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Speaker 2: Well with us right now, the best selling author, the

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Speaker 1: Fantastic? How are you, Mark Simone?

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Speaker 2: I'm good, I'm good. Uh. Supreme Court right now debating

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Speaker 2: birthright citizenship. I think I'm on Trump's side on this.

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Speaker 2: I mean, where you are on vacation at the moment

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Speaker 2: your baby's born should not determine the citizenship, should it?

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Speaker 1: Yes, well, destensibly starting in Atios America, when the entire

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Speaker 1: world was against me on this precise points, I mean

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Speaker 1: the arguments for me. I'm missed the beginning of the argument,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, there are legal arguments about the wording. The

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Speaker 1: bigger point is this was in the immediate aftermath of

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Speaker 1: the Civil War, of a bloody civil war, with six

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Speaker 1: hundred thousand corpses lying around the landscape. The reason we

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Speaker 1: were not adding amendments to the Constitution was to ensure that,

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Speaker 1: let's say, one hundred years from now, we have millions

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Speaker 1: of Latin Americans streaming across the border to collect welfare benefits.

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Speaker 1: Got to make sure those people are citizens. Can you

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Speaker 1: imagine if they weren't citizens, if they're kids, they dropped,

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Speaker 1: they've got to be citizens. It was never a problem because, well,

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Speaker 1: for one thing, we didn't have a gigantic welfare state,

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Speaker 1: and you could have a less a fair immigration policy

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Speaker 1: in colonial times. As I pointed out many times, about

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Speaker 1: half of the immigrants who used to come to America

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Speaker 1: from about sixteen forty until the beginning of the welfare

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Speaker 1: state nineteen sixty went home because they couldn't make it

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Speaker 1: in America. So you didn't need rules about who's a

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Speaker 1: citizen who's going to start collecting snap benefits? Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: could be lais a fair. Well, now we're a big

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Speaker 1: welfare state. But the amendment in question was absolutely, one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent exclusively about freed slaves. There are about a

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Speaker 1: dozen Supreme Court cases stating that exact point. No one

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Speaker 1: can fail to miss that these are called the civil

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Speaker 1: rights or the post Civil War amendments, because again, it

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Speaker 1: was right after the Civil War. What they wanted to

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Speaker 1: ensure black citizens who had been They don't like to

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Speaker 1: in the Constitution, they very much avoid referring to race.

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Speaker 1: There are a few references to I don't know, previously

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Speaker 1: enslaved or something. But here I said it was about

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Speaker 1: black citizens who had been slaves. They are living in States,

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Speaker 1: they've been in States for a hundreds of years, their

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Speaker 1: kids were born here, they were born here, they are citizens.

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Speaker 1: It was all about free slaves. And it's utter nonsense.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it shows once again the Democrats just use

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Speaker 1: black people as a false flag to advance their socialist agenda.

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Speaker 1: But when it comes to should we be legalizing multiple

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Speaker 1: millions of Latin Americans and disregard that, this was all

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Speaker 1: about your history, African Americans. This is about what what

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Speaker 1: you went through in this country. No, no, no, forget that.

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Speaker 1: It's everybody.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's very logical. So what does that mean

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Speaker 2: this Marine court will use logic and come to that conclusion.

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Speaker 1: Who knows? I mean legally that is there is there,

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's beyond you know, when they first started

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Speaker 1: doing this. As I described, this doesn't come from anything

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Speaker 1: in the Constitution. It comes from a foot note in

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Speaker 1: a Justice Brennan decision. So even after the Fourteenth Amendment,

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Speaker 1: for one hundred years. No, of course, the children of

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Speaker 1: any illegals who existed, it wasn't a problem back then.

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Speaker 1: I doubt it. Any court you know, had to hear

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Speaker 1: such a case. But of course they weren't citizens. They

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Speaker 1: weren't for you to as citizens. And in the case

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Speaker 1: Plilor v. Do out of Texas the beginning of the end.

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Speaker 1: That was when Texas, being overwhelmed with with illegals, said

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Speaker 1: we can't afford to keep to keep educating you. You

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Speaker 1: can't use public services. As you know, California passed the

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Speaker 1: exact same law by referendum I don't know, twenty years ago.

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Speaker 1: And you know, the court's fittle around with it. It

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Speaker 1: sits around. Democrat governor comes in and it just goes.

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Speaker 1: Of course, you know, these these great devotees of democracy

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Speaker 1: overrule the will of the people. Appliler bide goes up

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Speaker 1: to the streame court and in meaning not part of

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Speaker 1: that has no legal bearing. There is no force and

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Speaker 1: effect of legal dicta one justice Justice William Brennan drops

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Speaker 1: legal any illegal immigrants. They should, they should, they should

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Speaker 1: a footnote in a Justice Brennan opinion. That's the closest

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court ever came to deciding this issue. Didn't

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Speaker 1: know when was that case. Probably in the seventies, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like nineteen eighty two. It's very recent. So you know

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Speaker 2: Very logical stuff you're giving us here. That makes perfect sense.

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Speaker 2: And I like the way and Culter, you attorneys, you

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Speaker 2: just quote that Implier v. Do we should do that?

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Speaker 2: And radio? You know, and I miss versus Cumulus.

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Speaker 1: Well, the holding in that case was the Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: or was it Texas did have to pay for the

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Speaker 1: education of the illegals. Yeah, that was a very very

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Speaker 1: bad Supreme Court. Boycourts can do a lot of damage,

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Speaker 1: as we're all seeing now with these ridiculous district court judges.

