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Speaker 2: the Snoop Dog Arizona Ball. And oh yeah, the Michigan

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Speaker 2: Wolverines have a new football coach in longtime Utah coach

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Speaker 2: Kyle Whittingham, a move that also impacts the University of Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: And speaking of the UC Bearcats, we welcome in from

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Speaker 2: the Inquirer and Cincinnati dot Com Scott Springer, who covers

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Speaker 2: the Bearcats. Scott, thanks for hanging tough with us tonight.

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Speaker 2: Can we go ahead and put Scott on there. Here

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Speaker 2: we go, Scott, thanks so much for joining us tonight.

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Speaker 1: Hey.

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Speaker 3: I talked to Kyle Whittingham at the twelve media days

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Speaker 3: there in uh in Frisco, Texas back in July. Good guy,

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Speaker 3: what a hire? And what did he just you know

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Speaker 3: from New Mexico I think it was and brought the

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Speaker 3: good hire by Michigan.

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Speaker 2: No doubt. And I also think of Kerry Combs, who

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he gets paid either way. I hope

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Speaker 3: he's six. Carry's a good guy. I'm always rooting for

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Speaker 3: the Ogs man, no doubt, no doubt. Yeah, Uh, far

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Speaker 3: is not his fault.

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Speaker 2: So it's a beautiful thing.

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Speaker 2: That's fantastastic for Carrie. We're definitely rooting for him. And

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Speaker 2: and how about the Bearcats coming up, getting ready to

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Speaker 2: go against Navy on January second in Memphis and a

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Speaker 2: lot of changes. New quarterback Brady Lichtenberg gets his chance here, Scott.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And he actually played in the last Bowl

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Speaker 3: So nothing to write home about. But there's like four

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Speaker 3: and hey, you know, from adversity comes opportunity, said the

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Speaker 3: great Rick Menner. And this is his chance. Brendan Sowersby,

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Speaker 3: And that would have been a nice matchup if you

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Speaker 3: looked at Soorsby versus Blake Rba, the Navy quarterback, and

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Speaker 3: early on UC was favored in this game, and that

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Speaker 3: prove themselves. And you know, Navy's good number twenty two

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Speaker 3: gonna have several more practices. Will that matter, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Joe Royer's playing. I think that really says something. And

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Speaker 2: Royer, good elder boy, very positive sign. Scott, This is

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Speaker 2: Sean McMahon. How you doing tonight?

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Speaker 1: Great? What's up?

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Speaker 5: I got a quick question for you. You mentioned how

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Speaker 5: their homecoming game. What's the path to victory for you see?

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Speaker 5: With them missing so many key players.

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Speaker 3: Well, you have to hope that Reggy Lichtenberg plays with

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Speaker 3: always say that the tough team wins, whoever wants it,

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Speaker 2: Scott Scott Springer with us. Yeah, Scott Springer with us

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Speaker 2: for a little bit more. Man really appreciate your time, Scott,

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Speaker 2: and we were talking off the area, Sean and I

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Speaker 2: Sean bumps into Brady Lichtenberg's mom at a concession stand

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Speaker 5: And you know, I hope he makes the most of

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Toledo kids, Yeah, Yeah, Toledo kid, Toledo Saint John.

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Speaker 2: That came in with some really good credentials, but he's

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Speaker 2: gutted it out here, Scott, and that says a lot

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Speaker 3: Tashi is his second start in twenty twenty three, the

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Speaker 3: if I'd pay five millions, you know, yeah, it's it's

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Speaker 2: the way they run the football, man, that's going to

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it's just a it's an old offense, but

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Speaker 3: But they're able to throw out of it too. So

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Speaker 2: Would you can would you think that he would continue

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Speaker 3: Think he's going to start Monday, but I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Jizzle brings the sizzle. Man, we want him back. We've

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Speaker 3: I'm happy he is back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good headline. All right, Scott. Hey, really appreciate you

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Speaker 2: Well they got it. They're getting it. They're getting it

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Speaker 5: It kind of just feels like more of the same.

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Speaker 5: One thing I wondered, Chick, is if you are able

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Speaker 2: It's it's that simple. And hopefully if JJ Bledet can improve,

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00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,119
Speaker 2: and we saw some good numbers from him in twenty

431
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:33,160
Speaker 2: twenty four with the A's twenty home runs forty three doubles,

432
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,879
Speaker 2: he did back two forty three and he's he's really

433
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 2: cheap at one point four million, So yeah, money's not

434
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 2: a concern for either of these guys. And you've got

435
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 2: you know, they're decent hitters.

436
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,640
Speaker 5: About two forty two to fifty for both of them,

437
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 5: which in today's league isn't bad. A lot of people

438
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,439
Speaker 5: look at that and they scoff at that. But with

439
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 5: the way that today's hitters are hitting, not many people

440
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 5: are actually hitting above three hundred, so two forty two

441
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 5: to fifty is probably slightly above league average, maybe right

442
00:23:58,520 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 5: about there.

443
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:03,120
Speaker 2: Well, and Dane mais bat in two thirty five last year,

444
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 2: six home runs, thirty one RBIs in one hundred and

445
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 2: six games, six seventeen ops as well. Yeah, yeah, right

446
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 2: handed hitter. He's right handed and JJ Bletate lefty, so

447
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 2: both highly thought of.

448
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 1: Man.

449
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:21,360
Speaker 2: Fourth overall pick was JJ the day coming out of Vanderbilt. Yeah,

450
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 2: with the with the Marlins, and then he gets traded

451
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 2: to the Athletics, So, uh, want don't know what the

452
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 2: fans think. Is this love here? Are we rearranging deck

453
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 2: chairs on the Titanic? Or could these guys amount to something?

454
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 1: You know?

455
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 5: One thing, Chick that I heard Lance bring up was

456
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 5: why did the Reds seem like they never go after

457
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,880
Speaker 5: players who are good right now? Yeah, they go after

458
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 5: guys who were were good and at one point in

459
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 5: their career and you just hope that they're going to

460
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 5: be a spark for this team and it's really never

461
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 5: worked out it. The first name that comes to mind

462
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 5: for me is Mike Mustakis. Yes, that was the guy

463
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 5: who I remember when the red signed him, I felt

464
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 5: like a big deal. It really did ended up being

465
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 5: kind of a nothing burger, which stinks. You never want

466
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 5: you never you always want these guys to work out, right,

467
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 5: you want them to be comeback Player of the Year

468
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 5: and to have the best year they possibly can. By

469
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 5: no means is anybody rooting against these guys. But you know,

470
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 5: why can't they go after guys that are are killing

471
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 5: it in the league right now?

472
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 2: At least it's not costing them a lot like Candelarios

473
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 2: and uh and Mike Mustakas those those hurt. That's rough

474
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 2: they really did. Hey, yea, we got time to go

475
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 2: out through the phones. We got Bill in Monroe, Bill

476
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 2: by your season tickets Bill with these two signings.

477
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: Not at all.

478
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 4: I got my pack for Christmas, for their lives, and

479
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 4: that's about what we did last year. But I just

480
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 4: don't understand you have.

481
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 3: A glaring need. You had this need for two or

482
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 3: three years.

483
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 4: They're competitive, they need something to put them over the top.

484
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 4: And they this kid going back to General Dollar to

485
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 4: try to find it here to fill that spot, and

486
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 4: it's not gonna happen.

487
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 2: What's crazy, Bill? To me, what's crazy is they offered

488
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 2: Kyle Schwarber a boatload of money, what one hundred and

489
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 2: twenty million over five years, So the money was there,

490
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, no it's not We're back

491
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 2: to the payroll from last year and where did the

492
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 2: money go?

493
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, chick, I don't even understand the Schwarber thing because

494
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 4: I'm from Monroe here. I mean my Wiatt babysat Kyle Schwarber.

495
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 4: But she works have been around local school as you

496
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 4: might even know her. But the trick is Kyle Schwarber

497
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,640
Speaker 4: would have been worth and I don't know how who's

498
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 4: doing the mass of the Reds, but they're not very good.

499
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 4: Kyle Schwarber would have probably that would project be worth

500
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 4: at least ten to twelve million a year to the

501
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:58,439
Speaker 4: Reds when all of a sudden done and you project

502
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 4: that over five years, that's sixty million. If the Reds

503
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 4: are going to jump a guy like Kyleg Swarber, you've

504
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 4: got to offer him.

505
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 3: More than what everybody else is.

506
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 4: He would have taken one hundred and fifty million from

507
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 4: the Reds and done it gladly and been worth more

508
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 4: than that down the road. But the short sightedness and

509
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 4: just the repetition, it just breaks your heart. Because the

510
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 4: Reds have great pitching, they have great young players, they

511
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 4: have position players, but they need that bopper in their lineup.

512
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 4: I mean it's not rocket scientry, and you just don't

513
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 4: see him doing any of that. Luise Robert, the guy

514
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 4: hasn't played a full year in six years for the

515
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 4: White Sox.

516
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 2: You're absolutely right.

517
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 4: I mean you've got to go after somebody and be

518
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 4: aggressive doing it. I mean, like it's urgent. Don't try

519
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 4: to talk a guy down like kyleege Schwarbery. I mean,

520
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 4: he's only led what two straight years and home runs.

521
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 4: I hear guys knocking because he's going to strike out

522
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 4: two hundred times. He's not there to play defense, and

523
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 4: he's not there because he strikes up. He's there because

524
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 4: he knocks in about one hundred and thirty five one

525
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 4: hundred and forty runs a year. He's going to hit

526
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 4: you fifty or sixty home runs. Bill is what answers

527
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 4: what the Reds need?

528
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 2: Bill?

529
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 5: What does it say to you as a fan when

530
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 5: the Reds make these kinds of signings? What what message

531
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 5: do you get from the organization when when you see

532
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 5: them go after guys like this?

533
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 4: Well, I doubt that I'm very different than any of

534
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 4: the average fans. You're a fan because you're passionate about

535
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,360
Speaker 4: a sport. I'm an Ohio State football, Kentucky basketball fan.

536
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 4: These guys go after what they want and they do

537
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 4: it knowing that they're going to put a great product

538
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 4: on the field.

539
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 2: Ain't bad. Well, I'm with you with the guys, yes, sir.

540
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 4: But but but when you're talking about the Reds, Cincinnati

541
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 4: fans have not only been they're passionate and they've been patient.

542
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 4: Is this time for Casteline and that family to either

543
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:55,239
Speaker 4: put up or shut up?

544
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 2: Do you think they've been too patient?

545
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 4: Bill?

546
00:28:58,440 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 3: What's that?

547
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 2: Do you think Red fans have been too patient?

548
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 4: And I think that's to their credit since they baseball

549
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 4: fans are are are are true read I mean they're

550
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 4: they're they're they're purists, and they are they are passionate.

551
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 4: But my gosh, man, either do what you said you're

552
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 4: going to do or the true giveaway was where you're

553
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 4: gonna go. I mean might have been something we laugh about,

554
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 4: but they don't know just how accurate that was.

555
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 5: Well, then what about the comment they made about the

556
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 5: ticket sales too, after they couldn't get Kyle Schwarber right

557
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 5: about him driving ticket sales.

558
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 4: Well, when you got such short sightedness, like I said,

559
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 4: Kyle Schwarber, you may be paying him.

560
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 3: I mean he was worth thirty million a year.

561
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 4: He's yeah, but you may have been paying him one

562
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,479
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty but his total worth might have been

563
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 4: two hundred and fifty million. How can you not see

564
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 4: that the local guy comes home. I mean, just like

565
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 4: he did with Griffy. You bring these Cincinnati guys home

566
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 4: and and Red Spans is gonna show out.

567
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 3: They're gonna be there.

568
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 4: They're gonna buy stuff, They're gonna show the games, They're

569
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 4: gonna buy the jerseys.

570
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 2: I'll agree with you. Hey, we've got to run. Hey,

571
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 2: appreciate the call, Thank you, sir. One thing about this

572
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 2: city chick is though, and we've got touchdown Tommy calling

573
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 2: in from Milford, our favorite eagle, Tommy.

574
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: Are you there? But well you say, chicks there? All right.

575
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 2: Great to hear your voice as always.

576
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 6: It's always good to talk to you guys as well. Hey,

577
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 6: I kind of caught the back end. Just came out

578
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 6: of Cooper's Hawk. Had a great, great time there. But

579
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 6: the thing I got with the reds Man, the hard

580
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 6: part is that everybody's got to understand there is no

581
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 6: there is no payroll caps, you know, and you know

582
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 6: when you're gonna compete against La and New York, and

583
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 6: you can't afford to buy players. And the players you're

584
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 6: gonna buy, our guys are either past their prime or

585
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 6: you're looking for lightning in a bottle. You know, it's unfortunate,

586
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 6: you know, and then you make bad moves. I mean,

587
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 6: you know, Candelara, I mean that that hurts you from

588
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 6: Pittsburgh got sixteen million dollars. I mean, that's that's almost

589
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 6: ten percent of more than ten percent of your payer

590
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 6: are not getting anything out of it. And guess what's

591
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 6: gonna happen with day La Cruz. Where's that gonna go?

592
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 6: They're gonna get more draft picks and players, and because

593
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 6: they're not gonna be to afford him either. Yeah, the

594
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 6: Reds fans are just in a bad spot.

595
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 4: Man.

596
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 2: It would have been nice to get him signed a

597
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 2: here or two ago. Really for the long term.

598
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, who knows.

599
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're gonna have to open up that pocketbook for that. Wow,

600
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 2: they're gonna have to the breaks truck for there's no doubt.

601
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,479
Speaker 6: And you know what, you know what's gonna happen. I mean,

602
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 6: for pr they're gonna have to do it. But you know,

603
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 6: Casoline doesn't have the cash. I mean, unfortunately, he's an

604
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 6: owner that runs as a business versus many of these

605
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 6: owners run this as a hobby. I mean financially, I mean,

606
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 6: we just can't compete in that space. And you know, unfortunately,

607
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 6: it's gonna be interesting if the NFL got it right

608
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 6: by putting a salary cap in there. It allows middle

609
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 6: market teams to participate. And when the Reds don't do

610
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 6: well drafting, you've got nowhere else picked up players. And

611
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 6: if you look at their starting lineup, I think half

612
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 6: of their starting lineup, maybe even slightly more than that,

613
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 6: are guys they picked up in trade.

614
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: They were in guys they developed well, and they're just hoping.

615
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 2: The Spencer Steers of the world and yeah, you know,

616
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 2: and some of the free agents they've picked up will

617
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 2: just continue to improve. And I'm I'm excited about South Stewart.

