WEBVTT - EITM: Shambhala Music Festival 8/7/26 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:03.600 I don't expect that anybody is going to know the 0:00:03.800 --> 0:00:05.720 Shambala Music Festival. 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:07.280 I didn't know of it. 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:08.399 Where is it? 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:13.240 British Columbia, so west coast of Canada, and it. 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:16.840 Is a it is like it kind of gets described 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:20.560 as being between a rave and a music festival. 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:20.919 Right. 0:00:21.079 --> 0:00:22.080 Was it called Shambala? 0:00:22.120 --> 0:00:26.439 Shambala? I even hope I'm pronouncing it right, Shambala. But 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:29.600 it takes place in British Columbia and they do it 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:33.280 several days that it takes place, and it's about twenty 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:37.599 five thousand people that show up every year for the 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:43.479 Shambala Music Festival. Pictures make it look awesome. Pictures make 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:46.280 it look great. So can I read you part of 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:49.000 this thing that I was reading about? A group of 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:52.400 friends that they talked to were going to the festival. 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:58.600 They'd never been before. As the friend set up camp 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:02.080 among the twenty five thousand other visitors to the Shambala 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:07.560 Music Festival, they were approached by someone offering party favors drugs. 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:13.920 Right soon they received a men, thank you. 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:14.800 You don't know that term? 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:19.319 No, Kristen's busy, But would she have known what that was. 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:21.640 If I said, Hey, we're going to a music festival. 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:24.760 I brought some party favors. Would you think that I 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:30.120 brought like noisemakers? Seriously, you would think noise makers over drugs. 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:33.680 Maybe not noisemakers. But I didn't immediately go to drugs. 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:38.120 Oh oh, Kristen went from airplane bottles of liquor. 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:41.600 Okay, drugs. 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:46.320 So anyway, they were approached by someone offering party favors drugs. 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:51.320 Then they received a menu of illicit substances and their 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:55.840 prices via an en encrypted messaging app. 0:01:56.000 --> 0:01:56.920 Fine, I get all that. 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:00.920 The three of them and several other people that were 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:09.280 around them decided to purchase three things, LSD, ketamine and MDMA. 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:11.720 Okay, what's wrong? 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:13.280 I'm so nervous. 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:16.600 The wait, Tyler, you know you're not You didn't buy 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:19.200 any take them? Yeah, you're not doing it? 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:22.560 Yeah, I know, but it's like three things I'd be 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:26.880 worried about trying to illegally obtain one. 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:28.200 The yeah, no, But I mean. 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:33.600 So anyway, they paid four hundred dollars and they got 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:41.760 their whatever volume of LSD, ketamine and MDMA. Listen, if somebody, 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:43.880 if I was there and they were offering me party favors, 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:44.960 I ain't getting the LSD. 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:47.919 The other two I'd have to have a discussion about. 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:55.359 But anyway, here's the difference between Shambala and they point 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:59.040 out almost every other festival in Canada. 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:00.760 And I don't know that any exist. 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:03.880 As they said, they don't know that any exists in 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:04.840 the United States. 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:06.480 And I mean, think. 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:08.400 About We're just coming off of what was last weekend 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:17.160 was like Lollapalooza. What distinguishes Shambala is that anyone can 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:21.440 test the drugs that they've just purchased and get advice 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:24.840 on how to reduce the risk of using them at 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:26.639 an on site drug lab. 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:29.440 So this is like a sanctioned vendor. 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:35.320 No, No, the vendor isn't sanctioned. The person selling it. No, 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:39.520 that is not the sanctioned person. The lab is sanctioned. 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:41.200 Oh and it's on site. 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:43.400 The free drug. 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:46.200 Testing service is sanctioned by both the festival and the 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:52.560 Canadian government. Shambala's approach is one answer to a question 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:55.360 at the heart of the problem, what should be done 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:59.240 about a drug supply that is more contaminated, potent, and 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:02.280 unpredicted to bolder than any other time in history. 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:06.400 Now, listen, there are no shortage. 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:10.120 Of people who think This is a horrible idea that 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:13.880 you're essentially saying, go buy drug right. 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:19.120 Now. The festival people and the I. 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:22.279 Don't remember who the spokesperson was for the Canadian government 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:29.159 said listen, what we're we're just the focus of this 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:36.320 is harm reduction. We know, by the way, if you 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:39.080 go to if you go to Shambala's website, if you 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:42.080 go read about it, they'll tell you drugs aren't allowed. 