 --> 0:27:04.879 got to offer him. 0:27:04.800 --> 0:27:06.240 More than what everybody else is. 0:27:06.560 --> 0:27:08.840 He would have taken one hundred and fifty million from 0:27:08.880 --> 0:27:12.560 the Reds and done it gladly and been worth more 0:27:12.640 --> 0:27:15.720 than that down the road. But the short sightedness and 0:27:15.920 --> 0:27:19.440 just the repetition, it just breaks your heart. Because the 0:27:19.560 --> 0:27:24.000 Reds have great pitching, they have great young players, they 0:27:24.359 --> 0:27:27.760 have position players, but they need that bopper in their lineup. 0:27:27.840 --> 0:27:30.720 I mean it's not rocket scientry, and you just don't 0:27:30.720 --> 0:27:34.160 see him doing any of that. Luise Robert, the guy 0:27:34.200 --> 0:27:36.960 hasn't played a full year in six years for the 0:27:37.000 --> 0:27:37.600 White Sox. 0:27:37.720 --> 0:27:38.760 You're absolutely right. 0:27:38.920 --> 0:27:41.920 I mean you've got to go after somebody and be 0:27:42.040 --> 0:27:45.280 aggressive doing it. I mean, like it's urgent. Don't try 0:27:45.320 --> 0:27:47.439 to talk a guy down like kyleege Schwarbery. I mean, 0:27:47.480 --> 0:27:50.399 he's only led what two straight years and home runs. 0:27:51.320 --> 0:27:53.359 I hear guys knocking because he's going to strike out 0:27:53.400 --> 0:27:55.720 two hundred times. He's not there to play defense, and 0:27:55.800 --> 0:27:58.080 he's not there because he strikes up. He's there because 0:27:58.080 --> 0:28:00.199 he knocks in about one hundred and thirty five one 0:28:00.280 --> 0:28:02.159 hundred and forty runs a year. He's going to hit 0:28:02.200 --> 0:28:05.520 you fifty or sixty home runs. Bill is what answers 0:28:05.600 --> 0:28:06.320 what the Reds need? 0:28:06.520 --> 0:28:06.680 Bill? 0:28:06.760 --> 0:28:08.280 What does it say to you as a fan when 0:28:08.320 --> 0:28:10.600 the Reds make these kinds of signings? What what message 0:28:10.640 --> 0:28:13.080 do you get from the organization when when you see 0:28:13.119 --> 0:28:14.200 them go after guys like this? 0:28:15.760 --> 0:28:19.240 Well, I doubt that I'm very different than any of 0:28:19.320 --> 0:28:22.840 the average fans. You're a fan because you're passionate about 0:28:22.880 --> 0:28:26.360 a sport. I'm an Ohio State football, Kentucky basketball fan. 0:28:27.440 --> 0:28:30.040 These guys go after what they want and they do 0:28:30.200 --> 0:28:33.159 it knowing that they're going to put a great product 0:28:33.240 --> 0:28:33.760 on the field. 0:28:35.880 --> 0:28:41.200 Ain't bad. Well, I'm with you with the guys, yes, sir. 0:28:41.760 --> 0:28:46.560 But but but when you're talking about the Reds, Cincinnati 0:28:46.680 --> 0:28:49.840 fans have not only been they're passionate and they've been patient. 0:28:51.600 --> 0:28:54.200 Is this time for Casteline and that family to either 0:28:54.240 --> 0:28:55.239 put up or shut up? 0:28:55.480 --> 0:28:56.800 Do you think they've been too patient? 0:28:56.840 --> 0:28:57.040 Bill? 0:28:58.440 --> 0:28:58.720 What's that? 0:28:58.920 --> 0:29:00.680 Do you think Red fans have been too patient? 0:29:01.480 --> 0:29:04.240 And I think that's to their credit since they baseball 0:29:04.320 --> 0:29:07.120 fans are are are are true read I mean they're 0:29:07.120 --> 0:29:10.240 they're they're they're purists, and they are they are passionate. 0:29:10.600 --> 0:29:13.160 But my gosh, man, either do what you said you're 0:29:13.200 --> 0:29:17.560 going to do or the true giveaway was where you're 0:29:17.560 --> 0:29:20.560 gonna go. I mean might have been something we laugh about, 0:29:20.640 --> 0:29:22.880 but they don't know just how accurate that was. 0:29:23.080 --> 0:29:24.800 Well, then what about the comment they made about the 0:29:24.840 --> 0:29:27.440 ticket sales too, after they couldn't get Kyle Schwarber right 0:29:27.720 --> 0:29:29.200 about him driving ticket sales. 0:29:30.440 --> 0:29:34.040 Well, when you got such short sightedness, like I said, 0:29:34.480 --> 0:29:36.440 Kyle Schwarber, you may be paying him. 0:29:36.960 --> 0:29:38.560 I mean he was worth thirty million a year. 0:29:38.640 --> 0:29:41.360 He's yeah, but you may have been paying him one 0:29:41.400 --> 0:29:43.479 hundred and fifty but his total worth might have been 0:29:43.920 --> 0:29:46.920 two hundred and fifty million. How can you not see 0:29:47.040 --> 0:29:50.320 that the local guy comes home. I mean, just like 0:29:50.400 --> 0:29:54.920 he did with Griffy. You bring these Cincinnati guys home 0:29:55.360 --> 0:29:57.320 and and Red Spans is gonna show out. 0:29:57.760 --> 0:29:58.520 They're gonna be there. 0:29:58.520 --> 0:30:00.880 They're gonna buy stuff, They're gonna show the games, They're 0:30:00.920 --> 0:30:01.960 gonna buy the jerseys. 0:30:03.160 --> 0:30:05.880 I'll agree with you. Hey, we've got to run. Hey, 0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:10.240 appreciate the call, Thank you, sir. One thing about this 0:30:10.360 --> 0:30:14.200 city chick is though, and we've got touchdown Tommy calling 0:30:14.280 --> 0:30:17.640 in from Milford, our favorite eagle, Tommy. 0:30:18.960 --> 0:30:22.320 Are you there? But well you say, chicks there? All right. 0:30:23.000 --> 0:30:24.640 Great to hear your voice as always. 0:30:25.680 --> 0:30:27.680 It's always good to talk to you guys as well. Hey, 0:30:27.680 --> 0:30:29.600 I kind of caught the back end. Just came out 0:30:29.600 --> 0:30:31.600 of Cooper's Hawk. Had a great, great time there. But 0:30:33.000 --> 0:30:34.680 the thing I got with the reds Man, the hard 0:30:34.760 --> 0:30:37.080 part is that everybody's got to understand there is no 0:30:37.440 --> 0:30:40.480 there is no payroll caps, you know, and you know 0:30:40.560 --> 0:30:43.120 when you're gonna compete against La and New York, and 0:30:43.600 --> 0:30:46.200 you can't afford to buy players. And the players you're 0:30:46.200 --> 0:30:48.840 gonna buy, our guys are either past their prime or 0:30:49.120 --> 0:30:52.120 you're looking for lightning in a bottle. You know, it's unfortunate, 0:30:52.640 --> 0:30:54.360 you know, and then you make bad moves. I mean, 0:30:54.600 --> 0:30:56.440 you know, Candelara, I mean that that hurts you from 0:30:56.520 --> 0:30:59.320 Pittsburgh got sixteen million dollars. I mean, that's that's almost 0:30:59.360 --> 0:31:02.080 ten percent of more than ten percent of your payer 0:31:02.080 --> 0:31:04.440 are not getting anything out of it. And guess what's 0:31:04.480 --> 0:31:07.200 gonna happen with day La Cruz. Where's that gonna go? 0:31:08.240 --> 0:31:10.920 They're gonna get more draft picks and players, and because 0:31:10.920 --> 0:31:13.560 they're not gonna be to afford him either. Yeah, the 0:31:13.840 --> 0:31:15.640 Reds fans are just in a bad spot. 0:31:15.760 --> 0:31:15.920 Man. 0:31:16.480 --> 0:31:19.160 It would have been nice to get him signed a 0:31:19.240 --> 0:31:21.880 here or two ago. Really for the long term. 0:31:22.120 --> 0:31:23.000 Yeah, who knows. 0:31:23.920 --> 0:31:27.120 Yeah, they're gonna have to open up that pocketbook for that. Wow, 0:31:27.200 --> 0:31:31.600 they're gonna have to the breaks truck for there's no doubt. 0:31:32.680 --> 0:31:34.479 And you know what, you know what's gonna happen. I mean, 0:31:34.600 --> 0:31:36.640 for pr they're gonna have to do it. But you know, 0:31:36.760 --> 0:31:39.560 Casoline doesn't have the cash. I mean, unfortunately, he's an 0:31:39.600 --> 0:31:42.360 owner that runs as a business versus many of these 0:31:42.400 --> 0:31:46.880 owners run this as a hobby. I mean financially, I mean, 0:31:47.080 --> 0:31:49.680 we just can't compete in that space. And you know, unfortunately, 0:31:49.720 --> 0:31:52.040 it's gonna be interesting if the NFL got it right 0:31:52.360 --> 0:31:54.640 by putting a salary cap in there. It allows middle 0:31:54.720 --> 0:31:57.880 market teams to participate. And when the Reds don't do 0:31:58.040 --> 0:32:01.520 well drafting, you've got nowhere else picked up players. And 0:32:01.600 --> 0:32:03.800 if you look at their starting lineup, I think half 0:32:03.880 --> 0:32:06.760 of their starting lineup, maybe even slightly more than that, 0:32:07.040 --> 0:32:08.480 are guys they picked up in trade. 0:32:08.520 --> 0:32:12.640 They were in guys they developed well, and they're just hoping. 0:32:12.880 --> 0:32:17.680 The Spencer Steers of the world and yeah, you know, 0:32:18.000 --> 0:32:20.280 and some of the free agents they've picked up will 0:32:20.440 --> 0:32:26.760 just continue to improve. And I'm I'm excited about South Stewart. 0:32:27.080 --> 0:32:29.400 The guy can play first base. He can d h. 0:32:29.960 --> 0:32:32.280 I love Spencer Steer, my favorite player. He can play 0:32:32.360 --> 0:32:36.280 left field, first base, So there's some versatility there. They're 0:32:36.360 --> 0:32:38.840 just trying to catch lightning in a bottle here with 0:32:38.960 --> 0:32:44.560 the two guys that they acquired today, So we will see. 0:32:44.720 --> 0:32:48.240 It's frustrating, it is, right, Yeah, but it's you know, 0:32:48.480 --> 0:32:51.400 the good news is the guys you talked about, they're 0:32:51.480 --> 0:32:54.920 great teammates. I mean, and Frankcona is a great guy 0:32:55.320 --> 0:32:58.479 in the clubhouse. I mean, as a fan, you can 0:32:58.560 --> 0:33:01.080 at least root for good guys, right, Yeah, you don't 0:33:01.080 --> 0:33:04.240 have trouble makers. You got guys that are trying to overachieve. 0:33:04.600 --> 0:33:06.720 I mean there's something about you know, taking the lunch 0:33:06.760 --> 0:33:10.280 pail to work and essentially, you know, make making you know, 0:33:10.360 --> 0:33:12.440 limit lemon lemonade out of lemons, you know. 0:33:12.840 --> 0:33:17.120 And everybody I talked to Tommy loves Will Benson do 0:33:17.440 --> 0:33:21.880 the Reds love y? Is it time to uh fish 0:33:22.000 --> 0:33:23.160 or cut bait with this guy? 0:33:23.960 --> 0:33:27.959 I like him, but just too And yeah, I mean, 0:33:28.560 --> 0:33:30.280 you know, you know what it's like. I mean, you know, 0:33:30.440 --> 0:33:33.640 a baseball player, unlike football, you got one hundred and 0:33:33.760 --> 0:33:36.760 sixty two games. You could get hot for twenty games 0:33:36.840 --> 0:33:38.760 and if you're if you if you stink for one 0:33:38.840 --> 0:33:41.840 hundred and forty, you stink. Right In NFL, you have 0:33:41.920 --> 0:33:43.640 a couple of good games, you're still a good player. 0:33:43.680 --> 0:33:46.720 But unfortunately it's a grind, and some guys aren't aren't 0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:49.040 ready for the grind. And when you look at Benson. 0:33:49.360 --> 0:33:50.760 I mean he looks like a thoroughbred. 0:33:50.880 --> 0:33:52.320 Yes, I mean, how big that guy. 0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:54.560 And he's got a cannon yeah, you know, and he 0:33:54.640 --> 0:33:56.600 improved last year bad swing, Yeah. 0:33:56.480 --> 0:33:58.160 He improved his swing last year. 0:33:58.680 --> 0:34:01.840 So uh And and the Reds don't have a whole 0:34:01.840 --> 0:34:03.760 lot of money any so, I mean, you can kind 0:34:03.800 --> 0:34:06.120 of live with some of that, but unfortunately you can't 0:34:06.160 --> 0:34:08.719 be in your starting eight. They're starting nine, you know, 0:34:08.800 --> 0:34:11.399 because you got to have a guy that produces every day. Yeah, 0:34:11.560 --> 0:34:13.760 and they still need they need pumper in the outfield. 0:34:13.760 --> 0:34:15.120 They still need an outfield thumper. 0:34:16.360 --> 0:34:16.480 You know. 0:34:17.440 --> 0:34:19.239 I like Freido and I like you blah blah blah. 0:34:19.239 --> 0:34:21.240 You know, but they're they're good. They're good role players. 0:34:21.680 --> 0:34:24.120 You know, you need you need a stud. And I 0:34:24.280 --> 0:34:26.279 was hoping they're gonna draft one three years ago and 0:34:26.320 --> 0:34:27.680 they still haven't drafted a stud. 0:34:27.880 --> 0:34:31.920 We're hoping that Noel Marte can can be that guy. Uh, 0:34:32.360 --> 0:34:35.640 he shows signs. They all show glimpses, don't they, Tommy. 0:34:37.560 --> 0:34:39.680 Yeah, I mean, like I said, I mean, it's uh, 0:34:39.960 --> 0:34:42.480 you know, it's uh, they look good dressed up. But 0:34:42.600 --> 0:34:44.359 I mean, look at the score book and the box 0:34:44.360 --> 0:34:45.759 score at the end of the game. It was like 0:34:46.400 --> 0:34:48.560 no impact or order to get hot. One game and 0:34:48.600 --> 0:34:49.680 they're gone for three games. 0:34:49.760 --> 0:34:51.920 Turn them into the gas house gang. Let them steal, 0:34:52.120 --> 0:34:55.440 get on base and steal and uh because it's just 0:34:55.520 --> 0:34:58.080 not a power hitting team. They need a stud to 0:34:58.400 --> 0:35:01.840 hit the ball over the wall at gab and Tommy, 0:35:01.880 --> 0:35:04.120 we got a run, man, It's always great hearing you. 0:35:05.320 --> 0:35:07.000 Absolutely Man. We'll go rads man. 0:35:07.040 --> 0:35:07.960 I'm still behind him. 0:35:07.960 --> 0:35:10.480 But hopefully they get a couple of good you know, 0:35:10.840 --> 0:35:12.759 couple of lightnings in a bottle like we talked about. 0:35:12.800 --> 0:35:13.600 You know, it could happen. 0:35:13.880 --> 0:35:17.239 Fantastic, All right, Tommy, I appreciate you, thanks so much. 0:35:17.280 --> 0:35:20.200 As a sports talk the Chickster chick Ludwig with Shawn 0:35:20.280 --> 0:36:00.600 dick Mann on seven hundred at w LW seven oh 0:36:00.719 --> 0:36:03.640 six in the Queens City of Cincinnati. Chicklog Wigs seven 0:36:03.760 --> 0:36:08.399 hundred WLW sitting alongside Sean McMahon co host tonight, it's 0:36:08.440 --> 0:36:11.239 an honor, pleasure and privilege to welcome in our next guest. 