618
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 2: The guy can play first base. He can d h.

619
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 2: I love Spencer Steer, my favorite player. He can play

620
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 2: left field, first base, So there's some versatility there. They're

621
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 2: just trying to catch lightning in a bottle here with

622
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 2: the two guys that they acquired today, So we will see.

623
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 6: It's frustrating, it is, right, Yeah, but it's you know,

624
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 6: the good news is the guys you talked about, they're

625
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 6: great teammates. I mean, and Frankcona is a great guy

626
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,479
Speaker 6: in the clubhouse. I mean, as a fan, you can

627
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 6: at least root for good guys, right, Yeah, you don't

628
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 6: have trouble makers. You got guys that are trying to overachieve.

629
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 6: I mean there's something about you know, taking the lunch

630
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 6: pail to work and essentially, you know, make making you know,

631
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 6: limit lemon lemonade out of lemons, you know.

632
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 2: And everybody I talked to Tommy loves Will Benson do

633
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 2: the Reds love y? Is it time to uh fish

634
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 2: or cut bait with this guy?

635
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,959
Speaker 6: I like him, but just too And yeah, I mean,

636
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 6: you know, you know what it's like. I mean, you know,

637
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 6: a baseball player, unlike football, you got one hundred and

638
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 6: sixty two games. You could get hot for twenty games

639
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 6: and if you're if you if you stink for one

640
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 6: hundred and forty, you stink. Right In NFL, you have

641
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 6: a couple of good games, you're still a good player.

642
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 6: But unfortunately it's a grind, and some guys aren't aren't

643
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 6: ready for the grind. And when you look at Benson.

644
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 6: I mean he looks like a thoroughbred.

645
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, how big that guy.

646
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 6: And he's got a cannon yeah, you know, and he

647
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 6: improved last year bad swing, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: He improved his swing last year.

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Speaker 6: So uh And and the Reds don't have a whole

650
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 6: lot of money any so, I mean, you can kind

651
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Speaker 6: of live with some of that, but unfortunately you can't

652
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Speaker 6: be in your starting eight. They're starting nine, you know,

653
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Speaker 6: because you got to have a guy that produces every day. Yeah,

654
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,760
Speaker 6: and they still need they need pumper in the outfield.

655
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Speaker 6: They still need an outfield thumper.

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Speaker 7: You know.

657
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 6: I like Freido and I like you blah blah blah.

658
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Speaker 6: You know, but they're they're good. They're good role players.

659
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 6: You know, you need you need a stud. And I

660
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 6: was hoping they're gonna draft one three years ago and

661
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 6: they still haven't drafted a stud.

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Speaker 2: We're hoping that Noel Marte can can be that guy. Uh,

663
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 2: he shows signs. They all show glimpses, don't they, Tommy.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, like I said, I mean, it's uh,

665
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 6: you know, it's uh, they look good dressed up. But

666
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Speaker 6: I mean, look at the score book and the box

667
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 6: score at the end of the game. It was like

668
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 6: no impact or order to get hot. One game and

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Speaker 6: they're gone for three games.

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Speaker 2: Turn them into the gas house gang. Let them steal,

671
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 2: get on base and steal and uh because it's just

672
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 2: not a power hitting team. They need a stud to

673
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Speaker 2: hit the ball over the wall at gab and Tommy,

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Speaker 2: we got a run, man, It's always great hearing you.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely Man. We'll go rads man.

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Speaker 1: I'm still behind him.

677
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Speaker 6: But hopefully they get a couple of good you know,

678
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 6: couple of lightnings in a bottle like we talked about.

679
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Speaker 6: You know, it could happen.

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Speaker 2: Fantastic, All right, Tommy, I appreciate you, thanks so much.

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Speaker 2: an honor, pleasure and privilege to welcome in our next guest.

686
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Speaker 2: He's a Bengals insider. He writes for clans since he

687
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Speaker 2: dot com. He's the author of the Jungle Roar Pod.

688
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Speaker 2: You know him as Trags. You can follow him on

689
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Speaker 2: Twitter at trags. He is Mike Petrellia Mike, Happy New

690
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Speaker 2: Year to you. And two thirds of the Bermuda Triangle

691
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Speaker 2: play tomorrow at pay Course Stadium. The only team missing

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Speaker 2: is the Jets, but Boomerisiasin calls the Jets, the Cardinals

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Speaker 2: and the Bengals the Bermuda Triangle.

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Speaker 7: I'm glad you filled me in there, check And by

695
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Speaker 7: the way, Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, Happy twenty twenty six

696
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Speaker 7: from not only me, but a former colleague of yours,

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Speaker 7: a lovely Debora am Tucker.

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Speaker 1: So she sends her greetings. We appreciate that. I thought

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Speaker 1: you would appreciate.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, And Trags did last week at

701
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 2: least remind us us of what could be what hopefully

702
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,919
Speaker 2: will be next season when you've got the big three

703
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 2: on the field at the same time.

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Speaker 7: Yes, I don't think there's any question about that, especially

705
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 7: if you have Chase Brown as productive as he was

706
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Speaker 7: in the run game and the run blocking as strong

707
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,919
Speaker 7: as it was last week. That's to me what really

708
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 7: opens up the pass game for the Bengals this team,

709
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 7: when they have all of their weapons on the field

710
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 7: at the same time and the blocking is just respectable.

711
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 7: It doesn't even have to be spectacular. If it's respectable,

712
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 7: this offense is almost impossible to defend. And that's what

713
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 7: the Bengals had schemed up in the offseason, at least offensively.

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Speaker 7: When you resigned Jamar Chase and t Higgins and you

715
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Speaker 7: know you have Chase Brown under control for the next

716
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 7: couple of seasons. That's what the Bengals envisioned. They did

717
00:37:55,840 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 7: not envision the defense falling apart and being as ill

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Speaker 7: suited to handle the you know, the core of the

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Speaker 7: season and the bulk of.

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Speaker 1: The season, I should say, the way it has. And

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Speaker 1: you know, they got a.

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Speaker 7: Tremendously bad break in the injury to Joe Burrow obviously,

723
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Speaker 7: but that is separate and apart from the defense failing

724
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Speaker 7: them the way they did.

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Speaker 2: Mike Petrelli is with us trags and great story off

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Speaker 2: on cl nssinc dot com. Jamar Chase try to get

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00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 2: into the end zone? Are you kidding me? For the

728
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Speaker 2: first time since October sixteen? Doesn't seem that.

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Speaker 1: Long, but it is.

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Speaker 7: It is, and it's because the defenses have made him

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Speaker 7: the priority to shut down. I mean, when people say,

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Speaker 7: you know, you can't pick and choose between T. Higgins

733
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Speaker 7: and Jamar Chase. Well, defenses have picked Jamar Chase to

734
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Speaker 7: shut down. T. Higgins is going to make his fifty

735
00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 7: to fifty catches high pointing the ball like he does

736
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 7: all the time, but they do not want Jamar Chase

737
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 7: exploding down the field because I think defensive coordinators feel

738
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Speaker 7: like if Jamar Chase gets his rhythm going in a game,

739
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Speaker 7: he's almost.

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Speaker 1: Impossible to stop. Whereas with T.

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Speaker 7: Higgins, he's going to make it you know, maybe a

742
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 7: player or two big downfield. But he is a different

743
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 7: type of receiver in terms of his explosiveness. So teams

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00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 7: have shown a lot of double cloud to Higgins and

745
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 7: Jamar Chase, a lot of double teams, bracketing coverage, special

746
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 7: gimmick defenses on Jamar Chase, all designed to shut Number

747
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 7: one down and keep him out of the end zone.

748
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Speaker 7: Even that being said, Jamar Chase last week and even

749
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Speaker 7: in the game against the Baltimore Ravens when they were

750
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Speaker 7: shut out, he had ten catches for one hundred and

751
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 7: twenty yards. He's still going to put up numbers. Bengals

752
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 7: are going to still find ways to.

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Speaker 1: Get him the ball.

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Speaker 7: But what defenses have decided to do is make sure

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Speaker 7: you keep Jamar in front of him and keep him

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Speaker 7: out of the end zone tricks.

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Speaker 5: Do you think part of helping Jamar get into the

758
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 5: end zone is making improvements in the running game for

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Speaker 5: the Bengals offense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no question, Sean. Because when you can run the

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Speaker 1: ball and you.

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Speaker 7: Demand the respect of the opposing defense to run the ball,

763
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Speaker 7: you spread out the defense in the red zone.

764
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Speaker 1: When you don't all of your.

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Speaker 7: Resources from the linebackers on back to the secondary and

766
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Speaker 7: the specialized defenses that are designed for the red zone,

767
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Speaker 7: especially low red zone, which is inside the ten yard line,

768
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 7: they can shut down your receivers much more easily, make

769
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Speaker 7: the space and the windows much tighter. That's what the

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Speaker 7: Bengals have faced pretty much all season long. But in

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Speaker 7: the games where Chase Brown has been able to run

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Speaker 7: the ball effectively in the low red zone, and let's

773
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Speaker 7: not forget some AJP rhyme, when those two can run

774
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Speaker 7: the ball, it takes at least one linebacker, perhaps two

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00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,919
Speaker 7: depending on how well the Bengals are running the ball,

776
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 7: and gives you know, more one on one opportunities in

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Speaker 7: the red area in the end zone itself.

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Speaker 1: For Chase Higgins and Andrea Josebash.

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Speaker 2: Never going to complain for a victory in the National

780
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 2: Football League. A lot of fans are screaming that it

781
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 2: didn't mean anything. It could possibly cost them a higher

782
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Speaker 2: draft pick. But drags, you are playing for thirty two teams,

783
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 2: the one you're on now, in thirty one other clubs,

784
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Speaker 2: you better bring it every Sunday, every snap.

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Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing about that, chicken. It's a great point.

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Speaker 7: People can make the argument about the draft picks all

787
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 7: they want, but the thing, given where the Bengals are

788
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 7: going to be drafting, you know, in the high single digits,

789
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 7: you know, eighth, ninth, maybe tenth, or the low teams

790
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 7: wherever they wind up drafting. If they win let's say

791
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 7: seven games, the young players on this defense that the

792
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 7: Bengals are counting on have to show something going into

793
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 7: twenty twenty six. They have to show the coaching staff

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00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 7: that they belong on an NFL defense going into next year,

795
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Speaker 7: that Al Golden can rely on them going forward. Because

796
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 7: Al Golden and Zach Taylor will be back next year.

797
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 7: You can almost take it to the bank right now.

798
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 7: They're not going to be any changes in that regard,

799
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Speaker 7: and if that is the case, then both of them,

800
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 7: especially Al Golden, need to know who they can rely

801
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 7: on going into next year. That's why these last three

802
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 7: games last week in Miami included matters so much. It

803
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,959
Speaker 7: matters on the defense. These defensive players have to show

804
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 7: that they have made strides from those Jets and Bears

805
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 7: games that were absolute disasters, unqualified disasters, to the point

806
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 7: now where they're playing respectively, and it's a lot easier

807
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 7: to also play defense when you're playing with the lead,

808
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 7: which Bengals did not do a good job of midway

809
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 7: through the season. So that is what the Bengals are

810
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 7: playing for in these last two games. The defense of

811
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Speaker 7: the young players like Barrett Carter, Demetrius Knight.

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Speaker 1: Junior Shamar Stewart.

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00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 7: How about him, Let's see him get at his first

814
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 7: career sack tomorrow against Arizona. I think that's something you

815
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 7: can also be on the lookout for, not just Jamar

816
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 7: Chase finding the end zone for the first time in

817
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Speaker 7: two months.

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Speaker 5: Triggs, we don't quite have a full year sample size

819
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Speaker 5: of an Al Golden defense, but year to year, are

820
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Speaker 5: have you seen anything from Al Golden that you.

821
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Speaker 1: Like so far? Yeah?

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Speaker 7: I do think the way he is manipulated the players

823
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 7: and used him in different positions. I think the fact

824
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 7: that he can use some of his corners inside and outside,

825
00:43:52,680 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 7: specifically Dax Hill, helps the Bengals play more defenses. He

826
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 7: can scheme up more defenses to stop passing driven league,

827
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Speaker 7: especially when you've got guys. You know, Patrick Mahomes will

828
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 7: come back healthy, no doubt. Josh Allen, you know that's

829
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Speaker 7: that game against Buffalo. Go back and watch the first

830
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 7: three quarters and how good the defense played. He played

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Speaker 7: very very well. Obviously, you know, the turnovers change that game.

832
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 7: Not really the bad defense, but the turnovers back to

833
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 7: back passes by Joe Burrow really flipped that game. The

834
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 7: Bengals win that game on the road. We have a

835
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 7: different take on the Bengals defense for the last six

836
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 7: weeks of the season, much different.

837
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was great to see Jalen Davis, who you're

838
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 2: really starting to blossom and hopefully he can figure in

839
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,919
Speaker 2: the next year. But you're exactly right, this club needs

840
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 2: to find out, well with these young defensive players who

841
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 2: can be here, Who who they can count on, who

842
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 2: they can trust for twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 7: No question, And you know I think Jalen Davis is

844
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 7: one of those role players at the Bengals love he's

845
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 7: you know, not he's not Mike Hilton, but he is

846
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 7: starting to play a lot like him, which is a

847
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 7: good thing.

848
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Speaker 1: And Jalen Davis is beloved in that locker room.

849
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 7: Zach Taylor can't speak highly of him enough, neither Canal Golden.

850
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 7: He's somebody that went right from the practice squad to

851
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 7: playing full snaps. That's hard to do, That's very difficult

852
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 7: to do, but Jalen Davis managed to do it because

853
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 7: he pays attention in the film room. He you know,

854
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 7: is a very good teammate in the locker room, and

855
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 7: he's terrific in practice from everything we you know, we're

856
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 7: told by Zach Taylor and also Al Golden. So Jalen

857
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Speaker 7: Davis is a nice refreshing story as.

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Speaker 1: We finish up the season. But that doesn't mean the.

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Speaker 7: Bengals aren't going to be in the market for, you know,

860
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 7: starting nickel going into next year. I think that I

861
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:59,280
Speaker 7: think they like Dax Hill and DJ Turner on the outside,

862
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 7: I think they are probably in the market for a nickelback.

863
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Speaker 7: I definitely think they are on the market for a safety,

864
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Speaker 7: if not two safeties. They are in the market for

865
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Speaker 7: two defensive edges, even if Trey Hendrickson comes back on

866
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 7: a franchise tag, and they're definitely in the market for

867
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Speaker 7: one or two interior tackles on the defensive line.