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:44.719 There's no drugs that are allowed. 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:46.960 They know they're going to be there. Of course, Yeah, of. 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:51.320 Course, So can I sluck a busted for using using. 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:55.800 I put in R you're in a damn word. Welcome 0:04:55.839 --> 0:05:00.400 to marjoh on the darnold Oh that's right. The yeah, 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:03.000 I don't the answer is I'm I'm sure that answer 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:03.560 is yes. 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:04.800 I don't know that. 0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:09.200 But they do say drug use is illegal, drug use 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:13.240 is prohibited, and they know that. But you know the 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:15.760 other thing, they know people are going to do drugs 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:16.560 at the festival. 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:20.320 I'm looking at photos. You would be in your element. 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:25.880 Oh there these are my people, for sure. But listen, 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:33.240 like you could say that about any festival people are 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:34.560 going to what's wrong? 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:35.600 I'm looking at the pictures? 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:39.400 Oh do you see me in there. Ye, people are 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:44.200 going to do drugs. I mean it's going to happen. 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:46.880 Do drugs, not use drugs. 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:51.000 But that that's not me. No, no, But but that's 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:55.000 not me saying like, hey, if you're going to the festival, 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:59.560 you should do it. That's everybody's own choice whether they're 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:01.599 going to do it or not, and not just the 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:05.559 choice of whether they're going to use, but it's also 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:07.799 their choice of whether they're going to take the risk 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:14.240 knowing it's illegal. And that's where Shambala says, we can, 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:18.640 we can post everywhere we want, but unless you there 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:24.000 it is it is impossible for us to eliminate all 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:28.279 drugs from the festival. We wish we could, but we 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:34.240 also know we can't. Number one. Number two, We also 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:40.920 wish that people were not lacing drugs. We wish there 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:48.760 wasn't a massive fentanyl problem. We wish everything was as advertised, 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:52.560 but it's not. So if we could focus on and 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:55.120 this is where some people get caught, is they're like, 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:59.839 don't don't, don't waste my time with harm reduction, figure 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:04.559 out a way to prevent it. And they've all said, 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:08.240 I wish we could. I wish we could find a 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:11.280 way to do it. So they have these this this 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:12.440 lab set up. 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:19.720 I'm looking for I lost my place. Oh, here we go. 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:23.520 They talk about it's an on site drug lab, a 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:27.080 free drug testing service sanctioned by the festival and the government. 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:33.120 Last year, seven percent of the five thousand samples tested 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:38.320 at Shambala contained something unexpected. Hundreds of people every year 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:42.520 at Shambala need medical attention for drug related problems. In 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:46.600 twenty seven years, there's been four deaths. Two were drug related, 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:51.080 including a cocaine overdose in twenty twenty four. One approach 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:53.520 favors tougher law enforcement. 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:58.080 Which, by the way, everybody wishes nobody would, nobody would overdose, 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:02.560 nobody would nobody would have a drug that's laced with 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:04.040 something that they weren't expecting. 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:11.240 Like everybody wishes for that. We accept the dangerous realities 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:14.560 of drug use and trying to reduce the risks. And 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:17.920 they said the Festival Code of Conduct prohibits illegal substances, 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:22.640 but the organizers know people are going to use drugs anyway. 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:28.120 The Festival's chief executive officers said he saw no contradiction here. 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:34.040 Harm reduction isn't about approving of drug use. It's just 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:36.280 making sure that if people want to be safe with 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:38.680 their drug use, will help them. 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:41.319 So when you go into like one of these little labs. 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:44.000 So I saw the thing set up, don't think of 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:47.120 a doctor's office. The one woman that I saw is 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:49.840 wearing a bikini top. But I don't want to minimize 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:51.840 that either. She knows what she's doing. 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:53.000 Yeah, it is a festival. 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:56.160 Yeah, and she's going to be out there for four days. Also, 0:08:56.840 --> 0:08:58.640 So not only will they test. 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:02.480 Whatever you bought, so they'll test anything. Yes, as far 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:05.559 as I know, no drug or substance off limits. 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:09.000 As far as I listen, I know they're testing LSD. 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:11.120 Yeah, we bought it. 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:14.760 The now here we Go had a boy, had a 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:18.760 boy the no no, So like we know we know 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:21.960 they're testing LSD, we know they're testing ketamine. We know 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:26.679 they're testing molly. We know that they're testing cocaine. So 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:32.439 what I can't imagine what would be off limits? And 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:36.840 while they're testing it, they are also talking to people 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:40.839 and saying, listen, do you have experience with this? 