0:36:11.680 --> 0:36:15.120 He's a Bengals insider. He writes for clans since he 0:36:15.280 --> 0:36:18.279 dot com. He's the author of the Jungle Roar Pod. 0:36:19.000 --> 0:36:20.920 You know him as Trags. You can follow him on 0:36:21.040 --> 0:36:24.759 Twitter at trags. He is Mike Petrellia Mike, Happy New 0:36:24.840 --> 0:36:28.560 Year to you. And two thirds of the Bermuda Triangle 0:36:29.000 --> 0:36:32.240 play tomorrow at pay Course Stadium. The only team missing 0:36:32.360 --> 0:36:36.400 is the Jets, but Boomerisiasin calls the Jets, the Cardinals 0:36:36.520 --> 0:36:38.680 and the Bengals the Bermuda Triangle. 0:36:39.840 --> 0:36:42.040 I'm glad you filled me in there, check And by 0:36:42.080 --> 0:36:45.879 the way, Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, Happy twenty twenty six 0:36:46.000 --> 0:36:49.240 from not only me, but a former colleague of yours, 0:36:49.320 --> 0:36:51.120 a lovely Debora am Tucker. 0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:55.000 So she sends her greetings. We appreciate that. I thought 0:36:55.040 --> 0:36:55.720 you would appreciate. 0:36:56.000 --> 0:36:58.640 Thank you very much, And Trags did last week at 0:36:58.760 --> 0:37:04.880 least remind us us of what could be what hopefully 0:37:05.040 --> 0:37:07.919 will be next season when you've got the big three 0:37:08.040 --> 0:37:09.279 on the field at the same time. 0:37:10.480 --> 0:37:13.560 Yes, I don't think there's any question about that, especially 0:37:14.719 --> 0:37:16.960 if you have Chase Brown as productive as he was 0:37:17.040 --> 0:37:20.000 in the run game and the run blocking as strong 0:37:20.080 --> 0:37:22.919 as it was last week. That's to me what really 0:37:23.000 --> 0:37:26.080 opens up the pass game for the Bengals this team, 0:37:26.440 --> 0:37:29.280 when they have all of their weapons on the field 0:37:29.360 --> 0:37:32.640 at the same time and the blocking is just respectable. 0:37:32.640 --> 0:37:35.440 It doesn't even have to be spectacular. If it's respectable, 0:37:36.600 --> 0:37:41.120 this offense is almost impossible to defend. And that's what 0:37:41.239 --> 0:37:45.960 the Bengals had schemed up in the offseason, at least offensively. 0:37:46.040 --> 0:37:49.040 When you resigned Jamar Chase and t Higgins and you 0:37:49.160 --> 0:37:51.440 know you have Chase Brown under control for the next 0:37:51.520 --> 0:37:55.719 couple of seasons. That's what the Bengals envisioned. They did 0:37:55.840 --> 0:38:00.680 not envision the defense falling apart and being as ill 0:38:00.840 --> 0:38:05.080 suited to handle the you know, the core of the 0:38:05.160 --> 0:38:06.360 season and the bulk of. 0:38:06.400 --> 0:38:08.920 The season, I should say, the way it has. And 0:38:09.320 --> 0:38:11.120 you know, they got a. 0:38:11.600 --> 0:38:15.480 Tremendously bad break in the injury to Joe Burrow obviously, 0:38:16.480 --> 0:38:20.400 but that is separate and apart from the defense failing 0:38:20.480 --> 0:38:21.319 them the way they did. 0:38:22.400 --> 0:38:25.960 Mike Petrelli is with us trags and great story off 0:38:26.080 --> 0:38:30.759 on cl nssinc dot com. Jamar Chase try to get 0:38:30.800 --> 0:38:32.520 into the end zone? Are you kidding me? For the 0:38:32.600 --> 0:38:35.680 first time since October sixteen? Doesn't seem that. 0:38:35.800 --> 0:38:36.680 Long, but it is. 0:38:38.160 --> 0:38:42.480 It is, and it's because the defenses have made him 0:38:42.600 --> 0:38:45.239 the priority to shut down. I mean, when people say, 0:38:45.760 --> 0:38:48.360 you know, you can't pick and choose between T. Higgins 0:38:48.400 --> 0:38:52.480 and Jamar Chase. Well, defenses have picked Jamar Chase to 0:38:52.560 --> 0:38:56.360 shut down. T. Higgins is going to make his fifty 0:38:56.360 --> 0:39:00.319 to fifty catches high pointing the ball like he does 0:39:00.400 --> 0:39:03.239 all the time, but they do not want Jamar Chase 0:39:03.320 --> 0:39:06.839 exploding down the field because I think defensive coordinators feel 0:39:06.960 --> 0:39:11.200 like if Jamar Chase gets his rhythm going in a game, 0:39:11.320 --> 0:39:12.239 he's almost. 0:39:11.920 --> 0:39:14.800 Impossible to stop. Whereas with T. 0:39:15.040 --> 0:39:18.000 Higgins, he's going to make it you know, maybe a 0:39:18.080 --> 0:39:21.280 player or two big downfield. But he is a different 0:39:21.320 --> 0:39:25.520 type of receiver in terms of his explosiveness. So teams 0:39:25.600 --> 0:39:29.680 have shown a lot of double cloud to Higgins and 0:39:29.880 --> 0:39:34.320 Jamar Chase, a lot of double teams, bracketing coverage, special 0:39:34.400 --> 0:39:38.239 gimmick defenses on Jamar Chase, all designed to shut Number 0:39:38.320 --> 0:39:40.799 one down and keep him out of the end zone. 0:39:41.000 --> 0:39:45.919 Even that being said, Jamar Chase last week and even 0:39:46.000 --> 0:39:48.799 in the game against the Baltimore Ravens when they were 0:39:48.800 --> 0:39:51.279 shut out, he had ten catches for one hundred and 0:39:51.360 --> 0:39:54.200 twenty yards. He's still going to put up numbers. Bengals 0:39:54.239 --> 0:39:56.040 are going to still find ways to. 0:39:56.120 --> 0:39:56.879 Get him the ball. 0:39:57.000 --> 0:40:00.200 But what defenses have decided to do is make sure 0:40:00.239 --> 0:40:03.239 you keep Jamar in front of him and keep him 0:40:03.280 --> 0:40:04.560 out of the end zone tricks. 0:40:04.560 --> 0:40:07.960 Do you think part of helping Jamar get into the 0:40:08.120 --> 0:40:10.719 end zone is making improvements in the running game for 0:40:10.800 --> 0:40:11.720 the Bengals offense. 0:40:12.960 --> 0:40:16.360 Yeah, no question, Sean. Because when you can run the 0:40:16.440 --> 0:40:17.279 ball and you. 0:40:19.280 --> 0:40:22.600 Demand the respect of the opposing defense to run the ball, 0:40:22.960 --> 0:40:25.320 you spread out the defense in the red zone. 0:40:25.719 --> 0:40:28.080 When you don't all of your. 0:40:28.080 --> 0:40:32.600 Resources from the linebackers on back to the secondary and 0:40:33.200 --> 0:40:36.919 the specialized defenses that are designed for the red zone, 0:40:37.040 --> 0:40:40.080 especially low red zone, which is inside the ten yard line, 0:40:40.440 --> 0:40:44.359 they can shut down your receivers much more easily, make 0:40:44.440 --> 0:40:47.880 the space and the windows much tighter. That's what the 0:40:47.920 --> 0:40:51.200 Bengals have faced pretty much all season long. But in 0:40:51.320 --> 0:40:53.919 the games where Chase Brown has been able to run 0:40:54.000 --> 0:40:56.919 the ball effectively in the low red zone, and let's 0:40:56.960 --> 0:41:00.200 not forget some AJP rhyme, when those two can run 0:41:00.320 --> 0:41:04.239 the ball, it takes at least one linebacker, perhaps two 0:41:04.719 --> 0:41:07.919 depending on how well the Bengals are running the ball, 0:41:08.440 --> 0:41:12.440 and gives you know, more one on one opportunities in 0:41:12.600 --> 0:41:15.040 the red area in the end zone itself. 0:41:15.560 --> 0:41:19.040 For Chase Higgins and Andrea Josebash. 0:41:19.280 --> 0:41:23.480 Never going to complain for a victory in the National 0:41:23.520 --> 0:41:25.719 Football League. A lot of fans are screaming that it 0:41:25.760 --> 0:41:29.399 didn't mean anything. It could possibly cost them a higher 0:41:29.520 --> 0:41:34.320 draft pick. But drags, you are playing for thirty two teams, 0:41:34.400 --> 0:41:36.640 the one you're on now, in thirty one other clubs, 0:41:36.640 --> 0:41:38.920 you better bring it every Sunday, every snap. 0:41:40.320 --> 0:41:42.960 Well, here's the thing about that, chicken. It's a great point. 0:41:43.880 --> 0:41:46.839 People can make the argument about the draft picks all 0:41:46.920 --> 0:41:50.160 they want, but the thing, given where the Bengals are 0:41:50.200 --> 0:41:53.760 going to be drafting, you know, in the high single digits, 0:41:53.960 --> 0:41:57.600 you know, eighth, ninth, maybe tenth, or the low teams 0:41:57.680 --> 0:42:00.960 wherever they wind up drafting. If they win let's say 0:42:01.040 --> 0:42:05.320 seven games, the young players on this defense that the 0:42:05.360 --> 0:42:08.520 Bengals are counting on have to show something going into 0:42:08.560 --> 0:42:11.640 twenty twenty six. They have to show the coaching staff 0:42:11.960 --> 0:42:16.239 that they belong on an NFL defense going into next year, 0:42:16.520 --> 0:42:19.960 that Al Golden can rely on them going forward. Because 0:42:20.040 --> 0:42:23.719 Al Golden and Zach Taylor will be back next year. 0:42:23.880 --> 0:42:26.160 You can almost take it to the bank right now. 0:42:26.280 --> 0:42:28.880 They're not going to be any changes in that regard, 0:42:28.960 --> 0:42:32.440 and if that is the case, then both of them, 0:42:32.560 --> 0:42:35.520 especially Al Golden, need to know who they can rely 0:42:35.719 --> 0:42:39.040 on going into next year. That's why these last three 0:42:39.200 --> 0:42:43.160 games last week in Miami included matters so much. It 0:42:43.400 --> 0:42:46.959 matters on the defense. These defensive players have to show 0:42:47.040 --> 0:42:51.640 that they have made strides from those Jets and Bears 0:42:52.760 --> 0:42:57.320 games that were absolute disasters, unqualified disasters, to the point 0:42:57.440 --> 0:43:01.360 now where they're playing respectively, and it's a lot easier 0:43:01.440 --> 0:43:04.040 to also play defense when you're playing with the lead, 0:43:04.160 --> 0:43:08.080 which Bengals did not do a good job of midway 0:43:08.160 --> 0:43:11.000 through the season. So that is what the Bengals are 0:43:11.040 --> 0:43:14.360 playing for in these last two games. The defense of 0:43:14.440 --> 0:43:17.360 the young players like Barrett Carter, Demetrius Knight. 0:43:17.239 --> 0:43:18.800 Junior Shamar Stewart. 0:43:18.880 --> 0:43:21.799 How about him, Let's see him get at his first 0:43:21.880 --> 0:43:25.600 career sack tomorrow against Arizona. I think that's something you 0:43:25.680 --> 0:43:28.440 can also be on the lookout for, not just Jamar 0:43:28.600 --> 0:43:31.000 Chase finding the end zone for the first time in 0:43:31.080 --> 0:43:31.560 two months. 0:43:32.200 --> 0:43:35.880 Triggs, we don't quite have a full year sample size 0:43:36.160 --> 0:43:39.480 of an Al Golden defense, but year to year, are 0:43:39.520 --> 0:43:41.759 have you seen anything from Al Golden that you. 0:43:42.000 --> 0:43:44.200 Like so far? Yeah? 0:43:44.280 --> 0:43:47.200 I do think the way he is manipulated the players 0:43:47.239 --> 0:43:50.040 and used him in different positions. I think the fact 0:43:50.080 --> 0:43:52.640 that he can use some of his corners inside and outside, 0:43:52.680 --> 0:44:00.200 specifically Dax Hill, helps the Bengals play more defenses. He 0:44:00.400 --> 0:44:04.800 can scheme up more defenses to stop passing driven league, 0:44:04.960 --> 0:44:07.799 especially when you've got guys. You know, Patrick Mahomes will 0:44:07.840 --> 0:44:10.960 come back healthy, no doubt. Josh Allen, you know that's 0:44:11.080 --> 0:44:14.080 that game against Buffalo. Go back and watch the first 0:44:14.120 --> 0:44:17.320 three quarters and how good the defense played. He played 0:44:18.000 --> 0:44:23.120 very very well. Obviously, you know, the turnovers change that game. 0:44:23.239 --> 0:44:26.759 Not really the bad defense, but the turnovers back to 0:44:26.880 --> 0:44:29.640 back passes by Joe Burrow really flipped that game. The 0:44:29.680 --> 0:44:32.680 Bengals win that game on the road. We have a 0:44:32.880 --> 0:44:36.440 different take on the Bengals defense for the last six 0:44:36.560 --> 0:44:38.240 weeks of the season, much different. 0:44:38.600 --> 0:44:40.719 Yeah, it was great to see Jalen Davis, who you're 0:44:40.840 --> 0:44:44.200 really starting to blossom and hopefully he can figure in 0:44:44.239 --> 0:44:46.919 the next year. But you're exactly right, this club needs 0:44:47.000 --> 0:44:51.080 to find out, well with these young defensive players who 0:44:51.160 --> 0:44:53.560 can be here, Who who they can count on, who 0:44:53.600 --> 0:44:56.000 they can trust for twenty twenty six. 0:44:58.040 --> 0:45:00.960 No question, And you know I think Jalen Davis is 0:45:01.040 --> 0:45:03.560 one of those role players at the Bengals love he's 0:45:03.960 --> 0:45:06.800 you know, not he's not Mike Hilton, but he is 0:45:06.920 --> 0:45:09.000 starting to play a lot like him, which is a 0:45:09.040 --> 0:45:09.480 good thing. 0:45:09.960 --> 0:45:13.000 And Jalen Davis is beloved in that locker room. 0:45:13.480 --> 0:45:17.360 Zach Taylor can't speak highly of him enough, neither Canal Golden. 0:45:17.440 --> 0:45:20.960 He's somebody that went right from the practice squad to 0:45:21.080 --> 0:45:25.040 playing full snaps. That's hard to do, That's very difficult 0:45:25.160 --> 0:45:28.040 to do, but Jalen Davis managed to do it because 0:45:28.120 --> 0:45:31.480 he pays attention in the film room. He you know, 0:45:31.719 --> 0:45:33.920 is a very good teammate in the locker room, and 0:45:34.000 --> 0:45:37.920 he's terrific in practice from everything we you know, we're 0:45:38.040 --> 0:45:43.000 told by Zach Taylor and also Al Golden. So Jalen 0:45:43.080 --> 0:45:46.200 Davis is a nice refreshing story as. 0:45:46.160 --> 0:45:48.600 We finish up the season. But that doesn't mean the. 0:45:48.640 --> 0:45:51.239 Bengals aren't going to be in the market for, you know, 0:45:51.440 --> 0:45:54.520 starting nickel going into next year. I think that I 0:45:54.600 --> 0:45:59.280 think they like Dax Hill and DJ Turner on the outside, 0:45:59.400 --> 0:46:02.239 I think they are probably in the market for a nickelback. 0:46:02.920 --> 0:46:05.200 I definitely think they are on the market for a safety, 0:46:05.280 --> 0:46:08.400 if not two safeties. They are in the market for 0:46:08.480 --> 0:46:12.759 two defensive edges, even if Trey Hendrickson comes back on 0:46:12.840 --> 0:46:15.840 a franchise tag, and they're definitely in the market for 0:46:15.960 --> 0:46:19.319 one or two interior tackles on the defensive line. 0:46:19.440 --> 0:46:22.080 And really, you just took the words out of my mouth. 