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Speaker 1: Billy cunning him the Great America. Welcome this Tuesday afternon

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Speaker 1: the Triesteate. Great things are going on, I hope, and

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Speaker 1: I've done some copious research. When the Bengals went to

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Speaker 1: the super Bowl at the nine games, they were five

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Speaker 1: and four, went to the super Bowl. Right now they're

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Speaker 1: two and four. But if and when they beat the

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Speaker 1: Steelers on Thursday, there's three and four, then at home

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Speaker 1: against the Jester, four and four. Then the Bears at

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Speaker 1: home they're five and four with Joe Flacco leading the away.

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Speaker 2: With Ted McKay.

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Speaker 1: So if the Bengals are five and four, they're going

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Speaker 1: to the super Bowl because the Bills aren't that good

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Speaker 1: and Kansas City can be beaten, I think. But until then,

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Speaker 1: we have major problems in River City. And once again

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Speaker 1: there's massive shootouts on Fountain Square headline on Channel five

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Speaker 1: last night. Five people shot in less than eight hours

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Speaker 1: across Cincinnati Hambleton County, And of course Shari Poelo had

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Speaker 1: the story with the Power of five and Shari Poelo,

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Speaker 1: welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show. And first of all, Shari,

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you some fundamental questions. Are you

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Speaker 1: prepared for some questions I think so ten or fifteen

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Speaker 1: years ago. You might recall memories go back that long

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Speaker 1: that my wife was on Common Police Court bench and

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Speaker 1: she would receive messages at eight o'clock emails from the

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Speaker 1: Sheriff's office saying we're accepting no prisoners today, and every

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Speaker 1: Common Police Court judgementicipal court judge in Hemlinic County would

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Speaker 1: get an eight o'clock wake up call saying, don't sentence

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Speaker 1: anybody to the jail were packed, and so the next

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Speaker 1: day the same thing would go on.

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Speaker 2: The next day, the same thing would go on.

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Speaker 1: And so side Lease and Joe Deeters put together a

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Speaker 1: proposal for the voters to decide whether to build a

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Speaker 1: second Hamley County jail, to put another thousand beds in

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Speaker 1: Hamlty County because of the criminal activity that was going on,

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Speaker 1: and it was voted down fifty three to forty seven.

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Speaker 1: The people said, we don't want to, we don't want

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Speaker 1: to spend I don't know it was like eighty million

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Speaker 1: dollars to build a second Hemlic County jail. So the

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Speaker 1: resolution to that was quit arresting people. Here we are

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Speaker 1: ten to fifteen years later, and guess what, According to

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Speaker 1: Judge Josh Berkowitz, the presiding judge and heimin County Municipal Court.

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Speaker 1: There's four hundred empty beds in the Hammer County jail

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Speaker 1: as I speak, four hundred beds are empty. So you

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Speaker 1: can only imagine if we would have built another thousand

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Speaker 1: beds somewhere in Queensgate, we'd have fourteen hundred empty beds.

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Speaker 2: Now, the question is this, is there's so.

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Speaker 1: Little crime in the city of Cincinnati happening now that

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden the criminal element, which ages out

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Speaker 1: about the age of thirty, have quit committing crimes. That

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Speaker 1: somehow there's not shootouts, somehow there's not car breakings, somehow

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Speaker 1: there's not warns out for arrest. Suddenly, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: forty percent of the so called criminal populace, whoever they are,

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Speaker 1: have quit committing crimes. Or is it a case of

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Speaker 1: city police not arresting judges, no cash bonds, and a

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Speaker 1: permissive restorative justice attitude, Which is it shri palelo, as

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, we're now crime free in Cincinnati?

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Speaker 2: Is that what's going on?