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:42.679 Like have you been? 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:45.760 And so these the friends, these these friends that purchased 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:50.040 the ketamine told the person never done it, and the 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:53.240 woman that they went to see walked them through what 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:56.960 the expectation should be so that it's not a case 0:09:57.000 --> 0:09:59.640 of you hear this with gummies all the time. Somebody 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:02.600 who's just trying gummies early on where it's like, hey, 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:05.280 I tried it. It's been ten minutes, I don't I 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:07.600 don't feel anything, and next thing you know, they eat 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:11.240 a handful and an hour later they they don't even 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:14.920 they can't even see their bodies. So they're like, listen, 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:17.160 this is going to take a little bit. 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:21.680 Do some people get the explanation and decide not to consume? 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:26.520 They say do do do do they consume? They say no, 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:27.280 they say yes. 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:29.520 Now some people, some people, some people will get and 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:32.000 go like you know what that is not wasn't expecting 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:38.400 that that's not for me. They also said that there 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:40.040 are some people that will. 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:41.520 Oh. 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:44.679 The other thing that you could get is almost like dispensers, 0:10:45.960 --> 0:10:48.160 so that if you if you were going to do cocaine, 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:52.320 that they'll offer a couple of things a smaller like 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:54.400 a way to say like I'm only going to do 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:55.200 a small amount. 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:57.239 Look at the line clean straws. 0:10:57.440 --> 0:11:01.280 If you're gonna snort the sign here, yeah, and there 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:01.960 are there are. 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:04.120 Some people there, and listen, I get it. There's some 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:08.079 people who are very against this, and I may be 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:09.160 on the wrong side. 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:12.320 I think it's genius. I really do. 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:12.560 So. 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:14.600 Is the food dye for snorting? 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:15.360 What? 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:16.079 I'm sorry? 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:20.120 What it says for the harm reduction supplies that you 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:24.800 can get next to the testing tent, ear plugs okay, oh, 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:31.720 I'm just in line, ear plugs, condoms, lube, dental dams, 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:37.680 syringe barrels, shirt dosage, oh, food dye for GHB marking, 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:42.439 straws for safer snorting right, and nasal spray bottles. 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:44.520 So I believe. 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:48.120 I believe like you understand the syringe thing, you understand 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:52.720 the straws thing bottles for for snorty, I get that. 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:55.600 The only thing I can think of is is the 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:56.600 is the food? 0:11:57.080 --> 0:11:57.120 What? 0:11:57.280 --> 0:11:58.360 What is it? What did you say? 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:00.600 What food die for gh marking? 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:03.440 Is that to be able to like test with like 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:05.640 almost like a what is that called the litmus test? 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:10.040 Is that to be able to test myself? I don't know. Users. 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:15.400 That's written Users is written add distinctive food coloring to 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:19.000 personal supply so it is visibly distinct from water or 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:21.880 clear mixers. Preventing accidental ingestion. 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:26.199 So it's it's a do it yourself test kit, or 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:31.959 if I'm dealing, I can also show look my stuff's clean. 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:34.680 Yeah, I don't think it's testing anything. It's just it's 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:35.240 to label. 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:40.000 Oh, okay, there you go, perfect. I like it. 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:45.000 A pair of your plugs please, it's very loud. 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:48.520 Am I am I wrong? I think this is genius. 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:52.160 And again I understand where people would say. 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:54.760 Stupid is. 0:12:57.760 --> 0:13:03.840 Do they put any numbers, uh to how many people 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:09.319 maybe come to this festival with no intent. 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:13.760 Of partaking and then end up doing And then I 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:15.880 don't know what those numbers are. I don't know what 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:18.439 those numbers are. But here's what I could promise you. 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:22.360 That happens at every festival. Yeah that's true, that happens 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:23.480 at every festival. 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:27.560 But you just may feel more comfortable here with all 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:28.960 of these levels of protection. 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:30.960 But if you were going to be I wasn't going 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:33.440 to do anything. But now I am. Yeah, oh one 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:36.280 hundred percent, one hundred percent. 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:39.520 Let's get caught up in the atmosphere and right you. 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:41.600 Can show up look at the river that runs through 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:42.680 the festival grounds. 