868
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Speaker 2: And really, you just took the words out of my mouth.

869
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Speaker 2: At every phase of the defense front, middle, and back,

870
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 2: they need help. And it'll be fun to see Corey

871
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 2: Kiner come back here with the Arizona Cardinals tomorrow. Former

872
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 2: U SEE running back.

873
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 7: And you know, obviously mister Ohio football with Roger Bacon

874
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 7: back in twenty twenty, I would hope now he's.

875
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Speaker 1: Listed on their depth chart as the third.

876
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Speaker 7: Running back in the backfield behind Michael Carter and another

877
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Speaker 7: running back. But I would think that Jonathan Gannon, the

878
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 7: head coach of the Cardinals, would try to get him

879
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 7: some good reps tomorrow, hometown team coming back to Cincinnati,

880
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,439
Speaker 7: not only a star with Roger Bacon, but as you said,

881
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 7: the Cincinnati Bearcats. It's a great story to follow and

882
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 7: hopefully he gets some good reps, but also a King

883
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 7: Davis Gaither is coming back as a starting linebacker tomorrow

884
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,919
Speaker 7: as well, so that's also kind of a feel good story,

885
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 7: but not nearly the feel good story that Corey Coyner is.

886
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're absolutely right, Drags and looking forward to seeing

887
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison. He's got a heel injury, only one catch

888
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 2: in December. Looking forward to him and Jacoby Brissette. Oh

889
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 2: my gosh, he's got nine lives and he's beaten the

890
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 2: Bengals before as a backup quarterback journeyman.

891
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, who can forget Opening Gay twenty twenty four, a

892
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 7: game the Bengals had no business losing to first year

893
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 7: coach Gerrod Mayo, and they lost sixteen to ten.

894
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 1: That was not that loss.

895
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 7: That single loss last year kept him out of the playoffs.

896
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 7: Can't say that this year. But Trey McBride, keep an

897
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 7: eye on him. He is an outstanding tight end. He

898
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 7: plays on Arizona, so nobody talks about him a lot

899
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 7: in the NFL, but he's a tremendous tight end and

900
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 7: he is probably, with Harrison dinged up, probably their number

901
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 7: one weapon on offense.

902
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Speaker 2: Mike Petrellia, you can follow him on trags. You've been

903
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 2: generous with your time, you and your you and your

904
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Speaker 2: significant other. Happy New Year, Love you guys. Merry Christmas trags.

905
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 3: Hey, Sean, you do a great job.

906
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Speaker 2: Check It's always a pleasure being on with you. Happy

907
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 2: New Year, guys, thank you so much. And this is

908
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 2: Sports Talk. Hey, you want to check in on the Bengals. Yeah,

909
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 2: we'll talk some more and we're even going to touch

910
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 2: on the Michigan football coach. Oh yeah, big nets all

911
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Speaker 2: coming up on seven hundred WLW seven thirty six in

912
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Speaker 2: the Queen City of Cincinnati, Chick Ludwig alongside Sean McMahon.

913
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Speaker 2: This is Sports Talking until nine o'clock tonight. And Hey,

914
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Speaker 2: loving our next guest. He's covered the Ohio State Buckeyes

915
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,399
Speaker 2: for twenty years and after nine years at the Dayton

916
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 2: Daily News, he started his own news letter and you

917
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Speaker 2: can sign up for it at cuss Cus cuss Words

918
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Speaker 2: Sports and the link is on my Facebook page. Check

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Speaker 2: it out. We welcome in Marcus Hartman. Marcus, Happy New Year.

920
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 2: How are you, stud?

921
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Speaker 8: I'm pretty good, Chick. I appreciate you having me on.

922
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 8: Happy New Year to you as well.

923
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 2: Fantastic. Well, we can't wait till this coming week Wednesday

924
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 2: night and Thursday. Oh my, the college football playoff quarter finals.

925
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 2: And it all starts with the Cotton Bowl seven point

926
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 2: thirty on Wednesday Night, New Year's Eve, the Ohio State

927
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 2: Buckeyes against the Miami Hurricanes, two teams that have quite

928
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 2: a history back in two thousand and three when the

929
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 2: Buck guys pulled that baby out out in the desert.

930
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Speaker 2: The Hurricanes fans and players haven't forgotten.

931
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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, it's amazing the subplots there. You've got to

932
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 9: this game, people asked Jeremiah Smith, I think I looked

933
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 9: it up with weren't about three years later, two and

934
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 9: a half years later, if the people down in Miami

935
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 9: are still mad about how that game went down?

936
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 8: And he said, yes, for sure they are.

937
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 9: So you can tell, you know, the the parents and

938
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,760
Speaker 9: the grandparents of these players are gonna want some revenge,

939
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 9: even if the players aren't that aware of it firsthand.

940
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 9: And I think it's a pretty interesting matchup on paper,

941
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 9: you know, I think ironically, you know, I really thought

942
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 9: Georgia probably deserved to jump ahead of Ohio State after

943
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 9: the Big Ten championship game.

944
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 6: And I think that this is a little tougher draw.

945
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 9: I mean, I think you look at especially you know,

946
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 9: on the hoof, I think Miami is one of the

947
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,760
Speaker 9: best teams out there and it's hard to the acc

948
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 9: sometimes you know, you don't know exactly how tested they are,

949
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 9: but if you watch them play, you know they've got

950
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,839
Speaker 9: some dudes. So it's gonna be a game where you're

951
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 9: gonna have to go out there and earn it, you know,

952
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 9: in a matchup type game where there's gonna be a

953
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 9: lot of physical similarities between these teams.

954
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 2: Wow, what Miami did going into Kyle Field in the

955
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 2: was just phenomenal and chopping down Texas A and M.

956
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 2: That was just incredible.

957
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

958
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 9: I was sort of going back and forth during the

959
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 9: game about which team would would be Ohio State would

960
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 9: rather see, and at the end, I definitely still felt.

961
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 8: Like it was they would rather see Texas A and M.

962
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 9: I know A and M a little more complicated on defense,

963
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:23,280
Speaker 9: you know, maybe kind of do some of the things

964
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 9: that maybe that Indiana had done that kind of messed

965
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 9: with Ohio State. But I think the better roster would

966
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Speaker 9: be Miami. And you look at I don't know how

967
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 9: Texas A and M was going to score at all.

968
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 8: Against Ohio State.

969
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 9: Miami's obviously got a veteran quarterback, a good offensive line,

970
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 9: and then they've got some skill guys that you really

971
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 9: have to worry about. So I think they were a

972
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 9: better all around team. And the funny thing is looked

973
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 9: at the stats and I felt like the stats were

974
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 9: a little more even in that game. It really if

975
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 9: you just watched it, Miami had you know, four or

976
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 9: five scoring opportunities. They missed some field goals, so it

977
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 9: felt like Miami should have won that game more than

978
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 9: they did. But you know, whatever happened last Saturday doesn't

979
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 9: necessarily have anything to do with what happens next week either.

980
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Marcus Hartman is with us talking Buck Eye Football,

981
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 2: and two guys on Miami scare me their their defensive vents,

982
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 2: Rubin Baine Junior and akem Mesidor Man. They get after

983
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 2: it in their speed and quickness. Man, the buck guys

984
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 2: offensive line is really really going to be tested.

985
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know it.

986
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 9: There's no doubt those guys are are very good players.

987
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 9: But it's kind of interesting Ohio State and you know,

988
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 9: in terms of just one on one matchups generally have

989
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 9: been pretty good, especially in past protection. Both their tackles

990
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:39,359
Speaker 9: have held up pretty well.

991
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 1: You know.

992
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 9: Austin Thyreveld started the year, you know, with the big

993
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 9: match up against Texas and pitched a shutout. Has kind

994
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 9: of just been a steady guy from then on. What's

995
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 9: really bothered them has been more stunts and like the

996
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 9: sim pressures that Indiana was able to run pretty successful.

997
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 8: You know, where they you don't know who's come.

998
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 9: It's kind of like the modern cousin of the zone blitz,

999
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 9: where you're not sure who's coming and who's not in

1000
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 9: the end up blocking air. That's been more of an

1001
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 9: issue for Ohio State. Now, who knows, Miami may install

1002
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 9: some of that stuff here in their ten days off,

1003
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,399
Speaker 9: but obviously it's going to come down to I think

1004
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 9: how well Ohio State's offensive line plays, because I think

1005
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 9: that's the biggest question mark.

1006
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 1: Of the four lines.

1007
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 9: Mean, Ohio State's defensive line is elite. Miami has a

1008
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 9: good offensive line and a good defensive line, especially those

1009
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 9: edge You guys, the Ohio State offensive line's been a

1010
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,320
Speaker 9: little bit more up and down this season. You know,

1011
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 9: they came off a great game against Michigan, they kind

1012
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 9: of struggled against Indiana. They're going to have a new

1013
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 9: right guard, probably the Gabe Van Sickle, but you know

1014
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 9: he's replacing a guy Tigra Shabola from Makota West, who

1015
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 9: also had his share of ups and downs, but he's injured,

1016
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 9: so it'll be interesting to see kind of how that

1017
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 9: shakes out in terms of what they're able to do,

1018
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 9: what the communication is like, and just physically. You know,

1019
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 9: how how Van Sickle look when he's out there against

1020
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 9: a top ten opponent.

1021
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 2: No doubt Marcus and giving Julian Saying time to get

1022
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 2: the ball to his you know, his incredible wide receivers

1023
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 2: in Carnell Tate and Jeremiah Smith, and opening some holes

1024
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 2: for the running game too.

1025
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:19,359
Speaker 8: Yes, yeah, And I think you know the other thing

1026
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 8: was Brian Hart.

1027
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 9: I'm sorry, Brian Day said this week, you know he

1028
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 9: is going to call plays, yes, which I think is

1029
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 9: I feel like, you know, one of the underrated storylines

1030
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 9: of last year was halfway through the playoff, Day said, oh, yeah.

1031
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 9: By the way, I've been way more involved in the

1032
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 9: offense here in the playoffs than I was in the

1033
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 9: regular season. And because a lot of the kind of

1034
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 9: day to day grind of the head coaching job is

1035
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 9: over there in December and January, and I don't think

1036
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 9: it's a coincidence that they came out there and they

1037
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 9: were looking to attack in the passing game, and they

1038
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 9: were more aggressive when Day you know, had his fingerprints

1039
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 9: completely on the offense instead of just kind of overseeing,

1040
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 9: you know, kind of from afar what was going on.

1041
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 9: So I think we would have seen a similar transition

1042
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 9: again this year anyway.

1043
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 8: The only question is.

1044
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 9: As we you know, as people, as Bengals fans know,

1045
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,320
Speaker 9: it's it's tough to manage the game and call the

1046
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 9: plays at the same time sometimes, So as long as

1047
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 9: I've been saying is it's probably good for Ohio State

1048
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 9: if they can have a double digit lead going into

1049
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 9: the fourth quarter not have to worry about any potentially

1050
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 9: difficult game management decisions. And I think the way that

1051
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 9: they will call the game may lend itself to trying

1052
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 9: to go out there and kind of get control of

1053
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,879
Speaker 9: the game, make Miami play from behind and just kind

1054
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 9: of see what Carson Beck does in that situation if

1055
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 9: he's got a press, and.

1056
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 1: Go from there.

1057
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 5: Marcus Sean mcman here, this game profiles to me very

1058
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 5: similarly to that of the game that Miami just played

1059
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 5: against A and M I have a feeling this is

1060
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 5: going to be pretty low scoring.

1061
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 2: These are two really good defenses.

1062
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 5: Matt Patricia has been an excellent defensive coordinator for Ohio State.

1063
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,919
Speaker 5: This is probably the best defense Miami's faced all year.

1064
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 5: To me, I think that the game comes down to

1065
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 5: how well does Miami's offense play against Ohio States defense,

1066
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,359
Speaker 5: because I don't think they've seen anything like this this year.

1067
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think, I think you're right.

1068
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 9: I mean, and they've got a veteran quarterback who will

1069
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 9: turn the ball over from time to time, so obviously

1070
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,839
Speaker 9: that's the big the caveat for Miami. I mean, if

1071
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 9: Carson Beck throws a couple of interceptions, they're going to

1072
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 9: be in real big trouble. I think in Ohio State,

1073
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 9: for all as good as they've been, they have not

1074
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:28,240
Speaker 9: forced a whole lot of turnovers.

1075
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 4: You know.

1076
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 9: They haven't had as many snaps as some defenses, so

1077
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 9: there's been fewer opportunities.

1078
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 1: But that's the one thing.

1079
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 9: So again, they've got almost that as a wild card

1080
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 9: that's kind of in their back pocket. If they force

1081
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 9: a few turnovers, it's going to be they're just about unstoppable.

1082
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 9: But I agree, I mean, I think it's going to

1083
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 9: be up to I think the two things.

1084
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 8: I mean, and that's how it usually goes.

1085
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: I mean, the Ohio State.

1086
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 9: Offensive offense needs to come out and you know, establish

1087
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 9: some things that it's able to do to move the

1088
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 9: ball consistently after only scoring ten points against Indiana. But

1089
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 9: I think you're right, maybe the bigger challenges. Can Miami

1090
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 9: get much of anything going against Ohio State? And obviously

1091
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 9: they've got the skill guys, They've got a good offensive line,

1092
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 9: but the Ohio State is awfully tough and thematically they've

1093
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 9: done a lot of different things. So this will be

1094
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 9: a very good chance. I mean, I think for both

1095
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 9: sides of the ball, this is the time you go

1096
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 9: out there. If you're as good as you think Ohio

1097
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 9: State has been all year.

1098
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 8: This is a great chance to go prove it.

1099
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 9: I mean, if they're that good, they should be able

1100
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 9: to win if they just play their game.

1101
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 8: But it's a great opportunity for Miami to say, hey,

1102
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 8: you know, we're.

1103
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: The you and we're back.

1104
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 9: And I kind of ironic that really, you know, they

1105
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 9: never really recovered.

1106
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 8: From that National Championship game, never been the same.

1107
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 9: Since they lost that Fiesta ball, So this is really

1108
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 9: their best opportunity to prove themselves on this stage.

1109
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 5: Marcus do you think that this game is a lot

1110
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 5: higher scoring than that, or do you see it being

1111
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 5: fairly low scoring as well.