0:46:22.160 --> 0:46:25.000 At every phase of the defense front, middle, and back, 0:46:25.719 --> 0:46:28.520 they need help. And it'll be fun to see Corey 0:46:28.600 --> 0:46:32.000 Kiner come back here with the Arizona Cardinals tomorrow. Former 0:46:32.120 --> 0:46:33.520 U SEE running back. 0:46:34.960 --> 0:46:38.480 And you know, obviously mister Ohio football with Roger Bacon 0:46:38.600 --> 0:46:42.080 back in twenty twenty, I would hope now he's. 0:46:42.080 --> 0:46:45.680 Listed on their depth chart as the third. 0:46:45.600 --> 0:46:49.840 Running back in the backfield behind Michael Carter and another 0:46:49.920 --> 0:46:54.000 running back. But I would think that Jonathan Gannon, the 0:46:54.040 --> 0:46:56.080 head coach of the Cardinals, would try to get him 0:46:56.719 --> 0:47:00.640 some good reps tomorrow, hometown team coming back to Cincinnati, 0:47:01.080 --> 0:47:03.439 not only a star with Roger Bacon, but as you said, 0:47:04.160 --> 0:47:07.440 the Cincinnati Bearcats. It's a great story to follow and 0:47:07.800 --> 0:47:10.680 hopefully he gets some good reps, but also a King 0:47:10.800 --> 0:47:14.200 Davis Gaither is coming back as a starting linebacker tomorrow 0:47:14.320 --> 0:47:16.919 as well, so that's also kind of a feel good story, 0:47:16.960 --> 0:47:19.360 but not nearly the feel good story that Corey Coyner is. 0:47:19.680 --> 0:47:22.080 Yeah, you're absolutely right, Drags and looking forward to seeing 0:47:22.120 --> 0:47:25.160 Marvin Harrison. He's got a heel injury, only one catch 0:47:25.239 --> 0:47:28.960 in December. Looking forward to him and Jacoby Brissette. Oh 0:47:29.040 --> 0:47:31.600 my gosh, he's got nine lives and he's beaten the 0:47:31.640 --> 0:47:34.560 Bengals before as a backup quarterback journeyman. 0:47:35.880 --> 0:47:39.000 Yeah, who can forget Opening Gay twenty twenty four, a 0:47:39.080 --> 0:47:41.759 game the Bengals had no business losing to first year 0:47:41.880 --> 0:47:45.160 coach Gerrod Mayo, and they lost sixteen to ten. 0:47:45.320 --> 0:47:47.400 That was not that loss. 0:47:47.440 --> 0:47:49.880 That single loss last year kept him out of the playoffs. 0:47:50.239 --> 0:47:53.880 Can't say that this year. But Trey McBride, keep an 0:47:53.920 --> 0:47:56.960 eye on him. He is an outstanding tight end. He 0:47:57.080 --> 0:47:59.399 plays on Arizona, so nobody talks about him a lot 0:47:59.440 --> 0:48:02.440 in the NFL, but he's a tremendous tight end and 0:48:02.640 --> 0:48:06.719 he is probably, with Harrison dinged up, probably their number 0:48:06.760 --> 0:48:08.080 one weapon on offense. 0:48:08.640 --> 0:48:11.000 Mike Petrellia, you can follow him on trags. You've been 0:48:11.080 --> 0:48:14.799 generous with your time, you and your you and your 0:48:14.840 --> 0:48:18.440 significant other. Happy New Year, Love you guys. Merry Christmas trags. 0:48:19.600 --> 0:48:21.239 Hey, Sean, you do a great job. 0:48:21.840 --> 0:48:24.359 Check It's always a pleasure being on with you. Happy 0:48:24.440 --> 0:48:27.160 New Year, guys, thank you so much. And this is 0:48:27.200 --> 0:48:30.799 Sports Talk. Hey, you want to check in on the Bengals. Yeah, 0:48:30.880 --> 0:48:33.960 we'll talk some more and we're even going to touch 0:48:34.040 --> 0:48:37.480 on the Michigan football coach. Oh yeah, big nets all 0:48:37.560 --> 0:48:43.759 coming up on seven hundred WLW seven thirty six in 0:48:43.840 --> 0:48:48.280 the Queen City of Cincinnati, Chick Ludwig alongside Sean McMahon. 0:48:48.360 --> 0:48:51.560 This is Sports Talking until nine o'clock tonight. And Hey, 0:48:52.080 --> 0:48:55.560 loving our next guest. He's covered the Ohio State Buckeyes 0:48:55.640 --> 0:48:58.399 for twenty years and after nine years at the Dayton 0:48:58.480 --> 0:49:01.120 Daily News, he started his own news letter and you 0:49:01.280 --> 0:49:05.920 can sign up for it at cuss Cus cuss Words 0:49:06.200 --> 0:49:09.200 Sports and the link is on my Facebook page. Check 0:49:09.239 --> 0:49:13.520 it out. We welcome in Marcus Hartman. Marcus, Happy New Year. 0:49:13.600 --> 0:49:14.320 How are you, stud? 0:49:15.480 --> 0:49:17.520 I'm pretty good, Chick. I appreciate you having me on. 0:49:17.640 --> 0:49:18.960 Happy New Year to you as well. 0:49:19.280 --> 0:49:22.840 Fantastic. Well, we can't wait till this coming week Wednesday 0:49:22.920 --> 0:49:28.880 night and Thursday. Oh my, the college football playoff quarter finals. 0:49:29.200 --> 0:49:32.080 And it all starts with the Cotton Bowl seven point 0:49:32.080 --> 0:49:36.560 thirty on Wednesday Night, New Year's Eve, the Ohio State 0:49:36.640 --> 0:49:40.319 Buckeyes against the Miami Hurricanes, two teams that have quite 0:49:40.360 --> 0:49:43.520 a history back in two thousand and three when the 0:49:43.920 --> 0:49:46.480 Buck guys pulled that baby out out in the desert. 0:49:47.280 --> 0:49:50.120 The Hurricanes fans and players haven't forgotten. 0:49:52.120 --> 0:49:55.360 Yeah, yeah, it's amazing the subplots there. You've got to 0:49:55.560 --> 0:49:59.520 this game, people asked Jeremiah Smith, I think I looked 0:49:59.560 --> 0:50:01.680 it up with weren't about three years later, two and 0:50:01.719 --> 0:50:04.480 a half years later, if the people down in Miami 0:50:04.520 --> 0:50:07.000 are still mad about how that game went down? 0:50:07.040 --> 0:50:08.600 And he said, yes, for sure they are. 0:50:09.239 --> 0:50:12.120 So you can tell, you know, the the parents and 0:50:12.200 --> 0:50:14.760 the grandparents of these players are gonna want some revenge, 0:50:14.760 --> 0:50:17.440 even if the players aren't that aware of it firsthand. 0:50:18.160 --> 0:50:21.800 And I think it's a pretty interesting matchup on paper, 0:50:21.880 --> 0:50:24.359 you know, I think ironically, you know, I really thought 0:50:24.440 --> 0:50:27.480 Georgia probably deserved to jump ahead of Ohio State after 0:50:27.520 --> 0:50:28.799 the Big Ten championship game. 0:50:29.560 --> 0:50:31.359 And I think that this is a little tougher draw. 0:50:31.480 --> 0:50:33.200 I mean, I think you look at especially you know, 0:50:33.560 --> 0:50:35.880 on the hoof, I think Miami is one of the 0:50:35.960 --> 0:50:39.760 best teams out there and it's hard to the acc 0:50:40.040 --> 0:50:42.160 sometimes you know, you don't know exactly how tested they are, 0:50:42.200 --> 0:50:43.719 but if you watch them play, you know they've got 0:50:43.760 --> 0:50:46.839 some dudes. So it's gonna be a game where you're 0:50:46.840 --> 0:50:49.560 gonna have to go out there and earn it, you know, 0:50:49.640 --> 0:50:51.719 in a matchup type game where there's gonna be a 0:50:51.760 --> 0:50:53.840 lot of physical similarities between these teams. 0:50:54.160 --> 0:50:59.160 Wow, what Miami did going into Kyle Field in the 0:51:00.320 --> 0:51:03.960 was just phenomenal and chopping down Texas A and M. 0:51:04.040 --> 0:51:05.600 That was just incredible. 0:51:06.800 --> 0:51:06.960 Yeah. 0:51:06.960 --> 0:51:08.719 I was sort of going back and forth during the 0:51:08.800 --> 0:51:12.719 game about which team would would be Ohio State would 0:51:12.840 --> 0:51:16.680 rather see, and at the end, I definitely still felt. 0:51:16.480 --> 0:51:18.880 Like it was they would rather see Texas A and M. 0:51:18.960 --> 0:51:21.640 I know A and M a little more complicated on defense, 0:51:21.800 --> 0:51:23.280 you know, maybe kind of do some of the things 0:51:23.320 --> 0:51:25.640 that maybe that Indiana had done that kind of messed 0:51:25.680 --> 0:51:29.000 with Ohio State. But I think the better roster would 0:51:29.000 --> 0:51:31.000 be Miami. And you look at I don't know how 0:51:31.120 --> 0:51:33.200 Texas A and M was going to score at all. 0:51:33.160 --> 0:51:34.160 Against Ohio State. 0:51:34.600 --> 0:51:38.080 Miami's obviously got a veteran quarterback, a good offensive line, 0:51:38.120 --> 0:51:40.319 and then they've got some skill guys that you really 0:51:40.400 --> 0:51:41.520 have to worry about. So I think they were a 0:51:41.560 --> 0:51:45.440 better all around team. And the funny thing is looked 0:51:45.480 --> 0:51:47.759 at the stats and I felt like the stats were 0:51:47.800 --> 0:51:49.759 a little more even in that game. It really if 0:51:49.800 --> 0:51:52.440 you just watched it, Miami had you know, four or 0:51:52.480 --> 0:51:55.040 five scoring opportunities. They missed some field goals, so it 0:51:55.120 --> 0:51:58.080 felt like Miami should have won that game more than 0:51:58.120 --> 0:52:01.480 they did. But you know, whatever happened last Saturday doesn't 0:52:01.480 --> 0:52:04.319 necessarily have anything to do with what happens next week either. 0:52:04.560 --> 0:52:07.680 Absolutely. Marcus Hartman is with us talking Buck Eye Football, 0:52:07.840 --> 0:52:11.640 and two guys on Miami scare me their their defensive vents, 0:52:11.920 --> 0:52:16.040 Rubin Baine Junior and akem Mesidor Man. They get after 0:52:16.160 --> 0:52:20.160 it in their speed and quickness. Man, the buck guys 0:52:20.280 --> 0:52:23.320 offensive line is really really going to be tested. 0:52:24.360 --> 0:52:24.880 Yeah, you know it. 0:52:25.320 --> 0:52:27.480 There's no doubt those guys are are very good players. 0:52:27.520 --> 0:52:30.719 But it's kind of interesting Ohio State and you know, 0:52:31.000 --> 0:52:34.560 in terms of just one on one matchups generally have 0:52:34.640 --> 0:52:37.840 been pretty good, especially in past protection. Both their tackles 0:52:38.200 --> 0:52:39.359 have held up pretty well. 0:52:39.719 --> 0:52:39.840 You know. 0:52:39.920 --> 0:52:43.200 Austin Thyreveld started the year, you know, with the big 0:52:43.280 --> 0:52:46.239 match up against Texas and pitched a shutout. Has kind 0:52:46.280 --> 0:52:48.239 of just been a steady guy from then on. What's 0:52:48.320 --> 0:52:51.480 really bothered them has been more stunts and like the 0:52:51.600 --> 0:52:55.040 sim pressures that Indiana was able to run pretty successful. 0:52:55.080 --> 0:52:56.719 You know, where they you don't know who's come. 0:52:56.800 --> 0:52:59.920 It's kind of like the modern cousin of the zone blitz, 0:53:00.040 --> 0:53:02.960 where you're not sure who's coming and who's not in 0:53:03.040 --> 0:53:05.440 the end up blocking air. That's been more of an 0:53:05.480 --> 0:53:08.080 issue for Ohio State. Now, who knows, Miami may install 0:53:08.160 --> 0:53:10.560 some of that stuff here in their ten days off, 0:53:10.640 --> 0:53:13.399 but obviously it's going to come down to I think 0:53:13.440 --> 0:53:16.759 how well Ohio State's offensive line plays, because I think 0:53:16.800 --> 0:53:18.480 that's the biggest question mark. 0:53:18.360 --> 0:53:20.360 Of the four lines. 0:53:20.440 --> 0:53:23.200 Mean, Ohio State's defensive line is elite. Miami has a 0:53:23.239 --> 0:53:26.799 good offensive line and a good defensive line, especially those 0:53:26.880 --> 0:53:29.279 edge You guys, the Ohio State offensive line's been a 0:53:29.320 --> 0:53:32.320 little bit more up and down this season. You know, 0:53:32.400 --> 0:53:34.640 they came off a great game against Michigan, they kind 0:53:34.640 --> 0:53:37.480 of struggled against Indiana. They're going to have a new 0:53:37.560 --> 0:53:40.880 right guard, probably the Gabe Van Sickle, but you know 0:53:40.960 --> 0:53:45.560 he's replacing a guy Tigra Shabola from Makota West, who 0:53:45.680 --> 0:53:49.000 also had his share of ups and downs, but he's injured, 0:53:49.200 --> 0:53:50.880 so it'll be interesting to see kind of how that 0:53:51.120 --> 0:53:54.239 shakes out in terms of what they're able to do, 0:53:54.400 --> 0:53:57.239 what the communication is like, and just physically. You know, 0:53:57.360 --> 0:54:01.320 how how Van Sickle look when he's out there against 0:54:01.640 --> 0:54:03.200 a top ten opponent. 0:54:03.000 --> 0:54:07.759 No doubt Marcus and giving Julian Saying time to get 0:54:07.800 --> 0:54:11.000 the ball to his you know, his incredible wide receivers 0:54:11.040 --> 0:54:14.800 in Carnell Tate and Jeremiah Smith, and opening some holes 0:54:14.960 --> 0:54:16.040 for the running game too. 0:54:16.560 --> 0:54:19.359 Yes, yeah, And I think you know the other thing 0:54:19.560 --> 0:54:20.600 was Brian Hart. 0:54:20.920 --> 0:54:23.200 I'm sorry, Brian Day said this week, you know he 0:54:23.400 --> 0:54:26.160 is going to call plays, yes, which I think is 0:54:26.480 --> 0:54:29.360 I feel like, you know, one of the underrated storylines 0:54:29.360 --> 0:54:32.680 of last year was halfway through the playoff, Day said, oh, yeah. 0:54:32.719 --> 0:54:35.040 By the way, I've been way more involved in the 0:54:35.120 --> 0:54:37.160 offense here in the playoffs than I was in the 0:54:37.200 --> 0:54:40.279 regular season. And because a lot of the kind of 0:54:40.360 --> 0:54:42.279 day to day grind of the head coaching job is 0:54:42.320 --> 0:54:45.279 over there in December and January, and I don't think 0:54:45.320 --> 0:54:47.120 it's a coincidence that they came out there and they 0:54:47.160 --> 0:54:49.359 were looking to attack in the passing game, and they 0:54:49.400 --> 0:54:52.799 were more aggressive when Day you know, had his fingerprints 0:54:52.880 --> 0:54:55.600 completely on the offense instead of just kind of overseeing, 0:54:55.960 --> 0:54:57.880 you know, kind of from afar what was going on. 0:54:58.120 --> 0:55:01.560 So I think we would have seen a similar transition 0:55:01.800 --> 0:55:03.120 again this year anyway. 