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Speaker 2: I don't think there is anything permanent, but he is

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Speaker 2: to negotiate with him. Well, tomorrow, it's almost impossible because

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Speaker 2: we've got a two hour show. In any case, we've

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Speaker 2: I just got done reading before the show a piece

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Speaker 2: the Jackals, some of the Jackals, some of the veteran

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Speaker 2: Jackals are finally catching up with us and acknowledging in

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Speaker 2: this case. In this case, chipskoggins that Carson Wentz will

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Speaker 2: be the starting quarterback for the Vikings on Sunday against

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Speaker 2: the Eagles, after he had admittedly I give him credit,

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Speaker 2: he acknowledged that he had predicted a couple of days

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Speaker 2: serwanga and said that it's going to be Carson Wentz

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Speaker 2: or at least another week, maybe two games, because of

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Speaker 2: that Thursday night affair in Los Angeles, California. I don't

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Speaker 2: know how much further we can go down that road,

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Speaker 2: but it did occur to me as as we're all

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Speaker 2: has to say each and every day, are we ignoring

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Speaker 2: the elephant in the room regarding this story that has

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Speaker 2: nothing to do with who should start and whether one

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Speaker 2: how long that guy, if it's Wentz, should be allowed

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Speaker 2: to continue to play? Do you have can you get

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Speaker 2: the Viking schedule up on your computer?

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Speaker 1: You know the date with the dates? Even better?

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's even better. It'll almost seem like this was

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Speaker 2: planned out. What was the date of the Vikings Bears

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Speaker 2: Monday September eighth? What is the date today? Today's October sixteenth?

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Speaker 2: So can we do this map? Is that six weeks ago?

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Speaker 2: I'd have to get a calendar and count, but that

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Speaker 2: sounds about right. Well, it's the beginning of September and

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Speaker 2: it's mid October. Correct, that's six weeks? And what did

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Speaker 2: technically he's still at about the five week marks. He

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Speaker 2: got hurt against Atlanta, Right, he didn't get hurt against

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Speaker 2: that's a good point. So he hadn't practice. We'll give

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Speaker 2: him the week, you're right. But then he had the baby.

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Speaker 2: You say played.

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Speaker 2: Maybe my mistake was maybe that's why I was what

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Speaker 2: I was thinking. He played, but he really didn't play.

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Speaker 2: Yeah he was suited up, Yeah he dressed, but did

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Speaker 2: not play well and then injured himself. But has really

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Speaker 2: only practiced, like we've said one time before, all of

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Speaker 1: You're right, it's tender.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't that feel like? Here's what I do start to

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Speaker 2: worry about with it with him? And again I'm not

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Speaker 2: it's five weeks. It's five weeks then, correct, should be

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Speaker 2: tea leaves man, he's not gonna play. How often do

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Speaker 2: it unique? What is unique about it? That would trouble

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Speaker 2: Does it mean that makes all this debate academic, because

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Speaker 2: if he's not ready to play, it doesn't matter if

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Speaker 2: force him, nor should they no force him? Yeah, why

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Speaker 2: do I Why do I want to believe that number

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Speaker 1: It's not incorrect. Kelly.

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Speaker 2: He his ankle was almost removed in the Saints game,

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Speaker 2: and he kept playing. He did by those cheating bastards

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Speaker 1: I still turned the volume down with Jonathan Vilma on

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Speaker 2: The the Bears game was goes back to what the

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Speaker 1: So the week of the Atlanta game he practiced once. Yes,

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Speaker 1: because the baby. So he's milking the injury and the baby.

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Speaker 2: I know you can't do both. I don't think you

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Speaker 2: don't think Boomer Sizon had it. Wait, he was the

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Speaker 2: C section number one. It's poor family planning's let's get

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Speaker 2: agreed with him on that sea section. No, no, not that, No,

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Speaker 2: wouldn't have done this bit at all. I've waited how

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Speaker 2: long to replace How long would maur milk it? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: It's McCarthy. How long McCarthy? How long ago was the

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Speaker 2: maur milk it bit? About fifteen years fifteen years ago?

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Speaker 2: And it landed him? How did it turn out for him?