1112
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 9: I don't think it's going to be a shootout. I

1113
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 9: don't think it's going to be thirteen to ten either.

1114
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 9: I think both teams will have some success. You know,

1115
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 9: Miami has an efficient offense, which I think is it's

1116
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 9: sort of what you want to be against Ohio State.

1117
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 9: They haven't given up a lot of big plays, but

1118
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 9: you need big plays. So that's sort of the catch

1119
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 9: twenty two. They're trying to generate big plays against the

1120
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 9: defense that doesn't give up a lot, but also be efficient.

1121
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 9: And so I think they will be able to move

1122
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 9: the ball, and I think Ohio State kind of the

1123
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 9: same thing. I think that they'll be able to I

1124
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 9: think they'll be more consistent moving the ball, and they've

1125
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 9: got those explosive wide receivers. If they're both that hundred percent,

1126
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 9: that would make a huge difference compared to what we

1127
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 9: saw certainly against Indiana and against in Michigan. You know,

1128
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 9: those guys had each had the one big play, they

1129
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 9: didn't do a whole lot the rest of the game,

1130
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 9: and obviously that was enough. So I think both offenses

1131
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 9: will have some success. I think they'll move the ball

1132
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 9: some and he talked about it's going to be you know,

1133
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 9: weather won't be a factor. So I think it'll be

1134
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 9: more of a game where you know, the winner is

1135
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 9: somewhere in the twenties and you know, something like a

1136
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 9: twenty four to fourteen type game, or maybe a twenty

1137
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 9: four to seventeen type of a game.

1138
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 1: I would think, I don't know what.

1139
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 9: I don't usually look at the lines. I think Ohio

1140
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 9: State is favored by like ten. I'm not sure what

1141
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 9: the over under is, but that's kind of.

1142
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 1: What it feels like.

1143
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, the over under is forty two and a half

1144
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 2: in Ohio State. I'm stunned is a nine and a

1145
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 2: half point favorite. I'm not a gambler. I don't bet,

1146
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:31,439
Speaker 2: but I would take I would take Miami Ohio State time.

1147
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 2: Ohio State at times this year has started slow. Penn

1148
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 2: State ran on them, God Pue ran on them. They

1149
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 2: throw an interception against Michigan to start the game. So

1150
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 2: I'm you know, I'm a little bit concerned as a

1151
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 2: buck Eye grad and fan.

1152
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 9: What well, then that's you know, that's why I came

1153
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 9: away thinking. I mean Miami would be you'd rather play

1154
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 9: A and M because I think they would have had

1155
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 9: a harder time scoring. When you talk about being able

1156
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 9: to confuse Read, I mean he was obviously confused at

1157
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 9: times with whatever what Miami was doing.

1158
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 8: But Miami just has more game breakers, you know, And

1159
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 8: that's really what it kind of comes down to.

1160
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 9: Uh And and you know, the great thing about the

1161
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 9: playoff and about these intersectional games is, you know what,

1162
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 9: you really don't know what these teams have on the

1163
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 9: line until they line up against each other, and then

1164
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 9: that's where the proof comes out. So this is a

1165
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,439
Speaker 9: great opportunity for for these teams to kind of prove

1166
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 9: what they really look like against each other. But I agree,

1167
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 9: I mean, I yeah, I would think logically it's more

1168
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 9: likely to be decided by less than nine points, I think,

1169
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 9: So I think, how we're going to put a bet down,

1170
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 9: the safest that would be to take Miami on that one,

1171
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 9: even if you think Ohio.

1172
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 1: State is going to win.

1173
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 8: But like I said, I mean, you know, it's it's

1174
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 8: a chance for o High State to just go out there.

1175
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 10: And prove it.

1176
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 8: I mean, you know, if they if they are as good.

1177
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 9: As the press Cuppings had been most of the year,

1178
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 9: and I'm a believer, especially in the defense.

1179
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 8: You know, then this is a chance for them. It's

1180
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 8: a It's a game that they should win if they

1181
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 8: go out there and take care of business. But Miami

1182
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 8: is certainly dangerous.

1183
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 2: And the game is at at and T Stadium in Arlington.

1184
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 2: Good vibes from the Buckeyes from last year, Marcus, give

1185
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 2: me a winner in all four games, Miami and Ohio State.

1186
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 8: I think I got to go with the Buckeyes.

1187
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 2: Okay, how about Oregon and Texas Tech on Thursday, January

1188
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 2: one in the Orange Bowl.

1189
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 9: You know, that's a really fascinating matchup because these are

1190
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 9: teams that are kind of built similarly, and they're going

1191
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 9: to have a lot of name, image and likeness guys,

1192
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 9: a lot of transfers.

1193
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 8: But they're both talented, and so I think you got

1194
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 8: to go with Oregon.

1195
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 9: I really like Dante More, I think that they're pretty

1196
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 9: good on the lines, and I believe that they're.

1197
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 8: Going to be healthier at the skill positions than they

1198
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 8: have been.

1199
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 1: So I'm going to go with Oregon.

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01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 2: Great and then the granddaddy of them all been out

1201
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 2: there twice. I love it the Rose Bowl, Alabama and Indiana.

1202
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 9: I'm not a believer in Alabama, and I am a

1203
01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 9: believer in Indiana, at least in this round.

1204
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 8: So I think Indiana's tough to play against.

1205
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 9: I think they're good all around at every level of

1206
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 9: football and every level of offense and defense. I think

1207
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 9: Alabama is a bit of a paper tiger with no

1208
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 9: running game, and they've just been they haven't quite been Alabama.

1209
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 8: I'm going to go with Indiana fantastic.

1210
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 2: And lastly, in the Sugar Bowl in New Orleans at

1211
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 2: Caesar's Super Dome, Ole Miss and Georgia, I think you.

1212
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 9: Gotta go with Georgia. I mean, maybe there's still a

1213
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 9: chance at this Georgia. I guess from what I've talked

1214
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 9: to people, this is not, you know, the death star

1215
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 9: Georgia type team. But they're still pretty good. They've still

1216
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 9: got a good roster. I believe they already beat Ole

1217
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 9: Miss once.

1218
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 8: Right, and then you've got Ole Miss without Lane Kiffin.

1219
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 9: They're a good team on legit team for sure, But

1220
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 9: Georgia knows how to how to play in this kind

1221
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 9: of a stage and this.

1222
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 1: Is new for Ole Miss.

1223
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 8: I'm gonna have to go with the Bulldogs.

1224
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 2: You've been generous with your time, Marcus Hartman, and my

1225
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 2: partner here, Sean McMahon, has one more question for you.

1226
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, Marcus, the focusing specifically on the Alabama Indiana game,

1227
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 5: This is just kind of a funny question. Do you

1228
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 5: ever think you'd see Indiana favorite as a touchdown favorite

1229
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 5: against Alabama in the Rose Bowl?

1230
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 9: That is, no doubt a very wild thing all the

1231
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 9: way around. You know, one of my favorite stats for

1232
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 9: a long time was Indiana and Minnesota shared the Big

1233
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 9: Ten title in nineteen sixty seven, and they are the

1234
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 9: only teams to not win at least to share it

1235
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 9: since then.

1236
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 8: Wow, not counting you know the newer teams that have joined.

1237
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 9: In, and so now Indiana has put all that to bed,

1238
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 9: and you know, you watch them play. They passed the

1239
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 9: look test. I mean, they're a good team. And again

1240
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 9: Alabama's almost the opposite. They don't really pass the look test,

1241
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 9: like they tend to somehow figure out how to win.

1242
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 9: So no, I would have never anticipated that kind of thing,

1243
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 9: but I also think that it's.

1244
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 8: Fair right now.

1245
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 2: Well, Marcus, really appreciate your time tonight and tell folks

1246
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 2: how they can reach you and get your newsletter.

1247
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 9: Yes, as you said, you can find the newsletter online

1248
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 9: at cut words sports dot com, c U S W

1249
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 9: O R D S S P O r T S

1250
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:09,439
Speaker 9: dot com and that is free.

1251
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 8: That's good to know.

1252
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 9: And if you can look that up and give me

1253
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 9: a follow, I would really appreciate it. I will be

1254
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 9: out there in Dallas with some with updates on that newsletter,

1255
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 9: and I'll also be writing for Press Pros magazine, which

1256
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 9: I understand is something that Chick is familiar with. I

1257
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 9: talked to the publisher today and he said to make

1258
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 9: sure and and get a shout out for them. So

1259
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 9: I will be there for both accords here next week

1260
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 9: and I'm very much looking forward to flying out tomorrow.

1261
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 2: Fantastic Marcus, safe travels, Happy New Year, and dare I

1262
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 2: say it, go bocks man. It's not a matter of

1263
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 2: life or death. It's more important than that. Thanks so much, Marcus,

1264
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 2: Thanks very much following me time all right, appreciate it.

1265
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 2: And Press Prosmagazine. I just wrote a story for like

1266
01:04:55,400 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 2: a holiday issue, Marvin, the Bengals and Me a look

1267
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 2: back on my career covering the Bengals over twelve years.

1268
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 2: I don't have to pick up a copy of that.

1269
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 2: Oh awesome. Yes, Pressprosmagazine dot Com appreciate it. This is

1270
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 2: sports talk and we're gonna get eight o'clock hour is

1271
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 2: gonna be wide open. We're gonna give some shout outs

1272
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 2: and have some fun. He's Sean Nick mahon. This is

1273
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 2: Chick Ludwig and it's awesome having Russ action. Jackson Back

1274
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 2: is a producer on seven hundred WLW Sinnati three minutes

1275
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 2: through the top of the hour. Gonna have some fun

1276
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 2: in the eight o'clock hour. This is Chick Ludwig alongside

1277
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 2: Sean McMahon and Sean Yes, Sir, the Red's Mate. A

1278
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 2: couple of moves, bringing in a couple of outfielders. Thank goodness.

1279
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 2: We are pitching rich. Yeah, because it's tough to get

1280
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 2: pictures to come in to Great American Ballpark. The Devil's

1281
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 2: Layer that Adam Wainwright calls it. But we were able

1282
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 2: to acquire a Brady Singer last year in a trade.

1283
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 2: Haven't traded him yet out of here, so we are

1284
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 2: pitching rich, especially with starters.

1285
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:10,520
Speaker 5: This is arguably the best starting lineup we've seen for

1286
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 5: Reds pitching in a while, in a long time. You're

1287
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 5: in a really good spot with that. I think you know,

1288
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 5: last year you had a lot of injury. Hunter Green

1289
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 5: was out for a while, n if he had not

1290
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 5: been injured for two months. Yeah, yeah, hugs, and they

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Speaker 5: still made the playoffs. I still feel bad for Hunter

1292
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:33,880
Speaker 5: Green in the regard that he pitches so well so often,

1293
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:37,440
Speaker 5: and more often than not, the offense is the thing

1294
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 5: that lets him down because he goes out there, he

1295
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 5: pitches so well and he keeps his e R down.

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01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 5: You know, he maybe allows a run or two and

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01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 5: the Reds offense just can't respond and take the lead,

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01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 5: uh and and take the take over the game for

1299
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 5: Hunter And it's frust It's gotta be frustrating for him.

1300
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:55,520
Speaker 5: It's it's it's a talking point that's been talked about

1301
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:58,160
Speaker 5: a lot on this station. But I feel bad for

1302
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:00,919
Speaker 5: the guy in that in that regard. But yeah, pitching wise,

1303
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 5: the Reds are in a really good spot.

1304
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 2: And just looking at the starting possible rotation as far

1305
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 2: as starters go, Hunter Green, Nick Lodolo, Brady Singer, Andrew Abbott,

1306
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 2: Chase Burns and gosh, there's Brandon Williamson and Juli and

1307
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:18,960
Speaker 2: Aggie are coming off injuries. But then there's rhet louder

1308
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 2: to not pitch last year. Be awesome to have this

1309
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:23,959
Speaker 2: guy back, Yeah, it would, it would.

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01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 5: You've got plenty of depth at the pitching position, and

1311
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 5: like I said, you put yourself in a really good

1312
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 5: spot and now offensively, you just got to get it

1313
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 5: figured out.

1314
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 2: That's that's been there. That's been there, wees for a

1315
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 2: long time. Now.

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01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:37,720
Speaker 5: I'm not breaking any news here, but you know, the

1317
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:39,800
Speaker 5: word frustrating is gonna come up time and time and

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01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 5: time and time again.

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01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 2: Emelio Pagan is back, probably as the closer. He didn't

1320
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 2: get that kind of coin to set up. Yeah, okay,

1321
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:53,520
Speaker 2: I love Tony santition, but he cannot grind They cannot

1322
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 2: grind him down like they did last year.

1323
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:58,640
Speaker 5: No, No, he was hitching was almost every day. He

1324
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 5: was too good for them to continually use him the

1325
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 5: way that they did. They need that's a guy that

1326
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 5: you want to give him some time to rest because

1327
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 5: he proved to be incredibly valuable for this team in

1328
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 5: situations where they needed him to step up, and he

1329
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 5: did a great job. It's just you know, again, it's

1330
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 5: kind of like the TJ. Friedl thing we mentioned. He

1331
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:20,080
Speaker 5: just got wore down by the end of the year,

1332
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:22,840
Speaker 5: and you just can't play when you're tired. Man, It's hard.

1333
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 2: And Connor Phillips had a great ending to the season

1334
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:28,920
Speaker 2: and Graham Ashcraft is sitting there too, so they got

1335
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:31,479
Speaker 2: some warriors out there. But we've reached the top of

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01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:36,160
Speaker 2: the hour. Break news coming up. He's Sean McMahon. This

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01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 2: is chick Lud. We just a couple of wild and

1338
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:41,160
Speaker 2: crazy elder guys. But Sean went to UC the Chickster

1339
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 2: went to the Ohio State University. And Russ Jackson Action

1340
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 2: Jackson back in our producing tonight, running the big board

1341
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:53,760
Speaker 2: in the studio, and this is Sports Talk on seven

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01:08:53,880 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 2: hundred WLW eight O seven in the Queen City of Cincinnati.

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01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 2: Chickhoad Wigan seven hundred w l W. Sean McMahon is

1344
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 2: co hosting, and Russ Jackson Action Jackson is producing and

1345
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 2: running the big board in our control room. This is

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01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 2: Sports Talk and we're going all the way to nine

1347
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 2: o'clock when Donna d takes over these airwaves and she's

1348
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:57,880
Speaker 2: going to be talking relationships. Well, I want to take

1349
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:02,040
Speaker 2: this opportunity to give a series of shout outs to

1350
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 2: our loyal listeners. And I want to start with Dennis Moore,

1351
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 2: always listening on Saturdays in Mount Healthy. He's the brother

1352
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:16,639
Speaker 2: of the great Terrence Moore, sportswriter author, does a phenomenal job.