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Speaker 3: Sadly, I think you and I both know the answer that,

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Speaker 3: and I remember what you're talking about. I remember sitting

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Speaker 3: in and interviewing Siweez about this issue and him wanting

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Speaker 3: to build another jail, and of course that's not popular

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Speaker 3: and glamorous. Nobody wants to spend you know, city and

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Speaker 3: county dollars on that. But of course that's not the case,

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Speaker 3: and we're seeing it night in and night out. You know,

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Speaker 3: I definitely think it's unfortunately become and we hear it

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Speaker 3: people who many of them, I can't tell you how

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Speaker 3: many times. Even the victims who we put on the

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Speaker 3: news who are shot and killed typically or stabbed to death,

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Speaker 3: the victims' pictures that we get are month shots because

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Speaker 3: they oftentimes are involved in criminal activity. And so unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: again we talk about, well, okay, do we need more

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Speaker 3: help out? Let me let me just for the people

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Speaker 3: who don't follow this as closely as you do, and

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Speaker 3: I do really, Let me just take people back in

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Speaker 3: the last week, six days ago, so a week ago today,

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Speaker 3: He was in a car, gotten some sort of argument.

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Speaker 3: He was shot right near Fountain Square, right there at Walnut.

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Speaker 3: This is during rush hour. People were literally running because

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Speaker 3: they're leaving work, walking around Fountain Square hearing gunshots and

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Speaker 3: Here we are a week later, last night, seven point

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Speaker 3: excuse me, there were two on Fountain Square, two more

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Speaker 3: the police were there. They responded immediately. In fact, thank goodness,

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Speaker 3: had a shooting in Westwood an hour earlier, one person died.

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Speaker 3: Still waiting on the information about the victims specifically right

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Speaker 3: now they're searching for a car that they think is

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Speaker 3: connected to Blue Tesla. Then they're late last night West End,

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Speaker 3: we have a guy arrives at Mercy Health along Queen City.

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Speaker 3: He was shot, expected to survive. So, just as you

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Speaker 3: said in the last in eight hours across the Hamilton

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Speaker 3: then we had the same thing happened nearby at Fountain

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Speaker 3: Square a week earlier. The chief is out there last night. She's,

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Speaker 3: of course saying all of the right things. We can't

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Speaker 3: tolerate this. We've got a statement from the mayor. I mean,

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Speaker 3: but again, here's what it is, Lilli, and you, I

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Speaker 3: be more of a deterrent. It's like when you parent kids.

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Speaker 3: And I remember years ago when I had one of

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Speaker 3: and you know, I would say, if you get in trouble.

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Speaker 3: then finally I dropped the hammer, right. I called every

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Speaker 3: this happened on my watch. It's my son's, you know, responsibility,

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Speaker 3: All of his friends were suddenly mad at him, alienated him.

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Speaker 3: We never had a problem again. But leading up to it,

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Speaker 3: I didn't want his friends to be mad at him.

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Speaker 3: I didn't want to be the bad guy, right, And

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Speaker 3: I liken it to what we're seeing right now. If

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Speaker 3: right now, by the way, and I don't know if

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Speaker 3: you've talked about this on your show. Back in I

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Speaker 3: think it was May the House passed a Repeat Offender Act.

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Speaker 3: It specifically in Ohio, targets people with prior violent felonies.

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Speaker 3: It would increase prison term for any violent offender who

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Speaker 3: has a gun after some sort of previous felony conviction. Well,

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Speaker 3: where is it. It's sitting in the Senate right now.

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Speaker 3: I mean that those are the people that you have

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Speaker 3: to send a message. Even if you are involved in

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Speaker 3: a violent crime that involves a gun, you're going to

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Speaker 3: go to prison. You're not going to sit in the

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Speaker 3: Hamilton County jail for one hundred and I don't know

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Speaker 3: eighty days, whatever it is. Because right now, these gun

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Speaker 3: to a felony. So that's the problem. I mean, we

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Speaker 1: In fact, the chiefs of police in Hamilty County got

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Speaker 1: together about a month ago and said, we can't stand

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Speaker 1: this anymore because we send people down in the justice center,

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Speaker 1: they're out on no cash bonds, they're out committing more crimes.