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Speaker 2: paternity leave. Well, no, that's true. He won't be available

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Speaker 2: I'll apologize to JJ McCarthy for pretending that he's been

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Speaker 2: matter how much you love the player, no matter how

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Speaker 2: much of a gamer you think he is, no matter

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Speaker 2: All those best laid plans can get wrecked if you've

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Speaker 1: what he meant by unique, I haven't seen it doesn't

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Speaker 2: It's a quarter of a billion I'm making I'm making

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: Does that completely rule out that he would play Thursday

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Speaker 2: How many days do you have to practice if you

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Speaker 2: They barely that they exactly do the short weeks exactly.

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Speaker 1: That's very possible.

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Speaker 2: And then you got the delicious notion of Brozemer somehow

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Speaker 2: My question would be, if the McCarthy high ankle sprain

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Speaker 2: Did they practice today, Yes, and in practicing they just

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Speaker 1: Am I wrong? No?

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Speaker 2: I've seen so far, JJ McCarthy will be the Byron

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Speaker 2: No guarantees on anybody, no matter how much I like

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Speaker 2: But even that is premature at this point, Dan, Why

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Speaker 1: Where are we here?

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Speaker 2: Oh, you're not gonna like this one? This is from

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Speaker 2: uh Mark in Lakeville. Dan, Maybe Sean Payton was right

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Speaker 1: Didn't he start a bunch of games last year? He

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Speaker 1: hadn't turn it over to.

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Speaker 2: Him he did, and he was electric in that thirteen

436
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Speaker 2: eleven win over the Jets. Let's go to forty two, right,

437
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Speaker 2: We're all right, tom, So you know it was either

438
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Speaker 2: yesterday or the day before on the Paul Allen Project.

439
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Speaker 2: I think it's more more fashionably called nine to noon

440
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Speaker 2: these days. I still like the alliteration, so I go

441
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Speaker 2: with the Paul Allen project. Your guy Nordo made the

442
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Speaker 2: key point on all of this. Much of it we've

443
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Speaker 2: discussed over a period of months, but he laid it

444
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Speaker 2: out very nicely and concisely. And what he harkened back

445
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Speaker 2: to is, well, here's the setup. PA had watched over

446
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Speaker 2: period of games. Who's the new England Patriots starter? Now,

447
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 2: the guy we apparently coveted, And he said, you know,

448
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 2: every time I watch him, I wasn't all that impressed

449
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 2: with him. And then he saw I think it may

450
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Speaker 2: have been his most recent game or second to most

451
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Speaker 2: recent game, and he said, man, that guy looks good now,

452
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 2: zipping the ball around, getting the ball out of his

453
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Speaker 2: hands accurate.

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Speaker 1: Looks like he's got some voltage to him. At which point.

455
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Speaker 2: Nardo said, here's the rub, as laid out nicely with

456
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Speaker 2: this comparison when, as it pertains to the Vikings, did

457
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Speaker 2: anybody though it was a coach last year who wanted

458
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Speaker 2: to try to save his job, Did anybody think the

459
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 2: New England Patriots were primed last year to do anything

460
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Speaker 2: but try to start the rebuild right right? So May

461
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:21,679
Speaker 2: could be thrown out there and every look, highly touted quarterback,

462
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Speaker 2: highly drafted quarterbacks, got pressure on him no matter what.

463
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Speaker 2: But there wasn't that much at stake other than the

464
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Speaker 2: coach's job for the New England Patriots. Just go play,

465
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Speaker 2: go play, get some experience, because the team didn't spend

466
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Speaker 2: and didn't bill itself as we're going somewhere because frankly

467
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Speaker 2: they the year before hadn't been very good either. He

468
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Speaker 2: compared that and contrasted that with the ongoing central contradiction

469
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Speaker 2: about the twenty twenty five Vikings. The moral of the

470
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Speaker 2: story on May is all that experience. Maybe it toughened

471
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Speaker 2: him up, got a better idea what this level was like,

472
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Speaker 2: and now he's starting to turn the corner. Okay, now

473
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 2: they look like a team that might make the playoffs

474
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Speaker 2: for goods. Yeah, three touchdowns this past weekend.

475
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Speaker 1: Can the Vikings the unfairness for McCarthy, you could say, is.