1353
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 2: I had Terrence on a couple of weeks ago. He's

1354
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:23,480
Speaker 2: just fantastic. Check all of his books out at terrencemore

1355
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 2: dot com. Bob for Beck, the airline pilot listening live

1356
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:33,559
Speaker 2: in Brazil, and I sent him a text wishing him

1357
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 2: a happy New Year, and say hello to the girl

1358
01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:43,360
Speaker 2: from Ipanina for us, and hey a shout out to

1359
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:47,839
Speaker 2: Bruce McDaniel and Wilder Kentucky. Bumped into him on Tuesday

1360
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 2: night doing the show with Lance, the Roundtable Show. Fantastic

1361
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:56,559
Speaker 2: guy listens all the time. A loyal seven hundred WLW listener.

1362
01:10:57,000 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 2: And if you're looking for a place to sell celebrate

1363
01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 2: a Bengals victory tomorrow over the Arizona Cardinals, you'll want

1364
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:08,320
Speaker 2: to come to Wings and Rings, the Beckett Ridge location.

1365
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 2: I will be with Jim Breach, the leading score in

1366
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 2: Bengals franchise history from five thirty to eight thirty. And

1367
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:20,640
Speaker 2: it's at forty seven eighty two Plum Square in Westchester,

1368
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 2: we'll be broadcasting live on seven hundred WLW and Cincinnati's

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01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty. Now Sean Ludwigs have a tradition and

1370
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:35,599
Speaker 2: it's called the Eve Before New Year's Eve Celebration. Love

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01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 2: it and it takes place at j Taps Tavern on

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01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 2: Glenway Avenue on the West Side, Best Side. So I

1373
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:48,559
Speaker 2: was planning on going early, but I was with Lance

1374
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 2: and Austin Elmore at Long Necks and Wilder on Tuesday

1375
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:56,120
Speaker 2: night for the roundtable show. I got done at seven

1376
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:58,639
Speaker 2: thirty and then I hustled over to the West Side

1377
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 2: and greeted a whole bunch of friends, made some new friends,

1378
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:08,360
Speaker 2: and Russ Brady was there University of Louisville stud from

1379
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:15,120
Speaker 2: Elder High School taking photos. And I met three women

1380
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:21,160
Speaker 2: who are in my brother Dan's eighth grade class at

1381
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:26,280
Speaker 2: Saint William's School. About that, Okay, they're awesome, Okay, Barb

1382
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:37,840
Speaker 2: Pulman McPhillips, Mary Ann Mingus Bachencotter and then Susan Langenbrunner Richardson.

1383
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:39,680
Speaker 1: And you know what they like me.

1384
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:44,080
Speaker 2: It's hard not to like you check unbelievable, unbelievaby. I

1385
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:47,200
Speaker 2: have at least a handful of fans here, but they

1386
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 2: love it. Yes, they're the newest chick magnets and they

1387
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:55,559
Speaker 2: love it. When I talk about Saint William Parrish, West

1388
01:12:55,600 --> 01:13:00,720
Speaker 2: Price Hill and the West Side best side. And you

1389
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 2: know what, Sean, when you think about it, what what

1390
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 2: does the West side have? Okay, we've got churches, plenty

1391
01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:14,120
Speaker 2: of those. We've got ball diamonds, we've got chili parlors,

1392
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 2: and we've got watering holes. We got a lot of

1393
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:21,519
Speaker 2: those on the West side side of town. That's what

1394
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 2: makes We're born there, we grow up there, we work there,

1395
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:31,519
Speaker 2: and we're probably gonna die there. So I like to

1396
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:34,960
Speaker 2: tease everyone, Hey, you need a passport to get off

1397
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:38,120
Speaker 2: the hill. Yep. But it is a tremendous place. And

1398
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 2: where else can you drive for a half hour and

1399
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:44,640
Speaker 2: only go a mile. That's how it feels on the

1400
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:48,559
Speaker 2: West so high, you know. And but still we love

1401
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:49,680
Speaker 2: our hometown, we do.

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01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 7: And uh.

1403
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 2: And then you never know who you're going to bump into.

1404
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:55,960
Speaker 2: And Sean, we've talked about this off the air. You're

1405
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:59,240
Speaker 2: at a football game and you bump into the immortal

1406
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:03,880
Speaker 2: voice of the Cincinnati Reds. Yes, Tommy, Yeah, you know.

1407
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 5: The funny thing about that chick was the that was

1408
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 5: the game I brought up earlier, the homecoming game you

1409
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 5: see and Baylor, which was the last football game that

1410
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:13,720
Speaker 5: they won. I was meeting up with some friends of mine,

1411
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:16,000
Speaker 5: some old colleagues from when I was working for UC

1412
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 5: football at the time, and one of my buddies shot

1413
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:21,080
Speaker 5: out to Steve Maller by the way, buddy of the

1414
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 5: buddy of the program, Steve Mauer, and he tell he

1415
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:26,680
Speaker 5: walks up to me and he goes, hey, by the way,

1416
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 5: I saw Tommy. I was like, Tommy throll. He says yeah, Like,

1417
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:32,600
Speaker 5: no kidding. I didn't know he was here. So I

1418
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:35,000
Speaker 5: quickly got on my phone. I shot Tommy at text.

1419
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:38,840
Speaker 5: I said, Tommy, you're here somewhere. He goes yeah, and

1420
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:40,720
Speaker 5: so I asked him where he was at. We met up,

1421
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 5: we got a photo together. I actually made a post

1422
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:45,760
Speaker 5: about it on Instagram. Even Audie Elmore was like, how

1423
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:47,720
Speaker 5: did they How did you meet up with Tommy? And

1424
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:50,439
Speaker 5: I was like, someone told me he was there. They

1425
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 5: recognized him. So I got sent over and chit chatted

1426
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:56,200
Speaker 5: with Tommy. It was his first UC football game. I

1427
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 5: promised him I'd get him some UC swag, so I

1428
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:00,600
Speaker 5: got to work on that for the next time that

1429
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:02,920
Speaker 5: I see him. I owe him some UC bearcat gear.

1430
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:07,320
Speaker 5: But he loved Nippert. He loved his experience there, and

1431
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:09,840
Speaker 5: it's neat bumping into people in the wild like that.

1432
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:14,800
Speaker 2: Oh, that's fantastic. And also last week when we were

1433
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 2: at the when Jim Breach and I were at the

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01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:23,439
Speaker 2: Wings and Rings Finnytown location, a gentleman was hanging around

1435
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:26,400
Speaker 2: like the last half hour of the show and he

1436
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:30,400
Speaker 2: comes up to us during a break and he just

1437
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:35,679
Speaker 2: is going crazy. He loves WLW, loves listening to Bengals

1438
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:40,040
Speaker 2: post game. His name is Ryan Favors from and he's

1439
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:45,320
Speaker 2: got family all over Madisonville, Kennedy Heights, finny Town, and

1440
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:47,920
Speaker 2: he's going to try to make tomorrow's show. But I

1441
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:50,200
Speaker 2: wanted to give a shout out to Ryan Favors. And

1442
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:52,840
Speaker 2: when I asked his name and I said, hey, I'll

1443
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:56,320
Speaker 2: try to drop your name in a shout out on Saturday,

1444
01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 2: his eyes lit up like silver dollars. There you go, Ryan.

1445
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 2: Just awesome. So and last week at Finnytown, a guy

1446
01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:08,240
Speaker 2: comes up. I'm just getting there and getting set up

1447
01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 2: and with Mike Mills are on site engineer and a

1448
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 2: guy comes up. He's got a University of Cincinnati sweatshirt

1449
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:18,360
Speaker 2: on and he says, are you chick Ludwig, I'm there, Yeah,

1450
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 2: and he goes, I'm Kevin Johnson. Shake hands with him,

1451
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:27,800
Speaker 2: and he's a fraternity brother of Alfred Nipperts. How about that, Delph, Yeah,

1452
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:33,639
Speaker 2: Alifred Nippert Sigma Alpha epsilon SAE SAE. And he said,

1453
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:37,360
Speaker 2: how did you get to meet Alfred Man? Well, I've

1454
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:40,320
Speaker 2: got to give my partner here a big time shout

1455
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:44,479
Speaker 2: out because last year Alfred called in after a game

1456
01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:49,360
Speaker 2: and we found him so interesting because he's the half

1457
01:16:49,439 --> 01:16:54,360
Speaker 2: brother of Jimmy Nipperts okay at Nipperts Stadium is named after,

1458
01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:58,800
Speaker 2: and the half brother of Lewis Nippert, who owned the

1459
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 2: Reds during their World Series back to back championships. Yeah,

1460
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:06,719
Speaker 2: in seventy five and seventy six, it was amazing.

1461
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:08,960
Speaker 5: I remember he called in after one of those UC

1462
01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:12,080
Speaker 5: games and I remember you were on the air before

1463
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:14,679
Speaker 5: the news. I think it was at like the top

1464
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:17,080
Speaker 5: of the hour and we only had a few minutes.

1465
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:20,160
Speaker 5: We didn't have quite enough time to really get in depth.

1466
01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:23,160
Speaker 5: Conversation and we ended up tracking down his phone number

1467
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:25,360
Speaker 5: and we ended up bringing you brought him in a

1468
01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 5: couple of times, yes, to come in studio and talk.

1469
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:30,880
Speaker 5: And he has just so many fascinating stories. And it's

1470
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:34,760
Speaker 5: amazing because I actually grew up chick across from the

1471
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:38,240
Speaker 5: old Procter and Gamble estate and obviously the Gambles and

1472
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:41,320
Speaker 5: the Nipperts correct, you know, you know, married into each other,

1473
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:43,759
Speaker 5: and they knew each other. They're two very powerful families

1474
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:47,200
Speaker 5: in the city. And it was such a neat connection

1475
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:50,439
Speaker 5: to make and to have him come on the show.

1476
01:17:50,479 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 5: And he messages you very frequently.

1477
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:54,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, we we we are texting one another all the time,

1478
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:58,800
Speaker 2: living in Nashville, but then making frequent trimps to Cincinnati.

1479
01:17:59,000 --> 01:17:59,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1480
01:17:59,479 --> 01:18:01,720
Speaker 5: So got to be cool to know that your your

1481
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:04,839
Speaker 5: half brother is named Uh, there's a there's a stadium

1482
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:07,640
Speaker 5: named after after your half brother, and like you call

1483
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:10,760
Speaker 5: it the Wrigley Field of College football football because that's

1484
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:12,559
Speaker 5: really what it is, the third oldest in FBS.

1485
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:18,760
Speaker 2: Well, and when Jimmy passed, his dad uh donated really

1486
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:22,400
Speaker 2: the money to finish Nippert Stadium. Yes, okay, James Gamble, Yeah,

1487
01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 2: then to build the Sigma Alpha Epsilon fraternity house. I

1488
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:31,000
Speaker 2: didn't know that part. Yes, that's one hundred years old. Also,

1489
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 2: how about that? That is incredible man, So rub and

1490
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:37,519
Speaker 2: shoulders with some folks in high places.

1491
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:37,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1492
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 2: Really?

1493
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:42,240
Speaker 5: And where where would Nippert Stadium be without without Jimmy Nippert,

1494
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:46,040
Speaker 5: without you know, the the Gambles donating all that money

1495
01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:50,479
Speaker 5: the pro Where would the program be without that incredible history? Yes,

1496
01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:53,320
Speaker 5: which is why it's such a privilege to know Alfred, Yes,

1497
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:56,320
Speaker 5: James Gamble, Jimmy Nipperton.

1498
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:56,599
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:18:56,760 --> 01:19:01,679
Speaker 2: Wow, spiked in a game against Miami winds up passing

1500
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:08,040
Speaker 2: on Christmas Day. Yeah, and just a tremendous They've played

1501
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:10,040
Speaker 2: on that dirt for a long time. They sure did,

1502
01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:11,040
Speaker 2: They sure did.

1503
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:11,200
Speaker 7: So.

1504
01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:15,240
Speaker 2: I think I'm done giving out all my shout outs here.

1505
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:16,760
Speaker 2: If I can give out a couple, I just want

1506
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 2: to shout out my family that's listening tonight. I told

1507
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:20,799
Speaker 2: them all about it. They're all excited.

1508
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:22,600
Speaker 5: So shout out to all my siblings, my mom, and

1509
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:26,439
Speaker 5: my dad back home listening right now. And also I

1510
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:29,479
Speaker 5: want to give a shout out to an old landlord

1511
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:33,320
Speaker 5: of my old neighbor of mine, Marge Nissen. She's a

1512
01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:37,519
Speaker 5: chick magnet herself. She listens to fifty five KRCNWLW. She's

1513
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 5: been a loyal radio listener for a long time. She

1514
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 5: is a sweetheart of a woman. And she was actually

1515
01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 5: my brother's old landlord in Clifton when he was living

1516
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 5: in the same house that I was living in. And

1517
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:49,519
Speaker 5: we still keep in touch to this day. She's a

1518
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:52,400
Speaker 5: loyal listener. We got a Christmas card from her, so

1519
01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:53,960
Speaker 5: we still keep in touch. I want to make sure

1520
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:55,639
Speaker 5: that her name gets out on the airwaves as well.

1521
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:59,120
Speaker 2: Oh that is fantastic. Well, we're going to take a

1522
01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:02,479
Speaker 2: break here. When we come back, we are wide open.

1523
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:06,400
Speaker 2: We're going to continue to probe here these Reds signings

1524
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:13,560
Speaker 2: today with a couple of outfielders, JJ Blede and Dane Myers.

1525
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:13,960
Speaker 7: And.

1526
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:19,960
Speaker 2: Hey, talk some Bengals, talk some Reds, And if you

1527
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:23,960
Speaker 2: want to check in on the college football playoff quarterfinals,

1528
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:29,360
Speaker 2: please do. Michigan's got a new coach that directly impacts

1529
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:33,280
Speaker 2: the University of Cincinnati because he leaves Utah in the

1530
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:36,680
Speaker 2: Big twelve. And uh yeah, they took care of the

1531
01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:40,519
Speaker 2: The Utah Utes took care of the Bearcats, and then

1532
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:45,519
Speaker 2: every other team followed that blueprint down the remainder of

1533
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:51,040
Speaker 2: the schedule for UC. So we are at five one

1534
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:54,720
Speaker 2: three seven four nine, seven one, eight hundred The Big One.