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Speaker 1: Before the paperwork is done, the criminal is out. Secondly,

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Speaker 1: the mayor about a month ago had a big powwow

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Speaker 1: the ATF, the US Marshal Service, Prosecutor's Office, sheriff for

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Speaker 1: everybody was there. We're going to bring in bringing the

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Speaker 1: our cops to do more serious policing. And immediately Mayor

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Speaker 1: iris Roli said that's not going to fly. She wasn't

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Speaker 1: present for it. Scottie Johnson wasn't present for it. Lemon

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Speaker 1: device mayor held news conferences saying we don't need these

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Speaker 1: agreement says two ships a month, and ken Kober says

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Speaker 1: they haven't arrived yet because the Mayor's not calling them

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Speaker 1: and Mayor iris Roly doesn't want it.

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Speaker 2: And so when there's no.

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Speaker 1: Recognition that we don't need outside help, we got this.

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Speaker 2: When they don't have this, where do you go with that?

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Speaker 3: Well, exactly, and honestly, that was a huge dog and

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Speaker 3: povie show. I think we all were like, Okay, this

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Speaker 3: to be partnering up with with the FEDS, with our

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Speaker 3: going to be apprehending violent offenders. We're talking about people

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Speaker 3: who are violating role post release. They're going to be

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Speaker 3: you know, watching by air aerial supervision. But to be

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Speaker 3: honest with you, Willie, then I heard when I looked

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Speaker 3: be it said quote no more than two times a month.

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Speaker 3: And as you said, I haven't heard of one time

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Speaker 3: us working with them. And we had this huge news

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Speaker 3: conference went on for well over an hour. It was,

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Speaker 3: you know, everybody and their brother was there talking about this,

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Speaker 3: how we're going to be walking together, working together. I've

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Speaker 3: yet to hear anything about that. And again, but if

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Speaker 3: you do that, the whole point of that was, Okay,

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Speaker 3: if we bring in the FED, if we actually start

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Speaker 3: charging some of these repeat offenders with federal charges instead

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Speaker 3: of just state and local charges, then we're really going

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Speaker 3: to lock them up and send them to prison. But

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Speaker 3: guess what, Really, this is such a broader issue. I've

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Speaker 3: done so many stories on even our prisons releasing these

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Speaker 3: violent by I'm talking murderers and repeat offenders, violent offenders.

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Speaker 3: We get money if we keep people here locally, so

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Speaker 3: if we don't send him to the state prison. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's such a cycle, an endless cycle, that we're not addressing.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's not only the mayor not having sufficient police resources.

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Speaker 1: It's not only the mayor not accepting state help. Not

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Speaker 1: only the mayor, the whole system. I look at Patrick

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Speaker 1: Blacks say he was released and then he butchers Patrick

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Speaker 2: I still have an explanation.

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Speaker 1: How you arrest Sarah Herringer, put her in handcuffs leader

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Speaker 2: And it's not just the.

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Speaker 1: It's the idea that Judge Kerry Bloom and Juvenile Court

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Speaker 1: Does that concern you? Macy's is gone, They have apartments

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Speaker 3: And I think Unfortunately a lot of people they don't

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Speaker 3: and I've said this before, Willie. Twenty three years ago

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Speaker 1: You know, one thing I've noticed, the convention Center is

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Speaker 1: But at this point, as of a week ago, I

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Speaker 1: To why is the hotel not coming out of the ground,

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Speaker 2: Is that a problem? That is a huge problem.

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Speaker 1: Get the the sarcees out and find out what the

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Speaker 3: Well, something has to be done, and you can't keep saying, okay,

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Speaker 2: Years, not not happy.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna take your chances. How it starts so young.

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Speaker 3: We see teenagers, I mean twelve, thirteen, fourteen year old,

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Speaker 1: Young, young and because they know the juvenile court system

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Speaker 2: Calvert, now call her.

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Speaker 1: Find out all right, thank you, thank you, Sari Pillow,

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