0:55:04.080 --> 0:55:05.239 The only question is. 0:55:05.280 --> 0:55:07.560 As we you know, as people, as Bengals fans know, 0:55:07.960 --> 0:55:10.320 it's it's tough to manage the game and call the 0:55:10.400 --> 0:55:13.799 plays at the same time sometimes, So as long as 0:55:14.080 --> 0:55:16.640 I've been saying is it's probably good for Ohio State 0:55:16.680 --> 0:55:19.560 if they can have a double digit lead going into 0:55:19.600 --> 0:55:23.440 the fourth quarter not have to worry about any potentially 0:55:23.520 --> 0:55:26.400 difficult game management decisions. And I think the way that 0:55:26.680 --> 0:55:30.080 they will call the game may lend itself to trying 0:55:30.120 --> 0:55:31.840 to go out there and kind of get control of 0:55:31.920 --> 0:55:34.879 the game, make Miami play from behind and just kind 0:55:34.880 --> 0:55:37.440 of see what Carson Beck does in that situation if 0:55:37.440 --> 0:55:38.960 he's got a press, and. 0:55:39.640 --> 0:55:40.239 Go from there. 0:55:41.000 --> 0:55:44.520 Marcus Sean mcman here, this game profiles to me very 0:55:44.640 --> 0:55:47.480 similarly to that of the game that Miami just played 0:55:47.480 --> 0:55:49.080 against A and M I have a feeling this is 0:55:49.120 --> 0:55:50.400 going to be pretty low scoring. 0:55:50.480 --> 0:55:52.120 These are two really good defenses. 0:55:52.520 --> 0:55:55.680 Matt Patricia has been an excellent defensive coordinator for Ohio State. 0:55:55.760 --> 0:55:58.919 This is probably the best defense Miami's faced all year. 0:55:59.040 --> 0:56:01.400 To me, I think that the game comes down to 0:56:02.040 --> 0:56:05.920 how well does Miami's offense play against Ohio States defense, 0:56:05.920 --> 0:56:08.359 because I don't think they've seen anything like this this year. 0:56:09.520 --> 0:56:10.640 Yeah, I think, I think you're right. 0:56:10.719 --> 0:56:14.480 I mean, and they've got a veteran quarterback who will 0:56:14.600 --> 0:56:16.920 turn the ball over from time to time, so obviously 0:56:17.040 --> 0:56:19.839 that's the big the caveat for Miami. I mean, if 0:56:19.880 --> 0:56:22.840 Carson Beck throws a couple of interceptions, they're going to 0:56:22.880 --> 0:56:24.839 be in real big trouble. I think in Ohio State, 0:56:24.880 --> 0:56:26.560 for all as good as they've been, they have not 0:56:26.840 --> 0:56:28.240 forced a whole lot of turnovers. 0:56:28.760 --> 0:56:28.920 You know. 0:56:28.960 --> 0:56:32.120 They haven't had as many snaps as some defenses, so 0:56:32.200 --> 0:56:33.560 there's been fewer opportunities. 0:56:33.960 --> 0:56:35.400 But that's the one thing. 0:56:35.520 --> 0:56:37.759 So again, they've got almost that as a wild card 0:56:37.800 --> 0:56:39.600 that's kind of in their back pocket. If they force 0:56:39.640 --> 0:56:43.120 a few turnovers, it's going to be they're just about unstoppable. 0:56:43.120 --> 0:56:44.440 But I agree, I mean, I think it's going to 0:56:44.480 --> 0:56:46.520 be up to I think the two things. 0:56:46.520 --> 0:56:48.040 I mean, and that's how it usually goes. 0:56:48.080 --> 0:56:49.040 I mean, the Ohio State. 0:56:48.880 --> 0:56:52.640 Offensive offense needs to come out and you know, establish 0:56:52.719 --> 0:56:55.000 some things that it's able to do to move the 0:56:55.040 --> 0:56:58.520 ball consistently after only scoring ten points against Indiana. But 0:56:58.600 --> 0:57:01.480 I think you're right, maybe the bigger challenges. Can Miami 0:57:01.600 --> 0:57:04.680 get much of anything going against Ohio State? And obviously 0:57:04.760 --> 0:57:07.279 they've got the skill guys, They've got a good offensive line, 0:57:08.000 --> 0:57:11.640 but the Ohio State is awfully tough and thematically they've 0:57:11.719 --> 0:57:14.080 done a lot of different things. So this will be 0:57:14.120 --> 0:57:16.640 a very good chance. I mean, I think for both 0:57:16.720 --> 0:57:18.640 sides of the ball, this is the time you go 0:57:18.720 --> 0:57:20.720 out there. If you're as good as you think Ohio 0:57:20.800 --> 0:57:21.960 State has been all year. 0:57:22.160 --> 0:57:23.720 This is a great chance to go prove it. 0:57:23.760 --> 0:57:26.400 I mean, if they're that good, they should be able 0:57:26.480 --> 0:57:28.120 to win if they just play their game. 0:57:28.520 --> 0:57:30.800 But it's a great opportunity for Miami to say, hey, 0:57:31.320 --> 0:57:32.280 you know, we're. 0:57:32.120 --> 0:57:33.120 The you and we're back. 0:57:33.240 --> 0:57:35.880 And I kind of ironic that really, you know, they 0:57:36.000 --> 0:57:37.440 never really recovered. 0:57:37.040 --> 0:57:40.080 From that National Championship game, never been the same. 0:57:39.960 --> 0:57:42.880 Since they lost that Fiesta ball, So this is really 0:57:42.920 --> 0:57:46.960 their best opportunity to prove themselves on this stage. 0:57:47.480 --> 0:57:49.760 Marcus do you think that this game is a lot 0:57:49.880 --> 0:57:52.360 higher scoring than that, or do you see it being 0:57:52.480 --> 0:57:53.880 fairly low scoring as well. 0:57:55.960 --> 0:57:58.920 I don't think it's going to be a shootout. I 0:57:58.960 --> 0:58:01.040 don't think it's going to be thirteen to ten either. 0:58:01.240 --> 0:58:04.040 I think both teams will have some success. You know, 0:58:04.160 --> 0:58:07.800 Miami has an efficient offense, which I think is it's 0:58:07.880 --> 0:58:10.080 sort of what you want to be against Ohio State. 0:58:10.160 --> 0:58:12.120 They haven't given up a lot of big plays, but 0:58:12.240 --> 0:58:14.480 you need big plays. So that's sort of the catch 0:58:14.560 --> 0:58:17.960 twenty two. They're trying to generate big plays against the 0:58:18.160 --> 0:58:22.120 defense that doesn't give up a lot, but also be efficient. 0:58:22.400 --> 0:58:24.880 And so I think they will be able to move 0:58:24.960 --> 0:58:27.560 the ball, and I think Ohio State kind of the 0:58:27.600 --> 0:58:29.800 same thing. I think that they'll be able to I 0:58:29.880 --> 0:58:32.120 think they'll be more consistent moving the ball, and they've 0:58:32.120 --> 0:58:35.200 got those explosive wide receivers. If they're both that hundred percent, 0:58:35.680 --> 0:58:38.080 that would make a huge difference compared to what we 0:58:38.240 --> 0:58:43.160 saw certainly against Indiana and against in Michigan. You know, 0:58:43.240 --> 0:58:45.240 those guys had each had the one big play, they 0:58:45.280 --> 0:58:47.120 didn't do a whole lot the rest of the game, 0:58:47.160 --> 0:58:50.680 and obviously that was enough. So I think both offenses 0:58:50.720 --> 0:58:53.200 will have some success. I think they'll move the ball 0:58:53.320 --> 0:58:55.520 some and he talked about it's going to be you know, 0:58:55.600 --> 0:58:59.320 weather won't be a factor. So I think it'll be 0:58:59.400 --> 0:59:01.160 more of a game where you know, the winner is 0:59:01.280 --> 0:59:03.680 somewhere in the twenties and you know, something like a 0:59:03.760 --> 0:59:06.800 twenty four to fourteen type game, or maybe a twenty 0:59:06.840 --> 0:59:08.480 four to seventeen type of a game. 0:59:08.560 --> 0:59:09.680 I would think, I don't know what. 0:59:09.840 --> 0:59:11.640 I don't usually look at the lines. I think Ohio 0:59:11.720 --> 0:59:14.240 State is favored by like ten. I'm not sure what 0:59:14.320 --> 0:59:16.320 the over under is, but that's kind of. 0:59:16.320 --> 0:59:17.040 What it feels like. 0:59:17.240 --> 0:59:19.800 Yeah, the over under is forty two and a half 0:59:20.280 --> 0:59:23.200 in Ohio State. I'm stunned is a nine and a 0:59:23.280 --> 0:59:26.520 half point favorite. I'm not a gambler. I don't bet, 0:59:26.840 --> 0:59:31.439 but I would take I would take Miami Ohio State time. 0:59:32.360 --> 0:59:35.640 Ohio State at times this year has started slow. Penn 0:59:35.720 --> 0:59:39.160 State ran on them, God Pue ran on them. They 0:59:39.240 --> 0:59:41.720 throw an interception against Michigan to start the game. So 0:59:43.280 --> 0:59:44.880 I'm you know, I'm a little bit concerned as a 0:59:44.920 --> 0:59:47.000 buck Eye grad and fan. 0:59:47.480 --> 0:59:49.720 What well, then that's you know, that's why I came 0:59:50.080 --> 0:59:53.600 away thinking. I mean Miami would be you'd rather play 0:59:53.640 --> 0:59:55.280 A and M because I think they would have had 0:59:55.280 --> 0:59:58.840 a harder time scoring. When you talk about being able 0:59:58.880 --> 1:00:01.440 to confuse Read, I mean he was obviously confused at 1:00:01.480 --> 1:00:03.600 times with whatever what Miami was doing. 1:00:03.760 --> 1:00:05.920 But Miami just has more game breakers, you know, And 1:00:06.080 --> 1:00:07.560 that's really what it kind of comes down to. 1:00:08.280 --> 1:00:10.560 Uh And and you know, the great thing about the 1:00:10.640 --> 1:00:13.320 playoff and about these intersectional games is, you know what, 1:00:13.440 --> 1:00:16.400 you really don't know what these teams have on the 1:00:16.520 --> 1:00:18.800 line until they line up against each other, and then 1:00:18.880 --> 1:00:21.440 that's where the proof comes out. So this is a 1:00:21.480 --> 1:00:24.439 great opportunity for for these teams to kind of prove 1:00:24.760 --> 1:00:27.560 what they really look like against each other. But I agree, 1:00:27.600 --> 1:00:31.520 I mean, I yeah, I would think logically it's more 1:00:31.680 --> 1:00:35.040 likely to be decided by less than nine points, I think, 1:00:35.080 --> 1:00:36.680 So I think, how we're going to put a bet down, 1:00:37.080 --> 1:00:40.080 the safest that would be to take Miami on that one, 1:00:40.120 --> 1:00:41.480 even if you think Ohio. 1:00:41.280 --> 1:00:42.480 State is going to win. 1:00:42.600 --> 1:00:45.040 But like I said, I mean, you know, it's it's 1:00:45.040 --> 1:00:46.640 a chance for o High State to just go out there. 1:00:46.520 --> 1:00:46.960 And prove it. 1:00:47.040 --> 1:00:49.600 I mean, you know, if they if they are as good. 1:00:49.480 --> 1:00:51.840 As the press Cuppings had been most of the year, 1:00:52.200 --> 1:00:54.280 and I'm a believer, especially in the defense. 1:00:55.000 --> 1:00:57.160 You know, then this is a chance for them. It's 1:00:57.200 --> 1:00:59.480 a It's a game that they should win if they 1:00:59.600 --> 1:01:02.040 go out there and take care of business. But Miami 1:01:02.200 --> 1:01:03.560 is certainly dangerous. 1:01:03.400 --> 1:01:06.240 And the game is at at and T Stadium in Arlington. 1:01:06.560 --> 1:01:10.920 Good vibes from the Buckeyes from last year, Marcus, give 1:01:11.000 --> 1:01:15.000 me a winner in all four games, Miami and Ohio State. 1:01:16.920 --> 1:01:18.320 I think I got to go with the Buckeyes. 1:01:18.520 --> 1:01:23.120 Okay, how about Oregon and Texas Tech on Thursday, January 1:01:23.280 --> 1:01:25.000 one in the Orange Bowl. 1:01:26.080 --> 1:01:28.960 You know, that's a really fascinating matchup because these are 1:01:29.000 --> 1:01:31.560 teams that are kind of built similarly, and they're going 1:01:31.600 --> 1:01:33.840 to have a lot of name, image and likeness guys, 1:01:33.880 --> 1:01:34.800 a lot of transfers. 1:01:35.480 --> 1:01:38.400 But they're both talented, and so I think you got 1:01:38.520 --> 1:01:39.360 to go with Oregon. 1:01:39.400 --> 1:01:42.640 I really like Dante More, I think that they're pretty 1:01:42.680 --> 1:01:45.040 good on the lines, and I believe that they're. 1:01:44.880 --> 1:01:46.960 Going to be healthier at the skill positions than they 1:01:47.000 --> 1:01:47.280 have been. 1:01:47.360 --> 1:01:48.440 So I'm going to go with Oregon. 1:01:48.600 --> 1:01:51.040 Great and then the granddaddy of them all been out 1:01:51.040 --> 1:01:54.040 there twice. I love it the Rose Bowl, Alabama and Indiana. 1:01:55.560 --> 1:01:57.640 I'm not a believer in Alabama, and I am a 1:01:57.680 --> 1:01:59.680 believer in Indiana, at least in this round. 1:02:00.160 --> 1:02:02.320 So I think Indiana's tough to play against. 1:02:02.360 --> 1:02:05.240 I think they're good all around at every level of 1:02:05.320 --> 1:02:09.240 football and every level of offense and defense. I think 1:02:09.560 --> 1:02:12.240 Alabama is a bit of a paper tiger with no 1:02:12.360 --> 1:02:15.360 running game, and they've just been they haven't quite been Alabama. 1:02:15.440 --> 1:02:17.400 I'm going to go with Indiana fantastic. 1:02:17.480 --> 1:02:22.200 And lastly, in the Sugar Bowl in New Orleans at 1:02:22.320 --> 1:02:27.920 Caesar's Super Dome, Ole Miss and Georgia, I think you. 1:02:27.960 --> 1:02:29.800 Gotta go with Georgia. I mean, maybe there's still a 1:02:29.920 --> 1:02:32.040 chance at this Georgia. I guess from what I've talked 1:02:32.080 --> 1:02:34.120 to people, this is not, you know, the death star 1:02:34.240 --> 1:02:36.840 Georgia type team. But they're still pretty good. They've still 1:02:36.880 --> 1:02:40.200 got a good roster. I believe they already beat Ole 1:02:40.280 --> 1:02:41.040 Miss once. 1:02:40.960 --> 1:02:44.120 Right, and then you've got Ole Miss without Lane Kiffin. 1:02:44.400 --> 1:02:46.560 They're a good team on legit team for sure, But 1:02:46.680 --> 1:02:49.280 Georgia knows how to how to play in this kind 1:02:49.320 --> 1:02:50.240 of a stage and this. 1:02:50.400 --> 1:02:51.360 Is new for Ole Miss. 1:02:51.600 --> 1:02:53.080 I'm gonna have to go with the Bulldogs. 1:02:53.120 --> 1:02:56.520 You've been generous with your time, Marcus Hartman, and my 1:02:56.680 --> 1:02:59.200 partner here, Sean McMahon, has one more question for you. 1:02:59.320 --> 1:03:04.000 Yeah, Marcus, the focusing specifically on the Alabama Indiana game, 1:03:04.120 --> 1:03:05.520 This is just kind of a funny question. Do you 1:03:05.640 --> 1:03:08.680 ever think you'd see Indiana favorite as a touchdown favorite 1:03:08.720 --> 1:03:10.720 against Alabama in the Rose Bowl? 1:03:12.240 --> 1:03:14.880 That is, no doubt a very wild thing all the 1:03:14.920 --> 1:03:16.840 way around. You know, one of my favorite stats for 1:03:16.920 --> 1:03:20.400 a long time was Indiana and Minnesota shared the Big 1:03:20.520 --> 1:03:22.960 Ten title in nineteen sixty seven, and they are the 1:03:23.120 --> 1:03:25.880 only teams to not win at least to share it 1:03:26.440 --> 1:03:27.000 since then. 1:03:27.280 --> 1:03:30.840 Wow, not counting you know the newer teams that have joined. 