1535
01:20:55,120 --> 01:20:59,960
Speaker 2: I've got my coffee, I've got my computer, and Sean

1536
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:04,479
Speaker 2: on his his what water bottle water, He's got his laptop.

1537
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:07,519
Speaker 2: All we need is you. Once again at five point three,

1538
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:10,320
Speaker 2: seven four nine, seven thousand, eight hundred The Big One.

1539
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 2: This is Sports Talk till nine o'clock on seven hundred WLW.

1540
01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:20,439
Speaker 2: Twenty three minutes after eight seven hundred WLW. This is

1541
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:24,840
Speaker 2: Chick Ludwig alongside Sean McMahon. Red's make a couple of

1542
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:28,600
Speaker 2: acquisitions today in the outfield. And before we get to

1543
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:33,000
Speaker 2: that and the Bengals and our calls, Sean wants to

1544
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 2: give a couple more shout out.

1545
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:35,640
Speaker 5: I do want to give a couple more because I'm

1546
01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:38,320
Speaker 5: getting flamed by friends and family right now.

1547
01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:41,680
Speaker 2: I love you, guys, everybody who's listening, Thank you. I

1548
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:42,280
Speaker 2: appreciate it.

1549
01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:45,320
Speaker 5: So shout out to my buddies from high school, duboys

1550
01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:47,920
Speaker 5: as we call each other, and shout out to my

1551
01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:51,760
Speaker 5: former UC football video crew, everybody involved, Nick, including you.

1552
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:55,559
Speaker 2: I'm talking to you, Yes, you Nick. So that's all

1553
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:56,160
Speaker 2: I had, Chick.

1554
01:21:56,400 --> 01:21:58,479
Speaker 5: I just was getting a lot of messages and some

1555
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:00,320
Speaker 5: people all of a sudden got real jail and I

1556
01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:01,160
Speaker 5: had to rectify it.

1557
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:07,160
Speaker 2: Well, before you hit iHeartMedia Cincinnati as a producer man.

1558
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:10,600
Speaker 2: You had some great experience as a what a videographer

1559
01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:12,240
Speaker 2: for University of Cincinnati.

1560
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:15,880
Speaker 5: Shot to some practice film for the coaches and some

1561
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:18,400
Speaker 5: game film as well. Got to work behind the scenes

1562
01:22:18,439 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 5: for a couple of years, and then I did student

1563
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:22,439
Speaker 5: radio for the next two years. So I had a

1564
01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:25,200
Speaker 5: lot of really cool experiences. And the best part about

1565
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:28,320
Speaker 5: my career Bearcats never lost at Nippert Stadium in my

1566
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:32,280
Speaker 5: four years. They were undefeated at Knippert all four years

1567
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 5: I was there, And I get to carry that flame with.

1568
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:35,280
Speaker 1: Me all the way.

1569
01:22:35,560 --> 01:22:38,160
Speaker 2: That is fantastic. Well, hey, let's go out to the phones.

1570
01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:41,080
Speaker 2: Nick is on the west side, the best side. Wants

1571
01:22:41,160 --> 01:22:42,519
Speaker 2: to talk reds Hi Nick.

1572
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:45,120
Speaker 1: Hey, Chuck, Hey, Sean.

1573
01:22:45,320 --> 01:22:46,519
Speaker 8: I mean, thanks for the shout out.

1574
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:49,160
Speaker 10: I appreciate it, though.

1575
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:54,679
Speaker 2: I didn't know you were on the line with signing.

1576
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:56,720
Speaker 10: How do you feel that compares to other signings like

1577
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:59,679
Speaker 10: Jacob Webb of the Cardinals or you know, a funny

1578
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:02,639
Speaker 10: good way, Like, do we think that this is enough

1579
01:23:02,720 --> 01:23:05,200
Speaker 10: to move us in the right direction in the now

1580
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:07,280
Speaker 10: central or do we think we still need more pieces?

1581
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:08,200
Speaker 1: Oh?

1582
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:09,680
Speaker 2: I think they can always add more.

1583
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 11: Uh.

1584
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:17,040
Speaker 2: What this does to me it increases the competition. And hey,

1585
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:20,960
Speaker 2: let the best man or men, let the cream rise

1586
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:24,760
Speaker 2: show us in uh in spring training and have a

1587
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:29,519
Speaker 2: carry over to the regular season. Because Dane Myers and

1588
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:35,879
Speaker 2: JJ Bleday, Uh, yes, they can be kind of considered

1589
01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:41,840
Speaker 2: reclamation projects. Change of scenery hopefully will help them. Uh.

1590
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:46,240
Speaker 2: We could look at JJ Bleday as a dumpster dive. Okay,

1591
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 2: but they're gonna compete with will Benson, Reese Hines, Blake Dunn,

1592
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:55,479
Speaker 2: Tyler Callahan and find out who can play. And I'm

1593
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:59,240
Speaker 2: I'm in Willie's camp who called earlier, Willie Cunningham. I'm

1594
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:02,600
Speaker 2: gonna stay pop and I'm gonna look forward to this

1595
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:06,640
Speaker 2: season and have faith in Tito Francona that he can

1596
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:09,080
Speaker 2: put this team together and get back to the playoffs

1597
01:24:09,200 --> 01:24:09,559
Speaker 2: and win.

1598
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:14,000
Speaker 1: I believe if you believe.

1599
01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:15,120
Speaker 3: Thank you. I appreciate it.

1600
01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:18,120
Speaker 5: Hey, thanks so much, Nick, appreciate it. That was the

1601
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:20,360
Speaker 5: nick I shouted out. By the way he said he

1602
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:23,360
Speaker 5: was going to call in. I didn't think he was serious. Fantastic. Hey,

1603
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:27,360
Speaker 5: we've got Kevin, our good friend in Columbus.

1604
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:34,720
Speaker 11: What do you think can the Bengals turn around their

1605
01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:36,160
Speaker 11: defense in a year?

1606
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:36,840
Speaker 1: Hey?

1607
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:39,000
Speaker 11: Do you remember back when the Colts did that? They

1608
01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:42,639
Speaker 11: hired Tony Duneie back when Peyton Manning was quarterback. Remember

1609
01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:46,879
Speaker 11: they had the same problem, great offense and terrible defense

1610
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:48,960
Speaker 11: and they did something like that.

1611
01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:52,439
Speaker 2: Right, Well, the uh, it's gonna take a lot of

1612
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:53,840
Speaker 2: You got hired as their.

1613
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:56,200
Speaker 3: Head coach, I remember, Yeah, to face the defense.

1614
01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:59,680
Speaker 2: Yes, Uh, it's going to take man, it's gonna take

1615
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:00,960
Speaker 2: your overhaul major.

1616
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 11: Yeah. And I can't remember the exact years, but it

1617
01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:06,120
Speaker 11: seemed like they were able to turn it around and

1618
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:07,200
Speaker 11: get to the super.

1619
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:07,479
Speaker 1: Bowl and all.

1620
01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:12,040
Speaker 2: How about this year with Ben Johnson. Yeah, with the

1621
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:16,000
Speaker 2: Chicago Bears. Yeah, they're the new kid on the block.

1622
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:16,479
Speaker 1: They are.

1623
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:20,880
Speaker 2: Isn't this a weird season? Uh, Kevin, because there's no

1624
01:25:21,320 --> 01:25:24,360
Speaker 2: there's no Joe around that. Yeah, there's no Joe Burrow,

1625
01:25:24,479 --> 01:25:27,920
Speaker 2: there's no Patrick Mahomes, and there's no Lamar Jackson. But

1626
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:38,040
Speaker 2: we've got Trevor Lawrence. You're gonna have uh, the Houston crowd.

1627
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:38,560
Speaker 1: C J.

1628
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:42,840
Speaker 2: Stroud and uh, yep, yeah yeah around to here.

1629
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:48,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Bego's gotta do something. They only got Burrow

1630
01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:49,080
Speaker 1: for a few more years.

1631
01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:50,960
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, you're absolutely.

1632
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:54,519
Speaker 11: Right, and God do something on the Red's end. Frank Coda,

1633
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:56,439
Speaker 11: Maybe it takes more than one year. I still think

1634
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:59,840
Speaker 11: he can whip these guys into a contender. But you'll,

1635
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:02,799
Speaker 11: we need some offense. Isn't it funny? They need offense,

1636
01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:04,240
Speaker 11: pigles need defense.

1637
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:05,320
Speaker 2: That's exactly right.

1638
01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:09,400
Speaker 11: But hey, hey maybe maybe they get it together. It's

1639
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:11,920
Speaker 11: always hope for spring training, right, chicks can't wait?

1640
01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:12,760
Speaker 1: That's all I got.

1641
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:15,519
Speaker 2: You're right, Thanks so much, Kevin, all right, and yes

1642
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:19,559
Speaker 2: go bucks, uh Sue? Oh boy, here we go, here

1643
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:19,800
Speaker 2: we go?

1644
01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:20,160
Speaker 1: Hi?

1645
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:24,240
Speaker 12: Oh yeah, Well I will talk about Reds and then

1646
01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:28,439
Speaker 12: I'm glad for a couple of the new players that

1647
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:33,080
Speaker 12: they've gotten. But I was downtown l last week, and

1648
01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:37,679
Speaker 12: I haven't been downtown for ages. I think it's good

1649
01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:41,240
Speaker 12: that the Reds test will be at the new Convention Center,

1650
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:45,320
Speaker 12: but when you haven't been down there a long time,

1651
01:26:45,479 --> 01:26:50,920
Speaker 12: you have to find your way again downtown. And mis

1652
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:55,240
Speaker 12: condoned neat to see that ice skating places near there,

1653
01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:59,519
Speaker 12: but I am going to try to get down to

1654
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:05,160
Speaker 12: see it. But don't know about that fountain, but it's

1655
01:27:05,200 --> 01:27:10,120
Speaker 12: easy to find. We found that out, and I'm hoping that.

1656
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:12,160
Speaker 1: The Reds do have a better sheet.

1657
01:27:12,280 --> 01:27:14,080
Speaker 12: And then your bangals.

1658
01:27:14,160 --> 01:27:18,680
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, amen, alright, Sue. And when you say

1659
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:23,360
Speaker 2: he went downtown, I remember is a kid, our aunts

1660
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:27,599
Speaker 2: and uncles, our parents took us downtown for Christmas shopping.

1661
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:30,760
Speaker 2: Well downtown. Yeah it was awesome. Yeah, I bet it

1662
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:35,519
Speaker 2: was taking the bus downtown. And yeah, just I would

1663
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:38,160
Speaker 2: love to see Cincinnati's downtown in those days. In those

1664
01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:41,759
Speaker 2: days must have been real toes. Yeah, Oh my gosh.

1665
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:44,599
Speaker 5: They had the what was it, the Santus Workshop elves downtown.

1666
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:47,200
Speaker 5: They used to have a huge display of elves that

1667
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:49,920
Speaker 5: would make it look like they were making presents, and

1668
01:27:50,439 --> 01:27:53,200
Speaker 5: it was like widely. It was an internationally claimed as

1669
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:56,559
Speaker 5: as a as A as a big deal, no doubt.

1670
01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:58,320
Speaker 2: Hey, if we reached the bottom of the hour News,

1671
01:27:58,360 --> 01:28:00,800
Speaker 2: we have a half hour to go and then Donna

1672
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:02,840
Speaker 2: d and Doctor West are going to take over these

1673
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:07,479
Speaker 2: airwaves and talk relationships at nine o'clock. Until then, Chick

1674
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:12,240
Speaker 2: Ludwig with Sean McMahon seven hundred WLW Sports Talk thirty

1675
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:15,520
Speaker 2: seven in the Queens City of Cincinnati, Chick Ludwig alongside

1676
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:18,640
Speaker 2: Sean McMahon. This is Sports Talk. We're going to the

1677
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:21,800
Speaker 2: top of the hour and then Donna d along with

1678
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:25,479
Speaker 2: her guest Doctor West, gonna be talking relationships and just

1679
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:28,960
Speaker 2: to remind her the place to celebrate after a Bengals

1680
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:35,479
Speaker 2: victory tomorrow, Wings and Rings, Beckett Ridge location, Plum Square

1681
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:40,360
Speaker 2: in Westchester. I'll be there with Jim Breach Bengals Legend

1682
01:28:41,240 --> 01:28:44,519
Speaker 2: from five thirty to eight thirty, broadcasting live from Wings

1683
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:49,719
Speaker 2: and Rings on seven hundred WLW and Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty. Well, Sean,

1684
01:28:50,120 --> 01:28:56,320
Speaker 2: today is a college football plut watchers dream. Oh yeah,

1685
01:28:56,680 --> 01:28:59,880
Speaker 2: it is Walter Wall from morning until midnight tonight.

1686
01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:03,800
Speaker 5: College football eleven am kickoff with a Military Bowl today

1687
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:06,599
Speaker 5: between EASTCU and pitt And that was a great game,

1688
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:09,760
Speaker 5: by the way East Carolina prevailed. I think we heard

1689
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:14,040
Speaker 5: Marcus Hartman earlier talking about that game and how East

1690
01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:18,160
Speaker 5: Carolina was down so many pieces offensively quarterback, tight end,

1691
01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:21,200
Speaker 5: some wide receivers and they still managed to win today.

1692
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:22,879
Speaker 2: That was a great win for East Carolina.

1693
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:25,880
Speaker 5: But yeah, Wall to Wall coverage from morning until night

1694
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:29,680
Speaker 5: with college football bowl games, and me personally, Chick, I'm

1695
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:32,160
Speaker 5: still about bowl season. I don't care what anybody says

1696
01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:35,320
Speaker 5: about the playoff dominating. Anybody who says bowl games don't

1697
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:38,479
Speaker 5: matter is just playing wrong. I love it this time

1698
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:38,840
Speaker 5: of year.

1699
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:39,640
Speaker 4: I do too.

1700
01:29:40,479 --> 01:29:42,560
Speaker 2: I'm always hunting the game, yep. And you got to

1701
01:29:42,680 --> 01:29:46,080
Speaker 2: have that remote ready. You had the People's National Championship

1702
01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:46,519
Speaker 2: on today.

1703
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:50,519
Speaker 5: That's the pop Tart Bowl, the BYU Cougars beating the

1704
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:53,479
Speaker 5: Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets twenty five to twenty one today.