476
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Speaker 2: From the beginning of the season, you've wanted to throw

477
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Speaker 2: him into the deep end, in part because of circumstance.

478
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Speaker 2: You couldn't pay Darnold, you couldn't keep Daniel Jones, and

479
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Speaker 2: you love them, and he sat off last year, and

480
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 2: you think he's pretty damn good, but you're throwing him

481
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Speaker 2: in the deep end because, unlike Drake May a year ago,

482
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Speaker 2: something feels like is at stake this entire season. The

483
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Speaker 2: Vikings were coming off fourteen and three. Maybe they weren't

484
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Speaker 2: as good as that record indicated, but it's a completely

485
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Speaker 2: different circumstance. So if let's just say, for the sake

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Speaker 2: of argument, that McCarthy's going to struggle as much as

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Speaker 2: Drake May did at times last year, simply because it's

488
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Speaker 2: part of the process, well, in effect, you're running the

489
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Speaker 2: risk then of sacrificing this season, a season that you

490
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Speaker 2: build during the offseason as one where we feel like

491
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 2: we're reloading, right, we are not rebuilding. So I thought

492
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Speaker 2: it was a very good point. Yeah, by Nordo, playing

493
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Speaker 2: off of what Pia was saying about. He was raving

494
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Speaker 2: about how much better Drake May looks, and he did

495
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Speaker 2: a year ago. It's it's if McCarthy needs that same

496
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Speaker 2: period of time, number of games, then it's going to

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Speaker 2: directly impact this team's chance to compete in any meaningful

498
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Speaker 2: way in twenty twenty five. Now, the comeback to that

499
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 2: could be, yeah, but we got better infrastructure around him.

500
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Speaker 2: You're supposed to than the Patriots did. At least we

501
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 2: were supposed to. Some of that broke down. Some of

502
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Speaker 2: that broke down line. So that's that continues to be

503
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Speaker 2: why as much as people think we talk about this

504
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 2: whole thing too much, why it can't be talked about enough.

505
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Speaker 2: It's it's and you and I have talked about this,

506
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Speaker 2: whether it's fair or not. What has added pressure to

507
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Speaker 2: this situation is there are three quarterbacks being hailed as

508
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Speaker 2: either playing great or redeeming themselves. And their names are Darnold,

509
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 2: Jones and Rogers. And we were in the mix. We

510
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 2: had two of them, and we obviously flirted in the

511
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Speaker 2: darkness retreat with the other one and ultimately said, no,

512
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Speaker 2: we're not going to mess with it.

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Speaker 1: It's too much trouble.

514
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Speaker 2: Even though we try to tell people on this show,

515
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Speaker 2: the Viking should have plunged into the deep end for

516
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Speaker 2: Aaron Ryders. And the third one we think wanted to

517
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Speaker 2: come here is yeah, exactly it right, exactly. I heard

518
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Speaker 2: Drew Brees earlier this week, and this isn't what anybody

519
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:46,719
Speaker 2: wants to hear either, and I don't even know if

520
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 2: it's true, but it was an interesting opinion. His theory

521
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Speaker 2: is that young quarterbacks he thinks need fifty high level

522
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Speaker 2: games is what he called that. Think about it, and

523
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Speaker 2: that doesn't necessarily mean just in the pros, okay, but

524
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Speaker 2: he says because a lot of it's time now, guys

525
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Speaker 2: are playing for a year in college and then going right,

526
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Speaker 2: they're maybe sitting somewhere transferring, having a good year or two.

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Speaker 2: That's twenty right, twenty twenty five games, and then they

528
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Speaker 2: get to the pros.

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Speaker 1: So do the math.

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Speaker 2: You probably need another year and change at least to

531
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Speaker 2: get to where you want to go there, maybe two.

532
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Speaker 2: It's going to get harder to get there fast if

533
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Speaker 2: you can't be healthy enough to play right. But that

534
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 2: goes into that's why, man, it's that's what nobody would

535
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 2: want to hear that, because that's not what the Vikings

536
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 2: were banking on for this season. They weren't banking on

537
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Speaker 2: whatever they try to tell you now about it's his

538
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 2: journey and he's early in it, which we're hearing now,

539
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 2: like again, it's early in the journey.

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Speaker 1: He love the journey. The journey's great. I do love

541
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Speaker 1: the journey. It sounds better.