1:03:30.640 --> 1:03:33.360 In, and so now Indiana has put all that to bed, 1:03:33.440 --> 1:03:35.120 and you know, you watch them play. They passed the 1:03:35.200 --> 1:03:37.240 look test. I mean, they're a good team. And again 1:03:37.800 --> 1:03:40.600 Alabama's almost the opposite. They don't really pass the look test, 1:03:40.680 --> 1:03:42.560 like they tend to somehow figure out how to win. 1:03:43.120 --> 1:03:45.560 So no, I would have never anticipated that kind of thing, 1:03:46.040 --> 1:03:48.320 but I also think that it's. 1:03:48.240 --> 1:03:48.840 Fair right now. 1:03:50.040 --> 1:03:53.320 Well, Marcus, really appreciate your time tonight and tell folks 1:03:53.520 --> 1:03:56.080 how they can reach you and get your newsletter. 1:03:57.040 --> 1:03:59.520 Yes, as you said, you can find the newsletter online 1:03:59.560 --> 1:04:04.080 at cut words sports dot com, c U S W 1:04:04.440 --> 1:04:07.560 O R D S S P O r T S 1:04:07.720 --> 1:04:09.439 dot com and that is free. 1:04:10.160 --> 1:04:10.800 That's good to know. 1:04:10.920 --> 1:04:13.920 And if you can look that up and give me 1:04:14.000 --> 1:04:15.960 a follow, I would really appreciate it. I will be 1:04:16.000 --> 1:04:19.640 out there in Dallas with some with updates on that newsletter, 1:04:19.720 --> 1:04:22.840 and I'll also be writing for Press Pros magazine, which 1:04:22.880 --> 1:04:26.520 I understand is something that Chick is familiar with. I 1:04:26.640 --> 1:04:28.440 talked to the publisher today and he said to make 1:04:28.480 --> 1:04:30.560 sure and and get a shout out for them. So 1:04:30.680 --> 1:04:34.160 I will be there for both accords here next week 1:04:34.200 --> 1:04:36.400 and I'm very much looking forward to flying out tomorrow. 1:04:36.680 --> 1:04:40.760 Fantastic Marcus, safe travels, Happy New Year, and dare I 1:04:40.920 --> 1:04:44.200 say it, go bocks man. It's not a matter of 1:04:44.240 --> 1:04:47.480 life or death. It's more important than that. Thanks so much, Marcus, 1:04:48.440 --> 1:04:51.200 Thanks very much following me time all right, appreciate it. 1:04:51.360 --> 1:04:55.240 And Press Prosmagazine. I just wrote a story for like 1:04:55.400 --> 1:05:00.560 a holiday issue, Marvin, the Bengals and Me a look 1:05:00.640 --> 1:05:05.280 back on my career covering the Bengals over twelve years. 1:05:05.320 --> 1:05:06.560 I don't have to pick up a copy of that. 1:05:06.720 --> 1:05:11.320 Oh awesome. Yes, Pressprosmagazine dot Com appreciate it. This is 1:05:11.360 --> 1:05:15.640 sports talk and we're gonna get eight o'clock hour is 1:05:15.680 --> 1:05:18.000 gonna be wide open. We're gonna give some shout outs 1:05:18.040 --> 1:05:21.600 and have some fun. He's Sean Nick mahon. This is 1:05:21.720 --> 1:05:26.240 Chick Ludwig and it's awesome having Russ action. Jackson Back 1:05:26.800 --> 1:05:30.840 is a producer on seven hundred WLW Sinnati three minutes 1:05:30.880 --> 1:05:32.560 through the top of the hour. Gonna have some fun 1:05:32.640 --> 1:05:35.560 in the eight o'clock hour. This is Chick Ludwig alongside 1:05:35.640 --> 1:05:42.280 Sean McMahon and Sean Yes, Sir, the Red's Mate. A 1:05:42.360 --> 1:05:46.720 couple of moves, bringing in a couple of outfielders. Thank goodness. 1:05:47.000 --> 1:05:51.720 We are pitching rich. Yeah, because it's tough to get 1:05:51.800 --> 1:05:55.360 pictures to come in to Great American Ballpark. The Devil's 1:05:55.480 --> 1:05:59.000 Layer that Adam Wainwright calls it. But we were able 1:05:59.040 --> 1:06:01.840 to acquire a Brady Singer last year in a trade. 1:06:02.480 --> 1:06:05.160 Haven't traded him yet out of here, so we are 1:06:05.280 --> 1:06:07.360 pitching rich, especially with starters. 1:06:07.720 --> 1:06:10.520 This is arguably the best starting lineup we've seen for 1:06:10.640 --> 1:06:13.880 Reds pitching in a while, in a long time. You're 1:06:13.920 --> 1:06:17.120 in a really good spot with that. I think you know, 1:06:17.280 --> 1:06:20.320 last year you had a lot of injury. Hunter Green 1:06:20.440 --> 1:06:25.680 was out for a while, n if he had not 1:06:25.800 --> 1:06:29.000 been injured for two months. Yeah, yeah, hugs, and they 1:06:29.040 --> 1:06:31.000 still made the playoffs. I still feel bad for Hunter 1:06:31.080 --> 1:06:33.880 Green in the regard that he pitches so well so often, 1:06:34.640 --> 1:06:37.440 and more often than not, the offense is the thing 1:06:37.520 --> 1:06:39.360 that lets him down because he goes out there, he 1:06:39.400 --> 1:06:42.560 pitches so well and he keeps his e R down. 1:06:42.600 --> 1:06:45.120 You know, he maybe allows a run or two and 1:06:45.560 --> 1:06:48.120 the Reds offense just can't respond and take the lead, 1:06:48.480 --> 1:06:50.800 uh and and take the take over the game for 1:06:50.920 --> 1:06:53.480 Hunter And it's frust It's gotta be frustrating for him. 1:06:53.520 --> 1:06:55.520 It's it's it's a talking point that's been talked about 1:06:55.520 --> 1:06:58.160 a lot on this station. But I feel bad for 1:06:58.240 --> 1:07:00.919 the guy in that in that regard. But yeah, pitching wise, 1:07:01.000 --> 1:07:02.600 the Reds are in a really good spot. 1:07:02.560 --> 1:07:05.960 And just looking at the starting possible rotation as far 1:07:06.000 --> 1:07:11.280 as starters go, Hunter Green, Nick Lodolo, Brady Singer, Andrew Abbott, 1:07:11.560 --> 1:07:15.880 Chase Burns and gosh, there's Brandon Williamson and Juli and 1:07:15.960 --> 1:07:18.960 Aggie are coming off injuries. But then there's rhet louder 1:07:19.200 --> 1:07:22.120 to not pitch last year. Be awesome to have this 1:07:22.240 --> 1:07:23.959 guy back, Yeah, it would, it would. 1:07:24.040 --> 1:07:27.800 You've got plenty of depth at the pitching position, and 1:07:27.920 --> 1:07:29.600 like I said, you put yourself in a really good 1:07:29.680 --> 1:07:31.800 spot and now offensively, you just got to get it 1:07:31.880 --> 1:07:32.360 figured out. 1:07:32.440 --> 1:07:34.200 That's that's been there. That's been there, wees for a 1:07:34.240 --> 1:07:34.840 long time. Now. 1:07:35.160 --> 1:07:37.720 I'm not breaking any news here, but you know, the 1:07:37.760 --> 1:07:39.800 word frustrating is gonna come up time and time and 1:07:39.880 --> 1:07:40.680 time and time again. 1:07:41.200 --> 1:07:45.640 Emelio Pagan is back, probably as the closer. He didn't 1:07:45.640 --> 1:07:48.720 get that kind of coin to set up. Yeah, okay, 1:07:49.120 --> 1:07:53.520 I love Tony santition, but he cannot grind They cannot 1:07:53.560 --> 1:07:55.280 grind him down like they did last year. 1:07:55.400 --> 1:07:58.640 No, No, he was hitching was almost every day. He 1:07:58.840 --> 1:08:02.800 was too good for them to continually use him the 1:08:02.880 --> 1:08:04.960 way that they did. They need that's a guy that 1:08:05.160 --> 1:08:08.080 you want to give him some time to rest because 1:08:08.400 --> 1:08:11.520 he proved to be incredibly valuable for this team in 1:08:11.640 --> 1:08:14.280 situations where they needed him to step up, and he 1:08:14.400 --> 1:08:16.439 did a great job. It's just you know, again, it's 1:08:16.479 --> 1:08:18.240 kind of like the TJ. Friedl thing we mentioned. He 1:08:18.400 --> 1:08:20.080 just got wore down by the end of the year, 1:08:20.200 --> 1:08:22.840 and you just can't play when you're tired. Man, It's hard. 1:08:22.840 --> 1:08:26.320 And Connor Phillips had a great ending to the season 1:08:26.600 --> 1:08:28.920 and Graham Ashcraft is sitting there too, so they got 1:08:29.000 --> 1:08:31.479 some warriors out there. But we've reached the top of 1:08:31.520 --> 1:08:36.160 the hour. Break news coming up. He's Sean McMahon. This 1:08:36.240 --> 1:08:38.160 is chick Lud. We just a couple of wild and 1:08:38.240 --> 1:08:41.160 crazy elder guys. But Sean went to UC the Chickster 1:08:41.280 --> 1:08:45.320 went to the Ohio State University. And Russ Jackson Action 1:08:45.600 --> 1:08:50.120 Jackson back in our producing tonight, running the big board 1:08:50.280 --> 1:08:53.760 in the studio, and this is Sports Talk on seven 1:08:53.880 --> 1:09:35.479 hundred WLW eight O seven in the Queen City of Cincinnati. 1:09:35.600 --> 1:09:39.360 Chickhoad Wigan seven hundred w l W. 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And 1:11:16.479 --> 1:11:20.640 it's at forty seven eighty two Plum Square in Westchester, 1:11:21.280 --> 1:11:25.080 we'll be broadcasting live on seven hundred WLW and Cincinnati's 1:11:25.320 --> 1:11:31.120 ESPN fifteen thirty. Now Sean Ludwigs have a tradition and 1:11:31.240 --> 1:11:35.599 it's called the Eve Before New Year's Eve Celebration. Love 1:11:35.680 --> 1:11:39.920 it and it takes place at j Taps Tavern on 1:11:40.120 --> 1:11:43.840 Glenway Avenue on the West Side, Best Side. So I 1:11:44.439 --> 1:11:48.559 was planning on going early, but I was with Lance 1:11:49.040 --> 1:11:53.320 and Austin Elmore at Long Necks and Wilder on Tuesday 1:11:53.400 --> 1:11:56.120 night for the roundtable show. I got done at seven 1:11:56.280 --> 1:11:58.639 thirty and then I hustled over to the West Side 1:11:59.520 --> 1:12:03.400 and greeted a whole bunch of friends, made some new friends, 1:12:04.040 --> 1:12:08.360 and Russ Brady was there University of Louisville stud from 1:12:08.439 --> 1:12:15.120 Elder High School taking photos. And I met three women 1:12:16.040 --> 1:12:21.160 who are in my brother Dan's eighth grade class at 1:12:21.280 --> 1:12:26.280 Saint William's School. About that, Okay, they're awesome, Okay, Barb 1:12:26.439 --> 1:12:37.840 Pulman McPhillips, Mary Ann Mingus Bachencotter and then Susan Langenbrunner Richardson. 1:12:37.520 --> 1:12:39.680 And you know what they like me. 1:12:40.760 --> 1:12:44.080 It's hard not to like you check unbelievable, unbelievaby. I 1:12:44.200 --> 1:12:47.200 have at least a handful of fans here, but they 1:12:48.160 --> 1:12:51.360 love it. Yes, they're the newest chick magnets and they 1:12:51.439 --> 1:12:55.559 love it. When I talk about Saint William Parrish, West 1:12:55.600 --> 1:13:00.720 Price Hill and the West Side best side. And you 1:13:00.800 --> 1:13:03.160 know what, Sean, when you think about it, what what 1:13:03.320 --> 1:13:08.280 does the West side have? Okay, we've got churches, plenty 1:13:08.280 --> 1:13:14.120 of those. We've got ball diamonds, we've got chili parlors, 1:13:15.200 --> 1:13:18.360 and we've got watering holes. We got a lot of 1:13:18.439 --> 1:13:21.519 those on the West side side of town. That's what 1:13:21.760 --> 1:13:27.080 makes We're born there, we grow up there, we work there, 1:13:27.720 --> 1:13:31.519 and we're probably gonna die there. So I like to 1:13:31.760 --> 1:13:34.960 tease everyone, Hey, you need a passport to get off 1:13:35.040 --> 1:13:38.120 the hill. Yep. But it is a tremendous place. And 1:13:39.360 --> 1:13:41.960 where else can you drive for a half hour and 1:13:42.120 --> 1:13:44.640 only go a mile. That's how it feels on the 1:13:44.680 --> 1:13:48.559 West so high, you know. And but still we love 1:13:48.640 --> 1:13:49.680 our hometown, we do. 1:13:49.960 --> 1:13:50.439 And uh. 1:13:50.880 --> 1:13:52.880 And then you never know who you're going to bump into. 1:13:53.720 --> 1:13:55.960 And Sean, we've talked about this off the air. You're 1:13:56.000 --> 1:13:59.240 at a football game and you bump into the immortal 1:14:00.040 --> 1:14:03.880 voice of the Cincinnati Reds. Yes, Tommy, Yeah, you know. 1:14:04.000 --> 1:14:06.120 The funny thing about that chick was the that was 1:14:06.240 --> 1:14:08.439 the game I brought up earlier, the homecoming game you 1:14:08.600 --> 1:14:10.880 see and Baylor, which was the last football game that 1:14:10.960 --> 1:14:13.720 they won. I was meeting up with some friends of mine, 1:14:13.920 --> 1:14:16.000 some old colleagues from when I was working for UC 1:14:16.160 --> 1:14:19.240 football at the time, and one of my buddies shot 1:14:19.280 --> 1:14:21.080 out to Steve Maller by the way, buddy of the 1:14:21.200 --> 1:14:25.240 buddy of the program, Steve Mauer, and he tell he 1:14:25.280 --> 1:14:26.680 walks up to me and he goes, hey, by the way, 1:14:26.720 --> 1:14:30.400 I saw Tommy. I was like, Tommy throll. He says yeah, Like, 1:14:30.479 --> 1:14:32.600 no kidding. I didn't know he was here. So I 1:14:32.840 --> 1:14:35.000 quickly got on my phone. I shot Tommy at text. 1:14:35.040 --> 1:14:38.840 I said, Tommy, you're here somewhere. He goes yeah, and 1:14:39.000 --> 1:14:40.720 so I asked him where he was at. We met up, 1:14:40.760 --> 1:14:43.280 we got a photo together. I actually made a post 1:14:43.320 --> 1:14:45.760 about it on Instagram. Even Audie Elmore was like, how 1:14:45.800 --> 1:14:47.720 did they How did you meet up with Tommy? And 1:14:47.800 --> 1:14:50.439 I was like, someone told me he was there. They 1:14:50.560 --> 1:14:53.960 recognized him. So I got sent over and chit chatted 1:14:54.000 --> 1:14:56.200 with Tommy. It was his first UC football game. I 1:14:56.280 --> 1:14:58.920 promised him I'd get him some UC swag, so I 1:14:58.960 --> 1:15:00.600 got to work on that for the next time that 1:15:00.720 --> 1:15:02.920 I see him. I owe him some UC bearcat gear. 1:15:03.560 --> 1:15:07.320 But he loved Nippert. He loved his experience there, and 1:15:07.840 --> 1:15:09.840 it's neat bumping into people in the wild like that. 1:15:10.080 --> 1:15:14.800 Oh, that's fantastic. And also last week when we were 1:15:14.920 --> 1:15:17.000 at the when Jim Breach and I were at the 1:15:17.280 --> 1:15:23.439 Wings and Rings Finnytown location, a gentleman was hanging around 1:15:23.520 --> 1:15:26.400 like the last half hour of the show and he 1:15:26.560 --> 1:15:30.400 comes up to us during a break and he just 1:15:31.000 --> 1:15:35.679 is going crazy. He loves WLW, loves listening to Bengals 1:15:35.720 --> 1:15:40.040 post game. His name is Ryan Favors from and he's 1:15:40.080 --> 1:15:45.320 got family all over Madisonville, Kennedy Heights, finny Town, and 1:15:45.960 --> 1:15:47.920 he's going to try to make tomorrow's show. But I 1:15:48.000 --> 1:15:50.200 wanted to give a shout out to Ryan Favors. And 1:15:50.840 --> 1:15:52.840 when I asked his name and I said, hey, I'll 1:15:52.880 --> 1:15:56.320 try to drop your name in a shout out on Saturday, 1:15:56.360 --> 1:15:59.840 his eyes lit up like silver dollars. There you go, Ryan. 1:16:00.160 --> 1:16:05.160 Just awesome. So and last week at Finnytown, a guy 1:16:05.240 --> 1:16:08.240 comes up. I'm just getting there and getting set up 1:16:08.360 --> 1:16:12.519 and with Mike Mills are on site engineer and a 1:16:12.600 --> 1:16:15.160 guy comes up. He's got a University of Cincinnati sweatshirt 1:16:15.240 --> 1:16:18.360 on and he says, are you chick Ludwig, I'm there, Yeah, 1:16:18.960 --> 1:16:22.519 and he goes, I'm Kevin Johnson. Shake hands with him, 1:16:22.880 --> 1:16:27.800 and he's a fraternity brother of Alfred Nipperts. How about that, Delph, Yeah, 1:16:28.000 --> 1:16:33.639 Alifred Nippert Sigma Alpha epsilon SAE SAE. And he said, 1:16:33.680 --> 1:16:37.360 how did you get to meet Alfred Man? Well, I've 1:16:37.400 --> 1:16:40.320 got to give my partner here a big time shout 1:16:40.360 --> 1:16:44.479 out because last year Alfred called in after a game 1:16:45.080 --> 1:16:49.360 and we found him so interesting because he's the half 1:16:49.439 --> 1:16:54.360 brother of Jimmy Nipperts okay at Nipperts Stadium is named after, 1:16:55.720 --> 1:16:58.800 and the half brother of Lewis Nippert, who owned the 1:16:59.000 --> 1:17:04.200 Reds during their World Series back to back championships. Yeah, 1:17:04.400 --> 1:17:06.719 in seventy five and seventy six, it was amazing. 