1705
01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:57,080
Speaker 5: Always a great game, the pop Tart Bowl, and BYU

1706
01:29:57,200 --> 01:29:59,799
Speaker 5: of course just missing out on the college Football Playoff.

1707
01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:01,800
Speaker 2: Felt good to get a win in the Pop Tarts

1708
01:30:01,880 --> 01:30:05,640
Speaker 2: fifteen points in the fourth quarter for BYU knocking off

1709
01:30:05,720 --> 01:30:08,720
Speaker 2: Georgia Tech twenty five to twenty one in the pop

1710
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:12,959
Speaker 2: Tarts Bowl. But I'm bumming because it's an honorary Miami

1711
01:30:13,120 --> 01:30:17,479
Speaker 2: in yes, honorary. They fall today to Fresno State in

1712
01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:21,920
Speaker 2: this snoop dog Arizona Bowl eighteen to three, a game

1713
01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:26,559
Speaker 2: called on the CW by our very own Tom Brennaman.

1714
01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:28,160
Speaker 2: How about it? And he gets to hang out with

1715
01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:30,120
Speaker 2: Snoop Dogg. It's the second year in a row two

1716
01:30:30,439 --> 01:30:33,000
Speaker 2: That is fantastic. And I didn't see that Snoop Dogg

1717
01:30:33,280 --> 01:30:36,160
Speaker 2: joined Tom. Oh yeah, in the in the presspot.

1718
01:30:36,280 --> 01:30:38,479
Speaker 5: He needs to do that here though. Tom needs to

1719
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:40,960
Speaker 5: bring him in. Yeah, preferably on a Monday or Tuesday

1720
01:30:41,160 --> 01:30:44,960
Speaker 5: when I'm usually working with Tom. So selfishly, I can

1721
01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:47,600
Speaker 5: hang out with Snoop Dogg. Now, whether or not he

1722
01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:49,360
Speaker 5: wants to come in at eight o'clock in the morning

1723
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:52,960
Speaker 5: is his prerogative. Yeah, we'll see, but I think that'd

1724
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:54,400
Speaker 5: be a lot of fun. You will be up all

1725
01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:57,680
Speaker 5: night and then come in probably, Yes, fantastic.

1726
01:30:57,760 --> 01:31:01,120
Speaker 2: Well, in the third quarter here, late third quarter, North

1727
01:31:01,240 --> 01:31:05,800
Speaker 2: Texas a shootout here twenty fifth ranked thirty five to

1728
01:31:05,920 --> 01:31:10,280
Speaker 2: twenty lead over San Diego State in the New Mexico Bowl,

1729
01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:14,360
Speaker 2: and Missouri has a ten to three lead at the

1730
01:31:14,479 --> 01:31:17,760
Speaker 2: seven oh eight mark. In the second quarter, Missouri, the

1731
01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:21,559
Speaker 2: Tigers have a seven to three lead over nineteenth rank Virginia.

1732
01:31:22,280 --> 01:31:26,759
Speaker 2: So and then later tonight we've got LSU at Houston

1733
01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:33,360
Speaker 2: nine to twenty kickoff in the Texas Bowl. That's at

1734
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:38,320
Speaker 2: NRG Stadium, home of the Houston Texans, YEP and and

1735
01:31:38,439 --> 01:31:41,960
Speaker 2: you give us those other scores there Sean from uh yeah,

1736
01:31:41,960 --> 01:31:43,040
Speaker 2: if you got them up. Yeah.

1737
01:31:43,080 --> 01:31:45,880
Speaker 5: Penn State, who at one point in their season was

1738
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:50,080
Speaker 5: three and six, came back from the dead to being

1739
01:31:50,120 --> 01:31:52,280
Speaker 5: at six and six. They made it to the Bad

1740
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:56,439
Speaker 5: Boy Mowers Pinstripe Bowl. They prevailed over Clemson twenty two

1741
01:31:56,520 --> 01:31:59,360
Speaker 5: to ten. Today, man, what a disappointing season for both

1742
01:31:59,439 --> 01:32:03,000
Speaker 5: of those teams. Twenty two to ten over Clemson for

1743
01:32:03,160 --> 01:32:07,360
Speaker 5: the Penn State Nitney Lyons and that's all I've got.

1744
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:10,400
Speaker 2: That's the only other score that we didn't touch.

1745
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:13,280
Speaker 5: Army did beat Yukon forty one to sixteen as well

1746
01:32:13,320 --> 01:32:16,600
Speaker 5: in the Wassabi Fenway Bowl, a bowl game that was

1747
01:32:16,640 --> 01:32:18,680
Speaker 5: the last bowl game that you see actually made it to.

1748
01:32:19,320 --> 01:32:22,920
Speaker 5: They played Louisville, and that was when Fickel had just

1749
01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:26,840
Speaker 5: left to go to Wisconsin and Scott Saderfield had just

1750
01:32:27,080 --> 01:32:30,519
Speaker 5: left Louisville to come coach the Bearcats. So that was

1751
01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:31,920
Speaker 5: the last time you see was in a bowl game.

1752
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:35,760
Speaker 5: So forty one to sixteen Army over Yukon not surprising.

1753
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:40,479
Speaker 5: Chick Yukon play Hey, listen, playing an academy is tough.

1754
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:43,920
Speaker 5: Those offenses are hard to defend. They absolutely are. It

1755
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:46,799
Speaker 5: was cool to have games. That game was at Fenway,

1756
01:32:47,240 --> 01:32:50,360
Speaker 5: the Pinstripe bull is at Yankee Stadium Stadium.

1757
01:32:50,479 --> 01:32:54,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, so two historic places like that. That is a phenomenal.

1758
01:32:54,640 --> 01:32:58,760
Speaker 2: But you know, even though Miami lost today, Man, congratulations

1759
01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:02,960
Speaker 2: to the job that Chuck Martin did for the Miami

1760
01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:07,040
Speaker 2: RedHawks this year. Losing your quarterback at a really a

1761
01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:09,760
Speaker 2: terrible time. Just jumped out middle of the season, just

1762
01:33:09,880 --> 01:33:14,599
Speaker 2: jumped out, decided to just start preparing for the NFL Draft.

1763
01:33:14,680 --> 01:33:18,240
Speaker 2: He's been at several different places. But to leave your

1764
01:33:18,280 --> 01:33:21,040
Speaker 2: teammates like that, that was tough. That was a confusing

1765
01:33:21,120 --> 01:33:23,200
Speaker 2: move on his part. I didn't really understand it.

1766
01:33:23,320 --> 01:33:26,040
Speaker 5: I know entirely. I you know, if you think you

1767
01:33:26,080 --> 01:33:28,760
Speaker 5: have a shot the NFL, good for you. But I

1768
01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:30,800
Speaker 5: really didn't think leaving the middle of the season was

1769
01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:32,880
Speaker 5: the right move. That's not a great look to NFL

1770
01:33:32,920 --> 01:33:34,600
Speaker 5: scouts to just go I'm gonna jump out of my

1771
01:33:34,680 --> 01:33:36,559
Speaker 5: team and go get ready like you're in the middle

1772
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:38,160
Speaker 5: of a season. Man, you still got a team you

1773
01:33:38,200 --> 01:33:41,639
Speaker 5: gotta lead. But yeah, like you said, Chuck Martin taking

1774
01:33:41,720 --> 01:33:44,720
Speaker 5: his team to the MAC Championship.

1775
01:33:45,680 --> 01:33:46,280
Speaker 2: But of course they did.

1776
01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:48,320
Speaker 5: I don't think they did not win the MAC Championship

1777
01:33:48,360 --> 01:33:51,800
Speaker 5: that belonged to Western Michigan this year, but they got

1778
01:33:51,880 --> 01:33:54,120
Speaker 5: there partially like kind of like how Duke did with

1779
01:33:54,200 --> 01:33:57,360
Speaker 5: the ACC. Those head to head tiebreakers allowed them to

1780
01:33:57,439 --> 01:33:59,400
Speaker 5: get in and play for a conference title.

1781
01:33:59,640 --> 01:34:02,800
Speaker 2: Now, at the same time here that we've got wall

1782
01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:07,479
Speaker 2: to wall college football, there's two NFL games today. The

1783
01:34:07,680 --> 01:34:14,800
Speaker 2: Texans defeat the Los Angeles Chargers twenty to sixteen in LA,

1784
01:34:16,040 --> 01:34:19,000
Speaker 2: and then the Ravens have a thirteen to seven lead

1785
01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:22,560
Speaker 2: over the Packers at the thirteen minute mark in the

1786
01:34:22,640 --> 01:34:28,280
Speaker 2: second quarter. Packers are already in right, and so there's

1787
01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:31,680
Speaker 2: really only a couple of spots open, and that is

1788
01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:37,040
Speaker 2: the NFC South, either Carolina or Tampa Bay. Carolina has

1789
01:34:37,080 --> 01:34:38,560
Speaker 2: the upper hand there and they look like they have

1790
01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:42,479
Speaker 2: all the momentum. Yes, and then the AFC North all

1791
01:34:42,600 --> 01:34:45,920
Speaker 2: but settled with the Pittsburgh Steelers having a two game

1792
01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:49,160
Speaker 2: lead over the Ravens with two games to go.

1793
01:34:49,320 --> 01:34:52,479
Speaker 5: Here, so you said it earlier, Check, this has been

1794
01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:56,280
Speaker 5: a weird season. It really weird the amount of the

1795
01:34:56,840 --> 01:34:59,120
Speaker 5: teams that are making it to the playoff this year.

1796
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:03,400
Speaker 5: I don't think anybody could have predicted a season like this,

1797
01:35:03,640 --> 01:35:08,360
Speaker 5: it's it's entertaining. Obviously not for Bengals fans, but if

1798
01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:10,920
Speaker 5: you're just a sports fan, it's entertaining to see these

1799
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:13,519
Speaker 5: Some of these teams rise at like Carolina. Who would

1800
01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:18,800
Speaker 5: have thought Carolina and the Texans or the collapse of

1801
01:35:18,920 --> 01:35:20,080
Speaker 5: the Colts.

1802
01:35:20,720 --> 01:35:23,040
Speaker 2: The Colts oh at eight and two at one time,

1803
01:35:23,479 --> 01:35:27,200
Speaker 2: and then Daniel Jones has a has an injury, the

1804
01:35:27,280 --> 01:35:31,120
Speaker 2: Achilles injury and base signing with Sauce Gardner as well, Yes,

1805
01:35:31,320 --> 01:35:34,160
Speaker 2: who was who got injured? And then to bring back

1806
01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:40,639
Speaker 2: wow a grandpa. Yeah in literally yes, at forty four,

1807
01:35:41,080 --> 01:35:44,000
Speaker 2: no doubt. It's incredible, man, it really is. Got to

1808
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:46,080
Speaker 2: give him credit, you do, I mean for he what

1809
01:35:46,200 --> 01:35:48,559
Speaker 2: he had three days to learn an offense? Oh my gosh,

1810
01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:53,160
Speaker 2: three days. He's made over two hundred million dollars in

1811
01:35:53,240 --> 01:35:55,640
Speaker 2: his uh, in his career. I'm eager to see what

1812
01:35:55,800 --> 01:35:58,720
Speaker 2: his pro rated salary is this year. Yeah, you know

1813
01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:01,000
Speaker 2: for just a handful of games here. Yeah, I know

1814
01:36:01,080 --> 01:36:02,479
Speaker 2: his insurance gets extended too.

1815
01:36:02,720 --> 01:36:02,840
Speaker 7: Uh.

1816
01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:05,799
Speaker 2: Yes, that is uh, that is fantastics a good benefit

1817
01:36:05,840 --> 01:36:10,160
Speaker 2: for this. Now we're gonna take one more break here

1818
01:36:10,439 --> 01:36:12,880
Speaker 2: and then we'll kickfight, scratch and claw to the top

1819
01:36:12,960 --> 01:36:15,599
Speaker 2: of the hour, and what I want to talk about

1820
01:36:15,640 --> 01:36:21,519
Speaker 2: when we come back from break the NFL versus the

1821
01:36:21,640 --> 01:36:28,120
Speaker 2: college football playoffs and college football for viewership. Yeah, because

1822
01:36:28,160 --> 01:36:32,400
Speaker 2: the NFL, they don't care. They're gonna they are a

1823
01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:38,519
Speaker 2: money making steamrolling machine. They don't care who else is on.

1824
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:43,320
Speaker 2: They're coming for ratings. The National Football League is a monster.

1825
01:36:44,040 --> 01:36:51,120
Speaker 2: When we come back on seven hundred WLW nine minutes

1826
01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:53,640
Speaker 2: before the top of the nine o'clock hour, this is

1827
01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:57,560
Speaker 2: Chick Ludwig alongside Sean McMahon. This is Sports Talk on

1828
01:36:57,720 --> 01:37:01,360
Speaker 2: seven hundred WLW. Thanks to all the loyal listeners were

1829
01:37:01,439 --> 01:37:04,080
Speaker 2: checking us out today and allowing us to be a

1830
01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:09,479
Speaker 2: part of your day. Sean, I love reading Yahoo Sports.

1831
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:14,400
Speaker 2: Jay Busby and he brings up a metaphor. Have you

1832
01:37:14,439 --> 01:37:16,559
Speaker 2: ever gone to the airport and you go to your

1833
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:19,960
Speaker 2: gate and there's no seats, but you see a guy

1834
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:25,280
Speaker 2: stretched out over three or four seats. Two more of

1835
01:37:25,320 --> 01:37:28,520
Speaker 2: the seats are taken up by his luggage is overnight

1836
01:37:28,640 --> 01:37:32,400
Speaker 2: bag and all this so he's taken up all this space. Okay,

1837
01:37:33,200 --> 01:37:38,280
Speaker 2: that is the NFL, that guy, Yep, everybody else Okay,

1838
01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:43,479
Speaker 2: it could be college football. It was back in nineteen

1839
01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:48,000
Speaker 2: sixty one, the Sports Broadcasting Act of nineteen sixty one

1840
01:37:48,160 --> 01:37:53,960
Speaker 2: protected college and high school football from the NFL's you

1841
01:37:54,040 --> 01:37:58,160
Speaker 2: could call it incursion, and it mandated that the shield

1842
01:37:58,200 --> 01:38:02,320
Speaker 2: the NFL could not play Saturday games before the second

1843
01:38:02,479 --> 01:38:08,800
Speaker 2: Saturday in December, right when college football's regular season ends.