542
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Speaker 2: It's better in college, to be honest, it sounds better

543
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 2: when it's Sam Darnold and his part of the journey

544
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Speaker 2: as opposed to where JJ is in his journey right now.

545
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Speaker 1: But that might be part of it too.

546
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Speaker 2: But you do look around and a lot of guys

547
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 2: have redeemed themselves and they all haven't been to the

548
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 2: KOC school. Like mac Jones had a moment or two

549
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 2: in San Francisco right he was he's played very well.

550
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Speaker 1: He was up and.

551
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Speaker 2: Down and he's standing mightily in New England in his journey. Yes,

552
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 2: and he just stood for a minute. Then he was

553
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 2: terrible and now he's pretty solid. But that's the problem

554
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 2: is you can't microwave that. And if you can't even

555
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 2: get out there to play, then it's even more so delayed,

556
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Speaker 2: you know what. I think also complicated things for the

557
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Speaker 2: Vikings and made it easier for McCarthy and the Vikings

558
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Speaker 2: to say we can plug him in. There'll be some

559
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Speaker 2: you know, there'll be there'll be some hills and value.

560
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Speaker 2: We can plug him in. The number of young quarterbacks

561
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Speaker 2: from that same draft who excelled as quickly as you did. Right,

562
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Speaker 2: the Washington kid is a time in the list.

563
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Speaker 1: Correct.

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Speaker 2: Yep, Jaden would be number one. Nicks played reasonably well.

565
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Speaker 2: Who am I forgetting? Who else is in that draft?

566
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna pull it up. I mean, Drake may again,

567
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Speaker 1: I think it was taken.

568
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Speaker 2: It has taken his this season for him to seemingly

569
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Speaker 2: start to figure the thing out. Penix would have been won, right,

570
00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 2: Panics would have been one, and again Pennix didn't play

571
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 2: till late, but then they thought they saw enough, obviously

572
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 2: in practice, to turn the whole thing up. They they

573
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 2: said goodbye to Kirk Cousins, the guy they just spent

574
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 2: half a billion dollars on to to go there. So

575
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Speaker 2: I think there is some feeling of, well, yeah, there

576
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 2: you can if he if he's good enough, and again,

577
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 2: he still might be good enough. I mean, let's let's

578
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 2: be realistic. The first game I think he's likely to play,

579
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Speaker 2: if he's healthy enough to play, is that Lions game

580
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 2: at Detroit and that's that's after the Thursday game where

581
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 2: we got some extra time right at Detroit.

582
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Speaker 1: That's the game, is it not?

583
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Speaker 2: And if it's not, then then you really probably do

584
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Speaker 2: have a real situation where he's just not gonna, you know,

585
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, be the guy. And two things can

586
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 2: alter this tomorrow, worsening injuries for Carson Wentz, who does

587
00:31:54,600 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 2: get hurt himself, and bad play. You know, we're he

588
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 2: just regresses to what he has basically become classified as

589
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 2: pretty much a tournament quarterback, and it can change the

590
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 2: whole thing. The question then, is is McCarthy ready to

591
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Speaker 2: grab the reins at that point physically, let alone the

592
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Speaker 2: mental side of it and processing everything. And I mean,

593
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Speaker 2: you know, Chip brought up the same thing we did

594
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Speaker 2: about the you know, the low base, and I mean

595
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Speaker 2: it talking when you when when a head coach starts

596
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 2: talking about a quarterback like he's got to strip him

597
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 2: down and start over exactly, that's just not a good

598
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 2: sign in the middle of a season.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm sorry, and I was. That was bothering me

600
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: so much.

601
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 2: Again yesterday we talked about it because think about all

602
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 2: the things that happen in what two point seven seconds

603
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 2: basically for an NFL quarterback to get the ball and

604
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 2: figure out where the hell to throw it. Like, you're

605
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 2: gonna tell me it's productive that Right now, on October fifteenth,

606
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 2: we're talking about base balance, body control, and Brozemer or

607
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 2: whatever the hell the for it.

608
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: The PAFE might be broke.

609
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 2: He's dropping back, yeah, and he's having to think about

610
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 2: all that. Meanwhile, here comes Micah Parsons in a couple

611
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 2: of weeks Like that just doesn't it doesn't make sense.