1:17:06.800 --> 1:17:08.960 I remember he called in after one of those UC 1:17:09.200 --> 1:17:12.080 games and I remember you were on the air before 1:17:12.960 --> 1:17:14.679 the news. I think it was at like the top 1:17:14.720 --> 1:17:17.080 of the hour and we only had a few minutes. 1:17:17.120 --> 1:17:20.160 We didn't have quite enough time to really get in depth. 1:17:20.240 --> 1:17:23.160 Conversation and we ended up tracking down his phone number 1:17:23.439 --> 1:17:25.360 and we ended up bringing you brought him in a 1:17:25.439 --> 1:17:27.960 couple of times, yes, to come in studio and talk. 1:17:28.040 --> 1:17:30.880 And he has just so many fascinating stories. And it's 1:17:30.880 --> 1:17:34.760 amazing because I actually grew up chick across from the 1:17:34.880 --> 1:17:38.240 old Procter and Gamble estate and obviously the Gambles and 1:17:38.280 --> 1:17:41.320 the Nipperts correct, you know, you know, married into each other, 1:17:41.400 --> 1:17:43.759 and they knew each other. They're two very powerful families 1:17:43.800 --> 1:17:47.200 in the city. And it was such a neat connection 1:17:47.880 --> 1:17:50.439 to make and to have him come on the show. 1:17:50.479 --> 1:17:52.000 And he messages you very frequently. 1:17:52.120 --> 1:17:54.760 Yeah, we we we are texting one another all the time, 1:17:55.000 --> 1:17:58.800 living in Nashville, but then making frequent trimps to Cincinnati. 1:17:59.000 --> 1:17:59.160 Yeah. 1:17:59.479 --> 1:18:01.720 So got to be cool to know that your your 1:18:01.800 --> 1:18:04.839 half brother is named Uh, there's a there's a stadium 1:18:05.120 --> 1:18:07.640 named after after your half brother, and like you call 1:18:07.680 --> 1:18:10.760 it the Wrigley Field of College football football because that's 1:18:10.760 --> 1:18:12.559 really what it is, the third oldest in FBS. 1:18:13.200 --> 1:18:18.760 Well, and when Jimmy passed, his dad uh donated really 1:18:18.840 --> 1:18:22.400 the money to finish Nippert Stadium. Yes, okay, James Gamble, Yeah, 1:18:22.479 --> 1:18:28.160 then to build the Sigma Alpha Epsilon fraternity house. I 1:18:28.200 --> 1:18:31.000 didn't know that part. Yes, that's one hundred years old. Also, 1:18:31.160 --> 1:18:35.400 how about that? That is incredible man, So rub and 1:18:35.479 --> 1:18:37.519 shoulders with some folks in high places. 1:18:37.760 --> 1:18:37.960 Yeah. 1:18:38.120 --> 1:18:38.360 Really? 1:18:38.680 --> 1:18:42.240 And where where would Nippert Stadium be without without Jimmy Nippert, 1:18:42.400 --> 1:18:46.040 without you know, the the Gambles donating all that money 1:18:46.360 --> 1:18:50.479 the pro Where would the program be without that incredible history? Yes, 1:18:50.920 --> 1:18:53.320 which is why it's such a privilege to know Alfred, Yes, 1:18:53.760 --> 1:18:56.320 James Gamble, Jimmy Nipperton. 1:18:56.400 --> 1:18:56.599 Yeah. 1:18:56.760 --> 1:19:01.679 Wow, spiked in a game against Miami winds up passing 1:19:01.840 --> 1:19:08.040 on Christmas Day. Yeah, and just a tremendous They've played 1:19:08.080 --> 1:19:10.040 on that dirt for a long time. They sure did, 1:19:10.360 --> 1:19:11.040 They sure did. 1:19:11.160 --> 1:19:11.200 So. 1:19:12.920 --> 1:19:15.240 I think I'm done giving out all my shout outs here. 1:19:15.320 --> 1:19:16.760 If I can give out a couple, I just want 1:19:16.800 --> 1:19:19.400 to shout out my family that's listening tonight. I told 1:19:19.439 --> 1:19:20.799 them all about it. They're all excited. 1:19:20.840 --> 1:19:22.600 So shout out to all my siblings, my mom, and 1:19:22.680 --> 1:19:26.439 my dad back home listening right now. And also I 1:19:26.479 --> 1:19:29.479 want to give a shout out to an old landlord 1:19:29.520 --> 1:19:33.320 of my old neighbor of mine, Marge Nissen. She's a 1:19:33.439 --> 1:19:37.519 chick magnet herself. She listens to fifty five KRCNWLW. She's 1:19:37.520 --> 1:19:39.920 been a loyal radio listener for a long time. She 1:19:40.160 --> 1:19:42.240 is a sweetheart of a woman. And she was actually 1:19:42.280 --> 1:19:45.000 my brother's old landlord in Clifton when he was living 1:19:45.080 --> 1:19:47.360 in the same house that I was living in. And 1:19:47.479 --> 1:19:49.519 we still keep in touch to this day. She's a 1:19:49.640 --> 1:19:52.400 loyal listener. We got a Christmas card from her, so 1:19:52.520 --> 1:19:53.960 we still keep in touch. I want to make sure 1:19:54.000 --> 1:19:55.639 that her name gets out on the airwaves as well. 1:19:55.840 --> 1:19:59.120 Oh that is fantastic. Well, we're going to take a 1:19:59.200 --> 1:20:02.479 break here. When we come back, we are wide open. 1:20:02.640 --> 1:20:06.400 We're going to continue to probe here these Reds signings 1:20:06.479 --> 1:20:13.560 today with a couple of outfielders, JJ Blede and Dane Myers. 1:20:13.880 --> 1:20:13.960 And. 1:20:15.560 --> 1:20:19.960 Hey, talk some Bengals, talk some Reds, And if you 1:20:20.040 --> 1:20:23.960 want to check in on the college football playoff quarterfinals, 1:20:24.160 --> 1:20:29.360 please do. Michigan's got a new coach that directly impacts 1:20:29.840 --> 1:20:33.280 the University of Cincinnati because he leaves Utah in the 1:20:33.360 --> 1:20:36.680 Big twelve. And uh yeah, they took care of the 1:20:37.680 --> 1:20:40.519 The Utah Utes took care of the Bearcats, and then 1:20:40.800 --> 1:20:45.519 every other team followed that blueprint down the remainder of 1:20:45.560 --> 1:20:51.040 the schedule for UC. So we are at five one 1:20:51.120 --> 1:20:54.720 three seven four nine, seven one, eight hundred The Big One. 1:20:55.120 --> 1:20:59.960 I've got my coffee, I've got my computer, and Sean 1:21:00.080 --> 1:21:04.479 on his his what water bottle water, He's got his laptop. 1:21:04.920 --> 1:21:07.519 All we need is you. Once again at five point three, 1:21:07.600 --> 1:21:10.320 seven four nine, seven thousand, eight hundred The Big One. 1:21:10.560 --> 1:21:14.400 This is Sports Talk till nine o'clock on seven hundred WLW. 1:21:16.120 --> 1:21:20.439 Twenty three minutes after eight seven hundred WLW. This is 1:21:20.560 --> 1:21:24.840 Chick Ludwig alongside Sean McMahon. Red's make a couple of 1:21:25.120 --> 1:21:28.600 acquisitions today in the outfield. And before we get to 1:21:28.880 --> 1:21:33.000 that and the Bengals and our calls, Sean wants to 1:21:33.040 --> 1:21:34.120 give a couple more shout out. 1:21:34.200 --> 1:21:35.640 I do want to give a couple more because I'm 1:21:35.640 --> 1:21:38.320 getting flamed by friends and family right now. 1:21:39.160 --> 1:21:41.680 I love you, guys, everybody who's listening, Thank you. I 1:21:41.760 --> 1:21:42.280 appreciate it. 1:21:42.360 --> 1:21:45.320 So shout out to my buddies from high school, duboys 1:21:45.400 --> 1:21:47.920 as we call each other, and shout out to my 1:21:48.040 --> 1:21:51.760 former UC football video crew, everybody involved, Nick, including you. 1:21:51.960 --> 1:21:55.559 I'm talking to you, Yes, you Nick. So that's all 1:21:55.600 --> 1:21:56.160 I had, Chick. 1:21:56.400 --> 1:21:58.479 I just was getting a lot of messages and some 1:21:58.600 --> 1:22:00.320 people all of a sudden got real jail and I 1:22:00.360 --> 1:22:01.160 had to rectify it. 1:22:01.439 --> 1:22:07.160 Well, before you hit iHeartMedia Cincinnati as a producer man. 1:22:07.600 --> 1:22:10.600 You had some great experience as a what a videographer 1:22:10.760 --> 1:22:12.240 for University of Cincinnati. 1:22:12.280 --> 1:22:15.880 Shot to some practice film for the coaches and some 1:22:16.040 --> 1:22:18.400 game film as well. Got to work behind the scenes 1:22:18.439 --> 1:22:20.200 for a couple of years, and then I did student 1:22:20.320 --> 1:22:22.439 radio for the next two years. So I had a 1:22:22.479 --> 1:22:25.200 lot of really cool experiences. And the best part about 1:22:25.240 --> 1:22:28.320 my career Bearcats never lost at Nippert Stadium in my 1:22:28.400 --> 1:22:32.280 four years. They were undefeated at Knippert all four years 1:22:32.360 --> 1:22:34.519 I was there, And I get to carry that flame with. 1:22:34.680 --> 1:22:35.280 Me all the way. 1:22:35.560 --> 1:22:38.160 That is fantastic. Well, hey, let's go out to the phones. 1:22:38.280 --> 1:22:41.080 Nick is on the west side, the best side. Wants 1:22:41.160 --> 1:22:42.519 to talk reds Hi Nick. 1:22:43.479 --> 1:22:45.120 Hey, Chuck, Hey, Sean. 1:22:45.320 --> 1:22:46.519 I mean, thanks for the shout out. 1:22:46.800 --> 1:22:49.160 I appreciate it, though. 1:22:51.360 --> 1:22:54.679 I didn't know you were on the line with signing. 1:22:54.880 --> 1:22:56.720 How do you feel that compares to other signings like 1:22:56.880 --> 1:22:59.679 Jacob Webb of the Cardinals or you know, a funny 1:22:59.720 --> 1:23:02.639 good way, Like, do we think that this is enough 1:23:02.720 --> 1:23:05.200 to move us in the right direction in the now 1:23:05.280 --> 1:23:07.280 central or do we think we still need more pieces? 1:23:08.080 --> 1:23:08.200 Oh? 1:23:08.320 --> 1:23:09.680 I think they can always add more. 1:23:10.880 --> 1:23:11.000 Uh. 1:23:12.680 --> 1:23:17.040 What this does to me it increases the competition. And hey, 1:23:17.200 --> 1:23:20.960 let the best man or men, let the cream rise 1:23:21.520 --> 1:23:24.760 show us in uh in spring training and have a 1:23:24.920 --> 1:23:29.519 carry over to the regular season. Because Dane Myers and 1:23:30.960 --> 1:23:35.879 JJ Bleday, Uh, yes, they can be kind of considered 1:23:36.360 --> 1:23:41.840 reclamation projects. Change of scenery hopefully will help them. Uh. 1:23:42.080 --> 1:23:46.240 We could look at JJ Bleday as a dumpster dive. Okay, 1:23:46.760 --> 1:23:51.080 but they're gonna compete with will Benson, Reese Hines, Blake Dunn, 1:23:51.400 --> 1:23:55.479 Tyler Callahan and find out who can play. And I'm 1:23:55.640 --> 1:23:59.240 I'm in Willie's camp who called earlier, Willie Cunningham. I'm 1:23:59.280 --> 1:24:02.600 gonna stay pop and I'm gonna look forward to this 1:24:02.720 --> 1:24:06.640 season and have faith in Tito Francona that he can 1:24:06.720 --> 1:24:09.080 put this team together and get back to the playoffs 1:24:09.200 --> 1:24:09.559 and win. 1:24:13.000 --> 1:24:14.000 I believe if you believe. 1:24:14.280 --> 1:24:15.120 Thank you. I appreciate it. 1:24:15.640 --> 1:24:18.120 Hey, thanks so much, Nick, appreciate it. That was the 1:24:18.240 --> 1:24:20.360 nick I shouted out. By the way he said he 1:24:20.400 --> 1:24:23.360 was going to call in. I didn't think he was serious. Fantastic. Hey, 1:24:24.560 --> 1:24:27.360 we've got Kevin, our good friend in Columbus. 1:24:31.720 --> 1:24:34.720 What do you think can the Bengals turn around their 1:24:34.840 --> 1:24:36.160 defense in a year? 1:24:36.680 --> 1:24:36.840 Hey? 1:24:36.880 --> 1:24:39.000 Do you remember back when the Colts did that? They 1:24:39.080 --> 1:24:42.639 hired Tony Duneie back when Peyton Manning was quarterback. Remember 1:24:42.720 --> 1:24:46.879 they had the same problem, great offense and terrible defense 1:24:47.880 --> 1:24:48.960 and they did something like that. 1:24:49.160 --> 1:24:52.439 Right, Well, the uh, it's gonna take a lot of 1:24:52.760 --> 1:24:53.840 You got hired as their. 1:24:53.760 --> 1:24:56.200 Head coach, I remember, Yeah, to face the defense. 1:24:56.520 --> 1:24:59.680 Yes, Uh, it's going to take man, it's gonna take 1:24:59.760 --> 1:25:00.960 your overhaul major. 1:25:01.920 --> 1:25:04.040 Yeah. And I can't remember the exact years, but it 1:25:04.120 --> 1:25:06.120 seemed like they were able to turn it around and 1:25:06.280 --> 1:25:07.200 get to the super. 1:25:07.000 --> 1:25:07.479 Bowl and all. 1:25:07.560 --> 1:25:12.040 How about this year with Ben Johnson. Yeah, with the 1:25:12.120 --> 1:25:16.000 Chicago Bears. Yeah, they're the new kid on the block. 1:25:16.080 --> 1:25:16.479 They are. 1:25:16.760 --> 1:25:20.880 Isn't this a weird season? Uh, Kevin, because there's no 1:25:21.320 --> 1:25:24.360 there's no Joe around that. Yeah, there's no Joe Burrow, 1:25:24.479 --> 1:25:27.920 there's no Patrick Mahomes, and there's no Lamar Jackson. But 1:25:28.040 --> 1:25:38.040 we've got Trevor Lawrence. You're gonna have uh, the Houston crowd. 