1844
01:38:09,920 --> 01:38:14,120
Speaker 2: The problem is, nobody back in sixty one foresaw what

1845
01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:18,639
Speaker 2: is happening today with number one, all the bowl games

1846
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:23,280
Speaker 2: and the college football playoffs. So no matter that we

1847
01:38:23,479 --> 01:38:27,439
Speaker 2: have what eight games today or however many there are,

1848
01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:31,320
Speaker 2: the NFL is going to play on Saturdays and steal

1849
01:38:31,640 --> 01:38:36,439
Speaker 2: viewers because they can. They're the NFL, the almighty, the

1850
01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:41,360
Speaker 2: all powerful. But like you said, Sean during the break,

1851
01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:47,800
Speaker 2: they're showing up in competition with college football on networks

1852
01:38:48,040 --> 01:38:50,200
Speaker 2: that not all of us have access to.

1853
01:38:50,479 --> 01:38:53,120
Speaker 5: Right, these streaming services that people don't want to pay

1854
01:38:53,200 --> 01:38:56,479
Speaker 5: extra money for, like the Peacocks and Netflix.

1855
01:38:56,120 --> 01:39:02,160
Speaker 2: And namely Prime. Yea, yeah, Netflix, it is NFL network,

1856
01:39:02,560 --> 01:39:06,000
Speaker 2: Peacock and Amazon Prime. And I'm looking at this on there. Okay,

1857
01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:08,120
Speaker 2: I've got the NFL network, but I don't have these

1858
01:39:08,160 --> 01:39:11,120
Speaker 2: other stations. I can't watch right exactly.

1859
01:39:11,320 --> 01:39:13,880
Speaker 5: And then you know, people resorted to other means of

1860
01:39:13,960 --> 01:39:18,639
Speaker 5: watching those games via illegal streaming services online. They resort

1861
01:39:18,680 --> 01:39:22,599
Speaker 5: to those methods, and they wonder why they lose viewers.

1862
01:39:22,600 --> 01:39:25,280
Speaker 5: It's because you make these games exclusive and then you

1863
01:39:25,439 --> 01:39:27,880
Speaker 5: drive people to I guess you would call it I'm

1864
01:39:27,880 --> 01:39:31,400
Speaker 5: gonna put this in their quotes, desperation to watch these games.

1865
01:39:31,880 --> 01:39:33,400
Speaker 2: It's mind numbing.

1866
01:39:33,439 --> 01:39:35,920
Speaker 5: And you would think that they would want to work

1867
01:39:36,040 --> 01:39:38,960
Speaker 5: hand in hand with college football because these networks are

1868
01:39:39,040 --> 01:39:42,040
Speaker 5: paying so much money to get both of these products,

1869
01:39:42,080 --> 01:39:45,200
Speaker 5: college football and the NFL on their air waves. You

1870
01:39:45,240 --> 01:39:48,360
Speaker 5: would think they would work hand in hand. And it's

1871
01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:52,840
Speaker 5: been what sixty four years since that bill was signed. Yeah,

1872
01:39:53,000 --> 01:39:57,160
Speaker 5: so you would think that between then and now there'd

1873
01:39:57,200 --> 01:40:01,360
Speaker 5: be other legislation or I mean, I don't want Congress

1874
01:40:01,400 --> 01:40:03,559
Speaker 5: to get involved in those sorts of things. I would

1875
01:40:03,560 --> 01:40:05,880
Speaker 5: prefer the NFL and college football talk this sort of

1876
01:40:05,920 --> 01:40:09,000
Speaker 5: thing over and go, hey, look, the NFL is nothing

1877
01:40:09,080 --> 01:40:12,840
Speaker 5: without college football. You get your players from college. You

1878
01:40:12,920 --> 01:40:15,920
Speaker 5: should want to work with us. We can work with you.

1879
01:40:16,600 --> 01:40:20,400
Speaker 5: Will have our games on Saturdays, you have yours on Sundays.

1880
01:40:20,479 --> 01:40:23,080
Speaker 5: We can promote the heck out of your games if

1881
01:40:23,120 --> 01:40:25,120
Speaker 5: we have our playoff games and you know, they can

1882
01:40:25,200 --> 01:40:27,880
Speaker 5: be lead ins to NFL games.

1883
01:40:27,960 --> 01:40:29,720
Speaker 2: You know, maybe you do it that way. Maybe you have.

1884
01:40:31,280 --> 01:40:36,120
Speaker 5: College games lead into NFL games on the same day. Yes,

1885
01:40:36,320 --> 01:40:39,439
Speaker 5: you have sort of almost warm ups to the NFL games.

1886
01:40:39,520 --> 01:40:42,200
Speaker 5: You can do things that can make sense, but they

1887
01:40:42,320 --> 01:40:45,160
Speaker 5: choose not to because, like you said, they're the NFL.

1888
01:40:45,240 --> 01:40:47,439
Speaker 5: They're going to have their way. And that's incredibly frustrating

1889
01:40:47,520 --> 01:40:52,040
Speaker 5: because college football is just as, if not bigger arguably

1890
01:40:52,600 --> 01:40:55,120
Speaker 5: than the NFL. Because there are certain regions of the

1891
01:40:55,200 --> 01:41:00,200
Speaker 5: country that don't have a team that root for college teams. Yeah,

1892
01:41:00,200 --> 01:41:02,120
Speaker 5: I think about the Deep South. Check, I think about

1893
01:41:02,360 --> 01:41:04,800
Speaker 5: I think about Atlanta, Georgia. Yes, you know they have

1894
01:41:04,920 --> 01:41:08,240
Speaker 5: the Falcons, but people down there are rooting for Alabama

1895
01:41:08,439 --> 01:41:11,960
Speaker 5: and Auburn and Georgia and Tennessee. The college is a

1896
01:41:12,080 --> 01:41:14,800
Speaker 5: religion down there, no doubt it's not. The NFL is

1897
01:41:15,280 --> 01:41:19,280
Speaker 5: second to college football, So you would think that they

1898
01:41:19,320 --> 01:41:21,519
Speaker 5: would want to work hand in hand and figure this

1899
01:41:21,640 --> 01:41:24,760
Speaker 5: out together, as opposed to the NFL just saying now

1900
01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:25,680
Speaker 5: we're going to have our way.

1901
01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:29,040
Speaker 2: It's it's it's mind boggling, it really is. And I

1902
01:41:29,360 --> 01:41:31,720
Speaker 2: just wanted to bring that up because, yeah, there are

1903
01:41:31,800 --> 01:41:36,280
Speaker 2: two NFL games on while college football is being played. Yeah,

1904
01:41:36,320 --> 01:41:39,559
Speaker 2: and I'm more focused on the college games. Oh, absolutely, yes.

1905
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:43,639
Speaker 2: And Wednesday night, I mean I live for. My favorite

1906
01:41:43,720 --> 01:41:46,439
Speaker 2: day of the year is jan one. I mean my

1907
01:41:46,520 --> 01:41:51,400
Speaker 2: brother's house in Westchester. He's a food broker, my brother Jeff. Yes,

1908
01:41:51,640 --> 01:41:53,519
Speaker 2: and there's gonna be great food. There's going to be

1909
01:41:53,560 --> 01:41:57,599
Speaker 2: great football on And Ohio State is on the night

1910
01:41:57,640 --> 01:42:00,960
Speaker 2: before New Year's Eve, seven thirty. It's either going to

1911
01:42:01,040 --> 01:42:06,760
Speaker 2: be a wonderful New Year's Eve or a lousy one. Yeah,

1912
01:42:07,000 --> 01:42:09,400
Speaker 2: I'm worried about the Miami Hurricanes.

1913
01:42:09,520 --> 01:42:12,160
Speaker 5: Hopefully, Chick it doesn't end up like the Georgia game

1914
01:42:12,240 --> 01:42:14,679
Speaker 5: a few years ago, where right at the stroke of midnight,

1915
01:42:14,880 --> 01:42:17,000
Speaker 5: the Buckeys lose the game on a missed field goal.

1916
01:42:17,400 --> 01:42:19,920
Speaker 5: Hopefully you start the new year on a positive note

1917
01:42:20,680 --> 01:42:21,759
Speaker 5: for you and your Buckeyes.

1918
01:42:21,840 --> 01:42:28,439
Speaker 2: But I remember Georgia obliterating Marvin Harrison junior. Yes, waiting

1919
01:42:28,520 --> 01:42:32,920
Speaker 2: for the flag to come out for uh, you know,

1920
01:42:34,840 --> 01:42:42,320
Speaker 2: illegal contact or p I or something unsportsmanlike conduct roughing,

1921
01:42:42,640 --> 01:42:47,120
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, targeting whatever. Come back from the commercial break,

1922
01:42:47,520 --> 01:42:50,240
Speaker 2: the Buckuys, You're kicking a field goal? What yah are

1923
01:42:50,320 --> 01:42:53,960
Speaker 2: you kidding me. Yeah, And then Georgia exploded for a

1924
01:42:54,200 --> 01:42:58,360
Speaker 2: long Instead of grinding out a long run, they scored

1925
01:42:58,479 --> 01:43:04,760
Speaker 2: quickly and reminded me of the Bengals against Buffalo. Just

1926
01:43:05,840 --> 01:43:10,840
Speaker 2: make Josh Allen matriculate the bulk. No, no, forty yards boom, yeah,

1927
01:43:10,960 --> 01:43:14,120
Speaker 2: you know, and they're right back on the So it's crazy. Yeah.

1928
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Speaker 5: And while we're on the college topic here, chick, we've

1929
01:43:16,280 --> 01:43:19,120
Speaker 5: got a few minutes left. We mentioned it briefly in

1930
01:43:19,200 --> 01:43:20,920
Speaker 5: the show, but we didn't really talk much about it.

1931
01:43:20,960 --> 01:43:24,599
Speaker 5: The Kyle Whittingham hire at Michigan. That's a big deal.

1932
01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:29,000
Speaker 5: I don't think anybody across the country even thought for

1933
01:43:29,120 --> 01:43:32,640
Speaker 5: a moment about Kyle Whittingham being a serious candidate for

1934
01:43:32,800 --> 01:43:36,840
Speaker 5: Michigan because he's been at Utah since two thousand.

1935
01:43:36,520 --> 01:43:39,559
Speaker 2: And five, twenty one years, twenty one years.

1936
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Speaker 5: And from what I'm hearing, he's kind of he was

1937
01:43:42,160 --> 01:43:45,880
Speaker 5: kind of pushed out, which shocks me because Utah, I mean,

1938
01:43:45,960 --> 01:43:48,400
Speaker 5: they were big because of Urban Meyer. And by the way,

1939
01:43:48,800 --> 01:43:53,000
Speaker 5: Urban Meyer was the last coach at Utah before Kyle Whittingham.

1940
01:43:53,479 --> 01:43:56,280
Speaker 5: So this it's amazing to think that Kyle Whittingham was

1941
01:43:56,320 --> 01:43:59,240
Speaker 5: there through Urban Meyer's best years at Florida and his

1942
01:43:59,320 --> 01:44:01,680
Speaker 5: best years at Ohio State. And he has been there

1943
01:44:01,720 --> 01:44:04,920
Speaker 5: for so I chick, I was like in kindergarten when

1944
01:44:05,000 --> 01:44:07,400
Speaker 5: Kyle Whittingham got higher. The fact that they wanted him

1945
01:44:07,400 --> 01:44:09,439
Speaker 5: pushed out after a ten and two season makes no

1946
01:44:09,560 --> 01:44:10,040
Speaker 5: sense to me.

1947
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Speaker 2: But for Michigan, I.

1948
01:44:11,640 --> 01:44:13,920
Speaker 5: Think it's a good hire. We'll see if it's a

1949
01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:16,639
Speaker 5: long term solution or if it's kind of a mid range.

1950
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I like the five years, not these

1951
01:44:19,000 --> 01:44:21,560
Speaker 2: ten year, one hundred million dollar deals. Yeah, it's a

1952
01:44:21,640 --> 01:44:25,800
Speaker 2: five year deal. His job is to restore credibility in

1953
01:44:25,880 --> 01:44:31,320
Speaker 2: a place that's marred by all these controversies and these scandals.

1954
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and he builds a really good program man the

1955
01:44:33,840 --> 01:44:36,320
Speaker 5: guys that he brings through his program. Utah was always

1956
01:44:36,360 --> 01:44:38,839
Speaker 5: a tough play. I saw something earlier from an Oregon

1957
01:44:38,920 --> 01:44:43,559
Speaker 5: fan online who had mentioned that he always hated playing

1958
01:44:44,240 --> 01:44:48,439
Speaker 5: Utah because Utah was always bringing their a game every

1959
01:44:48,600 --> 01:44:50,880
Speaker 5: single time. It didn't matter how good or how bad

1960
01:44:50,960 --> 01:44:54,040
Speaker 5: they were. They just were a physical team under Kyle Whittingham.

1961
01:44:54,040 --> 01:44:56,680
Speaker 5: And that's a testament to Kyle and the program and

1962
01:44:56,960 --> 01:44:59,120
Speaker 5: the culture that he built while he was at Utah.

1963
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Speaker 2: No doubt with the Gosh Mountain, west Pac twelve and

1964
01:45:04,960 --> 01:45:05,559
Speaker 2: the Big twelve.

1965
01:45:05,680 --> 01:45:05,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1966
01:45:06,080 --> 01:45:09,559
Speaker 2: So he's been around, he's seen it all, he's done

1967
01:45:09,600 --> 01:45:12,920
Speaker 2: it all, and this is a great hire. It's a

1968
01:45:12,920 --> 01:45:15,240
Speaker 2: good hire. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And hey, we want to

1969
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Speaker 2: thank our guest today Scott Springer from the Enquirer in

1970
01:45:19,080 --> 01:45:26,839
Speaker 2: Cincinnati dot Com Trags, Mike Petralia Bengals insider, Marcus Hartman

1971
01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:32,519
Speaker 2: from Cussword Sports and Press Pros magazine, and of course

1972
01:45:33,400 --> 01:45:38,880
Speaker 2: William Jefferson, Willie Cunningham, Willie J. Cunning That was fantastic

1973
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Speaker 2: and Sean, it's been an honor, pleasure and privilege being

1974
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Speaker 2: with you today. Thank you very much. Chick I enjoyed it,

1975
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Speaker 2: fantastic and until next time on behalf of Sean McMahon.

1976
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Speaker 2: This is the Chickster Chick Ludwig saying thanks for listening

1977
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Speaker 2: to the Home of the Reds and the best Bengals coverage.

1978
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Speaker 2: Seven hundred a WLW