612
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 2: We should be stripping all of that down right now.

613
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 2: We shouldn't be thinking about any of that right now. Base,

614
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 2: body position, and balance. Those are the three base for now,

615
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 2: body position and balance, and then the fourth could be

616
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 2: is as we've we've talked about several times, the power

617
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 2: of completions compels you to not be afraid to throw

618
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 2: short passes. Yes, that's a big part of it as well.

619
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Speaker 2: So we'll I interpret as Brozemer by the way, the

620
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 2: ability to take the completion. That's all I'm going to say. Well,

621
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Speaker 2: you're on record consistently, you might as well play it

622
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 2: out now. He might as well go all the way

623
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Speaker 2: with it. At this point, he could go in and

624
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 2: throw five picks. But I don't think no one's going

625
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 2: to remember that anyway. But if you're right, then then

626
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 2: you're going to be like, see he called it. You're

627
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 2: feeling it, aren't you? For this week?

628
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Speaker 1: Well, I will say I'm still bummed that Wentz went

629
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: back in the game in London. He went nine for nine. No,

630
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: he was great. It was good.

631
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Speaker 2: You're saying Brozman would have gone what ten for ten?

632
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, it's set up so beautifully, Yeah it was.

633
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 2: It was set up so beautiful.

634
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: That's a lot, man to ask anybody, including your guy.

635
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: That's a lot. A lot we know, we'll never know.

636
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 2: State of Hockey is starting to wonder if JJ was

637
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 2: actually a basketball player. Hockey guy's tough aout. That's true.

638
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 2: That might have been fallness. You butt guys are both morons.

639
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 2: You're comparing a guy who played two games to the

640
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 2: guys who played all last year. Well, yeah, you're you're

641
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 2: kind of missing the six point two guys.

642
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: You're missing the point.

643
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 2: I was quoting Nordo as saying that because that quarterback

644
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 2: Drake May had all that time and struggled mightily last year,

645
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 2: to ask McCarthy this year on a team that seems

646
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 2: to be built for winning now, not rebuilding, but reloading.

647
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: That's asking a lot. That's the point. If you missed it,

648
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Speaker 1: I can't There's nothing I can do for you. Man.

649
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: We are well aware that he's only played two.

650
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 2: But the whole point of the bit was it quoting

651
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 2: Drew Brees, quoting other people. It often does take time,

652
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 2: and you got to just sort of suffer the slings

653
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 2: and arrows. And unfortunately the team was built to not

654
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 2: want to have to suffer those slings and arrows in

655
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, so that would be the difference base,

656
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 2: body balance, bust, Wolves and five. We'll come back and

657
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 2: what's next. Oh well, at the top of the hour,

658
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 2: doctor Dan's inbox, keep the text coming, or man jgcafe

659
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Speaker 2: dot com, We've got room.

660
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: Do you remember.

661
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 2: The sale price at which Glenn Taylor sold the Minnesota

662
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 2: Timberwolves and the Minnesota Lynx grudgingly, as it turns out,

663
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 2: to Alex Rodriguez and Mark Laurie. Do you remember how

664
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 2: what that price was? It was one point five was

665
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 2: one point five billion? Very good, according to your guy Gleeman.

666
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 2: Sportico has released its annual NBA franchise valuations. Now, admittedly

667
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 2: this is an estimate, okay, but it's eye opening. I

668
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,439
Speaker 2: hope they hide this from Glenn Taylor, to be honest

669
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,280
Speaker 2: with you. Timberwolves are estimated to be worth four point

670
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 2: two billion. Wow, almost three billion more than he sold

671
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 2: them to a Rod and Lourie four. Now that was

672
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 2: three years ago. How long ago was that dealt about?

673
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: That?

674
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 2: Yeah?

675
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: You know, things a lot of inflation.

676
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 2: But I think we have further evidence as to why

677
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 2: Taylor used every means at his disposal to try to

678
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 2: nullify the deal. Well, that does hurt even if you're

679
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 2: a billionaire, right and his other smaller partners, the limited partners.

680
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 2: If you're a Rod and Lorie, Are you kidding Typewer?