1:25:38.280 --> 1:25:38.560 C J. 1:25:38.720 --> 1:25:42.840 Stroud and uh, yep, yeah yeah around to here. 1:25:43.040 --> 1:25:48.160 Yeah, but Bego's gotta do something. They only got Burrow 1:25:48.240 --> 1:25:49.080 for a few more years. 1:25:49.240 --> 1:25:50.960 Right, Yeah, you're absolutely. 1:25:50.600 --> 1:25:54.519 Right, and God do something on the Red's end. Frank Coda, 1:25:54.600 --> 1:25:56.439 Maybe it takes more than one year. I still think 1:25:56.520 --> 1:25:59.840 he can whip these guys into a contender. But you'll, 1:26:00.320 --> 1:26:02.799 we need some offense. Isn't it funny? They need offense, 1:26:03.040 --> 1:26:04.240 pigles need defense. 1:26:04.280 --> 1:26:05.320 That's exactly right. 1:26:06.760 --> 1:26:09.400 But hey, hey maybe maybe they get it together. It's 1:26:09.400 --> 1:26:11.920 always hope for spring training, right, chicks can't wait? 1:26:12.120 --> 1:26:12.760 That's all I got. 1:26:12.880 --> 1:26:15.519 You're right, Thanks so much, Kevin, all right, and yes 1:26:15.640 --> 1:26:19.559 go bucks, uh Sue? Oh boy, here we go, here 1:26:19.600 --> 1:26:19.800 we go? 1:26:20.040 --> 1:26:20.160 Hi? 1:26:20.640 --> 1:26:24.240 Oh yeah, Well I will talk about Reds and then 1:26:25.920 --> 1:26:28.439 I'm glad for a couple of the new players that 1:26:28.680 --> 1:26:33.080 they've gotten. But I was downtown l last week, and 1:26:33.160 --> 1:26:37.679 I haven't been downtown for ages. I think it's good 1:26:37.720 --> 1:26:41.240 that the Reds test will be at the new Convention Center, 1:26:42.080 --> 1:26:45.320 but when you haven't been down there a long time, 1:26:45.479 --> 1:26:50.920 you have to find your way again downtown. And mis 1:26:51.000 --> 1:26:55.240 condoned neat to see that ice skating places near there, 1:26:55.960 --> 1:26:59.519 but I am going to try to get down to 1:26:59.680 --> 1:27:05.160 see it. But don't know about that fountain, but it's 1:27:05.200 --> 1:27:10.120 easy to find. We found that out, and I'm hoping that. 1:27:10.240 --> 1:27:12.160 The Reds do have a better sheet. 1:27:12.280 --> 1:27:14.080 And then your bangals. 1:27:14.160 --> 1:27:18.680 Okay, all right, amen, alright, Sue. And when you say 1:27:18.760 --> 1:27:23.360 he went downtown, I remember is a kid, our aunts 1:27:23.400 --> 1:27:27.599 and uncles, our parents took us downtown for Christmas shopping. 1:27:27.800 --> 1:27:30.760 Well downtown. Yeah it was awesome. Yeah, I bet it 1:27:30.920 --> 1:27:35.519 was taking the bus downtown. And yeah, just I would 1:27:35.560 --> 1:27:38.160 love to see Cincinnati's downtown in those days. In those 1:27:38.240 --> 1:27:41.759 days must have been real toes. Yeah, Oh my gosh. 1:27:41.800 --> 1:27:44.599 They had the what was it, the Santus Workshop elves downtown. 1:27:44.880 --> 1:27:47.200 They used to have a huge display of elves that 1:27:47.240 --> 1:27:49.920 would make it look like they were making presents, and 1:27:50.439 --> 1:27:53.200 it was like widely. It was an internationally claimed as 1:27:53.400 --> 1:27:56.559 as a as A as a big deal, no doubt. 1:27:56.720 --> 1:27:58.320 Hey, if we reached the bottom of the hour News, 1:27:58.360 --> 1:28:00.800 we have a half hour to go and then Donna 1:28:00.880 --> 1:28:02.840 d and Doctor West are going to take over these 1:28:02.880 --> 1:28:07.479 airwaves and talk relationships at nine o'clock. Until then, Chick 1:28:07.560 --> 1:28:12.240 Ludwig with Sean McMahon seven hundred WLW Sports Talk thirty 1:28:12.400 --> 1:28:15.520 seven in the Queens City of Cincinnati, Chick Ludwig alongside 1:28:15.560 --> 1:28:18.640 Sean McMahon. This is Sports Talk. We're going to the 1:28:18.720 --> 1:28:21.800 top of the hour and then Donna d along with 1:28:21.880 --> 1:28:25.479 her guest Doctor West, gonna be talking relationships and just 1:28:25.560 --> 1:28:28.960 to remind her the place to celebrate after a Bengals 1:28:29.040 --> 1:28:35.479 victory tomorrow, Wings and Rings, Beckett Ridge location, Plum Square 1:28:36.000 --> 1:28:40.360 in Westchester. I'll be there with Jim Breach Bengals Legend 1:28:41.240 --> 1:28:44.519 from five thirty to eight thirty, broadcasting live from Wings 1:28:44.600 --> 1:28:49.719 and Rings on seven hundred WLW and Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty. Well, Sean, 1:28:50.120 --> 1:28:56.320 today is a college football plut watchers dream. Oh yeah, 1:28:56.680 --> 1:28:59.880 it is Walter Wall from morning until midnight tonight. 1:29:00.120 --> 1:29:03.800 College football eleven am kickoff with a Military Bowl today 1:29:03.840 --> 1:29:06.599 between EASTCU and pitt And that was a great game, 1:29:06.720 --> 1:29:09.760 by the way East Carolina prevailed. I think we heard 1:29:09.840 --> 1:29:14.040 Marcus Hartman earlier talking about that game and how East 1:29:14.080 --> 1:29:18.160 Carolina was down so many pieces offensively quarterback, tight end, 1:29:18.240 --> 1:29:21.200 some wide receivers and they still managed to win today. 1:29:21.360 --> 1:29:22.879 That was a great win for East Carolina. 1:29:23.000 --> 1:29:25.880 But yeah, Wall to Wall coverage from morning until night 1:29:26.160 --> 1:29:29.680 with college football bowl games, and me personally, Chick, I'm 1:29:29.720 --> 1:29:32.160 still about bowl season. I don't care what anybody says 1:29:32.160 --> 1:29:35.320 about the playoff dominating. Anybody who says bowl games don't 1:29:35.360 --> 1:29:38.479 matter is just playing wrong. I love it this time 1:29:38.520 --> 1:29:38.840 of year. 1:29:39.200 --> 1:29:39.640 I do too. 1:29:40.479 --> 1:29:42.560 I'm always hunting the game, yep. And you got to 1:29:42.680 --> 1:29:46.080 have that remote ready. You had the People's National Championship 1:29:46.160 --> 1:29:46.519 on today. 1:29:46.560 --> 1:29:50.519 That's the pop Tart Bowl, the BYU Cougars beating the 1:29:50.640 --> 1:29:53.479 Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets twenty five to twenty one today. 1:29:53.960 --> 1:29:57.080 Always a great game, the pop Tart Bowl, and BYU 1:29:57.200 --> 1:29:59.799 of course just missing out on the college Football Playoff. 1:30:00.200 --> 1:30:01.800 Felt good to get a win in the Pop Tarts 1:30:01.880 --> 1:30:05.640 fifteen points in the fourth quarter for BYU knocking off 1:30:05.720 --> 1:30:08.720 Georgia Tech twenty five to twenty one in the pop 1:30:08.800 --> 1:30:12.959 Tarts Bowl. But I'm bumming because it's an honorary Miami 1:30:13.120 --> 1:30:17.479 in yes, honorary. They fall today to Fresno State in 1:30:17.560 --> 1:30:21.920 this snoop dog Arizona Bowl eighteen to three, a game 1:30:22.080 --> 1:30:26.559 called on the CW by our very own Tom Brennaman. 1:30:26.640 --> 1:30:28.160 How about it? And he gets to hang out with 1:30:28.200 --> 1:30:30.120 Snoop Dogg. It's the second year in a row two 1:30:30.439 --> 1:30:33.000 That is fantastic. And I didn't see that Snoop Dogg 1:30:33.280 --> 1:30:36.160 joined Tom. Oh yeah, in the in the presspot. 1:30:36.280 --> 1:30:38.479 He needs to do that here though. Tom needs to 1:30:38.520 --> 1:30:40.960 bring him in. Yeah, preferably on a Monday or Tuesday 1:30:41.160 --> 1:30:44.960 when I'm usually working with Tom. So selfishly, I can 1:30:45.040 --> 1:30:47.600 hang out with Snoop Dogg. Now, whether or not he 1:30:47.680 --> 1:30:49.360 wants to come in at eight o'clock in the morning 1:30:49.840 --> 1:30:52.960 is his prerogative. Yeah, we'll see, but I think that'd 1:30:53.000 --> 1:30:54.400 be a lot of fun. You will be up all 1:30:54.520 --> 1:30:57.680 night and then come in probably, Yes, fantastic. 1:30:57.760 --> 1:31:01.120 Well, in the third quarter here, late third quarter, North 1:31:01.240 --> 1:31:05.800 Texas a shootout here twenty fifth ranked thirty five to 1:31:05.920 --> 1:31:10.280 twenty lead over San Diego State in the New Mexico Bowl, 1:31:11.840 --> 1:31:14.360 and Missouri has a ten to three lead at the 1:31:14.479 --> 1:31:17.760 seven oh eight mark. In the second quarter, Missouri, the 1:31:17.840 --> 1:31:21.559 Tigers have a seven to three lead over nineteenth rank Virginia. 1:31:22.280 --> 1:31:26.759 So and then later tonight we've got LSU at Houston 1:31:28.920 --> 1:31:33.360 nine to twenty kickoff in the Texas Bowl. That's at 1:31:33.520 --> 1:31:38.320 NRG Stadium, home of the Houston Texans, YEP and and 1:31:38.439 --> 1:31:41.960 you give us those other scores there Sean from uh yeah, 1:31:41.960 --> 1:31:43.040 if you got them up. Yeah. 1:31:43.080 --> 1:31:45.880 Penn State, who at one point in their season was 1:31:46.000 --> 1:31:50.080 three and six, came back from the dead to being 1:31:50.120 --> 1:31:52.280 at six and six. They made it to the Bad 1:31:52.320 --> 1:31:56.439 Boy Mowers Pinstripe Bowl. They prevailed over Clemson twenty two 1:31:56.520 --> 1:31:59.360 to ten. Today, man, what a disappointing season for both 1:31:59.439 --> 1:32:03.000 of those teams. Twenty two to ten over Clemson for 1:32:03.160 --> 1:32:07.360 the Penn State Nitney Lyons and that's all I've got. 1:32:08.800 --> 1:32:10.400 That's the only other score that we didn't touch. 1:32:10.680 --> 1:32:13.280 Army did beat Yukon forty one to sixteen as well 1:32:13.320 --> 1:32:16.600 in the Wassabi Fenway Bowl, a bowl game that was 1:32:16.640 --> 1:32:18.680 the last bowl game that you see actually made it to. 1:32:19.320 --> 1:32:22.920 They played Louisville, and that was when Fickel had just 1:32:23.080 --> 1:32:26.840 left to go to Wisconsin and Scott Saderfield had just 1:32:27.080 --> 1:32:30.519 left Louisville to come coach the Bearcats. So that was 1:32:30.520 --> 1:32:31.920 the last time you see was in a bowl game. 1:32:32.000 --> 1:32:35.760 So forty one to sixteen Army over Yukon not surprising. 1:32:35.880 --> 1:32:40.479 Chick Yukon play Hey, listen, playing an academy is tough. 1:32:41.000 --> 1:32:43.920 Those offenses are hard to defend. They absolutely are. It 1:32:44.000 --> 1:32:46.799 was cool to have games. That game was at Fenway, 1:32:47.240 --> 1:32:50.360 the Pinstripe bull is at Yankee Stadium Stadium. 1:32:50.479 --> 1:32:54.200 Yeah, so two historic places like that. That is a phenomenal. 1:32:54.640 --> 1:32:58.760 But you know, even though Miami lost today, Man, congratulations 1:32:58.800 --> 1:33:02.960 to the job that Chuck Martin did for the Miami 1:33:03.040 --> 1:33:07.040 RedHawks this year. Losing your quarterback at a really a 1:33:07.160 --> 1:33:09.760 terrible time. Just jumped out middle of the season, just 1:33:09.880 --> 1:33:14.599 jumped out, decided to just start preparing for the NFL Draft. 1:33:14.680 --> 1:33:18.240 He's been at several different places. But to leave your 1:33:18.280 --> 1:33:21.040 teammates like that, that was tough. That was a confusing 1:33:21.120 --> 1:33:23.200 move on his part. I didn't really understand it. 1:33:23.320 --> 1:33:26.040 I know entirely. I you know, if you think you 1:33:26.080 --> 1:33:28.760 have a shot the NFL, good for you. But I 1:33:28.840 --> 1:33:30.800 really didn't think leaving the middle of the season was 1:33:30.880 --> 1:33:32.880 the right move. That's not a great look to NFL 1:33:32.920 --> 1:33:34.600 scouts to just go I'm gonna jump out of my 1:33:34.680 --> 1:33:36.559 team and go get ready like you're in the middle 1:33:36.560 --> 1:33:38.160 of a season. Man, you still got a team you 1:33:38.200 --> 1:33:41.639 gotta lead. But yeah, like you said, Chuck Martin taking 1:33:41.720 --> 1:33:44.720 his team to the MAC Championship. 1:33:45.680 --> 1:33:46.280 But of course they did. 1:33:46.320 --> 1:33:48.320 I don't think they did not win the MAC Championship 1:33:48.360 --> 1:33:51.800 that belonged to Western Michigan this year, but they got 1:33:51.880 --> 1:33:54.120 there partially like kind of like how Duke did with 1:33:54.200 --> 1:33:57.360 the ACC. Those head to head tiebreakers allowed them to 1:33:57.439 --> 1:33:59.400 get in and play for a conference title. 1:33:59.640 --> 1:34:02.800 Now, at the same time here that we've got wall 1:34:02.840 --> 1:34:07.479 to wall college football, there's two NFL games today. The 1:34:07.680 --> 1:34:14.800 Texans defeat the Los Angeles Chargers twenty to sixteen in LA, 1:34:16.040 --> 1:34:19.000 and then the Ravens have a thirteen to seven lead 1:34:19.120 --> 1:34:22.560 over the Packers at the thirteen minute mark in the 1:34:22.640 --> 1:34:28.280 second quarter. Packers are already in right, and so there's 1:34:28.320 --> 1:34:31.680 really only a couple of spots open, and that is 1:34:31.800 --> 1:34:37.040 the NFC South, either Carolina or Tampa Bay. Carolina has 1:34:37.080 --> 1:34:38.560 the upper hand there and they look like they have 1:34:38.680 --> 1:34:42.479 all the momentum. Yes, and then the AFC North all 1:34:42.600 --> 1:34:45.920 but settled with the Pittsburgh Steelers having a two game 1:34:46.120 --> 1:34:49.160 lead over the Ravens with two games to go. 1:34:49.320 --> 1:34:52.479 Here, so you said it earlier, Check, this has been 1:34:52.600 --> 1:34:56.280 a weird season. It really weird the amount of the 1:34:56.840 --> 1:34:59.120 teams that are making it to the playoff this year. 1:35:00.000 --> 1:35:03.400 I don't think anybody could have predicted a season like this, 1:35:03.640 --> 1:35:08.360 it's it's entertaining. Obviously not for Bengals fans, but if 1:35:08.400 --> 1:35:10.920 you're just a sports fan, it's entertaining to see these 1:35:11.120 --> 1:35:13.519 Some of these teams rise at like Carolina. Who would 1:35:13.520 --> 1:35:18.800 have thought Carolina and the Texans or the collapse of 1:35:18.920 --> 1:35:20.080 the Colts. 