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:45.920 Yeah, look at Elliott there. I am the no. 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:48.720 No, But but like think about it, I would never 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:54.400 I would never pick a festival, pick any festival. I 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:57.880 wouldn't show up in Chicago and go to Lallapaloo's and go, hey, 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:02.600 you know what, here's something I've never done before snort 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:06.199 cocaine this weekend. But I can promise you there's somebody 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:09.920 who did. Somebody showed up at Lollapalooza this weekend who's 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:13.920 never done, who's never done cocaine before, and was like 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:16.720 and started getting into it and was going to do it. 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:22.480 Wouldn't you rather be able to test it? I would? 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:28.080 No, You're definitely right. I can't say if I can't 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:31.440 say that's the mindset of everybody. But if it was me, yes. 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:37.040 If it was me, yes, I would almost look at 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:38.560 it and go, why wouldn't I test it? If I 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:41.720 just bought it from somebody and there's no way, and 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:45.880 especially especially as times have changed, There was a time. 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:51.000 There was a time and maybe maybe it's twofold, maybe 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:53.760 it was just young and dumb where. 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:55.600 I didn't care. 0:14:57.360 --> 0:15:00.960 The idea of getting something tested never crossed mind, and 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:04.200 the idea that it was going to be laced with 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:06.240 something never crossed my mind. 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:09.440 So maybe that's just young and dumb. 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:18.640 But also back then it wasn't as big as a 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:24.960 problem of everything getting laced yeah yeah, and everything being 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:29.200 either more potent than it's advertised, cut with so many 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:34.200 different things. So it wasn't It wasn't as it didn't 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:37.240 happen as often, or it certainly wasn't known about as often. 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:40.560 So maybe it's a combination of the two. 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:45.120 But if I rolled into Lollapalooza last weekend it was like, hey, 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:46.440 you know what, why not? 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:49.880 And I had the the it would scare me, It 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:50.840 really would. 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:55.320 Garth writes. I don't know if this is true or not, 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:59.120 but Garth says the ear plug is can we pre 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:02.960 for psychedelics that make you hypersensitive? 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:06.880 Oh? To sounds? Oh that's a good at a very 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:07.880 loud festival. 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:19.480 I would believe. 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:30.479 That range Is this all about the festival? 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:31.920 Now? 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:35.000 I think this the song predates the festival? 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:40.920 Right? So isn't isn't Shambala? Isn't it like any Maybe 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:43.000 a Buddhist or not? 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:48.560 Probably misreligion did do not? 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:49.040 Oh? 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:49.440 It is it? 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:52.400 A mythical hidden kingdom in Tibetan Buddhist tradition. 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:56.640 Okay, you know we've. 0:16:56.520 --> 0:17:02.560 Had a twenty minute discussion a drugs. Oh god, I 0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:04.760 don't want to lose my woke status. 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:06.760 Wait, so am I? Am I pronouncing it wrong? It's 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:08.480 not shambalad sham bealag. 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:10.119 That's how Three Dog Nights said it. 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:13.600 All right, I believe Jimmy Greenspoon. Yep, I believe Jimmy 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:15.119 Greenspoon probably did some drugs. 0:17:15.119 --> 0:17:16.240 Oh, he would support this. 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:21.520 Where am I going? Kristen Line one, Hi Joy. 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:21.840 At the morning? 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:25.159 Hello? Who's this? 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:25.720 Hey? 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:28.479 Yes, this is Elliot. Who's this? 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:30.040 This is? This is Matt and Burke. 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:31.600 Yes, sir. What can I do for you? 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:32.560 Oh? 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:34.359 Nothing? I was just calling in to talk to you 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:37.359 about testing drugs. Dance Safe has been around since nineteen 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:40.679 ninety eight testing drugs. I tested some in Detroit in 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:42.680 twenty thirteen at the Movement Festival. 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:45.840 Okay, so back up for a second. What the what 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:47.640 what did what company? Did you say? 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:51.360 It's a nonprofit called Dance Safe. They've been around since 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:54.000 about nineteen ninety eight. I've been into the rave culture 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:56.399 in DC since about the mid nineties, and like I 0:17:56.440 --> 0:18:00.159 helped promote for buzz and stuff like testing drugs has 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:02.639 been around for a while actually for the exact reasons 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:03.040 you said. 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:06.080 But is this is this a case where so like 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:08.960 Dance Safe, like you said, like you got something tested 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:11.160 in Detroit or whatever it was. 