681
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 2: You have to I don't even think he'd be agnostic

682
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 2: when you get.

683
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: That kind of return, that's for sure. Where were we?

684
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 2: Now, let's get to a couple of texts. This is

685
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 2: from nine to five to two Guy Vikes reloaded built

686
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 2: to win. Now you must think thirteen and four last

687
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 2: year meant a guaranteed playoff spotimore this year doesn't look

688
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 2: like it so far, And it's not just a quarterback issue. No,

689
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 2: what what I'm saying I think what we're both saying

690
00:37:55,880 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 2: is that's how the Vikings viewed this team. They viewed

691
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 2: it as not a rebuilding year, but a reloading year

692
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 2: that they could do on the fly with a quarterback

693
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 2: with zero National Football League playing experience. Now they may

694
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 2: have overstated it, they may have gotten ahead of their skis,

695
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 2: but doesn't really matter what we think. The point of

696
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 2: the story is that's what they thought, and that's sort

697
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 2: of set up the central contradiction to the season, which is,

698
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 2: are you expecting too much from a quarterback who, you know,

699
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 2: like a lot of them, might need some time to develop,

700
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 2: might make some mistakes from time to time. Thanks for

701
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 2: discussing team expectations, which has been a missing piece of

702
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 2: this whole McCarthy conversation.

703
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: Makes it clear to me that you.

704
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 2: Have to go back to JJ in the Detroit game

705
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 2: and for the rest of the season, for better or

706
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 2: for worse, we'll have I expectations next year, presume me

707
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 2: for the years to follow. Vikings knew they would have

708
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 2: to sacrifice the sea and for his development at some point,

709
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 2: and if not, then they are delusional. Well it's an

710
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 2: interesting point. Now, that's two games from now. Let's say

711
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 2: the Vikings lose them both. What are we now three

712
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 2: and two, so we'd be three and four going into

713
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 2: the Detroit game. Yes, that's still not buried enough, I

714
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 2: think to give up on the season the way teams

715
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 2: think and the way coaches no think.

716
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: But you have a couple of home games exactly.

717
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 2: And again, but again, if it probably becomes a no

718
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 2: brainer if Wentz regresses right or if he is a

719
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 2: big part of the reason they lose both of them.

720
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 2: You know where the defense actually plays reasonably play and

721
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 2: you usally got nothing going offensively. So but I agree

722
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 2: with most of the Jackals who cover this team in

723
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 2: the daily basis that in all honesty, there are two

724
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 2: more games to play with here without it having to

725
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 2: turn into from a team standpoint, a boiling controversy. And

726
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 2: then at that that point, then you got then you

727
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 2: have something to discuss with a Detroit game, right, because

728
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 2: presumably there's at two more weeks, three more weeks that

729
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,439
Speaker 2: he's got that much more time to heal.

730
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 1: So we'll have to see where it goes, you know

731
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: what I'd like to see?

732
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 2: Yes, And I'm sure somebody can do this pretty easily,

733
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 2: someone better at photoshop than I am. I'd love a

734
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 2: side by side picture of Kevin O'Connell. Remember after the

735
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,479
Speaker 2: Vikings beat the Packers and Darnold was brilliant to set

736
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 2: up the game against the Lions for the division for

737
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:35,439
Speaker 2: the number one seat.

738
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 1: Remember when the.

739
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 2: Water was getting thrown on, Oh yeah, and Chaos was

740
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,479
Speaker 2: kind of looking back at somebody with that like proud face,

741
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 2: like can you believe this?

742
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: Can you believe the culture shield?

743
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 2: Like his face, just that KOs face has burned into

744
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 2: my brain, as does Darnald looked like he was, you know,

745
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 2: just beaming like there's a twelve year old being padded

746
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 2: on the head. I want to see that face juxtaposed

747
00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 2: to the face we saw yesterday when he was at

748
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 2: which quarterback was going to be on the practice field

749
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 2: or what the quarterbacks? Where the quarterback situation stood. So

750
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 2: I feel like it's almost like he's been president for

751
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 2: eight years, how much he's aged from the happy koc

752
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 2: Can you believe that everything we do just turns into

753
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 2: gold to this one now less than what what is

754
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 2: this nine months later? Can you argue this is actually

755
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 2: more real? I mean that this feels like, yeah, he's

756
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 2: worn down by it. For god, Yeah, you know. I

757
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 2: don't know, but you're right. It's a completely it's a

758
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 2: completely different It's the contrast could not be any more

759
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 2: stark than it is now. Again, let's be honest about this.