1:35:20.720 --> 1:35:23.040 The Colts oh at eight and two at one time, 1:35:23.479 --> 1:35:27.200 and then Daniel Jones has a has an injury, the 1:35:27.280 --> 1:35:31.120 Achilles injury and base signing with Sauce Gardner as well, Yes, 1:35:31.320 --> 1:35:34.160 who was who got injured? And then to bring back 1:35:35.360 --> 1:35:40.639 wow a grandpa. Yeah in literally yes, at forty four, 1:35:41.080 --> 1:35:44.000 no doubt. It's incredible, man, it really is. Got to 1:35:44.000 --> 1:35:46.080 give him credit, you do, I mean for he what 1:35:46.200 --> 1:35:48.559 he had three days to learn an offense? Oh my gosh, 1:35:48.800 --> 1:35:53.160 three days. He's made over two hundred million dollars in 1:35:53.240 --> 1:35:55.640 his uh, in his career. I'm eager to see what 1:35:55.800 --> 1:35:58.720 his pro rated salary is this year. Yeah, you know 1:35:58.920 --> 1:36:01.000 for just a handful of games here. Yeah, I know 1:36:01.080 --> 1:36:02.479 his insurance gets extended too. 1:36:02.720 --> 1:36:02.840 Uh. 1:36:02.960 --> 1:36:05.799 Yes, that is uh, that is fantastics a good benefit 1:36:05.840 --> 1:36:10.160 for this. Now we're gonna take one more break here 1:36:10.439 --> 1:36:12.880 and then we'll kickfight, scratch and claw to the top 1:36:12.960 --> 1:36:15.599 of the hour, and what I want to talk about 1:36:15.640 --> 1:36:21.519 when we come back from break the NFL versus the 1:36:21.640 --> 1:36:28.120 college football playoffs and college football for viewership. Yeah, because 1:36:28.160 --> 1:36:32.400 the NFL, they don't care. They're gonna they are a 1:36:32.960 --> 1:36:38.519 money making steamrolling machine. They don't care who else is on. 1:36:39.000 --> 1:36:43.320 They're coming for ratings. The National Football League is a monster. 1:36:44.040 --> 1:36:51.120 When we come back on seven hundred WLW nine minutes 1:36:51.160 --> 1:36:53.640 before the top of the nine o'clock hour, this is 1:36:53.760 --> 1:36:57.560 Chick Ludwig alongside Sean McMahon. This is Sports Talk on 1:36:57.720 --> 1:37:01.360 seven hundred WLW. Thanks to all the loyal listeners were 1:37:01.439 --> 1:37:04.080 checking us out today and allowing us to be a 1:37:04.200 --> 1:37:09.479 part of your day. Sean, I love reading Yahoo Sports. 1:37:09.760 --> 1:37:14.400 Jay Busby and he brings up a metaphor. Have you 1:37:14.439 --> 1:37:16.559 ever gone to the airport and you go to your 1:37:16.680 --> 1:37:19.960 gate and there's no seats, but you see a guy 1:37:21.600 --> 1:37:25.280 stretched out over three or four seats. Two more of 1:37:25.320 --> 1:37:28.520 the seats are taken up by his luggage is overnight 1:37:28.640 --> 1:37:32.400 bag and all this so he's taken up all this space. Okay, 1:37:33.200 --> 1:37:38.280 that is the NFL, that guy, Yep, everybody else Okay, 1:37:38.880 --> 1:37:43.479 it could be college football. It was back in nineteen 1:37:43.600 --> 1:37:48.000 sixty one, the Sports Broadcasting Act of nineteen sixty one 1:37:48.160 --> 1:37:53.960 protected college and high school football from the NFL's you 1:37:54.040 --> 1:37:58.160 could call it incursion, and it mandated that the shield 1:37:58.200 --> 1:38:02.320 the NFL could not play Saturday games before the second 1:38:02.479 --> 1:38:08.800 Saturday in December, right when college football's regular season ends. 1:38:09.920 --> 1:38:14.120 The problem is, nobody back in sixty one foresaw what 1:38:14.400 --> 1:38:18.639 is happening today with number one, all the bowl games 1:38:19.040 --> 1:38:23.280 and the college football playoffs. So no matter that we 1:38:23.479 --> 1:38:27.439 have what eight games today or however many there are, 1:38:27.920 --> 1:38:31.320 the NFL is going to play on Saturdays and steal 1:38:31.640 --> 1:38:36.439 viewers because they can. They're the NFL, the almighty, the 1:38:36.560 --> 1:38:41.360 all powerful. But like you said, Sean during the break, 1:38:41.840 --> 1:38:47.800 they're showing up in competition with college football on networks 1:38:48.040 --> 1:38:50.200 that not all of us have access to. 1:38:50.479 --> 1:38:53.120 Right, these streaming services that people don't want to pay 1:38:53.200 --> 1:38:56.479 extra money for, like the Peacocks and Netflix. 1:38:56.120 --> 1:39:02.160 And namely Prime. Yea, yeah, Netflix, it is NFL network, 1:39:02.560 --> 1:39:06.000 Peacock and Amazon Prime. And I'm looking at this on there. Okay, 1:39:06.000 --> 1:39:08.120 I've got the NFL network, but I don't have these 1:39:08.160 --> 1:39:11.120 other stations. I can't watch right exactly. 1:39:11.320 --> 1:39:13.880 And then you know, people resorted to other means of 1:39:13.960 --> 1:39:18.639 watching those games via illegal streaming services online. They resort 1:39:18.680 --> 1:39:22.599 to those methods, and they wonder why they lose viewers. 1:39:22.600 --> 1:39:25.280 It's because you make these games exclusive and then you 1:39:25.439 --> 1:39:27.880 drive people to I guess you would call it I'm 1:39:27.880 --> 1:39:31.400 gonna put this in their quotes, desperation to watch these games. 1:39:31.880 --> 1:39:33.400 It's mind numbing. 1:39:33.439 --> 1:39:35.920 And you would think that they would want to work 1:39:36.040 --> 1:39:38.960 hand in hand with college football because these networks are 1:39:39.040 --> 1:39:42.040 paying so much money to get both of these products, 1:39:42.080 --> 1:39:45.200 college football and the NFL on their air waves. You 1:39:45.240 --> 1:39:48.360 would think they would work hand in hand. And it's 1:39:48.400 --> 1:39:52.840 been what sixty four years since that bill was signed. Yeah, 1:39:53.000 --> 1:39:57.160 so you would think that between then and now there'd 1:39:57.200 --> 1:40:01.360 be other legislation or I mean, I don't want Congress 1:40:01.400 --> 1:40:03.559 to get involved in those sorts of things. I would 1:40:03.560 --> 1:40:05.880 prefer the NFL and college football talk this sort of 1:40:05.920 --> 1:40:09.000 thing over and go, hey, look, the NFL is nothing 1:40:09.080 --> 1:40:12.840 without college football. You get your players from college. You 1:40:12.920 --> 1:40:15.920 should want to work with us. We can work with you. 1:40:16.600 --> 1:40:20.400 Will have our games on Saturdays, you have yours on Sundays. 1:40:20.479 --> 1:40:23.080 We can promote the heck out of your games if 1:40:23.120 --> 1:40:25.120 we have our playoff games and you know, they can 1:40:25.200 --> 1:40:27.880 be lead ins to NFL games. 1:40:27.960 --> 1:40:29.720 You know, maybe you do it that way. Maybe you have. 1:40:31.280 --> 1:40:36.120 College games lead into NFL games on the same day. Yes, 1:40:36.320 --> 1:40:39.439 you have sort of almost warm ups to the NFL games. 1:40:39.520 --> 1:40:42.200 You can do things that can make sense, but they 1:40:42.320 --> 1:40:45.160 choose not to because, like you said, they're the NFL. 1:40:45.240 --> 1:40:47.439 They're going to have their way. And that's incredibly frustrating 1:40:47.520 --> 1:40:52.040 because college football is just as, if not bigger arguably 1:40:52.600 --> 1:40:55.120 than the NFL. Because there are certain regions of the 1:40:55.200 --> 1:41:00.200 country that don't have a team that root for college teams. Yeah, 1:41:00.200 --> 1:41:02.120 I think about the Deep South. Check, I think about 1:41:02.360 --> 1:41:04.800 I think about Atlanta, Georgia. Yes, you know they have 1:41:04.920 --> 1:41:08.240 the Falcons, but people down there are rooting for Alabama 1:41:08.439 --> 1:41:11.960 and Auburn and Georgia and Tennessee. The college is a 1:41:12.080 --> 1:41:14.800 religion down there, no doubt it's not. The NFL is 1:41:15.280 --> 1:41:19.280 second to college football, So you would think that they 1:41:19.320 --> 1:41:21.519 would want to work hand in hand and figure this 1:41:21.640 --> 1:41:24.760 out together, as opposed to the NFL just saying now 1:41:24.800 --> 1:41:25.680 we're going to have our way. 1:41:26.000 --> 1:41:29.040 It's it's it's mind boggling, it really is. And I 1:41:29.360 --> 1:41:31.720 just wanted to bring that up because, yeah, there are 1:41:31.800 --> 1:41:36.280 two NFL games on while college football is being played. Yeah, 1:41:36.320 --> 1:41:39.559 and I'm more focused on the college games. Oh, absolutely, yes. 1:41:39.760 --> 1:41:43.639 And Wednesday night, I mean I live for. My favorite 1:41:43.720 --> 1:41:46.439 day of the year is jan one. I mean my 1:41:46.520 --> 1:41:51.400 brother's house in Westchester. He's a food broker, my brother Jeff. Yes, 1:41:51.640 --> 1:41:53.519 and there's gonna be great food. There's going to be 1:41:53.560 --> 1:41:57.599 great football on And Ohio State is on the night 1:41:57.640 --> 1:42:00.960 before New Year's Eve, seven thirty. It's either going to 1:42:01.040 --> 1:42:06.760 be a wonderful New Year's Eve or a lousy one. Yeah, 1:42:07.000 --> 1:42:09.400 I'm worried about the Miami Hurricanes. 1:42:09.520 --> 1:42:12.160 Hopefully, Chick it doesn't end up like the Georgia game 1:42:12.240 --> 1:42:14.679 a few years ago, where right at the stroke of midnight, 1:42:14.880 --> 1:42:17.000 the Buckeys lose the game on a missed field goal. 1:42:17.400 --> 1:42:19.920 Hopefully you start the new year on a positive note 1:42:20.680 --> 1:42:21.759 for you and your Buckeyes. 1:42:21.840 --> 1:42:28.439 But I remember Georgia obliterating Marvin Harrison junior. Yes, waiting 1:42:28.520 --> 1:42:32.920 for the flag to come out for uh, you know, 1:42:34.840 --> 1:42:42.320 illegal contact or p I or something unsportsmanlike conduct roughing, 1:42:42.640 --> 1:42:47.120 you know, yeah, targeting whatever. Come back from the commercial break, 1:42:47.520 --> 1:42:50.240 the Buckuys, You're kicking a field goal? What yah are 1:42:50.320 --> 1:42:53.960 you kidding me. Yeah, And then Georgia exploded for a 1:42:54.200 --> 1:42:58.360 long Instead of grinding out a long run, they scored 1:42:58.479 --> 1:43:04.760 quickly and reminded me of the Bengals against Buffalo. Just 1:43:05.840 --> 1:43:10.840 make Josh Allen matriculate the bulk. No, no, forty yards boom, yeah, 1:43:10.960 --> 1:43:14.120 you know, and they're right back on the So it's crazy. Yeah. 1:43:14.200 --> 1:43:16.280 And while we're on the college topic here, chick, we've 1:43:16.280 --> 1:43:19.120 got a few minutes left. We mentioned it briefly in 1:43:19.200 --> 1:43:20.920 the show, but we didn't really talk much about it. 1:43:20.960 --> 1:43:24.599 The Kyle Whittingham hire at Michigan. That's a big deal. 1:43:25.600 --> 1:43:29.000 I don't think anybody across the country even thought for 1:43:29.120 --> 1:43:32.640 a moment about Kyle Whittingham being a serious candidate for 1:43:32.800 --> 1:43:36.840 Michigan because he's been at Utah since two thousand. 1:43:36.520 --> 1:43:39.559 And five, twenty one years, twenty one years. 1:43:39.840 --> 1:43:42.080 And from what I'm hearing, he's kind of he was 1:43:42.160 --> 1:43:45.880 kind of pushed out, which shocks me because Utah, I mean, 1:43:45.960 --> 1:43:48.400 they were big because of Urban Meyer. And by the way, 1:43:48.800 --> 1:43:53.000 Urban Meyer was the last coach at Utah before Kyle Whittingham. 1:43:53.479 --> 1:43:56.280 So this it's amazing to think that Kyle Whittingham was 1:43:56.320 --> 1:43:59.240 there through Urban Meyer's best years at Florida and his 1:43:59.320 --> 1:44:01.680 best years at Ohio State. And he has been there 1:44:01.720 --> 1:44:04.920 for so I chick, I was like in kindergarten when 1:44:05.000 --> 1:44:07.400 Kyle Whittingham got higher. The fact that they wanted him 1:44:07.400 --> 1:44:09.439 pushed out after a ten and two season makes no 1:44:09.560 --> 1:44:10.040 sense to me. 1:44:10.400 --> 1:44:11.600 But for Michigan, I. 1:44:11.640 --> 1:44:13.920 Think it's a good hire. We'll see if it's a 1:44:14.040 --> 1:44:16.639 long term solution or if it's kind of a mid range. 1:44:16.840 --> 1:44:18.880 I don't know. I like the five years, not these 1:44:19.000 --> 1:44:21.560 ten year, one hundred million dollar deals. Yeah, it's a 1:44:21.640 --> 1:44:25.800 five year deal. His job is to restore credibility in 1:44:25.880 --> 1:44:31.320 a place that's marred by all these controversies and these scandals. 1:44:31.400 --> 1:44:33.760 Yeah, and he builds a really good program man the 1:44:33.840 --> 1:44:36.320 guys that he brings through his program. Utah was always 1:44:36.360 --> 1:44:38.839 a tough play. I saw something earlier from an Oregon 1:44:38.920 --> 1:44:43.559 fan online who had mentioned that he always hated playing 1:44:44.240 --> 1:44:48.439 Utah because Utah was always bringing their a game every 1:44:48.600 --> 1:44:50.880 single time. It didn't matter how good or how bad 1:44:50.960 --> 1:44:54.040 they were. They just were a physical team under Kyle Whittingham. 1:44:54.040 --> 1:44:56.680 And that's a testament to Kyle and the program and 1:44:56.960 --> 1:44:59.120 the culture that he built while he was at Utah. 1:44:59.360 --> 1:45:04.560 No doubt with the Gosh Mountain, west Pac twelve and 1:45:04.960 --> 1:45:05.559 the Big twelve. 1:45:05.680 --> 1:45:05.880 Yeah. 1:45:06.080 --> 1:45:09.559 So he's been around, he's seen it all, he's done 1:45:09.600 --> 1:45:12.920 it all, and this is a great hire. It's a 1:45:12.920 --> 1:45:15.240 good hire. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And hey, we want to 1:45:15.280 --> 1:45:19.000 thank our guest today Scott Springer from the Enquirer in 1:45:19.080 --> 1:45:26.839 Cincinnati dot Com Trags, Mike Petralia Bengals insider, Marcus Hartman 1:45:27.520 --> 1:45:32.519 from Cussword Sports and Press Pros magazine, and of course 1:45:33.400 --> 1:45:38.880 William Jefferson, Willie Cunningham, Willie J. Cunning That was fantastic 1:45:38.960 --> 1:45:41.360 and Sean, it's been an honor, pleasure and privilege being 1:45:41.520 --> 1:45:44.160 with you today. Thank you very much. Chick I enjoyed it, 1:45:44.439 --> 1:45:48.400 fantastic and until next time on behalf of Sean McMahon. 1:45:48.439 --> 1:45:51.719 This is the Chickster Chick Ludwig saying thanks for listening 1:45:52.520 --> 1:45:55.559 to the Home of the Reds and the best Bengals coverage. 1:45:55.640 --> 1:45:57.160 Seven hundred a WLW