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Speaker 2: Now President Trump, this is unheard of, has decided to

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Speaker 2: attend the hearings. He's sitting there, which I think is

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Speaker 2: a huge mistake. Can you ever try to stay awake

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Speaker 2: through one of these things? Can you imagine him?

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Speaker 1: Well, we both think it's a huge mistake, but for

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Speaker 1: different reasons. I wouldn't I wouldn't want to make it

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Speaker 1: political in that sense. This is about the history of

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Speaker 1: our country. This is about the Civil War, this is

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Speaker 1: about the obvious meaning of the Civil Rights amendments. It

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Speaker 1: was all about recently freed slaves. That's what it was about.

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Speaker 1: That's all it was about. And I think, I mean

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Speaker 1: I Missed'll hopefully be able to hear the arguments later,

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Speaker 1: but you know, they start these things so darn early

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Speaker 1: I've heard only bits and pieces of it. And yes,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure they'll be arguing about the lingo here and there.

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Speaker 1: But I really think it's just the blinding fact of

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Speaker 1: It was about breed slaves, breed slaves only. And I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't try to turn it into a political thing, Republicans

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Speaker 1: versus Democrats. That's why I think, yeah, would not attend.

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Speaker 2: Well, the hearings are going on and on. Now they

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Speaker 2: do break for lunch, right, they break for lunch. My

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Speaker 2: prediction you will not see the president back after lunch

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Speaker 2: for the rest of the hearings.

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Speaker 1: Is he actually there?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's attending the hearings. Huh, And I guarantee you

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Speaker 2: about twenty minutes into it, he's going, what did I

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Speaker 2: give myself into? How can I? I don't disagree with

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Speaker 2: that either, so hey, let me ask an important question.

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Speaker 2: Don Lemon reveals yesterday's thinking of running for president.

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Speaker 1: Fantastic.

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Speaker 2: How delusional is this guy? Or is he just know

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Speaker 2: that he's fired, he's not working anywhere and he needs attention.

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Speaker 2: Is that what it's all about?

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Speaker 1: Well, considering who the Democrats chose as they're well, they

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Speaker 1: didn't choose. Considering who the Democrats ran, I can't say

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Speaker 1: Democrats actually chose her as their last presidential nominee. I

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Speaker 1: think it's perfectly logical for Don Lemon to think he's

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Speaker 1: more qualified than Kamala Haara.

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Speaker 2: No, okay, do you remember this. We were in a restaurant

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Speaker 2: once it was in Connecticut, Lascal, I think Ray Kelly

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Speaker 2: was with us and he walks in, don Lemon, do

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Speaker 2: you remember this, and we don't look at him. And

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Speaker 2: he's one of those guys.

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Speaker 1: I didn't notice him.

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Speaker 2: There, Yeah, he didn't notice. But he's one of those guys.

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Speaker 2: He comes over the table, you're not going to say hello?

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Speaker 2: Is that you're not going to say hello to me? That?

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Speaker 2: That's kind of a who would do that? That takes

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Speaker 1: I think you're being too tough on him there.

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Speaker 2: You can't be too tough.

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Speaker 1: It's nice, unfriendly. It's just a way of approaching a table.

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Speaker 2: You are tough market No, no, no, I mean maybe

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Speaker 2: you come over and say hey, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: You are a tough critic.

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Speaker 2: Look who's talking.

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Speaker 1: Oh I'm a gentleman.

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Speaker 2: I am mister Rogers compared to you. So that's true, Christy.

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Speaker 2: No no chance of running in twenty twenty eight after

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Speaker 2: all this, right?

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Speaker 1: You know? Last night the New York Times posted an

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Speaker 1: article one of my friends was flying out to South

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Speaker 1: familiar with that story. And he just wanted to interview

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Speaker 1: Noam's husband without knowing this was coming as soon as

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Speaker 1: he gets story breaks. So he has a really interesting article.

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously we're all giggling about this story. And

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Speaker 1: and and I read his article. He interviewed people in

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. That I mean, the neighbors Americans are

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Speaker 1: such nice people. So they were all saying, you know,

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Speaker 1: And he had and and and shows a picture of

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Speaker 1: a freak. But but they were all they were all

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Speaker 1: nice people. They're right, this is very very sad.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but that's South Dakota. If he was in New York,

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Speaker 2: the neighbors say, I knew it the whole time.

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Speaker 1: I knew, I told, oh, and Christy knows. This is

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Speaker 1: all the time. You should have she should have shot

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Speaker 1: the husband and married the dog. Uh.

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Speaker 2: Well, and Culter, great stuff, now, everybody you follow on Twitter.

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Speaker 2: Excellent on Twitter, but even better as substack. And you

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Speaker 2: have your new column up there today, right, Oh yeah, Papa.

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Speaker 1: It's on both the birthright citizenship case and the conversion

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Speaker 1: therapy ruling we got from the Supreme Court this week.

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Speaker 2: All right, everybody go to a sign up to go

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Speaker 2: to and culter dot substack dot com and Culter dot

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Speaker 2: substack dot com and Culter. Thanks for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Good to talk to Mark Simone.

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Speaker 2: Bye, take care. Hey, you know Curtis is now here.

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Speaker 2: Curtis Sliwa. Every morning it's Curtis Sliwa and Larry Menti

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