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:13.760 They would show up and listen. I think it's great. 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:18.280 Is the difference between that and then the Shambala festival 0:18:18.760 --> 0:18:22.160 is that this one is like for Shambala, it's it's 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:26.479 sanctioned through the festival and the government with Dance Safe, 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:28.920 just just like I don't want to say a bunch 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:31.359 of volunteers showing up trying to do a good thing, 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:33.879 but where the festival is saying no, no, no, we are 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:35.160 going to offer this. 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:38.760 Yeah, yeah, no, You're absolutely correct. I think because in 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:41.520 British Columbia they're a little bit more open about use 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:43.800 and stuff that they actually want to make it safe. 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:46.280 Here in the US, we passed the RAVAC, so it's 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:50.080 really hard for like promoters and organizers to help people 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:52.879 facilitate their fun is the best way I can put it. 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:57.040 Any Way, you associate or help somebody get a illegal 0:18:57.080 --> 0:19:00.000 substance at a festival or a club, now you're associated 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:03.760 by guilt in America. So I'm assuming the British Columbia government, 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:06.520 who is pretty open with drug use and things like that, 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:09.399 want to make the festival and dancing a little safer. 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:11.560 So right, well, and that kind. 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:13.320 Of goes back to what they're saying that, like nobody 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:17.600 at the festival is encouraging anybody to do drugs, and 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:20.720 they are saying it's it's it is illegal, like you, 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:23.520 you are not to do that. But we're also not 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:25.280 going to put our head in the sand and pretend 0:19:25.280 --> 0:19:27.320 that it doesn't exist and it's not going on. 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:31.919 Truly absolutely correct, because there's somebody that's been partying, raving 0:19:32.040 --> 0:19:35.440 and just partied last weekend at Bertha to see DC. 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:38.080 It still happens to this day in twenty twenty six. 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:40.359 It's no different than it was thirty years ago, So 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:42.399 why don't we make it safe? Why don't we make 0:19:42.400 --> 0:19:43.119 it accessible? 0:19:43.440 --> 0:19:45.280 And the other thing, the other thing that I don't 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:45.800 want to do. 0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:47.840 And I understand that you're part of the rave culture, 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:50.399 right and that's fine, No, No, I have no problem 0:19:50.480 --> 0:19:50.760 with that. 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:53.240 I just the other thing that I would say is 0:19:53.280 --> 0:19:53.960 I don't want it. 0:19:54.160 --> 0:19:56.960 I don't want this this program, if you will, or 0:19:57.000 --> 0:19:59.919 whatever you call it, to just be associated with the 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:04.399 a rave scene or a rave festival, because absolutely, it 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:08.880 doesn't just happen at rave festivals in the Resolutely, it's 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:09.840 everywhere you. 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:10.240 Could go to. 0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:14.639 Absolutely, you can go to a country festival, a rock festival. 0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:15.560 I don't care. 0:20:15.680 --> 0:20:18.920 I can promise you it's all being done. 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:23.040 Absolutely, I completely agree with you there, there's not there's 0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:25.159 there's not an instant that people aren't trying to have 0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:26.760 a good time, So why don't we try and make 0:20:26.800 --> 0:20:28.359 it as safe as possible for people? 0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:29.640 But I do like. 0:20:29.640 --> 0:20:33.359 That, and listen, I do, even though I don't agree 0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:38.840 with the view of being against it, I understand their point. 0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:39.800 I really do. 0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:42.320 So it's not like I'm saying, like, oh, they're stupid 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:46.639 and they're dumb. I understand their point. I would just 0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:48.280 I would just rather go this way. 0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:48.639 I like. 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:52.560 I like them saying that that whole harm reduction angle, 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:53.600 I really do. 0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:56.840 I agree with you completely right there, Elliott. The harm 0:20:56.880 --> 0:20:59.800 reduction is what it is is. I completely agree to 0:20:59.920 --> 0:21:01.960 I understand their point of view. You know, nobody wants 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:04.840 drunk drivers, but we need a program to reduce the 0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:06.600 harm because we know people are going to go out 0:21:06.600 --> 0:21:09.760 and drink. Right, It's the same principle with drugs, So yeah, 0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:11.000 I agree with you completely. 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:12.560 All right, did you all see the rave? 0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:13.840 All right? 0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:16.200 Yeah, I'll see you there. Have a great day class. 0:21:15.920 --> 0:21:16.520 Later, dude. 0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:20.119 Yes, Tyler from Instagram. The last festival I went to, 0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:27.520 there were party favorite dealers but also former drug dealers 0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:33.000 who were selling fentanyl testers. So I guess the strips right, 0:21:33.160 --> 0:21:37.920 two people at the At the festival, they also had 0:21:38.000 --> 0:21:43.160 some sort of lab where you could get items tested 0:21:43.240 --> 0:21:47.520 on site. This is better, I guess, back in my 0:21:47.720 --> 0:21:50.280 day than where the only form of testing was them 0:21:50.320 --> 0:21:53.640 giving you a sample. Right there as a small bumper 0:21:53.680 --> 0:21:54.560 line of coke. 0:21:55.840 --> 0:22:00.119 Which, by the way, we were always warned against. We 0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:01.640 were always warned against that. 0:22:04.440 --> 0:22:06.520 What the taste tests. 0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:09.160