760
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 2: Vikings host the Eagles on Sunday. They go out there

761
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 2: and they blow the doors off the Eagles or they

762
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 2: just beat them. Yeah, but especially if they dominate, are

763
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 2: impressive everybody, you know, it'll relax everything pretty quickly, no

764
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 2: matter who is a quarterback, for God's sake, whether it's

765
00:41:55,280 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 2: your guy, whether it's JJ or pastronaut. Oh I think

766
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 2: I don't think we can get him back. No, No,

767
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 2: where is Pastorn? Is he still in San fran as

768
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 2: a third stringer?

769
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: Or is he out? I actually no, idea. Didn't we

770
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: play a team that had him? I thought we did.

771
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: I don't remember. We might have.

772
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not exactly sure. Yeah, I feel real

773
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 2: sorry for Glenn Taylor. Let's start to go fund of

774
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 2: me drive. You knew that was counting, of course, and

775
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 2: yeah it's stupid, but no, it's but it's imagine could

776
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 2: have had multiple more billions, yes, billions, and it's a

777
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 2: massive change. He's good, he's fine, Yeah, he's yeah, but

778
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 2: I just think his ego and his pride. He's not

779
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 2: gonna have to eat at Arby's no, which, by the way,

780
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 2: him and Swiss Lucky and the potato cakes. I'd be

781
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 2: fine if I was a billionaire. That's probably where i'd

782
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 2: eat me too, every day. Yep, I don't care large

783
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 2: cherry coke curly fries have gone downhills a little bit.

784
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: I've noticed him.

785
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 2: But anyway, Yeah, I'm with you. Well, I well, I'm

786
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 2: potato cake guy. They back again or I haven't been

787
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 2: back in a while. I haven't been back in a

788
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 2: while either, or fourth on those. But that's where you

789
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 2: still have Like the last big business deal of a

790
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 2: legendary career is going to be that one for Glenn Taylor,

791
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 2: where he left at least two maybe three billion on

792
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 2: the table.

793
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 1: That's not gonna sit well, No, it's not. No, I

794
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: wouldn't sit well with anybody.

795
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 2: No.

796
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: I mean again, he's.

797
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 2: Fine, But it's an interesting story.

798
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,280
Speaker 1: And we knew that. We kind of knew it all along.

799
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 2: Yeah that people kept saying, man, that's that price probably

800
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 2: is part of what's bugging him right now and his partners. Yes,

801
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 2: that's very true. I mean that is a lot realer

802
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 2: than his and I really believe that was part of

803
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 2: what made him say, well, if I can find a

804
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 2: way to get out of this thing, I'm gonna go

805
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 2: ahead and get out of that. In the fact that

806
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 2: the team was better, obviously that he you know, he

807
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 2: had suffered through a lot of stuff as well there,

808
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 2: So it's a combination of both those things.

809
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: All right, here's what we got the rest of the way.

810
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 2: We've got Alec Lewis at four forty seven on the Vikings,

811
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 2: and we have Lavelle moved up a day. He is

812
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,280
Speaker 2: at five point thirty today because as we're out early

813
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 2: at five o'clock and we want to find time for him.

814
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: He did. Lavelle did text us the surgery. This was it.

815
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 1: Tightrope surgery for exists.

816
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 2: He writes, I've never covered anyone who has had it,

817
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 2: so I don't know. Maybe that means it's controversial, maybe

818
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 2: it's experimental.

819
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 1: I've never even heard of the term. I have never

820
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: heard of.

821
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 2: It's kind of interesting, and he covered the twins in

822
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 2: that clubhouse, so it must make a think about it.

823
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, or we maybe we should have used it more

824
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: often than we did.

825
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 2: Possibly too, we may look back on this and say,

826
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 2: you know, if we had just committed McCarthy to the

827
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 2: tightrope surgery, we'd be on our way to the NFC

828
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,919
Speaker 2: North title. Think about it, back with the inbox that's

829
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 2: next year in the fan